Please add China to the game

[peak plank]

I heard that the production team is considering adding China to the game.
This will be a great innovation,Many Chinese players support this plan.
This will bring more players and of course, more money.
This is a commercial blue ocean.
China now has a huge number of game players,and we hope to see more Chinese elements in the game,but few production teams are aware of this(We are talking about RTS here, FPS has SQUAD TANK has warthunder).
What you have created is exactly what we are interested.
And this exploration will yield huge rewards.
Believing in the power of social platforms.

One more thing
Please describe objectively.
History is history, even if the game is adapted from history, it should not be completely detached from the reference object.
This game has enough objectivity in describing the Soviet Union.
Continue to maintain.
We don't want another BF4,The plot is that even a three-year-old child wouldn't believe it.

My English is not good, but I hope this is enough to demonstrate my views on this innovation plan

Thank you for considering adding things that interest us to the game.

[quaint pagoda]

allied western powers china? soviet forces china? german expedition china? or japanese puppet state china?

[silver mason]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_United_Front

[terse comet]

i support this, china can be very interesting done right, and super fun to play, there are a few games that shows how fun china can be but no RTS games! a true crime

they not only have their own unique equipment but can also use many different ones from nearly every single faction in ww2, just ping nemo and he'll drop you a 4 terabyte zip bomb of china content that could be added

[sudden cradle]

China is the last we need at the moment. First they need to balance the game, add Japan and Commonwealth and of course solve the messed up matchmaking

[kindred tendon]

It would be interesting but i have to concure, Japan /Comonnonwealth #1 if we get anything. Just waaaay more fronts covered with those guys

[steep crescent]

I agree, I would love to jump into the less covered parts of the war, but balance needs to come first. Commonwealth should be next, followed by Japan, then China is the perfect successor to the 2. They all lead to each other, commonwealth less so.

[heady void]

I guess having them as sort of a campaign somewhere down the line might be interesting.

However, my concern is that, given the patch work of lowtech mechanized equipment they received through out the war, they would not make for a fitting faction in the PvP department. At least not without giving them some serious expertise buffs, which then leads to another balance issue. The heaviest tank they received I've found sources for is a m4a4.

The design philosophy of this game is oriented at symmetrical warfare. At least from what I gathered china could not have provided that during the ww2 period of time. Or translated into game terms.

How would a player with any conceivable Chinese battalion fare against a german heavy tank battalion in a head on confrontation? I don't hink they could unless, again you give the chinese battalions some borderline op unit traits and health buffs.

So tldr. Chinese campaign? Sure.

Chinese as stand alone faction in modes like battalions? No.

[quaint pagoda]

it would be nice to see the other nations in the pacific. as a whole. fight against japan. having their gear be mostly british french and american equipment. as another under represented theater of world war 2. or japan in siberia fighting china and the soviets

[torn nymph]

Nice idea

[ember mulch]

taiwan would also be a cool faction

[peak plank]

Thank you for the suggestion and for the constructive discussion!

Refrain from discussing politics here though, please.

[quaint pagoda]

why are we only having 1 nationalist faction. wasnt there 2? and they fought alot during the warlord era period of cliques.

[silver mason]

Again...As stated before, they were the second united front

they fough side by side both CCP and KMT during WWII (they had minor skirmishes but in general they acted together against the Japanese)

[silver mason]

Taiwan was under Japanese control during WWII

[modest swallow]

If you want to do it, you hope to harmonize the flag and become an anchor mode.

[kindred prism]

In fact, very few games include the China faction. If we can create one, it will be unique and innovative, maybe can attracting more new players? 👍

[pure horizon]

really hope to add china in this great game!

[fleet sleet]

Great advice, few World War II games nowadays dare to make Chinese side👍👍

[peak salmon]

modern Taiwan is the continuation of the ROC, the ROC and the CPC(later forming the modern PRC) worked together in fighting the Japanese during the war

Despite the fact Taiwan did not exist yet and was under occupation it would also literally just be the ROC because it is just the parts of china that were not taken over by the CPC during the Chinese Civil War

in terms of faction the united front makes more sense since it would allow for a mixture of american and soviet units which would be very funny

[dusk island]

I also like the "United Front" idea

(It's also the best way to avoid political unpleasantries :D)

[heady void]

How would you implement it was into pvp tho?

[dusk island]

wdym?

you just get chinese units + soviet/american "Lend-lease" units in the form of some planes and tanks

the faction could just be called "United Front" and the flag could be chinese soviet + chinese national flags next to eachother or something

[heady void]

The biggest thing they got which I found a source for, was the m4a4. Meaning there would be no 1st tank and likely no heavy tank battalion available. Unless ofc they give them unprecedented buffs for the United Front only which is very likely messing up the balance of the gane just to name one example.

Or to make a broader picture how would the lend lease roster of the united front compared to what germans, soviets and americans have?

This games foundation is a RTS battlefield in symmetric setting. Adding a faction not being able to deliver this would mean, you would have to set them up for asymmetric warfare, which I don't see how to implement that in way that's fun for everyone involved.

[dusk island]

united front could get panzer 1s/t26s, BTs, stuarts

[heady void]

Yes and what to do they do against a jagdtiger?

Pershing?

Is3?

[dusk island]

AT guns/planes/theoretically upgunned shermans?
the IS3 was not in ww2, so I imagine they could have some creative freedom with a potential chinese faction

[peak salmon]

they didn't have the IS3 but the chinese had the IS-2

[heady void]

Like don't get me wrong. The more the merrier but this needs to be done in a sensible to prevent people going up in arms because of a either under or overpowered faction.

[peak salmon]

(not in ww2 mind you but neither did the soviets use the IS3 in battle)

[dusk island]

Under/Overpowered, as always, can be managed by cost increase/decreases and loosening of what devs feel is reasonable to include

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_military_equipment_in_World_War_II

they got zookas and boyz rifles so that part is all well and good

"Dare-to-die" corps could be a special unit you could shove a ton of at nades /molotovs into for infantry at or close range rushing

[peak salmon]

there is also reason to add Chinese civil war equipment where the soviets upped their lend lease game quite a bit

[dusk island]

what you put in a faction is usually just a case of how you can justify it

[heady void]

Maybe in theory but, in game terms the ones that combine heavy tanks with good infantry play usually win.

[peak salmon]

since most of it is ww2 anyway

[dusk island]

top 10 players that i have lost the most to make the most use of mediums actually

[heady void]

But whatever. I'm not particular against some form of chinese addition into the game. I just hope they get it right.

[dusk island]

artillery + mediums is just as effective

[peak salmon]

I'm more afraid of a japanese faction tbh they kind of coped really hard irl with tanks

mainly because they didn't need tanks that weren't to fight infantry for most of the war

[dusk island]

they can just copy paste japan from mowas2 though

(or was that a mod thing i dont remember)

[peak salmon]

As long as I get the land seaship

[dusk island]

REAL

[peak salmon]

Japan truly is a marvel

[silver mason]

this list is outdated and extremely incomplete (not counting misidentifications of certain weapons and armor)

don't take this as a source at all

I know this because I have a 71 page Word document with research of all Chinese equipment (not going to post it here it's in the GoH discord)

[dusk island]

wasnt trying to give a definitive answer

just an example

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[silver mason]

Me neither, I'm just warning you 🤷‍♂️

another thing is Molotovs, the kind of weapons was not as popular in China as we may imagine

however, workshop made pottery grenades did and Gebalte Ladung grenades were quite deadly agains tanks

[true ferry]

There are almost no WWII games including content about China now.
If MOWII could add the Chinese camp (and Japan) to show Far East battlefield which takes a big part but seldom referred to, the gameplay experience players would get would be unique.

[silver mason]

There is an old game set in the Second Sino-Japanese War, a friend sent me the link to try it. It's a bit confusing since I can't read Chinese, but quite good 😅

[quaint pagoda]

we need to add swords for both sides. the big chinese sword for the chinese. and the katana for japanese. as well as the lungemine.

[rotund gorge]

support firmly！

[quaint pagoda]

another cool thing to add would be this helmet style

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gongchen_tank

chinese chi ha

a bit of lore for those who care to read -

Among one of the most common tanks used in the Chinese Civil War was the Japanese Type 97 Chi-Ha and Shinhoto Chi-Ha tanks. These saw extensive use by both sides of the conflict. Curiously, the Nationalists appeared to have developed an indigenous casemate self-propelled-gun (SPG) in 1948 using the Chi-Ha chassis and a Japanese 75 mm (2.95 in) Type 94 Mountain Gun. This Chinese Civil War-era tank conversion is one of the most obscure products of its era. Unfortunately, very little primary information is known to have survived the war regarding this conversion.

According to the article published by a Chinese magazine, the Chi-Ha SPG was developed as a result of studying European and American casemate SPG designs from the Second World War. Some of the benefits of the Chi-Ha casemate SPG design was that it could provide both direct and indirect fire support for front-line troops, having a high degree of mobility allowing for quick relocation, relative safety for the crew from small-arms fire, and having a relatively long effective range of approximately 8.5 km (5.3 mi) using High-Explosive-Anti-Tank (HEAT) shells and 7.5 km (4.7 mi) using High-Explosive (HE). This raises some questions though as no HEAT shell was mass produced for the Type 94 Mountain Gun by the Japanese. It is unsure why the magazine would give the figure for HEAT, but there could be a few explanations for this. It could be possible that the Chinese had locally manufactured HEAT shells compatible for the Type 94 Mountain Gun, but there is no evidence to suggest this. Second, it also can be possible that the Chinese just listed general information of the Type 94 Mountain Gun and did not realize that HEAT shells were not available. Nonetheless, it is doubtful that a HEAT round fired from a 75 mm gun could in any way have an effective

range of 8.5 km and this was probably the maximum range at which the shell could be fired. Accurate aiming at ranges of over 1.5 km would be rather improbable for such a gun.

Based upon the few photos known of the Chi-Ha SPG, the conversion consisted of a new casemate mounted on top of the Chi-Ha hull with a machine gun mount in the rear. A second forward-firing machine gun was also installed, seemingly on the left side of the mantlet. The superstructure featured a hatch door on the left side, large enough for crewmen to enter and exit. A second smaller hatch was on the right rear side of the turret, presumably for the discarding of spent shell casings or loading of new shells. The shape of the superstructure bears an ostensible resemblance to some of the turrets on the World War II-era German BP42 armored train. However, other than the similar shape there are no other features – or evidence – which would suggest that the Chi-Ha SPG design was copied from the German train turrets.

The main armament of the Chi-Ha SPG was the Japanese 75 mm (2.95 in) Type 94 Mountain Gun which entered Japanese service in 1934 / 1935 and was supplied with up to 51 shells. The gun had limited traverse at the front, with the whole front of the superstructure turning along with the gun. The horizontal traverse angle of the gun was stated to be 20° to the left, but only 10° to the right. The elevation of the gun ranges from -10° to +45°, seemingly the standard elevation for the Type 94 Mountain Gun. Chinese-manufactured Czech ZB-26 machine guns were mounted in the front and rear of the casemate superstructure which was accompanied by 1,000 rounds. The engine output for the Chi-Ha SPG given by the Chinese sources is stated to be 170 hp (127 kW), which matches the figures for the original standard Japanese Mitsubishi air-cooled SA12200VD V-12 engine used in the

Chi-Ha tanks. This would suggest that the engine was unchanged. There are no visible changes to the Chi-Ha’s hull or bell-crank suspension system, which would imply that there was no additional modification to the hull structure. The armor of the hull also probably remained the same, with 25 mm on the front and sides and 20 mm to the rear. The top and bottom of the hull were 8 mm thick. It is unknown what thickness the new superstructure had, but is likely thick enough to protect the crew from small-arms fire or shrapnel.

It is unknown how many of these conversions were made, but it most certainly did not exceed single digits. Curiously, one example of the Chi-Ha SPG was apparently captured by the People’s Liberation Army following the Huaihai Campaign of 1949 near Xuzhou, Jinzhou Province. A photo showcasing captured Japanese tanks from the Nationalists following the fighting reveals the peculiar shaped tank turret of the Chi-Ha SPG. Unfortunately, the photo does not showcase details of the tank, as it was placed in the far back covered by other tanks. The placement of the tank is so low profile that one might miss it if not looking closely. Either way, the fate of this captured Chi-Ha SPG is ultimately unknown. There is no evidence to indicate that the tank was reissued to combat units or given any special attention by the Communist Chinese, so it is safe to say that the tank was likely scrapped at some point afterwards. There are no other known instances of Chi-Ha SPGs being captured or utilized in the Chinese Civil War.

Dimensions (LWH): 5.52 x 2.33 x ?m

Weight: Approximately 13 tons

Armament: 1 x 75 mm Type 94 Mountain Gun (51 Rounds), 2 x 2x 8.2 mm Chinese-manufactured ZB-26 Machine Gun (1,000 Rounds)

Ammunition: AP, HEAT?, HE, Star, Smoke

Traverse and elevation: 20° left, 10° right, – 10°, + 45°

Max armour: 25mm

Top speed: 31kph

Powerplant: 1 x air-cooled Mitsubishi SA12200VD V-12 engine (170 hp)