Make AA air scanner much shorter

[winter quest]

There's no reason to choke the planes so hard.

[split urchin]

arent planes kinda strong already?

[winter quest]

Yes, they are weak. It is easy to bring their effectiveness to zero with AA. You have a scanner which makes it so easy to just escape the barrage. The planes always die hunting down the AA. They can not check the AA presence with a clever maneuver.

Ofc they are strong vs players who don't care about countermeasures, but that is because these players are just weak.

[split urchin]

doesn't a bombing run kill the anti air also though, even if bomber maybe dies it self? and after that if no other player has AA, then you kill kill kill

[split urchin]

most matches played are not high competitive

[winter quest]

It stands for everything in the game: if enemy has no countermeasure the unit gets powerful. The bomber will die from high caliber AA without making the job done.

I feel like the game must be balanced using the countermeasures graph.

And the plane is a theoretically good countermeasure for wide range of units but it is awfully bad on practice.

It is OK if AA would totally counter the planes but had wide range of counters, but they don't.

[split urchin]

you didnt reply to my comment about plane killing the AA

[winter quest]

I did

[split urchin]

so in your opinion, the only AA worth taking are the highest tier AA?

since those are onlyones that can counter planes

[winter quest]

Nah, multiple light will do the work too

[split urchin]

but if you pick multiple light, then you don't have many other units, plus bomber will still get through to kill one

im not for or against buffing or nerfing planes / AA whatever, just trying to understand your reasoning

in my experience in matchmaking games AA is weak, planes = strong

I play solo que though (in beta), team games can be different

[winter quest]

You have to choose. What about CP, you can keep the guns neutral if you want to fill the whole frontline

[split urchin]

did you watch Ahun play matchmaking? he picks 0 AA and max planes always

[winter quest]

I think he does not pick AA because he plays actively and he is not a proper target for planes.

What about planes and AA I never felt my AA had problems with air defense.

But AA is surely strong as it is has multiple purposes: dealing with infantry, tanks and air from too reliable stealth.

[split urchin]

yeah balance is the key, people whine a lot about artillery being too strong, but imo artillery is the weakest unit group in competitive play.

I think we'll see the balance better when the game is released

[winter quest]

This topic reasoning is that you need 1 AA on whole map to save all your artillery from planes

Its too OP

[split urchin]

mostly atm people whine planes are too strong, not about AA being too strong

but like you said in competitive play it may be reverse

will have to see for some actual competitive play to happen, to judge better, maybe?

[winter quest]

People whining at everything is not an argument

Developers followed their whine during the Arena times and you must see once what it lead to.

[split urchin]

i never played a mow game before

[winter quest]

Sniper aimed for that long he could not hit any moving soldier as his aim would be broken by aim limit

Scouts were spotted by everyone once they would get in a basic vision range

[winter quest]

@split urchin and yep, he uses the AA and even the trick with neutral units cost 0 CP
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[pearl karma]

Well best counter for AA is arty , like any stationary gun( for highest tier AA).
Plus the fact an AA gun takes quite some CP so if you take it you're way less pressent on the front.
You can use an flak 88 to shoot directly at vehicles but then you're risking being discovered if a plane arrives and you shoot down the plane.

I understand your point of view and I definitely agree with you that it's not a perfect situation. But from the AA player perspective, he's really kinda screwed prior to echelon 3.
His main job suddenly becomes waiting for planes and acting as a pseudo- anti -tank regiment.
If on top of that his range is reduced in what position does this put him.

[split urchin]

what trick

[winter quest]

Leave the gun to free the CP

[split urchin]

how does that help? you mean the crew can be outside gun without cp and you can use other units, retreat them and crew it again?

[winter quest]

Support battalions can have whole map of uncrewed guns

[pearl karma]

Yeah he tends to leave uncrewed weapons left and right and just recrews them depending on need

It works fine until someone sees the vehicle in questions and bombs it to pieces

[winter quest]

What do you mean with vehicle in questions? You can disguise your cannons and it works.

[pearl karma]

Yeah well , you can still get pushed

the vehicle can be stolen or destroyed

you have infiltrators and scout planes

So god knows what can happen to an uncrewed aa gun

[winter quest]

Sure. That's why you build your defense line.

We are not talking about vehicles. There's no reason to keep the vehicle uncrewed.

And it's OK to lose a gun on your side as it is an easy target

If you are afraid of scouts - use the eye indicator on your vehicles

[pearl karma]

Well you won't get it on uncrewed AA. I'm referring specifically to those. ;P

[winter quest]

AA comes with a vehicle carrying it. Usually it costs 0 CP, but soviet high caliber AA comes with Komsomolets armored tractor which has a machinegun and so must worth something.

[radiant cosmos]

Not true bro)
I always take 3 M1 AA on first echelon

[split urchin]

ok, missed it maybe when watching your stream then (you need to stream more). good play with infiltrators 🙂

[radiant cosmos]

Thank you)