Touched vs Raycast | Suphi Kaner | Page 2

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 1:51 PM

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heres proof

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in the demo, it's all in server, no client

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 1:51 PM

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did you set the parts network owner to nil?

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and move it on the server side?

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 1:52 PM

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reason 2 is not cause of that, it's just the frequency at how fast the engine event loop runs, but there's no :wait so makes no sense

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 1:52 PM

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raw oasis and move it on the server side?

suphi moment

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 1:52 PM

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raw oasis and move it on the server side?

you tell me

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 1:52 PM

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well if thats the case then only delay is reason 2

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would you like me to make you a demo of reason 2?

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 1:53 PM

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no

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physics engine works at faster rate

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parts that are falling still don't always trigger .touched

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 1:54 PM

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reason 2 is because the physics engine runs at 240hz and scripts at 60hz

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 1:54 PM

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Buddy what i say

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 1:55 PM

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so there can be 3 extra physics steps before your script will get the touch event

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 1:55 PM

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sure

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but what's the logic in you knowing it's inaccurate yourself

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 1:55 PM

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raw oasis so there can be 3 extra physics steps before your script will get the touch even...

so techincally is its more accurate but inaccurate?

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 1:55 PM

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yet you would recommend it to people

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then claim it's not inaccurate again

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LOL

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 1:56 PM

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and in them 3 extra steps the part might of moved somewhere else

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 1:56 PM

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boreal shore so techincally is its more accurate but inaccurate?

its not more accurate

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just think of it as inaccurate

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 1:56 PM

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i never said its more accurate

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raycasts are more accurate

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but touch is accurate enough

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 1:58 PM

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theres game called reaper 2 in roblox that has techinically a bug where u can hit the players from the side while u shouldnt be able to, seems like this was caused by touched!!!!

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 1:58 PM

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raw oasis i never said its more accurate

hmm yes

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 1:58 PM

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boreal shore theres game called reaper 2 in roblox that has techinically a bug where u can hi...

with enough practice* (u should only be able to hit them from the back)

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 1:59 PM

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boreal shore with enough practice* (u should only be able to hit them from the back)

this just ended up as a part of the game that u learn to do

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 1:59 PM

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yeah probably cause the programmers were lazy

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and don't check the dot product

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:01 PM

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fringe meteor and don't check the dot product

dot product of what?

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:01 PM

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difference vector projected onto the look vector

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:01 PM

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fringe meteor hmm yes

its accurate but not more accurate

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:02 PM

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changing your entire argument

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:02 PM

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touch is 99% accurate raycast is 100%

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:02 PM

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99% 💀

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:02 PM

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fringe meteor changing your entire argument

read my old messages iv said the same thing over and over

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:02 PM

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so have I

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don't try to pull that card on me

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then you claimed it's accurate

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also it's about reliablity first off

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not accuracy, poor word

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the only reason I came here was because I was told you were spreading information on .Touched being the best method to do detection with and it being better than raycast

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:04 PM

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fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:05 PM

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yes I already shut you down on that

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you claimed that other collision methods were just as bad btw

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@raw oasis

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:06 PM

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fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:06 PM

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idk how your going to randomly switch up and say raycast is more reliable

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this was your claim

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you're basically saying it also falls to the same consequence of the physics engine problem

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🤡

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:07 PM

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touch is fastest

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:08 PM

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LOL

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rejected everything, and now sticking to saying touch is faster

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:08 PM

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touch is fastest touch is 99% accurate

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:08 PM

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idk man, we would just call you an microoptimizer

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not even 99%

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like 50%

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or less

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:09 PM

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if raycast was secure then i would recommend raycasting

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:09 PM

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they are

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i already told you the inherent security flaw in .touched

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:09 PM

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but because there both have the same amount of security i pick touch

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:09 PM

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pretty much everyone here are beginners

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:10 PM

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fringe meteor they are

they would become victim to this

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:10 PM

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they would be victims if they pick raycasting

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because they wont be able to see the flaws

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:10 PM

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No cause you yourself and ici were first thinking about only checking hitbox.position

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:10 PM

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i dont check any position

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:11 PM

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ya cause you don't care about security 🤡

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or even realiblity

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you care about speed, doesn't matter how fast your game is if it doesn't even run fine in the first place LMAO

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:11 PM

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i only pick speed if there is no better option

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and raycasting is only better at accuracy

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:12 PM

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you pretty much lost your argument, everyone will just see my messages and they'll know the better method

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:12 PM

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but touch is accurate enough

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:12 PM

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fringe meteor you pretty much lost your argument, everyone will just see my messages and they'...

i dont care what others think im just trying to help you

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:13 PM

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You're the one who's the beginner here 🙄

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I've enlightened you

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remember, you're the person here who would use body movers for every bullet

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if anyone competent who comes through here will know who the credible person here was loool

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:14 PM

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i would not use body movers

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i would use apply impulse

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:14 PM

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yes

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:15 PM

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https://youtu.be/OlZk66luZYo

YouTube

Suphi Kaner

Projectile Physics - Roblox Scripting Tutorial

Discord: https://discord.gg/bEn49K5JUt
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Suphi
Donate: https://www.roblox.com/games/7532473490

ApplyImpulse: https://create.roblox.com/docs/reference/engine/classes/BasePart#ApplyImpulse

0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:33 - Create Project
0:01:29 - Script
0:08:18 - Projectile Duration
0:14:24 - Target Velocity
0:17:40 - Outro

▶ Play video

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:15 PM

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will leave dis here for people to see then

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since you aren't humilated

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by your bad practices

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:15 PM

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apply impulse is physics?

fringe meteor Apr 7, 2023, 2:16 PM

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if you have any questions, ask @fleet sun. Leaving the server cause no point in me being here, specially if there's people who are brainwashed by you

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:17 PM

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fringe meteor if you have any questions, ask <@991339221543563264>. Leaving the server cause n...

sorry you feel that way we are not here to win anything we just want to help others

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:30 PM

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oh he left thats unfortunate anywho this has been the most helpful thread for me 🙏

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:33 PM

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I believe that touch and raycast are both insecure (as they both relay on positions of parts that is set by the network owner)
I believe that if you already have a part in the game connecting a touch event to that part is pretty much free (in aspects of performance)
I believe that raycasting is 100% accurate but touch is also very accurate at detecting touches but not 100%

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:34 PM

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raw oasis I believe that touch and raycast are both insecure (as they both relay on positi...

currently i instance in a part for each time i want to detect a hit is that a good idea or do i have to switch to spatial query?

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:36 PM

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boreal shore currently i instance in a part for each time i want to detect a hit is that a go...

you bring a part in just for 1 frame to check touch then remove it?

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:36 PM

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no 1 frame*

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:37 PM

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so if you change that to spatial query you would run that every frame till the animation ends

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:37 PM

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i dont need that i only need to check once the animation is over so touched is better?

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:37 PM

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um

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would that not be the same as bringing in a part for 1 frame after the animation ends

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:37 PM

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its a wack animation

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:38 PM

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raw oasis would that not be the same as bringing in a part for 1 frame after the animation...

well yeah

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:38 PM

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boreal shore its a wack animation

so wack must happen after the animation not whilst animation

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:38 PM

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so if you want to check just 1 frame it would be faster to use spatial query

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:38 PM

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OH?

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:39 PM

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but if you want to check multiple frames then touch would be better

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:39 PM

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mannnn i gotta switch back to this

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actually it might linger for like .2 seconds or so

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forgot how i have it setup

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anywho so touched for if it lingers and spatial for a frame?

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:40 PM

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also the problem with spatial query any parts that move quickly past the query will not get detected

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but roblox touch will detect fast moving parts

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:40 PM

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this is very confusing lol

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everything has its own flaws

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:42 PM

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because the part moves so quickly by the next frame the part is now on the other side of the query

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because the part moves at 240hz

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but you can only spatial query at 60hz

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so in short
if you only checking for 1 frame use spatial query
but if your checking for multiple frame use touch

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:48 PM

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raw oasis so in short if you only checking for 1 frame use spatial query but if your check...

please make a video on this

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:49 PM

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boreal shore please make a video on this

about what exactly? the benefits of touch?

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:50 PM

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raw oasis about what exactly? the benefits of touch?

no just going through all kinds of hit detection with their pros and cons

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:50 PM

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ok

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:50 PM

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stuff like physics runs at 240z and script running at 60hz i feel like no one talks about it

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:50 PM

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yer i was going to talk about that in a video

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:51 PM

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so whilst touch detects it others wont

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:51 PM

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raw oasis yer i was going to talk about that in a video

yes yes do do

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:51 PM

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it effects more things other then touch

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:51 PM

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ive never seen anyone talk about these things

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and most people look for resources on hit detection

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:52 PM

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you mainly need to know that all hit detection can be exploited

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and only touch runs are 240hz

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:54 PM

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now i know

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i knew the 240hz thing but i thought that was a good thing not a bad thing lol

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:55 PM

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and touch does have some aspects where it is more accurate then raycast and spatial query

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yes its good

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:55 PM

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but from the video he send you can see it being inaccurate

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i think everything has its own use case?

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:56 PM

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boreal shore but from the video he send you can see it being inaccurate

do you mean the delay

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:56 PM

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raw oasis do you mean the delay

yeah

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also how would u fix that?

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:56 PM

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so when i say accurate i mean in detecting the touch

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im not talking about how long it takes for the touch to be reported

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:57 PM

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ohhh okay

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how would u fix that issue

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 2:57 PM

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so a raycast can miss a touch if a part moves in front of it to quickly

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but a touch event might not miss that touch event

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 2:59 PM

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if u take a look at this video at :01 you can see while the mouse enters the white space the other part does not, but it prints "Object"

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:00 PM

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its hard to tell because the frame rate is very slow

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:00 PM

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boreal shore if u take a look at this video at :01 you can see while the mouse enters the whi...

how would u fix this 2. is this caused by differing frame rates?

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:00 PM

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also the part might be in the part but the screen might not of updated

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:01 PM

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raw oasis also the part might be in the part but the screen might not of updated

ok yeah thats what i figured frm what ive gathered so far

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:02 PM

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so for the fastest response whoever has network ownership

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should be the one who detects the touch

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so if player1 owns the part then the touchevent should be on player1

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:04 PM

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i see

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:10 PM

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boreal shore i see

while true do
    task.wait(3)
    local part = Instance.new("Part")
    part.CustomPhysicalProperties = PhysicalProperties.new(0.7, 0.3, 0, 1, 100)
    part.Position = Vector3.new(math.random(-100, 100), 100, math.random(-100, 100))
    part.Parent = workspace
    
    local explosion = Instance.new("Explosion")
    part.Touched:Connect(function()
        part.Anchored = true
        explosion.Position = part.Position
        explosion.Parent = workspace
    end)
    game.Debris:AddItem(part, 60)
end

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put this localscript in replicatedfirst

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:12 PM

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okay

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:12 PM

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📎 Touch_Accuracy.rbxl

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here is the same code

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:14 PM

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explodes on touch

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:14 PM

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do you see a delay?

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:14 PM

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no

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:15 PM

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so when the touch happens if fires touch event in the next frame

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:16 PM

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raw oasis so when the touch happens if fires touch event in the next frame

why* does it fire it in the next frame?

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:18 PM

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boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:18 PM

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AH I SEE

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:19 PM

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boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:19 PM

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so to synchronize it do u just have to delay it by 2 frames?

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:19 PM

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boreal shore so to synchronize it do u just have to delay it by 2 frames?

no

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:20 PM

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much confused

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:20 PM

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one you cant delay the physics

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if you did a task wait then it would happen on the next green bar

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then you would be even more out of sync

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your scripts run in the green parts

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:20 PM

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oh thats horrible

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so how do u fix it?

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do u simply not?

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:21 PM

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you cant there can always be upto 3 more physics steps before the script runs

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but that delay is very small

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there can be a maximum of 0.0222222222222222 seconds delay between the physics and scripts

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:23 PM

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oh?

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theres is more delay in the video he send

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:24 PM

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boreal shore theres is more delay in the video he send

the bomb demo i sent you will have a max of 0.0222222222222222 seconds delay

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between the physics engine detecting the touch and the touch event firing

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:26 PM

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raw oasis between the physics engine detecting the touch and the touch event firing

do u remember this? https://discord.com/channels/909926338801061961/1084872156506234930

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:27 PM

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yes

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has it been fixed?

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:27 PM

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i thought this was bc the touched ran at 240hz while

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:27 PM

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raw oasis has it been fixed?

who knows 🤷

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:27 PM

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so

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see how there are 3 more physics frames

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before the touch event

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:27 PM

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yeah

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:27 PM

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well the physics engine keep moving the part in them 3 frames

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because its not anchored yet

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the script has not run yet

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:28 PM

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is there no way to fix that?

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:28 PM

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in my bomb demo

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i set PhysicalProperties.new(0.7, 0.3, 0, 1, 100)

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this stops the part from bouncing

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:29 PM

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i have no idea what that does

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:29 PM

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i set elasticity to 0 and elasticityWeight to 100

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:30 PM

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oh i see

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:30 PM

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this stops the part from bouncing

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:30 PM

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oh this is really handy lol never knew this existed

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:30 PM

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so remember the 3 frames

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normally the part will bounce in the next 3 frames

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:30 PM

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oh so it would fire how many ever times it bounces*?

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:31 PM

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then the slow script comes along and anchors the part

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:31 PM

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boreal shore oh so it would fire how many ever times it bounces*?

no

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:31 PM

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ahhhh

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oh ok

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:31 PM

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but by the time the script comes the part is no longer touching the floor

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its now bounced upto the sky

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so the part is anchored in the sky

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:32 PM

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AH I SEEEE

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:32 PM

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but this does not make touch inaccurate

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the touch is detected just fine

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its the fact that the event fires late that its delayed

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:33 PM

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u must make a video on this

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:33 PM

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i will

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:33 PM

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ive read through a lot of dev forum posts but ive never heard of this

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so basically touched runs too fast

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:33 PM

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yes

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so fast that the script cant keep up

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:34 PM

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with the amount of information ive garnered today i feel my brain expanding

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:36 PM

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its a little like fps and monitors hz

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lets say you gpu is running a game at 240 fps

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and your monitor is updating at 60 hz

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:37 PM

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oh this brings me to another thing

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so if i was to have an fps unlocker

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does that mean it'll replicate for me in synchrony?

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bc roblox is locked at 60 hz

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:37 PM

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yes a fps unlocker should reduce the delay

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:37 PM

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oh i see

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oh no wonder those tryhards beat me

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:38 PM

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ill have to test that and add it to the video

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im guessing the fps unlocker keeps the physics rate the same

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and just changes the scripts/render rate

boreal shore Apr 7, 2023, 3:39 PM

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maybe

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 3:39 PM

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ill have to test it

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anyway im going to go now

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but ill put making a touch video on the top of my list

lyric rover Apr 7, 2023, 8:41 PM

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Thank you for the series, I felt like I just watched an entire movie

raw oasis Apr 7, 2023, 8:45 PM

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lyric rover Thank you for the series, I felt like I just watched an entire movie

https://tenor.com/view/uzbek-ozbek-uzbekistan-dance-happy-gif-19356565

Tenor

ionic fable Apr 7, 2023, 10:41 PM

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lyric rover Thank you for the series, I felt like I just watched an entire movie

This is the second season my friend

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I was here for the first season as well 😭

fleet sun Apr 8, 2023, 1:18 AM

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What

fast solstice Apr 19, 2023, 2:05 PM

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I believe Touched depend on physic (240 hz)

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there's lot

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but if you're dissatisfied with the Touched result then use raycast (60 hz [because script run on 60hz])

south quarry Apr 19, 2023, 2:07 PM

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or be a ultimate sigma ligma and use both 😎

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sigma rule 69: a sigma doesn’t follow any rules

fleet sun Apr 19, 2023, 2:58 PM

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ima resort to using spatial query

fleet sun Apr 19, 2023, 4:06 PM

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on a heartbeat none the less

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raw oasis Jun 8, 2023, 6:38 AM

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Hopefully I'll have a video soon talking about this topic

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Idk why 4thAxis disparages others, really he just came off as insulted that Suphi would make tutorial vids and also disagree with him. As if he is the authority on which approach is ultimately the best and we aren't just all having a conversation

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I think it's okay to disagree on which approach is superior, but to act like there is a difference in experience between 4th and Suphi and all that just cuz they had different ideas on what would be optimal. It's just rude and he came off like a tool. I'd have to say that Suphi handled the criticism pretty well though because if I were him I'd have said we don't need toxic retarded assholes in this discord and I'd have removed him myself, evidently though he just joined literally to talk a bunch of shit and then bail 💀

raw oasis Jun 8, 2023, 2:44 PM

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i like free speech so im happy with anyone speaking to me anyway they like

steel kelp Jun 8, 2023, 2:44 PM

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I mean that's well and good unless someone is demeaning your abilities

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steel kelp Jun 8, 2023, 2:44 PM

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But I understand you have confidence in yourself 💯

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raw oasis Jun 8, 2023, 2:46 PM

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its ok i don't mind if people want to demean my abilities or cus and put me down

steel kelp Jun 8, 2023, 2:46 PM

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Alriiight but I'll chime in when it happens 😈

raw oasis Jun 8, 2023, 2:47 PM

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im just upset that they was not open to learn why raycasting is just as flawed as touch

steel kelp Jun 8, 2023, 2:48 PM

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It does suck but he didn't come here to learn anything to begin with to be fair

raw oasis Jun 8, 2023, 2:52 PM

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i would not judge if someone knows better by the years they claim to script a good way to know is to look at the evidence

somber zealot Jun 8, 2023, 2:53 PM

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raw oasis i would not judge if someone knows better by the years they claim to script a go...

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raw oasis Jun 8, 2023, 2:53 PM

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that is evidence that i know how to script but not evidence that a specific claim i make is true

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so you can use that to assume that what i say is true but it wont be 100% confirmation until you run the tests your self

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or if i make a specific video on the subject showing you the evidence for that claim

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unless i fake the video to trick you

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fleet sun Jun 19, 2023, 8:39 PM

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4th says " No idea why he’s trying to instigate specially without knowing any context. I gave a general warning about taking whatever suphi says with a small grain of salt. It’s not about what’s optimal, it’s about what works. Anyone can make tutorials over the basics. The stuff I corrected him on where encouraged practices and common standards in the Roblox industry" @somber zealot @steel kelp

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he also says "I don’t have anything against people who are wrong or aren’t knowledgeable, that’s completely fine. Suphi though just claims to have made up experience and some authority. He’s encouraging stuff like making bullets with body movers for example with .Touched. If you don’t understand the problem with this, you should try it and see what happens. Rubber-banding, performance, and inaccuracy hell"

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steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 8:55 PM

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"made up experience" my whole problem with what 4th said was that he's totally dismissive of other people's experiences just cuz they have a difference of opinion lmao

raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 8:56 PM

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I never encourage body movers for bullets but i do say use a vectorforce for rockets or if there still new to scripting i might say use align position for rockets

fleet sun Jun 19, 2023, 8:57 PM

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@fringe meteor

steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 8:57 PM

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I can't figure out where I was going with last message lmao I just think it's a bad look to come into someone else's discord and tell them their experience is made up

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Maybe he has never made a game that has mechanics that are focused around projectiles

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 8:58 PM

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I never said that, suphi basically did

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tell them their experience is made up

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 8:58 PM

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What are projectiles im new

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 8:58 PM

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The problem isn't about not knowing knowledge about projectiles

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 8:58 PM

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@steel kelp

steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 8:59 PM

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Oh I see what you're saying

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claims to have made up experience

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i didn't read that right

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Apparently I missed something

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 8:59 PM

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What are projectiles

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I'm new to scripting

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 8:59 PM

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other stuff like

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You can't really get far in game dev without knowing that stuff

steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 9:00 PM

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he may just not focus on lingo

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:00 PM

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anyone can claim when they started scripting, more so about their practical backgrounds

steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 9:00 PM

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it's not like he doesn't sanity check stuff that is common sense to sanity check

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:00 PM

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What r projectiles??

raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:00 PM

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fringe meteor or not knowing what sanity checks are

im not sure why you think raycasting is able to have more sanity checks over touch

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:00 PM

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when did I say that

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i said it inherently does yeah?

steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 9:01 PM

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shadow hound What r projectiles??

like a bullet

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shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:01 PM

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oh

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So like

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Flying things

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:01 PM

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the main problem just is with .Touched as a hitbox method

steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 9:01 PM

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eh kinda

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:01 PM

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or smthn

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or stuff you shoot

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:01 PM

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bullets go pretty fast traditionally

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:01 PM

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like that you apply a force to

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really just stuff that has a drop arc like physics based

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:01 PM

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oh

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We're doing physics in school

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Do you do like F = ma

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Or smthn

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:01 PM

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if you don't believe my word for how inaccurate hit was, or my experience. Take other people's experience for it

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https://devforum.roblox.com/t/how-to-deal-with-inconsistent-touched-events/1936344
https://devforum.roblox.com/t/touched-not-accurate-at-all/1595030
https://devforum.roblox.com/t/touched-event-firing-too-early/294747
https://devforum.roblox.com/t/touched-event-firing-too-early/294747/7
https://devforum.roblox.com/t/inconsistencies-in-damage-over-time-while-touching-a-part/1983508

Developer Forum | Roblox

How to deal with inconsistent touched events

I want to create a system where players run through gates and get awarded with coins etc. I am currently using CollectionService as I have 500 gates. In my game players travel at high walk speeds at over 10k+. When a speed of about 2k or over is reached the touched event on the level gates sometimes doesn’t register. This is my script: local ...

Developer Forum | Roblox

.Touched not accurate at all

Ok so I’ve been having this godawful issue in my game for the past couple of days, and I still have no Idea how to fix it. Basically, what my script is, is that when the cannonball is touched, spawn an explosion at the position at the cannonball. For some reason, it’s getting the position of where the cannonball was like a quarter of a second ag...

Developer Forum | Roblox

Touched event firing too early?

Hello there, I am having an issue where my projectiles kinda seem like they are firing their touched event too early. So I have projectiles flying from around 400 studs (Y-Axis Specifically) to 0-10 studs, this is done with the roblox physics engine with the part being un-anchored. I made it so that when the projectile hits the baseplate part ca...

Developer Forum | Roblox

Touched event firing too early?

This is a problem with roblox replication. Instead of using a .Touched event, I’d do something like: local connection connection = game:GetService"RunService".Heartbeat:Connect(function() local ray = Ray.new(part.Position, Vector3.new(0, -1, 0) * 3) local hitPart, hitPos = workspace:FindPartOnRay(ray) if hitPart and hitPart.CanColli...

Developer Forum | Roblox

Inconsistencies in damage over time while touching a part

Hello everyone, im trying to create a script that damages the player over time while they are in contact with a part. Simple enough. This particular script checks for a hitbox that is spawned and welded to the player when they enter the game, double checks to be sure we are not already ticking damage on them, then begins a while true loop that...

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it's about factoring in the gravity component vector and also applying a directional vector

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blah blah

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really you should just learn it in physics 1

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or go watch a super basic trajectory tutorial

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https://youtu.be/o-G8A0fyLg8

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4th Axis

When the axis students pull up to a server edit

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4th told me to send this

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to intimidate you

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:02 PM

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no i didnt

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shadow hound to intimidate you

did it work @steel kelp

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shadow hound https://youtu.be/o-G8A0fyLg8

Bro I love one punch

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i think 4thaxis is one punch man

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he says he is in the video

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Nah y'all don't intimidate me you should invite me to your discord tho

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:03 PM

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kinda convincing argument maybe...

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discord.gg/robloxstudio

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:04 PM

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shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:04 PM

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Can you not photoshop dms please

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It's really rude.

steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 9:05 PM

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Blue guy crackheadery

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:05 PM

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shadow hound It's really rude.

https://gyazo.com/54e94f9a42c6c80f042d3153847ae75b.mp4

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fringe meteor https://gyazo.com/54e94f9a42c6c80f042d3153847ae75b.mp4

Stop editting videos to fake DMs... its not funny or cool m8.

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:06 PM

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yes

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:06 PM

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Stop it.

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4thaxis when suphi kaner claims touched > raycast

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hmmm

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:08 PM

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I heard 4thAxis made the fastest camera module written for Roblox

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You better back down, mate.

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Developer Forum | Roblox

The Fastest Camera System You'll Probably See Written For Roblox!

Fast-Camera-Systems Probably the most optimized and fastest Camera you’ll find written for the Roblox engine. Pretty easy to use. Might write up an article explaining the math (if I’m not lazy)… Get The Module Here! Github rbxm FastCameraSystem.rbxm (13.5 KB) Model Fast-Camera-System - Roblox Camera Modes Over-The-Shoulder Top-Do...

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There was this kid that said he optimized it but tbh... I think hes a faker or something

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raw oasis i would not judge if someone knows better by the years they claim to script a go...

How are these guys going to claim i'm "retarded" if I also did the same thing and " look at the evidence"

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pro

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:11 PM

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Isn't retarded a swear word

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Should they be banned?

steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 9:12 PM

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Really my problem is with toxicity in general

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:12 PM

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where's the toxicity

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:12 PM

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Kill yourself

steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 9:12 PM

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I don't think retarded is the right word since anyone capable of engaging with programming as a topic is obviously not retarded

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All I'm saying someone is pretending to be knowledgeable and all that is really reductive

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I was diagnosed with minor retardation but I can program kinda

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I have 67 IQ

steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 9:13 PM

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yeah right

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:13 PM

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steel kelp All I'm saying someone is pretending to be knowledgeable and all that is really ...

Iz alright, maybe suphi will gain experience one day

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🙏

steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 9:14 PM

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We all have different experience bro

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:14 PM

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i'm referring to practical experience

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shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:14 PM

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You seem really egotistical

steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 9:14 PM

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Plenty of the topics he's discussed are practical

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:14 PM

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m8

steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 9:14 PM

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me?

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:14 PM

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No

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The other one

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:14 PM

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steel kelp Plenty of the topics he's discussed are practical

like what

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:14 PM

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@fringe meteor *

fleet sun Jun 19, 2023, 9:15 PM

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Yo

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:15 PM

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i don't watch his youtubes or anything

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fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:15 PM

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but teaching how to use like, if statements or whatever is stuff anyone can do with general programming knowledge

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:15 PM

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I dont think you need to have made a game to have experience in game development.

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:15 PM

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knowing theory is one thing

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:15 PM

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Plenty of people are capable of gaining experience by building frameworks and libraries to assist game developers on Roblox.

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He's got very good beginner tutorials on how to setup roblox physics projectiles, setting up a lobby interface, his infinite scripter plugin is also pretty dope

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It uses parallel luau to do fast chunk loading

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:16 PM

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how to setup roblox physics projectile
Probably cool to mess around for beginners

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fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:16 PM

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but that's not really applied in real games tho, if you have an FPS game for example

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:16 PM

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4thAxis says suphi kaner has no experience

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Idk why...

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@somber zealot

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:16 PM

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pretty much none from what he said before

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also @shadow hound is just trolling lol

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steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 9:17 PM

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I think Suphi is capable of understanding why your approach is superior, I think his hangup is with Touched being as spoofable as raycasting

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:17 PM

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I'm not trolling

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You literally said he has no experience.

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:17 PM

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fringe meteor Iz alright, maybe suphi will gain experience one day

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raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:17 PM

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i recently changed my mind

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:17 PM

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more about one thing working

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over the other

raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:18 PM

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i now think touch is more secure then raycasting

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:18 PM

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i already told him that he'll have to deal with 100+ more debates from programmers on why touched sucks lol

raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:19 PM

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raycasting can only be as secure as touch if you have it delayed like fastcast

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:19 PM

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fringe meteor

also nvm, I thought shinji asked about games in Roblox

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:19 PM

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raw oasis raycasting can only be as secure as touch if you have it delayed like fastcast

delayed?

steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 9:19 PM

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suphi really needs to make a video on touched based projectiles is what I'm gathering from this

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:19 PM

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how about he makes an FPS game using touched on bullets instead

steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 9:19 PM

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that is true

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would also be a good litmus test

raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:20 PM

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fringe meteor how about he makes an FPS game using touched on bullets instead

im not a FPS kind of guy im a RPG guy

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:20 PM

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What if we just made two games then

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An FPS with touched

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An FPS with raycast

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Compare the gameplay

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That would be the end all way to settle this silly little debate

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steel kelp Jun 19, 2023, 9:20 PM

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Simplest way would be to make one game that can switch between the two systems in a single server

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:20 PM

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raw oasis im not a FPS kind of guy im a RPG guy

im both, rpg doesn't have crazy flying fast objects. But that inaccuracy will be there still

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raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:20 PM

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shadow hound Compare the gameplay

raycast can have the same gameplay as touch

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:21 PM

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can?

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raycast you'll know will be good

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its about touched keeping up looool

raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:22 PM

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touch would be more accurate then raycasting but a player would not feel the difference

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:22 PM

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yes seems like we should deprecate raycasts honestly

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:23 PM

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Fr muzan

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:23 PM

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touched clearly superior

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no need for any other hit detection method

raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:24 PM

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raw oasis

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shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:25 PM

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fringe meteor

Are you retard

somber zealot Jun 19, 2023, 9:25 PM

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raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:26 PM

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somber zealot One message removed from a suspended account.

almost

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:26 PM

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raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:26 PM

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just need to make the thumbnail

shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:26 PM

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🗿

somber zealot Jun 19, 2023, 9:26 PM

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raw oasis just need to make the thumbnail

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raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:26 PM

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😛

somber zealot Jun 19, 2023, 9:26 PM

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raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:26 PM

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still datastore

somber zealot Jun 19, 2023, 9:27 PM

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raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:27 PM

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1 more datastore after this video

fringe meteor Jun 19, 2023, 9:27 PM

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ping me for the drop 🔥

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raw oasis 1 more datastore after this video

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raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:28 PM

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somber zealot One message removed from a suspended account.

not daily but maybe 2 times a week

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raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:28 PM

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whos asimo?

somber zealot Jun 19, 2023, 9:29 PM

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raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:29 PM

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oh cool what did he say?

somber zealot Jun 19, 2023, 9:29 PM

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raw oasis oh cool what did he say?

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shadow hound Jun 19, 2023, 9:29 PM

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He said raycasting is better than touched

raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:29 PM

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ok

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raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:34 PM

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not in my datastore videos

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but i will in my other videos

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raw oasis Jun 19, 2023, 9:36 PM

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mainly debugging in the datastore module

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and like how to show a indicator to the client when the datastore is having connection problems

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raw oasis Jun 20, 2023, 8:07 AM

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📎 TouchVsRay.rbxl

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here is a demo that shows how touch is more accurate then rays

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You can change the projectiles height to effect the test

raw oasis Jun 20, 2023, 8:26 AM

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at some heights the projectile will be in sync with the ray and the ray will detect it but there are some heights where they wont be in sync and the ray wont be able to detect it

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some height the ray fails to detect are 80/200/600/800

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some heights where touch will fail to detect are 500/1400

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but you will see that the falling part needs to be going a around 4x faster before touch starts to fail vs rays and this is because touch runs at 240hz and rays can only run at 60hz so the ray is missing positions the falling part has entered

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if we imagen this is the ball falling down
the ray will only be able to detect the ball when its red but touch will be able to detect the ball when its red or green

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so for instance when you set the height to 100 the ray will start to work this is because the red part happens to fall in the ray as it passes but if you set the height to 80 the red part is no longer inside the ray and it will fail to detect

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Tenor

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fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 4:23 AM

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what will I ever do to educate this man

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I don't know how to ever get through your head. I think starting over would be nice? Maybe writing you a concise full essay might help you understand? Before I settle this argument once and for all. Let me first explain my own background:

I am not here to prove superiority over you, I couldn't care less who you are. Whatever preferences get suppressed by project requirements e.g following a specific style of doing something.
I also would normally just ignore people like you, but clearly that's just wrong to allow you to give people bad advice as someone who publically teaches people.
I don't think any of us should even mention any professional background to prove authority over someone, that's just stupid. I believe in logic and proof.
Formal/lengthy arguments are also stupid, I just tell people stuff in simple words so no one needs knowledge to understand what I'm saying.

we need to also understand common goals and ideologies:

We both have pretty big influence over people, we all genuinely want to preach good advice. You should admit when you are wrong and start adovcating for the latter.

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Common preliminary information we should all understand:

"the same is true with ray casts if your moving the origin or the ray to quickly you will have gaps", I've explained this before, you just make the length of the ray equal to the actual distance they move, very simple.
Sanity checking: is when you are basically checking on the server if something hasn't been spoofed, that's the general definition.
Replication lag: Basically network latency from high-ping. The average ping is like 60-90.
Replication/network rate: Roblox's networking internally is really janky, it's where all latency in Roblox games actually comes from. We DO NOT have 60hz networking yet exactly. Some 20-40hz bullcrap.

Property            Value
ClientPhysicsSendRate     20
DataGCRate             20
DataSendRate            30
NetworkOwnerRate     10
PhysicsSendRate     20
ReceiveRate             60
TouchSendRate           10
-- Remotes are also sent at 20hz

(https://devforum.roblox.com/t/are-there-any-replication-methods-that-are-faster-than-the-standard-20-hz-remotes/168634/8)
(https://devforum.roblox.com/t/20-hz-runservice-event/641090)

How fast does Physics engine actually calcalute, Physics aren't always 240hz! Fixed-stepped 240hz for physics is actually tolling on performance. Most games on Roblox now use adaptive timestepping which is 2.5x more faster with performance! That means that stuff parts can be moving at 60 hz instead of 240hz because those calcalutions are very simple.

Developer Forum | Roblox

Are there any replication methods that are faster than the standard...

Then fire the remote once with the start and end of the bullet, and interpolate it on every client. No need to fire that often.

Developer Forum | Roblox

20 Hz RunService Event

Currently on Roblox, it’s too hard to set up a 20Hz game loop on the server side. IIRC, remote functions and events / replication happens 20 times a second, whereas Heartbeat is fired 30 times a second (roughly): Since I don’t want to be using more CPU time than necessary, I want to update my game objects on the server at 20Hz rather than 3...

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Roblox's distributed Physics System: "Roblox uses a distributed physics system in which clients have custody over the physical simulation of objects in their control, typically the player's character and unanchored objects near that character. Additionally, through the use of third party software, exploiters can run arbitrary Lua code on the client to manipulate their client's data model and decompile and view code running on it."

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Now that we actually have background knowledge, it should be clear what's wrong with your test. People aren't using .touched because it's faster (no idea how you even benchmarked this LOL), it's cause again .Touched isn't reliable at all to begin with since it doesn't always fire. This was extremely more notorious in the old days (Roblox had poor geometry numerical robustness and instability), it's still a problem now because of the fact that Roblox uses a distributive physics engine. That's not going to go well with your physics based hitboxes lol because the physics engine is always fighting over which player gets network ownership. That causes issues like this:
https://gyazo.com/918c404f5e6bb39c859e53c57f8e62da.mp4 (see the sudden jerk from 166-167, red outline means it's server owned or by another player, green is client ownership)

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If you want to know what would happen in a real game with that little test you sent, watch what happens when you set incoming lag replication in studio to a very small modest ~0.2:
Notice the desync:
https://gyazo.com/232e20f7a020d8680e590d9674956e0e.mp4

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This is what happens over time with just 2 clients fighting for physics ownership:
https://gyazo.com/e39fbca5e6d6830bda9a344f8718e8b8.mp4 (~0.2 replication lag still)
Player 2 is clearly missing .touched triggers lol

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Lol good luck deciding to lock ownership to server, nice way to kill physics smoothness for everyone

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Roblox even warns you not to

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lets see how your little physics based fps game goes

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this is why people raycast and do microstepping/swept collision on stuff like falling parts for example

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I also don't still understand what you mean by .touched being secure? I've already told you, what you going to do if I just setnetworkowner of the part and run away with the hitbox lol

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Also idk where you're going with client only projectile physics LOL

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Here's a tl;dr:
.Touched:

Inaccurate, doesn't trigger, replication lag will cause you problems.
Suphi claims its the fastest, but this bafoon doesn't even know how to benchmark it even properly
It's inherently insecure, synaspe have built-in "firetouchinterest" to exploit .touched so you need to be careful with how you set up your networking model. You can alternatively, setnetworkownership of the .touched part and just remove it
Unstable
100s of posts and articles on .Touched malicious
Discourged by every professional programmer you'll meet.
Harder to do latency compensation for .Touched based hitboxes, can't extrude/extrapolate/offset forward
Why raycast better:
You can raycast as often as you want. Raycast's benefit is that it's very controllable, physics is not, stuff just bounces sometimes
Accurate and precise.
Roblox even added shapecasts if you want specific type of shapes.
flexability
maintainability
no inherent physics bugs
Professional and encourged standard for hitbox/collision detection

steel kelp Jun 21, 2023, 5:11 AM

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I'd say that was a pretty convincing wall of text

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@raw oasis may have trouble arguing his way outta this one..... Smile

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I can't figure out how to verify in the RSC discord not to be tangential I just can't seem to get it to offer me the option

somber zealot Jun 21, 2023, 6:34 AM

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raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 6:34 AM

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fringe meteor Also idk where you're going with client only projectile physics LOL

This is not the problem of touch but the problem of replication

That's why I would have the client spawn the projectile and have the client tell the server what the projectile hit or I would have the network owner locked to the shooter and the shooter would be handling touch in a localscript

So network ownership is not a problem and how quickly the part replicates is not a problem because the shooter is the one who will be detecting the touch not the server and not the other clients

It's true that recently Roblox turned on adaptive timestepping by default and this will make physics run between 60 120 and 240 Hz but for fast moving parts Roblox should be running at 240 Hz I personally have not tested to see how well Roblox detects fast moving parts like projectiles but I would assume all projectiles should be running at 240hz even with adaptive timestepping enabled

But setting adaptive timestepping to fixed for FPS games might be a good idea

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So tldr

Touch is more accurate
Touch has better performance
Physics based projectiles are more secure (can be done with touch or raycast but easier to do with touch)

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And the way it works is

the shooter has network ownership of the projectile
the shooter tells the server what the projectile hit

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:39 AM

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And when it comes to professional background iv never tried to use my past to prove anything I'm not running around here trying to prove anything about my self I'm just here to try and help people
I'm perfectly happy saying that I don't work as a programmer/scripter and that I worked as a dustbin man and that programming and scripting is just my hobby
and i have no problem saying that I started Roblox around 2019 where many people in this discord have been using Roblox longer then me
and i have no problem changing my mind when I'm wrong for instance someone told me something about GetPartsInPart that i had incorrect information about and i changed my mind when i tested that they was correct

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:40 AM

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So network ownership is not a problem and how quickly the part replicates is not a problem because the shooter is the one who will be detecting the touch not the server and not the other clients
"d how quickly the part replicates is not a problem" you are never supposed to replicate the client-spawned bullet loool

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:40 AM

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fringe meteor > So network ownership is not a problem and how quickly the part replicates is n...

you can replicate more then 1 bullet when the player enters the game

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and make the client reuse the same replicated bullets

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:42 AM

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" and that programming and scripting is just my hobby", which is why you'll have scripters come along with professional backgrounds to come correct you, that's what a community is lol

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:42 AM

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raw oasis you can replicate more then 1 bullet when the player enters the game

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can you describe how you would handle your fps networking then

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:42 AM

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fringe meteor " and that programming and scripting is just my hobby", which is why you'll have...

well if you can prove what you say is correct id be happy to change my mind

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:43 AM

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i did lol

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:43 AM

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fringe meteor i did lol

that is your belief

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:43 AM

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the belief and standard of thousands of other developers, sure

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so if you're spawning bullets on your client, how exactly are you replicating them then

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""d how quickly the part replicates is not a problem""

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why are you saying this then

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:44 AM

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fringe meteor the belief and standard of thousands of other developers, sure

just like how many years you have been scripting or how many developers belive in it does not change if a fact is true or false

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every fact has to stand on its own feet

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:45 AM

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cool, let's believe in someone claiming there's aliens

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:45 AM

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fringe meteor so if you're spawning bullets on your client, how exactly are you replicating th...

so there is 2 options 1 the server spawns the bullet and sets the network owner to the client or the client spawns the bullet and its not replicated but can be replicated using remotes

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:46 AM

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the latter is the standard and the former wouldn't work properly with your .touched idea

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:46 AM

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fringe meteor cool, let's believe in someone claiming there's aliens

yer because if every developer believed that aliens are true you would believe it

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:46 AM

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people believe in facts

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people are influenced by people with authority

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:46 AM

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fringe meteor people believe in facts

not all people

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:46 AM

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mkay

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I think we just call them ignorant people

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:48 AM

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well no one thinks there ignorant every one thinks there own belief is true or they would not believe in them

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but if 1000 people believe in the same thing this does not prove what they believe is true

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:48 AM

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yeah we also call that dulesionalism

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:49 AM

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raw oasis well no one thinks there ignorant every one thinks there own belief is true or t...

^

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:49 AM

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raw oasis but if 1000 people believe in the same thing this does not prove what they beli...

so if facts nor authority persuade you, you are clearly just ignorant or something else

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:49 AM

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i belive touch is better then ray you belive ray is better then touch

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:49 AM

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okay, but why are you dodging questions though

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:49 AM

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if you can prove to me ray is better ill change my mind

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:50 AM

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fringe meteor the latter is the standard and the former wouldn't work properly with your .touc...

^

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:50 AM

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fringe meteor okay, but why are you dodging questions though

what question i might of missed it

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:50 AM

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raw oasis if you can prove to me ray is better ill change my mind

i cant then, your mind is unchangable

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u don't believe in proved facts

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or authority

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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those are the people i cant help

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.Touched is fine for beginners, but they'll encounter problems later on

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:51 AM

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well i believe i can prove that touch is better then rays

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:51 AM

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they are later encourged to switch to professional methods anyways

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ok you can believe in what you want

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don't know why you won't logically explain your processes for approaching hit detection for practical scenarios

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:51 AM

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and i dont mind you believing what you want

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:52 AM

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when it just comes down to beliefs, no one would care to believe in what you believe if you have no credability in the first place

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:53 AM

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fringe meteor don't know why you won't logically explain your processes for approaching hit de...

its simple
the client owns parts
the client moves the parts
the client detects when the part hits another part
the client sends a remote event to the server telling it that they hit a part

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:54 AM

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fringe meteor when it just comes down to beliefs, no one would care to believe in what you bel...

im not here trying to make people believe in me if they choose to believe in me or not thats there choice

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if people ask for help ill try and help them

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:54 AM

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then why are you talking about .touched vs raycast

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:55 AM

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someone asked what is better and i told them my belief

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:55 AM

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raw oasis its simple the client owns parts the client moves the parts the client detects w...

cool, where's your built-in collision filtering

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https://devforum.roblox.com/t/collisiongroup-filtering-for-touched-events/791662/3

Developer Forum | Roblox

CollisionGroup Filtering For Touched Events

with the introduction of :Once() connections, we need this more than ever… OnTouch = parent.Hitbox.Touched:Once(function(hit) if not hit:IsDescendantOf(script.Car.Value) then Touching(hit) else Touching() end end) say for example this is in a car’s hitbox, and the problem is it would collide once with the car’s tires and never run ag...

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:55 AM

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now its down to them to choose if they accept what i say or not

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:55 AM

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seems like they ignored this guy

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:56 AM

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raw oasis its simple the client owns parts the client moves the parts the client detects w...

but um, how exactly do you intend to hit trigger for other physics owned stuff

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:57 AM

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fringe meteor cool, where's your built-in collision filtering

i dont have built in collision filtering im not sure whats your point

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 7:58 AM

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raw oasis i dont have built in collision filtering im not sure whats your point

It's common to add whitelist/blacklist for collision filtering

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 7:59 AM

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fringe meteor It's common to add whitelist/blacklist for collision filtering

when the bullet hits something before the client sends the event to the server it would first make sure its a valid target but true touch does not have filtering but i don't see why we need it in this case

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:00 AM

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so you don't trigger .touched on your own character

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with raycast, you don't need to worry about that

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:01 AM

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i would have touched on the bullet

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:01 AM

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yeah? So what, you'll spawn it offsetted 2 studs forward?

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:01 AM

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and each client has touched on there own bullet

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:01 AM

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ok but how do you make it so you don't trigger .touched on your own player

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or the gun it comes out of then

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that's what I'm refering to when I say collision filtering

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:02 AM

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inside the touch event you check who it touched and if its a valid target you send a remote event to the server

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if its not a valid target you dont send the event

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:02 AM

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"g but i don't see why we need it in this case "

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yes that's why you need it

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raycast has it all built-in

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and spatial params or any other method, but we're talking about raycasting here

somber zealot Jun 21, 2023, 8:03 AM

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fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:03 AM

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you said you use .touched cause of performance right? Seems countradictary here

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:03 AM

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somber zealot One message removed from a suspended account.

the difference it's done internally on the C++ side

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:03 AM

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fringe meteor you said you use .touched cause of performance right? Seems countradictary here

each client has touch for there own bullet

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:03 AM

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not in Lua-land

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:03 AM

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the server wont receive the touch event

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:04 AM

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that doesn't solve your collision filtering problem though

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:04 AM

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raw oasis inside the touch event you check who it touched and if its a valid target you se...

you can only solve it through doing checks

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making sure you didn't fire .touched off of the local player character's children

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btw you did understand why your .touched benchmark was flawed right?

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well you were talking about connecting anyways. Connecting to a listener is the same for everything lol

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if you have a game with 100 bullets traveling per frame on server with touch, that would actually be more expensive

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than raycasting

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:07 AM

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fringe meteor making sure you didn't fire .touched off of the local player character's childre...

yes but this might only trigger at most once when the bullet is first places

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:07 AM

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you understand the .touched collision process right?

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:07 AM

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fringe meteor btw you did understand why your .touched benchmark was flawed right?

what benchmark the one i did at the top of the post?

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:08 AM

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raw oasis yes but this might only trigger at most once when the bullet is first places

it's not about how many times you trigger, it's about a blacklist collision filtering

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:08 AM

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raw oasis what benchmark the one i did at the top of the post?

ya

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raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:10 AM

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fringe meteor ya

if we ignore the part and isolate the touch detection then touch is faster then doing a raycast

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:10 AM

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ok, how would you benchmark that

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:11 AM

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i never but touch still won even when i never isolated it

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i can isolate the physics

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but not the parts

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:11 AM

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lol what is it winning

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if there's no benchmarking

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:11 AM

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if you give me some time i can send you a project with the benchmark

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:12 AM

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i don't want you to waste your time, can you explain how you would benchmark it so I can make sure yk how to do it

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:12 AM

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ok so if you have 1000 parts and they all have touch events

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then all 1000 parts are detecting touch correct?

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:12 AM

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mmm?

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you're basically measuring the event loop speed then LOL

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:13 AM

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?

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are they or are they not all detecting touch?

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internally roblox is detecting touch for all 1000 parts

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then you would simply do 1000 raycasts

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:15 AM

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how would you know that lol

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:15 AM

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and then use the microprofiller to see what used more cpu time

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:15 AM

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do you not see what you just said

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:15 AM

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fringe meteor do you not see what you just said

and then use the microprofiller to see what used more cpu time

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and this is not even a fare test for touch

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:16 AM

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raw oasis internally roblox is detecting touch for all 1000 parts

"internally roblox is detecting touch for all 1000 parts" vs raycasting once or continously for swept/stepped

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According to you that Roblox is always detecting and listening for collision on a part, Roblox has to do convex hull x convex hull collision

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vs raycasting which is just ray x convex hull collision

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the algrothim is way cheaper for raycast detection

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:18 AM

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fringe meteor According to you that Roblox is always detecting and listening for collision on ...

what ever Roblox is doing does not matter the result speaks for it self

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roblox can do 4 touch checks quicker then you can do 1 raycast

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and thats what my benchamark shows

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:19 AM

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ya man, measure the time it takes to connect to a signal. Not like that's the same for connecting to any signal

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how are you even benchmarking loooooool

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:20 AM

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im not measuring anything

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im useing cpu time

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i have 1000 parts updating at 240hz

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and i have 1000 rays

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i check to see what one uses more cpu time

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:21 AM

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you can't actually benchmark that, you realize it's impossible from Lua right? The only way to come close is doing your own physics math tests by calcaluting the time it takes for a part to collide with another part, then measuring how far off the time it took to fire the .touched. But this all depends on Roblox's event loop too

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:21 AM

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i can benchmark it and i did

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:21 AM

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measuring cpu or benchmarking time

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measuring Roblox's engine stuff is really inaccurate

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:22 AM

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fringe meteor measuring Roblox's engine stuff is really inaccurate

i dont believe this

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:22 AM

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ok i'll give you an example

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actually nvm, you were the bafoon who wrote those tests in the first place 😭

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:22 AM

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😛

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the microprofiller is a good way to benchmark things that happen behind the scenes

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and it directly corelates to frame rate

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:24 AM

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raw oasis i dont believe this

Roblox always has stuff running in the background. The only way is to just campare a large amount of entities to something

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but i don't think you even understand the point lol

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:24 AM

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yes you have to do lots to see the effect in the microprofiler

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:25 AM

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you should go measure 100 bullets being shot and moved by the physics engine every frame on the server with .touched and with your body movers vs just cframming a bullet + raycasting along the trajectory step

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look at stats

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:25 AM

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i mesured 20000 parts in my benchmark

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:25 AM

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that are anchored?

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:26 AM

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fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:26 AM

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why are you randomly measuring 20k parts

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:26 AM

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20k parts welded to a falling part

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:27 AM

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you realize they would share the same assembly

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:27 AM

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yes

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:27 AM

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so why are you welding

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:27 AM

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thats how i isolate the physics from the touch

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:27 AM

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what

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why

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:28 AM

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im trying to mesure touch detection on its own

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but i mesured both with physics and without physics

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touch won in both cases if i remember correctly

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:28 AM

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what are you even camparing it to

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edits to " if i remember correctly" 💀

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:29 AM

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fringe meteor what are you even camparing it to

how are you also raycasting

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i don't know why you aren't thinking practically lol

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idk how we derailed to performance, we were supposed to be talking about how you would try to handle your own collision detection in your own application

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:30 AM

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i found the results

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20000 parts welded to a moving part running at 240hz this would mean 80000 at 60hz
4000 parts moving to physics running at 240hz this would mean 16000 at 60hz
9000 GetPartBoundsInBox with a size of 32,32,32 running at 60hz
9000 GetPartBoundsInRadius with a radius of 32 running at 60hz
5000 rays that are 64 studs long running at 60hz

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if we isolate the physics then 20000 parts is around the same as 5000 raycasts

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:31 AM

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what does 80k mean

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or 16k mean

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what are your results even

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80k at?

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:32 AM

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if we dont isolate the physics then touch is around 4000 parts vs 5000 raycasts

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but this is at 240hz

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if we use Adaptive timestepping and the part is moving at 60hz then performances will get better for touch

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:33 AM

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why are you ignoring what I said

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i don't understand how saying random numbers is going to influence anyone

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:33 AM

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fringe meteor why are you ignoring what I said

what did you say?

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:34 AM

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what is 80k suppsed to mean

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clock cycles?

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:34 AM

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80k would be the amount of parts we should be able to support if the part is running at 60hz

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:34 AM

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what are you saying

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:34 AM

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but 20k if the part is running at 240hz

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:35 AM

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what are you supporting? What?

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:35 AM

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so 5000 rays is the baseline

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lets say 5000 rays use 1 second of cpu time

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now i will keep adding parts until the parts also use 1 second of cpu time

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and 20000 parts running at 240hz is the same as 5000 rays running at 60hz

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they both use 1 second of cpu time (well it might not be 1 second i cant remember the value i used as the baseline when testing but its normally just before i start losing frames)

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yes its not 100% accurate because CPU time will fluctuate a little based on other things happening in the background but its good enough to tell us what one is faster then the other

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if your just doing 1 raycast without any visual effect then raycast will be faster
but if we look at the raw speed of touch and raycasting touch is faster

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I see many cases where people use a part and then a ray on top and in this case simply attaching a touch event to that part would be faster then using a separate ray

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https://devforum.roblox.com/t/374482

Developer Forum | Roblox

Raycast Hitbox 4.01: For all your melee needs!

Current Version: V.4.01 Stable (09/21/2021) Upgrading from 3.xx to 4.0 Please note that V4 is not backwards compatible with V3. There are a few API changes that were introduced in V4 to better suit modern code etiquette. Here are the changes you need to know if you want to make your code compliant with V4: Raycast Hitbox 4.01: For all your m...

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here is a example of what happens when people think raycasting is better then touch

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because people have the incorrect information that touch is not good they will go to extreme solutions like Raycast Hitbox

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but the problems users have with touch is not touch they are having problems with replication but they blame touch when its not touches fault

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:54 AM

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i still don't understand your performance concerns when you realized you're going to have to use a table and loop through or call descandents or IsAs for whitelisting on collision filtering for touched 💀

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how big are even your rays lol

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you aren't really giving much context

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:55 AM

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raw oasis but the problems users have with touch is not touch they are having problems wit...

yeah so they're having inherent problems with the .touched solution 🤔

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:55 AM

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raw oasis here is a example of what happens when people think raycasting is better then to...

they're using it for accuracy, i've already told you about microstepping/swept hitboxes

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i've also already told you to do custom collision math if you wanted more performance

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you're misleading beginners

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:56 AM

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fringe meteor i still don't understand your performance concerns when you realized you're goin...

you can use attributes or tags or folders to see if the part you hit is the correct instance

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but because this is dont on the client side

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and each client

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only does there own bullet

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:57 AM

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raw oasis you can use attributes or tags or folders to see if the part you hit is the corr...

nice, so you got to organize characters into a folder or a table

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or query tags

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lol

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:57 AM

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fringe meteor they're using it for accuracy, i've already told you about microstepping/swept h...

my second demo shows that touch is more accurate then rays

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:57 AM

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where?

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why don't you use it in a game then

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i told you before to go post your stuff on the forums

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why not make a .touched hitbox lol

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 8:58 AM

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i have a projectile video planed for the future

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 8:59 AM

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if you think .touched collision has gotten more accurate, then make some hit module that can be attached onto anything, like melee, projectiles, etc

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in any form

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and use .touched internally

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 9:00 AM

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#1091203163173945354 message

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this shows touch is more accurate then rays

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 9:01 AM

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gonna be pretty interesting to see people clone hitbox .touched parts or instance them in and set their properties

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nice performance and extra labor

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 9:01 AM

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raw oasis this shows touch is more accurate then rays

coolio #1091203163173945354 message

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 9:01 AM

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fringe meteor if you think .touched collision has gotten more accurate, then make some hit mod...

go do it, see what people tell u then

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 9:02 AM

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ill be using touch in my games

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your free to use touch or rays in your game

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but i have not been convinced that rays are more accurate or are faster then touch

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 9:07 AM

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fringe meteor if you think .touched collision has gotten more accurate, then make some hit mod...

I think touch was always accurate but i think others blame replication problems with touch given touch a bad reputation

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 9:08 AM

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no it wasn't always accurate

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I talked to someone who's way more skilled and experienced than I am

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the reason was

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 9:08 AM

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its been accurate since i started using roblox in 2019

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 9:08 AM

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framerate issues with fast moving objects, Humanoids used to "float" causing rounding errors with their feet not touching, and it being up to the physics side of Roblox, which used to not always be in sync with what visually happened on the clients (it is way better now)

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basically geometrical robustness issues

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 9:11 AM

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fringe meteor > framerate issues with fast moving objects, Humanoids used to "float" causing r...

not sure what this is saying about touch

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 9:11 AM

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the reason why it was inaccurate

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 9:12 AM

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fringe meteor the reason why it was inaccurate

what is the reason?

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 9:12 AM

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did u not read

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" Humanoids used to "float" causing rounding errors with their feet not touching"

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 9:12 AM

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yes i read it 10 times i did not see the reason

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 9:12 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robust_geometric_computation

Robust geometric computation

In mathematics, specifically in computational geometry, geometric nonrobustness is a problem wherein branching decisions in computational geometry algorithms are based on approximate numerical computations, leading to various forms of unreliability including ill-formed output and software failure through crashing or infinite loops.
For instance,...

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 9:13 AM

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fringe meteor " Humanoids used to "float" causing rounding errors with their feet not touching...

sounds like a problem with the humanoid

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 9:15 AM

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suphi: Don't use humanoids

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💀

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 9:15 AM

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fringe meteor suphi: Don't use humanoids

i dont

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well i do

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 9:16 AM

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i think the person was just referring to just geometric robustness issues though

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 9:16 AM

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but not in games where the character is the focus

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 9:16 AM

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humanoids do suck anyways

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an old artifact

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i wouldn't blame u for not using it

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 9:16 AM

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fringe meteor humanoids do suck anyways

i agree with you

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 9:16 AM

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not really any good open source alternatives out there yet exactly tho

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 9:17 AM

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hopefully Roblox's new physics controller makes them better

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https://devforum.roblox.com/t/1999211/

Developer Forum | Roblox

New Humanoid Physics Controller - Beta

Past Updates... v0.1 Our first step in Humanoid Componentization (more info coming soon) begins with a new physics controller. We’ve rebuilt it from the ground up using the same internal objects and constraints that make up the rest of our physics engine. This should provide a more robust and physically accurate controller, open up more customi...

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i bet the new controller uses touch where there old humanoids use rays to detect the ground

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 9:20 AM

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such a troll

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 9:20 AM

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😛

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does hip height work in the new controller

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hip height is technically adjusting the length of the ray

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 9:31 AM

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fringe meteor not really any good open source alternatives out there yet exactly tho

for my custom humanoids I'm just going to have a pill/capsule shaped mesh for the root and it will be 100% physics based using vectorforce and ill simply let the pill mesh rub along the floor and dynamically adjust the friction so they don't slide around when they don't want to move

fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 9:32 AM

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most people use capsule colliders

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and custom collision/physics for performance speed ups, not sure if it's worth it at all now

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 9:34 AM

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ill not use custom ill use Roblox's collision and physics

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Ill even enable adaptive timestepping and it should be fine at 60hz

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i think when 1 part touches another part roblox will change both to 240hz so that would cause the capsule to always be at 240hz while rubbing along the floor

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i have not played around with adaptive timestepping that much so i dont know how well roblox handles it

fast solstice Jun 21, 2023, 1:26 PM

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I wonder how long has this been going on

raw oasis Jun 21, 2023, 1:39 PM

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fast solstice I wonder how long has this been going on

somber zealot Jun 21, 2023, 4:52 PM

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fringe meteor ok but how do you make it so you don't trigger .touched on your own player

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fringe meteor Jun 21, 2023, 4:53 PM

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collision groups are more for collision control, it would be a janky way to filter what should trigger for .touched

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steel kelp Jun 21, 2023, 4:55 PM

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Would really not be a great solution

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Collision groups aren't intended to be used that way

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or I guess technically they are since the TouchesUseCollisionGroups property exists in the first place. I just think setting collision groups on parts is a less attractive solution than using a raycast whitelist

somber zealot Jun 21, 2023, 5:03 PM

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steel kelp Jun 21, 2023, 5:04 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/eye-roll-robert-downey-jr-gif-12061007

Tenor

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fleet sun Jun 21, 2023, 6:58 PM

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Tenor

somber zealot Jun 21, 2023, 8:41 PM

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fringe meteor i cant then, your mind is unchangable

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eager herald Dec 24, 2023, 7:53 PM

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what

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touched relies on the part being there no?

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isnt the projectile purely supposed to be visual

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and rays do the detection and position the projectile correctly

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i just feel like physics way would lead to bad hit detection, physics glitching etc

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even considering your arguments suphi

fast solstice Dec 25, 2023, 3:12 AM

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for larger objects, i likely to use touched

ionic fable Dec 25, 2023, 4:46 AM

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This was 9 months ago

#Touched vs Raycast