General Mod Talk and Bepinex Install Instructions

[wary cosmos]

ngl gang, booting up the new QOL update to see that BDF ripped the laser off the LFD and bolted it onto the Argus got me shitting bricks

[celest sundial]

LAN mod releasing soon

[halcyon notch]

For the record, the vanilla game does have some degree of LAN support

[celest sundial]

Yes, its the LAN support built into the game already but instead added via the UI

youll be able to also start lan games from the UI as well

[unreal mesa]

Finally
Nuclear Option in gaming arenas

[celest sundial]

another issue is needing to manually run cli commands on both ends each time. this boots like normal plus you can choose missions from vanilla mission selction screen instead of having to find and type out the mission name everytime

[celest sundial]

Done

I noticed bug where workshop maps dont load
it does work with user missions and built in missions

ill add the workshop mission sync into this like the panel has and it will fix it.

Wonder if its possible to port forward this port and see if someone is able to connect

[shut veldt]

Bit annoying that bepinex configuration manager, can't bind numpad keys, while num lock is enabled (because then whenever I hit 2, 4, 6, 8 on my numpad, then it also activates what I have bound to the arrow keys)

[full wharf]

you know what i wanna make someday if i ever get the skills?

a Nuclear Option version of the Project Habakkuk aircraft carrier

[quartz folio]

Seems like something huge

I would have created civilian planes if I had skills as well though, which is a smaller dream but who cares. Size of your dream doesn't matter in terms of being bad or good after all.

[celest sundial]

more of a fun mod but looking into making an IR tone mod. so it actually does the IR growl lower and higher based off of distance and angle of an IR from engines before firing.

[rapid pilot]

I made one recently and there was another one not sure who made it? They are really fun to make tbf

[celest sundial]

sweet! I just saw actually lol

does it change tone based off those parameters?

[rapid pilot]

Mine has 2 modes one is it jumps straight from the urrrrr to the AHHHHH growl the other takes into account the distance and goes from low pitch too high

[rapid pilot]

if you want any source code just let me know

[celest sundial]

I dont know if its worth modeling but i was looking at having it increase pitch based off of angle from thermal signatures as well

[rapid pilot]

hmmm very interesting im not 100% how you'd calculate that but would be very interesting to see

[celest sundial]

so facing head on with jet lower tone and as you face the rear more it tones higher

I feel like it wouldnt be too hard.

I also dont know how to code so idk lol

[rapid pilot]

could maybe calculate the targeted aircrafts heading as its exposed to the player then compare that to the players heading i suppose? there is probably an easier way but this is the way i'd start

[celest sundial]

calculate the aircrafts position in space compared to your heading. You can essentially create a "heatmap" for each airframe. not sure if the game has it already but you can have the mod create config profile for each airframe and then can adjusrt the config to match where the engines sit on the airframe

like medusa you would adjust the airframe config so that lower back on the aircraft the growl would tone higher vs the higher rear

[rapid pilot]

very possible i suppose how would it work with angles thow? for instance if the aircraft is verticle and side on? would that affect it?

[celest sundial]

ill do some light research rq

do you have your source code?

[celest sundial]

i actually found the games IRseeker logic and ill pipe that to the tone up and down since it already takes aspect line of sight, distance/range and flares etc

[quartz folio]

How to make waypoints visible.

[celest sundial]

alt f4

[quartz folio]

No but fr I would like to know

I just place them on the map and I see nothing

[frigid tendon]

control-alt-craig

is there no settings? or keybinds in bepinex config manager?

[quartz folio]

https://tenor.com/view/where-are-you-waiting-stittsville-gif-7392731635005110161

[quartz folio]

Just 3 buttons

[frigid tendon]

wack

[quartz folio]

F5 = Open this menu
And than Arrival radius and turn smootherness.

[rapid pilot]

check dm's not sure how useful it will be in this case as for the irlogic nice catch

[quartz folio]

I mean I can always spawn things in the map I guess

Though only on my maps

And I want to have them on others as well

Visible to be able to even work with them

Or maybe there are better waypoint modes out there?

[quartz folio]

I just want ability to see them as well, not just make autopilot to follow them and that's all.

[celest sundial]

@rapid pilot got it working

tone needs adjusting to more irl

but irseeker aspect working

pretty well too

works uncaged as well

[rapid pilot]

very cool

[quartz folio]

Bzzzzzzz

[frigid tendon]

RWR tones Soon

when i get home, unless i sleep early again

[celest sundial]

also does the variable brake actually work for anyone?

I swear its never worked for me

[rapid pilot]

got my first real taste of linux today why do you people do this to yourselves?

[frigid tendon]

works on my machine(tm)

[frigid tendon]

the joke goes that win32 is the most stable ABI on linux

[rapid pilot]

it was just command line simulator 2026

[frigid tendon]

how

pretty sure most distros just use a gui wrapper for the package manager nowadays (i don't use it but w/e)

or snap or flatpak or whatever bullshit is the new meme

like, what distro did you even use

[celest sundial]

bro downloaded the kernel and is making his OS as we speak (this is how every distro works right?)

[frigid tendon]

year of the linux desktop is never ever tbh

[celest sundial]

sudo rm -rf / (PS this is a joke dont nuke your linux box)

[halcyon notch]

Large parts of the Linux desktop experience has been sufficiently standardized and works well. Audio is still stuck in the 70s.

[frigid tendon]

the entire desktop environment sucks

both x11 and wayland are ass

also imo the audio problems are overstated

wireless networking is the actual warcrime

[rapid pilot]

i get its more free than windows but im tired enough

[frigid tendon]

computers suck in general

[manic marten]

I use it on my handheld and on my servers

that's enough for me atm

[frigid tendon]

i use it everywhre

but i hate windows since 7 went EOL

[tawny blade]

oooo what's this

[celest sundial]

IR missile tone mod that works based off the already in game IR seeker behavior,

[manic marten]

i have too much occupational trauma from trying to find backwards compatible workarounds to make automation work on win 7 when we still had loads of them at day job

[celest sundial]

I know a lot of people run open track so im wondering if i would with the tone mod in combo with the new increased missile maneuverability I would be able to have an indicator at the top of the hud so while dogfighting it would cue you of minimum distance from the target and the max angle of attack the nose would be allowed off of a target to get a hit with high confidence

So while looking back or around on your HMCS youll get shoot indicator while in dogfight saying SHOOT. its doing the constant calculation of distance vs angle the nose is off target.

[tawny blade]

not a single audio file needed.

[celest sundial]

sweeet

[tawny blade]

not one
it's just using game audio, or in the case of the new radar contact...

a fully generated 3khz square waveform, that is pinned to a specific length, then referenced for a cached premade sequence

worth it

[celest sundial]

better too because its not a stangant file, since you create the sound itself probably gives you mroe to work with

[tawny blade]

yep. you just make the waveform, store it, then make the sequence, and tie that back to logic.

just a question of how much that costs, and if linux will have their Bios explode from it

[quartz folio]

Do the GTA 5 one

Apressor thing

What, it would be funny to get chase by sytch with that sound

Why not

[tawny blade]

because it brings me no joy

[frigid tendon]

this is one of the launch tones i cooked up

[quartz folio]

You have PTSD from those sounds?

[tawny blade]

that, but also it's just no fun

[quartz folio]

Is it just me who considers that fun?

Damn.

[tawny blade]

you can do it with GAS and the warning approach mod.

[quartz folio]

Guess I am a bad person indeed, and I wasn't even born recently

[tawny blade]

if you scroll up a bit and read, you see what i was doing, and maybe you'll understand that just a sound mod like that is not fun to me

[quartz folio]

I wasn't reading too deep, and it was half joke anyways

[tawny blade]

i don't like it, but i am guessing it's suppsed to be like a russian rwr?

[frigid tendon]

not really, it was just me messing around in audacity

[celest sundial]

New mod coming out

neuralink upload straight into a 20th century boscalian/primaverian factory worker.

fun factory minigames making airframes

[frigid tendon]

i am dragging my feet on adding squads

[celest sundial]

Working on MEAT

(Minimum Engagement Assessment Tool)

The game already seems to calculate the max arc of a missile but it seems to be much more strict than it needs to be for many munitions.

The tool will be focused on AA missiles for now but the mod when a target is selected will constantly calculate the max degrees off the nose can be from that target using the already existing limits from each missile MMR,AAM,Scimitar and the distance from the target.

In theory this would allow pilots to have a much more accurate way to know during a dogfight or cruising by an enemy plane without appearing as targeting them that they will be able to hit a target off bore so far.

The HUD will have a smaller FIRE indicator above the already existing shoot indicator that will vary in opacity based off how easily the missile could vector towards the target.

Say you were in a dogfight and as you enter the merge and go for the turn you would know before the opponent when the true minimum engagement distance of said target is, allowing you to hit shots you otherwise might not have thought were possible.

I plan on integrating it into the HMCS as well so that when you are looking at an enemy plane while in the circle of the dogfight you can look at their plane and still see the fire indicator

Perfect example: While the built in indicator said out of arc. the shot was entirely possible. MEAT would have given me a FIRE indicator indicating based off the missile parameters that the shot was indeed "possible"

[celest sundial]

MMR-S3

thrust 28000
burnTime 2.2
fuelMass 40
mass 100
finArea 0.3
torque 2
maxTurnRate 45
seekerMode 3
flareRejection 2.1
positionalError 3
driftRate 160
guidanceDelay 0.05
tangibleDelay 0.1
selfDestructAtSpeed 200
maxLead 5

got what i needed for calc

[rigid yacht]

You should also include the relative speed and heading of both firing and targeted aircraft into the equation

[drowsy hornet]

I wonder. What are the tools to create models?

[manic marten]

https://klipy.com/gifs/relax-chill-34--k01KPWRTSRXZY2DWZD6M6ZYPD4Z

[dense bear]

guys, anyone have tutorial for modding for NO🙏

[rapid pilot]

like downloading mods or making them?

[dense bear]

making them

[rapid pilot]

#1457932420882894901 message there is a tutorial here im not sure how complete it is I learnt by installing visual studio 22 and the needed components for it then I got unity explorer and messed around with that for a bit then I got dnspy and started looking at how other peoples mods work the rest is history its a very big learning curve if you havent used c code or dnspy before AI can help explain things and do very basic tasks in coding but I wouldn't rely on it fully you will spend more time fixing what it made use it as a tutor

[frigid tendon]

i use vscode, but yeah

chose your own unity asset extractor to explore game files

[rapid pilot]

or this yeah its down to preference really I prefer visual studios UI

[frigid tendon]

it helps if you can make a unity project from the game if you wanna explore ui elements

for simple mods, you can just decompile the game

or explore it in ilspy/dnspy/whatever

[rapid pilot]

for starting i'd stick to unity explorer + dnspy and make something simple

i feel like once you understand dnspy or ilspy you can do pretty much whatever you want lol

[frigid tendon]

at some point, i have to figure out how to get rid of the script errors in the unity project 💔

[rapid pilot]

I can recognise the codes now lol seems to be the same 4 - 5 everytime

me when i miss a }

i cant wait to get into unity properly and learn all the new errors

[frigid tendon]

i wanna know if i can add objects to the cockpit

[rapid pilot]

i managed to make an asset project that piggybacks of blueprinter its an absolute nightmare lol

[rapid pilot]

i too wondered this i crave bobbleheads

[frigid tendon]

i wanna have an RWR display in the cockpit

you know what, i have an idea

but i'll have to explore it when i get home

[scenic cradle]

Why not just build it into the one that’s on the mfd?

Since I know when there isn’t a target selected the MFD has a pseudo RWR that shows pings and contacts on it

[frigid tendon]

because i want something that's always visible and might have a weid set of lights alongside the actual display

[scenic cradle]

Ahhh, ok that makes sense

[frigid tendon]

the helicopter and fighter RWRs have lights alongside the display

can't i just create a gameobject with a model during setaircraft

and set its parent to the cockpit or w/e

[scenic cradle]

you'd probably need to set a custom transform for each aircraft then I think?

[frigid tendon]

yeah

[frigid tendon]

first i have to figure out how to get my own model in the game lol

[rapid pilot]

[scenic cradle]

just blueprinter/s

[frigid tendon]

i can probably just throw together my own asset bundle

[rapid pilot]

the actual unity project for blueprinter isnt public just the dll to actually load the assets in I made a unity project that uses blueprinters dll to load my assetbundles its just really annoying to get right

my current system allows the use of donor assets so im making some crazy weapons atm

[rigid yacht]

Need someone to test my laser mod, find me a big with its

• Piercing
• Tracking
• Self-damage
• etc

[dense bear]

what does do unity explorer?

in contrast DnSpy

[celest sundial]

exports unity assets and can view them

dns spy you can decompile the games dlls

these two will give you info on how the actual in game systems work

[dense bear]

.assets

this?

[celest sundial]

Yes. im not very versed though. also I probably wouldnt upload any here to check

[dense bear]

thanks

[celest sundial]

since its distributing their assets

[celest sundial]

Very alpha test of MEAT

Out of arc but MEAT with the faint indicator says the shot is actually possible

Indicator raises in opacity as your shot becomes more inline with the "optimal launch trajectory"

Default shot indicator says too close, when the shot was possible. MEAT instead had faint indicator showing we actually had a faint but possible chance to hit.

[dense bear]

this is it? unfortunaly i don't understand how to work with it yet

[celest sundial]

I use ILSpy but you should be able to open the nuclear option data folder in dnspy and then have it decompile all code and export to folder

[celest sundial]

you can read each cs from there

[rapid pilot]

you need the mono version i believe

[rapid pilot]

https://github.com/sinai-dev/UnityExplorer/releases/download/4.9.0/UnityExplorer.BepInEx5.Mono.zip use this and press f7 when in game

[celest sundial]

@dense bear My bad yeah i got unity explorer mixed with asset ripper

Unity explorer helps see backend game stuff while the game is running

[rapid pilot]

it lets you see how things work there is also a button that takes you to dnspy with whatever you have in unity explorer open really helped me learn dnspy

[manic marten]

that's the wrong version of unity explorer

use that one

[celest sundial]

Sorry for mod spam i updated all my mods to include game version

[dense bear]

Do I must have to have only one Plugin.cs file?

I just see through DNSpy that people mods have several, or even dozens, of them

[rapid pilot]

you can use one cs file i did when i started but it gets messy its easier to split important parts into multiple cs files makes debugging or adding features easier

take my mod GAS for example its a few thousand lines in total trying to fix things or add them all in one cs would be a nightmare but split them up gets a lot easier

folders are also a godsend

[scenic cradle]

Yeah^

You’d ideally make a new file for like a new section of code you’re making

For example instead of having me charging the power curve of the jammers and transform of a radome you’d do that in two separate classes

[halcyon notch]

Consider looking at open source mods like https://github.com/kopterbuzz/noblackbox or https://github.com/TYKUHN2/AtomicFramework

AtomicFramework might be a bit weird because it has Mod.cs which is not what you think it is

[frigid tendon]

Class1.cs

i'd say to look at NOX but it's all kinds of crazy

[scenic cradle]

I can offer some of my mods for reference since all of them are also open source

[steep bloom]

Has anyone had their Bepenix config plugin stop working? tried to bring up the menu in game and nothing

[dense bear]

huh?

[dense bear]

What is the difference between upper and lower files below GlobalSoundReplacerNO?

[rapid pilot]

Those aren’t in a namespace they are under the root below that is a namespace it stops things like name conflicts

[dense bear]

Is there a way to add parameters from Assebly-CSharp itself? I'm currently looking at the code for QoL and other mods, and they're difficulty but referencing them. The AI ​​is also very strange, suggesting something I've never seen before.

[rapid pilot]

this is classic ai making assumptions "using NuclearOption" its guessing what you need is in that namespace its not if you are determined to use AI to start you can usually tell them to remember things and give them context also screenshots of dnspy however you will spend a lot of time back and forth youtube is full of playlist showing how to mod unity as it is a very easy engine to mod when you get the hang of things and as for the screenshot everything you should ever need is in there im still very new to it all but I have several working mods and can easily find my way around its only taken 4 ish months and you can always ask here there is lots of people willing to help

[celest sundial]

There is a way for AI to make decently usable mods but you gotta figure out your own methods to get it to work

Look up prompt engineering and context

[rapid pilot]

i feel like a lot of people have got to the point where they treat ai as a real thinking being and thats where a lot of issues arise

[celest sundial]

true but its also highly capable, its a multiplier. I just know some basic terms and you have to be specific. That combined with context it works decently well

all my mods are Chatgpt

i dont write a single line and it makes a batch file to compile it for me

[manic marten]

it works pretty well, but - being a multiplier - it will multiply smart just the same as it will multiply stupid

[celest sundial]

exactly!

If you just say " hey make me this mod for nuclear option that say hooray everytime i die its going to give you a cs file that says die>hooray.

But if you give it a somewhat correct flow like.

I want a bepinex 5 mod for a unity game called nuclear option. Here are is how this mod is supposed to function
Step 1:
step2:
step3;

I want a zip file containing the build files included with all needed references and a batch file to compile the code for me.

youll need to debug a bit but once it does it correctly ask it to make a text file of what it did and then youll have a clean template to make more mods with.

then give it context it will work nicely

[rapid pilot]

i never knew it could zip files and i suppose with the right enviroment it would be feasible it was very good at helping make my menu maker but I find it causes issues when editing my existing code i suppose if it wrote all the code thow it wouldnt be as a bad

[celest sundial]

the key is CONTEXT

how you give it context is up to you tho!

[rapid pilot]

ye i suppose i never experimented enough with them i had ugg when i started he was a deep learning teach it yourself ai with almost bottomless resources he could recite the entirety of sharp in detail i miss him rip ugg

[celest sundial]

OPOL I think is 3-4 thousand lines of code. didnt say it was optimized yet but it wrote a mod with 4 thousand lines of code and its working.

lot of code because of all the data collection,logging, and real time flight path simulation

[rapid pilot]

interesting i won a years subsription to chat gpt and claude but i only ever use it to restructure mods or troubleshoot but recently its been causing a lot of trouble

love it when my c key stops working

[celest sundial]

lol

let me see if i can whip up a simple text document template real quick and ill send it to you

[frigid tendon]

i refuse to use ai to code

[rapid pilot]

"insert old man yells at cloud gif"

[celest sundial]

thats fair, i cant code and i have a full time job in IT that isnt coding so i dont want to learn lol.

[rapid pilot]

I like AI as a tool but I still prefer hands on co pilot is really nice

[frigid tendon]

old man blows up cloud with a NUCLEAR BOMB

[manic marten]

nuclear option

[rapid pilot]

what that?

[manic marten]

i heard it on tv

i came here to find out

[rapid pilot]

ah

[frigid tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-boom-toy-story-gif-25808134

🅱️itch

[manic marten]

rex should have used his head

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-rex-i-dont-want-to-use-my-head-i-dont-wanna-use-my-head-toy-story2-gif-18580385

[cedar pumice]

I am waiting for @manic marten to see this.

[celest sundial]

for anyone using ai to mod heres a good bepinex template

that there will give you a good direction on making a mod! 😄

if it makes build errors i just copy from cmd to chatgpt lol. can take time to debug

[rapid pilot]

i installed rtk for the ai lol brings usage wayyyy down

I let a few other people use the account because well it was free and i barely use it tried to get it to upscale some old blueprints and got hit with the limit message

[celest sundial]

claude is much better and tried paid plan. the limit is so low its useless for complex mods

chatgpt 20 dollar plan I can make all the mods and changes i want

[rapid pilot]

i got gpt pro hehe its funny because it says unlimited chat and image but turns out its not lol 5 people managed to hit the "unlimited" limit in 3 days.....

[manic marten]

done

[manic marten]

you can use .net standard 2.1 to have some nicer things and still be compatible

[dense bear]

somehow ai created to me this pretty simple script, im surprised

[celest sundial]

LMAO

[celest sundial]

thank you!

i made this mod that puts a jpg or png on an enemy aircraft in 3d space as just a quick example but that template made me this in 5 minutes

and two quick debugs

[manic marten]

[celest sundial]

7eps you have any idea what part of the code determines which angle a missile will take off its pylon?

OPOL is decent rn but if i could know the angle its going to take off the rail it would help a lot

[manic marten]

not yet familiar with the weapon and weaponstation stuff

[rapid pilot]

"yet" 500 megaton lynchpin confirmed next update

[celest sundial]

im very tempted to make a launch as a piledriver mod

[manic marten]

I don't wanna get fired but I have an obsession with lynchpins

[celest sundial]

when activated you will launch out of an msv and follow the path of the piledriver in your aircraft

[rapid pilot]

im currently using a cloned piledriver to add a new hypersonic glide vehicle

[rapid pilot]

optical lynchpins 💔

ive just fully learnt the most common visual studio errors and now unity is throwing new errors why WHY

some arent too different tbf

[manic marten]

one error after another

[rapid pilot]

fix the error and create 6 more

[celest sundial]

If you ever wonder how I make mods so fast...

[manic marten]

https://klipy.com/gifs/john-connor--k01KQ09K39YTAR28N35D4TXDEB6

[rapid pilot]

yeeeee they're putting you on the KOS list when we get to the skynet phase

[wet cedar]

Incoming missile auto target key binding is coming very soon

[rapid pilot]

im so tired..... custom asset loads so i test it - it needs some tweaking so i tweak it and rebundle it - custom asset fails to load - are we fr?

[hard totem]

@nimble river

[native elbow]

Hey folks, apologies if this is a repeated question. Had a browse through the pinned and a looksie at the guide, but hoping I can get in touch with somebody for some more direct advice.

I'm a VTOLVR modder - I've modelled, textured, and implemented full aircraft, both real and fictional. Looking to try my hand at custom aircraft for N:O. Anyone willing to speak to me about workflow, processes, friction points, etc?

[rapid pilot]

The only tried and tested way is with blueprinter and that’s private unfortunately I’m working on a custom asset loader myself but it’s no easy task especially because I have very limited experience so far I can add munitions and props once I have these down I’m gonna move onto aircraft

[celest sundial]

😭

[loud scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/trevor-jacobs-plane-jump-parachute-gif-25843622

[waxen owl]

Modding starter pack:

Claude
DnSpy/IlSpy
VsCode
Coffee
Unity Explorer
Unity Editor

[halcyon notch]

I use Visual Studio. IDK how the vscode flow works

[edgy coral]

wtf is Coffee

[waxen owl]

^

[rapid pilot]

Visual studio is elite

[halcyon notch]

I've broken my csproj files into reusable chunks

[rapid pilot]

“Hey Claude rename these 5 specific things I’m telling you too” - “renamed everything with the letter e in it and converted the mod to morse code oh and it’s now update 69.420”

[rapid pilot]

I updated mine recently and am getting a really strange bug where I add a reference and it just refuses to see it very sad times

[waxen owl]

I'm rn experimenting with AI Agent

I get a free API key

Free aah Chinese AI

[rapid pilot]

I know a few people use them for modding I just can’t deal with them for longer than 15 minutes haha good luck to you

[waxen owl]

Why

[rapid pilot]

The ai makes code and I spend 3 hours debugging it or I make the code in an hour and it works with very small issue I also know where everything is and how it works if I tried to make GAS purely with AI I actually think I’d go insane

[waxen owl]

With my agent, I can train them how to use the tools

[rapid pilot]

I’ve probably said it 100 times now it’s a nice tool for small tasks but I just can’t be bothered to type back and back and forth I’d much rather just put a film or series on the second monitor and code away

[waxen owl]

Haha

[rapid pilot]

My main issue with the ai is they will never fully know what you want they will try and make what they think you wnat but they aren’t human and they aren’t you so they will never get it 100% right

90% of their problem solving is either going or circles or just delete the code causing the issue and take the feature loss 😭

[waxen owl]

Well uh mine doesn't do that

[rapid pilot]

Fair enough I think it’s down to personal preference

[waxen owl]

Ya need to fix thy work flow of the AI

Mines just

Understanding-find references-build

Mine have a pretty good reasoning

They actually look for references like github etc

[rapid pilot]

That’s just the thing I could spend time refining it and getting in a good place or I could just do it myself and I guarantee it will come out better I’ll still use it for renaming and restructuring ( my code looks awful structurally ) but currently I am faster and more refined than an ai

[waxen owl]

👍

[rapid pilot]

Good luck thow I’m sure you will get good results

[waxen owl]

I already made a mod using it

Well all it do is just log the whole battle

I want to make something like monitor awareness system

Palantir aah

[rapid pilot]

A mod is a mod the fact that we have people willing to create them for free and no reason more than improving other people experiences is good enough in my books

[waxen owl]

73#

Yes

Bruh I accidentally change into the symbol and number keyboard

And my muscle memory kicks in

[rapid pilot]

Could be worse my c key is buggin on my keyboard my messages come out like I’m stuttering

[waxen owl]

😭

Time to try blueprinter

[rapid pilot]

Has it been released yet?

[winged mulch]

I wonder if it is possible to make a mod so that modded in planes are added to default factory lists?
Since from what I've played so far with mods, you can only buy them and can't requisition by rank unless on a mission specifically made for that mod.

[wet cedar]

https://youtu.be/fSFjhWw4DNo?si=P77MSuxog7hN-b8G
We need JATOs

[rapid pilot]

Ye it’s possible

[rapid pilot]

I’ve been saying this for so long hahaha

[grim rover]

Hey guys. Does anyone know where to put the .nodp files?

[rapid pilot]

Directly into NuclearOption/bepinex/plugins

[tawny blade]

larping... so hard

[vestal socket]

I'm trying to download the f16 mod, and it just won't download for some reason

it'll stop after a minute or two

[tawny blade]

you have version 3.1 of the mod manager?

[rare apex]

any blueprinter docs out there?

did a quick search, looks like no

[rare apex]

rider

finally it loaded properly

damn

[waxen owl]

rider?

[rare apex]

https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/ from jetbrains

its paid but i still have it from being a student lol

[edgy coral]

currently writing them

there's

a lot to do.

it's already longer than my uni dissertation at 18,000 words

[rare apex]

https://tenor.com/view/shellshock-thousand-yard-stare-what-wtf-bro-gif-13085994373754983931

[edgy coral]

yeahhhhhhh

I'll probably get it finished when I'm recovering from surgery next month

process is straightforward but a hastle

for each monobehaviour:

• read through decompiled code
• document what everything does
• test ingame
• note all edge cases

[rare apex]

dnspy mcp wen

[edgy coral]

just use assetripper set to level 2

the game's not il2cpp

[rare apex]

ive used assetripper back when it wasnt the web version, but that was so long ago and idk the best settings to properly rip a mono game

ill try level 2 this time

[edgy coral]

default

just set it to level 2

oh and set the script mode to decomp

[rare apex]

what a shit decision btw

the web version is so laggy

[edgy coral]

YEAH it's hell

getting assetripper premium was amongst the better business decisions of mine

[rare apex]

how much is it

lemme check

hmm

[edgy coral]

worth

[rare apex]

im assuming that you have to keep the subscription to get updates (?)

[edgy coral]

it hardly needs them

[celest sundial]

Im trying to learn more about modding, What does level 2 on assetripper do vs me just launching the web gui version and loading the files and ripping with default settings

Also looking into making an Airstike mod

Serverside mod you can set dollar amounts cost per kind of strike package. Users can request and pay for the strike and the server will spawn the strike package with the given targets.

Enemy team will have to move to intercept the strike package

[edgy coral]

level decides decompilation level

[celest sundial]

whats the main difference between decomp level 1 and 2?

[edgy coral]

stubs vs method bodies

[rare apex]

damn

im doing something wrong with the export

?

[rare apex]

i guess it worked?

[rapid pilot]

Custom assets hurt my head so far I’ve got 4 working assets and about 20 broken ones lol and I still need to learn how to make textures for them

[abstract bramble]

Do mods allow you to play multiplayer

[rare apex]

finally

https://core-keeper-modding.gitbook.io/modding-wiki/archive/outdated-il2cpp-guides/unity-setup

[waxen owl]

wow what, how

[waxen owl]

Can you make step by step how to do it

Mines doesn't work well

[cedar pumice]

I had something to do, but I don't know what it was.

[rapid pilot]

most mods however certain ones that affect gameplay intentionally do not

[waxen owl]

Some were, and some not

[rapid pilot]

fingers crossed my new munitions should be out soon™ just need to tweak the last two and make textures

[rare apex]

Use the guide I linked, got me there eventually

[waxen owl]

I don't understand TvT

I'm too stupid and need more clarity

[rare apex]

When you export using assetripper set it to level 2 and change the script export format to DLL export without renaming

[waxen owl]

Which asset you rip

The managed?

[rare apex]

The entire game folder

[waxen owl]

Ok

[rare apex]

Need to figure out how the blue printer patch operations work

[rare apex]

smh

[mental vector]

Hey, how did you install the MC 260? When i try to install it, it's not showing up

[rapid pilot]

yup thats custom assets for you it gets easier thow trust me lol

this is from when i was trying to make barrel bombs lol

[rapid pilot]

do you have blueprinter.dll?

[mental vector]

I dunno, where can i found that ?

[rapid pilot]

https://github.com/nikkorap/NOBlueprinter-Releases/releases/tag/1.8.17 download that and put it in plugins

its also needed for the mig 15 and f16

[mental vector]

Thanks 🔥

[rare apex]

close enough

[waxen owl]

still does not work for me

[restive arrow]

I have a question gang
I got into modding the game recently, but mounting any of the mods (or at least Blueprinter) makes me unable to browse servers.

maybe it's an already known fact in the NO community that most mods turn off your multiplayer, but I want to make sure

[edgy coral]

Servers/lobbies with the same mods will show up

if you have the exact same mods, you can see and join em

[restive arrow]

Ah I see
ngl it's kind of a dealbreaker I lowkey expect mods to just turn off when you join multiplayer
I had downloaded the building repair progress bar mod and even that would hide servers to me

no offense btw the current mods being made are straight heat
But all those youtubers gassing up how modded NO is the best experience actually expect me to enjoy using them on bots lmao

Anyway I'm hyped for official mod support so that mod management is native to the game

[edgy coral]

I've spent most of my time playing modded in MP lmao

[restive arrow]

Hosting ?

[celest sundial]

thinking about making a dedicated kar server

anyone already have one up? doesnt seem like they do

[halcyon notch]

Official mod support won't change the fact that gameplay mods will break multiplayer compatibility

[edgy coral]

both joining and hosting

"mods don't work in mp"

[restive arrow]

dw I was just mad because I assumed there were mods that could run purely clientside

Not talking about entire airframes but like some HUD mods

[edgy coral]

Ah yeah, some of those get wacky with it

[celest sundial]

im pretty sure there are mods that are just clientside no need to have anything server side

[restive arrow]

Sound replacements and such maybe
But I remember once seeing a mod that adds the status of each of your missiles in a volley and shows which landed and which failed
Like a board

[rapid pilot]

There are a few mods that work purely client side the issue is mods can very quickly turn to cheats and the last thing anybody wants is all the mods deleted again

[shut veldt]

Some can, only ones I've personally used, was #1457938330153910440 and #1458083280250208307

Now I personally don't mind playing against bots, as I find lobbies with randoms (only played pve), to be too often a mess

Both as it's not exactly easy to work together with only text chat that does not allow you to read messages you either missed, or only read partially, and all too often people just use up all the teams nukes, the moment they can

[shut veldt]

I'd personally be happy with simply getting a chat history (and maybe giving text chat it's own location in the UI)

[rapid pilot]

it is a mod but official support would be nice

[warm trout]

that is simple to be done clientside

at least the chat history

easiest would definetly be giving it an extra window

[frigid tendon]

this sounds like something i could add to NOX

honestly i could probably throw something together when i get home

[shut veldt]

One minor issue I've gotten. Is that when using QOL mod, I no longer get weapon descriptions, while I don't have footage of it, I'm sure when I first tired it, I got weapon descriptions.

Without QOL

With QOL

[cyan leaf]

It is a known issue with their recent update. They plan to hopefully have it fixed soon.

[candid drum]

How do you connect to modded MP servers-

[soft fiber]

have the same mods

[candid drum]

I probably should have realized that tbh

[shell eagle]

Please don't name it fire

Name it "launch" or something

The term fire would be confusing with an indicator for engine fires

(It's not actually used often in aviation for this precise reason, fun fact)

FTR, I mention this because this would confuse me and I want this mod so bad lol

[rapid pilot]

@jagged forge send logs here

[jagged forge]

Thank you too

Thats all?
Or I need something else?

[rapid pilot]

you can drag and drop this file straight into the chat and it will show us the full log

[jagged forge]

Its my friend's problem, so I cant, but it is full log

[rapid pilot]

ok thats fine is there more than one mod installed currently or just the third person hud mod also im assuming the mod isnt working in game?

[jagged forge]

Only HUD mod, even mod loading screen (for QoL, KAR and BOTE) dont appear

[rapid pilot]

ok so in plugins there is just thirdpersonhud.dll or whatever its called no other dll's?

[jagged forge]

Yes

[rapid pilot]

ok so the log shows that bepinex itself has found the plugin and finished loading thats what the chainloader message is as a test tell them to install this https://github.com/BepInEx/BepInEx.ConfigurationManager/releases/download/v18.4.1/BepInEx.ConfigurationManager_BepInEx5_v18.4.1.zip then press f1 in game if a menu appears it may be the mods that are the issue

[rapid pilot]

have they also done this? its usually the main issue with mods

[jagged forge]

No any menu appears while pressing F1

[jagged forge]

HideManagerGameObject = true

Should be like this?

[rapid pilot]

yes it should be true

have they verified steam files?

[jagged forge]

No, but game was reinstalled like 3 hours ago
Also tried to share my game files, still the same problem (but my game works)

[rapid pilot]

does the log say it loaded config manager? also in SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Nuclear Option\BepInEx\config is there a config file for config manager?

[jagged forge]

Thats all

Idk why but LogOutput wont update after closing the game

[rapid pilot]

have you tried reinstalling bepinex?

[jagged forge]

Yes, after reinstalling

[rapid pilot]

im fresh out of ideas only thing i could reccomend is a reinstall of the game and reinstall of bepinex too

[abstract gulch]

Bit of a silly question but does anyone know why my game bugs out after i exit an aircraft once? (im in mission, eject and then go to spawn a new aircraft and it wont let me move etc its like im spectating). Mods i have installed are:
BepInEx Config
Blueprinter
FQ-106 Kestrel
WSO Yappinator
NO extensions
Frontline Map
NoBlackbox
Laser rocket fix
Ai limit
Repair progress
WIngmanvisual
Frame limiter
Aryx's Mig-15 (updated version)
F-16M (updated version)
MC-260 (updated version)
I use the Mod manager so i don't know if mods update automatically or if i have to manually update that or what? Im a bit at a loss

[waxen owl]

thats.. alot of mods

some might be crashing into each other

and you cant move

[abstract gulch]

Maybe

[rare apex]

recommend remove chunks of these mods at a time until you no longer face that issue, and then adding a mod back one by one

youll be able to find out which mod is causing the problem

[frigid tendon]

i mean, post logs

[abstract gulch]

i think i fixed it, turns out i just needed to update a couple mods (went through and checked all the versions and updated them manually) and it does work now lol

[mossy spire]

Hello users, has anyone made a mod yet that raises or removes the altitude limit for flying?

[halcyon notch]

There is no altitude limit?

[manic marten]

there is no altitude limit but there is no air up there

[modest sequoia]

Hey guys, do you know if they're making Sukhoi mods?

I'm dying to play Flanker and 57.

[rapid pilot]

currently as far as im aware there is none being made

[mossy spire]

there is an altitude at which engines turn off

17 600 M is the altitude.

Oh you mean at this altitude there is literally 0 air?

the engine turning off is a result of oxygen starvation?

[manic marten]

ya its flameout because air is too thin

max alt depends on the aircraft/engine

[mossy spire]

in the game is it coded gradually or is it abrupt?

petition for the kr-67 to have fuel bag of liquid oxidizer 'L_'

[halcyon notch]

At 17.6km the air pressure is on 8% that of sea level

[mossy spire]

That explains why without engines at that altitude you're basically following a balistic trajectory

[fallow barn]

all aircraft mods (that i know of) being worked right now are completely custom & fictional

[abstract gulch]

there's a Mirage 2000D in the works i believe, and we already have a Mig-15

[fallow barn]

true on the mirage, but mig15 is finished and done

[winter maple]

anyone having problems with modded aircraft not being playable at all? Never had a problem before and I haven't downloaded anything new in terms of mods.

[celest sundial]

New update. Thats normal

Wait for patch from mod dev

[winter maple]

Thanks for the help man, you're a real one! I was so sad for a second there.

[queen turtle]

Any known mods for alternate camo nets?

[wooden fox]

does anyone know why bepinex configurator doesn't work? any other mod loads fine for me. i press the keybind and it doesn't work i changed it from f1 to insert but it didn't help

[cedar pumice]

If you would like a patch made in your country's language, please let me know anytime. I will create it for you. Please note that the translation is done using a machine translator or AI, so the quality may be lower. If you do not want that, please use https://github.com/9138noms/NuclearOption-TranslationToolkit/releases/tag/v3.0.0

to create the patch, send it via DM, or post it here with a mention, and I will use that to make the patch for you.

[rapid pilot]

does it appear in logs as loaded?

while updating infinite ammo and weightless i found my old wingman mod safe to say updates broke it even more lol

[cloud abyss]

hi all, I currently have my bepinex files like this, I have changed the chain loader to true and put two mods in my plugins, however I haven't been able to get them to work. did I miss a step?

[wooden fox]

Yes it does

I'll try reinstalling the game

[rapid pilot]

Screenshot of plugin folder pls and also logoutput file

[rapid pilot]

If you send logoutput file or log dump I can take a look

[wooden fox]

Okay, just a sec

[rapid pilot]

Looks like it’s loading fine did you try the f1 keybind before re binding it to insert?

[wooden fox]

Yes

Did not work

I was trying it standalone cause I thought another mod was causing problems but that does not seem to be the case

[halcyon notch]

Verify BepInEx.cfg

[rapid pilot]

Try deleting the config manager config cfg file and running the game again and pressing f1

[coral gyro]

Excuse me, is there any existing documentation for creating custom aircrafts or should I find a specific person who's done it already and talk to them about it?

[wooden fox]

didn't work

reinstalled the game and its working now!!

[acoustic breach]

has anyone been encoutering an issue with aircraft mods being "unavailable" at airbase? i have the F-16, the chimera, and kestrel mods, and all are stating theyre unvailable at the airbase. I checked if it was related to the hangers, and its not. they were working fine a few days ago. anyone else having this issue?

[raven quarry]

update blueprinter, there was a hotfix that broke it

[acoustic breach]

k

[oblique bramble]

The TVmissile mod was very useful

but unfortunately it's gone now

[steady ivy]

if anyone has shoshanas removed mods still in their mods folder could yall dm them to me i wanna archive them for personal use

[oblique bramble]

+1

[brittle kite]

while I have the TVMissileHud mod, I don't feel like distributing it 🥀

I believe there was someone in the P2082 server working on something similar though

idk why we can't just eat good mods in peace

[reef vector]

Why are al mods from Shoshanas removed?!

[soft fiber]

People ask too many questions

[steady ivy]

check tvmissilehud thread for drama lore

[halcyon notch]

Distributing other creator's mods without permission is illegal in at least 182 countries.

[old coral]

My dearest Rick dom probably a good idea to talk to someone like aryx or offiry as they have created some amazing aircraft’s mod, as far as I’m concerned currently I have yet to see any guide on creating custom aircraft’s

[coral gyro]

Thank you, feddie scum, when I'm more ready to work on something I'll contact these people you have reccomended to me.

[old coral]

Yo didn’t full frontal die?

Like

Dead as hell?

[coral gyro]

What's that have to do with anything?

Anyway, yeah, didn't he get his soul sucked out of his body or whatever?

[old coral]

Some space magic BS

New types am I right?

[coral gyro]

deadass

[old coral]

Well see you whenever I see you next you zeonic teddy bear

Also good luck if you are making anything

Take care I’m probably going to either to drink coffee or knock myself out to sleep

[steady ivy]

lmao

[rapid pilot]

i leave discord closed for a couple hours and a whole civil war happened

[rapid pilot]

https://github.com/nikkorap/NOBlueprinter-Releases/releases/tag/1.8.18 kar and bote require blueprinter put it in plugins with the others it should work

[cloud abyss]

Thanks homie ill try that

it worked 😄

[rapid pilot]

have fun lol

[undone eagle]

Gentlemen I have a question. I have since downloaded QOL from the 2082 server along with Mod config and NOTT. Do these mods restrict access to MP?

[rich pilot]

Yes, mods that significantly change the functions of the game restrict access to only hosts/servers that are also playing with those mods

[rapid pilot]

QOL will set you so you can only play with other people using QOL almost all visual mods or mods that only affect you will not block multiplayer but game altering ones will

[molten rock]

Hello. I'm new to the whole modding scene (though not quite new to programming) and I'd like to get into it. Is there any general advice, resource, tutorial, etc. that I can follow if I want to get into adding custom content, like my own missiles that use custom models and whatnot?

[past dagger]

Guys what mods have you got in your list?
Here is mine

[outer crater]

no shot bro doesnt use nomm

[rapid pilot]

not all mods are on NOMM

[outer crater]

i know

like half of those are on nomm

or more

[past dagger]

i have used NOMM, but it didn't show ne what mods i have installed.
maybe i should install them only from NOMM??!!

[coral gyro]

I want to model something out for a possible NO mod. But, I can't decide between these two planes from the portable ace combat games.
I will take an impromptu public poll.
Please hit the 🇫 if you would prefer the Forneus (left, the beige one) or hit the 🇦 if you would prefer the Apalis (Right, the blue one.)
Don't expect too much either way. Thank you for participating, regardless.

[rocky dawn]

Hey ive never really done any decompiling before, might be a stupid question but what is the best way to get vsCode to recognize the methods from NO

So i have the code decompiled, I have a harmonyPatch class trying to patch one of the methods but understandably its saying "hey idk wtf a KillDisplay is" when i try and build it

Do i just give it a dummy namespace/class?

[rocky dawn]

Oh nevermind I fixed it, I can just give it a reference to the Assembly-CSharp.dll

[rapid pilot]

was just about to ask if you have added references lol

[outer crater]

It does show what mods are installed

[stoic tangle]

:3

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1496659121544499262/1501024967314247771/image.png?ex=69fb3aaf&is=69f9e92f&hm=40ec35228001c639dea814c26f946e1694af190b89ed036e2d269e2430448226&

[floral siren]

i'm having trouble with this, when i extract the contents of BepInEx into the nuclear option folder and launch the game, it doesn't creat the new files.

[halcyon notch]

Picture of nuclear option folder

[rapid pilot]

https://github.com/BepInEx/BepInEx/releases/download/v5.4.23.5/BepInEx_win_x64_5.4.23.5.zip make sure you use this x64 win version

[floral siren]

thanks! i can just drag and drop those files and it will replace everything right?

[rapid pilot]

delete the old bepinex folder and overwrite the rest

[floral siren]

okay

works! i'll continue with the guide

[coral gyro]

Okay, I'm doing my research for the NO-Apalis project and it's looking like the most reasonable interpretation is a fatter, twin-engine Revoker in terms of stats and capabilities.

[old coral]

Fair enough

[coral gyro]

honestly, I was excited to work on a FORNEUS instead, but starting with a more conventional aircraft is wiser in hindsight anyway. How would you even replicate the COFFIN system in NO?

I'm sure you could make the entire aircraft see-through from inside the cockpit through some kind of trickery I'm not familiar with yet, but still.

[old coral]

Tbh extremely good question but I will say every single aircraft mod until now has used a normal cockpit besides the FQ-106

But the FQ-106 doesn’t really have a cockpit

I think you could probably make a normal cockpit but then texture it so it looks like the COFFIN?

[coral gyro]

Yeah, some kind of trick so from within the cockpit, you can actually see through the rest of the plane properly to represent the COFFIN's special camera setup. Admittedly, the absolute kino would be that knocking out the cameras around the airframe would screw up the associated parts of the panoramic screen around you in the cockpit, but we'll call that an update 1 or 2 problem when I get around to my first COFFIN based aircraft.

[old coral]

Also I will say it but the fenrir is probably my favorite of the coffin systems

[old coral]

Yeah and I’m pretty sure there is a much simpler way to doing it so there’s not much problem

I’m not experienced in modding aircraft’s anyway

[coral gyro]

me neither, this is my first time. I've done (very amateur level) hard surface modelling in general before but this is new territory for me. Well, as long as I'm learning and having fun, right?

[old coral]

Yeah exactly, with stuff like this I feel like it’s just a nice way of having fun while learning something new

Ofcourse it’s complicated because you need the armor, the internals and then the separate damage model to top it all off

[coral gyro]

seems reasonably accurate to me... Well, for the basic proportions anyway. Doesn't have to be 1:1 and all.

[old coral]

Looks fine to me

Also while the fenrir might be my favorite the apalis is definitely a very unique design in the best way possible

[halcyon notch]

Simple, backface culling and don't add faces to the inside of the cockpit

I don't recall exactly how NO does it, but the first person cockpit is not part of the third person model

It's overlayed on top

[coral gyro]

I wonder when this will deserve its own little threads thing?

[rapid pilot]

theres a couple mod threads for the development of custom aircraft feel free to add to it people love asking when it will be released 8000 times a day lol

[coral gyro]

BEHOLD
The results of mild effort!

[coral gyro]

It's kinda working out, huh?

[rapid pilot]

big spoon

[coral gyro]

yus. Big spoon for big pilot (yummy yummy)

Y'know, I wonder how difficult a chemical laser would be. Y'know, like, it's way stronger and can actually zap aircrafts real good and easy like the TLS from Ace Combat, but it's got limited ammo and isn't just taking from your capacitor?

[rapid pilot]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1471692865062043691 this existed for a while

[coral gyro]

Informative!! It'll be a good reference for later anyway.

[old coral]

There’s a mod that makes the laser able to destroy stuff like ship

[old coral]

Coming out nicely

[coral gyro]

Continuous mild effort.

[rapid pilot]

i've been making some weapon models but im still far of being efficient enough at blender lol I made a couple small bombs, rods from gods and hypersonic glide vehicle the glide weapon has been the hardest by far especially the textures

[coral gyro]

Yeah textures are awful bro fr fr

[rigid yacht]

Just remastered a mod nobody had asked for, feel free to check or give feedback to NO Music Replacer Remastered.

or not

[icy steeple]

guys im stuck on the step 7 it says i should run the game so the files will appear but they dont and i dont see any bepinex config. what should i do

[rapid pilot]

https://github.com/BepInEx/BepInEx/releases/download/v5.4.23.5/BepInEx_win_x64_5.4.23.5.zip use this version of bepinex sounds like you have the wrong one

[wanton onyx]

I bet there will be an FPV drone mod in the future... 🔮

[rapid pilot]

i tried but its very very challenging for me atleast

[wanton onyx]

🤤 i don't know how to code so basically any mod looks like magic to me

[icy steeple]

nope. still nothing

ive installed it

but still nothing

i did all the instructions

[rapid pilot]

Screenshot of game folder pls

[icy steeple]

1 sec

here

maybe bc of melonloader but i dont really think so

i feel myself stupid

[rapid pilot]

I’d remove melon loader just because all NO mods are built on bepinex and I’d probably install the mod manager that installs bepinex for you

[icy steeple]

i have specific mod in modloader that allows me to have hud in third person

thats why i didnt remove it yet

[icy steeple]

melonloader my bad

[rapid pilot]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1466620964614705277 this one is the same just for bepinex

[icy steeple]

ooh ty

should i just remove the melonloader

or install somethinf

something

[rapid pilot]

Yes I’d remove melon loader and bepinex best decision would be a fresh install of the game and use NOMM

[icy steeple]

can i have a little guide

[rapid pilot]

For NOMM?

[icy steeple]

yeah

cuz its my second time editing nuclear option

first time was melonloader

[rapid pilot]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1467341462227124305 you need the msi file or portable works too msi is better thow its a simple click and run there’s an option to install bepinex inside

Make sure it’s the windows version too

Not Linux

[icy steeple]

k ty

ill try and i will tell if something will be wrong (if u want)

[rapid pilot]

Sure I don’t mind

[icy steeple]

@rapid pilot

[rapid pilot]

Was that the msi or portable?

[icy steeple]

msi

[rapid pilot]

Try portable

[icy steeple]

wait do i need to replace it in nuclear options files?

or i just need to run it

[rapid pilot]

It’s an install file so usually just run it

[icy steeple]

k

bruh

same issue

[rapid pilot]

I’d also highly recommend reinstalling the game there is a lot of loose files

[icy steeple]

okay

@rapid pilot

ive reinstalled the game ran the app but still this issue

[brittle kite]

NOMM has been having a few compatibility problems with the newest framework, but yk

Java is buns to work with

[rapid pilot]

You don’t have any other NOMM installers open?

[icy steeple]

nothin

maybe i should close the nuclear option folder :/

[brittle kite]

Not a likely cause for issues with NOMM ngl

[rapid pilot]

Ok it’s fine we can fallback to manual installation now that you have a clean install grab the bepinex file I linked and drop it into the games main folder like you did before

[icy steeple]

the folder or things it has isnside

inside

the instructions said its inside files

[rapid pilot]

You download the zip file and unzip it inside the nuclear option main game folder where the exe is

[icy steeple]

OH WAIT WHAT

DONT TELL ME I SOMEHOW DONT HAVE THE ZIP THING

FORGOT THE NAME

the winrar

yep

[rapid pilot]

I don’t think you need it for bepinex I’d imagine windows built in unzipper would work I use 7zip thow

[icy steeple]

it somehow got deleted

[rapid pilot]

If you select the file it should say extract all at the top in the header

[icy steeple]

it was installing as an other zip

lemme run the game now

ran the game

what now

[rapid pilot]

Inside bepinex you should now have a plugins folder

[icy steeple]

theres only core

still

im so sorry for taking ur time

[rapid pilot]

It’s fine don’t worry haha I do this all day

[icy steeple]

wait wait wait

melon loader

how the hell it installed there

[rapid pilot]

it may have clouded it

[icy steeple]

okay i deleted it

ill try to run the game again

IT RETURNED

i swear to god if its not the springtrap

okay this is shit

[rapid pilot]

i assume the main dll is still installed send a screenshot of your games folder

[icy steeple]

every time i run the game it returns

version.dll maybe?

but i think its the games dll

[rapid pilot]

yes remove version.dll its from melon loader

[icy steeple]

running the game

game is okay and melon is dead

finally

[rapid pilot]

any life in bepinex?

[icy steeple]

YES

[rapid pilot]

plugins folder?

[rapid pilot]

perfect ok all mods go into plugins

[icy steeple]

lemme try

do i need to unzip (k nvm stupid question)

[rapid pilot]

oh one more thing change the gameobjectmanager setting in the bepinex config file very important

yes unzip them you want dll files or folders with dll files inside

[rapid pilot]

you will also need blueprinter

https://github.com/nikkorap/NOBlueprinter-Releases/releases/tag/1.8.18

[icy steeple]

what do i need here

[icy steeple]

dont remember this in the manuals ngl

ill try without it

[rapid pilot]

HideManagerGameObject change = false to = true

[icy steeple]

done

lemme try now

[rapid pilot]

it 100% needs blueprinter if you go on aryx's github where you get the mod its a requirment

[icy steeple]

ohh

k

just install it and run it?

[rapid pilot]

place it in plugins like any other mod it allows custom asset loading

[icy steeple]

k

done

thats all?

[rapid pilot]

ok good mod should load now

load into free flight you should see it

[icy steeple]

well

[rapid pilot]

oh hold on you have downloaded empty source code for blueprinter

[icy steeple]

ohh

lemme replace it rq

[rapid pilot]

you need the dll file the top one

[icy steeple]

yea yea i think i missclicked

[rapid pilot]

same for the f16 file to

[icy steeple]

?

[icy steeple]

oh k

[rapid pilot]

you can ignore the source code files its something github auto generates

[icy steeple]

lemme find the f16 link

[rapid pilot]

https://github.com/Aryx3D/Aryx-F-16M/releases/tag/1.1.1

[icy steeple]

that fast

damn

are u even human

[rapid pilot]

got em saved lol i keep track of most of the mods on here

[rapid pilot]

ok looks better try now

[icy steeple]

DAYUUUUUUUUUM

THAT THING IS BEAUTIFUL

UR A GENIUS

[rapid pilot]

have fun lol remmember theres the kestral the mig 15 and aryxs new cargo aircraft if your after custom aircraft all of them are great

[icy steeple]

no way

i want to install them too now

[rapid pilot]

ye there's a ton of really cool mods kar and bote lets you use cars and boats a bunch of my mods along with better ui mods etc

[icy steeple]

YOU HAVE MODS?!

where do i search for these mods?

[rapid pilot]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1457927084587483260 all mods are here

[icy steeple]

and last question how do i download mods as nobp

like i can only install them as a zip

and i dont see any nobp here

like this

@rapid pilot

[rapid pilot]

only mods that add physical assets are nobp mods otherwise they are dll files

what mods are you trying to download?

[icy steeple]

i dont know

any

for the future

[rapid pilot]

you want either a .dll file or a nobp file

[icy steeple]

ive installed the mig 15 but

[icy steeple]

i dont see any here..

[rapid pilot]

that looks like source code again

ohhhh i see the confusion i was the same when i started you always want to go to releases in the bottome right and download the latest

[icy steeple]

ohh

i see

thanks

[rapid pilot]

np

[icy steeple]

@rapid pilot

i would like to see ur mods

[rapid pilot]

hello

[icy steeple]

can u tell me which mods u have

i'd love to support u atleast somehow or somethin

[rapid pilot]

thats a very big list lol my biggest are infinite ammo, weightless weapons and gas

[icy steeple]

WAAAIT INFINITE AMMO IS YOURS?

[rapid pilot]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1491696204382474310 https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1491680253343694928

yup

[icy steeple]

ive played with it and i LOVED it

[rapid pilot]

thank you thank you

real pain of a mod

[icy steeple]

ur doing a great job man

[rapid pilot]

appreciate it

glad your enjoying the mods

they are only gonna get better

[icy steeple]

i wish you luck with it

i cant even believe i TALKED to someone like u

[rapid pilot]

chats full of people like me 7ep and nikko were modders as of a couple weeks ago now they are devs, crazy community lol

oh george too

[dry surge]

Hello. Does anyone know if there's a mod that lets you fire a gun without selecting it? Like in WT

[rapid pilot]

like fire all guns?

[dry surge]

Yep

Or only main, its not important

[rapid pilot]

i think i may have seen something about it

im not sure if someone has actually made the mod thow as i can see this being classed as an unfair advantage

[dry surge]

Look, I need to be able to fire the cannon while the missile is selected. Put this on a separate button, for example.

[dry surge]

Eh...

[rapid pilot]

a mod that allows you to shoot a gun without being selected would fall into the unfair advantage category

[raven quarry]

you can do this with NOTT

[dry surge]

Okay, understood

[dry surge]

Thx

[raven quarry]

it exists, though

[rapid pilot]

ye i thought i'd heard about it

im surprised servers allow that tbf

[raven quarry]

it isn't particularly easy, but through NOTT many things are possible

[rapid pilot]

i assume NOTT is able to be used in vanilla servers? i never used it

[raven quarry]

they don't really "allow" it, it's not really spoken of

it's pretty finicky to pull off

[rapid pilot]

hmmm i see

[raven quarry]

same with the separate countermeasure buttons

[raven quarry]

yeah NOTT is universally allowed

[rapid pilot]

fair enough i suppose it falls into that very large and volatile debate of if mods should be aloud in vanilla servers lol

[raven quarry]

the various discussions of "this mod is a cheat!" are always a bit funny when NOTT quietly offers things like this lol

you can bypass the entire weapon-switching mechanic with this

[rapid pilot]

could be worse someone once dm'ed me saying GAS is a cheat software

[raven quarry]

i have my gun bound to a button on my controller but tbh i just switch to it

[rapid pilot]

i never really looked into NOTT seems advanced thow

[raven quarry]

it's pretty interesting to experiment with

[raven quarry]

this is hilarious, what the heck?

[rapid pilot]

i might take a look after im done patching all 7 million of my mods

[rapid pilot]

ye i asked how and got blocked

[raven quarry]

i also had to get steam input involved with both the countermeasure buttons and the specific gun button, so it's not possible with NOTT alone but the need for separate software is implied by the results you get without it

thankfully steam input isn't really that difficult to use once you get the hang of it

[rapid pilot]

i remember the mod that allows cutom inputs to be added that could definitley do it but would require you to build the binds yourself

[dry surge]

Thx guys, this mod is better than nothing. But WT only in this moment was better)

[brittle kite]

how does CM selection work in NOTT again

I never could get it to work alone purely off the mod's binds

so I dropped that feature

[raven quarry]

#1457938330153910440 message this is ostensibly a guide to doing it the way I have it, but perhaps it's not written in a way that is useful to anyone else

at this point it seems to work very reliably for me, i have each countermeasure bound to one of the paddles on the underside of my controller, I used to have them on separate face buttons

it switches to the respective countermeasure and starts using it on a single pull of the paddle

[brittle kite]

ah steam input

looks like I kinda misunderstood how the feature worked

blegh

[raven quarry]

you can certainly use it without steam input but you would have to switch to the countermeasure before pressing the button

which rendered it sort of pointless in my opinion

i decided to figure out how to do it without that and it turned out to be possible

[brittle kite]

yeah this was the issue I ran into

which made me drop trying to use the feature

I didn't realize that it only worked for selection

d-oh

[cedar pumice]

I was testing a new map mode and it worked in multiplayer, but I think something really big has gone wrong.

I think I made something really bad.

[fallen bison]

hey i need some help getting air craft mods to work i have the blue prints mod installed i have tried mod manager just says down load failed any help would be appreciated

[hard totem]

@outer oracle

[hazy garden]

Are there any mods for different maps or bigger maps?

[brittle kite]

#1471285783955771576 (no one has created a custom map with this mod yet)

at least not as far as I know

[hazy garden]

damn I am going to have to learn to mod and be the change I wanna see

[rapid pilot]

theres a couple people making maps that i know off me included its not hard to get set up thow honestly

[stoic tangle]

There's a framework that might work

Iirc, it's kinda broken

[empty shard]

im having an issue with a mod I'm working on
It appears that it conflicts with another mod becuase I think we're hooking the same type (TacScreen) to update both mods
I need my mod to update every physics tick at least, shoudl I just change which function I'm trying to attach to?

[kindred finch]

i think you need to provide a bit more information

[empty shard]

im doing this
another mod is also doing this (because I used it as a template since I wasn't quite sure what I was doing initially)
should I attach to a differernt update function in order to update every tick?

[kindred finch]

are you like taking data from the tacscreen on updates or what exactly are intending to do

[kindred finch]

also which mod

[empty shard]

endars NO ATC mod https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1479363697737596999

[kindred finch]

so hooking into the same method should not be a problem at all so you are maybe doing it incorrectly may i see the whole patch

[kindred finch]

what is the issue does it just not do anything?

[empty shard]

if I have the ATC mod enabled, it run the gui for my mod

actually I might have figured it out sorry

[kindred finch]

you are patching it in right?

harmony.patchall or whatever

[empty shard]

yea
I think the problem might be in here

ah
so if I have one of them enabled, the other one disablees itself

[empty shard]

ok it wasn't in there

weird

[unkempt whale]

guys what are the best nuke expansion mods

i need a lot of nukes

[empty shard]

ok
I've abandoned my conflict issues for now, is there a easy way to grab the current map from the client?

[slate mortar]

hello i have a question cani play online even with mods installed ?

[winter creek]

if both the host and the clients have the mods installed, yes

[cedar pumice]

It is possible with the exception of some mod, and there are cases where certain mod work even if the host does not install them.

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1500841525322715155

For example, it's this mod.

Or localization patches also work in multiplayer.

[icy steeple]

@rapid pilot

i have a little idea for a mod

idk if u can realize it

[rapid pilot]

Shoot

[halcyon notch]

They forgot to reload

[rigid yacht]

Can someone remind me how to replace the displayed name of a ship?

[icy steeple]

the missile aiming type. like just selecting the target and shooting the missile is very boring so what if u change it so u need to actually aim it like in war thunder or smth

idk how to explain it

[rapid pilot]

I assume you mean add things like ir missiles cat just be fired they need rear aspect and radar missiles need consistent lock etc while possible it takes the game more into a simulator and away from arcade so I probably wouldn’t make this you can still ask in the mod suggestion thread thow

[cloud abyss]

Are there any mods with more fixed emplacements? Stuff like the mac cannon from halo

[hard totem]

@edgy coral Didn't you accidentally make one of these with your AA Cannon last night? 5kg of HiEx filler and high velocity... 😄

[edgy coral]

yes

[hard totem]

Hmmm, slow firing with very limited ammo, like 10 shots, all different magazines/reloads, Railcannon Container, capable of firing on TBMs...?

[hard totem]

Traverse would be slow, reload slow, HiEx filler, dunno, whatever's needed to set off a Piledriver heading down.

[icy steeple]

mhh not really like that i didnt mean the rear aspects radar things e.t.c i meant just the way u fire the missile

[rigid yacht]

@elfin quartz made this Stonehenge btw, and it worked

[oblique bramble]

Is it possible to make a mod which shows what other (allied) players are targeting?

[rigid yacht]

I'll do you one better, a mod that shows the red line of all launched missile (like if you're hovering your cursore above that missile, it shows the target)

[scenic cradle]

doesnt that already exist ingame already?

At least I swear it does for friendly munitions

[lapis flame]

Is joining a modded multiplayer match 100% dependent on having the exact mods as the host and no others? Or are there mods that can be used individually that don't fall under the "everyone needs to only have mods X Y & Z" condition? Besides Liveries, obvs.

Specifically wondering about things that change sounds/music or the visuals of the map, cockpit, etc.

[raven quarry]

there are many mods like NOTT and yappinator that are usable everywhere

there's a few like autopilot that are in the same category but are not permitted in a small number of places

[halcyon notch]

Mods individually decide themselves how to handle multiplayer, there is no hard and fast rule

[raven quarry]

essentially if it only changes graphics or audio and doesn't really change the game in a real way, you can assume it's allowed

but yeah mod authors can still just require the host to have the mod, so you have to look into things yourself

[lapis flame]

I see, thank you 🙏

[rapid pilot]

all roads in military engineering lead to germany lol

[past flame]

hmmm... Not sure which mod does so, so i'll post it here: List: QoL, Chimera, F16, Defencive AutoTarget, KarBote, WingmanVisual, RepairProgress, Vehicle Control One of the mods listed overrides targeting of any vehicle. When in map view it targets two targets: One that is closest to the camera center AND the one on the map that was intended to be targeted

[rigid yacht]

That's vanilla behavior lmao

MFD only zoom at 1 target
But 2 or more target, it'll adjust so you can see both in that screen

[past flame]

33.3 bug then. Before I had no such problem

Nonono

[rigid yacht]

Then, it might be caused by either WingmanVisual or Autotarget

[past flame]

Full-screen map. Your camera looks forward, there's targets. You target something to the side, like the ships, and it targets the buildings in front

[rigid yacht]

I think you turned on the lock on target camera bind

[past flame]

hmmm... there's only one target select bind. How do i separate that on hotas?

[rigid yacht]

Idk, I don't own a hotas

[hard totem]

So you want a list of targets your camera individually zooms in on, as part of the total targeted?

[past flame]

no. I want to target via hotas, when i open the map, and NOT pick up targets in a different direction. Which is also where my PoV points towards

[rustic pawn]

Probably a dumb question, but can you join a normal multiplayer game with custom plane mods on?

[jovial wharf]

i followed up until step 6 and i cant procced step 7

i dont see the /BepInEx/config folder hasnt automatically appeared

[manic marten]

#1467341462227124305 install mod manager, forget about dealing with bepinex installation

[abstract gulch]

What happened i can't find the thread

[shy pebble]

Burning hot patch for the Ternion !

[torn bough]

I am working working on an FPV kamikaze drone mod and wanted to sanity check the propulsion choice with people who have actually been in the game's flight code.
Chicane style helo physics would be nice, auto hover + anti torque correction comes for free with HeloControlsFilter. But when I traced what RotorShaft.Awake actually needs, it wants a SwashRotor child with animation curves, a hubRotator transform, an AudioSource with a clip, plus a Transmission. That's a fair bit of supporting asset work for a 2kg fixed pitch quadcopter that doesn't have cyclic or collective in the first place.
Has anyone got a quad style aircraft running on HeloControlsFilter? Curious what the actual minimum supporting components turned out to be, and whether there's any way to dodge authoring the SwashRotor geometry.

Different question on the same drone. Right now I'm using a custom controller that does direct Rigidbody force application, with the 4 prop meshes spinning purely cosmetically. Works fine.
For v1.1 I want motor damage, one motor dies, drone tips, you have to fight it or crash. That basically requires real per motor thrust at the 4 anchor points.
My read is this means 4 DuctedFan instances each taking an independent thrust value, plus a custom controls filter doing motor mixing (since HeloControlsFilter is single rotor and not really set up for that). Has anyone actually wired 4 DuctedFans independently in NO? Curious if anyone's been down this path.

[cedar pumice]

Please refer to the tarantula. Since it has four rotors, it would probably be easy to make if you modified and miniaturized it.

I cannot verify this for now as I am outside, but I presume that related information can be found on Tarantula.

[rigid yacht]

I don't know about control and Aerodynamic, but i can tell you about how the game handle damage. Unless you pack some ridiculous high explosive and deal plenty penetration float
Most vehicle in the game can survive it

[torn bough]

Damage chain finding was the bigger win. Turns out Warhead.Detonate only does VFX and we were bypassing the actual damage system. Thanks