Mod Manager Discussion | Nuclear Option | Page 2

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 11:31 AM

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this is re feature creep

tawny oracle Jan 30, 2026, 11:32 AM

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just make the manager subscription based RNG_looks_at_chat

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 11:32 AM

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tbh the feature creep isnt to bad yet

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 11:32 AM

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yeah I can open a patreon, screw all of you over and run with the money DogeLaugh

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 11:33 AM

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autumn hamlet tbh the feature creep isnt to bad yet

not Yet

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😄

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i think we have a solid foundation though

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I'm gonna collect all the relevant knowledge into a pinned OP as well

tawny oracle Jan 30, 2026, 11:36 AM

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yeah, just need to give this a week or few to settle, get mods on it and a useable frontend(s)

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 11:36 AM

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aye

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Proof
of
Concept

sunglase

tawny oracle Jan 30, 2026, 11:37 AM

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usually i use PoC as an entirely different acronym

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 11:38 AM

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PoS can also mean different things and lead to really bad misunderstandings DogeLaugh

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"the PoS system is not working again"

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DogeLaugh

tawny oracle Jan 30, 2026, 11:39 AM

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that has a lot more overlap to my knowledge

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 11:39 AM

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tawny oracle yeah, just need to give this a week or few to settle, get mods on it and a useab...

wouldnt you say my frontend is usable yet?

tawny oracle Jan 30, 2026, 11:39 AM

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tru

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 11:40 AM

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that is correct its certainly not

tawny oracle Jan 30, 2026, 11:40 AM

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its functional

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 11:40 AM

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usable == functional?

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 11:41 AM

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i fixed the bad no-autopilot-mod in master manifest

tawny oracle Jan 30, 2026, 11:41 AM

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btw is it possible to make it a portable program? that might be simpler for users

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 11:41 AM

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yes

tawny oracle Jan 30, 2026, 11:42 AM

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also linux is a thing

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rewrite it as a webapp🐴

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 11:42 AM

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i can even do both i need to check again but the settings should be saved independently from the .exe location theoretically

junior geode Jan 30, 2026, 11:43 AM

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I'm talking private in a "not on the public masterlist" sense. Though it also means people can migrate to another masterlist if ever necessary.

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 11:44 AM

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tawny oracle also linux is a thing

I want to eventually provide a class library that can function as a "core"

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for any frontend or cli app initiative

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 11:44 AM

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tawny oracle also linux is a thing

elaborate

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well for any c# implementations anyways right?

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 11:45 AM

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could also try to do provide bindings or smth so multiple languages could use it

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or slop port it to other languages 😄

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I don't aim to enforce rules on using it or anything, but I think its nice to provide example implementations

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to give idea about expected usage patterns

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 11:47 AM

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you better not i would die

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we should and need to provide a lot of documentation for standards and everything

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 11:47 AM

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yes that's why I made the schema document

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 11:48 AM

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well yes i know i mean we definitely can improve it

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 11:48 AM

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absolutely

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but again, aiming for version 1.0 at the start is false hope, it's better to start with the pieces you need to build a house, before trying to build an entire house

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 11:50 AM

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true but then we need to do it in the right order you cant build a roof without having anything to build it on after all

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 11:50 AM

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very true

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yet people keep trying, that's why I have a job 😄

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 11:51 AM

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💀 true

zealous coral Jan 30, 2026, 12:48 PM

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preciate that

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i will use it

fair turret Jan 30, 2026, 2:00 PM

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Finally wrangled dotnet publish and got it working.

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Also fixed the patcher so it correctky steals BepInEx's eyes when disabling mods

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 5:57 PM

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@autumn hamlet what Java runtime do i need

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 5:58 PM

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java 21 i can probably make the requirement like java 8 so more systems are directly compatible

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 5:59 PM

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do I need to hide from Larry if I download 21 ?

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 5:59 PM

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?

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 6:00 PM

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autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 6:00 PM

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uh what

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 6:00 PM

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fun fact i (re-)learned how to code by writing a java uninstaller 😭

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when I was still a desktop techie

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 6:00 PM

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that sounds about right

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who wants to use java anyways

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 6:01 PM

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we had to roll a bunch of machines back to like java 7.40 because business reasons XD

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 6:01 PM

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the jvm though very good for what it is

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 6:01 PM

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final wren we had to roll a bunch of machines back to like java 7.40 because business reaso...

💀

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 6:04 PM

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autumn hamlet uh what

Larry Ellison
Oracle CEO

if you end up working for a place that is an oracle customer, you will understand what I meant

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 6:05 PM

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i better never find out then

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 6:05 PM

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they probably make more money extorting companies on license audit findings than on actual products and services DogeLaugh

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manager works pretty good, pulls the dependency chain for NOTT, disables/enables stuff as expected so pretty cool 🍻

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just lacks feedback on progress

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 6:09 PM

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well yes

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but im updating the entire ui again

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will push as soon as ive looked over all the code again

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 6:09 PM

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also I would probably model the UI so that these two buttons are the same

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 6:10 PM

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yeah that got changed completly in style both

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they are diffrent but they have the same vibe

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 6:10 PM

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but ya all the foundations are there so pretty good mate 🍻

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 6:10 PM

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just one is a bigger design

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 6:33 PM

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gonna go full ape on a new project tonight, lmk if anything comes up but I might not read chats for a while sunglase

zealous coral Jan 30, 2026, 6:43 PM

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final wren also I would probably model the UI so that these two buttons are the same

i like the ui colors/pallette it kinda reminds me of the android "material you"

autumn hamlet Jan 30, 2026, 6:45 PM

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zealous coral i like the ui colors/pallette it kinda reminds me of the android "material you"

it literally is compose multiplatform with material library that is also used on most android apps

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and you can configure it

final wren Jan 30, 2026, 6:59 PM

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i remembered I haven't had dinner yet so full ape mode is postponed DogeLaugh

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:42 AM

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ok except for installing bepinex which is like 50% done everything is done even pack exporting importing and whatever there probably are things that wnat improvement in the future but most things are done

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:44 AM

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installing + initialising bepinex would be pretty nice to do smoothly

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tbh we could just have a pre-initialised bepinex package that would likely work on all systems

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:45 AM

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do you think its a good idea to just make a precofnigured bepinex.cfg file and save that

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:45 AM

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(meaing, run the game once with a clean install of bepinex, then grab all its files)

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it will regenerate anything missing anyway

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:45 AM

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ik but i dont want it to be 2 steps

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1 button

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1 step

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oh right

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run game button

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duh

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:46 AM

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and it won't Sh*t itself if you run the game first time with a clean fresh bepinex install with pre-existing plugins and configs

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that's how I build my server image

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and Todd it Todd just Todd works

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it will just regenerate whatever's missing

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:47 AM

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what are you trying to say??

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what am i trying to say??

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:47 AM

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that we don't have to ask people to run the game once

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after the manager installs bepinex

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so it can be 1 step

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:48 AM

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well yes but uh HideManagerGameObject = true how do that

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:49 AM

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I'm pretty sure if you leave a bepinex.cfg file that only has that and nothing else, it will regenerate the rest of the standard default values while keepint that as it was

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i can try it just now, actually

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:49 AM

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as the cfg doesnt exist yet i cant edit it before launching it once my idea was to just have a preconfigured .cfg file in the manager that gets saved

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:49 AM

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final wren I'm pretty sure if you leave a bepinex.cfg file that only has that and nothing e...

pls do

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wow thats actually way smarter then my idea of just placing it there with all things in there why didnt i think about just having that field in it

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you proabbly need to define

[Chainloader]
HideManagerGameObject = true

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:50 AM

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before

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:50 AM

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well it needs to be true duh

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:50 AM

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ah ffs I didn't change it

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:50 AM

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💀

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:51 AM

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I currently have it off because i fixed my mods DogeLaugh

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:51 AM

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isnt the fix the mods turning it on themselfs

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:51 AM

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this fixes that

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but you can do it in code

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:51 AM

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what you talking about

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not sure

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:51 AM

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that you can program the mod in a way

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that it doesn't turn itself off

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lmao

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:52 AM

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epic

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maybe what if we just force everyone to do that

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:52 AM

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https://github.com/KopterBuzz/NOBlackBox/blob/main/src/Plugin/Plugin.cs#L60

GitHub

NOBlackBox/src/Plugin/Plugin.cs at main · KopterBuzz/NOBlackBox

Tacview Recorder for Nuclear Option. Contribute to KopterBuzz/NOBlackBox development by creating an account on GitHub.

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:52 AM

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instead of me trying to autocinfigure that in my manager

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:52 AM

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autumn hamlet maybe what if we just force everyone to do that

better to have fail safe

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anyway

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test 2

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https://klipy.com/gifs/todd-howard-it-just-works-1

Klipy

Todd Howard: It Just Works

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what can i say

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Todd

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is always right

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:53 AM

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well yes

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cool

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:54 AM

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when the
when the config parser parses the config Find_Out

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:54 AM

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final wren when the when the config parser parses the config <:Find_Out:1166561818009927730...

i was about to say why wouldnt the parser work if it didnt have all the fields that would have been a stupid ahh parser

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well testing doesnt hurt

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:55 AM

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I like bepinex

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it doesn't cause much drama

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and it loads my mods

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hope y'alls' mods didn't break with patch

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i think mine are working

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:57 AM

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well i have like 1 mod i barely maintain every few big updates atm

tawny oracle Jan 31, 2026, 1:57 AM

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autumn hamlet ok except for installing bepinex which is like 50% done everything is done even ...

Siick. Btw are addons all gonna be in a folder called pluginfolder/Addons exactly? So i know how to update my mods

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:58 AM

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that would be a good standard

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:59 AM

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well thats another thing they would be inside the addons folder in the structure extendedmod/addons/addon1/extractedzipname/extractedzipcontent

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so uh if thats a problem i can change it to be the content directly in the addon1 folder

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but

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idk

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same for mods

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the zip gets extracted itself into the mod folder with modid as name not its content

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if thats a problem i can change that but i believe its fine

tawny oracle Jan 31, 2026, 2:00 AM

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Addon1 and zipname folders might be redundant?

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Shouldn't be an issue tho

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 2:01 AM

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if the id is used for folder name

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it should be unique

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:02 AM

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well its not that its just imagine you have

mod.zip with id mod1

then it would look

mod1
-meta.json
-addons
-mod
--modcontent

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 2:02 AM

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and since everything is versioned

extendedmod/addons/id/extractedzipcontent

should be enough, no ?

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:02 AM

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final wren and since everything is versioned extendedmod/addons/id/extractedzipcontent s...

i should probabbly change to this right

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 2:03 AM

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only thing is we need a marker inside the folder that marks what version is installed

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but ya we could just put a meta json in there

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when the install happens

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:03 AM

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well i already did so get f

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jk

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 2:04 AM

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https://klipy.com/gifs/perfection-michael-fassbender-1

Klipy

Michael Fassbender: Perfection

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autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:04 AM

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well the meta.json contains modid the artifact object of the version and i believe a cached version of the extension for future offline modpage lookup

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by i believe i mean i know i made it after all lol

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 2:05 AM

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it might make sense to leave a separate meta json inside addons/id/

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for the particular addon

tawny oracle Jan 31, 2026, 2:06 AM

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or do like unity editor, id.meta

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:06 AM

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well addons are handled just like mods just that if they are enabled they get moved in the addon folder so they too have meta.jsons

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i believe with the current structure addons could even have addons themselfs

tawny oracle Jan 31, 2026, 2:06 AM

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probably cleaner to have the meta inside the addon folder tbh

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:06 AM

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what

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no no its fine

tawny oracle Jan 31, 2026, 2:07 AM

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(ignore me again)

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 2:07 AM

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for offline lookup I would just save the entire manifest
that's why i have a version.json in here:
https://github.com/KopterBuzz/NOModManifestTesting/tree/main/manifest
get the version.json first,
the manifest exists locally and the version hasn't changed, use the local copy of manifest.json, otherwise download the remote one

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but it might make sense to leave metadata inside the mod and addon directories

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to record what version they are etc

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that way

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even if people can't figure out how to package and version things correctly on their release pages

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:08 AM

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final wren for offline lookup I would just save the entire manifest that's why i have a ver...

yeah i will probably make it one big cached file of the manifest

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not now

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 2:08 AM

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we could do something to keep it working

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:09 AM

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btw uhh mod exporting importing its just a lot of refrences with ids and versions it will first look locally to enable them if not found search and try to download and then enables them and disables all other mods

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 2:09 AM

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final wren but it might make sense to leave metadata inside the mod and addon directories

also this way we have at least one stable fingerprint that should tell if the install was managed or not

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:10 AM

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final wren but it might make sense to leave metadata inside the mod and addon directories

i dont think you understoof addons are just mods they too have meta.jsons they are handled the exact same way

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 2:10 AM

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cool

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:11 AM

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and when disabled they just get moved into the disabledPlugins folder with no structure

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 2:11 AM

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I'll get myself to bed before I start understanding even less DogeLaugh

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:11 AM

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what i mean by that in the disabledPluginsfolder they are independent from any mods addons folder

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i shall not go to bed till ive completed some more things and made a release for some people to be able to test

tawny oracle Jan 31, 2026, 2:13 AM

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i will continue to fix yappinator and then add features until its broken again

mild verge Jan 31, 2026, 2:18 AM

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https://github.com/JUSTJ7780/Weapon-utility-mod/releases/tag/flaremanager is this ok for mod manager?

GitHub

Release Flare Manager · JUSTJ7780/Weapon-utility-mod

Flare Manager allows you to up the amount of flares on any aircraft ( up to 10k ) it also allows you to change how many flares are fired every time for example by default 2 flares fire ever 0.2 sec...

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 2:20 AM

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it will work but its better if you tag the releases with a version number ideally

mild verge Jan 31, 2026, 2:29 AM

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final wren it will work but its better if you tag the releases with a version number ideall...

got it

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:35 AM

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if anyone wants to try the mod manager and give feedback that be cool
https://github.com/Combat787/NuclearOptionModManager/releases/tag/1.0
if you are on linux or macos you need to build it yourself though only provided window .msi and .exe

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:50 AM

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jaunty surge Jan 31, 2026, 3:51 AM

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autumn hamlet

Can you please make it portable? I hate installing software.....

jaunty surge Jan 31, 2026, 4:09 AM

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@final wren

  {
    "id": "NOLiveryPlus",
    "displayName": "Livery Plus",
    "description": "A BepInEx mod and unity editor tool combo for making Nuclear option Liveries with full control over the material.",
    "tags": [
      "mod",
      "QoL"
    ],
    "infoUrl": "https://github.com/nikkorap/NOLiveryPlus",
    "authors": [
      "nikkorap"
    ],
    "artifacts": [
      {
        "fileName": "LiveryPlusBepInEx.zip",
        "version": "1.2.0",
        "category": "release",
        "type": "plugin",
        "gameVersion": "0.32",
        "downloadUrl": "https://github.com/nikkorap/NOLiveryPlus/releases/download/BepinexMod/LiveryPlusBepInEx.zip",
        "hash": "sha256:8fc8c1676aeb314adcdaa2b4c1eb2c4245bbfc030de0e046f00afd7b23921940"
      }
    ]
  },

To:

  {
    "id": "NOLiveryPlus",
    "displayName": "Livery Plus",
    "description": "A BepInEx mod and unity editor tool combo for making Nuclear option Liveries with full control over the material.",
    "tags": [
      "mod",
      "QoL"
    ],
    "infoUrl": "https://github.com/nikkorap/NOLiveryPlus",
    "authors": [
      "nikkorap"
    ],
    "artifacts": [
      {
        "fileName": "LiveryPlusBepInEx.zip",
        "version": "1.2.0",
        "category": "release",
        "type": "plugin",
        "gameVersion": "0.32",
        "downloadUrl": "https://github.com/nikkorap/NOLiveryPlus/releases/download/BepinexMod/LiveryPlusBepInEx.zip",
        "hash": "sha256:8ec3f19aeeda9e622dbf115e36067a337c99e091019bf0649aeb0f3c705c9acd"
      }
    ]
  },

TLDR; hash is incorrect.

jaunty surge Jan 31, 2026, 5:55 AM

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New version for anyone who is interested.

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https://github.com/NaghDiefallah/Yellowcake/releases

GitHub

Releases · NaghDiefallah/Yellowcake

Contribute to NaghDiefallah/Yellowcake development by creating an account on GitHub.

fair turret Jan 31, 2026, 6:21 AM

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Added Bep5 support

jaunty surge Jan 31, 2026, 8:03 AM

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fair turret Added Bep5 support

Where

fair turret Jan 31, 2026, 8:48 AM

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https://github.com/TYKUHN2/AtomicFramework/tree/ModManager

GitHub

GitHub - TYKUHN2/AtomicFramework at ModManager

Modding framework and utilities for NuclearOption. Contribute to TYKUHN2/AtomicFramework development by creating an account on GitHub.

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Originally focused on Bep6 which is what I had installed while I designed it

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 8:51 AM

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jaunty surge <@96302349730996224> ```json { "id": "NOLiveryPlus", "displayName": "...

thanks, though ignore hash checks for now, its also incorrect for all the voice packs

jaunty surge Jan 31, 2026, 8:51 AM

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final wren thanks, though ignore hash checks for now, its also incorrect for all the voice ...

I've skipped it for voice packs.
It's only for plugins mostly.

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 8:59 AM

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jaunty surge I've skipped it for voice packs. It's only for plugins mostly.

I'll fix the liveryplus hash after ☕
nikko is working on new release structure for yappinator so currently available voice packs will have viability for hash checks too, soon

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 11:21 AM

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jaunty surge <@96302349730996224> ```json { "id": "NOLiveryPlus", "displayName": "...

should be fixed, static page is redeploying now

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thank you for the report VeryGood

candid aspen Jan 31, 2026, 11:49 AM

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final wren hope y'alls' mods didn't break with patch

I think mine are okay ? Can't check before tomorrow, I'm away for the weekend

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 11:58 AM

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jaunty surge Can you please make it portable? I hate installing software.....

uh it is? i provided a exe except you mean it isnt portable cause it saves 1 small config file

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 12:32 PM

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added bepinex configuration manager to the mod list

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so it can be added as dependency for other mods

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added it to noblackbox and nott

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 12:32 PM

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add rue

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 12:32 PM

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what's rue

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 12:32 PM

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runtime unity editor

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 12:33 PM

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oooo

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good shout mate I didn't know this existed

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i might have some good use for this today actually 🍻

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gonna go for a walk now then will add it when I'm back

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 12:34 PM

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🔥

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we need to start advertising this to other modders

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:27 PM

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what icon can i use for the manager?

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any ideas?

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:30 PM

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I have 0 creativity for visual arts

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like actually terrible

tawny oracle Jan 31, 2026, 1:33 PM

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autumn hamlet any ideas?

🥦

candid aspen Jan 31, 2026, 1:33 PM

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tawny oracle 🥦

Hahaha, love it

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Some sort of wireframe nuclear cloud

tawny oracle Jan 31, 2026, 1:34 PM

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or

NO
MM

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:34 PM

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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thats actually a good idea

tawny oracle Jan 31, 2026, 1:34 PM

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totally original idea

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 1:34 PM

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bruh

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 1:39 PM

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RUE added

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 2:45 PM

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autumn hamlet what icon can i use for the manager?

one sec

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I randomly had an idea

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very generic kinda

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but still

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autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:51 PM

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sure looks better then mine lol

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:52 PM

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pliant pine

i like it but the coloring is a bit simple but if you are gonna improve them a bit more id be happy to use them you just need to send it to me as a 256x256 png that should be fine

fair turret Jan 31, 2026, 2:53 PM

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Yellow might pop a bit and still fit with the nuclear theme

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 2:55 PM

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@pliant pine the manager doesnt really have one theme color as you can change it so dont base the color on the images of the manager i send before

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 3:25 PM

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@autumn hamlet

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 3:27 PM

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pliant pine <@963840477625475072>

cool thanks will credit you in the readme

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 3:39 PM

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pliant pine <@963840477625475072>

it currently looks a bit weird when its small in the taskbar can you maybe like make the detail bigger and the spaces between the things bigger else they visually merge when to small

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pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 3:42 PM

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ooohhh

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I see what you mean

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 4:06 PM

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autumn hamlet

how about this

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 4:08 PM

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a bit better

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but not good yet tbh

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 4:08 PM

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borders are too thin, I think

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kay

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 4:13 PM

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autumn hamlet a bit better

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 4:22 PM

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autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 4:46 PM

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@pliant pine can you remove the outline and reduce the teeth count on the gear to like 8 and make the space between the gear and the outer things bigger

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 4:46 PM

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autumn hamlet <@507928035215802388> can you remove the outline and reduce the teeth count on t...

sure

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oh, check dms btw

candid aspen Jan 31, 2026, 4:55 PM

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pliant pine

It looks really good !!!

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 5:10 PM

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candid aspen It looks really good !!!

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 5:17 PM

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this is using the 32x32 image looks good

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thanks

mild verge Jan 31, 2026, 5:19 PM

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autumn hamlet this is using the 32x32 image looks good

looks really good

tawny oracle Jan 31, 2026, 6:04 PM

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what about somthing like this?

mild verge Jan 31, 2026, 6:05 PM

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tawny oracle what about somthing like this?

could we have multiple options like he colours?

tawny oracle Jan 31, 2026, 6:07 PM

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It's more the idea of the MM (ModManager) letters, i made the mockup in paint lol

junior geode Jan 31, 2026, 7:23 PM

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tawny oracle what about somthing like this?

I personally prefer it without the letters tbh

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 7:53 PM

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do we want/need scrollbars in a mod manager

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 7:53 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NomQYQK1bE&t=5s

YouTube

lgerzsenyi

Fight Club Can I get the icon in cornflower blue?

▶ Play video

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DogeLaugh

mild verge Jan 31, 2026, 7:58 PM

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autumn hamlet do we want/need scrollbars in a mod manager

depends on the practicallity

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 8:03 PM

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well would anyone use it without a scroll wheel?

mild verge Jan 31, 2026, 8:13 PM

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autumn hamlet well would anyone use it without a scroll wheel?

i doubt it unless laptop users?

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 8:14 PM

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autumn hamlet well would anyone use it without a scroll wheel?

i would add a scroll bar + page up/down

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 8:33 PM

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what is worth it more having a custom integrated window decoration or being able to snap the window on windows

mild verge Jan 31, 2026, 8:35 PM

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autumn hamlet what is worth it more having a custom integrated window decoration or being able...

window on windows tbf

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 8:36 PM

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i think so too window decorations are a real pain

junior geode Jan 31, 2026, 9:49 PM

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autumn hamlet do we want/need scrollbars in a mod manager

You always want a scroll bar, yeah.

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 9:50 PM

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scrollbar it is

junior geode Jan 31, 2026, 9:50 PM

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It's a standard visual cue that you can scroll, and you always want to ensure you follow UX/UI standards (both for accessibility reasons, as well as compatibility with more esoteric input methods)

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Also just a nice indicator of "how large is this list"

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 9:50 PM

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so true

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 10:12 PM

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ok i hate launch options

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it somehow caches them at multiple places and its not really a guarantee it works im just gonna show a popup telling the user to put in the options themselves when on linux

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 10:15 PM

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i love doing annoying plumbing work like this so i can try to help you improve setting the launch option at some point

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but i think asking to set a launch option should be reasonable, its not too difficult to do, steam makes it fairly easy for the user

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 10:16 PM

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exactly

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"To make BepInEx work on Linux you need to add the following to the Steam Launch Options for Nuclear Option.
WINEDLLOVERRIDES="winhttp=n,b" %command%"

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this a good popup message?

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 10:19 PM

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final wren i love doing annoying plumbing work like this so i can try to help you improve s...

i think it wouldnt be to hard to just kill steam for this and then set the file but i need to look into it a bit more and im not gonna do it rn im doing more essential things first

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 10:21 PM

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autumn hamlet "To make BepInEx work on Linux you need to add the following to the Steam Launch...

i think thats good

junior geode Jan 31, 2026, 10:29 PM

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autumn hamlet ok i hate launch options

What issues are you having with it?

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 10:33 PM

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junior geode What issues are you having with it?

automating setting teams launch options for the game

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because on proton/linux bepinex needs the winhttp.dll added to its wine config

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 10:34 PM

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junior geode What issues are you having with it?

setting them correctly in the vdf but steam just rolls it back or something no clue tbh

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its fine though if you use linux you probably are competent enough to set a launch option yourself

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 10:34 PM

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soz i did my typical half context brain dump without thinking

junior geode Jan 31, 2026, 10:36 PM

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Probably just want to make it a popup, yeah

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 10:47 PM

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tags good like this or any suggestions?

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 10:48 PM

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pretty good

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 10:51 PM

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autumn hamlet tags good like this or any suggestions?

yappinator should receive additional tag imo

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especially if we will get more voice mods

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like ones replacing Jennifer warnings

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 10:52 PM

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thats all in the manifest

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can be changed any time

junior geode Jan 31, 2026, 10:57 PM

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autumn hamlet tags good like this or any suggestions?

Yeah, that looks nice

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May want to normalize tags btw, in case of multiple mods defining tags with different capitalization

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 10:58 PM

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we should but thats just limiting what tags someone can give a mod the tags are just a list of strings on each mod

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 11:01 PM

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autumn hamlet tags good like this or any suggestions?

is it possible to make some kind of filter underneath the search bar

junior geode Jan 31, 2026, 11:01 PM

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Normalizing just means make it all lowercase, strip spaces at the ends, etc...

That way, you don't run into the problem that mod A with tag "QoL" has a different tag from mod B with tag "qol".

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 11:01 PM

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with buttons

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basically "QoL" button will show only QoL tags and etc

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 11:01 PM

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junior geode Normalizing just means make it all lowercase, strip spaces at the ends, etc... ...

i thought you meant more like standardizing but yeah same thing

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 11:01 PM

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here

junior geode Jan 31, 2026, 11:02 PM

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Semantics are important in programming :P

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Ideally, it'd have some kind of smart search/multi-filter tbh.

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 11:02 PM

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pliant pine is it possible to make some kind of filter underneath the search bar

it definitely is the thing is am i willing enough to do that rn

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yeah i was already planning integrating it into the search

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anyone want to test?

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 11:18 PM

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autumn hamlet anyone want to test?

would be cool

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I am up

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 11:19 PM

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one sec will send link soon

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https://github.com/Combat787/NuclearOptionModManager

GitHub

GitHub - Combat787/NuclearOptionModManager: A Mod Manager for the G...

A Mod Manager for the Game Nuclear Option. Contribute to Combat787/NuclearOptionModManager development by creating an account on GitHub.

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@pliant pine

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cancel the release i havent yet added scrollbars

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🐴

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@final wren should i already make a dedicated mod manager thread in the mod forum or should we wait till the manifest is a bit more complete

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 11:27 PM

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if you think its mature enough i have no issue with it

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 11:31 PM

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i will do it tomorrow (today) and we need to get more mods into the manifest asap

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 11:31 PM

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works fine btw

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tested modpacks

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 11:31 PM

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ok

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 11:31 PM

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tested themes

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 11:31 PM

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and

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im guessing they worked?

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 11:31 PM

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of course

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I am just listing stuff that works basically

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 11:31 PM

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i figured

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 11:32 PM

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though simple "everything works" would be sufficient

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 11:33 PM

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if you want you can uninstall bepinex and try the bepinex installer i just remmebered i havent yet added the loading to bepinex install button but it still installs probably

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havent tested that once yet tbh

pliant pine Jan 31, 2026, 11:38 PM

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autumn hamlet havent tested that once yet tbh

it works

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 11:39 PM

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epic

viral lion Jan 31, 2026, 11:41 PM

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very nice!

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hadn't seen this yet

final wren Jan 31, 2026, 11:50 PM

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Todd it Todd just Todd works Todd

mild verge Jan 31, 2026, 11:50 PM

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@autumn hamlet cookin crazy

autumn hamlet Jan 31, 2026, 11:52 PM

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ok 2 more things i believe are missing scrollbars and bepinex install button status as well as safety for not being able to click it multiple times

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actually i will do those real quick

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and then i think

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i can basically release it for real

autumn hamlet Feb 1, 2026, 1:37 AM

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just got done with all those changes

autumn hamlet Feb 1, 2026, 2:11 AM

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https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1467341462227124305

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put it on the mod forum

jaunty surge Feb 1, 2026, 2:13 AM

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autumn hamlet https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1467341462227124305

I'll give it a try and send you my feedback if any.

autumn hamlet Feb 1, 2026, 2:13 AM

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jaunty surge I'll give it a try and send you my feedback if any.

very epic

jaunty surge Feb 1, 2026, 2:19 AM

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autumn hamlet very epic

Is this normal?

autumn hamlet Feb 1, 2026, 2:20 AM

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im not sure about the empty one

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how does your plugins folder look like

jaunty surge Feb 1, 2026, 2:20 AM

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autumn hamlet how does your plugins folder look like

I have already installed mods, it just doesn't like them very much.

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autumn hamlet Feb 1, 2026, 2:21 AM

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hmmm

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idk

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not sure

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try disabling the empty one and look in the disabledPlugins folder next to the plugins folder

autumn hamlet Feb 1, 2026, 2:22 AM

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jaunty surge I have already installed mods, it just doesn't like them very much.

most of them got detected no?

jaunty surge Feb 1, 2026, 2:23 AM

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autumn hamlet most of them got detected no?

Yes, just the Json being messed up is the issue, thanks to our lazy dev ofc.

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I liked that it detected the empty one, it has been bugging my game for 2 weeks now.

autumn hamlet Feb 1, 2026, 2:24 AM

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lol

jaunty surge Feb 1, 2026, 2:24 AM

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I can finally nuke some people.

final wren Feb 1, 2026, 8:29 AM

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jaunty surge Yes, just the Json being messed up is the issue, thanks to our lazy dev ofc.

do u mean the json manifest? any error pls throw them at me with extreme prejudice

jaunty surge Feb 1, 2026, 8:30 AM

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final wren do u mean the json manifest? any error pls throw them at me with extreme prejudi...

It just doesn't have all the mods, neither does it have the ones I have installed lmao, that's why.
I have resorted to more extreme measures.

final wren Feb 1, 2026, 8:36 AM

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i have to get some IRL shit done today and then continue working on release scraping

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Same as Nikko, if you discover the secret to how to extend a single days duration to 90 hours, i am interested DogeLaugh

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and for the time being y'all are welcome to add more items via PR
https://github.com/KopterBuzz/NOModManifestTesting/blob/main/SCHEMA.md
https://github.com/KopterBuzz/NOModManifestTesting/blob/main/SCHEMA.md#how-to-contribute-mod-manifests

jaunty surge Feb 1, 2026, 9:41 AM

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Mine: https://gist.github.com/NaghDiefallah/82544b5e011d78924b0ff7678e4180aa/raw/NOModsPrimary
Yours but with my touch: https://gist.github.com/NaghDiefallah/82544b5e011d78924b0ff7678e4180aa/raw/NOModsSecondary
Mine but with your touch: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/NaghDiefallah/82544b5e011d78924b0ff7678e4180aa/raw/NOModsTesting
Yours: https://kopterbuzz.github.io/NOModManifestTesting/manifest/manifest.json

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@final wren

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public Dictionary<string, string> ManifestSources { get; } = new()
{
    { "Primary Source", "https://gist.githubusercontent.com/NaghDiefallah/82544b5e011d78924b0ff7678e4180aa/raw/NOModsPrimary" },
    { "Secondary Source", "https://gist.githubusercontent.com/NaghDiefallah/82544b5e011d78924b0ff7678e4180aa/raw/NOModsSecondary" },
    { "Development Source (UNSTABLE)", "https://gist.githubusercontent.com/NaghDiefallah/82544b5e011d78924b0ff7678e4180aa/raw/NOModsTesting" },
    { "Community Source", "https://kopterbuzz.github.io/NOModManifestTesting/manifest/manifest.json" }
};

final wren Feb 1, 2026, 9:45 AM

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I hate to say this
but thats not a pull request

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otherwise, if this is about implementing multiple manifest sources, that's handy

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is there rate limit consideration for gists ?

jaunty surge Feb 1, 2026, 9:47 AM

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final wren otherwise, if this is about implementing multiple manifest sources, that's handy

Yeah, it's not about PR lmao 😂
It's just my app using different sources in case 1 breaks.

final wren Feb 1, 2026, 9:47 AM

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yaya sorry

jaunty surge Feb 1, 2026, 9:47 AM

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final wren is there rate limit consideration for gists ?

Nope, haven't hit it for more than a week now.

final wren Feb 1, 2026, 9:47 AM

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nice

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i guess we will see if it scales

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its up to the front-end to implement source handling tbh but thats a good pattern

jaunty surge Feb 1, 2026, 9:48 AM

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final wren its up to the front-end to implement source handling tbh but thats a good patter...

Yeah I have it handle all these sources at the moment, yours is working perfectly, mine is broken af.

final wren Feb 1, 2026, 9:48 AM

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I'm gonna work a bit on auto-updating and auto-publishing master manifest

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but i need to get some paperwork done

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applying for masters and its opening today

jaunty surge Feb 1, 2026, 9:49 AM

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final wren applying for masters and its opening today

Damn, good luck with that.

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Don't worry about auto-updating it's simple.

gleaming flume Feb 1, 2026, 10:19 AM

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https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1458040174578634763

nova spear Feb 1, 2026, 11:11 PM

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When will we be able to use the mod manager? 👀

autumn hamlet Feb 1, 2026, 11:14 PM

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nova spear When will we be able to use the mod manager? 👀

now https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1467341462227124305 the manifest just doesnt have a lot of mods yet

nova spear Feb 1, 2026, 11:17 PM

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will the mod manager update mods that are on the manifest if if they were manually installed?

autumn hamlet Feb 1, 2026, 11:18 PM

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maybe? but just uninstall it and install it from the manifest again

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 7:36 PM

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i need to finish the manifest automation 😭

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 7:36 PM

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yes you do

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 7:37 PM

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there will be some progress

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tonight or tomorrow

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 8:30 PM

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why do i pay for this 😭

mild verge Feb 2, 2026, 8:40 PM

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final wren why do i pay for this 😭

real

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 8:40 PM

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its working now

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 8:40 PM

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so what exactly do you want to do for manifest automation

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 8:41 PM

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I will extend the schema with non-required properties for github repo owner and repo name
then parse the 3 latest release and generate artifacts for them in the meta manifest, for any mods where those properties are available

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 8:42 PM

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why not check which of the releases doesnt haave a artifact yet and and those to the artifacts

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 8:43 PM

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i guess that wasn't obvious but that would also be covered

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 8:44 PM

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im sure you know what your doing

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 8:44 PM

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the only problem I foresee is when people put multiple release packages into one release and there is no obvious way to tell which one is the actual mod artifact...

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 8:45 PM

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we just dont allow that :)

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one repo = one mod

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 8:45 PM

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autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 8:45 PM

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or you need to predefine what the name of the mod file is

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wait a minute

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is that why you wanted to add that

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 8:46 PM

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that was before the previous brainwave

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since then I realised that I can do loads of github api calls

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but yeah ideally people will be nice and keep their addonpacks in separate releases, so our job will be easier

pliant pine Feb 2, 2026, 8:48 PM

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question, how hard it would be to make images/previews for mods in NOMM?

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 8:48 PM

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how would you know what release is what mod

pliant pine Feb 2, 2026, 8:48 PM

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it seems like a good next move

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 8:48 PM

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they would have to be stored somewhere

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I don't want us to make a system with running costs that goes beyond the 5 quid I pay monthly for github premium

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 8:48 PM

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final wren they would have to be stored somewhere

this

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ideally we have a system anyone could continue after us through forking it

mild verge Feb 2, 2026, 8:49 PM

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pliant pine it seems like a good next move

i believe you can post images to the github and maybe the mod manager would show that plus description?

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 8:50 PM

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well api calls

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we cant do a lot of them

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 8:50 PM

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mild verge i believe you can post images to the github and maybe the mod manager would show...

anonymous direct access to repos is rate limited to 60 per hour what do you think will happen when more people start to use the manager

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maybe we can do it with free cloudflare but that needs to be explored and confirmed

mild verge Feb 2, 2026, 8:51 PM

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final wren anonymous direct access to repos is rate limited to 60 per hour what do you thin...

honestly i have no idea in this field i just remember icarus mod manager having the feature lol

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 8:51 PM

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well 60 per person per hour but same thing if we have 60 mods that hit the limit and that doesnt take into account reloading

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 8:52 PM

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i guess you could cache images locally but the rate limit still stands

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 8:52 PM

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that would need to be done but we would need to then get some sort of hash for the image in the manifest and so on

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and still 60 images per hour so in the first hour you can only see the first 60 images

mild verge Feb 2, 2026, 8:53 PM

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i cant remember how icarus mm did it but youd "populate it"? it would essentially freeze for a second and download the images / descriptions

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 8:54 PM

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maybe we could gather a icon from every repo when doing the manifest automation and then store it in a single zip on the manifest repo

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 8:56 PM

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I also don't want to make it too difficult for modders, but ya maybe we could ask them to put small image in the repo with a specific name, and we could every now and then scrape repos we don't have an image from yet and maintain an icon pack release that can be downloaded by the front-end app

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IMO I have a lot of other more important things to finish before I want to think about this more deeply but I think that is a viable method that's not too difficult

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 10:20 PM

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need some collective 🧠
how would you keep dependency chains safe with automated artifact updates

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 10:26 PM

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I'm out of the loop

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Quick TL;DR?

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 10:26 PM

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final wren I also don't want to make it too difficult for modders, but ya maybe we could as...

Just an optional icon.png, or a relative path in the manifest

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 10:27 PM

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junior geode Quick TL;DR?

I'm writing a workflow to pull releases automatically via github api for the mods where its viable, and automatically update the manifest artifacts for those

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not all releases, n, n-1, n-2 would be enough i think

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 10:29 PM

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final wren I'm writing a workflow to pull releases automatically via github api for the mod...

Wait, what exactly?

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Why would you do that?

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 10:31 PM

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final wren Feb 2, 2026, 10:31 PM

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junior geode Why would you do that?

what are your concerns

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 10:32 PM

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It seems like an overcomplication at best, and a way to accidentally get stale data in the manifest at worst.

Why do anything more than just:

keep a list of repo URLs
have the client iterate over those to read (and potentially cache clientside) their manifests?

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 10:32 PM

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the client won't be doing this

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the manifests are stored at a central location and published on a static page

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 10:33 PM

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Wait, what?

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 10:33 PM

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there will be an entire chain of guardrails to stop crap from getting into it

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I'm basically writing a back-end using github actions 😄

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 10:33 PM

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I was under the impression each mod could just have a manifest in their repo, and a mod manager could read those

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 10:33 PM

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the client should be caching the manifest locally

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but it has to come from somewhere

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 10:34 PM

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junior geode I was under the impression each mod could just have a manifest in their repo, an...

yeah and that way we have 1000 people making 100000 typos in their json

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I don't want that

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 10:34 PM

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final wren but it has to come from somewhere

Yeah:

Mod manager has a masterlist of repos
Repos contain their own manifest, and hence are in control of their releases

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 10:34 PM

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final wren yeah and that way we have 1000 people making 100000 typos in their json

That's their problem / you filter those out

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Not a fan at all of a cached manifest list tbh. I want to be in control of what releases I serve / which ones I pull from rotation for whatever reason / etc...

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 10:36 PM

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junior geode That's their problem / you filter those out

(Heck, you could even make a GitHub action that opens an issue on their repo if it detects an invalid manifest, if you really wanted to)

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 10:38 PM

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I don't think we fully understand each other, but we will still be very much in control of what gets served
nothing will be allowed to be merged automatically

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 10:38 PM

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final wren I don't think we fully understand each other, but we will still be very much in ...

From what I understand, you seem to imply your repository will update its own master manifest with manifest entries of mods?

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Generated based on their releases?

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 10:39 PM

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after it gets checked and approved

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 10:39 PM

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That seems like an unnecessary step over just having a masterlist of repo urls and letting the clients fetch & cache them

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And again; chance for stale data, reliance on an approval flow & github actions, lack of control on mod authors' end if they want to change things / remove a release / etc...

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 10:43 PM

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"githubOwner" : {"type": "string"},
"githubRepoName" : {"type": "string"},
"autoUpdateArtifacts" : {"type": "boolean"},

if these are not present in the mod manifest it won't be auto-updated

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do you know what the rate limit considerations are for having the manifests in each individual repository and fetching from there?

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anonymous requests have been neutered quite a lot last year iirc

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 10:46 PM

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final wren do you know what the rate limit considerations are for having the manifests in e...

Hm, do they have docs on it? Not sure if there's a per-repo rate limit or a global one (or both)

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If you have direct links to manifests, at least you're doing relatively few calls

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 10:48 PM

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https://docs.github.com/en/rest/using-the-rest-api/rate-limits-for-the-rest-api?apiVersion=2022-11-28#primary-rate-limit-for-unauthenticated-users

GitHub Docs

Rate limits for the REST API - GitHub Docs

Learn about REST API rate limits, how to avoid exceeding them, and what to do if you do exceed them.

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so if you have more than 60 mods in the list you are cooked

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unless you can change your public ip very quickly VeryGood

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 10:50 PM

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Hm

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 10:50 PM

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the main advantage of my design is you can just serve a json blob from a static page that will have either non-existent or very robust rate limit

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so it can take a lot of users

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:00 PM

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final wren need some collective 🧠 how would you keep dependency chains safe with automate...

what you mean

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just either take the dependencies from the last artifact or require ther eto be a meta.json with dependencies in the release if they want to change it

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:01 PM

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Then you're still iterating through all of those releases though

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Unless you cache that too, I guess

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:02 PM

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(this isn't done on the client)

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:02 PM

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no im talking about the automation this would be the caching process

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:02 PM

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https://github.com/KopterBuzz/NOModManifestTesting/tree/main/modManifests
https://github.com/KopterBuzz/NOModManifestTesting/tree/main/manifest
https://github.com/KopterBuzz/NOModManifestTesting/blob/main/SCHEMA.md

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:02 PM

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we are talking about the automatic manfest generation on the repo

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:03 PM

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I keep coming back to the issue of stale data & ownership / release flow control, though. Not sure what an ideal fix is.

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:03 PM

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all the stuff we are currently discussing is in my local dev branch and not visible yet

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:03 PM

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junior geode I keep coming back to the issue of stale data & ownership / release flow control...

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elaborate

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:04 PM

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I explained it a bit higher.

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:04 PM

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well we basically need to have a central manifest there is no real way around that without hitting the api limit

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and it is a proven system its basically what ckan does

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:06 PM

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(and its already hard enough to get everyone to create a proper release package without fairytale tagnames)

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etc

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:06 PM

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TL;DR:
Not a fan of a repo caching data that might be changed / removed. Can lead to stale data, and takes away control from modders in case they need to e.g. pull a version that has issues, or want to remove specific versions for whatever reason without it still showing up in the manifest (unless a PR is made to remove it, but that relies upon the maintainer to remain active). It also adds a lot of moving parts.

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:06 PM

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autumn hamlet and it is a proven system its basically what ckan does

Doesn't CKAN pull from Spacedock?

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:06 PM

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but if the data is no longer there, it will be removed from the cache

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🧠

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:07 PM

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well no it has a master manifest that autmatically searches for new releases on github and spacedock and another platform

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:07 PM

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like if someone deletes their github and the automation can't find any releases, what do you think should obviously happen

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:08 PM

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junior geode TL;DR: Not a fan of a repo caching data that might be changed / removed. Can lea...

we can add that during the automatic manifest generation when we cache releases we can check if any releases disappeared and remove those

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:08 PM

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final wren but if the data is no longer there, it will be removed from the cache

Are you handling all edge cases?

Version removal
Version re-release with different manifest data
Changing old release manifest info in a new version
etc...?

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:08 PM

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not currently as everything is still in development but I am capable

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:08 PM

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what you mean changing old release manifests info into a new version?

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:08 PM

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like I said

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if I started by thinking and keep thinking until I thought of everything

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:09 PM

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final wren not currently as everything is still in development but I am capable

bro is capable indeed

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:09 PM

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I will be thinking until someone has to put me in a coffin

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and nothing will happen

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i think we had a similar discussion previously

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:09 PM

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junior geode Are you handling all edge cases? - Version removal - Version re-release with dif...

if you have any better suggestions you are welcome to give them

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my first idea also was diffrent from what we are doing now

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:10 PM

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but I do appreciate any tips and guidance

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its a community project for the community

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after all 🍻

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:11 PM

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junior geode Are you handling all edge cases? - Version removal - Version re-release with dif...

rereleases with diffrent manifest data ?

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if you mean diffrent dependencies thats just bad practice imo

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:12 PM

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if someone flags that they moved from core.xy dependency to core.yz dependency that's gotta be handled somehow

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what the best way for that is, idk, but it will take 2 minutes to open a PR by someone to change it

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:12 PM

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sure but by releasing a new version

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:13 PM

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or to let someone know that it has changed

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:13 PM

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true but we want most to be automated maybe we should just recavhe every release every time if that is possible

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:13 PM

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that's also something we can probably make an issue template for or something

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and tie an action to it that takes care of it

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:14 PM

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Yeah, I'm reading into how CKAN handles it a bit more. I feel a bit iffy about it, but I do understand the API rate limit challenge, and if we intend on sticking with GitHub releases this might be the only realistic way.

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Apologies if I came across strongly.

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:14 PM

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junior geode Yeah, I'm reading into how CKAN handles it a bit more. I feel a bit iffy about i...

why though

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:14 PM

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junior geode Apologies if I came across strongly.

no worries at all, I appreciate being challenged because it DOES stop me from doing stupid shit every now and then

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:14 PM

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junior geode Apologies if I came across strongly.

all good you should always say if you think something is wrong we do the same

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:15 PM

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final wren no worries at all, I appreciate being challenged because it DOES stop me from do...

extend != dependencies

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:16 PM

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autumn hamlet why though

Again, above reasons. It doesn't feel clean / has a lot of edge cases to take into account. A mod distribution platform with strong mod author ownership/control and an API is better in practically every way imo; performance, artifact scanning, author control, presentation, etc... But it's not the standard in the community. Taking into account rate limit issues, this approach might be the most realistic.

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:17 PM

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the main reason I would like to stick with github releases is because it allows the entire system to basically run for free

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because there are no storage costs

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etc

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:18 PM

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I mean, if we opted for something like Thunderstore / another platform with an API, it would solve a lot of issues. I've used GitHub Actions to automate my releases to Thunderstore with great success in the past, for example.

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:18 PM

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and it means it doesnt depend on us

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we might as well use thunderstore then lol

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:18 PM

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But if we stick with GitHub, then I can agree this automated manifest seems like the best approach.

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:18 PM

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how would we do voice packs and other type of addons

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with thunderstore

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for example

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:19 PM

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final wren how would we do voice packs and other type of addons

Thunderstore has tags iirc

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:19 PM

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yeah but
installation

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:19 PM

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yeah the wholenreason for us doing it like we are is so we can have more no specific features

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:19 PM

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not everything can work just by vomiting it into the plugins folder

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:20 PM

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I'd have to ask a friend who's better versed, but I think you can ask them to define installation methods for different types of packages iirc.

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:20 PM

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junior geode I'd have to ask a friend who's better versed, but I think you can ask them to de...

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junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:20 PM

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At least they were pretty approachable back when I last needed something

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:20 PM

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autumn hamlet ?

Like, custom directories / unpacking for specific types of mods

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:20 PM

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maybe

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:21 PM

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I haven't installed voice packs yet though

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But in the interest of not killing your work, and not shaking up the community. Perhaps we should just stick with the current concept.

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I'd feel kinda bad if we moved to Thunderstore after y'all made managers & manifest automations

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:22 PM

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junior geode But in the interest of not killing your work, and not shaking up the community. ...

well what community would be shaken up by killing this

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:22 PM

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autumn hamlet well what community would be shaken up by killing this

I mean the modding community

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:22 PM

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well no one uses this really yet

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:22 PM

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Like, changing their release flow / making them get used to something new if the current system would work fine

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It's cool stuff y'all made

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:23 PM

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im honeatly ok with anything thats better than nexusmods 😭

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:23 PM

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obviously im all for for keeping this in use but if something else would prove better for the community i would be willing to sacrofice this

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:24 PM

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final wren im honeatly ok with anything thats better than nexusmods 😭

not that complicated

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:24 PM

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also mods for servers

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:26 PM

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The client peeps recommend for Thunderstore is R2ModMan. Though we could build our own client / repurpose the existing ones.

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:26 PM

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junior geode Again, above reasons. It doesn't feel clean / has a lot of edge cases to take in...

what edge cases and how would performance be affected by this compared to something else

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:26 PM

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autumn hamlet what edge cases and how would performance be affected by this compared to someth...

The stuff I mentioned earlier about manifest changes / peeps pulling mods / it needing to be kept up-to-date with that / etc...

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Just any abnormal editing of one's releases or manifests that the flow wouldn't pick up

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It adds a buffer between the actual truth, and the source of information, and the consumer of the information

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And that feels iffy to me from a software engineering pov

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(Hence why I was more in favor of directly referring to a repo's manifest file URL in a masterlist - no way to have incorrect information. But obviously rate limit issues there)

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But if the automated system is designed properly. It might not be an issue

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:29 PM

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i mean, imo most of these could be said about any package management system, they act as a buffer

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:29 PM

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junior geode (Hence why I was more in favor of directly referring to a repo's manifest file U...

the whole reason for the master list is to not require the client to do hundredss of requests the content of it would ideally still be controled by the modders just updated periodically

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:30 PM

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from my pov there is no difference between an out of date manifest and someone forgetting to push a release to thunderstore

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:30 PM

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final wren i mean, imo most of these could be said about any package management system, the...

Generally those have cached releases though, afaik. So they become a source of truth.

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Rather than proxying a state of the truth that might not be truthful

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:31 PM

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final wren from my pov there is no difference between an out of date manifest and someone f...

If I change my release on the Thunderstore, that'd be equal to me changing my manifest, since they're the source of truth.

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The release on Thunderstore is the actual release, not a proxy to elsewhere

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:32 PM

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you are required to upload the release to thunderstore, so it would be cached and remain accessible there, and since our system relies on github releases, imo its the same. or will thunderstore not let you delete your data if you no longer want it there?

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:32 PM

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that is true but realisticly what would that affect the user

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:33 PM

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well not exactly the same because you can go in and edit a github release and mess things up

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:34 PM

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final wren you are required to upload the release to thunderstore, so it would be cached an...

What I mean is that you cache information, but not a full release. So if you e.g. cache that release A has no incompatibilities, but I later update the manifest to reflect that A has incompatibility B (without drafting a new release), you wouldn't have that information unless you're listening to every single repo update somehow.

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Whereas if I edit it on e.g. Thunderstore, that's both the release and source of information as a single entity

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(Same as querying the manifest on the repo itself, rather than a cached version)

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:35 PM

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that could be solved by recaching old releases in the automation which i believe would be fine

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:35 PM

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autumn hamlet that could be solved by recaching old releases in the automation which i believe...

If it can recache things on any repo update, that would probably solve those edge cases

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:36 PM

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that's why this exists

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:36 PM

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Might be a potentially large amount of recaches though

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:36 PM

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update to the master manifest will change the version

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the client should first check if the version changed

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and refresh the locally cached manifest

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:36 PM

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junior geode Might be a potentially large amount of recaches though

while true that would be done in the automation so not a client problem

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:37 PM

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final wren and refresh the locally cached manifest

Does the manifest repo automation re-read my manifest on any push to my master branch?

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Or only when I make a new release?

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:38 PM

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the automation will run on a schedule, not every time something changed

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:38 PM

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final wren the client should first check if the version changed

the client always just regets the manifests its not really limited by any api limits

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:38 PM

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authenticated github api is still rate limited

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it just has a much higher limit

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:38 PM

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final wren authenticated github api is still rate limited

5k right?

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:38 PM

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autumn hamlet 5k right?

yes

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https://github.com/KopterBuzz/NOModManifestTesting/blob/main/SCHEMA.md#how-to-contribute-mod-manifests

you can also commit manifest changes

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:39 PM

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final wren the automation will run on a schedule, not every time something changed

And on that schedule you're re-checking all know repos & recalculating the manifest (if it is different)?

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:39 PM

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well we could inteligwntly do the automations partially each time and just get as much as possible for the first hour and so on

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:39 PM

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junior geode And on that schedule you're re-checking all know repos & recalculating the manif...

yes

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:40 PM

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I guess you'd be fine then. Trying to think of other edge cases.

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:40 PM

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and if it all for some reason scales to such a magnitude that this would exhaust the rate limit, we can store the state and continue later

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:40 PM

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Could just put it on an hourly schedule tbh

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:40 PM

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ye

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:41 PM

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final wren and if it all for some reason scales to such a magnitude that this would exhaust...

how many api request do we expect per mod

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:41 PM

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Limit to e.g. 4.5k per hour, store state each time.

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:41 PM

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I'm a microsoft graph api veteran and I have some skills sunglase

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:41 PM

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That way you already build a continuation system into it

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And refresh relatively often

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Hm, if you refresh all repo's on an e.g. hourly basis, it might be fine yeah.

May want to think of an easy way to opt-out / remove yourself from the list.

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:44 PM

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another pr

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:44 PM

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i might spin some of the automation off into a containerised service later, probably won't take too much compute and I do have a big server with some idle cores...

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:44 PM

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But yeah, if you refresh often enough, that does temper my worries about stale states. Especially if you just do a full "rebuild" rather than only look at e.g. new releases.

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:44 PM

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final wren i might spin some of the automation off into a containerised service later, prob...

yes but we should setup a github automation for just having it

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so it could run itself

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:45 PM

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for now I want to keep it all as action workflows

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:45 PM

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Makes sense

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Free and integrated. And can be forked if ever necessary.

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:46 PM

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final wren i might spin some of the automation off into a containerised service later, prob...

and even if i did this, I would publish the image & resources used for it in case I have to hand it off for someone else to run

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:46 PM

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@junior geode did you already see the mod manager client i made you can give feedback on that too if you like :)

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:46 PM

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autumn hamlet <@190896869566709760> did you already see the mod manager client i made you can ...

I've been busy with a job change (started today at the new employer), whilst juggling a major Nuclei rework 🙃

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Haven't even had time to fly and drop nukes all weekend

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:47 PM

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junior geode I've been busy with a job change (started today at the new employer), whilst jug...

all good

final wren Feb 2, 2026, 11:47 PM

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junior geode I've been busy with a job change (started today at the new employer), whilst jug...

congrats mate

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:47 PM

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Thanks! Very happy about the change. The new team is pretty awesome too.

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:48 PM

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autumn hamlet <@190896869566709760> did you already see the mod manager client i made you can ...

Defo remind me though. I'll have to poke around and maybe refer to some UX guidelines I have saved somewhere. Got a friend who works in frontend, too; could ask him for feedback.

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:48 PM

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junior geode Defo remind me though. I'll have to poke around and maybe refer to some UX guide...

its the first real anything ui i made

junior geode Feb 2, 2026, 11:49 PM

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Great learning experience

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And UI is hard. We can hide crappy / inefficient code in the back, but any UI imperfections are immediately apparent once encountered.

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I definitely respect good UI devs tbh.

autumn hamlet Feb 2, 2026, 11:53 PM

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its keept very simple imo

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 12:02 AM

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I'm not going to be derailed
I'm not going to be derailed
I'm not going to be derailed

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TIL GitHub API doesn't provide the hash of the release assets 😭

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i guess now I understand why packer plugins' release structure for example, mandates uploading hashes as separate release assets 😭

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@jaunty surge @autumn hamlet we may have to abandon the hash checks until further notice because of the abovbe DespairGe

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 12:17 AM

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final wren <@362637146110033933> <@963840477625475072> we may have to abandon the hash ch...

didnt implement it yet

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:)

jaunty surge Feb 3, 2026, 12:21 AM

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final wren <@362637146110033933> <@963840477625475072> we may have to abandon the hash ch...

All good, I just have it not check it if it's null in the manifest lmao.

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 12:26 AM

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jaunty surge All good, I just have it not check it if it's null in the manifest lmao.

bigbrain move

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 12:32 AM

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I don't have braincells to finish this tonight but I have a plan
the principle will work

mild verge Feb 3, 2026, 12:34 AM

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keep up the work lads 🫡

jaunty surge Feb 3, 2026, 12:36 AM

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{
    "authors": [
      "qwerty1423"
    ],
    "description": "Advanced flight control systems with a full-featured autopilot.",
    "displayName": "Autopilot Mod",
    "downloadUrl": "https://github.com/qwerty1423/no-autopilot-mod/releases/download/v4.13.11/com.qwerty1423.NOAutopilot-4.13.11.zip",
    "hash": "sha256:871080eae9abd291287228701ce517ce8423228583f9cb1e19e75775f196d096",
    "id": "no-autopilot-mod",
    "infoUrl": "https://github.com/qwerty1423/no-autopilot-mod",
    "tags": [
      "Mod",
      "QoL"
    ],
    "type": "Plugin",
    "version": "4.13.11"
  },

I'm using this for now, it currently supports all released mods for NO, 59 in total, with all the voice packs.

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Will convert it into the way your JSON works once I get enough energy.

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 12:38 AM

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jaunty surge ```json { "authors": [ "qwerty1423" ], "description": "Advance...

59 already OMG

haha we just had a conversation about how a different architecture would be challenging earlier, due to the 60 request per hour limit on anonymous github requests! 😄

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whith what I am working on right now, it will be enough to have the repo URLs and I can take it from there 😉

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but actually the rest contains important metadata that I couldn't recover from that alone so maybe its a good idea VeryGood

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 12:43 AM

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who will we allow to make the last mod

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 12:44 AM

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port patator's hud mod to bepinex

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as last mod

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totally won't break the current build of the game! VeryGood

jaunty surge Feb 3, 2026, 1:12 AM

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final wren 59 already OMG haha we just had a conversation about how a different architect...

jaunty surge Feb 3, 2026, 2:46 AM

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final wren port patator's hud mod to bepinex

Well, one of the voice packs is missing, so that's 60. 😂

jaunty surge Feb 3, 2026, 6:02 AM

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final wren whith what I am working on right now, it will be enough to have the repo URLs an...

YC already does that, it's just some mods aren't even on github let alone are a release/pre.

jaunty surge Feb 3, 2026, 8:24 AM

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@autumn hamlet I stole the drawer design from your app btw.

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 9:36 AM

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jaunty surge <@963840477625475072> I stole the drawer design from your app btw.

👍

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:14 AM

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remember the "The Absolute State of Mod Discovery: An Appeal to Modders" reddit post?

fair turret Feb 3, 2026, 10:20 AM

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I'll happily take the $75 a year donation to make that happen

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:20 AM

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?

fair turret Feb 3, 2026, 10:21 AM

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$10/yr for a .com domain, $65 for the various costs of Cloudflare Workers

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I may be underestimating but I'm also excluding everything but static file storage and service

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:22 AM

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no i mean what we already basically have it all worked out on github alone with no costs?

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 10:26 AM

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ye

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what we may still need though

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is an actual domain so we can cache the master manifest on cloudflare

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I mean I do own Kopter.buzz but I might want to use that for actual personal stuff...

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:35 AM

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final wren I mean I do own Kopter.buzz but I might want to use that for actual personal stu...

you shall be owned by the NO community from now on your property is public property from now on

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 10:35 AM

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https://klipy.com/gifs/troopers-responsible

Klipy

Soldier Says I'm Doing My Part

▶ Play video

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 10:36 AM

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fair turret $10/yr for a .com domain, $65 for the various costs of Cloudflare Workers

the way I understand, what we need for the current infrastructure is just caching of a static page, which is available on free tier Cloudflare

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it won't do it automatically, but it can be enabled

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but then again the static page rate limit of github pages is quite generous, so for the time being I do not foresee any issues

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:37 AM

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what is it

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 10:38 AM

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https://docs.github.com/en/pages/getting-started-with-github-pages/github-pages-limits#usage-limits

GitHub Docs

GitHub Pages limits - GitHub Docs

Learn about the limits and limitations of GitHub Pages.

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a lot of plain text fits in 100GB

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:38 AM

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how big is the json rn?

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the manifest

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 10:39 AM

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12.9KB

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8 million downloads per month

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also its not a hard limit

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its a soft limit

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 2:43 PM

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btw just an anecdote about package managers and stale data/discrepancy between source of truth & actual truth

the powerbi desktop app is always out of date in the main winget repository because MS can't get their sh*t together
and because of how powerbi works, if you have a slightly out of date desktop client, everything is broken 🫠
and they update the app at least once a month, the download on the main website is always up to date, but the winget manifest for the app is not 🫠
despite the fact they are both microsoft managed products/services

at least it used to be that way, I haven't had to deal with it in a while so unsure of current state

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so this is a real world challenge that can plague any package manager

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hm it appears they slightly improved it, now its only 1 day difference between the release and the manifest update XD

candid aspen Feb 3, 2026, 2:50 PM

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final wren port patator's hud mod to bepinex

Hell yeah

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:38 PM

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added buttons to open game related folders

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:39 PM

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autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:39 PM

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was about to ask lol

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it works?

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:39 PM

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I can update releases automatically now

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and then after that a second pass updates the dependencies for any newly found versions

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action workflow isn't done yet but I'm getting close with the puzzle pieces

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:42 PM

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any cool features one could have in the manager?

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else i will release the update in a sec

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:43 PM

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https://raw.githubusercontent.com/KopterBuzz/NOModManifestTesting/refs/heads/dev/manifest/test.json
any chance you could check the client with this and see if anything breaks

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:43 PM

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easy enough as i can just change the link in the client :D

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:43 PM

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i think only "breaking change" is that hash will be null for any auto-discovered artifacts because something something github api pew 🫠

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probably just gonna ditch that for now

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Oh I also added downloadcounts

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:44 PM

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:/

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:45 PM

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are you expecting a completely static data structure? :/

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if yes

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:45 PM

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yeah i see

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:45 PM

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add downloadCount

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that's new

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:45 PM

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will do

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:46 PM

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also

    "githubOwner": "downloadpizza",
    "githubRepoName": "LaserRocketFix",
    "autoUpdateArtifacts": "True",

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these 3 are new also

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need it for the autoupdate api calls

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they are non-required so can be null

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in some cases

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:47 PM

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would you say thats relevant information for the client?

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:48 PM

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no

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you can probably omit it

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for client author and infourl is enough probably

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:51 PM

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the first artifact of nott doesnt contain type

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thats a requireed one for me rn

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even though its unsused

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i can make it not required on the client

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:52 PM

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oph shit

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ok

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:53 PM

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its basically useless anyways rn

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but it would be good to follow thy schema

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:53 PM

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ya it was an error on my part

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the rest of the new mods have type

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:53 PM

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ok got it to work now

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:54 PM

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my problem with type is that it comes from "nowhere" so if I just add a new mod and let the automation pull the first release for it

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so I added something for that case to type it as "unknown"

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and then I hand-fixed them

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but the new nott artifact was probably generated before I did that

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:55 PM

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should i still show hashes or what was up with that i forgot

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:55 PM

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pushed a commit to dev so test.json should have types now

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:56 PM

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autumn hamlet should i still show hashes or what was up with that i forgot

na automatic hash checks are not possible purely via github api sadly, the modder would have to upload a separate hash file aslongside the actual release 😭

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because the api doesnt' serve the hash you can see on the page

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:56 PM

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epic

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:56 PM

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Todd

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:56 PM

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i will still keep it in case anyone wants to add it ig

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:57 PM

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i made it non-required in my validation for now

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:57 PM

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where do i add downloadcount

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:58 PM

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if I knew I would have been able to pass the UX exam even if it wasn't open book DogeLaugh

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maybe somewhere close to the download button ?

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 8:59 PM

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nah all the information is on the left you cant just put the downloadcount somewhere else

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 8:59 PM

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and yea ofc can't provide downloadcount for anything that doesn't have releases!

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or if the release tagnames are so fffffd up that they are impossible to parse

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I already have a regex snake growing to parse version numbers from tags 😭

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 9:00 PM

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final wren and yea ofc can't provide downloadcount for anything that doesn't have releases!

we will force anyone that wants to use this to have it on github releases :)

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 9:01 PM

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Todd : pew you Todd will Todd comply

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 9:06 PM

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beautiful

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you think this looks good?

mild verge Feb 3, 2026, 9:11 PM

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im planning to combine all my weapon mods into 1 file is that better or seperate releases for the manager?

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 9:12 PM

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what do you mean combine them into one file? zip all your dlls up or have only 1 dll

mild verge Feb 3, 2026, 9:13 PM

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autumn hamlet what do you mean combine them into one file? zip all your dlls up or have only 1...

1 dll

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id imagine its fine

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 9:13 PM

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well really depends on how you want to have it

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we can support both

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ah yes

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yay

mild verge Feb 3, 2026, 9:20 PM

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how does the download counter work? is it tracked by the manager or github?

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 9:25 PM

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think this may be good

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 9:26 PM

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@candid aspen
MY RIVAL 😄

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 9:27 PM

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mild verge how does the download counter work? is it tracked by the manager or github?

we grab metadata from github releases

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its not realtime

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but will update automatically multiple times a day

candid aspen Feb 3, 2026, 9:29 PM

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final wren <@455899134331977730> MY RIVAL 😄

I'm humbled 🙏

candid aspen Feb 3, 2026, 9:30 PM

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autumn hamlet you think this looks good?

Looking great, I find everything excellent so far, it just works

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 9:30 PM

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Todd

mild verge Feb 3, 2026, 9:33 PM

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final wren we grab metadata from github releases

ahhhh ok

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 9:37 PM

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did some last minute fixes will release now

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 9:38 PM

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autumn hamlet did some last minute fixes will release now

I'll push that dev branch manifest to main so the static page refreshes

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should be up soon

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its live

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 9:43 PM

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https://github.com/Combat787/NuclearOptionModManager/releases/tag/1.3.0

GitHub

Release 1.3.0 · Combat787/NuclearOptionModManager

added download count
changed some ui elements
added buttons in the settings to open nuclear option related folders

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its live

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hmmmmmmmmmmm

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i just noticed something

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 9:49 PM

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what's up

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 9:49 PM

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dependencies get reinstalled when installing a mod

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whaatever

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all good

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we will survive

final wren Feb 3, 2026, 9:49 PM

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Todd

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autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 9:51 PM

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we need to advertise the manifest and the manager among users and modders

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soon

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ah whatever i will fix it

junior geode Feb 3, 2026, 10:13 PM

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mild verge im planning to combine all my weapon mods into 1 file is that better or seperate...

Either would be fine. As a user, I personally prefer individual packages unless they're part of a cohesive bundle, I will say.

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Do y'all support server mods for the dedicated server, too? hmm

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Though I figure most people will deploy Nuclei with a Docker image anyway

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:14 PM

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junior geode Do y'all support server mods for the dedicated server, too? <:hmm:14029956867437...

elaborate

pliant pine Feb 3, 2026, 10:15 PM

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hey uhhh

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what's that

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it's probably some internal stuff, right?

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:15 PM

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uhh

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hmm

pliant pine Feb 3, 2026, 10:16 PM

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it's in library btw

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:16 PM

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how does your plugins folder look like

pliant pine Feb 3, 2026, 10:16 PM

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they are replaced by fake manifest stuff

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autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:17 PM

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pliant pine they are replaced by fake manifest stuff

?

pliant pine Feb 3, 2026, 10:17 PM

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this stuff

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if checked

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:17 PM

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look inside the disabledPlugins folder

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its next to the plugins folder

pliant pine Feb 3, 2026, 10:18 PM

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RNG_looks_at_chat

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:18 PM

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just delete it its when you install a fake manifest i should probably add a a safety

pliant pine Feb 3, 2026, 10:18 PM

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2500 empty folders.

mild verge Feb 3, 2026, 10:18 PM

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jesus christ

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:18 PM

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thats

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intresting

mild verge Feb 3, 2026, 10:19 PM

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pliant pine 2500 empty folders.

hey now your not gonna run out of folders!

pliant pine Feb 3, 2026, 10:20 PM

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autumn hamlet just delete it its when you install a fake manifest i should probably add a a sa...

yeah, nothing broke when I deleted it, still kinda scary to find them like that

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:20 PM

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did you install a fake mod?

pliant pine Feb 3, 2026, 10:21 PM

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uhhh

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idk

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:21 PM

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probably

pliant pine Feb 3, 2026, 10:21 PM

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you mean lorem ipsum stuff?

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:21 PM

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yes

pliant pine Feb 3, 2026, 10:21 PM

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no, I think

autumn hamlet Feb 3, 2026, 10:21 PM

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well i will need to add a safety anyways

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will do next version

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:44 AM

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learning moment: if you change a release package on github, you will lose the download count for that asset 🫠

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:44 AM

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how do you even change a release package

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:45 AM

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click edit

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delete zip file
upload new zip file

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i couldn't be arsed to make a new release to fix the folder structure for noblackbox and nocursoroverride
so I just re-zipped and reuploaded to the same release

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noblackbox downloadcount down to below 1400 🫠

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:46 AM

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that makes sense though imagine changing your totally safe calculator.exe to notavirus.exe and it keeps it 1000m download count

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:46 AM

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me no brain

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:46 AM

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and because its count is per file not per release

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:46 AM

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yaya it counts per asset

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it makes sense I just didn't think about it innocent

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:48 AM

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btw you currently count total downloads per mod right?

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:48 AM

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ya it crawls thru all releases

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:48 AM

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maybe we can add a per veesion download count as well

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:48 AM

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and grabs the download count for release.assets[0]

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ideally there is always only one asset per release

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innocent

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:48 AM

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ideallly

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its not yet automated right but it does work in generating the manifest?

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how many api requests does it do

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:50 AM

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not counting it yet but it can page 1000 releases per call so probably in the low double digits

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:51 AM

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we should be fine for like the first thousand mods right?

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:51 AM

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the actual paging I need to double check in the api docs because

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the boilerplate was made by claude 🫠

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:51 AM

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autumn hamlet we should be fine for like the first thousand mods right?

no the first thousand releases per mod

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which is a big number

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:52 AM

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final wren the boilerplate was made by claude 🫠

as long as you know what to ask for its actually a great tool

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:52 AM

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so unless there is literally thousands of releases per mod

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:52 AM

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unlikely

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:52 AM

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it should be one one call per mod

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:53 AM

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btw im still a bit confused on versions

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:53 AM

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sorry

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100 per page

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not 100

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still

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thats a lot

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:53 AM

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i dont really know how to interpret the version in depends extends and incompats

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:53 AM

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also they are given in the order of latest first so eventualyl we can probably start ignoring ancient stuff...

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but that would result in losing download count

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:54 AM

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hmm

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we will figure that out once we have too

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:54 AM

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we will burn that bridge while we have to cross it DogeLaugh

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:54 AM

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yes

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:54 AM

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autumn hamlet i dont really know how to interpret the version in depends extends and incompats

this

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:55 AM

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well I'm assuming
if a mod comes out with a new release
and it has a dependency
if the modder was able to make a new version

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it must still be working with the dependency versions

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that the previous version worked with

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:56 AM

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so like is the version a minimum version or what

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:56 AM

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but then again after the artifacts meta manifests are updated with new releases
there is a second script that also checks if there are any new versions for dependencies

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:56 AM

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what about the one on incompats

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:56 AM

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and updates the dependency chains of each mod's latest artifacts

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incompats I'm just copying the latest known information atm

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:57 AM

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but what does it meam to have a incompat with mod a version 2.0

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:57 AM

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incompatibilities can be higly esoteric mix of unknown unkowns

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so I don't think that can be automatically updated, oustide of the domain of taking issue templates that trigger an automated version change in the incompatibility

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:57 AM

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can you have multiple incompats with the same mod

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:57 AM

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its an array

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yes

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:58 AM

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what does the manager do with that

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:58 AM

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I don't know, you should probably display a warning

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:58 AM

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final wren its an array

obviously it can but would it

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:58 AM

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that there are known incompatibilities

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within your installed mod library

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:59 AM

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final wren I don't know, you should probably display a warning

currently i just force disable other incompat mods but idk what to do with the version on the incompat does it mean that all version from that one up are incompat or all before that or only that one

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 8:59 AM

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autumn hamlet can you have multiple incompats with the same mod

this is where it comes to esoteric mix of unknown unkowns

if you have 5 mods patching getspeedofsound()

who is gonna win DogeLaugh

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 8:59 AM

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me

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im gonna win

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something something we will burn that bridge once we cross it something

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 9:02 AM

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I would just warn the user that there is a potential problem with the compatibilities and let them disable stuff as they see fit

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imo that's a etter experience, instead of force disabling

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 9:03 AM

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sure i can do that

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 9:03 AM

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also what if you are the modder and trying to develop a fix

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for the incompatibility

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 9:03 AM

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what if i add a option to force enable when like shift clicking the enable bypassing any checks

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whatever i will add warnings

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 9:04 AM

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as long as your chosen method is clearly telegraphed I guess is fine

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some warnings would be nice to have

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 9:04 AM

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final wren as long as your chosen method is clearly telegraphed I guess is fine

will do

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 9:04 AM

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final wren some warnings would be nice to have

easy enough

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maybe we add a fix incompat between property on a artifact

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nah

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we will do it some other day

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 9:09 AM

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autumn hamlet maybe we add a fix incompat between property on a artifact

what would that do

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 9:09 AM

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no clue disable the warning when 2 incompat mods are enabled

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 9:09 AM

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you could store that in the local meta manifest in the mod folder

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I don't think I would want to add that to master manifest

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 9:10 AM

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btw incompats can if you havent already add them too both mods

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 9:10 AM

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autumn hamlet btw incompats can if you havent already add them too both mods

that property isn't actually filled for anything yet

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 9:10 AM

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hmm

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 9:10 AM

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but ya that is how it should be done

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 9:11 AM

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well i can also do it client side

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but if its done in the manofest directly it would be more practical

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 9:14 AM

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icon looking good btw

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 9:15 AM

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final wren icon looking good btw

it serves its purpose good

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btw will the manifest stay on NOmodmanifesttesting forever?

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 9:17 AM

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no

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 9:18 AM

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good to know

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 9:19 AM

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I don't want to just randomly rename the repo etc and since things are still getting fleshed out I dont want to touch it yet

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 9:22 AM

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oh btw

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we have currently only the info url right what if we like add more urls one can add to their modpage

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 9:23 AM

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its trivial to make it an array on my end

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but also

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linktree exists

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etc

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 9:24 AM

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while true that would be 2 clicks and we know what happens when some users need to click multiple times

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 9:25 AM

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final wren its trivial to make it an array on my end

^

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 11:06 AM

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what I want to do: finish the automation
what I'm doing: trying to explain a developer that he needs to change the app name in the manifest so I can upload the dev version as a separate artifact to m365 integrated apps 😭

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at least by now they learned that the version inside the manifest needs to be incremented for m365 to validate the manifest 💀

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we are going towards the right direction

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one step every 6 months

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see I deal with manifests all day
I should rename to Johnny Manifesthand or smth

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 11:10 AM

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the manifester

tawny oracle Feb 4, 2026, 12:10 PM

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final wren

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final wren Feb 4, 2026, 12:10 PM

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Todd

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🎤

jaunty surge Feb 4, 2026, 1:40 PM

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For whoever's interested in Yellowcake, I'm going on vacation today, I'll try as much as I can to push the new version today, of course I don't believe in tests, we write perfect code as usual.

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 1:42 PM

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jaunty surge Feb 4, 2026, 1:42 PM

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final wren enjoy your vacation mate!

Thank you.

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 5:21 PM

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which looks better

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is bigger better?

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good middle ground?

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 5:50 PM

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it depends on how they respond to color setting change

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but i prefer the first one with the green theme

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I'm being summoned to play AoE4 with my friends tonight so won't work on the back-end until tomorrow

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I'll let you know before infourl changes to string array type in live manifest anyway

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I'm not planning to introduce any other breaking changes

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 5:52 PM

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final wren but i prefer the first one with the green theme

the one with the outline?

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 5:52 PM

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autumn hamlet the one with the outline?

this
#1464652513704808657 message

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the brown looks neat with the green

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 5:53 PM

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so bigger is better ig

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lol

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how about this one

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 5:56 PM

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final wren the brown looks neat with the green

i agree but i use that color as the color for what is currently navigated

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 5:56 PM

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autumn hamlet

this also isnt perfect cause its just the primary color which should be used for important actions not tags

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 5:58 PM

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it works for me

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 5:58 PM

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autumn hamlet

i mean this

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 5:58 PM

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does this one work

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 5:58 PM

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that's even better

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 5:59 PM

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perfect i just used onsurfacevariant and then used surfacevariant as text again

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basically a cutout

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 5:59 PM

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it looks neat, and readable

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VeryGood

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gotta run to the shops i'm out of dinner stuff

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 6:00 PM

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final wren gotta run to the shops i'm out of dinner stuff

who needs dinner stuff anyways lol

final wren Feb 4, 2026, 6:00 PM

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I'm not fully converted to plane yet
still need biomass

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 6:01 PM

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ooops

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i really need to add a safeguard for when clicking download on a fake mod

junior geode Feb 4, 2026, 6:03 PM

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autumn hamlet i dont really know how to interpret the version in depends extends and incompats

The specific version that is depended upon

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/incompat/etc...

junior geode Feb 4, 2026, 6:03 PM

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autumn hamlet so like is the version a minimum version or what

We may want to do some kind of format tbh

autumn hamlet Feb 4, 2026, 6:03 PM

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propose one

junior geode Feb 4, 2026, 6:04 PM

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autumn hamlet what does the manager do with that

It should flag it if 2 incompatible mods are enabled, and probably recommend mods somewhere that extend installed mods. And automatically install dependencies

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