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atomic patio Jan 8, 2024, 1:33 PM

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hey my name i Zen, ive been spending a few days now trying to update the fandom wiki. https://techtonica.fandom.com/wiki/Home
it started as i got frustrated with the inability to see what speeds or tiers machins could go up to. (not the fault of you guys, just the availability of information as you updated)
so planning for a playthrough or base builing, or basebuilding expansion, became tedious.

anyways i ended up speedrunning the game to get accurate numbers and information.
and before i knew what was happening, i was spending a days/hours trying to update the wiki for others.

ial get to the question i just wanted to share a bit first.
ived added a navigation to the home page. it makes it easier to see all the content for your guys game, and for people to go to, or create further articles.
ive also added all the research, and sub-pages for the 7 research category's of reasearch. (its always nice to see what one can aspire to)
ive implored people on there to help optimize the decriptions of the pages ive worked on if need be.

as for my question... ive briefly worked on getting the machines sub-pages up to date with accurate numbers. thow i find my self having trouble with the fuel ratios. and was wondering if you guys could share light on the matter.
Mining Drill Fuel Consumption https://techtonica.fandom.com/wiki/Mining_Drill
Smelter Fuel Consumption https://techtonica.fandom.com/wiki/Smelter
Smelter MKII Consumption https://techtonica.fandom.com/wiki/Smelter_MKII

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Home > Production > Resource Extraction > Mining Drill Mining Drill The Mining Drill when placed up against and ore source, mines ores. The drill uses fossil fuels to run. the amount of fuel...

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Home > Production > Smelting > Smelter Smelter The Smelter smelts resources into more usable products. The smelter uses fossil fuels to run. the amount of fuel varies depending on the fuel. The...

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Smelter MKII

Home > Production > Smelting > Smelter MKII Smelter MKII The Smelter MKII is the improved version of the basic smelter. The smelter uses fossil fuels to run. the amount of fuel varies depending on...

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sorry, my fingers moved faster then my brains ability to spell correctly.

dry gazelle Jan 8, 2024, 2:51 PM

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Sure, here it is

Mining drill Mk1 0.75
Smelter Mk1 1
Smelter Mk2 8

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 3:33 AM

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Iam unsure what you mean by that answer...

Again by your own patch notes submission, its stated that numbers are rounded. so the acturaly number of Fuel per min is can be a decimal number. by that i just want to confirm that these numbers are correcet. i just want to update the wiki with accurate information if possible.

and the bonus question is whats the math behinde a fuel value becomming a x amount per min. for the Mining Drill, Smelter, Smelter MKII. or are they fixed numbers.

(main the speed column iam asking about. the rate of wich the machine need fuel)

Mining Drill

                        Density increase  Fuel Power     100% / 160% / 240% Speed
Plantmatter             -                 10             9    Fuel per Min
Plantmatter Fiber       -                 3              23   Fuel per Min
Kindlevine Stems        -                 25             3    Fuel per Min
Biobrick                -                 35             1,28 Fuel per Min
Biobrick BioDense II    25%               43,75          1,02 Fuel per Min
Biobrick BioDense III   65%               57,75          0,77 Fuel per Min
Biobrick BioDense IV    120%              77             0,58 Fuel per Min
Biobrick BioDense V     220%              112            0,40 Fuel per Min

Smelter

                        Density increase  Fuel Power  100% / 125% / 150% Speed
Plantmatter             -                 10          12   Fuel per Min
Plantmatter Fiber       -                 3           4    Fuel per Min
Kindlevine Stems        -                 25          30   Fuel per Min
Biobrick                -                 35          1,46 Fuel per Min
Biobrick BioDense II    25%               43,75       1,17 Fuel per Min
Biobrick BioDense III   65%               57,75       0,89 Fuel per Min
Biobrick BioDense IV    120%              77          0,67 Fuel per Min
Biobrick BioDense V     220%              112         0,45 Fuel per Min

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Smelter MKII

                        Density increase  Fuel Power  100% / 125% / 150% Speed
Plantmatter             -                 10          96  Fuel per Min
Plantmatter Fiber       -                 3           32  Fuel per Min
Kindlevine Stems        -                 25          240 Fuel per Min
Biobrick                -                 35          14  Fuel per Min
Biobrick BioDense II    25%               43,75       11  Fuel per Min
Biobrick BioDense III   65%               57,75       8   Fuel per Min
Biobrick BioDense IV    120%              77          6   Fuel per Min
Biobrick BioDense V     220%              112         4   Fuel per Min

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 3:38 AM

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you asked for fuel ratio between this 3 machines

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so I gave them

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Drill 0.75
Smelter 1
Smelter mk2 8

that the ratios between this 3 machines, Drill fuel consumption is 75% of what Smelter Mk1 consume, and Smelter Mk2 consumes 8 times of what Smelter Mk1 consume

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not sure I understand question correctly if this is not the answer you were looking for

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 3:47 AM

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while iam grateful for that information, its not quit what i was trying to ask sorry.
(thow that information i will be adding to the pages, thanks)

so the question iam asking is if the numbers ive provided are accurate.
for example. a Smelter MKI supplyed with Biobrick uses 1,46 Biobrick per min. thats a number ive calulated based on vigorous testing. is that number correct, a smelter needs 1.46 fuel per min to run. and if possible we know that Biobrick has a Fuel Power of 35. so the bonus question is how does 35 become 1,46 fuel per minute for the smelter.? whats the math behind that?

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 3:55 AM

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I have no clue, it's not how it is in data, so I would have to manually calculate to check numbers

System is quite simple

For example, plantmatter is 10 Fuel power (or Units)

1 Mk1 Smelter without upgrades need 12 per minute

so Mk2 smelter will need 96 per minute and Drill 9 per minute

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sorry, there is a typo in description, plantmatter is actually 5 Fuel not 10

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 4:02 AM

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yar thats the issue. its easyer to relay on the bigger numbers for fuel consumption.
hence why we dont nessesarely question the numbers of anything else but biobricks
but when you get to 2, 1 or below 1. the decimals matter, as apposed to just being told it need 1.
i based my testing on how much time it took to consume 100 biobricks (10 min+) just to i had a bigger samle size of time to devide by. so i belive the numbers ive gotten are close.

but i did compare the fuel values to x amount per min, and account for +1 -1 if the number was rounded to the nearest integer, into a cordinate grid. and i can confirm some kind of exponential function was used in calculated thoes numbers. i just dont know the spesific math.

was just hopeing someone knew thoes numbers, on here.

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:04 AM

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so, biobrick without upgrades are 35 fuel power
sticks 15
Plantmatter 5

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will ask narrative to upgrade description, some things got desynced until we will get dynamic link from code

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you should always relay and trust numbers in the bottom left corner, they are directly from code

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this one

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 4:09 AM

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again i cant find it at the moment, but the patch notes says thats not accurate, thats a rounded number, and 1 decimal place will be added in the future.

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:09 AM

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numbers there are rounded that is correct

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you can use them to find base values and just apply ratios I gave above

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ratios are from code so they also correct

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 4:11 AM

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that being saied. yar i proberly in the example you provided. but for somethjing like biobrick for a mining drill Biobrick BioDense III, Biobrick BioDense IV, Biobrick BioDense V.

ingame the only thing the machine will tell you is that it uses 1 Biobrick per min, in all 3 cases here.

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again another confirmation of the numbers ingame are rounded is if you look at Mining drill mkII. it will tell you, it produces, 38 ore per min. but when you look at amount the speed upraged version produces, that dossent make sense, the math dossent add up unless its acturaly 37,5 per min

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what iam getting at is if its possible to get the accurate numbers for the machines that uses decimals for consumption per min, so i can accurately add that to the wiki. iam not tying to suggest it should be added to the game. iam just trying to optain accurate information if possible

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:17 AM

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drill dig rate is 0.625

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Mk2 I mean

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Mk1 is 0.4167

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at 100%

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but this is not related to fuel

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so, in short, one sentence, how I can help you?

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 4:19 AM

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Are these numbers correct:

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iam more intersted in the decimal numbers more then anything

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and how does your devolepers get thoes values. whats the math on that to get from
FUEL VALUE => MACHINE CONUMPTION RATE
if you dont know, or cant get thoes numbers, thats fine.
iam just intersted if possible, since ived estiamted, and testing my way to get the numbers ive provided.

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:24 AM

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developers (in this case me) set values that will result in a specific ratio of machines to machines

sometimes machine X to amount of inserters to a belt throughput, a number that will land to a certain grid values so there is always a solution for a specific setup like

10 drills 5 insertes Mk2 belt with Upgrade tier 1, feeding stuff to a smelter with upgrade Tier 2

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 4:29 AM

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i get that, integers are nice whole number to caluculate with and when it comes to that. and for the most part iam a fan of you guys keeping it nice ratios when it comes to machine to machine. that being saied. again its not as nice numbers when we are talking about fule consumption especially biobricks for Mining Drill MKI and Smelter MKI. hence why iam humbaly trying to ask for the accurate decimal numbers for the consumption rate of fuels to x amount per min by the machine. since once you go below 1 forexample with the smeltery

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ingame it just says 1 biobrick per min in all 3 cases.

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:30 AM

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we never ever set a goal to have nice numbers, we had them before at earlier versions and they do nto result in interesting gameplay

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 4:30 AM

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so again. is it possible you can tell me the real decimal numbers.
if not thats fine.

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:30 AM

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nice numbers always never work if goal is to motivate player to play the game

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decimal numbers are calculated in game in real time they are not provided by data

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Fuel power
Fuel consumption rate
Dig rate
(+upgrades)
are data that provided

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 4:33 AM

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again i dont care if the numbers or rations are nice or not.
iam just trying to obtain the real decimal numbers if possible.
ive estimated close to them, was just asking if you could provide, the real decimal numbers.
again... if not thats fine, iam just asking

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:35 AM

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I can provide you a formula that creates decimal numbers

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 4:35 AM

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that would be nice.

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:35 AM

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there is no Real decimal numbers you are looking for

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which formula you need?

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 4:43 AM

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when you look at the fuel values to consumption rates for a machine
you can some what plot it into a cordinate grid, and it looks something like this:
so we can determ an exponential function is being used to calculate this.
so again whats the function aka formula aka the math being used to get that

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:46 AM

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1 to 1
1 fuel unit to 1 consumption rate

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and rates for machines I provided in a first message

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if machine has fuel consumption rate 1, that means it consumes 1 fuel unit per 1 second

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here a plot for that formula

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 4:50 AM

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again i think your mis understanding me.
so heres raw data

Mining drill MKI

10 fuel power => 9 Fuel per Min
3 => 23 Fuel per Min
25 => 3 Fuel per Min

walk be through the math here
how does a become b

10 => 9
3 => 23
25 => 3

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:50 AM

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as I said, there is a bug in description for fuels

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so, biobrick without upgrades are 35 fuel power
sticks 15
Plantmatter 5

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from this are all issues in your tables

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it is on us, we didnt hooked up data to descriptions and update them manually

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 4:52 AM

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its not really a bug, just not any infomation on what fule power valuse mean

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:52 AM

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but at least values in the description window are dynamic and from data

and for fuel if it goes below 1 it just shows 1, because below 1 is irrelevant for players

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:52 AM

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atomic patio its not really a bug, just not any infomation on what fule power valuse mean

semantics

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 4:52 AM

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fair

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:53 AM

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fuel power means 1 second of work for machines that have fuel consumption 1

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rates I gave above in first message so you can just calculate from that, same with Dig rate for drills

amount of ore per second:
Mk2 drill dig rate is 0.625
Mk1 is 0.4167

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 4:54 AM

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well that dossent add up. again i based my calculations on a large amount of time to sample data that.
example: Mining Drill MKI

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id you time it it shoudl take 47 sec to brun 1 biobrick, and that 1,28 per in.
again not a decription bug. thats the time it takes

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:55 AM

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I am really sorry that doesnt add up in your table, I gave you numbers that are in the current build that is on steam

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 4:56 AM

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so just to reiterate are the values and times gonna change on the next realse then?
because these are the times currently for fuel consumption.

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:56 AM

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there were no plans to change them

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Mk1 drill consumes 45 fuel units per minute

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without upgrades to that drill and without Core boost changing that speed

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it's 1.2857 biobricks per minute

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so yes this number on pic above is correct

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not sure how it's not adds up

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 4:59 AM

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dry gazelle Mk1 drill consumes 45 fuel units per minute

that bit of infomation, would help in understanding the fuel values.

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 4:59 AM

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I literally said that in 1st message

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atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 5:01 AM

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so... raw data. if thats the missing data.
so if....
Mk1 drill consumes 45 fuel units per minute
would it then be...
smelter MKI 60 fuel per min,
Smelter MKII 480 fuel per min?

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 5:02 AM

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if Mk1 drill fuel consumption is 0.75
and Smelter mk1 fuel consumption is 1

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0.75 is 3/4
1 is 1/1
8 is 8/1

if 45 fuel/per minute is 0.75, how 1 is 30?

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 5:04 AM

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45 = 0.75 = 75%
60 = 1 = 100%

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-sry updated the comment before you finished yours

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but are thoes numbers then accurate.
Drill MKI = 45 Fuel per min
Smelter MKI = 60 Fuel per min
Smelter MKII = 480 Fuel per min
if true thats all the data i nned

dry gazelle Jan 9, 2024, 5:06 AM

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yes, this data is correct

atomic patio Jan 9, 2024, 5:06 AM

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thanks

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again sorry if i seemed fustrated, its just based on the information available i can only make serter assertions. when you provided the "Mk1 drill consumes 45 fuel units per minute" in context to the number 0,75. i started to understand what you ment.

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