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maiden sierra
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full flag

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tidal sierra
devout cedar
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this is asgard in 2012

iron maple
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oof

old dawn
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💀

iron maple
iron maple
marsh timber
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vanaheimer

devout cedar
fallow citrus
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Is there going to be Midgard?

iron maple
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Ye

devout cedar
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average asgardian

iron maple
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lie

marsh timber
marsh timber
iron maple
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:)

iron maple
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❤️

oak lark
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Hey

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Did somebody die close to the factory building in Imperia?

urban nexus
oak lark
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no

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i mean if somebody die

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died

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items were dropped

fallow crypt
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they really named it ASS GUARD

maiden sierra
urban nexus
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idk what I read when I typed that

oak lark
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guys

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I'm trying to say I found lots of diamonds, exp, iron on the floor in Asgard

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Inside the factory building

maiden sierra
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Uh

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I'll ask them to check snitches

dim arch
maiden sierra
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can confirm i am a red bird

oak lark
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Xd

iron maple
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oop

ornate pewter
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why is there nothing in the discord

maiden sierra
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Bump

iron maple
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o

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shocking

iron maple
ornate pewter
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i have rejoined the discord

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@iron maple

iron maple
ornate pewter
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hi

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i joined asgard discord

kind valley
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Very strong nation

fallow citrus
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Ragnarok always comes eventually

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Anyways

iron maple
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Based

cinder rock
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(1.8 pvp)

dim arch
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@cinder rock why are you not pvping for cupar...

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explain yourself

cinder rock
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self respect and a lack of brain damage

maiden sierra
devout cedar
marsh timber
tidal sierra
kind valley
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Just thought it’d be more convenient for the log on clickers to find you

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Clearly paying chosen Dick loads of obby wasn’t sufficient if you still have to look

tidal sierra
maiden sierra
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I gave chosen obby!!!

tidal sierra
pallid flicker
fallow citrus
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Epic

valid kindle
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1.8 pvp

slow patrol
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why is it a bad thing?

valid kindle
slow patrol
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I mean I don't really see the cringe tbh

valid kindle
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I see through the lens of 1.8 pvp

slow patrol
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I guess

kind valley
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the part that's cringe is recruiting people literally just to click in a war for you rather than actually making a nation that people want to be part of and defend

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it's all a tad irrelevant because assguard is pretty much wholly dead

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haven't seen anyone who's actually part of it on in forever

slow patrol
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Militaries hire private defense contractors, it's the same principle

slow patrol
kind valley
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sure, but those nations that do are usually rather condemned for it in real life, are they not?

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is anyone a big fan of wagner that isn't a copium-sniffing russophile?

slow patrol
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They are, but that doesn't necessarily stop them

kind valley
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of course not

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it doesn't necessarily stop anybody from doing anything, it's just also going to get clowned on to shit

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part of int'l politics, you can do whatever you want to the extent of whether or not people find it far enough to go and stop you

slow patrol
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I guess the way we look at it is rather subjective at the end of the day

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In war there is no right or wrong, just whoever has the most resources

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And if you have enough, then you're pretty much allowed to do anything because it gets overlooked. When smaller nations do it, they're put on the spotlight more frequently because it "pops" out in a sense.

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I'm getting too deep with this

next matrix
kind valley
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well naturally

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i'll give the new IF credit because they actually do seem to give quite a fuck

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the old IF is operating like the original IF, drag newfriends to the middle of fucking nowhere and then do nothing and let them live in poverty

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i wish new IF picked a different name so the whole baggage of the IF died but that's unfortunately never how civ works

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legacy groups tend to retain names

next matrix
kind valley
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new IF being the current one that exists

next matrix
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Got it. At the end of the day ''New IF'' is basically old IF without some of the leaders, like Cupar, who decided to leave to create asgard.

It retained the goal the IF initially was created for : a chill place for everyone to play regardless of their playstyle.

slow patrol
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Damn, I was reading the lore and Asgard did not last at all

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Shouldn’t have picked a fight with IF

slow patrol
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They moved too quick to action, and since they were low on soldiers and supplies compared to IF, they had to get people from the outside.

kind valley
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they're also the kind of people who just buy rather than develop

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like hassdamahn, big inactive figure in asgard, was providing resources to the butternut/lambeau group with his scrooge mcduck-esque diamond wealth and buying them war mats

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he did this so that if he ever needed a bunch of bored clickhungry teenagers he knew they would do it

slow patrol
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Did it function like a banana republic?

kind valley
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butternut/lambeau are not exactly the most liked nations on the server (largely because they killed 3 whole nations and crippled 2 more, and now exist to extract wealth from icenia in concessions) so hass's relationship with them makes him cringe as well

slow patrol
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Jeez

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That’s bad

kind valley
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also butternut and lambeau went inactive because there was no more coolpvp so everyone saw them for what they were

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clickers that wanted to click

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and asgard is pretty inextricably tied to that

slow patrol
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I’m new af to CivMC politics

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Well

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CivMC in general

next matrix
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Basically, as a short timeline (though a totally biased timeline, since I am not from asgard, so don't think this is 100% facts, rather my personnal view on that timeline) :

The founder of the IF, who was also chancellor, and a former chancellor both decided to leave, taking with them the two most active state in the Imperial federation. They were controlling a vast majority of all the institutions of the Imperial Federation, and could basically make anything they wanted.

When they left, they took with them many things that were not entirely theirs. One of the state that they left with, Imperia, was the former capital of the Imperial Federation, and they also tried and leave with most of the exp infrastructure, that were not developped by them.

After that, they didn't do much. I went many time to see if there was any progress : The former very active capital, that I helped build and design, completly stopped building. The Olympics that were planned didn't happen, the defensive infrastructure that were actively getting built didn't progress an inch. The only remarkable thing they did was try and recruit some outside players to prepare for a war that everyone kind of assume it was the IF, the nation they left.

I need to say that the IF has always been recognized as a very peacefull nation. It's lost in the middle of nowehere, barely has any clickers, and has always kept to himself and avoided any sort of drama. I think it's generally considered a dick move in the community to attack the IF or plan a war agains't them since it's always been a place for newfriend and players looking to play very chill.

When they left, a few weeks after some players who left with them decided to leave and form their own nation in the very north of the map. Since then, they have been completly inactive. The few players that actually made the nation active left, and it's basically just their inactive leaders who caused the chaos that are left.

A lot of drama, for nothing.

kind valley
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it takes a bit to get all the nuances but this is why newfriends are always pushed to join a nation

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a lot of people think "hey what if i start my own thing" and understand zilch about what they're doing

slow patrol
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I’m joining Volterra 😉

kind valley
slow patrol
kind valley
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like cupar's voter fraud, the push for a bunch of inactive nations to be looted but also maintain senate seats (that tended to vote to keep things the same, the fuck did they care they were dead), constant border expansion, etc etc

next matrix
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Some of their reasons were : The government is corrupt, nothing can be achieved, etc.
But the people who left were litteraly being criticized before leaving for basically creating a dictatorship in the Imperial Federation from how much changes with little to not consultation were being made. They basically created the corrupt government, cheating votes etc.

slow patrol
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That’s so scummy

kind valley
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you're in good hands with volterra

next matrix
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Often, when people are saying that it's cringe, it's not about one specific thing or reddit post. There is a big context, and that context is important.

slow patrol
slow patrol
next matrix
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In this situation : The reddit post was made by people who left their old nation, that they created and nurtured, after causing chaos in it, before trying to get pvpers to go and destroy what was left of that old nation.

slow patrol
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I see, so they were trying to get pity points

next matrix
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And that's a very small summary, because the individuals involved have a lot more to their name than just this situation. As @kind valley said, there history of supporting toxic nations financially, welcoming shitters in their nation etc.

next matrix
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Everyone ended up seeing through their bullshit though

slow patrol
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Well that’s good

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But I mean, thinking as someone who has no experience with this server, who tries to overtake a capital city from a well established nation and expect being untouched?

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There comes a point when it catches up to you

next matrix
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Well the reason why it worked it's because they were the former leaders who rule over that nation for months. They had all the access and the groups, so even if people would say no not a lot could be done.

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So yeah they got bad reputation but at the end of the day, the capital (Imperia), even if someone wanted to continue the project, they couldn't. They have the groups and there is nothing that can be done about it.

kind valley
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you'll quickly find that group ownership is practically nation ownership

slow patrol
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Nepotism sucks

kind valley
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well part of civ is actions having consequences

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trusting someone is indeed an action

next matrix
kind valley
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it's a shame but honestly for the best

slow patrol
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Imperia will soon try to draft a motion to become an independent state or territory at some point if this is the case.

kind valley
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cupar/hass's IF was a shit IF

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better to start fresh

kind valley
next matrix
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And even if it did, they own the groups.

slow patrol
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So it’s a ghost town

kind valley
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best you can do is pearl him and hold him til he transfers groups, but like

next matrix
kind valley
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irrelevant to someone who doesn't play

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exactly

next matrix
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''Lol waste your player essence''

kind valley
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go figure, guy who loves dead shitter nations shows up

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surprised you have time to be here with so much going on in kallos arnen genso oh that's right

next matrix
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Is the server still active ? I played in Rivia after leaving the IF but it died

kind valley
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"imagine playing in a server instead of hanging around in a discord for that server lmao"

next matrix
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I haven't been on in a month and a half personnaly. Law school is killing me.

kind valley
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yes the server's still active

next matrix
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Nice. If you need to summarize the server in 3 sentence, what would you say?

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It's tense rn? Chill? Best nation to play in right now (excluding nara to remove bias) ?

slow patrol
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Dope to see a law student here

next matrix
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I am in my second year.

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Are you in the US or another country?

slow patrol
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Nice!

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US

next matrix
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Ouff, rough. Good luck ahaha!

slow patrol
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EVERYONE KEEPS TELLING ME THAT! 😂

next matrix
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I am doing a dual law degree because my situation is weird. I am doing a JD but also a LL.L. Basically I live somewhere weird where it's both Common law and a french civil law system, depending on which field of law. Private law (Family, contracts, torts etc.) are french civil law and public law (constitutionnal law, criminal, etc.) are common law.

So to practice where I live you need to litteraly have 2 degrees woop woop

valid kindle
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I can confirm I am still obsessed

next matrix
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And I hate every single JD class I have x)

slow patrol
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That’s insane, what type of law are you going for?

next matrix
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Employment and labor law is really interesting, or Constitutionnal law.

slow patrol
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OMG

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im thinking the same thing

next matrix
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I am a research assistant for a prof that does comparative constitutionnal law (Canada, Uk and US mainly) and I find it so interesting. There just isn't too much actual lawyer jobs in constitutionnal law. I might go for a master and just be a prof at some point lol

slow patrol
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What about con law do you find interesting?

next matrix
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I love how government institutions work and are regulated. In Canadian & Uk constitutionnal law more specifically, I love how there sort of 2 differerent constitution. On one end, there what is written, and on the other end, there's what is actually happening.

In the constitutionnal text, the monarchy has so much power. In reality, the king could never use those powers.

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I'm a bit nerdy, most people roll their eyes ahaha

slow patrol
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I mean it is interesting and it also makes sense why you’re in CivMC

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It’s probably the same reason i’m here

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To me it’s just fascinating that people create forms of govt on here with regulations, borders, trade, and constitutions or lack thereof. It’s interesting how these systems play out with each other.

next matrix
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At some point I was gonna make a law research institute in CivMC, as well as a small law firm to offer people services to help writing good constitutions and such.

I then thought It was really a dumb idea and would be a waste of my time.

slow patrol
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I don’t think it would be dumb

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I think it would be extremely helpful

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You could give personal and valid insights to governments and they would listen to you

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You could set up shop with a nation of your choosing and from there start getting your name out there

slow patrol
next matrix
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@slow patrol let's move to #general

slow patrol
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For sure

flint onyx
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FIRST two weeks after their independence ^^

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that's all I know from what I saw tho

urban nexus
flint onyx
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(1.8 pvp)

next matrix
urban nexus
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yeah but we wouldn't really have needed to recruit at all if we did want to go to war with IF lol

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so its just silly imo

next matrix
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And while I trust the judgement of many people including yourself, it was normal back then to assume that there was a war being prepared on asgard's side.
At the end of the day though the rest of the timeline remains : Asgard left the IF, then became a notorious exemple of an inactive nation on CivMC, creating a whole bunch of drama for what was essentially less than a month of actual gameplay in Asgard

urban nexus
slow patrol
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When you consider how Asgard was formed, there's already an implication of conflict against the IF. Otherwise, the post wouldn't have been made.

flint onyx
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except this whole secession is completely bloodless

slow patrol
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While I understand that there wasn't any blood spilled during the actual secession itself, by dividing the people of Imperia from the IF you essentially breach a contract of trust between the nation and yourself.

next matrix
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How much progress was made in Imperia ? or in the gigantic vault hole that was being dug out? On defensive infrastructure in vanaheim? I haven't seen much. It's easy to see that a lot of the individuals who were part of the IF, including colton and potato for exemple, who worked a lot on these projects, alongside with people who left for asgard.

The only portion of Iceroad between vanaheim and mainland IF being finished... was done by me, surprisingly. The rest is just ice and trapdoors, with no obby, which is an obvious exemple of inactivity.

slow patrol
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That's how civil wars start

flint onyx
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yea

urban nexus
flint onyx
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while it is sad to see asgard being dead so soon, I feel like it's a curse for every IF seceders

next matrix
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Yeah, so I maintain my opinion that all of that was a big powertrip of cupar and hass.

flint onyx
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CCTT? dead after being released from the IF

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NA, we never heard of 'em much since the day they rejoined CW

next matrix
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The IF is a curse in itself lol

urban nexus
flint onyx
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idk much about grenada, surmadri, and vermont but don't really heard much from em

next matrix
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They were pretty inactive before the whole drama tbh

flint onyx
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barely heard anything from southseasia

next matrix
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Grenada has always been only Sankara or almost

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Surmadri only blu

flint onyx
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oh true

flint onyx
next matrix
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Well, maybe on paper

flint onyx
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Laitin, blu, and 1 dude I forgot played

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but then I never seen laitin since the crisis

slow patrol
flint onyx
urban nexus
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I'm just saying part of what I was told is they wanted a fresh start as a separate nation from IF, none of this was part of a scheme to go to war with people and they did have plans to continue playing post secession. That's pretty much impossible though because Asgard was right on the front lawn of IF and there was too much infra to leave behind lol

flint onyx
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the infras in deluvia continent is just so much stuff to manage lol, the IF basically monopolized all of them

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sometimes I wish civ have some kind of claim system so we don't have to reinforce each block under a namelayer owned by someone who won't be on forever

slow patrol
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What does infra mean?

flint onyx
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short name for infrastructure

slow patrol
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Got you, appreciate it

flint onyx
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np

slow patrol
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I didn't know lore could go so deep on a mc server

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I am actually really impressed

flint onyx
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oh trust me, the lores you saw here is just on CivMC. There are so much more stories and lores all way back in CivCraft, a 2012 server

slow patrol
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Jeez, well honestly I would be satisfied dedicating myself to reading up on this and solidify myself as a historian

flint onyx
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there are so many civ-related servers so I'll say this main timeline to where we got to civmc directly:
Ancap Minecraft (2011) -> CivCraft (2012-2016) -> Devoted (2015-now as a pvp practice server) -> CivClassics (2016-2021) -> CivRealms (2019-2021) -> CivMC (2022-now)

https://civwiki.org/ is where you'll learn lot of stuff, it have almost 2k articles over there

slow patrol
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"Ancap Minecraft" sounds like a disaster

flint onyx
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it was a lot different than any of the civ

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not even remotely close to civ

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but it ran by same founder who founded civ genre and civcraft

slow patrol
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I'll definitely start from the beginning, I appreciate this

flint onyx
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you're welcome, feel free to contact TheJmqn as he know more about civ history than I do

slow patrol
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Got you

valid kindle
# slow patrol I think it is also an unfortunate precedent, there could be legal processes invo...

its difficult to do that because of how the system is set up, basically one person will always have 'primary' on a group, which is what gives them access / permission to the builds, and that person can't be deposed in any way aside from someone with lower permissions going and manually changing over each block to another group, which is difficult or impossible for larger builds / groups that span over many builds

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The reason asgard was able to pull so much stuff with them was because (iirc) cupar had primary on the capital and was able to just kick everyone else off the group

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despite secession being illegal, it didn't really matter because they had no more control over the blocks then if it was a completely foreign city

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I could be wrong on the specifics of how the session went down im an outside observer on the whole IF thing

slow patrol
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So the "primary" has immunity

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@valid kindle

valid kindle
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to being removed yeah

slow patrol
valid kindle
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if I build a house id probably put it on my personal group, a government build would go under a group that one person, a high level trusted member of government, has primary on

slow patrol
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Oh I see

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So if a highly ranked member of a govt has primary on a bunch of builds that could mean he could effectively kick anyone else who has a stake in the build, in this case, the IF

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@valid kindle

valid kindle
slow patrol
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Damn

slow patrol
valid kindle
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it makes for a weird dynamic

slow patrol
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True

iron maple
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i was on every day

next matrix
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I was replying to colton about Grenada... @iron maple

iron maple
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oo

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oppsied

next matrix
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And sankara was never there before he left

cinder rock
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Penits

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*Penis

urban nexus
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😇

iron maple
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oindeed

tidal sierra
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@kind valley I see you got so much love for me. @slow patrol Just a heads up, half of what they said is shit. Just to be clear, Asgardians are the ones who contributed so damn much to the IF. And the problem we had with the IF? Noone knows what a team is. Noone defended each other. Infact when there was a coup they all got scared and said the coup was great and literally went against what they said a week before. Then blamed everything including what they did themselves (got loads of proof weve already shared) on @iron maple. It was a shambles. Noone would stay in such a nation

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No way Im playing nice with the continuation especially from the likes of @next matrix who was such an embarassment he basically got kicked out whilst resigning at the same time from the nation. Sometimes he gets confused about what he said an hour ago

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And @kind valley you are just a waste of time tbh 🤣🤣 I mean the shit you come up with. You literally are the definition of an asswipe. But your funny like a clown so be sure to stick around

kind valley
tidal sierra
pallid flicker
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I farded in my ass(guard)

tidal sierra
tidal sierra
next matrix
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Says the guy whose nation is dead

flint onyx
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and yet icenia still rebound

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over and over

tidal sierra
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Rebound?

weary trench
# tidal sierra Rebound?

Yea Icenia is back and growing. I guess they are being held back by war reps (would need icenian to confirm) but from observation they are no longer hooked up on life support and are able to grow

tidal sierra
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Ahh thats what he meant by rebound. It never fully died. Ofcourse they are regrowing. Doesnt remove the fact that a bunch of them are scum

weary trench
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Also @tidal sierra i hope that once y'all get your IRL matters in order that Asgard comes back and grows in population.
Despite many disagreements and clashes I still have to say that y'all especially Cuppy were recruiting machines which contributed to server growth as well as development in Deluvia

tidal sierra
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Appreciated Potato

iron maple
iron maple
kind valley
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my mistake, "true" wholesome civs give obby by the CS to chosen and ally with literal log clicker nations to shit around for no reason other than boredom. whoopsie!

iron maple
maiden osprey
cinder rock
iron maple
# cinder rock you and hass are the same person lmao

"everyone knows you only hate nara cause your boss hassdamahn tpld you. Even though he is literally like a side character, we all know your his bitch. Its funny that you try and act like a big boy though. Keep up the humour kid" vibes

cinder rock
cinder rock
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thats kinda sd bro

iron maple
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sidecharacter vibes

cinder rock
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I dont understand

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but I hope you know what this gif implies

tidal sierra
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Vanaheim hardly got any assistance from the IF but we assisted as many as we could and never asked for anything in return. We also assisted many people across various nations

next matrix
tidal sierra
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The Pavia iceroad was done by Spoonce and the iceroad connecting that to Vanaheim was me and Jalhf

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I used that Pavian iceroad from a year ago so I know it wasnt you

unique yarrow
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Hi, im new here, how do I join the nation or what do I need to join?

pallid flicker
unique yarrow
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Im pretty good at it especially if server cps is limited, really like grinding/tech stuff tho

kind valley
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join a nation with people that actually play

urban nexus
valid kindle
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asgard! (1.8 pvp)

devout cedar
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asgard 2024 comeback szn

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cold nimbus