[0.33] [AIRCRAFT] Aryx's F-16M King Viper

[karmic pivot]

tons of fun

[frank monolith]

the hardest the F-16 can land is about 1000fpm

[civic lark]

really? i'm struggling to break any parts off during landing lool

feels like the plane is rock solid. the nose doesnt even come off when you hit the ground with it

[vague imp]

peak

[vale yoke]

For me the F16 is acting flimsy lol

[young robin]

The only part where autopilot touches fbw is the delete key fbw disabler i believe, all other features work on changing the input to fbw. It also should do nothing if autopilot is disabled and gcas is not active.

[brittle wyvern]

Unlike Compass, it allows to break itself. Or to lay on the side while taxiing. But yay, it's highway-strip capable supersonic fighter!

IRL it also has advantage of hiding in old Boscalian aircraft bunkers, where most modern planes don't fit.

[civic lark]

i'm experiencing weird oscilations with the fbw. at speeds around Mach 1.3 it likes to gently pitch up. Almost feels like I'm going through gusts of wind

But there was 0% turbulence in the mission i was in

[vale yoke]

It's the Rudder, look back when you start oscilating.

And frame jiggling too from what I've witnessed

[brittle wyvern]

Hmm

[vale yoke]

Well its a near future version of the f16 so maybe it has a silghtly better engine? lol

[frail topaz]

that explicitly says sea level does it not

[civic lark]

See, i didnt notice any major rudder oscilations. It wasn't the violent ones I've been experiencing, and that have been shown before here. This was a different, gentler oscilation happening every few seconds or so, and only pitching up. I'll try to recreate it tomorrow

[wraith falcon]

aryx said directly that the engine is better than the one irl

like f135 class if im remembering correctly

[pearl granite]

not sure it's supposed to do this, sorry for ass fps

joint rigidity is way too low and the FBW is not tuned right

[vale yoke]

Got that jiggle going on.

[pearl granite]

another issue I spotted, the airframe is rather immune to ramming damage

I just challenged a Darkreach to a duel on the runway while we both were at post-landing speed

all I lost was my landing gear, the Darkreach split in two

[vivid fox]

Does this mean my F-16 is happy?

[civic lark]

I've noticed this as well! I've scraped the ground multiple times going at > Mach 1 without losing nary a pylon. Had a nuke in my belly and it brushed it stayed on like a trooper

[pearl granite]

weapons staying on pylons on impact damage is a vanilla issue

the airframe surviving hard impacts isn't

[fathom rampart]

Consider jamming pods on center line pylon?

Also ARADs on outer wing pylon

[rose junco]

Already was. Scrapped due to imbalance

[fathom rampart]

SEAD me darling

[fathom rampart]

Oh....

Wait rly? 1 jamming pod?

[rose junco]

Yes

[fathom rampart]

Aw...

[vital laurel]

if u use it with qol u can get a jammer

im pretty sure

[analog fjord]

A suggestion I have is removing the onboard jammer and putting the ECM pod on the center pylon, similar to how the ECM pod works on the cricket

[shut axle]

QoL doesn't do anything to it

[analog fjord]

I dont know how hard it would be to make it happen, but it would be a cool way to balance a rank 2 and make it look more similar to the real f16 with its pod

[pure ember]

You get 1x GBM-350LR on the centreline, that's it afaik

[shut axle]

I think it's a 500

Very jsow looking fellow

[pure ember]

Yeah scratch that it's the 500LR, got them mixed up lol

[cyan ginkgo]

overrated

[solar hound]

its impossible to fly

every time i take off, it flips over

[jade cargo]

Kinda hard to land couse of how close landing gear is

[jade cargo]

Everything fine on my side

[solar hound]

how

[jade cargo]

Possible incompatibility with other mods?

[jade cargo]

Are on hotas?

I've seen that NOTT is incompatible with a lot of mods

[solar hound]

nope

[solar hound]

ohhhhhhh

[real osprey]

Where is the discord server?

[junior depot]

Every time I read the name of this mod it messes with me

[cobalt bronze]

in the github

[final salmon]

Every time I'm on the ground and I do a slight turn, the wings have a tendency to scrape the deck.

[frank monolith]

go slower

[rose junco]

did you update, and go a little slower?

[real osprey]

By the way plane cant stall why

[real osprey]

Couldnt find

[rose junco]

what

[real osprey]

Can you send me a link

[real osprey]

Lıterally did not stall once

[rose junco]

did you ever land?

[real osprey]

I was floating at almost 180 km/h

[real osprey]

No thats too much time of being alive in sam R zone

[cobalt bronze]

https://discord.gg/3atkUZV3b

[real osprey]

Thank you

[rose junco]

i am guessing this was a controlled flat trajectory forward?

[real osprey]

Maybe

[rose junco]

context matters. elaborate on what was going on.

[real osprey]

IDK i just wanted to test stall and it never did stall it was just very slowly descending and flying at 180km/h~

ıt just cant slow down to a stall speed

[rose junco]

loadout, fuel, altitude

[real osprey]

At about full fuel

Outer pylons 12x kingpins

İnner pylons agm 68

3x

And no center pylon

With a hook

With the gun

I feel like i am ordering food bro

[rose junco]

you want ketchup or mild chili mayo?

[real osprey]

55 burgers

55 fries

And uhhh

Yes ketchup

[real osprey]

Ph also i was at around 600 meters from the ground

[rose junco]

was the ground 500 above seal level?

this is with the latest version

[real osprey]

İt was the launch version

[low valley]

F-16M King Viper

[rose junco]

what's the red part about?

so what livery is it based on?

[rose junco]

Kar-bote. It's in this same forum

They are also on the mod loader

[hushed flume]

when i take off i start flipping violently, is this a problem for anyone else

[upbeat drift]

one of ur mods is conflicting with it and breaking the entire aerodynamics system as a result

[hushed flume]

oh ok thanks

[raven mica]

Not too common nowadays, actually, I haven't seen this in years lol

[rose junco]

it's kinda weird. what does it mean?

[raven mica]

Just like they mentioned before - it's UPA flag (or UIA, if translated). Seen it a couple of times on cars around here, but it's not nearly as common as many would think

[rose junco]

really now?

[raven mica]

I'm not far off from there lmao, that's why I'm saying it. I just find it pretty odd that people are so focused on this flag when it's, like... something that appears there and there on occasion

[rose junco]

i mean, it probably means something kinda bad then, right?

[raven mica]

Just like many things in history - it's a very gray area, depends on how you look at it

[rose junco]

but what does it mean?

[raven mica]

Yeah, pretty much. Or the... what's it called, the confederation flag. Mostly used by people who just want to show off lol

Yup, that one

[rose junco]

oh yeah... the confederate flag...

[fathom rampart]

Isn't that just forcing the guy to take a jammer

Hence just removing the center line option altogether

[quiet silo]

This Is the beginning of awesome mods. We Need real prototypes! X 29 x31 su 47, even the fake mig 37!!! Gooooo

[fathom rampart]

You can't have a afterburning jet that dosent have ARH countermeasures by default

[low valley]

i mean you can

[fathom rampart]

It just would kinda suck

That or you add chaff into the game ig

[rose junco]

no ecm, but you get a jammer pod

[rose junco]

mitch would smite you

[fathom rampart]

That's, somehow more messed up

[rose junco]

how

dare you

lmao

[ivory sun]

I wish I was as cool as you Aryx❤️
Can't wait for Viper's theme to be out

[low valley]

Voodoo’s doing a proper music video for it, should be cool to see

[rose junco]

It's not the ghost himself, but close enough

By Shumatsu
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3701928270

[inner ginkgo]

Quick someone make a mirage 2000 to counter

[rose junco]

something something med fløde

By Shumatsu
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3702436838

[rose junco]

i understood that reference

[still compass]

😢

how I can fix it?I updated to 1.0.2

[low valley]

Will be fixed in a few hours, was a mistake I made last night whilst sleep deprived

[queen flicker]

bdf green be upon ye

[low valley]

was fixing the gun position and set the material of the lerx to a flat material so I could actually see the gun port and ended up putting the material on the vapour particle too

[still compass]

This mod is my new favorite aircraft in nuclear option,thank you!

[low valley]

Lots more to come :D

Next update will be fixing that bug and reworking the pylons

so it'll be more like an actual Viper

it'll add an additional pylon set (Wing Root Pylons) and distribute the existing weapon load across them

so you can take more variety of payloads without making it unbalanced

[still compass]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-just-so-peak-peak-panda-peak-panda-it's-just-so-peak-gif-10789048890486755182

[potent onyx]

hi, just a little concern is it supposed to be like this at mach 1.2+?

[low valley]

If you're on 1.01 yes, that was a problem with the FBW tuning

1.02 is a lot better, should hopefully have it dialled in soon

[potent onyx]

this was on the 1.02 patch actually 😢

[low valley]

dammit

weird, 1.02 should have the broken lerx vapour

[potent onyx]

yeah the fuselage clips into itself sometimes,

the rolling in third person was intentional though

in cockpit view it oscillates when pitching up and down, it's weird sometimes

[low valley]

second screenshot there should be fixed today, been remastering some of the internals to have more detail

[potent onyx]

only happened at like 1100 kmh, anything lower than that it kind of fixed itself

[pure ember]

This happened to me earlier, severe damage straight out of spawn. Happened just once. Had QoL enabled so idk if that affected it though

[low valley]

that's just a weird bug with hardened shelters, I get it with the Ifrit every now and again

[bronze crag]

I've been working to fix it all night

[keen bone]

Can/will we get a lore friendly name & description please?

[bronze crag]

I can't find a way to effectively tune the rest of the flight profile while tuning that out

It only happens when it's completely empty and going Mach 2

[low valley]

that's fine tbh, if you're going mach 2 you should expect trouble

[bronze crag]

It either breaks standard flight or you're stable at Mach

[pearl granite]

I have uncontrollable erroneous pitch inputs down at mach 1.2

[low valley]

yeah javi's working on the fbw settings, rn there's some wackiness

[pearl granite]

sometimes it's wide sweeping movements or the plane wants to shake itself to pieces

[bronze crag]

Those I have not experienced

[pearl granite]

.

[low valley]

nosing down at m0.6 tends to do it in my experience

like do a brief nose down and watch the bouncing

only realised it after deliberately trying it as I almost never nose down lmao

[low valley]

Name is final more or less

[pearl granite]

also the FCS lets you pull -14G

which is

what

[low valley]

goddamn

instant blackout button

on that topic I'm surprised the game doesn't have redouts

[pearl granite]

Mitch has a single G load meter

any and all G movements contribute to it

which doesn't make sense

you can't do unloaded movements to quickly reset yourself for another high-g pull

[pearl granite]

back when pilot G tolerance was worse, the Ifrit would black you out for sitting in a 5 or 6 G sustained turn

[low valley]

yeah I remember back when 5Gs would black you out decently fast

[pearl granite]

because due to the pilot's position they experience an extra G in another direction

you'd notice it if you dead sticked while mid turn, the G load reduces on the plane but the pilot still experiences significant Gs

[silver viper]

it seems like the jet just wants to be glued to the ground for me

aha its because of NOTT

[bronze crag]

All right. Managed to get a hand on the value that's causing the issue

It's a proportion issue

[low valley]

Oh?

[bronze crag]

Well I've known this for a while. I'm just trying to balance it working at any envelope other than extremely high speed

One adding a one entirely eliminates the wobble at high speeds

Although instigates a bit more instability at high under mach

Changing nothing but the p factor of the auto trim to 977 just changing the six to a nine helps a lot

Been using nothing but my keyboard to test this since I want to instigate jilts to see how it bounces

[jade cargo]

Yo @low valley , this mod is dream come true! Awesome stuff man. Are you planning to make more aircraft? If so, what's on your mind?

[fickle carbon]

suGOY!!!!

[low valley]

current plans are a cargo plane of my own design, an F-22, a MiG-29, a high speed interceptor and a vtol fighter

[low valley]

977? good god

oh 0.

kek

[bronze crag]

Higher p factor at high speed makes it more stable but it also adds a tiny bit of jitter in transonic flight

[real osprey]

Yall want a turkish f-16??

[bronze crag]

Trig to eliminate it with the other factors, but it's been annoying

[rose junco]

This is a free world, you can do whatever you want

[karmic pivot]

Be the change you want to see in this world

[real osprey]

Ok bro

[rose junco]

Or pay someone

[quiet silo]

just tried both the f 16 and the mig 15, awesome mods! really fun to fly with

[low valley]

https://github.com/Aryx3D/Aryx-F-16M/releases/tag/1.0.3

update

[winged estuary]

just catching a beauty in it's natural habitat 📸

[honest pollen]

really well done model wise but sadly cant say the same physics wise

this thing turns less than a starfighter and it wobbles alot

[low valley]

try the new update

it's much better

[low valley]

FBW tuning and whatnot

[potent onyx]

rn it kinda wants to roll to either side

[low valley]

dafuq, not having that issue

[potent onyx]

unless thats a quirk with the stability assist

ok wait

i cant even recreate it

😭 😭 😭

every copy of aryx's f-16m is personalized

[pearl granite]

I was having that issue too

[bronze crag]

Once the plane encounters instability somehow it just breaks permanently

[pearl granite]

the roll doesn't settle and it feels like the aircraft commands a slight roll sometimes

[bronze crag]

I don't know how to explain it. I don't know how it happened. It just does

[pearl granite]

I'm guessing the roll PID just gets saturated

[bronze crag]

I have been working with this thing for the past hour and that has been a continuous problem

[bronze crag]

You see, the funny thing is there isn't a roll PID

[honest pollen]

ahh no wonder

[bronze crag]

You got tightness, whatever that is

[honest pollen]

forgot NOMM updates hourly

[low valley]

that'd do it

yeah 1.0.3 is the good update™

main changes:

• Pylon rework, added additional pylons and distributed existing weapon load across them (No net increase in weapons carried). More accurate to a real Viper now.
• Fixed bug with left side LERX particles using aircraft skin material
• Teeny fbw adjustments
• Strengthened tail
• Some payload nerfs (11 max AGM-68s down to 7, -2 kingpin pods)
• Improved damage model details near the elevators (modelled actuators inside)

[potent onyx]

it constantly beats out the revoker

it's not supposed 2 b a one circle fighter

[low valley]

you actually turn faster if you bring 3 augers

the CoG shift is so great that it pushes you into static instability

[honest pollen]

it just feels sluggish

[low valley]

allowing you to do 30 degrees sustained

[honest pollen]

like theres a very fine line at like

between 400 and 500kph that it just turns like crazy

[low valley]

historians call this the corner speed

that's where it turns best

[honest pollen]

doesnt apply to any other NO aircraft

like most of them just turn better the slower they are

[pearl granite]

that seems a little low for a viper

[honest pollen]

until stall speed that is

[potent onyx]

thats called corner speed

[low valley]

all the other supersonic fighters in NO have tvc

[honest pollen]

does it?

[low valley]

it somewhat lends to dogfighting

[honest pollen]

all of the others just turn really consistently

[pearl granite]

yeah that's slow for a viper's corner speed

[low valley]

iirc the corner speed in the config is 180-200m/s

[storm parcel]

Love to fly it
Best mod yet
It's kind of brittle(one hit from a SPAA pulverised it)
And it is very hot( heat seakers seem to ignore flares)
Otherwise just peak

[pearl granite]

viper prefers 300-450kt

it really hates going below 300kt since it struggles to recover energy there

[low valley]

TWR on this one helps a lot with that

[honest pollen]

not this one

bro the twr has gotta be like 2

[low valley]

1.6 dry

[honest pollen]

holy acceleration

[low valley]

ish

[honest pollen]

i look at the enemy aircraft for like 2 seconds and i went from 300kph to 800kph

[pearl granite]

330-440kt sustained

so having a corner speed that low isn't right

[low valley]

rn the corner speed is 350kt

180m/s or so

[pearl granite]

so I have no idea how len got that figure

[low valley]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HFRVZQtbYAAQSNg.webp

[potent onyx]

yeah actually nah its goated

just noticed the gaps in the wing while it was bending 😭

[pearl granite]

what is this Ace Combat ass third person view

[potent onyx]

war thunder duels made me feel something so i had to do it in this view

[raven mica]

Vanilla aircraft have those too

[shell cairn]

suboptimal

[bronze crag]

I mean it's obviously not as Good in onesie as a revoker but nothing is because the revoker is better at turning than the UFO

[quiet silo]

Just One question, AI Will use f 16 and mig 15 in escalation?

[fathom rampart]

TBF the revoker has better instantaneus rate

[pearl granite]

not by default no

[fathom rampart]

The revoker has a very real chance of beating the viper in the first turn of 2C

after that it gets trashed by viper

[quiet silo]

Thx, i have to enable them in the editor? Or Is something more deep?

[bronze crag]

If you add factories for them

[fathom rampart]

piss energy retention moment

[pearl granite]

you need to put down factories that produce the F-16 or MiG-15

[quiet silo]

Oh ok, thx guys for the answers!

[fathom rampart]

ifrit beats out the viper in 2C by a few degrees, and absolutely mogs it in 1C

(that was also only AI btw which means pitch limiter isnt even off yet ong)

as for Vortex, seems like theyre roughly similar with Vortex slightly beating it out i think?

[pearl granite]

AI cheat

AI don't GLOC

[fathom rampart]

well yeah they have bloodless pilots

but they also fly at a speed thats somewhat sustainable in 2C

abt 370kn on ifrit, you can do 2 or maybe 3 circles with that, enough to eek out a gun solution

and when the desperate viper pilot tries to reverse he gets obliterated

[low valley]

main advantage the viper has is its massive TWR

don’t ratefight is what i’ve found

take em vertical

[round field]

javi did you find out what was making the f16 freak out under NOTT in the end?

also congrats for contributor of the week, how did you earn it?

[bronze crag]

nope

[bronze crag]

this guy

[vale yoke]

It's got the Viper Wiggle.

[bronze crag]

I dont work on nott so I cant fix this one

[round field]

hell yeah

[bright horizon]

Yo Aryx you got any other aircraft or vehicle in mind?

[low valley]

next aircraft I make is either gonna be an F-22 or a cargo plane

neck and neck

[vale yoke]

Damn.

[bright horizon]

A cargo plane would be cool not gonna lie

[vale yoke]

A Cargo plane would be neat but what even would it haul? A huge ass column of IFVs or tanks?

[low valley]

It's dual purpose

it can carry tanks, IFVs, stratolances etc

[vale yoke]

Oh boy.

[low valley]

but it can also carry a massive AEW dish

[vale yoke]

Massive Awacs?

[low valley]

like, giga medusa style

yeah

[small pike]

sick

[vale yoke]

If the F22 doesnt click with you, I would totally not mind that.

[low valley]

I will be doing everything in the poll

[vale yoke]

Oh.

[low valley]

just the order is up in the air atm

[vale yoke]

Fire.

[bright horizon]

Oh damnnn

Alright

[small pike]

i've been brainstorming a PALA tarantula equivalent that also acts as an AWACS

[bright horizon]

I don't have to say anything else, good job

[small pike]

it's a fun idea

[low valley]

this is basically that

occupies two roles within PALA

• AEW / radar locator
• heavy lift capability

so this does the AEW and radar locating whilst FB-1 does the SEAD/DEAD

[small pike]

good stuff

[raven mica]

Just letting you guys know - the F-22 and MiG-29 already have music done for them

[low valley]

Voodoo is the MVP of the entire Expedition team, absolute goat for the planes' OSTs

[raven mica]

Well, hey, your mods gave me an opportunity to try myself out at making game OSTs, so... I'm happy to be here :v

[shy rose]

where do i vote

[low valley]

server link is in the git repo

[warped sinew]

cargo plane voters need to be arrested

[final pond]

my plane immediately pulls up and does a backflip when i try to takeoff

[finite hazel]

uninstall NOTT

[finite hazel]

also had some issues with frontline map V1.4 so that may be an issue too

made it unstable, not as much as NOTT, but still

[final pond]

thanku

[rose junco]

btw aryx, you did reduce the loadout a bit for agm-68

is there no way for you to "limit" pylons when certain choices are made?

[frank monolith]

pretty sure you can only disable the pylon entirely

[rose junco]

good enough

[low valley]

there’s an entire pylon rework coming shortly that should balance it a lot more

[rose junco]

sorry. im guessing that is discussed in your discord?

[low valley]

ya

[uncut fractal]

With programs like Rapid Dragon ending up better and more economic than anyone expected (there are a lot more platforms than AGM-158 JASSMs that can be adapted, and most new cruise missiles are being built to similar specifications to be comparable from the outset) I'd love to throw a salvo of ALCMs or modified long range A2A missiles like the Scimitar out of the back of a cargo jet.

[jagged cloud]

so... how do i install?

[uncut fractal]

like

[rose junco]

alright cool

[rose junco]

did you follow the tutorials?

[jagged cloud]

nvm there's a guide in the file

[queen flicker]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3702656099

[ripe flame]

Custom missiles for your F-16 when

[low valley]

I do have a Tusko-N coming

[vivid fox]

Sweet!

[low valley]

:3

[ripe flame]

I feel like that center pylon can carry more than a 🤏 measly 98

[low valley]

it’s getting tusko in the loadout reset as well

[jagged cloud]

I feel like that center pylon shouldn't carry bombs

its basically kissing the ground

and that's when stationary

[ripe flame]

maybe if the upper canards are folded.
Even then, no sane military would allow for a clearance of 0.1 inches from the runway

[low valley]

tbh the auger is yuge

[raven mica]

Well, this isn't a bomb, but... this fuel tank is pretty close to the ground

[jagged cloud]

true, but it also tapers behind the wheel in a way that conveniently allows the aircraft to take off

oh, and you can discard it before landing at no threat to anyone...

[ripe flame]

Unless NO adds weapon jettison, you'd be dropping a 2 ton lawn dart into a farmer's field and then reduce most of the crops to dirt piles

With the 500kg warhead

[onyx mural]

x4 agm 48 on pylons pls 🥺

[rose junco]

ok, this is a big win loadout wise.

[low valley]

it's a lot more balanced™

[rose junco]

i will lament the loss of the funni centerline auger, but... this IS the right powerlevel

[low valley]

F-16M 1.0.4

• Full loadout rework complete
• Fixed AO & Metallic texture issue on the lerx tip
  https://github.com/Aryx3D/Aryx-F-16M/releases/tag/1.0.4

[warped sinew]

Rest in peace centerpylon auger💔

[coral cedar]

💔

[uncut whale]

Seems to be excessive ejection speed parameter on upper flare pods?

[low valley]

holy SHIT

wtf

[zealous crescent]

Is there any particular reason the F-16M runs so hot? It's nigh impossible to flare off IR missiles unless you reduce your throttle to 20% or lower, and even then it takes a ton of CMs to flare them off.

[cobalt bronze]

its the F-16

thats why

[zealous crescent]

Not quite understanding, is that supposed to answer the question?

[cobalt bronze]

yes

[zealous crescent]

Oh

it doesn't really

[warped fjord]

big engine

big thrust

[warped sinew]

Old fighter mainly a modernization it’s gonna struggle against newer tech missiles

Lore accurate

[cobalt bronze]

F-16 runs hot irl

[warped fjord]

honestly this could pass as a real plane in the game

playing it for hte first time and its quite incredible

do any servers allow this?

[rose junco]

The f-16 is as hot as Californian summers

[rose junco]

You only get servers that already play with it

[zealous crescent]

Yeah I really like it, my only gripe is that a lot of the work I do in the thing ends up being CAS runs where there are a lot of IR missiles to go around. I wish I could carry like, an addon flare pod on the centerline pylon or something

[warped fjord]

hmm, how about BOL IR missiles

[rose junco]

Good thing it has 3 speeds

Here

There

And gone

[queen flicker]

engine is very hot due to being literally airframe

[rose junco]

Get used to energy killing ir missiles

[queen flicker]

whole plane is engine

[zealous crescent]

Like, BOL pods for IR-missile pylons?

[warped fjord]

yes, BOL pod + IR missile combo for certain pylons

[rose junco]

The glutony never ends. Let the chef relax for a bit

[zealous crescent]

I didn't know if that'd be feasible which is why I didn't say anything but it was something I'd thought about a little while ago

[rose junco]

It totally is

It's just hard

[warped fjord]

the chef can relax for 10 years after creating this for all I care

chef has cooked

[zealous crescent]

Yeah, this is a relatively low-priority request. There's been a ton of work and passion put into this and it's been the only plane I've flown since it dropped. It's incredible

[rose junco]

Mitch was right to fear this power

[zealous crescent]

Mitch fears the power of a person with too much time and passion on their hands

[warped fjord]

did mitch say anything about the rise of player plane mods?

[rose junco]

Well he did say something about player mods in the aviation plus interview, but that was before all of these things. Maybe he has commented on it in a stream? I don't watch them, so I don't know.

[warped fjord]

@low valley given lots of programming experience but only mediocre blender experience, how much time for me to create a reasonable plane? (basically: how much time did you spend in blender and how much time did you spend programming). Also: is there a source for the nobp file itself or is it the source (basically: do you edit it in place)

[pearl granite]

depends on the plane

these ones were made in 3 days

nobps are created via a script in the unity editor

iirc

[pearl granite]

to get a plane feeling good and working well though it usually takes at least a few weeks

extensive testing can take well over a month

[warped fjord]

so this mod isnt really open source atm

damn

[pearl granite]

if you're making a totally original airframe or painstakingly copy down details, modelling alone can take several days

[rough ember]

Blueprinter's build kit was said to be going through an update as of a month ago

So hopefully soonish we'll have it 🙏

[pearl granite]

blueprinter is wildly unstable rn

it's not suitable for public release

however as a loader it's functional-ish

just the whole build process, is iffy

[rough ember]

understandable

[frank monolith]

Probably about the same as an F-35 in most aspects, exhaust hotter then the sun but core cooling itself a ton to keep it melting

[hexed falcon]

how do you guys install the mod?

[warped fjord]

I use https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1467341462227124305 because it takes care of the dependency

[hexed falcon]

ahh ok, thank you

[pure ember]

@low valley New inner pylon UVs don't look right to me

[narrow spoke]

Maybe the F-16M isn't necessarily hotter, it just has worse/zero IRCM

[pure ember]

-# also maybe could we get an updated .fbx to account for the new pylons maybe?

[drowsy hazel]

i have an issue with both the f16 and the mig15 where they appear to have a broken aerodynamism model and do not respond to controls

[vernal smelt]

Nott is not(t) compatable

[drowsy hazel]

oh okay

[vast elk]

She sure is beautiful

[round field]

Aryx, what if the new cargo aircraft is able to deploy a helicopter? i just read that c130s carried little birds that were reassembled on site when rescuing the pilot over Iran a few days ago

Could be cool in NO to just leave a chicane somewhere and then have a person spawn in it

[cedar marsh]

yeah

or maybe deploy drones

like the Kestrel

[nimble pier]

do we drag this in bepinex plugin like usual? I havent installed mods in this game but I have with CarX

[vital laurel]

yes

[acoustic hull]

nah hes sad

[acoustic hull]

thats beautiful

[jagged cloud]

IRL the outer pylon could carry two missiles right

Nevermind i guess, can’t seem to find any images

[jagged cloud]

Where can i get this skin

[sleek sorrel]

workshop!

[vast elk]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3702242250

[jagged cloud]

I assume i’ll need that mod that allows lighting textures as well right

[vast elk]

Not for this one

[jagged cloud]

Holy peak

[vast elk]

Those lights on the livery are the formation lights

[jagged cloud]

But they’re not there normally

Do you need to turn them on or something

[vast elk]

Yeah, there’s a keybind in the base game for them to be turned on and off

[low valley]

ow

[hot hemlock]

is this multiplayer compatible

[finite hazel]

if everyone has it

yes

[proud umbra]

i seem to have a bug where i cant pitch up or down and the plane flips on takeoff

[zealous crescent]

I've been running into an issue lately where the horizontal stabilizers will flutter causing the plane to oscillate up and down, is this a known issue?

[ebon cape]

its because it is incompatible with NOTT

[fathom rampart]

Still no outer pylon ARADs :(

[fathom rampart]

Tbf isnt that how it's supposed to be anyway since iirc flared get ejected pretty fast

[low valley]

yea but not above it

[fathom rampart]

Wait it's not supposed to eject above it?

[low valley]

nope

[fathom rampart]

Honestly it's cool

Can we keep it 🥺

[warped sinew]

Nooo they got his nose he can’t smell anymore

Aryx please patch him in a new nose

[low valley]

https://github.com/Aryx3D/Aryx-F-16M/releases/tag/1.0.5

[brave mountain]

Begging you to make the F-22 lol.

Slides a Jackson

[brisk coyote]

if you join the discord you can vote for it

[brave mountain]

Link?

[calm bridge]

oh yeah?

[brisk coyote]

in the github

[calm bridge]

you've got some balls there lol

[brisk coyote]

right now the F-22 is winning in the polls

[calm bridge]

not by a lot

but im all for it

[brave mountain]

I have several 3D models from sketchfab for the F-22 if it would help?

I was gonna see it I could mod the F-22 in a few months ago, but life kind of gotten away and I just don’t have the time now.

[calm bridge]

Aryx designs her stuff from the ground up

[brisk coyote]

ask aryx but I think she's making her own models

[low valley]

^

I make all my stuff from scratch

[unkempt urchin]

Yo why does this F16 just do a blackflip when I try an take off?

[low valley]

remove NOTT.

[calm bridge]

plus i assume it would be hard to stuff a premade model with the necessary meat that the gibs from NO comes with, might as well do that on a model they're familiar with

[low valley]

yep

it would be straight up more difficult to port an existing model in rather than making it myself

[brave mountain]

Don't you use Blender to create?

[low valley]

Yep!

[brave mountain]

They were created in Blender to begin with from scratch

I never got a chance to learn Unity Modding.

I've only every Modded Minecraft and Elders Scroll with most of my time spent on a RuneScape MOD for MC

[calm bridge]

the closest i've ever been to unity modding was bruteforcing my way into adding a new plane for project wingman. An Unreal Engine game

clearly it did not work

[subtle maple]

Bro, I needs to see me a cargo plane.

[calm bridge]

i agree but i also cant really stand the ifrit

so i went for the Raptor (?)

[brave mountain]

Not over the F-22 tho

[queen flicker]

really heated topic huh

didn't actually expect that much of a divide

[subtle maple]

Apparently so.

[subtle maple]

I disagree with that notion.

I fail to see exactly what an F-22 can really provide over what's already seen in the base game's aircraft roster so far (besides a more stealthy Ifrit), but that's just my take.

[tender sky]

Cargo plane is overall needed more in the game than a f22. a new cargo plane will incentivize the lack of logistics you see in a match, and more people would be resupplying and rebuilding bases. however i voted f22 because its cooler

[tender sky]

fax

[low valley]

you're gonna get both

[pearl granite]

truth nuke

[low valley]

the poll just determines the order

I am however also focusing on adding drop tanks for shits and giggles atm

as the viper has no legs

[tender sky]

You're the goat

[warped sinew]

Yesss drop tanks

[low valley]

current plan is a generic 500kg drop tank for testing

[warped sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/feels-the-aura-gif-2347929915833160550

[low valley]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HFRVZQtbYAAQSNg.webp

[calm bridge]

CFTs when

[winged estuary]

imo I'm also more excited for the Cargo plane

would be neat to have faster logistics and maybe a more closer take towards an "AC-130" build

[low valley]

the main advantage of the cargo plane is Fast Logistics

[tender sky]

and moab

[low valley]

being able to deploy units to capture a base way faster than with a tara/ibis, but being a gigantic target whilst doing so

[brisk coyote]

would the cargo plane have an airdroppable MBT?

[low valley]

yes

can carry two

[brisk coyote]

🗻

[small pike]

thats gonna be so cool omg

[subtle maple]

Being a big target is worth it for the pure aura gain of paradropping ground units to seize a major base.

Something something being your own setpiece for the start of a CoD mission.

[winged estuary]

if we have the power to make it an AC plane
would it lean more towards the modern Ghostrider or maybee have a way to have the Spooky 2 guns layout?

[low valley]

the plan for it is basically

take a C-390
scale it right up
give it a V-tail empennage and four engines

[subtle maple]

https://tenor.com/view/gem-finding-gem-gem-alert-jasswa-looking-for-gem-gif-4573895384736430461

[brisk coyote]

so a slightly oversized globemaster?

[calm bridge]

that'll be sweet but the plane might be too slow for it

[low valley]

ya

it will serve two purposes

• fast, heavy cargo transport
• airborne early warning

[brisk coyote]

so EC-17ish will be real?

[low valley]

yep

weapons station wise, you have the front and back bay

you can select an AWACS Centre option for the front bay which will slap a huge AEW dish on the roof for detecting stuff 200km+ away

eye in the sky

[calm bridge]

yeah nvm you probably cant stick a gun in there without making it look fugly

[brisk coyote]

awacs skyeye

[low valley]

For actual combat, it can carry demo bombs like the tara but it is otherwise somewhat defenceless

high value target that WILL need protected

[tender sky]

should have laser turret

[calm bridge]

what about...

mid-air refuelling?

[low valley]

DIRCM perchance

[low valley]

would require entirely new game logic to be written

[calm bridge]

darn

[winged estuary]

hopefully mitch will get to it, when the maps getting bigger. rn they are a bit too small to really require Air Refueling.

[calm bridge]

thinking about it that might be a bit dumb or hard to implement

[winged estuary]

not really, I asked him mid stream and he wasn't negatively looking at the idea, just the Issue is that it doesn't make sense yet, while having not large enough maps

[acoustic hull]

yea once the big map gets added

it will make sense

also i wonder if we'll get like some bigger ai aircraft

like just for the AI

like an e-3

[queen flicker]

Doesn't matter, if they are in-game and therefore have full destruction model and internals

And at point you just might give it a cockpit so player could also pilot it

[little sphinx]

any clue as to why i cannot lift off? mod list attached

[brittle wyvern]

NOTT is not compatible

[brisk coyote]

hey mods could you pin one of Aryx's messages about Nott being not compatible thank you

[brittle wyvern]

gonna get fixed NOTT side soon (tmm)

[brisk coyote]

oke

[civic lark]

F-16 droge chute when (why does this one have this)

[acoustic hull]

welly ea but that would be boring

[frank monolith]

optional package

[queen flicker]

it's mostly about dev time

mitch does his aircrafts steady

takes his time to refine details

[acoustic hull]

he'd have to give it armament though

give it at least some playability

[queen flicker]

not that hard, medusa exists

[acoustic hull]

and medusa has armament

[queen flicker]

yes, but armament is the easy part

Mitch likes aircraft that would look good in-game

[acoustic hull]

yes

i think it would have to be smth small

[civic lark]

I never knew that! Pretty cool!!

[acoustic hull]

i said E-3 but really

not really

way too big to fit at any airbases

[vast elk]

(not made by me)

[brisk coyote]

where blahaj goes
hatsune follows in its wake

[narrow spoke]

I prefer conventional tail, but the medium hangar door is REALLY low for some reason

[low valley]

yea that’s my reason

[narrow spoke]

You could do this tail

[vale yoke]

That is funky.

[shell cairn]

An 225 tail would also work

I think it was deigned this way to solve the same problem (hangars not being tall enough to fit the thing otherwise)

[round field]

what if you stuck a couple of cannons on its side like the tara

like a big boy 120mm one

[narrow spoke]

Would the frigate 127mm be going too far for an airborne gun

[round field]

for future tech? dont think it would be excessive

i mean, an ac130 has the 105mm i think + bofors + Vulcan or sth like that

having only the 127mm would be a piece of cake imo

[civic lark]

IIRC it was made this way so it could actually have some rudder authority as it caried the Buran

[round field]

yes, also had to be done with the 747

[frank monolith]

and stability

tons of turbulent stinky air

[shell cairn]

Wait wait wait

Hear me out

The Primeva 2082 guys are working in some kind of companion drone system right?

With the FQ-102

What if

GIANT COMPANION DRONE

Totally feasible combat strategy guys trust me

[brittle wyvern]

Moving spawn point for player-controlled FQ-106s

[shell cairn]

Arsenal Bird confirmed

Knowing this community it's bound to happen eventually

[shell cairn]

Yeah my two braincells forgot what the 225 was actually built for for a sec

Still would make it a bit less tall than a more "conventional" configuration

Something like the Brawler tail would be interesting

With the lower stab being longer than the upper

Although I have zero idea how that would interact aerodynamically with a high wing

[neon vigil]

please let them have collision once it has left the aircraft.....

for reasons

[pure ember]

@low valley I think the rudder is a bit lower in game than it's supposed to, causing some misalignment. Also noticed this in some other skins

-# also sorry for yet another ping

[low valley]

shall get that fixed tonight

[pure ember]

Awesome dev, love to see it

[real osprey]

YESSS

[hard stream]

Thank you for this mod

I always wanted to have F-16 in NO

also the music track is a banger 🔥

[raven mica]

Hey, if any mods are here - can I post a Youtube link to the OST+Edit here?

Had to make sure that I'm allowed to ping the mods here lol
<@&1118065368657821747>

[upbeat drift]

i wouldn't have pinged the entire role

[raven mica]

-# Uh... none of them were online, so I didn't really know which one to ping, but you're probably right

[proud plover]

Sure idgaf

[elder nova]

Yeah, go for it?

[raven mica]

Okay, thank you!

[coral jolt]

it's better to ping the role, rather than individual mods

mods sleep

[upbeat drift]

oh ok then, thx

[coral jolt]

but luckily we sleep at different times!

[raven mica]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlg3WgWxNX4

Here you go, whoever asked for the OST

Also, I don't want to do video editing ever again, that shit is so tedious

[karmic pivot]

Moderator diversity hiring

[frozen python]

Hi greetings

where is the link

to

download

lé F-16

[rose junco]

it is on the mod loader

NOMM

[frozen python]

what mod loader

I'm outta the loop

[rose junco]

nuclear option mod manager

this is both a cclientside and github connected mod manager, so you can get updates when they're pushed to the pages

[frozen python]

oh sick

where can I download it?

[rose junco]

search NOMM

in the forum

[frozen python]

got it thx

[rose junco]

also if you haven't yet, follow the instructions to bepinEX and other resources. or just use NOMM to get bepinEX

[frozen python]

yup already have bepinEX thx

ok sick it works

finally I can make

cointent

content

raah

@grok is this true

[winged scarab]

is it still incompatible with NOTT?

[finite hazel]

yea afaik

[rich igloo]

whats NOTT

[finite hazel]

nuclear option tactical tools

[winged scarab]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1457938330153910440

[rich igloo]

ohhhh icic thanks :)

[winged estuary]

is the idea weird to have a 4x rack 80LR for the centreline pylon?

[rose junco]

It's a balancing thing

[ivory sun]

This is so peak 🥹

[winged estuary]

yea I get that too
idk in my head it would look more naturel to have this rack on the belly
wouldn't get rid of 2 pylons then
just my own playstyle ig
I like to use them
but then I have "too" many to spare and couldn't bring any additional stuff for other targets

[hard stream]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-breaking-bad-meme-gif-16136938605096964188

[raven mica]

Okay, yknow what, screw it, I might make videos for the other planes as well when they come out. Maybe now that I kinda figured out the camera controls and scenario editor it will be easier to get the shots, and I'm having some ideas already

It took a long time, but it was also kinda fun to edit now that I think about it lol

[rose junco]

we're just gonna have to work with what they give us

for now

until we have like 5 forks that do different things

[vale yoke]

Don't worry, you made absolute fire both musically AND in video, you don't have to make a music video again, but you did well with this!

[vale yoke]

That's the spirit! Just saw this now after my comment above.

[raven mica]

Yeah, I'm already imagining what can be done for the other planes so... We'll see, I guess? I'll try to make those into videos, but if it doesn't go well I'll just upload it with a static picture, or something much simpler in terms of editing

[vale yoke]

Personally, I think you should fly the plane after it's all set and done, then decide how it would feel then instead of trying before then.
So when Aryx thinks it's done, he hands it off to you then you feel how the unit would vibe basically and you'll get a better vision of the song. Unless you're talking about video editing lol

[raven mica]

With some planes I can kinda guess the vibe (the F-22 and MiG-29 are already done, but we'll see how they work when the mods are ready), but for the rest - yeah, flying them first would be a good idea

[vale yoke]

How would the F22 even get in the hands of BDF and PALA ? lol
That Im curious lore wise if Aryx got's anything cooked there.

[sleek sorrel]

Oh Aryx did explain

@vale yoke

[raven mica]

To be honest, I personally just want more cool planes in the game lmao, no matter where they came from

[sleek sorrel]

Military aviation startup...

[frail topaz]

holy peak

[jagged cloud]

How do you make the navigation lights blue instead of green

[warped sinew]

Yesss f16 video❤️

[warped sinew]

Congress gave up and said yea whatever sell them internationally (they have ngad at this point in 2070 I assume) (not actual lore)

[frozen python]

soon™

[rose junco]

Because why not. The united states were broke, and like the brutish during the interwar period, needed money, now

[vale yoke]

You know what, that works lol

[jaunty stratus]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[queen flicker]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3703338441

[bronze crag]

She looks nice

Oh my god is this the mig 28?

I know it's an F5 but

[cloud bloom]

Small bug that doesn't matter much- when spectating an F-16, you can see through the airplane when looking at the cockpit from above. You can see all the internal struts!

[jaunty stratus]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[winged estuary]

if u play with friends that have the same mods yea

[tight girder]

Chilean Air Force, allows landings on runways that otherwise wouldn't be long enough I'd presume

[winged estuary]

thanks for all the liveries
using them all the time, most favorite one yet is the JASDF.

[queen flicker]

glad that you like them :D

honestly jasdf is also my favorite

[civic lark]

make one with bdf markings and my life is yours ❤️ my goatie... my boo ❤️

[civic lark]

it fits soooo well i'm in love with it

[winged estuary]

could be the second fav now, cause it just looks badass in black and red markings!

don't wanna be like annoying or ask for too much, just if ya want to. any chance u would be interested to make a simple RAM coating for it?

[civic lark]

i do love that singular star on the tail

[queen flicker]

Person just suggested Mako squadron livery with Have Glass so I think this might be the next "big" one

[winged estuary]

nice, also looking forward for that one, take ya time :D

[fathom rampart]

cough anduril

Not really that much of a stretch

[sleek sorrel]

true!

unfortunately.

[tight girder]

Anduril being a "plucky startup" is almost entirely PR mythologizing

However Gerhard Mertins was selling surplus NATO jets to both India and Pakistan for instance. Many, many other examples of firms being spun up almost exclusively for the purpose of liquidating milsurp (with or without profit from said sales being a primary motivation of the orchestrators, entirely on a case-by-case basis).

[fathom rampart]

i mean its new, technically thats enough to classify as a startup, not everyone is ronnie barrett

[odd pond]

Imagine the ultimate F-22 rip-off
Like KF-21, KAAN and J-35A all fused into one

[jagged cloud]

Idk why, but the right side lerx vapour trail has been replaced by black boxes that, to my untrained eye, look suspiciously like UV maps

Idk if this is a known issue

[fathom rampart]

Have you updated the mod version? I think it was fixed in 1.04 not sure

[lyric trench]

KAAN mentioned

[red escarp]

@low valley When I create a mission with F16M AI that are built at the factories. They never use active radar loadout, only IR guided.

[hasty brook]

are there any mods that are incompatible with this mod?

[rose junco]

For the time being NOTT (nuclear option tactitools), at least the version on the mod loader for the time being. You can download a preview fix from the forum post.

[hasty brook]

got it thanks

[coral jolt]

noblackbox/tacview won't be able to pick these up properly because they are custom aircraft but it's not too complicated to make a custom tacview database for them

[jagged cloud]

I installed 1.05 i thought

[cunning oyster]

I have noticed that the F-16 exhibits pitch instability and spontaneous roll during pitching.

The pitch issue is caused by inappropriate flight control parameters. A suggested set of control parameters is as follows:

"pidTransitionSpeed": 150.0,
"pitchAdjusterLimitSlow": 0.8,
"pFactorSlow": 5.0,
"dFactorSlow": 0.9,
"pitchAdjusterLimitFast": 0.4,
"pFactorFast": 2.0,
"dFactorFast": 0.018,
"rollTrimRate": 0.05,
"rollTrimLimit": 0.1,
"yawTightness": 4.0,
"rollTightness": 0.75

The key issue lies in the transition of the flight control system between low-speed and high-speed pitch PD parameters. The current switching threshold speed is too high, causing the aircraft’s PD controller to enter an overcorrecting state at high speeds, which leads to instability. In addition, the PD gains themselves also require proper tuning.

The spontaneous roll during pitching is caused by a very small asymmetry in the aircraft’s aerodynamic structure along the X-axis, resulting in a net counterclockwise rolling moment. However, the existing flight control system uses only P-control for roll, which cannot effectively suppress a constant roll-rate bias that increases with speed.

To address this issue, all asymmetric aerodynamic components need to be properly adjusted. The affected components are:

Aryx_F16M_Fuselage_Cockpit, Aryx_F16M_Fuselage_Radome, Aryx_F16M_LERX_Left, Aryx_F16M_LERX_Right, Aryx_F16M_ControlSurface_Rudder, Aryx_F16M_ControlSurface_Flap_L, Aryx_F16M_ControlSurface_Flap_R, Aryx_F16M_ControlSurface_Aileron_L, Aryx_F16M_ControlSurface_Aileron_R

[rose junco]

Goat

Thanks for this

[cunning oyster]

Additional note:

For the current flight control system used in the game, statically unstable aircraft will inevitably exhibit oscillation issues. Since the flight controller uses a PD control law for pitch and lacks an integral term to correct steady-state error, it effectively generates an oscillatory output via the P term to approximate the compensation of constant error.

Taking the FS12, which has a constant nose-up tendency, as an example:
A nose-up angular velocity appears → the flight controller detects the deviation and generates opposite stick input → the nose-up rate disappears → the controller removes the corrective input → the nose-up rate reappears once the suppression is gone.

However, when control authority is moderate and parameters are properly tuned, the amplitude of this oscillation is extremely small within a reasonable speed range and is effectively imperceptible. But for aircraft capable of extremely high speeds, it becomes difficult to tune the parameters such that this “imperceptible” range fully covers all operating conditions, resulting in oscillation issues within specific speed bands.

Furthermore, the flight controller uses a P control law for the roll and yaw axes. While this results in sharp control responses, it cannot suppress constant bias errors. Therefore, the aircraft must be made as perfectly symmetric as possible along the X-axis to avoid steady aerodynamic moment biases in the lateral and roll axes, thereby mitigating this issue.

[robust frigate]

ehh

[low valley]

hmm

[low valley]

punch those values into the FBW tuner and record the result

[bronze crag]

Just checked these values because something seemed off about them. This accentuates the role significantly. Did you perchance generate these with chat GPT?

The slow fast transition speed is barely above the takeoff speed

Half these values don't exist and I had to interpret myself. There is no pitch adjuster limit slow

And the current proof of this not fixing the issue and in fact exasperating it lies on a stream with the developer of the mod

[cunning oyster]

It is tuned by me and you misundersand the unit of speed. All parameters related to speed in FBW use "m/s" instead of "km/h", and 150m/s stands for 540km/h

[low valley]

the plane does mach 1.5 (514m/s+) with a modest combat load lending to a wide range

the PID transition speed being that low and below the corner speed lends to oscillation with high speed and payload

[cunning oyster]

And for the parameters don't existes in FBW tuner, that is because it existes in actual FBW components, but not displayed in FBW tuner

[low valley]

testing: increasing autotrim limit does help

shall do some further testing

[cunning oyster]

It's never gonna work if you want to fix the roll issue

[low valley]

roll issue is already fixed, all centres of lift, drag and mass are centred

haven't had any issues with uncommanded roll

[mossy coral]

Shouldn't yaw tightness be 4.00?

[cunning oyster]

Under the current circumstances, it is quite difficult to completely eliminate pitch oscillation across all speeds. The ideal solution would be to use a multi-stage PID system rather than the two-stage system currently used in the game. This two-stage PID structure has difficulty covering the aircraft’s full speed envelope.

If you want to prevent oscillations at high speeds, the only option is to reduce the P gain. However, doing so will cause insufficient correction at the lower-speed portion of that PID range, resulting in sluggish control response.

In other words, the parameters here inevitably involve a trade-off.

[bronze crag]

Funny you say this because I basically just did

Minor tweaks to what I originally had shipped with version 1.5 and I'm experiencing no oscillations under load in any envelope

Tested with the same loadouts that were causing issues before

Roll cannot be 100% eliminated because it's the turbines centrifugal Force being modeled

[cunning oyster]

I did not discover the issue myself. Another community member contacted me today and told me that they experienced spontaneous roll and oscillation while flying the aircraft.

[bronze crag]

Yes it has been fixed internally

[rose junco]

Internally... so you're keeping it from the public, you monsters

:b

[velvet gorge]

I have no modding experience with NO, but is LQR control an option? That's bound to yield better results compared to PID and has a more straightforward tuning process once implemented.

Additionally, can we please get 4 ARADs instead of 2? The middle wing pylon needs some love ❤️

[rose junco]

really, it sould be inner and mid wing

but anyway

[velvet gorge]

I didn't mean the wingtip pylon, but yeah you get me

I might've referred to the wrong pylon name, don't have the game launched atm

[rose junco]

there's 4 wing pylons rn. tip, outer, mid, inner

are you not a fighting falcon effitianato?

[velvet gorge]

for some reason I pictured 2 + wingtip pylons in my mind, edited my first message

[low valley]

damage internals detail passes

[frozen python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq1qkf26oE4

[low valley]

watching this, I love it already from the intro alone

[raven mica]

The intro shots are crazy

[void tree]

The mod gives me hope for an f15e/ex addition

[rose junco]

Just wait a bit longer for the ternion

[low valley]

F-16M Update 1.0.6.

• Leftward Rolling Airframe issue hopefully solved, courtesy of Assassin1076 and Tessier-Ashpool 💛
• Pitch oscillation at high speed reduced
• Induced roll when pulling Gs hopefully fixed
• Default loadout is now air superiority with a mix of AAM-29s, IRM-S2s and MMR-S3s.
• Damage gib improvements, added structural elements to control surfaces and additional internal honeycombs

https://github.com/Aryx3D/Aryx-F-16M/releases/tag/1.0.6

[low valley]

F-22E/EX is down the line

[merry harness]

MiG-23-98 when

[peak vine]

i love the design-whats the purpose of the intake being shaped like that? looks sick

[low valley]

The intake is a Diverterless Supersonic Inlet, it means there's no need for a splitter plate that adds complexity to the design

the bump compresses incoming air so that the engine gets even airflow

it's cheaper than splitters or diverters and adds additional internal volume for things like avionics

you see it on the F-35, J-20, J-10C, JF-17, etc

[pastel harness]

So this is your take on an "improved" futuristic viper?

[low valley]

Yep!

[pastel harness]

Excellent work 👍

[low valley]

basically a viper with a new engine (F120 class), EOTS, revised cockpit, AESA radar, DSI for housing more avionics, etc

[calm bridge]

isn't it also supposed to cover the engine from the front so that it is harder to see from that angle by radars?

[low valley]

It has that as a bonus effect

[peak vine]

ohhh awesome, i knew about the diverterless but never seen one shaped like that before ig

[frank monolith]

DSI is functionally the same as the classic inlet aero wise

[rough ember]

Best part is that it's a real thing, well the intake anyways

[frank monolith]

F-16's diverted inlet didnt have any overpressure doors or diverter vents

[pastel harness]

Planes like this make me wish we had like a simple startup mod or something, nothing too crazy like dcs but just some basic switches you hit in sequence.
And still have one button you can hit to skip that altogether though if you don't want to

[low valley]

bout to have the shortest update cadence of all time

1.0.7 adds nav light toggling

[peak vine]

what is this

[low valley]

F-16 used as a tech demonstrator for DSIs in the JSF program

[scenic bramble]

otherwise known as absolute peak

[queen flicker]

love it, I saw it but forgot to report it

[low valley]

https://github.com/Aryx3D/Aryx-F-16M/releases/tag/1.0.7

[frozen python]

Which aircraft are currently on the plan? (man I'm going to be feasting content wise lol)

[low valley]

A gigantic multirole heavy cargo aircraft that can serve as a bomber, gunship or AWACS
An F-22EX
A MiG-29K
a vtol goober
and a scout heli

[calm bridge]

<<Aryx's Down!>>

[low valley]

and a mach 3 interceptor

[brisk coyote]

and then the craft from 2025 right?

[low valley]

ya

[low valley]

you can keep track of the dev of stuff in the discord for my modding stuff in the main post of this thread

[frozen python]

hole mole

how long do you think all of this will take?!

that's crazy

(in the good way)

good luck!!!

[frozen python]

bet

[orchid sierra]

im lookin forward to when the scout heli eventually gets made

[low valley]

all of em will be out within the next 6 months

[orchid sierra]

we will be eatin good when they come out

[wraith mauve]

any idea which one comes first? cargo sounds mad interesting

[low valley]

MC-360 Chimera (big cargo plane), then F-22EX Strike Raptor

[brisk coyote]

in the order she listed them

[orchid sierra]

definetely lookin forward to the chimera and whatever becomes of the scout heli

[frozen python]

We have been blessed

[wraith mauve]

awesome, looking forward to that big time

[hot hemlock]

[prisma iron]

Loving the F-16. Do you suppose you could fit a dual or quad rack for PAB 120S/80LR would fit on the center pylon?

[low valley]

It can carry 18 of them already, how many do you need

[orchid sierra]

you can never have enough glide bombs

[wraith mauve]

screw it, install a rotary bomb pod on the f-16

[prisma iron]

Also more seriously and superficially, seems like they would fit well there while leaving other pilons free, and a single bomb on there looks kinda silly haha

[ripe flame]

What's the difference between the F-22E, F-22EX, and a regular F-22?

[low valley]

F-22E/EX are the same thing

It's basically a navalised, upgraded export model

Upgrades from the base model raptor include improved avionics, a larger weapon bay, all-moving rudders, an EOTS, diverterless bleed grille intakes, and improved engines

it doesn't have a diverter gap but instead a large suction grille ahead of the flush inlet to provide onboard avionics air conditioning and improved stealth + internal volume

[rose junco]

im sorry, all moving rudders?

like the 57?

[rough ember]

Center quad pablo looks pretty fun

Ground clearance is a bit ehh, though

[low valley]

yes

[peak vine]

one bump and theyre dead

[tardy bison]

that livery is amazing

[rose junco]

Is this anothe instance of me just being old, but that seems like a very poor choce for stability

But

You're the chef

[low valley]

they’ll be fine for stability and allow for a smaller total rudder size

improving wave drag and stealth

[rose junco]

What about just yawing in general? Isn't that overall worse?

[low valley]

nope, will have more yaw authority as a result

[bronze crag]

Is it bad that I put so much time looking at the damn thing that I know exactly when something uses my detail layer 😭

[rose junco]

It does, in fact give it the ability to yaw a lot more, i saw that much coming.

You better cook.

[low valley]

I intend to cook regarding all of my creations

first up is the chimera

which will be glorious

[tardy bison]

idek even know what that means

[orchid sierra]

honestly im stoked for everything on your list

[low valley]

Chimera is going to be a monster to put it bluntly

[bronze crag]

The text walkable area lines and the base skin it's built off of is the one I made and released

I only know this because I spent far too much time staring at them

[orchid sierra]

any details on the scout heli you'd be willing to share or nothing on that yet?

[low valley]

in the gunship role you can mount two 152mm railguns like the AC130

[orchid sierra]

oh

oh

[low valley]

It's the least developed of the concepts but will basically be a stealthy little bird with ATP-1s and a tank hunting radar

[rough ember]

And it is absolutely amazing!

||I'm not gonna forget putting your name on the workshop description||

[orchid sierra]

ngl i was hoping for a kiowa but that also sounds cool as hell

[low valley]

probably a crossbreed of the two

[orchid sierra]

thank you aryx for cooking

[tall copper]

Aryx, Idea.

[low valley]

sup

[tall copper]

Illuminate Stingray 🔥

[low valley]

wilt emoji

[bronze crag]

No need

They're in the server. They're out of my hands

[tall copper]

this would be absolute cinema

[wraith mauve]

tie defender when

[tall copper]

also apparently this took you 5 days?

[rough ember]

Still, credit where due. Cuz otherwise I was going to have a pain in the ass fight with trying to paint them myself

[tall copper]

and it's nice to meet a space engineers modeler?

[tardy bison]

ah

[tall copper]

MODDER*

[tardy bison]

why is the vanduul in here

[tall copper]

jesus christ

[tall copper]

the what now

[brisk coyote]

the second you said stingray in a fighter jet context, my mind immediately jumped to the atrocity that is the FO4 fighter jet 🥀

[bronze crag]

Chat. Just add an f104 at this point

[wraith mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-redraws-akakichi-no-eleven-redraws-insane-asylum-insane-gif-4104415833497517860

[tall copper]

oh dear lord, what is the FO4 fighter

[bronze crag]

@low valley I have an idea

[tall copper]

EUUUUUGGH

[brisk coyote]

you don't want to know

[tardy bison]

dont tempt aryx

[wraith mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/super-star-destroyer-star-wars-spaceship-gif-17332373

idea

[tall copper]

WHAT IS THAAAAAAAAT EEWWWW

[tardy bison]

its peak

👎

[bronze crag]

I'm fcking tempting her

She should

No reason it should be in game. It's just really funny

[tardy bison]

ill watch it when it comes on on streaming services

[prisma iron]

You have a head cannon for what factions your stuff belongs to?

[bronze crag]

Such the guy asking for an illuminate fighter

[tardy bison]

vanduul*

[orchid sierra]

THIS

caps*

[tall copper]

I'm TEmpting her with these

[orchid sierra]

lowkey curious aswell to that question

[tall copper]

at least the damn things make sense for where they come from, the cait is a genuine atrocity

[tardy bison]

oh im sorry those are from hd2

sorry

i thought it was a clone of the glaive

[rose junco]

A brick is more powerful then those

[tall copper]

Debatable

[low valley]

MiG-15: Both
F-16M: Both
MC-260 Chimera: Both
F-22EX: BDF
Interceptor: BDF
Light VTOL: PALA
Scout Heli: PALA

[tardy bison]

the glaive when met with 4 size 4 CF-447 rhinos:

[low valley]

hence my fantastic concept art dafts for the chimera

[tall copper]

btw Aryx

[bronze crag]

Ooooh you want to

[tall copper]

You remember space engineers?

[low valley]

unfortunately

[tall copper]

what's so unfortunate about SE?

[low valley]

Lost my passion for it

[tall copper]

mmhh... well I still use your mods, but you should still make the illuminate stingray 🔥

(ts is so annoying)

[brisk coyote]

A visitor from a vastly different timeline, the Stingray Deluxe is an odd fighter. Deployed in time for the Primevan Revolution, but was in service alongside the F-84. It has a massive RCS, and cannot carry missiles.
Spoilered for personnel safety

[tall copper]

Banish that thing to the shadow realm

[prisma iron]

Interesting, for whatever reason I always figured the BDF to be legacy NATO aligned and PALA to be more eastern stuff. Like BDF bought F-16s, and the PALA flew MiGs

[brisk coyote]

that is infinitely better than the abomination

[low valley]

Both were allies back in the day and I headcanon both as redfor during the cold war

[bronze crag]

The r531 morbius from Ace combat 3

[low valley]

then after the cold war ended they kinda snivelled up and bought f16s in the 2030s

come 2076, primevan revolution and they fall out with boscali

everything goes to shit, war in the pacific ensues

[wraith mauve]

idea

[tall copper]

Why

[bronze crag]

Do not bring up the 40K planes. They are not real and do not exist

Anyway, Valkyrie in nuclear option wen

[prisma iron]

Would fit well with whatever airframes remain conically as flown by both

[orchid sierra]

i just want a kiowa or B1..

[brisk coyote]

The stingray's final contribution to this world would be to act as target drones for the F-106G program, which it did with the glamour of the wasteland most of the ray's kin would retire to.

[wraith mauve]

Lancer my beloved...

[tall copper]

Stingray...

I wanna pull a 30 G stop and slowly strafe across the ground

[bronze crag]

Every time I hear a ridiculous suggestion, I'm parroting back with the project hail Mary

[tall copper]

better prepare your Ctrl C and Ctrl V

because we're making this shit dummy

[bronze crag]

We? who's we?

There was never a We

[sacred plank]

ALIEN SCUMBAG!