[0.33] KAR-BOTE Combined Arms

[spark ruin]

with a mod update

[half timber]

Thats what i meant

[half timber]

Dude imagine infantry

And then playable infantry

[spark ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[spark ruin]

ant vs hydrogen bomb and railgun 155mm

[half timber]

Battlefield 6 but better

[spark ruin]

infantry would have to be super buffed

ultra buffed even

we would need goku to get playable infantry so its balanced

tbh infantry would be kinda useless

the maps are made for planes

[half timber]

No no

To kill

[spark ruin]

so theyre big

[half timber]

Not for them to do anything

Just fuel for my 30mm brawler gun

[spark ruin]

uh

yeah but playable would be useless

deployable infantry to ibis

also give infantry squad to tarantula

it just makes sense

[half timber]

Frrrr

And make them be able to deploy

Amazing

At least we can deploy vehicles

[spark ruin]

this

[half timber]

Yes

Naval and ground liveries would have been sick but apparently hard

And not planned

[spark ruin]

what could you possibly need a ship livery for

you cant paint a stealth ship

for ground i guess

but for naval it shouldnt

except for the carriers

[half timber]

Dude you can add decals flags accents

Like i want to add a turkish flag on the hyperion deck

[spark ruin]

yeah but realistically you would nt paint a stealth vessel

with normal paint

especially shipa

ships

although like i said

carriers

should be

since idk how youre gonna make a big ahh brick stealth in any way

[hushed rapids]

Oh, I see. However, the loading time for the PALA spearhead is four seconds, and it uses 130-millimeter shells. So I'm a bit confused about this. Could it be that the firepower of the spearhead is very weak? That can't be right, can it?

[half timber]

Does qol work with kar bote

[lyric coral]

How do I even start building with the LCAC?

[half timber]

why doesnt it work

oh shoot the blueprinterarrr

wait doesnt blueprinter need tobe updated

its still .17

[spark ruin]

g

[charred barn]

it survived the update intact :D

[wooden vector]

With R9's on the Dynamos SAM A and SAM B slots the R9's will misfire (Spiral into the ocean) when engaging targets off the Dynamos 10-7 o' clock and 2-5 o'clock positions (medium altitude, 15-10 km range)

directly ahead and directly behind seem to not misfire as often

[vague geyser]

so the bugs still exist

[half timber]

Amazing

[half timber]

You, aryx, justj and noms are the beasts of modding

[lyric coral]

I still don’t know how to get into the base builder mode with LCAC

[mild rivet]

BOTE fixed yet?

[lyric coral]

Somewhat

[mild rivet]

does the R9 still do back flip

[balmy hornet]

Real dumb question, but I tried moving the LCAC and I could only get it to spin in place. I was using controller. Any thought?

[balmy hornet]

Yup

[mild rivet]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kurt-angle-kurt-angle-meme

[lyric coral]

Ibis throttle

[half timber]

Aka custom axis 1

[spark ruin]

it uses the same controls as the ibis smol back props or ur manual thrust vectoring key

[balmy hornet]

Ahhh! Thank you! I'll give it a try again when I get home

[half timber]

Yes it does

(For anyone wondering)

[spark ruin]

yeah although it is sometimes hard to control

just saying

the lcac really loves to not turn if youre on land

[lyric coral]

What are the controls to be able to do this with the LCAC?

[spark ruin]

when you go to cargo options select the fob checkbox at the top

you will be able to then deploy a fob

which is i think where you build

[lyric coral]

Ah

[spark ruin]

did they also add any new vehicles or stuff in new kar update

[hushed rapids]

@charred barn Hello? Is there something about me that seems a bit impolite?

[charred barn]

Sorry, i got a bit distracted and missed that 😅

The balance between weapons hasn't been tuned very much at all, but from my experience the spearhead 130mm has been performing decently

[lyric coral]

Ngl there should be a priority system like targeting the ordnance closest to you while having all ordnance selected

[spark ruin]

nikkorap is this true

qol tip

[lyric coral]

Canon by default tbh

[spark ruin]

omaneko is the only thing i thought when i saw that

[misty veldt]

Wait can a player tula sling load another playee in a kar?

[sharp prism]

Nope

[spark ruin]

i once did it but i got sent to the shadow realm of -500m

it picked them up, and sent me to the shadow realm

later attempts did not even pick it up

[flint swan]

Not sure if it still exists but look up palan catboy on the p2082 wiki

[spark ruin]

this is literally just the boykisser

is there a bdf one

why is there a article about a goddamn watermelon

???

this wiki is peak

WHY DOES THE WATERMELON HAVE ARMOR STATS

[royal mist]

this mod is cool asf but also the boats handle pretty badly

[rain cliff]

they are boats?

[royal hinge]

You mean to tell me that the boats handle like boats?

[spark ruin]

a boat cant pull a kobra sir

[royal mist]

it's not that, it's that they don't like to maintain course.
Probably because of the control scheme not having been made with ships and tanks in mind

[spark ruin]

if you want sharp turns use a small inflatable boat

[royal hinge]

Ah, fair enough. That's valid.

You know, I wonder if the maker of NOAutopilot might make something for KAR and BOTE. Having a system that would let a bote maintain a heading automatically would be nice.

[wooden vector]

Usually if you slow down a bit they hold course somewhat better

But yeah not perfectly

Shard has it the worst I think. Dynamo mostly stays on the course you set

I haven't tried the carriers

[karmic bolt]

I think it would be cool if you could pass the control of the vehicle to the AI without destroying it

[ember shore]

Hey, dumb question, where can I find the boats to spawn?

oh, at the carrier. fair enough.

[restive tusk]

The new BOTE`s update is 9/10 (Peldivers and NL-98 are tuff, but the R-9 still doesnt work)

[hushed rapids]

OK. And I'm sorry. These remarks were from my friend's inquiry. I hope they won't cause you any trouble. I'm sorry.

[restive tusk]

You can also place the ship docks with the mission editor, you can spawn there with every kind of ships

[amber granite]

at this point the p2082 is just art brut

strap him onto a missile and launch him at primeva

[autumn gate]

The 130mm has "dumb" shells with a small fraction of the range of the 127mm, which are guided and easily capable of hitting moving targets from 20km+ from datalink info alone

[autumn gate]

At docks too, you can place them in editor yourself, build them with the LCAC, or download and play one of the many "KAR+BOTE" mission versions that are available

[amber granite]

is there a way to remove an ill-placed FOB or a helipad?

[meager dragon]

waaaa i wish there were more dedicated multiplayer servers

[lyric coral]

I wish the better logistics system was thing already

That and I want to build more bases and the ability to build specific things like the 23mm AA with the MSV

[open citrus]

quick question, do i always have to put down an airbase base when building a FoB ? or can i "upgrade" the current FoB with more spawns ?

[amber granite]

is the AI not going to repair it?

[nimble sapphire]

No clue

[robust saffron]

Pala MQ-99 art?

[open citrus]

damn they really do be firing flying bricks

[austere socket]

you need to for it to act as an actual airbase, its a way to get around the fact that if the game cant find a solid place to spawn an aircraft it literally implodes, so you provide the solid place (allows for water bases and such)

you dont have to place it down, but then it will not be able to spawn aircraft. Defensive buildings will still work though and vehicle depots will still work as normal, just not with kar spawns

[uncut current]

would editing what buildings belongs to an existing airbase mid-match be possible?

[sage rune]

how do you place the buildings in the builder? its just red and idk the buttons

nvm found it out

[austere socket]

technically

[unreal agate]

love how i can set up a ton of Hexhound SAMS to lure planes into an ambush

[pulsar glacier]

I turned singleplayer Escalation into WT top tier SPAA sim by strapping four RAM-45s and two IRM-S2s to a Ford F-150

[autumn gate]

https://tenor.com/view/outstanding-move-chess-gif-13401529

[hybrid patio]

is bote compatable with QoL?

[uncut current]

yeah

[kindred swan]

How do I spawn in as a ship?

[quaint nimbus]

Docks - Spawn every ships
Shard - None
Dynamo - Shard Corvette
Annex & Hyperion - Dynamos, Shard Corvette and Landing Craft

Argus and LFD currently cannot spawn Shards

[kindred swan]

Ah alright thanks

[ember shore]

Does anyone have links to some missions optimized for playing with BOTE btw?

Assuming they even exist yet

[valid sparrow]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3700043301

There are i think like, 3? if you just search BOTE or KAR in the workshop

[hazy hedge]

im pretty sure 2 of em will show up on the first page when you enter the workshop

pvp ones

[sand hatch]

how do you launch aircraft out of the aircraft carrier?

[azure loom]

You have to assign the keys

in settings

scroll all the way down

on control settings

[sand hatch]

thanks

[azure loom]

no problem

[sand hatch]

which key do you recommend?

[azure loom]

i use arrow keys

[hazy hedge]

actually did the bote update fix your launcher aircraft just crashing into eachother or driving off the deck?

didnt have a chance to test carriers yet

[sand hatch]

how do you restock on aircraft and choose their armaments?

cricket spam is amazing

[hazy hedge]

i dont think you can restock on aircraft

and cricket spam is only good in pve in pvp its really bad lol

[real crystal]

we are so back. can't really play nuclear option without my kar and my bote

[flint swan]

She kar on my bote till I

[sand hatch]

what aircraft loadout do you have on your carriers?

[hazy hedge]

i use vortex, medusa and compass and the medusa+compass like to crash

same goes for using helicopters on the ship i forgot the name for

last time i used it

i launched 3 helis and 2 crashed

[sand hatch]

it doesn't give me the option to spawn vortexs

[hazy hedge]

huh? since when

you can spawn all helis and crickets, medusas, vortex, compass on the carrier

idk if thats all

but yeah

[sand hatch]

ahh i see what the issue was

[desert delta]

yay, Spearhead SPG refitted to 127mm has fixed the shells self destructing in air problem! (also shell looks like Copperhead now)

[mellow escarp]

Yo guys

How to spawn dock

I dont have any in mission editor spawner

Plz help

Ive asked it on 2082 discord channel but seems to be no one is coming to help me

[rotund tulip]

You gotta spawn the landing craft on a carrier with the fob, then delay the fob on the water

I think landing craft spawn is a lil bigger rn tho

[mellow escarp]

What is a fob?

[spark ruin]

forward operating base

[thin bay]

what ?,

Unbalanced ?

ehe, loser says what ?

[naive stirrup]

i have installed bepinex and bote and both them are up to date

[thin bay]

"i love the great agm spammer 3000 idc if its unbalanced"

[spark ruin]

does anyone know how to fix the purple names in cargo selection and fob builder

[uncut current]

launch the game with vulkan

[spark ruin]

ok

[spark ruin]

is there a way to increase fob building budget

[naive stirrup]

there are no dock

help guys

im begging u

[cobalt radish]

do you have blueprinter

[unreal agate]

so how do i actually deploy the FOB? i ahev the buttons mapped and all that and the FOB is selected but nothing happens

[hoary bear]

Fire

[uncut current]

fob: ready turns green when its selected

[unreal agate]

OOOOOOH, i had it backward, i thought blue was selected

thx!!!

[austere socket]

newest version should have fixed that

[lusty zodiac]

I do not know what mod this was from again... QoL? But getting rearmed in a ship by a naval container costs money and that's both cursed and hilarious

[uncut current]

im pretty sure vanilla 0.33 added the resupply cost message

[mellow escarp]

Ohhh

Noo i dont

[austere socket]

side effect of 0.33 breaking the logic i had before to counter that, it will probably be changed in the future

either a fixed cost (naval container) or just the base cost multiplied down

also does currently at least stem the bit of just constantly resupplying a player dynamo to obliterate everything though lmao

[mellow escarp]

Do yall have link to blueprinter?

[austere socket]

check first message of thread

[uncut current]

500 ashms

[lusty zodiac]

I see, thanks for the answer 👍🏻

[misty veldt]

the eyeball mk1 is wild

[tepid laurel]

can i get the download link for kar-bote cuz aprrently 0.33 patch is here

[fickle fractal]

Both mods are compatible with 0.33

when you open them on github you can go to releases and download the newest versions

[balmy hornet]

Is it possible when commanding a ship to resupply at a dock? I feel like I read somewhere it is

[unreal agate]

tbh i wish it was possible to resupply from munitions containers on shore. Because the resupply command doesnt seem to work for me ever. Its either the tarantula never spawns or if it does, it gets stuck somewhere and dies eventually

[balmy hornet]

Yeah I've been really enjoying carrier activities, but the resupply mechanic basically means I have to restart every game or buy a new one, and slowly plug my away across the map again

Maybe a temp invulnerability for the resupplying aircraft might help?

[unreal agate]

When I did finally get to pilot the carrier for the first time, I was very happy to see the ai able to spawn on it!

[fringe pier]

i'll forever miss you, 180x agm ❤️

[sage rune]

R.I.P 180 AGM launcher🥀

[red pebble]

True but tbh it was kinda busted

[flat remnant]

I may be stupid, but why add "pylons" to LCAC, if it won't even move because of weight?

Ok, I am stupid, it won't move even if it's fully empty. What am I doing wrong?

[uncut current]

you need to set throttle with the thrust vector keys

pitch and throttle keys basically does nothing on lcac

[flat remnant]

thrust vector keys?

[uncut current]

its basically the tail fan on the ibis

the same keys you use for manual ibis thrust/vtol thrust vector

[flat remnant]

im only familiar with holding "toggle flight assist control" locking thrust vectoring

can't find any thrust vector controls

those?

[uncut current]

yeah

[flat remnant]

so then what this one does?

[uncut current]

im honestly not sure

you only need up and down for lcac

[flat remnant]

bruh i'm getting brian damage after dcs, ed and fartthunder controls... just can't comprehend what is happening here

[flat remnant]

thx

[hazy hedge]

you can still use it

just allow event content

[sharp prism]

Arrow up and down

[flat remnant]

okay, another stupid question: is there any possibility to control camera when building FOB?

[uncut current]

should be same keybinds as spectator camera

[fickle fractal]

Using the type 12 railgun to hit manually aimed snipes from across the universe is so satisfying

[lean jolt]

anyone try carrier command 3 and die on loading?

[craggy cipher]

Still can't go comfortably back and getting kicked out of the spectator also gettiing fob disabled

[sand hatch]

how does the new gear movement system on the ground vehicles work?

[unreal agate]

Since we're talking about FOB building, is there a way to rotate the parts?

[nocturne juniper]

its q and e (for me at least, probably uses the yaw input)

[unreal agate]

Damn didn't try that, was just using mouse wheel lol

[lusty zodiac]

Still exists, just enable event content in mission paramaters

[lyric coral]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-idea-have-angel-mr-gif-18079285301808086855

[hearty badge]

I have brought up rocket propelled Pab 80s multiple times. Unfortunately, they're a bit too much work to be worth it right now.

But if we do add them in, we have to ask ourselves whether we want them to have missile IR signatures or be kept as IR immune bombs.

This isn't a lore question, it is a balance question.

[lyric coral]

IR signature maybe

[hoary bear]

It has a motor, so it gets a signature.

[amber granite]

But what if the motor is discarded?

[night surge]

If you can give them a IR sig for during the boost phase (And give said boost phase a actually actionable time for said IR missiles to intercept) and then drop it after the booster drops that would be ideal

[unreal agate]

Isn't that essentially what the US Navy is trying to do right now? Put a rocket motor on a GBU?

[night surge]

But PAB-80's already get eaten like snacks if they are tossed into any sort of LAMS net

[hearty badge]

They are definitely a cool weapon idea, and we MIGHT see them on either Kar or Bote.
But I can't promise anything.

[wooden vector]

Depends on how much capacity they have really. If you like only get as many as a compass at most (for a vehicle) and as much as a bomber or three for ships that doesn't feel like it would be crazy for being untargetable by IR

[night surge]

Give em to the Cruser in Bote when you get around to it as a VLS option

[wooden vector]

especially if they're 80's instead of 250's so you can't as easily hit bigger stuff with them

[unreal agate]

I feel like, even irl it's trying to fill a hole that isn't there

[night surge]

Cheap as shit CM's is the role those weird boosted glide bombs are trying to fill

[hearty badge]

The hole might just be lower costs.
You already have the bomb. You just slap a tube with a little bit of boom behind it, and now you have cruise missiles.

[unreal agate]

Oh glide bomb that's a different story. But regular ol bombs with a motor attached would be useless imo haha

[hearty badge]

We are moving away from a society where the different industries have proper budgets and moving more towards "five people own all the wealth and everyone else must fight for sticks."

[unreal agate]

It's basically AGM

[night surge]

A short range low yield(Relative) yanky cruise missile, but still effectively a cruise missile

[hearty badge]

As such, reusing assets is increasingly important.

[unreal agate]

Let's put a rocket motor on a GBU-27 lol.

Or whatever the games equivalent is

[hearty badge]

Rocket assisted GBM-500

[unreal agate]

let's go over kill. Rocket GBM-500LR. Cruise bomb with bomblets

Also I guess I'm not allowed to cuss here? Rip lol

[spark ruin]

guys

what the hell does vehicle depot mk 2 do

is it a spawnpoint for kar or something?

[unreal agate]

I would imagine it's a spawn point for ai tanks or whatever when you donate to the faction?

[night surge]

It's a normal depot that is also a valid spawn point for Kars

[spark ruin]

player kar?

bc it wont let me spawn there with player kar

[night surge]

Player tanks

Need to put a Airbase point with it linked to it

[lusty zodiac]

Out of curiosity, has anyone found actual use for the Active Protection System? It really does just seem vastly inferior to the 70kW laser and sucks that it only fits on PALA IFVs. Really makes me not wanna use some of the BDF stuff because it just doesn't shoot automatically (yes, I have fire at will on, it still doesn't do anything)

[unreal agate]

i find that a lot of turrets just dont shoot at times

[lusty zodiac]

they also do that sometimes, yea

[royal hinge]

The APS is amazing if you can manage to use it manually against incoming munitions. I do not think there is a single interceptable munition that it cannot stop, save for maybe a Piledriver TBM.

When it does work automatically, though, it is also quite nice.

[lusty zodiac]

Yea I've never had it work automatically at all

I think it might have some issues with tracking, maybe it sees aircraft or other munitions in the air and prioritizes those even though it can't hit them? Not sure

Their abysmal range doesn't do it any favors

I get that it can intercept bombs (according to you) but... man

[royal hinge]

It's guaranteed to stop most things within its 200m range if it actually manages to get a shot off in time, which for me it does quite often.

I don't know what's making it derp out for you.

Then again, I haven't used it in the 0.33 update.

[lusty zodiac]

200 meters? It does not seem like 200 meters at all, gonna try that out in a bit

[royal hinge]

Maybe they changed something with the turret targeting, who knows.

[lusty zodiac]

it seems like it detonates maybe 18 meters out from you at the furthest

but maybe that's just visual

gonna try it in a bit

[royal hinge]

Its maximum effective range is either 100m or 200m, I forget which.

[royal hinge]

Perhaps. It could be a mix of visual oddities and stupidly large AoE, since it does seem to airburst.

[lusty zodiac]

yea no, shot the APS at 80m at an agm-48 and it did fuckall

when I prefired it and it got within like 30 or something meters I got one this time, but that is fck knows how short of a timeframe to react to

unless there's something I'm missing, beyond the possibility to intercept bombs and whatnot, I just can't like the APS

[austere socket]

Not sure what will end up being the result, but I do have plans to allow for a more reliable and more than one resupply in singleplayer, but I have been working on fixing other stuff first to make sure stuff functions as intended [except the AI resupply I hate that guy now :(]

[real crystal]

the APS can block missiles in very quick succession and instantly. LADS can take some time. it saved me plenty of times when an AGM 48 popped up above a hill

[lusty zodiac]

no clue how it's saved you tbh

the thing has virtually no range and struggles with multiple incoming projectiles as much as the lads does. At least if you're out in the open the lads has plenty of time to intercept AGMs or lynch/kingpings

must have some insane timing with the APS to intercept 4+ agms shot at you consecutively with virtually no spacing

I would love to see clips of it doing anything, I just cannot see how it performs well at all

[charred barn]

The aps is an enigma, it's a lot more reliable in singleplayer

[lusty zodiac]

Oh, if it performs better in SP then that might be it

[charred barn]

latency murders it's performance due to it's very limited range

[lusty zodiac]

I see, especially given you have like no time at all to even shoot it yourself. The range of it is absurdly short for how fast incoming munitions move

[plucky horizon]

ive had APS do everything from intercepting every missile fired at me to not even trying to shoot

[lusty zodiac]

For me it's literally just the latter

but I play predominantly MP

[plucky horizon]

yes that would be a big part of it

[fickle fractal]

there seems to be scenarios where turreted weapons will just get stuck

and you'll have to cycle through all your weapons to get them to be able to aim again

its only happened to me a couple times so i dont think its common but it can happen

[old oar]

huh someone got lost here...

omg he screams 😂

[cinder trail]

APS misbehaves on anything but low latency

APS will strictly target munitions when possible

rarely it'll target aircraft

or ground vehicles

[glacial flame]

I like the APS, For me it's excellent.

[spare orbit]

Now we wait for cursor to be added

[mellow escarp]

And argus

[buoyant plover]

was writing up a big question asking if this no longer worked and turns out I had the old unpatched config for UW in the folder still and that's what I was editing instead of the one that was actually being used lmfao

[vital pollen]

Just started using the 0.33 update of the mod, and it seems that most stratolancers just refuse to fire at anything?

[wooden vector]

ye R9's are still buggy

Also for boats

[vital pollen]

So for both ground and boats right now?

[wooden vector]

for boats they fire but they do the flip and often spiral into the ocean before correcting

[vital pollen]

Cause even normal R9 batteries they just straight up dont shoot

[wooden vector]

oh, that's weird, the regular ones that are preplaced on missions work fine

[vital pollen]

The one that i just experienced is Escalation, the Battery near Maris airport just does not fire at all, even though they all have ammo and the radar truck is right next to them

So every match everything on the Northeast side of the map just gets nuked by the Ballistic launchers with nothing even attempting to shoot them down

So i just spawned on the PALA, fired off 8 piledrivers with a darkreach to each corner of the BDF side, and the entire game just froze and crashed as the piledrivers started to come down

Cant tell if its just some issue on my end, but there is something seriously wrong

[unreal agate]

For me they work once I place down the launchers after the radar but if the radar gets destroyed and I replace it. They refuse to fire at all anymore

[fleet ridge]

It would be so cool to get a tank/IFV chassis AAG-AAM combo [that's not a LCV]...

Or a tank/IFV chassis AAG-SARH combo. Literally just Aerosentry with a missile launcher on top of it.

[sleek hatch]

is it normal that some vehicles are over the weight capacity with just single item selected and no fuel inside?

[wooden vector]

yes, don't worry, this is the maximum takeoff weight

You won't need to take off

for a more serious answer, yeah I see that on a lot of vehicles but it doesn't feel like it gives any sort of serious performance decrease

[fleet ridge]

It only ever matters when you go uphill on a heavy vehicle (it becomes quite torturous).

[wooden vector]

yes I think the most it matters for normal vehicle operation is braking distance

[sleek hatch]

also another weird thing i noticed
if you are driving the carrier and going at speeds above 90km/h then planes and helis crash while taking off. helis crash into the bridge and planes just refuse to take off and crash into the front of bridge by hard turning into it

like here. medusa refused to take off and just left the plane in that spot
speed 80 km/h this time tho

[vital compass]

Where/how do you spawn the big boat?

[unreal agate]

Got to have a ship dock, or build it with the lcac with a fob

Otherwise, you can spawn out of the back of a carrier with a shard or a Dynamo

[upbeat notch]

I dont think its necessarily MTOW because like it doesnt do anything

Ive only really flown with it on the Chicane

and that just makes it so i cant turn as fast

[rustic kettle]

it is MTOW if i remember most vehicles can take off above MTOW just not well

[wooden vector]

Yeah its weird cause like ibis definitely feels ass above it

but also kidna realistic cause mtow IRL is also not like, a hard limit

[rustic kettle]

i think for bigger like cargo planes it tends to be closer

cause they operate closer to the my wings will break limit

but combat aircraft iirc MTOW is more or an effective take off weight then a hard limit

[wooden vector]

usually its related to takeoff distance more than anything else

[rustic kettle]

ye

[sleek hatch]

is this intentional? presume not
boltstrike... shouldnt be an option for this vehicle

[spark ruin]

oh my god the eyeballs mk1 scream

this is so cursed

[sleek hatch]

i wouldnt say the bots are even okay at taking off...
how do you even menage to cut off your own wing when taking off from a carrier
i get like scraching against and stopping but to commint to the bit is just stupid

[spark ruin]

i once watched a bot get his chicane obliterated

literally on fire, and only the cockpit left

and engines

thats all that was left of his chicane

HE SOMEHOW

travevelled 10km

and landed safely

the bots are truly something else

[rustic kettle]

"aerodynamic optimization"

[verbal kernel]

i might be very stupid but how does one spawn the ships, ive made the ship dock but i cant spawn anything

[sharp prism]

you gotta connect it to a airfield, whether that be a custom on or built in one

in the mission editor, click on the shipdock and you should see something along the lines of 'airfield'

[verbal kernel]

ah ok thanks

[spark ruin]

also

[spark ruin]

if u ever place a dock on the ground

ur going to spawn underground

[sharp prism]

guys look at this super secret BDF zeppelin 😍

OPH SHOOT WRONG SERVER SORRY

[pallid oak]

the asylum is leaking

[spark ruin]

PALATRASH :pala: SHOULD GO 🏃‍♂️ 💨 INTO THE ⬅️ DUMPSTER 🫢 BOSCALI :bdf: RULES!

primeva 2082 server got obliterated

cuz a SINGLE person pinged all of bdf

[rustic kettle]

yaaa

[spark ruin]

bdf ontop

https://tenor.com/view/bdf-boscali-boscali-defense-force-scream-if-you-love-scream-if-you-love-bdf-gif-13529709749493055356

[rustic kettle]

don't even starrtttt

[spark ruin]

nuh uh

bdf good

pala bad

palaslopians

[lusty zodiac]

This happens when you accidentally use the deploy unit keybind, has nothing to do with the vehicle, though some do it harder than others

works perfectly fine

also make sure to lower your gear before you deploy vehicles

[sleek hatch]

What button am i supposed to use then?

[lusty zodiac]

Again, you lower your gear first and then deploy the units after

in the screenshot, your ramp is up

that's why you were flung around

use whatever keybindings are easy to use

[wooden vector]

It took so long for me to figure out you needed to deploy the gear lmao

It said deploy:safe

Where is deploy:gear in bright red

=D

[crisp quest]

is kar/bote breaking my chicane nosegun a known issue? it becomes unable to fire at targets that are too close, for some reason

this thread seems to move a little fast for bug reports of that sort but I figure I ought to mention it

[lusty zodiac]

Where, on the Hyperion?

[crisp quest]

huh?

on the chicane

[lusty zodiac]

oh sorry I misread

I misread it as chicanes you deploy get their noses taken off, mb

[crisp quest]

yeah the gun just stops working on what should be valid targets under like a kilometer, I'm not sure of the exact range

might be closer to 500m

i like to fly with my kar friends in my chicane but it's gotten harder as of the new versions

[lusty zodiac]

yea I'm unsure, don't use the Chicane enough. I know there's some internal code that prevents you from shooting yourself, maybe it's overreacting

no clue, really

[wooden vector]

I do believe it's part of the known bugs in BOTE current release

#1488992920316018788 message

mentioned in that post that turrets will sometimes not fire on targets within 200m

[crisp quest]

hmm I was definitely firing on ground targets but that is almost certainly the bug causing the problem

so all is well

oh i see "if target is not on the ground" it shouldn't be a problem, i misread

[fickle fractal]

if its red going up hills will be miserable

the tanks can kinda manage it anyway tho

[rustic kettle]

i've never had issues

just need a little momentum

[fickle fractal]

if im trying to skyrim horse up a mountain weight is super noticeable

but other than that it mostly only feels like it affects how fast you can stop

[rustic kettle]

ya

[tepid laurel]

aight thx

[tepid laurel]

Yeah Ai spawn on u cuz ur an airbase watch out tho on ships like dyna helis will somte struggle to land or takeoff ur going 150

[vital compass]

So I've built a ship dock, but I can't spawn from it.

[unreal agate]

need to tie it to an airbase, lemme hop on and take some screenshots and hopefully help others in the thread as well

[lusty zodiac]

The airbase portion is the relevant part

if you build one in-game via the LCAC you need to make sure to build an airbase center next to the dock, otherwise it won't see it as a FOB

You can also create custom airbases in the mission editor and add those docks onto them to make the boat spawns a bit more obvious to other players

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1486563120339095674/1496669140767870999/1263913448056815669.gif

[unreal agate]

FOR SPAWNING SHIPS WITH THE FOB BUILT WITH THE OTB-31 LANDING CRAFT (LCAC)

First, if you want to do this in game, you need to buy a LCAC, either from a carrier or an already placed Ship Dock.
Next you want to go to CARGO OPTIONS, just above the FLY button, be sure to check the box to the right for FORWARD OPERATING BASE.
Go to where you want to place it (be sure to have the keybinds setup as well) MAKE SURE THE FOB IS SELECTED, will show as green when selected, blue when not.
It will bring up the BUILD MENU, you need to have the AIRBASE CENTER placed or it wont work, then place your SHIP DOCK as well.

Click FINALIZE, and there ya go, you now have access to the ships provided you can afford them

if this guide is decent enough maybe it can be pinned for future questions?

[lusty zodiac]

More extensive than my watered down one, this should work for the vast majority of people

[unreal agate]

pictures are worth a ton of words lol

[lusty zodiac]

Tbf, the guide that was present in the pins was helpful to me when I started using BOTE

[unreal agate]

theres a guide?

[lusty zodiac]

#1488992920316018788 message

[unreal agate]

oh this one?

[lusty zodiac]

Yup, that's the one I used

[unreal agate]

ngl, my brain skipped that so hard

im simple minded, i need ma picture books 😂

[lusty zodiac]

Some people do refuse to read sometimes, so I mean... could still be helpful

[vital compass]

Did not even know there was a guide

[lusty zodiac]

generally a good rule of thumb to check pinned messages in discord for game specific stuff, can often find useful info in there

[sleek hatch]

is there like multiplayer server for kar+bote mod? playing singplayer in this is kinda lonely

[uncut current]

yeah most of the games in this servers vcs are running kar+bote

[old oar]

anyone know why i cant use the Bote mod without the hangers being bugged

[spark ruin]

old version?

maybe

[spark ruin]

can you increase the fob budget or sum

it would be nice

[lusty zodiac]

You can probably modify the dll

[old oar]

i have the latest version of the BOTE mod and it breaks the hangers so i cant spawn anything it just says they are in use

[subtle silo]

same

[wooden vector]

just to confirm, its bote_1.3.6?

cause the OP wasn't updated with the new link

[old oar]

no its 1.3.0

[wooden vector]

that is the 0.32 version yeah

https://github.com/MinecrackTyler/BoscaliOceanTrainingExercise/releases/tag/v1.3.6

this is latest

[old oar]

ok thanks

[austere socket]

you already saw an answer, but yeah, known issue, I have a fix for it that should be in the next update, along some other goodies

also updated so it will always show latest link now in the OP, thanks!

[rustic kettle]

ayooo surprises??

for usss?

how generous....

[lusty zodiac]

Frigate.........

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1486563120339095674/1496669140767870999/1263913448056815669.gif

[rustic kettle]

nah i want the flatbed

more interesting

/jk

[fickle fractal]

hlt would be cool just so its more faction splittable

but it wouldnt be able to use some of the weapons cause those are trailers

[lusty zodiac]

Huh

[fickle fractal]

the hlt doesnt have a built in cram or stratolance launcher

those are towed trailers

you could theoretically spawn both and use the cargo hitch to tow the trailer but that might be too long to fit in a revetment/helipad on spawn

[lusty zodiac]

are you talking about KAR? Because that's Nikko, not minecrack

do we even have HLTs in KAR

no we don't

[uncut current]

can we make skins for the boats?

[fickle fractal]

yeah im talking about kar

we dont have kar controllable hlts

[lusty zodiac]

I wish we had liveries for BOTE

[austere socket]

it would be nice to add livery support, but the ships are large enough you would need some quite large textures, as the current ships (except the shard and maybe LCAC iirc) use a tiling texture to get around that issue.

[fickle fractal]

i should make a raid mission for kar

idk how i could work bote into a raid mission but that might also be fun to try

[lusty zodiac]

that makes sense

[fickle fractal]

Maybe another megastructure raid with a boat player defending the outside and players with ground vehicles inside

[vital pollen]

Just some extra bugs I have found, for the LCAC, you cannot drop off AFV 8 IFV, and the Linebreaker APC, IFV and SAM along with the IRM S2 turrets not being AI controlled (Correction the IRM S2 turrets just straight up dont fire at all, you expend the ammo but nothing happens)

[austere socket]

IRM-S2 turrets on all craft or just the lcac?

vehicles not being spawned has been fixed for next release

[vital pollen]

Just the LCAC for now though im testing the others

[austere socket]

ill take a look at the lcac turret, might redo it anyways, its pretty scuffed lmao

[vital pollen]

Yeah the AShMs on the LCAC also just drop into the dirt after you fire them

[austere socket]

yeah i know about that one, my fault lmao

lcac will probably get a weapon redo like the rest of the botes have at some point (next update??), so might just leave it for now, thanks for the info either way though

[unreal agate]

to be fair, i dont think a landing craft sould have cruise missiles lol

[lusty zodiac]

it barely has any iirc

so it's a non issue

[unreal agate]

im just sayin, it could be replaced with another AA turret tbh, or more ATGMs

[lusty zodiac]

I like the enthusiasm, but I doubt that small thing'd fit another turret, lol

[vital pollen]

Also to be real i think the Hyperion just has way too many cruise missiles it can fire at once, it needs like half of the current amount and then you could make the Argus the cruise missile boat instead

[unreal agate]

i kinda agree, or atleast lower the magazine size

because AGM-99 spam is too real lol

[austere socket]

the carriers are intended to have a decent amount of strike capability just because its not the most entertaining thing to drive around and launch aircraft that will 99% never come back (and also it costs so much more than a darkreach it should have a decent CM load lmao)

balance can always be changed though

[lusty zodiac]

Me watching my medusas run into the CIWS for the 38375th time

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1486563120339095674/1496669140767870999/1263913448056815669.gif

[austere socket]

real

(im trying)

[lusty zodiac]

"Yay, I'm so glad you can take off from my deck!"

[austere socket]

(the ai are resisting)

[lusty zodiac]

I'm sure they are

I had already developed a strat on which slot to spawn medusas in, iirc it was the 2nd spawn where they actually decide to take off normally

[austere socket]

one of the deck spots right?

[lusty zodiac]

yea

the elevator is almost 100 % a "this CIWS looks like it needs a hug"

[austere socket]

makes sense, the elevator is a 90 degree turn and they are a little special on the bote hyperion for some reason

[lusty zodiac]

At higher speed even the deck ones can freak out, but that's to be expected

[austere socket]

yeah

[lusty zodiac]

also, chicanes randomly spawning at the front of the hyperion always make me have to slow down, because it will with 100 % chance, decide to ram into the bridge

but I think that's already known and probably not an easy fix if at all

[austere socket]

i might set the player hyperion to be able to spawn helos on the back deck spawns if it cant already and then up the priority so they spawn back there usually, if that is possible

[lusty zodiac]

hopefully, that'd be nice

[unreal agate]

And if you're full speed, when unfolding their rotor, one of the blades just seems to snap for some reason

Same with the Dynamo

[lusty zodiac]

Probably some physics shenanigans

idk, pretty funny though

[austere socket]

i think there is a reason the ships are slower usually lmao

[lusty zodiac]

yea... probably

but it would not be fun being that slow

[unreal agate]

Iirc, even IRL carriers have to slow down when launching aircraft

Instead of going flank speed

[austere socket]

might be able to smooth out the last jitter at high speeds, but it wont help the delay if you are a client and there are aircraft on there, since the AI/players simulate their position based off of the delayed position coming over the network

only real "stable" config is host carrier + ai aircraft

[lusty zodiac]

makes sense

Also, will the frigate just be a cheaper destroyer in BOTE?

Because with how ships are balanced rn, it's kinda like "bigger ship, more missile"

Seems like roles aren't really a concern, which I'm fine with tbh

[austere socket]

it does lose some of the strike capability of the dynamo in favor of more SAM's

[lusty zodiac]

MORE SAMS?

[unreal agate]

At least a better main gun

[austere socket]

still more cruise missiles than the base argus, but less than the dyno

uh

[unreal agate]

Give us a 16 in naval cannon 😩

[austere socket]

let me check the counts

[lusty zodiac]

156 NL-98s on the destroyer is crazy already

[austere socket]

hmm

[lusty zodiac]

Also, I fcking HATE that I'm forced to take the stupid IRMs/MMRs, was that also a thing last update and I'm just blocking it out of my memory?

On the destroyer*

[austere socket]

oh for the two ciws slots?

could add back a gun option there

[unreal agate]

Well they have their use against AGMs or cruise missiles

[lusty zodiac]

Pretty please, I hate having auto turret on and having the little shts spamming 15 IR missiles at 2 AGM-48s

[austere socket]

i wish i could stop them from doing that lmao

[lusty zodiac]

It's so atrocious lmao

At least I have my pinky trigger on my HOTAS so I can stop them instantly but man

I'd rather just have CIWS that shoot incoming ordinance

[sand hatch]

what is the new update?

[austere socket]

ok just added 40mm and 57mm options there as well

[unreal agate]

@austere socket how hard would it be to have bigger main guns? Would you have to make a new model for the weapon and such?

[lusty zodiac]

Thank you

[unreal agate]

Nice

[austere socket]

most of the gun stuff i do is kitbashing, so it really depends

[rustic kettle]

would be nice to have Eyeballs somewhere on it maybe that or idk maybe laser rockets?

[lusty zodiac]

I also tested this, can attest you can't spawn those vics

[austere socket]

hence the:

[unreal agate]

The 127 turret?

[austere socket]

yeah

could go bigger, but at some point they kind of become hard to balance

[unreal agate]

Bigger gun less fire rate?

[austere socket]

a big enough shell is just a pab80 at some point lmao

[rustic kettle]

good

perfect

[austere socket]

optimal

[rustic kettle]

make it shoot PAB-80s actually

[austere socket]

could always add bigger guns but might look silly on most craft

[unreal agate]

I just want a modern Iowa class at the end of the day 😂

[lusty zodiac]

I mean, there's a good balance of "This will just get intercepted by SAMs" and "this is funny to use"

[austere socket]

dyno could probably handle it

[rustic kettle]

or maybe AT-145?

[proper lynx]

replace fore/aft VLS with triple turret 155mm railgun

behold the all big gun battleship

[austere socket]

real

[lusty zodiac]

add the QoL prox fuze

[rustic kettle]

100mm CIWS

[lusty zodiac]

🤢

[rustic kettle]

NO

[lusty zodiac]

But... triple prox fuze!

[rustic kettle]

BAD AND EVIL

[lusty zodiac]

FUN and INTERACTIVE gameplay

[unreal agate]

Argus I think might be the only ship to handle a big gun at this point, until shock front adds new ships

[austere socket]

yeah ok looking at it the frigate weapons were balanced off of the first version of the argus it seems, so it only has 80 nl-98 currently
probably gonna crank that up, might just double every count lmao

[unreal agate]

Ever heard of a game called Naval ops warship gunner?

[rustic kettle]

nope

[lusty zodiac]

How come? The destroyer is arguably heftier, no? Or do you mean "the only other ship"

[lusty zodiac]

320... NL-98s?

[unreal agate]

Old PS2 game where you can literally design your own warship and put however many guns you can put on it

[austere socket]

sure however many of the smaller missiles it can carry in those cells might be a little silly but they also cost money

[rustic kettle]

huh odd

[unreal agate]

Only other

[lusty zodiac]

May god have mercy on my enemies, because my DL ARH missiles will not

[proper lynx]

my only wish is that QOL gets compat with this mod and i can stick R6 longswords on the dynamo/argus

i wish to Defend The Air

[unreal agate]

Fun as heck, if you can emulate it

[austere socket]

fun fact while the argus dumps out NL-98 at a rate of 1 per every 3 seconds IIRC the actual fire rate max is the same as the scythe(?), which is 5 per second
had to slow that down for the BOTE version to regain any semblance of balance lmao

[rustic kettle]

this, KAR, and the MC-260 all need QOL compats fr

[lusty zodiac]

Totally fair, the NL-98 (and the R6 from QoL) are nuts

[rustic kettle]

someone should become the compat lord

[lusty zodiac]

Also, when you add the R6 eventually, please make it have the least capacity, those things would be horribly strong in the hands of players

probably can be lobbed over hills like the NL-98 if I had to take a guess

[austere socket]

would be up to qol man how that would turn out probably lmao

unless i just do what i did with the axiom and steal a copy of it for bote, but not sure i want to unleash that as part of the base mod 😭

[lusty zodiac]

Fair

I mean, the NL-98s are plenty busted enough

[proper lynx]

NL-98s are fine until you have to kill 30 piledrivers

[lusty zodiac]

My kill rate from last update with R9's pales in comparison to my kill rate with NL-98s

[austere socket]

also the scythe and scimitar which do seem to be working better now

i think

[lusty zodiac]

John Piledriver

[proper lynx]

john piledriver is an exception to the statistics and should be ruled out as an outlier

[austere socket]

for killing lots of piledrivers the best options are either scythes (expensive, but safer) or the IR missiles (cheap, but risky) since they can volley out so many missiles quickly

R9 can compete, but slower fire rate

[lusty zodiac]

I'm gonna be honest, I'll prolly never use R9s again

[fickle summit]

honestly add r6 to dynamo hyperion and argus frfr and add sledgehammers back

[austere socket]

(source: nothing)

[lusty zodiac]

especially since they have the same capacity as the NL-98s

the higher delta v or whatever on R9s is not enough for me to consider using them

[austere socket]

r9 does have a higher fire rate but yeah

[lusty zodiac]

You can kinda lob them at any ASHM preemptively

[proper lynx]

i take R9s because no other missile has enough energy to actually reach piledrivers if i'm parked right next to an airbase

[lusty zodiac]

so idk, regardless, I think if I wanted to just push and defend my own ship, scythes, if I wanted to put pressure on the map, NL-98s

[fickle summit]

nl98s work perfectly fine for when i do it

[lusty zodiac]

The NL-98s worked fine for me, unless you have some crazy fckas* mission with 20+ piledrivers

Escalation usually spreads them out enough to not matter

[rustic kettle]

is kar and bote 2082 technically?

[austere socket]

the one TC match i did where all of the piledrivers focused on cliffline 😭

luckily:

[fickle summit]

i mean its in the dc so i think so

[rustic kettle]

tyler can u confrim?

[austere socket]

uh

idk

[rustic kettle]

lol fair

[austere socket]

i just make botes :(

[rustic kettle]

reeeaaallll

[fickle summit]

we love botes

[lusty zodiac]

Do we already know how much the Argus will cost btw, or do we have to wait for the update?

[rustic kettle]

i want a gunboat in this game so bad

[austere socket]

currently in between shard and dynamo, closer to dynamo end though, 550m currently

[lusty zodiac]

Figured

was gonna say 500-600 mil

[austere socket]

that is the first number we came up with though, balancing still is out on the argus

[fickle summit]

its more so anti air right?

[lusty zodiac]

yea

[austere socket]

it has greater cruise missile capacity compared to the base argus, but yeah

[fickle summit]

hope it has a pretty big capacitor for the lasers

[austere socket]

(after i double all of the vls counts)

[lusty zodiac]

I'm gonna use the Argus so much, simply because I prefer how it looks to the blocky destroyer

[austere socket]

the argus looks so good ❤️

just enough greebly bits

[lusty zodiac]

First time I've ever seen greebly

[rustic kettle]

reeaallll

just went and looked at it better and i love it

i only like the shard cause vague reminder of my beloved

the visby class...

for reference

[austere socket]

omg lmao

[vital pollen]

Yeah that really just is the shard but smaller

[rustic kettle]

ye and real

[tidal ridge]

How many ASHM-300's do you need to volley to take out an argus? I dunped 32 from the dynamo and still failed to take it out, though it dis look like they lost tracking right at the end

[austere socket]

if they lost tracking that could be for any number of reasons (undiscovered bug??), but a vanilla argus is pretty capable, they could have gotten all intercepted depending on its ammo and distance

[barren lava]

@charred barn Have you thought about having playing spawn in an empty carbo bay in aircraft so they can be dropped?

[charred barn]

Network latency makes it a bit difficult

[barren lava]

i may have attempted

[austere socket]

networking :(

[barren lava]

how do you control ships?

would it be possible for them to hit a "Mount" key that will attach them to the rigidbody to get rid of the networking issue?

then once they land they hit the key again and are released from the object

[austere socket]

would probably look wacky for other clients but something like that might work

[austere socket]

if you mean from the bote mod, throttle/pitch for forward/back (throttle is forward only), and yaw/roll for turning

[vital pollen]

Something i have noticed with the boats, its a random 50/50 chance per mission that whenever you spawn the throttle is stuck to max and you have to use your plane thrust controls to throttle down to zero again

Or even possibly it might be that after spawning in an LCAC and then spawning into different ship afterwords that it breaks it

[fickle fractal]

i noticed this as well earlier

you have to immediately zero your throttle so you dont slam into the dock

[hushed kiln]

Is KAR and BOTE working for the new N.O update? Whenever I play with both mods enabled it won't let me spawn any plane or boat or car in because apparently 'all hangars are in use'

[vital pollen]

Make sure to get newest update, that a problem with having the previous version of the mods

[hushed kiln]

ah, okay. thanks

[sleek hatch]

the pain of setting up defences for 30 minutes manually with trucks and the boat only for 5 nukes to get dropped on my face becase stratolances refused to fire for no reason (they had ammo and radar next to them and were set up...)

[lusty zodiac]

If you set them up with the LCAC that's why. Currently, LCAC placed radar and launchers apparently break every other player placed SAM for the rest of the game

[sleek hatch]

so... dont place radars?

[lusty zodiac]

No, don't place anything. Fire control, radar, launcher. Only place those using QoL until the next patch, supposedly minecracktyler found the fix for it

[sleek hatch]

may god have mercy on my crew

[sleek hatch]

how do i make a fob using the LCAC?

i select it and kinda cant do anything. space or the dedicated deploy button doesnt work...

nvm

[unreal agate]

Well that doesn't even work for me. I drop a HLT radar truck and some R9 launchers with the tarantula and they never fire

For dropping bolt strikes with the lcac seems to work though

[lusty zodiac]

That's odd, they've had a 100 % success rate for me so far

maybe using the LCAC to deploy units in general just bricks it, idk

[austere socket]

I think part of the problem might specifically be the boltstrike mount thing for the LCAC

not sure why as it should be setup correctly to remove itself without the patch I added, but it all does work now so whatever i guess lmao

[obsidian nest]

I read somebody say you need to lower the landing gear, which actually lowers the front plate on the LCAC, and then it should be able to create. I don't know tho, never tried it myself so grain of salt it

[austere socket]

the gear toggle is supposed to block the deployment of anything, but that never seems to work

[austere socket]

problem with the logic that would set your throttle if you spawn in air somehow, like from an aircraft placed in editor, I'll patch it out for the ships, thanks

[balmy hornet]

Record Scratch
Yeah it's me. You're probably wondering how I got in this situation

[digital sable]

so how do I spawn as a annex carrier?

I can't find any spawn points that are a ship dock and I am confused

[austere socket]

annex carrier does not exist in the current release of the mod as a playable ship

[digital sable]

ah got it.

but still, how do I spawn at a ship dock?

[clever wyvern]

you need to have a ship dock somewhere

[austere socket]

Did you place it in editor? It needs to be added to an airbase manually

[digital sable]

oh got it got it. Thats why I was confused then

[unreal agate]

@austere socket think we can pin this and just refer people to it? 😂

[austere socket]

cannot pin :(

hold on

@charred barn

[unreal agate]

At least that's the in-game side of things, as for in editor. That's just base game knowledge stuff

[austere socket]

yeah

[unreal agate]

Sweet thanks! @charred barn

[charred barn]

np 🍻

[unreal agate]

Edited it to have a title as well for ease

[clever wyvern]

Its nice to Be able to build whole FOB with defence from the LCAC, wish we could from a ground unit, need an MCV XD

[unreal agate]

Well if we were able to control convoys then it could be possible

But that sounds like a nightmare to code

[clever wyvern]

oh i can imagine

only way we can defend out ground fob, is deploying Sam Drones and ammo box and hope for the best XD

[unreal agate]

Now if we had logistics trains ooooh boy

[unreal agate]

At this point I just get a LCAC with a fob and build as fast as possible close to water. Then build up from there

[clever wyvern]

well yea

[unreal agate]

Near I think it's agrapol I shut down the entire bay with 4 boltstrikes and crams and of course a munitions depot

Not a single cruise missile got past 😄

[clever wyvern]

yesterday buddy of mine setup a fob in the mountains to rain arty shells on the airbase, and the Sam drones were struggling to keep darkreachs and chicane at bay xD

[spark ruin]

hey minecrack

if youre still here

is there a way to increase fob budget

[sleek hatch]

i uh... went to the store with lowest speed set on the ship
came back to a horde of helicopters shooting missiles at me
and found out in the meantime i lost all my engines and 3 out of 4 anti air turrets

[austere socket]

not easily

(not as part of the mod)

[spark ruin]

can i configure it somehow

like the dll

[austere socket]

no

[spark ruin]

also

[austere socket]

wild

[spark ruin]

yes wild

i found you outside of this server

[austere socket]

breaking news: i exist

[spark ruin]

yes

[spark ruin]

waht does this mean

[austere socket]

you would need to use Runtime Unity Editor or Unity Explorer, find the value, and change it

[austere socket]

would not persist between restarts

[spark ruin]

welp

where can i find the thing tho

[spark ruin]

where can i find the value son

[austere socket]

forgot, it is actually hardcoded in the dll, so if you have DNSpy you can try changing it, under class FOBManager, function FOBBuilder

[spark ruin]

i have no idea what that means

[austere socket]

well I can't particularly help you

[spark ruin]

im gonna try

but if i change the dll does it stay forever

[austere socket]

yes

[spark ruin]

alr ig

[austere socket]

https://github.com/dnSpyEx/dnSpy

[spark ruin]

im going to summon you later

tyler

WHAT is this

😭

i found FOBManager

there is no FOBBuilder

ok i found builder

[sleek hatch]

are they stupid

[spark ruin]

yes

they want the ammo

their greed sickens me

[sleek hatch]

there is just more and more...

[spark ruin]

what even is happening

[sleek hatch]

they dont have a set target so they just try to get into the same spot all of them which... yea

[spark ruin]

nto

bro

[sleek hatch]

knew that would happen at some point

[spark ruin]

??

[sleek hatch]

is this uh... normal? i dont think thats normal...

[spark ruin]

he decided he is now a tank

[sleek hatch]

it happened again ugh

???

sorry for phone recording i forgot to download a recording tool

[cinder trail]

close enough welcome back halo 3

[sleek hatch]

how does this module work?
standing next to the destroyed building doesnt seem to do much

[flint swan]

For the record I just use steam clips. All you need to do is bind one function key to either clip a certain amount of the past time or start a recording

[flint swan]

It's more for repairing vehicles

[sleek hatch]

repair as in get rid of damage or repair as in get dead ones back to life

[flint swan]

I think it's trying to insinuate get rid of damage

I'll ask Nikko when I hop in VC I don't know

[charred barn]

its a jackknife in a box

[flint swan]

Ahhhh

[sleek hatch]

so i just stand next to destroyed building and at some point it will get fixed?

[charred barn]

in theory ye

[sleek hatch]

okay i see the tapes around it spawned
tho the range isnt 50 meters like it says but more like 15 meters

[spark ruin]

nikkorap

are u still here

[unreal agate]

Wonder if the M12 repair progress bar works with this?

[spark ruin]

it does

[unreal agate]

Noice

[spark ruin]

like nikko said

[spark ruin]

this\

[tepid laurel]

yo lwk

how in the tarnation do u even buy a carrier?

[spark ruin]

requisition it ig

[lusty zodiac]

200 % successful sortie bonus, use a darkreach, spam pab250LRs against a buckload of targets, boom carrier.

Alternatively, you can set up an egregious AA field with QoL by putting 10+ R9 launchers down with a couple of radars and fire controls and you'll passively make money from interceptions

[spark ruin]

how do you get the money if youre not intercepting it

[lusty zodiac]

Units you put down give you the kill credits

works like that in vanilla too

[spark ruin]

ik

but what are you gonna put down

[lusty zodiac]

R9s Stratolance launchers? I've made billions with that lmao

Again, you need QoL for that

otherwise, I guess AFV6 AA spam kinda works

[spark ruin]

how do you put them downb

with what craft

[lusty zodiac]

Tarantula

barely take off, drive along wherever you wanna put them down next to the runway, deploy, eject, rinse and repeat until you have an abomination at an airfield

[sleek hatch]

is there a dedicated public server for kar+bote?

[lusty zodiac]

no dedicated servers afaik, no

[sleek hatch]

aw...

[lusty zodiac]

people do tend to host daily from what I've seen

seen 2 vc's past couple of days that were hosting bote kar I think

along some other mods

[sleek hatch]

grab few anti air units and deploy them in a place that has lots of missiles coming in
or get a vehicle like a tank and just shoot ground units, you get more cash from what i noticed than when using a plane

[tepid laurel]

a prob cuz of the 300% kill reward

[unreal agate]

Shit I wish I could get QOL radar+ R9s working they never want to fire for some reason. Idk if there is a mod conflict somewhere

[sleek hatch]

i said the same few hours ago and was told its a bug

[lusty zodiac]

works fine for me in singleplayer

gonna test out mp just to make sure

[tepid laurel]

is there a carrier tutorial ive loaded up a custom workshop mission but idk if the planes launch by themselfs or i have to manually do that

[lusty zodiac]

Prolly a mod conflict, works fine for me even on MP

[sleek hatch]

first time i was doing this one slipped by and killed me
this time tho... all intercepted
that was one of the more stressful 5 minutes in this game ive had

(around 15 total)

[fresh igloo]

the argus has like 3/4 CIWS and plenty of missile interceptors

[lusty zodiac]

Tbh using ASHMs on ships is a waste, using them on ground targets and bases is much more useful

[fresh igloo]

What would you say is the ideal anti ship munition then lol

[sleek hatch]

simitar
or however its called
one hit to kill corvette
two or three for destroyer
and for carrier... idk how many but quite a lot but still

another great tool to kill them is AGM 68 from around 5 kilometers or less away

[fickle fractal]

agm68s are good for stuff smaller than carriers

[wooden vector]

Tuskos are pretty nice if you're either going very fast or just have many of them like the darkreach

But kinda weird on a boat

For player piloted dynamo honestly best anti ship weapon is the 127mm cannon

pretty reliably kills everything other than carriers, and it cripples those

yes they can shoot down the shells, but you have more shells than a typical battlegroup has missiles and CIWS ammo

[lusty zodiac]

For frigates? Just sea skim and lob bombs at it from really close. Or alternatively spam a buckload of something like AGM-68s, also works

If you're in a ship, again, just ignore them and keep the sky clear for your own players/ai and let them deal with the ships

Unless the entire mission literally revolves around sinking ships, then the AGM-99 is prolly better cuz you get more to deplete the enemy fleets missiles. None will reach, but they'll waste way more SAMs

[wooden vector]

No! Charge them! Belive in the 127mm that belives in you.

(about 20-25km range works well)

[lusty zodiac]

so based.........

[stray gazelle]

sometime it just refuses to work

Ive deployed them twice, it worked the first time but not the second a few days later

[lusty zodiac]

Out of curiosity, did you use the LCAC at all then? And where were you deploying them?

I feel like there's some weird spots on the maps where they outright refuse to work, not sure why

[unreal agate]

That's the thing, I only play single, and it never works

[lusty zodiac]

What mods do you have?

I wanna see if we have the same or if we have differing mods

[unreal agate]

Kar/bote, QOL, M12 repair progress bar, bepin/blueprinter, the cockpit extensions one, and I'm sure another. I'm not home ATM but in 30ish min I can check

And I usually check here to see if they're up to date before installing through NOMM

[lusty zodiac]

I don't have the progress bar mod but I doubt that does anything to radars, and cockpit extensions? Is that NOTT?

[flint swan]

Made me join isis 7/10

[unreal agate]

I don't think so? Lemme check the threads for the exact one

This one

[lusty zodiac]

Yea I dunno if that'd be causing it, I'd give it a shot, maybe?

Because otherwise we don't really differ in mods much

And it works for both me in singleplayer, multiplayer, and even for my friend if he puts down R9s

[unreal agate]

maybe it does? Since it adds RWR functionality But yeah idk, tbh

[lusty zodiac]

yea that's what I'm thinking

[stray gazelle]

LCAC? and yes I was deploying them

[stray gazelle]

nah I had that the first time and it worked, I think it might be KAR or something

[lusty zodiac]

LCAC. the landing craft from the base game (that you can use in BOTE) to deploy FOBs or vehicles

it's bugged if you do it with that

Also, I have KAR, it can't be that

Though it could be a very rare occurance bug with the QoL and KAR, unsure

[unreal agate]

Yeah speaking of that, R9 combo doesn't even launch when placed by LCAC

[lusty zodiac]

A lot of vehicles seem to be bugged with the LCAC right now, bunch of em can't be deployed, minecrack's already aware

[unreal agate]

Guess I'll have to work backward and test with only KAR/BOTE installed, then see what the culprit is

[unreal agate]

Yeah, HLT munitions gets stuck 😂

Whereas MSV munitions shows a smaller version of itself and spawns forward of it

If I remember correctly

[lusty zodiac]

some vehicles can't even be deployed at all

I think the Linebreaker line for example is completely broken

[sleek hatch]

i only have KAR and BOTE and this happens
its issue inside the mod itself
also if you place a radar using LCAC they just... dont work...
units just dont use it which make for example stratolances, not fire at all

[lusty zodiac]

Isn't that what I told you today?

We were talking about a seperate issue before

The issue bluejay is talking about, is R9's placed using the QoL mod

[sleek hatch]

yup

[sleek hatch]

oh my bad

[lusty zodiac]

all good, no worries

[sleek hatch]

i missunderstood the convo

[lusty zodiac]

yea happens :p

[floral zenith]

wait has bote updated yet?

[unreal agate]

yeah and the problem is now happening with LCAC placed units, so im gonna do some testing now since im home. Also this is my modlist

[lusty zodiac]

To 0.33? Yes. The frigate hasn't been added yet though

[floral zenith]

alr

[lusty zodiac]

Well the LCAC is expected to not work

QoL placed R9s, Radars, Fire control should work

[unreal agate]

well im just talking about R9 stuff, boltstrikes work great for me

[lusty zodiac]

Yea because they have their own internal radar

that's why they work

[unreal agate]

keyword should, but yea, gonna test now

starting with KAR/BOTE

[dapper flare]

is there a possibility to make custom Naval assets?

[lusty zodiac]

Unsure, maybe once blueprinter and documentation with it comes around, maybe?

[dapper flare]

it would be awesome because i got some ideas with Naval vessel Models

[unreal agate]

i think i can make a quick custokm mission to test out the placed stuff real quick

[dapper flare]

and will model them

[lusty zodiac]

#1488992920316018788 message

[dusty nacelle]

pray tell

[dapper flare]

futuristic battleship with 12x 155mm Railguns surely will find a place in this game 👁️

[lusty zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1486563120339095674/1496669140767870999/1263913448056815669.gif

[unreal agate]

i mean i was asking for a proper battleship, like a modern Iowa class

[dapper flare]

just purely offensive ofc

[dusty nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-super-mario-bowser-painting-movie-gif-14170327732223248379

im on board

[rustic kettle]

its a SWATH ship and each of the 12 is its own turret

[sleek hatch]

um... i was fighting when suddenly the hangar fixed itself and now im stuck

[cinder trail]

time to blow up the hangar or eject

[unreal agate]

after doing some testing, QOL is def conflicting with BOTE

Tarantula placed HLT radar and R9 launchers just do not fire

and of course the same with LCAC

but removing KAR/BOTE fixed the issue, Tarantula placed R9s do fire

[lusty zodiac]

Odd, works fine for me whilst using Bote and QoL

[unreal agate]

ill do further testing, might be NOX then

i was trying the mod seperately, now ill do them together

and see if it still works

[lusty zodiac]

I use: Kar, Bote, F16, Chimera, QoL

And some other random mods that shouldn't have any effect

[dapper flare]

my only complaint is that Stratolances love to do nosedives straight into the water when i play as a Ship lel

[desert delta]

and for me

[unreal agate]

okay, the type of radar should not matter right? whether its MSV or HLT?

[lusty zodiac]

LCAC deployed is completely broken until next patch. Only Tarantula deployed R9s work, again

because you can't deploy MSV from tarantulas

relevant #1488992920316018788 message

[unreal agate]

yep i seen that comment

as of now

placed the radar and launcher via Tara and no go

[lusty zodiac]

if you at any point placed anything with the LCAC it breaks all player placed radars for the rest of the mission

that's the issue

[unreal agate]

yep, thats why i restart everytime

is there a log i can check?

[lusty zodiac]

thankfully the man himself is here

I do not know nearly enough about this to provide anything of substance lol

[austere socket]

that issue has been plaguing the mod since 0.33, but we actually found the issue today so will be fixed in the next update!

[sonic rune]

question, if i want to load into a naval vessel, do I need a specific mission that has the spawn points out at sea?

[austere socket]

either that, carriers (which can act as spawn points), or medium hangars can spawn LCAC in the latest update iirc, or that might be in the dev build, but if they can results may vary as they spawn about 200m behind them due to other reasons

[sonic rune]

thanks

[austere socket]

can you send AppData/LocalLow/Shockfront/NuclearOption/Player.log

[unreal agate]

sure