[0.33] KAR-BOTE Combined Arms

[austere socket]

annex will happen eventually

[untold haven]

you can do this if you equip the fob builder

[whole belfry]

How do i find a place to spwan the naval ships

[spare orbit]

in editor, spawn a dock

[night surge]

From a already spawned in NPC ship (Dyno or bigger) or from a ship dock on a LCAC deployed fob

[whole belfry]

oh and also is there a way to take control of a vehicl that has already spwaned

[night surge]

No way to effectively zeus remote in on a NPC vec

[half timber]

okay so

[night surge]

All Kars and Botes are just very weird planes to the underlying game systems

[half timber]

just found out every ship is split into million pieces

[spare orbit]

what

[half timber]

okay everything in this game is split into a billion pieces

in the files

[fleet hull]

are any vanilla bases that support BOTE?

[tawdry trellis]

The 155mm railgun fires about five feet down and to the right from where the actual barrel is, causing shots to always land super low and inaccurately. is there a planned fix for it? The only mods i have is BOTE, KAR, and Third person Hud.

[charred barn]

oh it seems that part got offset at some point, thanks for reporting it!

added to the list

[tawdry trellis]

[stiff kindle]

Extra screenshot 🧑‍🦲

[half timber]

Nope

i made some though

[tawdry trellis]

If i might ask, is there plans for the BDF 8x8 and the other PALA MRAP?

Also if we'll get Piledriver TBMs

and maybe the nuclear TBMs? 👀

[fleet hull]

can anything spawn the annex?

i see it in the selection but no ship spawns them

[charred barn]

We might add more vehicles and weapons in the future. My only concern against tbm's is the risk of boring spawn-launch-respawn "gameplay" but we shall see

[charred barn]

Annex might need a dedicated dock like the Hyperion

[spare orbit]

yeah it will

whole assault carrier

😭

[fleet hull]

cant seem to spawn it on the hyperion either

[charred barn]

@austere socket might know more

[tawdry trellis]

glad you guys have enjoyability and balance in mind

[austere socket]

there is no annex??

annex isn't added yet there is no way to spawn it

because it dont exist

[hoary bear]

annex is a chud anyway. we all know it :b

[spare orbit]

not yet added

prolly cus they also wanna do a thing for its landing deck too

[austere socket]

it hasn't been added because there are bugs I need to fix first

[spare orbit]

oh we ur the one that made it

[hoary bear]

when reporting bugs, where would it be preferred?

[spare orbit]

my fault

[austere socket]

here is fine

[tawdry trellis]

Speaking of balancing, I was wondering if the 70kw laser (for all vehicles) and 180 AGM-48s for the MSV were gonna get nerfed. Its realistic that it can carry that many, but it just fires too quickly for defenses to actually intercept them all. And the 70kw laser seems like a direct upgrade compared to the smaller one, unless I'm mistaken?

[hoary bear]

70 uses capacitor, while 20 doesnt

[austere socket]

i think the 180 truck is getting removed at some point lmao

[tawdry trellis]

They both have the description "Does not use capacitor"

[austere socket]

or at least made much more costly

[tawdry trellis]

that doesn't really seem like a drawback though? what else do you use the capacitor for otherwise?

but yeah the LADS and 20KW dont use capacitor

[hoary bear]

the more power is used up, the weaker it becomes

[tawdry trellis]

Yeah and the 70kw does use capacitor, it needs its description changed

[charred barn]

Another thing to the list

[tawdry trellis]

making a list and checking it twice? hopefully?

[charred barn]

Of course not

The 70kw is better against bigger and more resistant munitions, until you run out of capacitor

20kw is better vs lynch spam

[tawdry trellis]

makes sense now, the "does not use capacitor" was really throwing me off

[charred barn]

Yeah the scope really got out of hand for an april fools joke, so a lot of things fell through the cracks

[tawdry trellis]

OH WAIT NO IM FUCKIGN DYSLEXIC

IM SO SORRY

REMOVE FROM THE LIST

[charred barn]

?

[tawdry trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-death-dies-of-cringe-davy-jones-dying-of-cringe-gif-22207406

[charred barn]

Lol

Maybe the wording can be adjusted

[tawdry trellis]

put the DOES and DOES NOT in caps so my dumbass can read it properly

[sharp prism]

yeah that is on me lol

[charred barn]

I'll make the descriptions distinct enough so they won't get confused

[sharp prism]

📝

[charred barn]

The 70kw description will be rewritten in Dutch

[sharp prism]

aw hell nah please dont nikkorap

[tawdry trellis]

i love nuclear option mod-forum channel. its so nice to just have a easy direct line to the devs of mods so i can accidentally gaslight them into thinking theres something wrong wit their mod

[sharp prism]

Mitch PLEASE add a particle summoner PLEASE

[charred barn]

Krachtig laserwapen voor zelfverdediging tegen kleine projectielen op grotere afstand en voor salvo-aanvallen. Maakt gebruik van een condensator.

see, thats so much better

[austere socket]

200%

[hoary bear]

a few things i noticed on the Spearhead MBT, is that the target cam and the barrel are not alligned, allowing you to see targets over hills, but not shoot them. not sure if this would be practical, but some kind of line of sight for the barrel.

the 20mm doesn't adjust for longer range shots.

[tawdry trellis]

seems fine to me

[tawdry trellis]

like real life

[charred barn]

btw just a heads up that balance suggestions are banned, if anyone complains about something being imba then ill do the exact opposite that they want

[tawdry trellis]

where the sight is usually positioned on top of the turret and you aim from there

[sharp prism]

The 20mm is controlled by YOU! only your built in ballistic converter can guide your bullets to victory!!!

[tawdry trellis]

give the MSV the normal tbms instead of the nuclear ones 👀

[sharp prism]

but yeah, the 130mm turret is the primary one in 'control', to say the least, so if your gunner is focusing, you'll have to take control of the turret via the 130mm then you can use the coax right

[charred barn]

which means the msv x180 will get buffed next update

[tawdry trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/the-amazing-digital-circus-digital-circus-digital-circus-pomni-pomni-the-amazing-digital-circus-pomni-gif-14218471206596580283

[austere socket]

180 tusko mount

[sharp prism]

sorry nikkorap im gonna have to let you live

[stiff kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/penguinz0-moistcritikal-gif-27692002

[tawdry trellis]

I still want my BDF 8x8

https://tenor.com/view/kingpin-kingpin-clicking-pen-clicking-pen-spider-verse-into-the-spider-verse-gif-5180708998338482135

also, liveries?

[hoary bear]

i would totally agree with this, if i could have separate vehicle and aircraft controls. using the little joystick to aim is absolutely painful.

i have le skill issue

[tawdry trellis]

i mean liveries for the current vehicles btw, if that wasn't clear, its kind of strange for the colors to be mismatched ( also i have no idea if liveries are even possible the way this works)

[sharp prism]

new leak for infantry

[charred barn]

[austere socket]

my boy

[tawdry trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-reynolds-danny-devito-oh-my-god-i-get-it-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-1719969854406009304

[charred barn]

ehh, if anyone wants to remake the models lol

the current roster is only kitbashes from existing game assets and some generous donations from offiry

[tawdry trellis]

the mod is already great! adds a lot of untapped depth to the game. cant wait for future additions!

and now that ive complemented your mod you should totally add the aerosentry chassis, and this... thing...

[sharp prism]

@blazing dagger they yearn for the vehicle.

[charred barn]

Update wont be before 0.33, and even then it might be a while

[sharp prism]

hard at work or hardly workin?

[tawdry trellis]

UNADDED VEHICLE SPOTTED👀 👀 👀

[hoary bear]

man

[stiff kindle]

I want this vehicle

[tawdry trellis]

jokes aside about brownnosing, the mod is great, love it

[tawdry trellis]

we yearn for M A N

[hoary bear]

me too

[stiff kindle]

M.A.N. 1 would be a great addition to this mod

Stealthy?

[hoary bear]

no

[stiff kindle]

Manned Arial Nuisance

Flies around an sticks C4 on aircraft

[hoary bear]

Michael After Noon

[tawdry trellis]

if you ever add just... a dude... can you give him laser eyes?

https://tenor.com/view/funny-laser-eyes-gif-5941993

[stiff kindle]

Mommy's Actual NURD

Manned nuke when?

[hoary bear]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)

and there's already one in the back of a car

[stiff kindle]

Fair

OH

genius.

[night surge]

Just stick The Device onto a Kingpin rocket motor

[sharp prism]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Munition

Repairs are going nicely for this shard... Shame it's happening in war time.

[sharp prism]

Update for K&B Escalation has been pushed out and should now be available on the steam workshop summary:

Added factories that will produce ships for both sides, these spawn in when naval reinforcements arrive

Decoration to Vigil Cay's docks and background detail, but these can be hazardous

Defenses around Vigil cay's docks has been buffed, a shard in holding with 1.0 skill is present

North Boscali has some minor decorations added and a shard also in defense, holding with 1.0 skill

other than that nothing much to note

[charred barn]

Link?👀

[paper wagon]

Tusko b car? I sure place more than 30 - bad for balance. Same situation with 180 AGM48. You crazy... It feels too unbalanced...

[charred barn]

Don't worry, tusko truck won't be added and the 180 agm48 will be nerfed

[paper wagon]

I also find lagspike bug... And not only me.
I cannot say now which mod cause of this because i use KAR and BOTE together...

[paper wagon]

Anyway tusko truck looks like interesting alternative for 180 agm48 truck, but more balanced

[sharp prism]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3698048342

[tawdry trellis]

Is it intentional that the auto gunner for the tanks disables whn you have the ammo box selected? For the AFV the auto gunner stays on when you have the ammo box selected.

[paper wagon]

I also finding AGM 48 X180 truck quite not good for game performance... Even one truck can significantly make pain for performance 🙁

[glossy juniper]

how does one

drive

is throttle throttle

or is pitch throttle

[night surge]

Well on most of the loadouts the ammo box is mounted on the turret

[desert delta]

its turret is certainly in the mod already, and the chassis itself is, ugh, replaceable

[opal lotus]

?

[tiny sluice]

hey you found my cricket!

[terse oak]

Is StratoLance playable???

[night surge]

MSV with the R9 pack, even comes with a built in radar

[vestal haven]

cricket:

[night surge]

Should of been "Fixed bug where Crickets were being sent to brazil/the backrooms"

[upbeat notch]

Oh yea

My poor cricket

I thought it was this mod

It’s ONLY the cricket too

W cricket

[lapis apex]

stupid question how do u control/spawn ships?

[midnight walrus]

bug report : whenever I spawn in a boat, all o AI planes currently in flight (enemy team and ally team) get stuck at 0m and 0km/h on the ground (cant be destroyed), and when i eject from my boat they all blow up at the same time and normal planes spawn back again and play normally until I spawn a new boat

[lyric coral]

Idk if there’s anything wrong with AA like the CIWS accuracy wise. Tho a Chicane ate like 2000 rounds worth of direct hits anyways and other aircraft eating seemingly more than they should (not really a mod issue but seems worth mentioning)

Also I have the ability to spam nuclear TBM launchers with the hover craft for some reason

[stark dust]

It can do that

Le armor

(Crazy armor to sustain 20mm hits tho)

I dont think i have a diagram but the front and belly and lower sides are all armored

[lyric coral]

Had to resort to a 57mm to take it down lol

[stark dust]

The 23mm should also

[lyric coral]

Should keep that noted

[stark dust]

The 23mm emplacement is the chicane obliterator 3000

Single deadliest air defense for it

[ancient laurel]

hello I need help with bote mod I installed with mod manager but there's no boat for me to spawn

[robust saffron]

do you have the latest version of blueprinter?

[ancient laurel]

1.8.17 yes

KAR mod work fine but BOTE mod does not

[charred barn]

Do they not show up in the loadout screen?

[ancient laurel]

nope only ground vehicle

[charred barn]

Please drop the Player.log
located in: C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\LocalLow\Shockfront\NuclearOption

[uncut sand]

i have the same issue

[charred barn]

it says you dont have bote installed, kar and bote are separate mods

[upbeat notch]

Is it still in the zip

You have to unzip it

[jaunty thorn]

how do you actually use the carrier? arent u supposed to be able to drive it cuz i cant figure out how to get it to spawn xd

[ancient laurel]

is boat supposed to be in this???

Plugins\blueprinter\addons\bote

[charred barn]

is there a bote.dll?

[ancient laurel]

yes Boat_1.3.1.dll

[charred barn]

hmm then it should load it

oh wait i see

[uncut sand]

everything loads but bote

[hoary bear]

I should reported this earlier, 1.3.1 is not loading in the same way it seems

[ancient laurel]

ill try to reinstall it manually and see if it works

[cinder trail]

that's just how NOMM loads it

[charred barn]

theres some issue with the latest bote it seems

@austere socket
[Debug : BepInEx] Skipping loading D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Nuclear Option\BepInEx\plugins\com.nikkorap.blueprinter\addons\bote\Boat_1.3.1.dll because it's not a valid .NET assembly. Full error: Format of the executable (.exe) or library (.dll) is invalid.

[stark dust]

newest bote dont work?

[charred barn]

Not sure what's going on tbh

[ancient laurel]

Ok so i downgrade to 1.30 and its work

[stark dust]

interesting its working perfect for me

[cosmic stratus]

Why does my ship in bote just sink

It don't float

[jagged fiber]

do i download blueprinter like an ordinary bepinex mod and stick it in plugins?

[austere socket]

how does this even happen??

[lost thistle]

can i launch with bote and kar at the sametime? i think i have seen someone saying it doesnt work from someone but i dont find it anymore, And when i launch with both the game is stuck in the loading while qol or and fq wont show the loading anymore what mostly is a error. Or was it qol doesnt work with bote or something?

[blazing dagger]

https://github.com/MinecrackTyler/BoscaliOceanTrainingExercise/releases/download/v1.3.1/Boat_1.3.1.dll

@austere socket thats the download url for 1.3.1 see the problem?

[austere socket]

how

i didn't set it

nomnom throwing 😭

[blazing dagger]

did you name it incorrectly before??

and then rename?

[austere socket]

i thought the name was the same both times

[blazing dagger]

ask @craggy aspen but i have no clue#

[austere socket]

maybe i did

well anyways 1.3.2 which is 1.3.1 in a trenchcoat will fix that

[blazing dagger]

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"id": "bote",
"displayName": "Boscali Ocean Training Exercise",
"description": "The BOTE adds player controllable ships with weapon choices and custom systems including resupplies and vehicle deployment. Current Ships include: OTB-31 Landing Craft, Shard class corvette, Dynamo class destroyer, Hyperion class fleet carrier.",
"tags": [
"mod",
"aircraft",
"blueprinter"
],
"urls": [
{
"name": "info",
"url": "https://github.com/MinecrackTyler/BoscaliOceanTrainingExercise/blob/main/README.md"
},
{
"name": "2082 discord",
"url": "https://discord.gg/qqMwyr2qxR"
}
],
"authors": [
"minecracktyler",
"nikkorap",
"draken",
"combat",
"medusa",
"offiry",
"many others!"
],
"githubOwner": "MinecrackTyler",
"githubRepoName": "BoscaliOceanTrainingExercise",
"autoUpdateArtifacts": "True",
"artifacts": [
{
"fileName": "Boat_1.3.1.dll",
"version": "1.3.1",
"category": "release",
"type": "addon",
"gameVersion": "0.32",
"downloadUrl": "https://github.com/MinecrackTyler/BoscaliOceanTrainingExercise/releases/download/v1.3.1/Boat_1.3.1.dll",
"hash": null,
"extends": {
"id": "com.nikkorap.blueprinter",
"version": "1.8.17"
}
},
{
"fileName": "Bote_1.3.0_RC4.dll",
"version": "1.3.0",
"category": "release",
"type": "addon",
"gameVersion": "0.32",
"downloadUrl": "https://github.com/MinecrackTyler/BoscaliOceanTrainingExercise/releases/download/v1.3.0/Bote_1.3.0_RC4.dll",
"hash": "sha256:cfa51504a9f267a54bac18bd4603e7edc137e3cd8d84a945041f42dfd8c3b994",
"extends": {
"id": "com.nikkorap.blueprinter",
"version": "1.8.17"
}
}
],
"downloadCount": 1942
}

[austere socket]

that might be mb gang

[blazing dagger]

maybe i should have pasted as file

[austere socket]

misinput

so what im hearing is it downloaded a 404 page lmao

[blazing dagger]

it should be fixed manually or removed at least so no one downgrades to this broken version by accident

whatever

new version should be correct when it autoupdates

[austere socket]

i can double upload the old version with both names

link works now

minecrack breaks things again

[blazing dagger]

as always NOMNOM is perfect and user error is the problem (jk)

[craggy aspen]

yalls put 2 jsons in for bote and i deleted one of them

pls reapect unique ids

[craggy aspen]

the autoupdate should be on though

[blazing dagger]

strange

should i manually make a pr real quick and can you push it

[craggy aspen]

``` to format code blocks

[blazing dagger]

ik

i didnt care enough to do so

lol

[craggy aspen]

readability is important

[blazing dagger]

only for those who can read

[craggy aspen]

i can try but if any merge conflicts i will just revert

im a few drinks in lol

[blazing dagger]

i created a pr its verifying rn

nvm its cooked

one sec

that is strange

it should have worked

nvm ik whats the problem

nvm again

still borken

[craggy aspen]

i will have braincells in the morning

im in CET timezone just now

[blazing dagger]

oh i think i know why

versions

it has 5 numbers

[flint swan]

Valid

[craggy aspen]

can we just stick to 4 segment semantic versioning instead of inventing new theories

[blazing dagger]

yes ik

offiry and his version conventions

checks passed

push it

[craggy aspen]

done

[blazing dagger]

can you force an update

[craggy aspen]

ya

[cosmic stratus]

tnere is a bug i think as soon as i spawn as a vehicle alot of the plane just crash for no reason and they only appear in the killfeed after leaving the vehicle the player is in right now

[jade jungle]

tbh i prefer the Linebreaker AGM-48s
longer range due to the better launch angle

[icy grotto]

Who did the KarBote art btw

[hearty badge]

If you're talking about the one from the cinematic trailer, it was my wife.

[icy grotto]

reminds me of Captain of Industry main art of all things

[hearty badge]

I can see the resemblance

Also, while on the topic of my wife's art;

The meme is now officially "high-effort"

[icy grotto]

Reminds me of an ancient Wargame meme

it was ALB era

[spare orbit]

Place docks in editors and attach them to airports.

Or you can spawn ships by spawning them on other ships that are either the Annex, Dynamo, or the Hyperion carrier.

[lapis apex]

thank you very much

[lapis ingot]

so

ressuply isn't working, right?

also, unsure if it's known

but a lot of side launchers are bad

they all launch stuff

downwrds

[spare orbit]

the hell

[spare orbit]

Because they use turrets from other vehicles.

[austere socket]

strongest lcv25 loadout:

[austere socket]

you need a friendly airbase that can launch a tarantula, this will be better communicated soon

[spare orbit]

does resupply also resupply aircraft inventory or no?

[austere socket]

no(t currently?)

[spare orbit]

cus every aircraft launched is like an 80% chance of dying

[austere socket]

aircraft that return and land on you will return to inventory though, bar a bug that may trigger

yeah

i may make it possible, but thats iffy because the hyperion and future annex will be able to spawn in shards and dynamos with the same point system to escort themselves, and that gets iffy if you can spawn infinite dynamos, considering the deployment costs nothing currently

[spare orbit]

pala watching helplessly as an annex mysteriously summons a heavily modded dynamo class destroyer out of thin air ☠️

[austere socket]

need to make an infinitely replicating dynaboss so we can get the ai experience

[spare orbit]

mainly cus a mission like this

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3697896228

whre youre the only BOTE carrier

lowkey tough mission

[paper wagon]

Ha ha.. this is fun... Or not?
If play in coop and ask crickets give laser to targets it must work moderate good

[spare orbit]

ts leaves me questioning if shits vanilla or not

[jade jungle]

"i think something's wrong with my copy of Carrier Command"

[tender elbow]

what is the damage model like? Do vehicles have HP or something else?

[fleet ridge]

Point and click puzzle game.
(As expensive as one stripped Compass btw.)

[rugged turtle]

Time to figure out how to KAR and BOTEify my favorite scenarios.

[clever vale]

How to spawn on an aircraft carrier?

[spare orbit]

What do you mean?

[hoary bear]

You have to have a dock or something like that, built from the landing craft.

[static ledge]

is this compatible with qol? cause for me it doesn't want to load

[hoary bear]

you should check if you have the latest version of all of them

qol was updated to fix some issues relating to kar/bote

[static ledge]

man last update that shows was 6th of march

or do i need nomm

[hoary bear]

strongly suggest you just use nomm

it is so easy

[fickle summit]

just normal damage models as vanilla

[spare orbit]

Latest versions, yes.

Although QoL gives me a bit of a few lagspikes

[tender elbow]

I don't really know what vanilla uses. I know that agm48 kills a tank but nothing else

[spare orbit]

In short it is a near 1:1 with venilla damaging to ground vehicles.

Ships, eh. Different story.

[fickle summit]

i havent notices a difference with ships

[daring moat]

maybe im stupid but i can't seem to get the landing craft to move properly, seems to be capped at like 7km/h at full throttle

ohh nvm just found the message about custom axis

[spare orbit]

You can only spawn carriers at docks, not other ships.

[rough wraith]

https://youtu.be/mw61HB7DQJ4?si=CBfpvtpmWtPmkyVm kar gameplay

thanks to the guy that made this mission, its fun asl

[fleet hull]

what in the kuznetsov bro

[spare orbit]

Never head of this alert before and it lowkenuenly gave me a heart attack

[exotic berry]

is it possible to take control of an already spawned in unit and exit it without destroying it (ejecting )

[twilit silo]

don't want to sound rude or uneducated, but is there an easier way to install all of this? like in a one file or something?

[charred barn]

you can use this, it installs bepinex for you automatically and mod installs are a one click process https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1467341462227124305

[charred barn]

nope, as far as the game is concerned, kar and bote are just weird aircraft

if you get out of a kar in range of an airbase then it gets returned to yor inventory, botes are a bit more difficult to get in range

[twilit silo]

thank you, soory it's my first time using mods here

[fleet hull]

any way to make non basic missiles more reliable on the ships?

especially on the add on slots

[runic mango]

Oh! Thanks to you for playing this mission!

[rough wraith]

yall ever scorched a cricket in half using a FOB truck's laser?

[upbeat notch]

Uhh no

Can’t say I’ve done that

I’ve killed an ifrit with a tank laser before

I lased his wing off with the 70kw

[fleet hull]

• any plans for compatibility with QOL? (with missiles like the RAM-29 for example)

[rough wraith]

Its insane how powerful it actually is

I had a cricket loitering over me and I was shitting myself until I realised my 70kw laser was cutting parts off it

[hearty badge]

The PD on the tanks? Not the MSV one?

[rough wraith]

Theyre the same

[hearty badge]

In my testing, I did not get it to damage aircraft enough to destroy them. The MSV one has a chance because it has unlimited capacitor but the tank ones tend to run out of energy

I'm the one who balanced the mod. (Made it quite OP on purpose) And the MSV was designed to be the only one which actually stands a chance at burning the aircraft if given enough time. The others were specialized either for unlimited linchpin spam or for bombs.

I will have to retest the lasers because it's been a while since they were implemented and balanced and some variables have changed.

[upbeat notch]

It will badly damage smaller aircraft

And it can anihilate heli rotors

[hearty badge]

Can it destroy more than one aircraft before it runs out of juice?

And at what ranges does it usually achieve such destruction?

[upbeat notch]

Nah

[stark dust]

the 70kw is by far the most useless turret huh 😭

[rough wraith]

The cricket was circling me about 2-0.5 kilometres away so it was easy to sustain the laser on it

[upbeat notch]

It runs out of juice trying to kill the scythes that fly over me

It’s annoying

Your not gonna kill them bro

[stark dust]

it runs out of juice trying to kill anything thats coming at you

[rough wraith]

And then I got double teamed by a chicane and taran and the 70kw couldnt do shit to em 💔

[hearty badge]

It would be ideal to turn off automatic turrets when having the 70kW, because it does indeed tend to consume its precious capacitor doing useless things.

[rough wraith]

Just set turrets off untill you feel like some air craft is coming to get you

[upbeat notch]

Yea I set it to hold fire

Unless I get opticals launched at me

I’ve also learned the chicane turret is not good for shooting tanks

It’s very bad

They deflect them

[wicked crest]

Thank you so much

[sharp prism]

:(

[hoary bear]

SPAA-25 M'a Duse

[sharp prism]

@stuck jolt

[stuck jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-rise-foxmel-gif-23928895

[ancient laurel]

how do I deploy naval fob??? I press the button nothing happen its only turned blue

[supple basin]

Nothing stops the mail!

[uncut mortar]

one day we'll have the MSV with a flatbed-mounted Tsar Bomb 💔

-# welcome back ICBM Escalation bomb truck

[meager dragon]

I love this mod

[upbeat notch]

We need the TBM

Ballistic missile launcher truck

So funny

[dense torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/war-1000-yard-stare-gif-10147302364842942579

[glass folio]

Driving ground vehicles over long distances at high speed is extremely exhausting, and it’s easy to crash into roadside debris by accident. Could you add a feature similar to commanding AI vehicles in the original game—where players select a destination with the mouse, and the AI drives there automatically? Players should be able to interrupt the AI driving at any time.

[jade jungle]

i just don't even use the roads unless i'm in a wheeled vehicle

[limber pasture]

You can just throttle up and let the engine take you along and sit back, you don't need to manually press w to keep going unless its all the weaving along the road that gets to you?

[dreamy pebble]

Talk about a gunboat amirite

6x 76mm and the 155 railgun

[lyric coral]

Idea, there should be a speedrun of escalation with only the KAR and BOTE mod and only the KAR mod

(without pulling nuclear TBMs out of your A)

(Idk if that makes a difference)

[night surge]

Can we please get ARH versions of all of the SARH missiles for player SAMs? Because I keep failing to get 'locks' on targets well inside of tracking range for their NPC counterparts (Even if I try and keep it to one target and launch from that they still don't get 'tone')

[lyric coral]

Isn’t the Tarantula literally a bully magnet?

[rough wraith]

Yeah when your in air craft, but when your in an MSV with only a 70kw laser it gets rough

[lyric coral]

Unlucky circumstances

[real crystal]

deploy a fob where u want to be with the tarantula

[fickle summit]

i thought u could only do 2x 76 4x 57 and railgun

[runic lily]

i love this mod while using the unrestricted weapons one

[exotic berry]

is ts supposed to happen?

[night sorrel]

uhhhh youve been toggling slowmo on and off????

[hoary bear]

you should check your binds and the top left side of your screen, bub

[cinder trail]

AGM-48s are currently broken sadly

[whole belfry]

is there any good worshop missions for the Kar mod. i always feel that i dont get good ground standoffs in the main gamemodes. is there KAR specific missions?

[feral chasm]

man i love the railgun

[lyric coral]

AGM-68s also feel kinda doodoo

[cinder trail]

it's unfortunate but

no solution atm

[lyric coral]

Also all missiles feel cheap and expendable for some reason

[rough wraith]

yep, search by most recent

[whole belfry]

huh

[rough wraith]

yeah theres a bunch of KAR missions out right now just filter the workshop by most recent

[whole belfry]

ok

[dense torrent]

KAR/BOTE terminal control would be sick

[austere socket]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3700231977&searchtext=

epic embed failure :(

[slender geode]

hello rico rodriges

[austere socket]

https://github.com/MinecrackTyler/BoscaliOceanTrainingExercise/releases/tag/v1.3.3
BOTE 1.3.3

• CIWS fixed (for good hopefully?)
• Various small bug fixes
• Broken weapons disabled for now
• FOB Network syncing fixed
• Ship pilots made invulnerable to crash damage for now, should make OTB better
• radial menu gear now can toggle the landing craft door

[hard zephyr]

Since installing KAR + BOTE, I have lost the ability to see friendly player nametags over icons. Though this is great if the intent is to not distinguish which units are players or npcs, it does inhibit multiplayer coordination when both the player number and their positions are unknown.

[untold haven]

this is most likely something that the author of the nametag mod needs to address.

[hard zephyr]

I shouldn’t rule out the Quality of Life mod either, that is a more likely culprit. I’m only asking because other players in a server confirmed that name tags weren’t an issue with the same mods present.

[jade glade]

so why does the Dynamo only get 26 Scythe missiles in the VLS cells?

also the Aux launchers for the Tuskos and many other missles are broken same with the RAM-45 in that the often just go right into the sea on launch if the target isnt directly in front of you or really high up

[rugged turtle]

Did this version fix that CIWS systems really liked to fire on selected targets when you swapped off of them?

Because I purposefully haven't been taking the defensive upgrades for the boats because of this.

[austere socket]

that is an issue with the base game, but I can look into it

[silver dome]

how to deploy fob from lcac in BOTE mod? and how to move playing on this?

[rugged turtle]

I mean that the laser defenses should only fire on munitions automatically, but when I scroll through my weapons, they'll just fire on what's selected.

[austere socket]

the aux launchers, while they can be improved, also as part of using them require correct target positioning

[rugged turtle]

I know there was multiple ways to interpret what I wrote, and that's my bad.

[austere socket]

check keybinds, there are new bindings at the bottom. Use select fob, the text turns green, then use the deploy unit button

i need to look at the lasers, they aren't perfect currently

[lavish garnet]

Is the APS system supposed to only work manually?

[austere socket]

it should work automatically

make sure turrets are not set to hold fire, and you do not have the aps selected so it can work automatically

it is not 100% reliable

[lavish garnet]

i gotcha, the lasers seem more proactive about targeting incoming munitions, havent gotten the APS to do anything on its own yet

[austere socket]

aps is also very short range

[lavish garnet]

also: do ships have a reverse option? All the docks seem to spawn the ships facing inland or towards the dok making spawning at base a very time consuming process

[austere socket]

use pitch

[rugged turtle]

This is a stupid question, but how do I control the camera when setting up a FOB from the LCAC?

[austere socket]

throttle is for cruise control, pitch can go forward and back

camera controls for the fob are the same as normal freecam

wasd

unless you unbound them. the controls are called move forward/back/etc

[lavish garnet]

🙏

[rugged turtle]

Many thanks!

[royal hinge]

Heya! The MSV Radar + EW Module option messes up my game when I spawn in with it, is this a known glitch?

[desert delta]

Yes, its on its bugtracker, if you mean detaching upon spawn

[royal hinge]

Ah, fun. Hopefully that gets fixed soon.

[charred barn]

Known issue ye 🍻

[lyric coral]

Hi

[jade glade]

this is on a Full load of only this kind of Missile BTW

[pure dust]

why mbt turrets are so dipped down to the main hull?

is this a common bug or is this just me?

[cinder trail]

update QoL

older QoL versions break KAR

[pure dust]

kinda like it tho. looks like it should be like that

[cinder trail]

nah it loks bad imho

[fallow nimbus]

looks like the swedish Stridsvagn 103

[pure dust]

yeah

exactly my thought

[fallow nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/get-stridsvagened-gif-7925378455239928456

[pure dust]

do bots use ufo?

[cinder trail]

bots use ufo in base game

[pure dust]

is there a way to restrict ufo from the bots?

[charred barn]

Don't have more ufo's in the inventory than the aircraft reserve value

[fleet hull]

why does it have the toy gun barrel

[pure dust]

that might be barrel cover

so debris don't get into it while in storage

or maybe im wrong idk

[pure dust]

does the ai spawns with vehicles?

or ships?

[fleet ridge]

120mm/140mm cannon for AFV8 for muh Stryker MGS LARP when.

[pure dust]

is this mod not compatible with kestrel?

[flint swan]

All aircraft mods should be compatible with each other

[flint swan]

That's a oh my God. That is an amazing pfp

[pure dust]

wait ufo is kestrel?

[tiny sluice]

does the normal gear key (G by default) also toggle the OTB door?

[cinder trail]

yes

[upbeat notch]

Yes

But they can’t get them anyway

Not if you have any in reserve

Which

Why would you have ufos in reserve??

[pure dust]

No, at first I thought it would be chaos untill i saw the price

I thought everyone would just fly the thing

[buoyant jolt]

amazing mod indeed

[modest pike]

Shouldn't the linebreaker hull also have the anvil's 57mm cannon since the anvil has a linebreaker hull?

[autumn bane]

Is this normal AI behavior when you're the carrier?

Massive cojones on those darkreach pilots

[spare orbit]

How the hell did a dark reach AI land that

[autumn bane]

That's what I'm saying

I'm sad I was too busy following my AshMs to watch the landing

[jade glade]

THERE IS NO WAY XD

[cinder trail]

... I don't think so?

i'm surprised they even consider the Hyperion a valid airbase

[craggy aspen]

noone:

ai:
ITS REACHIN' TIME

[undone dust]

project peakman soundtrack detected

[undone dust]

at least one instance a chicane has landed on my dynamo so there's some mechanics at work there

although obviously a
darkreach and hyperion is a, different matter entirely lol

[autumn bane]

indeed

i actually have quite a few PW soundtracks swapped in

curtain rise, peacekeeper 1 + 2, midnight light, final flight

and of course showdown for those big kills

[sharp prism]

how

[half timber]

Since the release of 1.3.1 of bote not a single multiplayer server

[untold haven]

the linebreaker hull was a relatively late addition, weapon systems that would ideally be on it will be added in a future update

[fleet hull]

railgun fix when

[vestal haven]

Why 152mm shell have less HE then 76mm shell?

[lyric coral]

Great question

[shut orchid]

Anyone know if there is a server hosting Botes and/Or Kars?

[cinder trail]

Blueprinter doesn't work with dedicated servers

[left hinge]

iirc 152mm is specifically APFSDS

76mm is a mortar

so kinda self explanatory

[vestal haven]

Not 130mm or 155mm railgun, artillery one, it's definitely not APFSDS

[glacial flame]

'APFSDS' what are you talking bro

and the 76 is absolutely not a mortar.

[shut orchid]

Oh sad

[lyric coral]

Clearly never played any War Thunder like games

(referring to le others)

[open citrus]

it just says fin stabilised not armor piercing fin stabilised discarding sabot

[lyric coral]

Either HEAT-FS or HE-FS

Either way, clearly not doing enough damage for a 152

[nocturne fern]

where tf does it say apfsds

it just says fin stabilized

[fleet ridge]

Is there any way to see if my RAM-45 lost track? Or even, how would I know what stuff my radar currently sees? Any mods for that?

[vestal haven]

you can check using map

not very convenient, but it works

[uncut mortar]

no, what are you talking bro

Like people before me said, it's simply a fin-stabilized round

[lyric coral]

I don’t think y’all know what some people are trying to say. Both of y’all are either agreeing on some same point, absolutely butchering interpretation, or both.

To clarify, APFSDS is strictly an armor piercing round with no explosive filler that absolutely relies on spall damage. Best if, and generally is, made out of depleted uranium (DU) and used against reasonably thick armor that HEAT-FS or HEDP could struggle with

[uncut mortar]

dude I just realized, the person that I replied to was replying to another person 💀

okay I am so sorry for the misunderstanding, way to go holy shit

but yeah no, I do know all the funky shell types so nw, I just thought the person that I replied to (sleepyskull) was claiming that the 155mm HEFS was APFSDS

-# because I didn't see the chat logs above that, mb :(

[lyric coral]

Had to at least clarify what APFSDS is specifically

[uncut mortar]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pure dust]

will update brake this mod or nah?

another question, why ships continuously go forward without any input. they can't stop

[real crystal]

that's how ships work

[pure dust]

nah, they going full flank, what if i want it stationary at full stop

[real crystal]

reverse until you stop and set speed to neutral

[pure dust]

how do i set the speed?

nvm

i'm just dum

[dense torrent]

Literally just upsized 76 from the Tula

[jade glade]

I need to well actually your well acctuall to clarify depleted uranium is not the most common metal for APFSDS rounds that would be tungsten, other then that everything else you said is right.

[pure dust]

?

[left hinge]

im fairly sure the 76 is a mortar, or the caliber under it might be, and the 152mm gun desc on the tank def says apfsds

i swear

i may be mixing it up with the 130 actually

[vestal haven]

I think you mean 130mm one

[left hinge]

might be

also sinc eim here

the railgun is so god damn inaccurate against ground targets

the only way i have been able to get ground kills (not counting water) with it was having the round skim off the ground infront of the target at a perfect angle to hit it

[sage rune]

It’s a problem with the vanilla vehicles and stuff

The vehicle center or wtv is low and the guns aim at the center

So from a ship it aims low

[plain meteor]

If the dimensions are doubled it should have 8 times the HE filling, or more due to optics taking up the same amount of space

If the 76mm has 3kg of TNT equivalent I think the 152mm should have about 25-30kg

[dense torrent]

I.. meant the model

[plain meteor]

Oh. Well, the HE load is too low as someone else said

[charred barn]

Never got the 152 to work right

[hearty pulsar]

jeah 152mm kinda weird the range is even way to short for a 152mm

[charred barn]

The 76 and 152 were heavily nerfed. The original 76mm was just the tarantula gun and it uhh, practically let you solo escalation. Turns out realistic artillery is overpowered to a ridiculous degree

[kind crow]

"Great battles are won with artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte

[queen swift]

I sometimes spectate 152 shells to see them, uhh, "flop around" a little bit

[plain meteor]

Its more like a mortar

[rough wraith]

I did not expect him to pop out like that

[desert delta]

Deployable FOBs and Helipads of KAR do allow me to pick Munitions containers and pallets, yet doesn't allow me to pick Naval containers and pallets. Intended?

[hearty badge]

We still have to decide what exactly the 152mm does. Originally it was just a counterpart to the 76mm, having exactly the same stats. Then we tried making it more powerful, but then it didn't really make sense because it broke balancing.

We tried making it so that it's actually a near direct fire weapon at very short ranges, a sort of tank destroyer weapon. We even considered making it fire Pab-80LRs, or mini nukes.

The problem is that most things have significant trouble intercepting those shells at shorter ranges, but RAM45 and Stratolance have an easy time chewing them up. Meaning that no matter what we do, if it is more powerful than the 76 in any way, it is absolutely overpowered, and if it is weaker than the 76, it becomes completely useless due to the very low DPS and interception rate.

As a result, the 152mm will most likely remain as is until Vanilla will get more artillery mechanics in the future.

[glossy juniper]

Un-educated guess, but maybe the shells could be made unguided in the meantime?

but with better stats than the 76mm

[hearty badge]

We tried having them be unguided, but the actual ballistics calculations are so horrendous that they will never land within even fifty meters of the target regardless of range.

[glossy juniper]

damn.

[hearty badge]

Then again, in the next few updates artillery will get an overhaul within vanilla balance, likely getting a few mortars and howitzers on existing platforms. There is a high chance of us getting those into kar as well.

[glossy juniper]

oh

nice

[fleet ridge]

hits blunt
make 152mm shoot tuskos

[desert delta]

LMAO. 152mm Boscalian SPG will give you like 100m spread IRL on furthest distance when unguided shells, maximum charge. Absolutely realistic.

[glossy juniper]

oh right, I wanted to ask
is there any way to "recover" ships

or eject safely

[glossy juniper]

100m of spread is significantly better than "rarely hits within 50 meters"

[hearty badge]

Ships are recovered if you eject while close enough to an airbase center. This means that for fobs creating by OTBs, you just need to get close to the dock and it should work. But on pre-made bases that just have docks added to them in the mission editor, you somehow have to find a way to get as close as humanly possible to the airbase center. Alternatively, on other ships like Dynamo and Hyperion, you have to get within spitting distance of them and try to be completely stationary when you eject.
A bit of a pickle when the dynamo is going at 50km an hour already.

Tyler said he is going to look into that, but then again, it's going to take a while.

[desert delta]

What's with FOBs of KAR not allowing me to take naval containers for copters btw?

[hearty badge]

If I recall correctly, you're not supposed to take naval containers from bases that do not have ammunition bunkers on them. FOBs by design do not have that much ammunition.

Then again, it might be that in vanilla you can't take normal munitions crates either in such a case, so I'm not entirely sure.

[fickle summit]

With lcac if u do munition bunker doesnt that allow for helis to spawn w naval crate?

[hearty badge]

I have no idea sadly.
It's been a while since I played with it..

[glass minnow]

how do i deploy stuff from the lcac

[autumn bane]

go to the control bindings menu and scroll down to set the appropriate keybinds for it, then go on land and drop your ramp with the 'lower gear' button to let your vehicles out

[glass minnow]

ye i just found it like a second ago

is it supposed to be this buggy tho

it wont get off and just goes up and down inside the lcac

[autumn bane]

Yes it does

So long as there's a helipad at that same FOB of course

[glossy juniper]

Random question, but, I do feel like there should be a way to spawn AI defenses for FOBs

[desert delta]

You can take Hexhounds by MSV. Using UnrestrictedWeapons, you'll be able to also safely take LCV-25s, RAM-45 container/radar. Using QoL and UW, also, laser, CRAM and Stratolaunch components.

(it even doesn't look wrong)

[glossy juniper]

oh, huh

nice

[desert delta]

To make UW allow you just this and not overload menu with stuff, you'll need, like, "lcv, afv, hlt, radar container, ram45 launcher, munitions, naval, container, m12, hexhound" filter with ToggleWhitelist = true and BlockAI = true

[nocturne fern]

truck

[icy grotto]

Would clusters work for it I wonder

Unguided shell with guided submunution

[hearty badge]

Once the GBMs are in, maybe we'll experiment!

[icy grotto]

Btw laser as terminal could work as well

idk if it works already

[limber pasture]

What the hell? lol
Not even the AI has chill, just lands a Darkreach no problemo on a carrier wheeze.

Even the AI does the crazy crap some people have done.

Gosh does that mean the AI is machine learning off of us? nahhh

[rough wraith]

fellas Im remaking reprisal for KAR and need your opinions, Ive tested it out the mission on the T12 and the LSV

and found out that the LSV is much better at the mission with its atp launchers, this is because the atps can climb up a bit to aquire their target which gives the LSV much better shoot and scoot ability,

meanwhile the T12 has to face its target to aquire a good shot, this makes it way more vulnerable to being destroyed and coupled with its lackluster revers speed it suffers when being used for shoot and scoot tactics.

the T12 however only excels at this mission when im leroy jenkins'ing it and charging at the enemy columns, now the LSV on the otherhand can hold down at the base way better than the T12,

so TLDR: should I make the mission more leaning towards a sally out or a hold the fort type deal?

[limber pasture]

Considering Reprisal is basically a surprise assault by PALA forces, hold the fort might make sense since you have to hold against overwhelming odds?

[rough wraith]

I mean yeah but then boscali somehow knows of the suprise attack and sortied A19s right as it happens

[limber pasture]

Okay a mixture?

Sally holds out the fort?

[rough wraith]

lol

ok but in hindsight this might just be a complete non-issue because players can just eject and play whatever vehicle they want

[lavish garnet]

So I did some testing in the editor, and non-surprisingly theres some strange behavior from AI using these custom "aircraft". Kar ground vehicles always try to takeoff on a runway, eventually running off the edge when they can't lift off. They seem to work fine as customizable vehicles when you remove their fuel (they stay stationary).

Ships on the other hand are strange. They always try to move forward; shard sink themselves it seems. More strangely is that the AI completly ignore AI Botes. They will fly past and not engage even when a destroyer is shooting them down. Aditionnally, the AI ships do not utilize all of their weapons.

It makes perfect sense that this would be broken. I just thought it would be cool to have customizable ground and naval units in custom missions. I wouldn't assume that any of this is fixable since I haven't heard anything about the AI itself being moddable in NO, but I thought I'd point it out just in case!

[pure dust]

It's always moving forward cause throttle is at max when you spawn for some reason. Try to throttle it down it will slow down and eventually stop

I really want to play multiplayer match with this mod

[lavish garnet]

I'm talking about an AI ship, not player controlled!

[untold haven]

fixing this is outside of the scope of this mod, the units added by KAR and BOTE are not related to ground vehicles and ships at all and the game treats them as aircraft

[untold haven]

there is almost always one or more matches going on, there's one right now in Boscali vc lol

[lavish garnet]

Fair enough!

[verbal dawn]

itd be cool if u could build stuff like vehicle depots lol

or like sea FOBs

to spawn naval units from

[cinder trail]

you can

BOTE has a FOB system

[verbal dawn]

how

i think im too dumb to understand

[cinder trail]

check pins

[verbal dawn]

ive got one more question
Hyperion spawns:

• Ship Dock
  where do i find a ship dock

[cinder trail]

FOB editor or map editor

[austere socket]

holy shit lmao

also, future update will have much better ejection rules for ships, its within 2km of a friendly airbase and below 10m/s, and there is a hud element that updates every few seconds that tells you if it is safe 👍

will probably wait until update drops though and then figure out what goes wrong before any more updates get released

[charred barn]

The music hits perfectly lol

[austere socket]

really lol

he just shows up lmao

"huh"

[charred barn]

Definitely some shenanigans Monarch would do

[austere socket]

aoa limiter mod when

😭

[queen swift]

🥀

[kind crow]

tried it and it made my ifrit into flat pack furniture

[desert delta]

So, to all concerned users, both 76mm of AFV8 and 152mm of Spearhead appear to have effective range, where shells don't lose orientation or blow up, 10km. Just like mortars. Those islanders love their barrels smooth. Still useful in some edge cases.

[spark kayak]

Is the mod going to conflict with the update? I wouldn't think so based off the devblog but idk for certain

[valid sparrow]

when i use the MSV with the Radar + EW module, i spawn with no load/weapons, is this becose of the QoL mod i have or does this module just not work?

[charred barn]

Known issue with the radar module

[charred barn]

Have to assume that everything will break

[jade jungle]

if u have to ask, the answer is probably yes

mods are inherently unstable

[craggy aspen]

Update thou art in the making,
Hallowed be thy changelog.
Thy release will be done on client,
As it is done on server.
Give us this day our quarterly update,
And forgive us our incompatible mods, 
As we forgive those who make mods incompatible with ours.
And lead us not into crashes to desktop,
But deliver us from memory leaks,
For thine are the gamestate,
And the machine spirit.
For ever, Amen.

[spare orbit]

???

[open citrus]

i wonder... are there better spawn points for boats ? instead of always relying on a carrier ?

[desert delta]

In Missions tab of Primeva 2082 (qol mod) Discord Server there are Naval Escalation and Naval Terminal Control missions

[open citrus]

never noticed it

[desert delta]

https://discord.com/channels/1303878245942431765/1489302024351780984

https://discord.com/channels/1303878245942431765/1489292872846016613

[hoary bear]

you can also build harbors with a landing craft

[open citrus]

It's possible ?!

darn i'm just stupid

[hoary bear]

you need binds in the control menu. at the very bottom, set all the binds up.

[open citrus]

guess i'll check that out

[hoary bear]

well, you can't build without them, so...

[valid sparrow]

What do i need to load in it to build it?

[hoary bear]

idk, some jackknives and some defensive vehicles

[valid sparrow]

So nothing special ig? just random vehicles

[desert delta]

checkbox FOB builder at the top of list

[valid sparrow]

ty

[odd pine]

Wrong chat lmao

[lyric coral]

Ngl a playable TBM launcher with expensive missiles could fit Nuclear Option

Or at least, better yet, the Davy Crockett

Or something like it

[native coyote]

how do I spawn planes on carrier?

[opal lotus]

See control settings

[tawny swallow]

They said that its likely not going to happen. "The reason why TBMs/ Cruise Missiles didn't get added is because of the rearm spam meta.
Fire, wait 3s, fire again, repeat.

Even if we limit their reloads, the gameplay is boring.

If/when we implement a strike planner or ability to remote control the cruise missiles, we might add TBM and Cruise Missile trucks"

[hoary bear]

i already think the 48 spam is not fun, but that's just due to how the game plays as a ground unit. it's a practical loadout that can be used, but it's not fun.

[open citrus]

is it normal the rantula flips me off before leaving without elaborating further ? q-q

[valid sparrow]

Does any1 know of a way to build a harbor without a landincraft?

[lyric coral]

I guess Davy Crocketts wouldn’t be as bad as an idea (if there were a way to transport nukes or something)

[austere socket]

he's a little inexperienced, please forgive him (i am looking into why it does that)

[night surge]

Set one down in the mission editor when making the mission, thats it

[pure dust]

Target cam? What's that?

A mod?

[rotund tulip]

so, just to be clear, to deploy ship, you gotta spawn a truck (?) with a boat FOB, deploy the fob on the coast, wait for it to build, and then you can deploy ships?

ahh, nvm

[open citrus]

oh nyo. i have been captured

[errant iris]

I tried to pick up another player as a turantula and they in a kar vehicle and they were sent to orbit while on my screen they just exploded, is this just a natural limitation or a bug?

[open citrus]

it's just boscali space program

trust

[cinder trail]

limitation

the game netcode can't handle towed player objects

[valid sparrow]

There are boat FOBS?

I know there are Harbors, and that you can (somehow) build FOB's and helipads on the water, but the, still count as "normal" bases

[compact nacelle]

Good day. While I was driving an MSV truck, I noticed a bug: 48mm rockets can be resupplied from a munition container, but 68mm rockets for some reason cannot be resupplied.

[open citrus]

best i found is the landing ships that can actually build FoB with helipads, aircraft spawns and even boat spawns

(and some other stuff)

[lyric coral]

We need a CEV esk vehicle for building defenses rather than spawning 4 to too many SAM UGVs

[azure loom]

Are you guys thinking about adding the next upcoming frigate and Annex class carrier?

[hoary bear]

These things take time

[azure loom]

Yea i know and i appreciate what you guys did with both boat and kar thank yall for these mods i was just curious about it

[hoary bear]

Im not one of those goats

[azure loom]

Well still thank you for your mod also, heat seeker sound is a interesting idea

Always appreciate mods

[charred barn]

the MSV mobile support module can fix buildings (way faster than one CEV), and rearm+refuel aircraft

[open citrus]

that's fixing tho not building stuff out of scratch :c

best it can do is deploy a vehicle FoB but that's it

[fleet ridge]

BOTE-like building would be epic...

[charred barn]

ah i misread lol

i have emplacements-in-a-box on the list

no ETA if or when they happen tho

[open citrus]

maybe... having a playable jackknife for it ?

[hushed inlet]

kill dozer?

[open citrus]

why kill

[hushed inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/killdozer-gif-20527097

[open citrus]

note to self, you can do moneyshifts with vehicles. the flywheel is stronk

as well as the pistons

trust

[lyric coral]

Fix, not setup

[lyric coral]

Ah

23mm turret would go hard

[open citrus]

omw to defend the air

[lyric coral]

*Omw to bully air targets at close range

[open citrus]

that too

it hurts my soul to hear the engines overrev tho

[azure loom]

Can someone tell me how to use the landing craft

Can't really figure it out

[lyric coral]

G puts you into deployment mode, the ability to deploy things and change what you're deploying need to be assigned in the keybinds menu, ^ and v changes throttle, E and Q turns you

[azure loom]

My bad for not explaining more correctly i only meant how to use the throttle mode thank you

[open citrus]

remember how the ibis works with its fore/aft throttle, it works the same

i had to figure it out too

[azure loom]

Thank you

[quaint nimbus]

I got a question
Considering you can spawn in FFG and DDG on carriers
But how do you spawn as carriers?
Do you need to set up a FOB with a dock?

[rotund tulip]

so, would the MSV truck with a normal fob deployed on/near water just work to spawn boats?

cause my main problem is i can't deploy any boats anywhere

[open citrus]

you exclusively need the landing boat to build a harbor, and they only spawn from carriers

[quaint nimbus]

Wait is there a way to rotate buildings

nvm figured it out

[open citrus]

why when i ask for ressuply the rantula decides to go to brazil instead

[open citrus]

on a side note you can use stratolances like AGM

[fierce crown]

Tried KAR and BOTE yesterday, it's quite good

[tawny swallow]

I think you can use pretty much anything as AGM. AAM, RAM, MMR, etc. if they are targeted. There may or may not be a mod that changes that.

[open citrus]

well the only issue is that they use their flying pattern, so stratolances just go on interception course. and if there's a brick in front. they don't ignore brick

[tawny swallow]

yeah I notice that with some missiles. They just fly right into mountains instead of going around. Its mostly annoying for getting vehicles that are behind ridges because instead of it going around, they just try to fly through and explode before hand.

[upbeat notch]

Is there any chance we get the HLT for KAR?

and ballistic missile launchers?

[open citrus]

as usable ? no. as deployable ? yes. through le landing bote

[uncut mortar]

These are some wild ideas tbh

Firing guided bombs like how it's been researched irl and mini nukes

[lyric coral]

When?

[uncut mortar]

Could I play devil's advocate here and say that tbh, since the vic is only player-controlled anyways, that bit of perhaps imbalanced stuff could still go in? Perhaps like in mixed-ammunition loadouts with your regular blast fragmentation shells, and a fraction of that in x special munition (Like how if the gun carries, say, 40 rounds, you could perhaps give up to 3 slots for ammunition choice to where you'll carry respectively 5 said cannon-launched SDB or nuclear projectile at the expense of the other stores

Iunno if you can implement something like that in NO, but having like, 5 0.05 or 0.005 (Iunno how big the blast settings for M109s etc were exactly) would be fun

[lyric coral]

Thing with the KAR mod is that some vehicles outclass others while some vehicles have specific niches that keep them useful

[uncut mortar]

Fairs

[lyric coral]

Like a recon car literally exists while aircraft exist

Cheap and undetectable sure

[uncut mortar]

All I'm saying is that games are there for our enjoyment lmao

[lyric coral]

Inefficient af

[uncut mortar]

Yes but irl recon planes are also yk

Converted airliners

Not just the airborne pendent to the small recon car

[lyric coral]

Cricket:

[uncut mortar]

Ah yes, the attack aircraft with a 2 man crew, no radar, probably no sophisticated EW equipment, etc

Plus planes are loud and usually cannot hide except for terrain, etc

If we're looking at the larp aspect of this, then recon cars are paramount to simply have lmao

[uncut mortar]

But yeah, to my knowledge the only real thing that changes between the 76mm container and 155mm container is A: massively increased volume for x fillings, B: (not necessarily, but probably) drastically increased range

But then ig you can dissect that into 10 billion different directions the more you look into it lmao, but who has the time for that

One can dream of 155mm cluster munitions or perhaps MLRS, RM-70/BM-30/TOS systems my beloved

[open citrus]

i want a recon car to have a nuclear brick on it

[open citrus]

honest talk, how are we supposed to ressuply ammo as a ship ?

[jade jungle]

call one

u have to bind a key for it

[open citrus]

i know that

but the AI just... gtfo instead of ressuplying me

he's always off to visit my mother everytime

[jade jungle]

ah, that
known bug

[open citrus]

darn. fire the pilot then

[rotund tulip]

thank you!

[open citrus]

it sails like an ibis tho, minus the collective. just the aft/fore thrust

in case you get confus

[rotund tulip]

on a different note, this happened

i have 0 clue how it triggered or what it even is

and the esc menu is all on the same line as well

like all clipping together

[lyric coral]

One can dream of a 600mm mortar with guided rounds

[obsidian nest]

Anyone getting resupplied at sea? The tarantula spawns, then just flies around till it self destructs, what gives, bug?

[austere socket]

bug

he's a little stupid right now

i actually still cant recreate it but people are having the issue so its real

[obsidian nest]

I see, he tried to resupply some random vehicle, thought he was gonna go for me next cause he had two pieces of cargo, but that was just once, rest of the time it just flies to seemingly nothing and self destructs :/ Love the mod though, truly amazing work.

[open citrus]

I recorded it when it happened, you can see the distance growing as the rantula decides to visit grandma instead

[quaint nimbus]

What's the mod with the border lines called?

[bright furnace]

something something frontlines

give me a minute

[bright furnace]

"Frontline Map" by 9138noms

[quaint nimbus]

Cheers

[sharp prism]

Just noticed something funny, this says KM instead of KW, for Bote

i love the shard

Also does the ship radar's wrap around in a 360 degree or is it only in the front/

[fleet ridge]

Wish there was a mod or an in-game update to radars to dynamically change their scanning angle. Even if that'll only really be useful for EW-25 (like the one above me), but it was still very weird to me that it still shows up as front-facing.

[sharp prism]

👋

[obsidian nest]

lmao, another thing is too. Once the tarantula crashes, you can never press the resupply button again on that vessel :/

[obsidian nest]

I assumed the blue ring around vehicles when hovering over them was visibility/radar visibility range, and the red ring being weapon range ? Just guessing tho

[open citrus]

yep : / but the plus side is that if you command a carrier, just put yourself to a stop and "eject" so you don't lose the moners. instead you get a huge sortie bonus

[sharp prism]

Yeah, it is basically that

[cedar olive]

yo how do i use the hellicopters on the ships

[austere socket]

it was a misinput :(

radar is 360

[cedar olive]

yo Tyler you know how to use the hellis you have in your cargo when youre using a ship

[austere socket]

check bindings

new bindings at bottom, next, previous, and deploy unit

use next and previous to select, then hit deploy

[cedar olive]

aight thanks bro

[light vortex]

Which would fit more? 1,5 20 or 250?

[austere socket]

bote is obviously broken in the new update, I will be pushing a patch in the next few days to fix it

[timid roost]

super thanks bro!

[charred barn]

same with kar, meanwhile have fun with .33!

[vestal haven]

I hope we will get 127mm guided shells

[fickle summit]

will we be getting the new frigate?

[austere socket]

eventually

all boats in the game will come at some point

[charred barn]

[0.32] KAR-BOTE Combined Arms

[gentle fern]

hello ladies

[sharp prism]

Ah, the Shard's radar is like any other aircraft, unlike the Dynamo, for example

[lyric coral]

1.5

(AA systems struggle to intercept shells with the exception of C-RAMs, SPAAGs, and LADs)

[lyric coral]

Also does anyone think the ground vehicles are gonna stand a chance this update?

Like the player ones at least

[hearty badge]

Gbm 500 should be vulnerable to Lasers. We will see once we update.

[open citrus]

should ?!

[lyric coral]

Ah

But we’re screwed if it deploys I take it

[lofty elbow]

(airfield is empty)

[cedar olive]

yo i cant deploy anything

[pale saffron]

Ah I was wondewring If I messed up my end as i only installed today or is it todays update

[lofty elbow]

mod is broken in 0.33 sadly

[pale saffron]

Can vouch that I can't spawn any ground or naval assets

[cedar olive]

well we got an uppdate to enjoy so our mod dev Nikko over here can take a brake

[cedar olive]

yo also random question how do i use the ufo

if you can use it

[cinder trail]

KAR and BOTE are currently broken

they'll eventually get fixed

[craggy aspen]

they failed MOT 😭

[cedar olive]

damn im slow thanks tho

[lyric coral]

At least I can strafe things with a cricket now

[restive tusk]

I have got a bug with the BOTE, if I turn on the mode, it just doesn`t let me to spawn and writes that: "all hangars are currently in use", while they are empty. Please fix

[cedar olive]

the mod isnt up to date cuz of the uppdate

like the uppdate on the game

[cedar olive]

read ts

[restive tusk]

I know

[cinder trail]

KAR and BOTE are known to be broken by the devs

works are underway

[restive tusk]

Also I have faced a strange bug with the Type-12 turrets, for example if I choose the 155m turret it just spawns under the tank =_=

[open citrus]

it's a underground artillery

trust

[restive tusk]

Or with the EW + radar module on MSV, when it just freezes on one space

KAR and BOTE need repairing and addition of new boats to the mode

[lyric coral]

Wait aren’t we getting the new ATGM for ground vehicles now?

[cinder trail]

balance discussions have yet to happen

personally I don't see too much difference between the ATP-1 and the AT-145

er sorry

GTG and AT-145

do you know of the difference?

[lyric coral]

All I know is that some vehicles outclass others while some vehicles have important niches that keep them from becoming useless

Can’t wait for the logistics system

[rotund tulip]

they're visually the exact same, so i'd assume the specs are the same, one is just air, one is ground

[jade jungle]

there is none

it's the same missile, it just has an actual designation now

and can be carried by the Ibis

@lyric coral

[lyric coral]

Nice

Now we just need a balance between the great ground vehicles and the not so great ground vehicles and maybe some balance between ground and air

Or at least a way to make KAR and BOTE less brainrotting

[potent osprey]

Kar stil works for me ,just dont put BOTE in the plugin folder

[devout shuttle]

KAR also works for me lol

Strange how KAR works but BOTE doesn't

[cinder trail]

BOTE adds a ton of functionality so

[devout shuttle]

ok nvm KAR works but some stuff is broken. oh well this is to be expected

[tepid laurel]

bro... i missed out on this mod

oh mais journee i was just inactive for a bit and missed soo much good mods

[devout shuttle]

They're gonna update it don't worry

[feral chasm]

did every single mod break after the update or is it only certain ones?

[cedar olive]

yes everything physical broke but some of the mod makers have since uppdated their mods

excuse my grammar

[feral chasm]

that makes sense

[uncut mortar]

Game updates break mods, this is to be expected

Give the mod devs some time to figure it out

They're also just volunteers

[open citrus]

updates having break mods in all games anyway most of times

be it rimworld, project zombo, jojo bizarre adventure

deez nuts

[uncut mortar]

Yup

[open citrus]

even a modded brick needs its mods updated to become a modded brick

[remote gorge]

Dunno if we are, but I can see some viability for the AT‐145 as another munitions option, it being a low-cost ATGM with half the range of an ATP-1 (only 4km v. the ATP-1's 8km, iirc) and being nowhere near as good as its higher grade counterpart.

[lyric coral]

A close range one essentially

[remote gorge]

Pretty much, yeah.

[open citrus]

well closer range means it has less chances of being intercepted

[cinder trail]

we tested the GTG as a primary ATGM before

we disliked it

I want to make a new munition that's basically just a F&F TOW II but

I don't know modding

so

[remote gorge]

Fair.

I suppose I'll bring up a question I've been wondering. Has the mod team looked into the possibility of making HP paperdolls for the various ground vehicles at some point?

[cinder trail]

it's kinda pointless

ground vehicles have very limited damage modelling

they have like, two aeroparts?

custom paperdolls for the ships would be nice though

[open citrus]

well ground vehicles aren't to be durable anyway. especially in here. so yeah if you don't get your pilot ejected on his own it's a miracle

[shy adder]

Guys, i installed the mods but when i try to play as a civ it says "All Hangars for this aircraft are currently in use, please try again in a moment...", can sombody help me ?

[jade jungle]

0.32 < 0.33

[shy adder]

so you say its better to wait for the mods to be fixed ?

[untold haven]

yes all mods are broken

[shy adder]

i see, thanks for the help

[jade jungle]

NOTT isn't

[charred barn]

If post says [0.32] and the game version is 0.33 then mod no work

[vapid timber]

if you have BOTE installed, remove it. at least that worked for me. KAR still seems to work

[austere socket]

After a little testing I should be able to get a fixed bote version up, seems like not that many things actually broke

While that is happening though:

(this will not begin work now, but will be the next once some other stuff is fleshed out)

[rotund tulip]

is yes an option?

[austere socket]

all 3, but this is which is first

again, when i get around to it

i was assuming argus would win but i was just checking lol

[sage rune]

i feel like the argus is gonna be a bit OP tbh

but hey its not about balancing when it comes to mods

[austere socket]

the dynamo also got 128 r9's lmao

argus will probably only be balanced by the fact it has limited surface attack capability

[sage rune]

uhhhhhh idk if thats fair to the single cricket i'll launch it all at

[weary hinge]

Please consider removing or rebalancing the 180x AGM option on the MSV truck in the next update. Currently, it disrupts game balance significantly, as it allows players to spam missiles at a very high rate. When multiple players use it together, it becomes overwhelming and can end rounds in under 10 minutes.

This also impacts gameplay variety, since less experienced players tend to rely heavily on this setup instead of exploring other options.

thanks for the great work

[sage rune]

2 things, range limits it a lot from what i remember, and its really your choice of weaponry

also its just too aura to remove

[uncut mortar]

agreed

Hate to say it but there ain't no balancing in real life, and if someone pulls up with a palletized container of small missiles, well

[spare orbit]

That's not a real argument in a game that's made to be balanced but ok

[weary hinge]

agreed

A higher cost price could help address this issue by discouraging players from relying on it exclusively.

[untold haven]

planned to be replaced

[spare orbit]

Where's the BRADLEY'S AT 🗣️🔥

[remote gorge]

Curious to find out what'll eventually replace it.

I've certainly had my fill of the MLRS-esque truck while it's lasted, even if quite broken.

[vestal haven]

agree, i already suggested unguided MLRS for truck, not as replace, but i think it's good (and more balanced alternative)

[hearty pulsar]

watch 90% of the R9 being still notched without getting half way there to the target god I cant wait for the Argus to come into the mod I want working long range ARHs I had to many wasted R9

[lusty zodiac]

The destroyer is better in every way, ARH is meaningless. The R9 also outperforms the new missile in raw speed, and sea skimming still defeats both.

Especially once QoL gets updated, everything just has jammers, you can just jam the ARH missiles and then bomb the absolute living fk out of Frigates. They have less missiles, worse armaments and so on

Kind of a shame we're getting the Frigate first... guess I'll have to wait for the annex a lil' longer

What I do hope atleast, is that the Frigate will actually be what it is, a cheaper escort than a destroyer, able to be bought much sooner than the hefty 750 mil pricetag of the destroyer

[vestal haven]

tbh QOL is unbalanced mod that make aircrafts overpowered

[lusty zodiac]

Even in vanilla the destroyer would still outperform the frigate. That's literally how it is irl too

It would be absurd to assume, or try and make the frigate something it's not

The 155MM in Bote on the Destroyer is absurdly strong, you can snipe low flying aircraft, even darkreaches from like 38km away if they're flying towards you.

Sure, not consistently because the MOA is "bad" but still

Also, ASHM-300's are so much better than AGM-99's. And you get 16 more of them, too.

[amber granite]

152mm guided gun wants to say hello

[spare orbit]

Nerfed lynchpins want to have a chat

[amber granite]

how nerfed are they?

geniunely curious

[spare orbit]

Manually guided.

Before they were independently guided

AGMs but smaller and spammable

[amber granite]

i like them more now that they are laser guided, compared to their rng behavior from a year ago

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spare orbit]

Weak.

[amber granite]

weak is 152mm gun

on that note: what about queenpins, are they in a good place?

[amber granite]

@ mod authors

[charred barn]

Idunno

[untold haven]

that's something for players to figure out

[charred barn]

Balance was barely a thought during development

[amber granite]

then why the nerfed 152mm...

[lyric coral]

https://tenor.com/view/черный-gif-8284575235000460429

[hard zephyr]

In regards to the lynchpins, I find it funny that the 75mm guided shells appear to have the same size guidance package, but they (a cheaper and more compact munition) somehow have independent guidance capability?

[amber granite]

what about the AGM-68 truck?

[fleet ridge]

(Maybe it could be some funny proprietary ballistic missiles, makes a bit more sense imo. Even mounting Tuskos would theoretically work 'better'.)

[open citrus]

fire
ALL

THE MISSILES