RagdollService - All in one high quality ragdoll solution!

[green grove]

like this?

[quaint niche]

set the ragdoll when character spawns

only once

and then you can call activate ragdoll

[green grove]

Ohh okay

[quaint niche]

and deactivate ragdolll

[green grove]

I just need to activate it when my char dies honestly

[quaint niche]

yeah in that case

setup ragdoll is needed

cuz dying has some unrevertable consequences

which makes on death ragdoll almost impossible

without setting it up beforehand

all you need is what the example place file does

[green grove]

Oh there is?

[quaint niche]

yep

[green grove]

Cuz rn ragdoll so bugged for some reason LOL

[quaint niche]

https://www.roblox.com/games/132065693502130/RagdollService-Showcase

uncopylocked

[green grove]

thxx

i'll take a look

[quaint niche]

also it shouldn't really be buggy if you setupragdoll when character spawns

and activate it when death occurs

[green grove]

Yeah that's exactly what i'm doing

[quaint niche]

check the example then

this is it

[green grove]

Tho i'm doing it on client cause network time affect the time before it ragdolls

[quaint niche]

you can't do client

unless it's a client created rig

[green grove]

mmmh

[quaint niche]

you character is created by server

so needs to be done on server

[quaint niche]

This is very smooth btw

you can try in game

[green grove]

And does it replicate to all clients?

[quaint niche]

ofc

[green grove]

Smoothly?

[quaint niche]

join me in game

if you want

[green grove]

Okay

[quaint niche]

you can easily make that system

we call that "masking"

[green grove]

ohh

[quaint niche]

make a motor6d and clone the char on client

[green grove]

I do that for npcs, but now i'm doing players ragdolls

[quaint niche]

attach with motor6d

and then ragdoll the attached rig

from client

pretty simple

give it a shot

its extremely easy

[green grove]

Attaching with motor6d

i'm confused

why would i need to attach

[quaint niche]

you need to attach the mask to the original character

so it follows the player

[green grove]

Oh i don't need that

[quaint niche]

I dont get it

[green grove]

I just need it to ragdoll on death

without the need of being accurate

[quaint niche]

same principal really

it's easier to make it accurate than not tbf

attaching a motor6d takes 5 seconds

either way you'll need a mask

[green grove]

I'll redownload ur ragdoll cause i removed the entire ragdoll remote stuff

so das basically all i gotta do on server?

[quaint niche]

no

on client

cuz you want to mask

masking is client prediction

[green grove]

tf

[quaint niche]

so basically you don't do .Activate ragdoll

instead you make a new remote event

call it RagdollEvent

[green grove]

I'm so lost ☠️

[quaint niche]

and then pass the character

[green grove]

ye das what i'm doing

already

Server fire all clients when a client dies

[quaint niche]

yep

[green grove]

it fire the character

[quaint niche]

that's it then

[green grove]

and on client it setup the ragdoll and activate it

[quaint niche]

yep

just call .Ragdoll

since it's a mask

[green grove]

Okay bet

amazing

[quaint niche]

🔥

my solution

[green grove]

OHH okay

i'll try that

yes

anyways

[quaint niche]

lmao

[green grove]

also the ragdoll limbs don't collide into each other

idk if that's normal

[quaint niche]

it's made that way

you can change the config

[green grove]

ohhhhhh

okay okay

i'm always mummified LOL

[quaint niche]

I think the ragdoll doesn't kick in because it's in death state

[green grove]

Yeah

[quaint niche]

cuz copied the humanoid state too

[green grove]

It is infact in death state

[quaint niche]

I mean this worked for me

I removed weld

[green grove]

ngl my idea was more like

For local client, ragdoll on their side
When client dies on server, server fire for every other client that client character and create a mask for it etc and then ragdoll it while excluding the player who died since their ragdoll is already handled on their client

[quaint niche]

you can do that ig

it's just same thing a bit more optimized

[green grove]

ye and also client who died will have immediate feedback

[quaint niche]

Im gonna fix collission issues rn

[green grove]

cuz I tried with delay and my ragdoll was delayed

[quaint niche]

lets see if this works

[quaint niche]

the thing

is

you need to mask

if you want instant

even on your own client

that's just how roblox works

so a better approach is masking everybody

[green grove]

ngl idek why sometime the simplest thing takes hours to implement cuz of roblox

God damn

[quaint niche]

I mean this would be days with unity

especially with networking

[green grove]

auggh

[quaint niche]

I got some pretty good results btw

[green grove]

show

[green grove]

try it with network ping

[quaint niche]

yeah sure

1000000 ping

lmao

[green grove]

amazing

[quaint niche]

I basically do it instantly on our client

by connecting to died directly

and for other clients its a remote

[green grove]

My ragdoll acting mad weird tho

how do you do ur ragdoll?

[quaint niche]

I have some bugs apparently

it works good for single client

but multi client is bugged

okay this works great

@green grove

[green grove]

ye mine acting weird af

[green grove]

oo thx

[quaint niche]

should I make Masking a native feature

or let it be implemented via existing functionality

honestly I think Ill let it be custom implemented

cuz this is a very specific use case

[green grove]

yeahhh

[quaint niche]

does this work for you

[green grove]

It does yeah

[quaint niche]

alr awesome

Im gon go sleep

https://tenor.com/view/gn-chat-gif-9645953696583015458

[green grove]

tho when i try no masking it does that

so weird

[quaint niche]

an update is coming 👀

[dark spoke]

the "screw roblox quirks" update

[quaint niche]

yes

fuck roblox update

[quaint niche]

sneak peek

seperating ragdoll assets to a seperate folder

hopefully ragdolls won't break on ApplyDescription

[quaint niche]

apparently that already doesn't break the ragdoll

weird...

[quaint niche]

guys I found out an interesting info

if you apply description then the engine goes back to automatic ownership

so after each apply description the owner must be set to nil again for npcs

😭

[cold flax]

At this point, it's easier to make custom humanoid... 😭

[quaint niche]

there are so many weird behaviors with humanoids

that Im starting to think about making custom

also I don't think I can update the module for such a cosmetic change

🥀

yeah we'll keep it as is

Ill just release a hotfix for the root part bs

[dark spoke]

I predicted the future

SinekHumanoid ❤️

[quaint niche]

@green grove I just realized all these games that promote "realistic ragdoll physics" are in fact using masks

I think what's going on is mask is used to calculate physics and the actual character is used to display

cuz tools don't break even with masks which means they use it as a physics masks

[hearty horizon]

whats a mask-

[quaint niche]

it's just a temporary object created seperately from the actual character

masks are a very old technique in game dev

even used in original sm64

the idea is mask only does 1 job and it's either presentation or calculation

so you seperate concerns for less bugginess

[hearty horizon]

oh so like invisible 2nd fake character sort of

[quaint niche]

exactly

but it can be visible too

if mask is a presentation mask it's visible and the actual character is hidden

if it's a physics mask then it's invisible

[hearty horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-understands-the-rock-the-rock2022-rock-gif-25109449

[quaint niche]

I realized this cuz when I tried to unragdoll I was getting teleported slightly instead of staying place

[quaint niche]

Version 1.4 hotfix 4

• Increased safety for network owner operations

NOOOO

not again...

[hearty horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-kamehameha-meme-speed-kamehameha-gif-3504385717540383658

[dark spoke]

LOL

[quaint niche]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1347298146182631545/1472051851225727132/08fd5738676c8bd4ebb630c9437b67.gif

btw all versions have been properly archied now

1.0 to 1.4

[dark spoke]

I think you meant 1.0 to 1.4.4

🤑

[quaint niche]

shh

hotfix

🤑

[dark spoke]

Hotfix are just fixes in a backwards compatible matter, thus 1.4.4!!!!

[quaint niche]

🥀

I wouldn't ever use an older version anyways unless there's a really good reason to

they are old versions for a reason

[dark spoke]

Honestly I find if more funny that discord version of Linux is something like 0.0.185

[quaint niche]

also since 1.0 all versions have been drop in replacement

[quaint niche]

😭 what

they never reaching 1.0.0

[dark spoke]

I mean... I get it why

(This happened when someone watched my screenshare, LOL)

[quaint niche]

lmfao

yeah that makes sense now

[dark spoke]

Like dead-ass, if you screenshare without someone joining then its OK, otherwise your graphics driver just doesn't know what to do and crashes

[quaint niche]

thats so funny

[tribal lava]

[stuck granite]

na

if our world is client sided then how can admins like netanyahu mod abuse

[tribal lava]

he has access to the remote events

that replicate wars

[quaint niche]

1.5 update soon ™

👀

[quaint niche]

expect api changes

you can stay in 1.4 if you don't want the new and improved systems

instead of unified .Ragdoll api there will be an option to trigger client ragdoll and ragdoll from runner directly

so client ragdoll on your own character will be possible

it will also come with a chrono example

actually it will come with a masking example which will be chrono compatible

masking guarantees incredibly smooth ragdoll across all players

[spring marsh]

https://giphy.com/gifs/positive-affirmation-yTxFCdDx7R9U8hi7ld

fuck off

[quaint niche]

I will remove some of the animate script bypasses with 1.5

I found a better workaround

huge update

very excited

[dark spoke]

grrrr if this isn't backwards compatible... then it's 2.0

[quaint niche]

actually that's true

2.0 will include custom IsRagdolled tracker

that works on both client and server

no matter where the ragdoll is triggered from

this means IsRagdolled can't be used for security purposes

or do you guys want IsRagdolled to be kept server only

nah

this will create hella bloat

Ill let devs implement their own tracking still but improve the ragdoll api

[hearty horizon]

agreed

[quaint niche]

@prisma solar

[prisma solar]

hi

https://gyazo.com/9238927fd66258a9e3339f4f8161e673

[quaint niche]

oh btw

[quaint niche]

the ragdoll uses the parts directly as the colliders

[quaint niche]

what is the error you are getting

[prisma solar]

tahts fine

[quaint niche]

O I believe it's called ActivateRagdoll

[prisma solar]

well i was going off of this

i didnt really read the module 😛

[quaint niche]

but why didnt you get autocomplete for it

actually that is prob true3

[quaint niche]

can you show me the actual error

the actual traceback is up there

you cut it

[prisma solar]

this one?

[quaint niche]

ohhh

[prisma solar]

well the method is incorrect the correct name is ActivateRagdoll yeah

i was going off the forums docs

[quaint niche]

yeah

let me fix thx

everyone got autocomplete

so that's why no one said anything

pretty weird you didnt get autocomplete

[prisma solar]

i got autocomplete too i just didnt gaf lol oops

[quaint niche]

😭

Ill fix forum post

[prisma solar]

nah i just didnt bother i just went off the docs

[prisma solar]

i do have 1 issue but i think thats not ur problem

[quaint niche]

thx tho

[prisma solar]

theres initial desync with network ownership

[quaint niche]

yes

it is a general issue on roblox end

[prisma solar]

https://gyazo.com/5aaddf265fb74bed0a11286ad0ad20f4

thats ok i can fix it probably

[quaint niche]

wait what

no no

you are doing it on client

you are supposed to do it on server

if the rig is on server

[prisma solar]

oh wait what

[quaint niche]

yep

if the rig is not a local rig

[prisma solar]

ah thats why it fixes itself

[quaint niche]

yeha

[prisma solar]

once the ownerhsip transfers

ok

i didnt know lol

[quaint niche]

cuz it stops simulating

oh lol

[prisma solar]

oopsie 😛

[quaint niche]

@prisma solar how is it on server

send me

[prisma solar]

im not sure if its robloxs fault or rigs fault

[prisma solar]

https://gyazo.com/90767302e47cf0ea403a650637db0dff

i think the skirt

keeps it upright

[quaint niche]

definitely

[prisma solar]

which is funny to think abt but its a bit of a problem for me

lemme make it collision off

[dark spoke]

Skirt having collison on 🔥

[quaint niche]

🔥

[dark spoke]

that's like a small bush having collusion on

[prisma solar]

heres the script

the fucking skirts so thick

the impulse does nothing

🙏

[quaint niche]

you can apply post ragdoll aswell

also I already do apply impulse

in code

[dark spoke]

I wonder if instead of scripting I should get my blendering up 🤑

[quaint niche]

why is grandma built like that

[prisma solar]

idk bro 😭

[spring marsh]

Wtf is this model 😭

[prisma solar]

BRO

IM DYING

[spring marsh]

Who's grandma is this

[prisma solar]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

😭😭😭😭😭

https://gyazo.com/dae7259df931d36793c6f8c757788b98

[dark spoke]

Bro made it and forgot

[prisma solar]

BRO WHATI S THIS

[dark spoke]

😭

[spring marsh]

LMAO

[dark spoke]

LOL

[spring marsh]

She's so joyous

[prisma solar]

WHY SHE THROWING THAT THING

[dark spoke]

Low cortisol while dying

🌹

[quaint niche]

LMFAOOO

keep it

[prisma solar]

IM KEEPING IT

BRO I WAS ABT TO SAY

THIS IS PERFECT

[quaint niche]

IM wheezing over here

😭

[prisma solar]

😭😭😭😭

[quaint niche]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1370457216368246874/1441181170393157682/images.gif

[prisma solar]

IDFK BRO 😭😭😭

[quaint niche]

that looks so funny

bro

IM gonna die

from wheezing

😭

[prisma solar]

😭😭😭😭

[quaint niche]

I need to play ts

pls

[prisma solar]

ill hv an mvp by tmrw or somn 😭😭😭 idfk

[prisma solar]

Acc its just that I typed it out fast and completely ignored autocomplete

assuming it was the previous method name

[stuck granite]

wowee mama 😻

[tribal lava]

is thi the granny game 🙏

[quaint niche]

Yes twin

Next big hit

[prisma solar]

it is 😭

nahh u like what u see dont u

[tribal lava]

👁️

no

[prisma solar]

all that movement back there got u mesmerized

[tribal lava]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-cat-ai-douyin-gif-154411060825089158

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

[cloud stump]

can i like activate ragdoll on npcs amd then ragdoll them for like 2 secondsand then let them stand up again

[quaint niche]

.Ragdoll(npc)
task.delay(2, function()
.Unragdoll(npc)
end)

[cloud stump]

peak

[solid holly]

still waiting on that chrono compatible 🙏

[quaint niche]

exams 😔

[green grove]

LOLL

[cloud stump]

does this ragdoll module use custom hitboxes like instead of the actual character limbs and body parts?

[quaint niche]

actual character

might make an option to make custom hitboxes

probably in 2.0

[cloud stump]

ooh well can i modify it tho

like change the code myself

[quaint niche]

you can always insert hitboxes yourself and disable collissions on the limbs

[cloud stump]

yes on r6?
'

[quaint niche]

yeah on any rig

[cloud stump]

custom rig too???

[quaint niche]

yeah

[cloud stump]

thats so good

my physics on my game keeps lagging like so much sometimes i dont know if its because of my dookie ahh ragdoll system or smth else

[solid holly]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-fortnite-reaction-ninja-low-taper-fade-gif-1784137995500051652

[quaint niche]

exams done gonna start working on 2.0

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279496056018833489/1307358190807154811/togif-1.gif

[quaint niche]

NetworkOwner is

• Client: Setting humanoid state (from client) replicates to everyone
• Server: Setting humanoid state (from server) replicates to only other clients

It seems like humanoids under Player.Character are special

and behaves slightly different

• Player.Character humanoids always replicate the state that was set to all other clients.
• Server can never replicate state of humanoids to other clients.

even if the network owner is correct

which means docs are wrong

not like fully wrong like but slightly misleading

for some reason the local character preserves the local humanoid state

until network owner is set back to the local character

even if you give network owner to server and set the humanoid state it will hold onto the state it has and will remember it when network owner is given back

okay okay I think I got it

it's just based on network owner but with one caveat which is the state is never replicated back to the local character

is this is a specific property of being Player.Character

yes it is

confirmed

otherwise it's always set to the network owners decision

but if it's Player.Character it will preserve the state that is on the local client

[hearty horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-yeah-right-ishowspeed-yeah-ishowspeed-right-ishowspeed-stream-gif-2870397197282141259

[quaint niche]

should I make a pr to the docs

🤑

[hearty horizon]

roblox contributor 🤑

[quaint niche]

it's here

holy smokes

this will take a while

and Im cloning with --depth 1

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[quaint niche]

2.0 is alive

https://tenor.com/view/fire-write-gunna-gif-10366234518726509577

polishing right now

[hearty horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-do-you-love-god-scared-ishowseed-scared-speed-gif-25062166

[quaint niche]

Reliable Animate script compatbility ✅

no more workarounds

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145439645535064195/1479383212479352994/togif-3.gif

fixed a lot of small glitches

should be a lot more reliable

unified api for client and server

local player aware ragdoll

[hearty horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-face-rock-face-meme-sigma-gif-10018214345116099548

[quaint niche]

this is just impossible to get rid of unfortunately

I need a single frame

that's the entire workaround

Animate script works when humanoid actually changes state

which is deferred

[hearty horizon]

why task.delay tho

[quaint niche]

I can make it a :Once after humanoids are stepped

let me see if that even works

[dark spoke]

throttled delay 🔥

[quaint niche]

in theory PreSim should work

yup it works

@hearty horizon thanks bud

https://tenor.com/view/looking-at-strangers-phones-looking-at-peoples-phone-prank-magnifying-glass-phone-gif-18109698772379630859

[hearty horizon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279496056018833489/1307358190807154811/togif-1.gif

[quaint niche]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

one must imagine bro happy

[dark spoke]

?

[quaint niche]

he is the test dummy

he's been walking for the past few hours with no progress

[dark spoke]

Why he tripping over his feet

[quaint niche]

this is bros punishment

[quaint niche]

adding generic ragdolls

ragdolls with no config

lower quality but more convenient if you have a lot of different types of entities

[cloud stump]

are u gonna add custom hitboxes

[quaint niche]

hmm

Im not sure how I could add it

like how the api would look like

[cloud stump]

idk just create a new part and weld it to the character and then enable collisons when ragdoll

create a part for each limb

[quaint niche]

how do I let users not have that

since library by default works with limbs directly

also how big should each hitbox be

Im talking about actual api

maybe it can be in the config? not sure

[cloud stump]

so that you can change th size in config maybe? idk waht api is

[quaint niche]

I can't really destroy libraries current functionality

just to add a new feature

like I can't make custom hitboxes forced

I guess it can be a config yeah

like CustomHitboxes = {}

but this means for generic it won't ever work

[cloud stump]

ok idk ask ai

[dire parcel]

Did you pass, master?

[quaint niche]

Idk

hopefully 😭

[quaint niche]

2.0 done

https://tenor.com/view/looking-at-strangers-phones-looking-at-peoples-phone-prank-magnifying-glass-phone-gif-18109698772379630859

[hearty horizon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/confused-huh-baffled-z2K7UYE1mXY93NwRr9

[quaint niche]

RagdollService 2.0 is Here!

• Full Animate script compatibility
• Proper local character humanoid state management
• Generic ragdolls with no config
• No network ownership transfers
• Client can now import the module without waiting for server
• Improved R6 and R15 configs
• Bunch of other small fixes and refactor

Use github download to get the latest release.

https://tenor.com/view/word-gif-2714405651631823195

[dark spoke]

Live footage of DrSinek ending it all

[hearty horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/word-gif-2714405651631823195

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1456013037785059480/1457151391201103962/togif.gif

[quaint niche]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/827373562448445450/1478497757508669622/terrydavis_cortisol.gif

[hearty horizon]

its real

[quaint niche]

• source code is now rojo compatible

[hearty horizon]

🥹

[quaint niche]

yes twin 🌹

[hearty horizon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1425257747104006174/1456843860897698016/togif.gif

[quaint niche]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-rabbit-bnuy-bnuuy-bnnuy-gif-11715228523888400368

[hearty horizon]

isnt that also my gif

[quaint niche]

shhhh

[hearty horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-dexter-dexter-doakes-gotcha-found-you-gif-14688017774431904057

[quaint niche]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-mcgill-james-morgan-mcgill-saul-goodman-better-call-saul-breaking-bad-gif-10021037063287611865

[hearty horizon]

honestly peak

gj twin

[quaint niche]

thanks twin

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/827373562448445450/1478060754388258866/SnapInsta.to_AQNWqaOT2NydA4KrvK-GFiabLuv8xIDL56pBKOPRlMZ-6V9fBvWMOgreSaDhs0yx0FjW_3tXlYx61_ZULW3Znr6A.gif

[solid holly]

chrono compatible?

[quaint niche]

this is chrono compatible but I haven't made the chrono example

cuz it requires additional setup

[solid holly]

oh nice

ima check later

but im just wondering because I use Custom chrono mode for npc and they don't have a humanoid + their server side model is just a box for hitbox detection and the client side is rendering the real model R15

should the ragdoll work with this?

[quaint niche]

I dont use chrono for npc

but it's the same deal

create a skeleton ragdoll

and then match the visuals to it

[solid holly]

ok

ima try it later

[quaint niche]

also

for custom mode

[solid holly]

I never implemented ragdoll in my game because I was waiting for this 😭

[quaint niche]

it's a bit harder usually

[solid holly]

for Native With Lock and custom its the same right?

because I use Native With Lock for players

oh my im in class and I opened the chat in this server

who is sending all those stuff here bro

[quaint niche]

oh

If that is the base

I mean either way you'll have to create a skeleton rig

and ragdoll the original rig

and enable ROT for all entities

[solid holly]

alr ima try and see how it goes

[north tapir]

time to slap this on wally

[quaint niche]

I guess that's the only continuation 😔

[stiff ibex]

Yo Snek I'm implementing my own ragdoll system but unragdolling is flinging me
How do u handle it

[hearty horizon]

check the source

[quaint niche]

RagdollService is a great reference for passive ragdoll systems on roblox

everything is thought about

[stiff ibex]

@quaint niche yo why am i jus floating

is it activate ragdoll or ragdoll

[dark spoke]

Hitting that vape

[quaint niche]

require it from client too

@stiff ibex worked?

[stiff ibex]

Yeea

W speed

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-picks-up-water-speed-irl-stream-reaction-gif-9814325023742374348

[tribal lava]

dr sinek is also a goat

@quaint niche did you make it work with chronos?

[quaint niche]

this one is technically compatible with chrono

but does not include everything auto

@cold flax and me are working on 2 different ways to ragdoll with chrono

we will see which one will be the winner

and then I will make a tutorial

[stiff ibex]

@woven junco does the ragdoll not fling u cuz hrp is already standing up?

Yo who tf is snail

[woven junco]

Fym you pinged me nephew

[stiff ibex]

i was tryna ping @ snek

[dire parcel]

dumbass

[silent zenith]

Ayo @quaint niche

[quaint niche]

yo?

[silent zenith]

I got a question

[quaint niche]

ask away

[silent zenith]

So

I have a networking module

I made it

It's purpose right now is security and saftey

It's packet definitions type stuff

Then there another interface for pipelines

Pipelines are secure and mimic real world cyber security

Simple but yea

Player join, give token, needs token every event fire and a hash to obscure names

So yea blah blah blah

Now I've never been to familiar with compression or serilization

So first I was wondering if you could maybe teach me some data compression techniques and second, how to write a proper github read me 🥀 . TO BE CLEAR I dont need you to "code for me" when asking for data compression help.

@quaint niche

[quaint niche]

I mean why are we under #1460968896709263433

this is a ragdoll module 😭

[silent zenith]

I forgot

I can js dm u

Mb

[quaint niche]

make a #1017021795330699334 post + Im not really experienced with compression

you'll have to lookup some algos

[silent zenith]

Grahh

[silent zenith]

Alr tysm

[hearty horizon]

https://create.roblox.com/docs/reference/engine/classes/EncodingService

roblox has api to compress buffers

and if you send buffers over the network they get compressed anyway

[quaint niche]

oh neat

bruh

since when is this a thing

damn bruh

Ive been missing out

[hearty horizon]

697

october iirc

[quaint niche]

oo

nice

[hearty horizon]

so you can simplify remotetable i think

[quaint niche]

how can I tho

I don't think remote table benefits from it

[silent zenith]

W, thx

[silent zenith]

Check dms

[hearty horizon]

werent you doing hashes

[quaint niche]

I mean sha256 is overkill for my purpose

😭

Im using a fast non secure hash

[hearty horizon]

oh i thought you could use encoding service to create the hash instead of manually

[quaint niche]

I mean it is definitely possible just very very very inefficient

both bandwidth and compute speed wise

I use XXH32

facebooks hash

it's a non secure incredibly fast hash

actually one of the fastest

[hearty horizon]

ye well if they supported XXH32 you could do what i proposed

but ye gotcha

[quaint niche]

and has a unified distribution

[quaint niche]

ye ye

I get you

but I checked the methods

no XXH32 😔

not even fnv1a

and fnv1a is incredibly common

it's like 4 lines to implement

[lusty bough]

you should make the rig_type variable use the actual supported rig types and not just a string

export type RigTypes = "R6"|"R15"|"Generic"

wait i'm looking through the ragdoll test place code that might not be up to date

[quaint niche]

Yeah

2.0 is out

[quaint niche]

I cant really

Since you may have 2 different ragdoll setups for same rig

[lusty bough]

wdym

what would that change

[quaint niche]

A rig might be r15 but use a specific ragdoll config that turns you into a noodle

Or it may only ragdoll your hand

[lusty bough]

okay then you could do

export type RigTypes = "Generic"|"R6"|"R15"|string

[quaint niche]

Bruh thats an oversight on my end😭😭

• you can add types

that is not part of the license

Configs are excluded

[lusty bough]

it's okay i still love you ❤️

[quaint niche]

Also types too

Since types are not in the final code

You are free to edit them

I might make this MIT* in the future

[hearty horizon]

cuz of clean room?

[quaint niche]

Cuz I want more reach + I think I have finally learned everything there's to passive socket ragdolls on roblox

So anything people add wouldnt contribute

[lusty bough]

is it possible to have more weighty ragdolls or something instead of just flopping to the floor

i don't mean like euphoria physics or any crazy stuff

[quaint niche]

What is weighty

Weights are on each limb

If you change those ragdolls will be different

[lusty bough]

delayed falling i suppose? or like idk

y'know how when ragdolling irl your knees buckle under you

you sort of fold up

[quaint niche]

Yeah bur Idk if ball sockets can do that

[lusty bough]

is that not dependant on the twist limits or something?

[quaint niche]

Also you will defo want more scfurate rigs than r15

[quaint niche]

Yes you can play around

I mena you can make knees weakee and see what happens

You can get rid of the knockback I apply

To prevent ragdoll for standing up

Try it

[quaint niche]

I have this only for r6

R15 is unstable enough that it collapses

[lusty bough]

i think changing the physical properties of some parts could help too

like making the legs lighter and the torso heavier

and the restitution of the ball sockets or the max friction torque

i'll play around

[dark spoke]

Was MIT that good that they released MIT 2.0

[quaint niche]

Just mb

There

[clear prism]

this could be so good with pose matching functionality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWzAGTPAL1Q

this dude made the closest thing to euphoria physics i've seen in roblox

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNidsMesxSE&t=1005s and just watch this vid , it's gold . it has inspired me to make a crazy good ragdoll system , like gta 4

[quasi latch]

Is this still in dev

Inconsistent ragdoll with chrono is the only reason I don't use chrono on my games, even though they're often fast-paced enough to benefit alot from it

Would be very useful

[quaint niche]

Have you tried using their solution

[quasi latch]

Yes, it breaks in a lot of situations

Namely since they simulate gravity it tends to completely fail if it's not completely grounded

Their implementation (which is running as fast as it can, not really a them issue I don't think) only detects that the character is off the ground after they're relatively high which ends up in

Ragdoll + knockback moves up a little > gravity violently slams them downward > knockback drags back up and the entire thing breaks

It works fine for ragdoll that never aims upward at all but a solid 50% of abilities in my game have some sort of upward knockback so it's just unusable

Have been looking for an alternative for ages

[quaint niche]

There few things to note here

Currently roblox doesn't allow simulating other bodies attached to network owners that are not you

So there are 2 ways to fix this

First one is using an AlignPosition
Pros:
They get are kept in sync
Cons:
Its hard to get max forces right (like you mentioned)

Second one is using IK controls
Pros:
You can get purely client sided limb movement
It stays in sync
Cons:
Still very experimental
Goes out of sync for full body ragdolls
Simulation is done through usually a rope which doesnt look realistic and sometimes gets out of control

So this is more of a roblox limitation

I didnt have enough time to investigate IK controls method, theoretically it could be combined with the align position method for better accuracy

A third option is registering all limbs seperately as a replicating entity

[tribal lava]

@quaint niche guess who slept 9 and a half hours?!?;!!

[quaint niche]

Me

[tribal lava]

Same 🔥

[tribal lava]

That's sad

If they would make a system where when you set ownership of a player to another player

It would start a peer to peer connection

And the owner will sent data from both of the players

I think that would fix a lot of issues

[stiff ibex]

Best way is to use ik

[tribal lava]

Ay fren is also here

[tribal lava]

Ik is cool but it doesn't sync

It's very light on the server which is great

[quaint niche]

I couldn't get it to work peoperly for full body ragdolls

[tribal lava]

But as mentioned ik doesn't fully sync with server

[quaint niche]

Doesn't need to

[tribal lava]

If you do that with Chrono you are fried

From my knowledge

I haven't tested it on my own

I mean you could just not set network owner ship

Would feel shitty but would do the work

I suppose we are stuck with limitations until Roblox steps up to do something

[low laurel]

Hi I'm using rig type Generic for my Ragdolls and I have two questions

• is there a way to improve the ragdoll i.e do network owner player? (I tried doing this it made it worse idk if it was a studio only thing)
• is it normal that calling .Ragdoll makes my Recv. Go up to 10 kb/s instead of the usual 1-2?

code I used

Ragdollservice.Ragdoll(Character, "Generic")
task.Delay(Ragdolltime,function()
ragdollservice.Unragdoll(Character, "Generic")

end)

I typed this on my phone so there's some slight errors but you get the point

I already set .setup ragdoll whenever the player spawns in the map or enemy spawns in the map

[quaint niche]

please be more clear

who's getting ragdolled and if from server

if the npc is getting ragdolled from server and you wanna make it client client has to have full network ownership of them

if an enemy is getting ragdolled there's no way around it

are there any attached baseparts to any of the limbs

this is also important question

[low laurel]

1 - enemies ( in the future, maybe players)
2 - theres only 2 baseparts connected to humanoidrootpart which are hitboxes (one has cantouch other has concollide i plan on changing it to one part only in the future :p )

[low laurel]

forgot to reply ^^^^^^^

i think thats what u were asking for

[quaint niche]

I doubt those would create high recv

you didn't answer my question about who ragdolls

server?

[low laurel]

server ye

server does all the ragdoll

[quaint niche]

@low laurel you should use activeragdoll

and deactiveate ragdoll

cuz unragdoll will delete all pre created setup

that prolly creates spike

[dark spoke]

Misleading method name 😔

(depends on the context)

[low laurel]

alr

i was saying like why wouldnt you just use the same joints instead of destroying and cloning each time lol

i didnt get the difference on deforum

[quaint niche]

Idk bro DestroyRagdollAssets

didn't feel like a good name

[quaint niche]

I thought it was pretty clear

activate and deactivate

[low laurel]

maybe im 1 iq

i think this is what i gotta do

yay it works

still some recv but its 40-50% less

https://tenor.com/view/phonk-rating-approved-majed-phonk-rating-gif-9415600847712742623

[dark spoke]

FreeRagdoll 🤑

[quaint niche]

I think that's just normal replication

[lusty bough]

can you make this clone your character after death for persistent ragdolls

[quaint niche]

you can do that for your game

this remains as general purpose library

[opal ruin]

Is it just me or the module is broken when you try to play test it?

[opal ruin]

Got it to work but it ragdolls standing up

[quaint niche]

need to do it from server

for npcs

for client npcs you can do client

for everyone else it has to be server

also need to require the module from client aswell

[odd kelp]

@quaint niche i think roblox mightve lowkey reworked R15 rigs or smthn because the module just can't find the Motor6Ds and they aren't an instance in the player anymore

seems like they got replaced with "AnimationConstraints"?

[spring marsh]

It's the new change

[odd kelp]

do they work the same as Motor6Ds?

[spring marsh]

Somewhat

[odd kelp]

horrifying

[spring marsh]

You can opt out of it

It's a setting under starterPlayer

[odd kelp]

oh, how?

tysm!!

[spring marsh]

Just so you know it'll be forced soon

[odd kelp]

i know but maybe mister sinek will fix it for us by then ^_^

[spring marsh]

https://devforum.roblox.com/t/avatar-joint-upgrade-aju-phase-2-rollout-updated-migration-recommendations/4656414

[spring marsh]

it also supports ragdolls too

since it has ball constraints

[odd kelp]

oo

[spring marsh]

https://devforum.roblox.com/t/avatar-joint-upgrade-for-physically-simulated-character-movement-is-now-live/4298561

https://devforum.roblox.com/t/studio-beta-avatar-joint-upgrade-enabling-physically-simulated-characters/3266099

and this too

500 posts

[odd kelp]

wasn't this already possible?

[spring marsh]

I mean yeah

but like they're making it native

[odd kelp]

ah

[spring marsh]

I don't get why they need to make ragdolling native out of all things

[odd kelp]

probably to demonstrate the thing

[quaint niche]

don't tell me it's not for r6

[spring marsh]

R6 doesn't have it yet

[quaint niche]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-can-f-himself-annie-murphy-kcfh-kevin-can-fk-himself-kevin-can-fuck-himself-gif-9591412616187693398

yeah I aint updating till it's live

[quaint niche]

yeah I think yall don't even need external module anymore

at least not for r15

[low laurel]

Hi sir, I'd like to as what is the difference between the Generic type and creating a custom type , also how to create a custom type for my custom character models?

[crimson igloo]

whats the difference between this and the usual ragdoll service

[ashen raven]

it is live

[quaint niche]

well too bad

[quaint niche]

what

[crimson igloo]

nvm

[prisma solar]

LMAOO