General Mod Talk and Bepinex Install Instructions

[manic marten]

or transformers ?

[frigid tendon]

that's craig

[manic marten]

craig's list of random ordnance

how much for the truck

[frigid tendon]

no the truck is craig

[shy pebble]

blessed craig

I'm quite happy with my 3rd rewrite

this will make everything so much better

and modules hot-swappable

[frigid tendon]

neat

i must test the web ui for NOX when i get home

[shy pebble]

hell yeah

[past flame]

Nomnom has some WEIIRD issue. It has Lorem ipsum mods outa wazoo

[manic marten]

eh

no?

nomnom is a package registry

and it definitely doesn't have lorem ipsum

https://github.com/KopterBuzz/NOMNOM

do you mean #1467341462227124305 ?

[kindred finch]

in the settings there is a toggle for ui testing to show a lot of generated fake mods

[past flame]

Ah, thank you.

[halcyon notch]

Reversing CIL code is annoying so I cheated and robbed copied NOMNOM of all it's precious data to grab repo names.

[manic marten]

the great mod id heist 2026

[shy pebble]

"I'm putting together a team"

[frigid tendon]

clearly i need to make a mod that adds a button that just collects system info and the player's mod list

[manic marten]

https://klipy.com/gifs/rick-and-morty-morty-12

[rapid pilot]

bro's tracking players habits and usage to better invest in mods

[frigid tendon]

it's so it's easier to see what mods players have installed

:(

for debugging

[manic marten]

dont forget the keylogger and secret kernel dump uploads

know your customer before the customer knows you

[scenic cradle]

Don’t forget also tracking discord messages sent

[frigid tendon]

i'm not writing warez, i just wanna see what Could™ be conflicting

[ionic charm]

Bepinex logs should already have that info

[rapid pilot]

tm symbol????? bro is taking the modding scene corporate

[halcyon notch]

AtomicFramwork logs what mods are initialized

[bronze schooner]

dont suppose theres any mods that can give the VL-49 Tarantula electronic warfare/AWACs capabilities?
i know unrestricted weapons exists but i cant be bothered to scroll through basically every weapon in the game just to find jamming pods or radars

[scenic cradle]

I know that QOL gives it to the ibis via a radome mounted to the bottom

[bronze schooner]

yeah, same with jamming pods on sponsons
shame it doesnt do that for the tarantula

[bronze schooner]

(love using that for naval operations, especially when deploying from destroyers and stuff)

[bronze schooner]

btw only asking since i think it could be an effective platform for those capabilities

not sure where the radar would be mounted though

on the bottom maybe like the Ibis?

[rapid pilot]

on unrestricted weapons set it to whitelist and just give it the radome tag?

[bronze schooner]

i suppose i could do that?

[rapid pilot]

game would be normal except radome would be available everywhere

[bronze schooner]

is unrestricted weapons compatible with QOL though?

[rapid pilot]

yup

[bronze schooner]

oh fr?

that could be quite helpful then

[rapid pilot]

ye ive used both before so unless qol has made huge changes over the last month it should be fine

ive strapped a cricket full of HASM's before lol

[bronze schooner]

cant wait to put axiom hypersonic missiles on an Ifrit

[rapid pilot]

love em pricy thow

[bronze schooner]

yep
can destroy ships using them pretty easily though so worth it

[bronze schooner]

wouldnt i have to like scroll through everything there?

or can i just do a thing thats like "whitelist radar and EW pods"

and blacklist everything that isnt those things

[rapid pilot]

no you can either edit the cfg or the much better option is download config manager press f1 set it to whitelist and only type the name of the radome that way everyuthing looks normal except radome will appear on every hardpoint additionally

[bronze schooner]

clever

hopefully it doesnt make the aircraft look too silly

[rapid pilot]

if you dont want ai to use it when making your loadout turn on slow motion and turn the mod on using config manager equip it spawn then turn the mod off and un slow time

https://github.com/BepInEx/BepInEx.ConfigurationManager/releases/download/v18.4.1/BepInEx.ConfigurationManager_BepInEx5_v18.4.1.zip also thats config manager if you dont have it definitley download it

[bronze schooner]

already got config manager so dw

[bronze schooner]

ah, well thats slightly problematic

[rapid pilot]

hmmm

[halcyon notch]

btw credit to the devs for making such a robust and flexible game.

[scenic cradle]

Ong ^

[tender surge]

Any one know what mod allows this dark mode map? I've been trying to look for map mod but I can only find the custom terrain loader ones. I only want the custom tactical map

[scenic cradle]

ATM I think QOL does this and one other mod. There should be something in the QOL config to disable iirc

[ionic charm]

mods as in moderators right?

right?

[manic marten]

there are mods for this game?

[rapid pilot]

No.

[ionic charm]

we must keep delaying the update indefinitely

[rapid pilot]

Game plan

[open kettle]

when update ?

[olive arch]

well yea that's to be expected with every major update

[shy pebble]

oof

I might need to postpone my big revamp

thank god I designed NOTT to only patch activated components

next version not so much

designing a solid and future-proof architecture has proven harder than I thought

[frigid tendon]

fugg

[shy pebble]

the next 72 hours after an update are always goblin mode for me anyway

monster energy hq 24 hours before the update :

[frigid tendon]

surely NOX's thousand random patches won't break

[shy pebble]

yeah, same problem here, I've done my best to only patch update and init functions but some outliers are still here

main reason why I'm switching to an event driven system tbh

I sincerely hope we're not talking about some form of obfuscation

[frigid tendon]

my main worry is all the UI elements changing--oh that too

[shy pebble]

wait are they ?

[frigid tendon]

i'm already doing horrible, unspeakable patches

[frigid tendon]

I SURE HOPE NOT

the only scenes i haven't gotten my grubby little hands all over are the settings and encyclopedia\

and i almost added UI elements to the second one for adding RWR info to the aircraft previews

[shy pebble]

that'd be kinda cool ngl

[frigid tendon]

well i don't wanna do it now 😭

[shy pebble]

yeah not the best of times

[frigid tendon]

i'm hesitant to even continue working on the party system

[shy pebble]

most of the logic shouldn't change too much

once you've got the "access points" figured out, you're good

[frigid tendon]

how i made quick joining friends is honestly super cursed

[shy pebble]

I gotta look into what you did btw

[frigid tendon]

and i coulda done it a better way but i just didn't care enough

[shy pebble]

I wanna use the steamworks api for their recording features

add markers for important events

[frigid tendon]

oh using steamworks API is actually pretty easy

[shy pebble]

like dota does

[shy pebble]

I'll have a peek 😉

[frigid tendon]

https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/Nuclear-Option-Extensions/blob/master/NOX/Hooks/SteamInit.cs

if you wonder why i did something the way i did

i don't remember but i probably had a good reason

[shy pebble]

thanks a ton !

[frigid tendon]

but yeah you pretty much just wanna patch MarkInit since by that point the steam stuff is done and you can tell if it's running as a server

[rapid pilot]

I might be one of those people and just disappear after the update

[frigid tendon]

i'll just bang out an update for NOX the weekend after

oh wow i don't think i ever pushed the latest code

😭

[shy pebble]

haha

happens to the best of us

[frigid tendon]

i don't wanna get on my desktop

[rapid pilot]

Real

[shy pebble]

lol yeah

[rapid pilot]

Visual studio speaks to me like the green goblin mask

[shy pebble]

I feel ya, whenever I feel that way I pimp the hell out of my code editor

[scenic cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-mask-gif-17747048515581223060

visual studio tempting me to go and work on yet another stupid idea (Ultrakill style meter)

[rapid pilot]

I have a mod that does random things like fires missile or pulls the ejection handle so this is incredibly real

[scenic cradle]

Reminds me of the fun mod for factorio which just does random stuff

Eagerly await it

[shy pebble]

we should make a shitpost mod ala Crack Life at some point

[scenic cradle]

TRUE

[rapid pilot]

I really wanna make random jump scares

[signal hemlock]

I’m currently working on a hypersonic nuclear cruise missile mod if anyone would like to join in. I’m a Java dev with some C# experience. I’m starting from scratch learning unity.

So far, it’s been extremely painful manually going through DLLs with dnSpy 😅😭

I have a lot done, but trying to figure out a way past this “All hangars in use” message that prevents spawning with the weapon. Kinda at my wits end ngl lol

[scenic cradle]

From my knowledge, that only happens if the hangar/airbase's understanding of the aircraft is different than the client's? (I also may be waffling but the general idea is that from what ive ran into, if im wrong someone correct me)

Are you adding the weapon to the aircraft definition in the encyclopedia?

[signal hemlock]

That’s a good question actually. I don’t think I did… I’ll have to check that when I get home later

[scenic cradle]

Yeah

You need to patch the aircraft definition in the encyclopedia singleton to have its hardpoints include the new weapon

just know that in multiplayer, if you dont change the version string so the server browser doesnt show non-modded lobbies, you may lock people out of even spawning the aircraft if they have the mod and the host doesnt

since I know when I made the E/KR-67 and added the radome mount, it blocked you from even spawning it if it even had the mount visible in the loadout select and nothing in it. May be related, I havent done a lot of testing

[signal hemlock]

Thanks for pointing this out. I just checked my codebase. I’m not adding it to the encyclopedia at all. This could be my entire issue. Here I was thinking I’m just missing asset bundles lol realistically, I shouldn’t need it since I’m essentially cloning the HASM-600 axiom from QoL and giving it a nuclear yield and setting nuclear to true.

Now I’m mad I’m not home right now 😂😭

[signal hemlock]

Where’s the version string located? Or where would I define that?

[scenic cradle]

Its should just be making a harmony patch on Application.version and getting the version string and appending it with something else like __result += "_Something-v0.6.7";

lemme drag up what I do when I get back home and get a better explanation, I havent opened up VS to do any work since I've been hooked on arc and been on spring break

[signal hemlock]

Lmao no worries. I appreciate the help! I won’t be home till later tonight anyways 😂

With this new info, I’m just mad I had to work today lol

[tawny blade]

i love growlers :3

[celest sundial]

Is next update out?

(Trying to delay the inevitable of everyones mods being eviscerated)

[tawny blade]

it is about as close as christmas, seemingly

[halcyon notch]

The game now only shows modded lobbies when the game is declared modded using steam lobby tags instead of version numbers. You can also use AtomicFramework's discovery mechanism to get better control of how vanilla client support works

[scenic cradle]

Oh really?

Huh, I thought if you changed the version string it blocked you from seeing other lobbies that aren’t on the same version (as in share the same version string) in the server browser

[halcyon notch]

It does but the game supports declaring mods

I'd have to look back at it to see how picky it is

[scenic cradle]

yee, gotcha gotcha

today I learned then, thanks!

[rapid pilot]

#general message

We are safe for now

I’ve seen a few messages saying that this is the largest update ever thow so I imagine getting mods to work again is gonna be a nightmare

[drifting mantle]

Yeah I imagine we're gonna be without QOL for a good while

I just hope the sound mods get up and running quickly again, I don't think I can live without GAS anymore....

And yappinator

I need Jester to comment on everything I do, I need him

[rapid pilot]

Appreciate it I was supposed to restructure and update it this weekend but I’m genuinely dead with the flu lol

I really don’t see sound mods getting touched to be fair especially gas as it is basically bulletproof

I tried doing some GAS restructuring today on flu meds and ended up writing the same class 3 times in a row and decided maybe wait till the meds wear off

[rapid pilot]

hey does anybody here use visual studio 2026? is it worht the change from 22? i have seen conflicting reports from people on both sides online just curious if anybody here uses 26

[halcyon notch]

I just swapped to 2026 for .NET 10 support. It's meh

If you need it your need it, if you don't you don't.

[rapid pilot]

ye i suppose i just couldn't really see a need too unless there were some crazy features but it doesnt exactly seem like it

[halcyon notch]

Lots of AI stuff I think but I immediately turned it all off

[rapid pilot]

I use it too tutor me with new things like im tryna make rain and use the particle system and also my code spacing is awful so i usually get it to properly lay code out ( it messes up a lot thow ) so unless its a huge improvment i'll probably leave it for now

thanks

[frigid tendon]

i just use vscode

[rapid pilot]

i tried that but the ui was a bit messy to me? idk i just preffered visual studio i guess any major advantages?

[frigid tendon]

vscode runs on linux lol

[rapid pilot]

ah that would make sense lol

[frigid tendon]

also it doesn't take 10 millennia to start

[halcyon notch]

Using vscode rn btw

webdev

Typescript + Express + React

[rapid pilot]

i heard its good for debugging code but not much other than that i may have to take another look

for university i have to use visual studio so thats why i started with it

[halcyon notch]

For uni I used IntelliJ

[rapid pilot]

i have no idea why they make us use it but we have too post proof of progress basically videos of us in visual studio showcasing how we made the code very jarring tbh

[halcyon notch]

I love my template

A good template will take you miles

React CSR SPA, easy API, runtime type checking (in a dynamically typed language 😱 ), asymmetric page loading, and a build system that recompiles and reruns as needed (hot reloading missing sadly)

[rapid pilot]

i am NOT this built for coding yet lol I hope to one day thow

[halcyon notch]

I have a less powerful template for my NO mods but it's still nice

[rapid pilot]

I am learning ( slowly ) sometimes I feel like a coding god other times it's a reminder of how little I actually know lol like rain I was doing great then not so great im sure i'll get better rome wasn't built in a day so on lol

[mellow cliff]

hey im using NOMM for my modding is there an issue with it and connecting to steam for multiplayer? or did i miss something

[rapid pilot]

certain mods ( alot of mine ) disable multiplayer what do you have installed?

[mellow cliff]

a few installed but tried disabling them all already

[rapid pilot]

is steam running?

[mellow cliff]

ya

i'll try restarting steam again

ya still nothing so far

workshop works now

but no multiplayer still

[foggy kiln]

I think there was a mod that let you put whatever liveries you want on any plane

But i cant find it now

Can someone help?

oh not livery

loadout

like bombs, rockets etc

i found it

[rapid pilot]

maybe try verify steam files

[mellow cliff]

will try that now though the steam version works fine

[mellow cliff]

same issue

[rapid pilot]

Steam version? I’m pretty sure you can only get it on steam?

[mellow cliff]

steam version as in not launching through NOMM

reinstalled Bepinx same issue just gonna reinstall game

[mellow cliff]

reinstalled everything including NOMM using the portable one this time still no luck

[rapid pilot]

was it working before NOM?

id also try resetting your internet box

[mellow cliff]

? it still works fine if i launch the vanilla game

im trying to use nomm though

[rapid pilot]

is it whenever u use nom to launch or is it if mods are installed at all?

[mellow cliff]

i havent used manual install i was specifically trying to avoid it

[rapid pilot]

i mean NOM just basically does the same way manual does so if you enable mods in NOM then launch through steam they should be enabled

[mellow cliff]

they are not

huh

now it does??

got it!

works now if i launch through steam

is there a seperate server list with mods on or is there really only 2 servers up rn?

[rapid pilot]

from your screenshot you have qol they have their own servers i believe but only qol my weapon mods and unrestricted do that i believe theres a lot of dedicated servers should be alot more than 2

[mellow cliff]

gotcha

[balmy garnet]

Is it possible to swap a 3d model from an existing airplane and replane it with a different one with animations for landing gear and all

like the vortex

[undone scaffold]

How hard would it be to mod in the rumbling?

[rapid pilot]

You can add custom models yes but if you use a model you find online it’s not gonna look right at all and is a very big pain due to how nuclear option aircraft are built you would be much better off learning blender and loading custom assets I also wouldn’t go straight for aircraft try a bomb or gun or even ground vehicle first

[rapid pilot]

Like gamepad vibration or flight stick vibration?

[undone scaffold]

Oh no like the rumbling from attack on titan lmao

[rapid pilot]

Oh hahaha I have no idea what that is could you describe it?

[undone scaffold]

Buncha big fellas who try and trample the map

[rapid pilot]

i'll be very honest here that sounds very difficult

[steep epoch]

alright I want to dabble in mods for NO

any recommended mods that are multiplayer compatible?

(entirely client side stuff)

[olive arch]

Nuclear Option Tactical Tools (NOTT)

also better pip

[steep epoch]

it doesn't initially show up when I search the forum
what's the mod about?

[olive arch]

self-explanatory

replaces the game's gun pipper with a better one

[rapid pilot]

NOTT, Fuel burn timer, WSO Yappinator, GAS, War thunder controls, Third person HUD theres a lot tbf

[steep epoch]

Are there any specific sound packs that are good with GAS?

[raven quarry]

https://discord.com/channels/1303878245942431765/1436134603277602827 betterpip is over here at the QOL discord (i hope that link works) but it works in regular multiplayer

[steep epoch]

It doesn’t work lol

[raven quarry]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1337634794040983593 join this discord and then try the link

they have a few mods that are useful and usable in regular multiplayer

[rapid pilot]

i use the realistic sounds pack mixed with the russian pack

[steep epoch]

Uh a little problem

My RWR missile warning system is not making any sound

I only see the lights flashing

[rapid pilot]

with GAS?

[steep epoch]

With GAS

The sound file is just default

[rapid pilot]

default if theres no wav files should roll back to the originals

[steep epoch]

Also where could I find a catalog of said sound files btw?

Assuming I wanna change it

[rapid pilot]

GAS looks for clip names and if it sees one attempts to swap them if theres no named wav it cant swap so it rolls to default

[steep epoch]

Say to the F-18 RWR

for example

[rapid pilot]

theres a mega linked at the top of the GAS post theres packs in there you just place them in the packs folder and use config manager to swap them

do you have config manager installed?

[steep epoch]

Yes

[rapid pilot]

ye just put them in packs and press f1 then GAS and swap the packs you can sap mid game

[steep epoch]

yeah there is a problem

the RWR is not working correctly for the default

and there are no wav files in the default one besides the radio chatter (but this issue happened before I added it anyway)

[rapid pilot]

im about to release an updated GAS file try this one if that doesnt work im more than happy to troubleshoot

new GAS is out you only need to replave the dll

[steep epoch]

Sounds good, I really appreciate the help

[safe mirage]

I am the latest victim of Blenderisms. ._.

Surely, you know the feeling of a texture not saving when you save the blend file.

[manic marten]

thou shalt blend

[safe mirage]

Finally.

Saved the thing as a PNG.

Rear view.

[cedar pumice]

For now, the 0.33 update is just around the corner, so I need to get ready to fix the mods.

[rapid pilot]

[fair geyser]

Am I a joke to you

[steep epoch]

Legalize nuclear bombs

[fallow barn]

didn't the emoji have a different name before?

[fair geyser]

A while ago, yeah

[fallow barn]

whyd it change?

[ionic charm]

<t:1775073600:R>

[rapid sundial]

would it be possible for someone to make a mod that adds the ufo into the game

[rapid pilot]

sure

[blazing thicket]

something wicked

[rapid pilot]

I have done as much prep for the update as i can for my mods why did i make so many side note im pretty good at ui now and im working on something that should make making custom menus a breeze no promises thow

[rapid pilot]

still very early never made anything like this before but hey im tryin

for anyone confused its to make custom menus for mods really easy

[shy pebble]

that is really really cool !

[ionic charm]

new toys are here! https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1488992920316018788

[main stone]

Can somenone make a mod to let us use ??? After it gets removed

[rugged urchin]

hey guys i need some help with linux setup

[ionic charm]

Sup

[rugged urchin]

just trying to figure out how to install the things needed to get mods working on Cachyos

i thought i did things right but didnt seem to take'

[ionic charm]

It should be that you install the windows version of bepinex and add a launch argument on steam

[rugged urchin]

huh ight let me try that

[ionic charm]

ONLY if you are using Linux OS, add the following to the game’s Steam launch options:
WINEDLLOVERRIDES="winhttp=n,b" %command%

[rugged urchin]

now the next question is i dumped the 2 mods i was wanting to test but really all i wanted to see work first was the FREE FREE FREE mod to do some practice missions with the dogfight mission solo but the plugin isnt seeming to load in on game start

[ionic charm]

Did you edit the bepinex.cfg?

[rugged urchin]

no

[ionic charm]

The info should be available here #1457932420882894901 message

[rugged urchin]

eeh well thanks to a little bit of chattin with the AI overlord ive discovered im using wrong bepin build that being 6 instead of 5.4

[still cypress]

Does anyone have anytips for learning how to make/use the blueprinter mod? it seems intresting but I'm unable to find any information about how it works.

[rapid pilot]

Private I believe

Why are all the blender tutorials so old

[ionic charm]

Blueprinter is still wip, every time i inject a new tester with the project i find a bazillion bugs to fix. There's also zero documentation on how to use it

[rapid pilot]

im working on my own little version can confirm horror show i seem to be fixing an issue just for the fix too create more bugs

i think ill just wait for blueprinter to have a stable release because this is way out my comfort zone godspeed nikkor

[clever blade]

is the guide out of date?

[tawny blade]

Nope

[clever blade]

got it i installed the linux version instead of windows

[rapid pilot]

modding scene appears to be blowing up and my university work is also piling up looks like its time to retire some old mods lol i think i'll continue with the sound mods, rain and vr if anybody has any info on vr let me know so far i have managed to get true 3d cockpits working however they are a bit clippy and framy also got some of the menus too work i have no idea how to display all the usual HUD stuff lol

[still cypress]

I appreciate the advice ill give it some more time before I try to play around with it.

[steep epoch]

There’s rain too??

[rapid pilot]

#1466478023879688213 message

nowhere near finished yet ( maybe never will be lol )

[steep epoch]

Absolute cinema

[rapid pilot]

i made them a new png to use and it looks better its just riddled with issues sometimes scene lighting works sometimes it doesnt sometimes it spawns rain sideways sometimes straight down and so on its not my main focus thats GAS but i play around with rain every so often

[steep epoch]

Is there a mod for menu music?

[rapid pilot]

GAS can change any audio menu and aircraft music included

[steep epoch]

Still has to be an audio file though, right?

[rapid pilot]

Of course and has to match the original file name

[steep epoch]

sounds good, what's the name of the file for the menu music?

[rapid pilot]

I actually don’t know aha you can use assetstudio to find any of the file names thow just look in the tutorial dox

[steep epoch]

alright

thanks a lot man

[rapid pilot]

#1465800205021478975 message
here’s an example of me swapping the ifrits theme

There we go

[steep epoch]

this is so funny lol

I've seen enough, quadruple the defense budget

[rapid pilot]

I love the NO ost’s but swapping them for project wingman music is chefs kiss

[steep epoch]

lowk I need to add like an ace combat zero theme if they ever add an aircraft like the F-15

or just do it for the ifrit

[rapid pilot]

Ternion is hopefully coming after 0.33

[steep epoch]

peak

also if you do have the file still, could you send the custom ifrit theme?

[rapid pilot]

i actually dont sorry its from an old test build of GAS and i deleted all the old test sounds when i got new ones

[velvet wyvern]

I'm trying to follow the Bepinex install instructions, here.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16aRWcrkt89YEn9_THwe9Fxo7AYPLE9SYSab_Y929dvE/edit?tab=t.0

However, on step 7, it doesn't look like any new files are being generated when I run the game, and no BepInEx.cfg file exists.

This is what my game folder currently looks like. Did I misinterpret the instructions and put something in the wrong place?

[velvet wyvern]

Never mind, turns out it was because I was using the x86 version instead of x64

[steep epoch]

Yeah don’t use x86 unless you have a good reason

[eternal pendant]

...............

[mellow grove]

Uuhh.... playing as ships and vehicles is actually super fun in this game...

I was lied to my entire life

[olive arch]

i like sniping helis with the Type-12's railgun lol

[main stone]

I was telling yall all this time

I had a vision

Thıs feature really got me screaming like i have a dream

[mellow grove]

Driving the destroyer had me foaming

[shut glade]

Ships in this is absolutely fun as hell

[mellow grove]

Yea, driving the boats is fun with the physics mechanics, plus there's an insane amount of strategy. Also cool how you can get failed launches so you gotta sail a specific way

If there was a little more micromanagement and better target selection itd be like fully playable

Click and drag target selection would be huge

[shut glade]

My main strat is to use VLS only and intercept missiles.
Cannons and CIWS are automatic but it seems VLS are the only manual vehicle.

[mellow grove]

Im still new to it but VLS S3s will get you out of a lot of situations

[shut glade]

FR

[frozen gazelle]

I'm having some trouble installing bepinex on linux, it just isn't creating any of the folders on launch. I'm using the x64 version, ive put in the launch options on steam, and I've put the executable name in the run.sh. I don't know what could possibly be wrong. Does anyone have any idea how to fix this?

[olive arch]

the difference between the Windows and Linux versions of BepInEx are the games they work with, not the operating systems they work with

the Linux version of BepInEx is for Linux-native games

[frozen gazelle]

So youre saying that bepinex can't be used for non-linux-native games?

[ionic charm]

install the windows version of bepinex and it will work

[frozen gazelle]

Seems like a long shot but ill try it

ohh i see

[ionic charm]

that's just the intended approach. The game is technically windows and runs through proton

[frozen gazelle]

yeah that makes sense

[frozen gazelle]

Tysm it actually worked!

[olive arch]

i was saying that it's not about the operating system BepInEx is compatible with, it's about what operating system the target game is compatible with
as nikkorap said, since Nuclear Option is a Windows game, u have to use the Windows version of BepInEx

[wanton onyx]

@ionic charm Hi just wanted to ask if it's normal that multiplayer lobbies do not appear when blueprinter is installed? This is what it looks like until I remove the blueprinter dll from my plugins folder. Sorry to bug I just have not seen anyone else mention this.

[ionic charm]

Yes, it makes sure only lobbies with compatible content are visible

The modlist is top left

[wanton onyx]

👍 Gotcha, thank you kindly!

[halcyon notch]

The only version of BepInEx that ever works with NuclearOption is the 64-bit Windows version. Nothing else will ever work.

[rapid pilot]

Thanks for everyone willing to participate seems vr is wanted a lot more than I realised lol

[radiant axle]

hello, i’m trying to make a custom aircraft mod for nuclear option but i’m kinda stuck on how the modding part works. i can model the plane already, but i’m not sure how to handle importing or actually getting it into the game. could someone point me in the right direction???

[rapid pilot]

the 2082 discord would be the best place to ask as they handle custom aircraft mainly

[radiant axle]

ok

[solemn patio]

so what exactly is the vr news?

nvm found it, so i was gonna work up some fixes as well, unless you have something already done that makes things a lot better

[blazing thicket]

tooladoo

[blazing thicket]

yea

[soft fiber]

a bit of a design thing when you have both big wings, big LERX, and big stabilators

[blazing thicket]

yuh

[loud rampart]

how to make a custom missile mod .i have model ，but not sure how to make it to the game

[main stone]

Prolly blueprinter

[smoky wraith]

are there any mods for a reticule to dumbfire the rockets

[scenic cradle]

I dont think there's dumbfire rockets in the game, all of them are optically guided

[smoky wraith]

I mean just fire them on targets without locking on

but then again one rocket is too valuable to spam away at *potentially nothing and there's just too few of them, so either way someone will probably have to make a dumbfire rockets mod anyways

[abstract gulch]

isn't there the unguided nuclear rocket?

forgot what its called

[scenic cradle]

the Genie?

[abstract gulch]

i think so

i could be misremembering though

[rapid pilot]

yes its the genie added every april fools update or through json keys and mods

[abstract gulch]

didn't realise it was air to air with a fuze delay that sounds evil 😭

[rapid pilot]

very fun to use i modded it to remove the time fuze and made optical and ir varients very fun broken now thow

[loud rampart]

hmm，how to use that

@daring locust may i ask for blueprinter use？

[rapid pilot]

#announcements message gentlemen, ladies may your will be strong and mental state stronger and may god have mercy on us all

[frigid tendon]

on a monday....

[rapid pilot]

i dont remember who made that quote but seems relevant rn

[rapid pilot]

I have intro to combustion on monday

[frigid tendon]

i just work 7 to 4

[rapid pilot]

i have the new GAS patches and menu patches etc just sat here i have been waiting but still i fear all may break

[storm stone]

This might’ve been asked before, but with Bepinex and all of that installed and the way how the multiplayer thing is now redone, is there any way I can play with my friend who has a un-modded Nuclear Option?

[rapid pilot]

unless your running mods that block multiplayer like a couple of my weapon mods or qol multiplayer will still work if you do use multiplayer blocking mods just take them out of plugins and store them either desktop or in the bepinex folder

bepinex itself does not block multiplayer only certain mods do on purpose

[storm stone]

Oh

I see

The only mods I have is Yappinator and the F-16 mod

[rapid pilot]

neither should block multiplayer as far as im aware

[storm stone]

I read something prior about how Bepinex or something adjusts the multiplayer button thing so you play with people who only have bepinex installed

Either that or I misrememebred and misinterpreted

[ionic charm]

f-16 blocks incompatible lobbies

[ionic charm]

or more specifically blueprinter which f-16 uses does that, so you only see lobbies which have the same content mods loaded

[rapid pilot]

was this always the case? i had tylers cursed weapons mod at one point while still playing online?

[ionic charm]

did the other players have it too?

[storm stone]

o

[rapid pilot]

er no it was the pack from the 2082 server the old one when blueprinter was just coming out i think i had a lot of test mods on but i doubt they would be able to override it?

[oblique bramble]

I want to start moding

how do i do that?

making mods

[stoic tangle]

I first got to say it is very difficult

Second get blueprinter

[rapid pilot]

gamplay mods? not too hard you just need some basic unity and c coding skills took me 4 days to make my first mod with 0 experience. aircraft mods extremely difficult without something like blueprinter and experience in modeling with blender etc

any idea what kind of mod? i could maybe help you a bit

[scenic cradle]

^^ ditto on that it took me a week to understand how it all worked

But then again, I also do software for my studies so background does help. Understanding C# specifically is really useful, and if you know Java the transition over isn’t too hard

There is a modding guide pinned I’d suggest also looking at

[loud rampart]

wanna make a custom aircraft mod but don't have blueprinter:(

[rapid pilot]

im sure nikko and the team are working very hard to get it working last i heard it was riddled with bugs as to be expected from something so advanced as this although blueprinter isnt the hardest part of making an aircraft id say its still possible to make one without blueprinter however the hardest part of making an aircraft for NO is the model and all that comes with it mainly cockpits and damage model specifically

[main stone]

Hello

Could i please have posting permission

[celest sundial]

Has anyone looked into automating custom map voting?

I had some possible security concerns on whether its something I could implement into my servers.

Users would be able to add a steam workshop link that matches the criteria for a no workshop map. The server would fetch it, then copy from workshop folder to server missions folder, then set the mission as next mission.

My only worry is that someone could potentially embed malware into mission files and execute on server.

[raven quarry]

this is a really interesting idea!

i hope it works out

wonder if it's even plausible for workshop missions to have malware like that

[celest sundial]

I wouldnt imagine it being impossible. Ill do some research on whether theres any danger and if it seems safe enough ill create a mod for it

[raven quarry]

dreaming of abusing my mod powers on a server to force a full lobby to suddenly play ibis death races...

[celest sundial]

LMAO

you can do that already lol, just download the map and run your regular map then set the death race to run next and dont tell them lol

[celest sundial]

It seems I wouldnt be able to add the custom voting. It doesn't seem at least on the surface that steam checks for dll files and executables on workshop upload so someone malicious could create a zero day eske malware wrapped map that wouldn't be found as containing malware until the system would already be compromised.

[halcyon notch]

I don't think custom maps can execute code so it wouldhave to be a vulnerability in the map parser

[celest sundial]

Im more worried that someone will throw a dll into the map files

Throw in a dll with the map files and then they can have the dll execute along side the game or anything like when you run your web browser

I guess what I could do instead is a containerization approach.

I can fetch the workshop map and keep it in a quarantined folder. Then scan the folder for any extensions not expected. I can flag any issues there and if they look good then script will proceed to allow the movement to server missions folder

[past dagger]

will everything break in .33 update?
i mean mods

[celest sundial]

Probably a lot of mods will break imo

[scenic cradle]

Yeah

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

MITCH

DONT UPDATE THE LASER DESIGNATOR OR JAMMERS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[ornate mist]

it definitely is possible. it probably isn't a big security concern, but it does mean anyone can upload to the workshop and that file they uploaded does go into my server
so if theres any vulnerability, it can be exploited

[ornate mist]

you can have the code check if its just a json file in there

[celest sundial]

Im definitely going to work on getting this system working for my server panel. Instead of needing 10 missions rotaring with a vote users can instead choose from the same list but have an option to add another map to the queue to vote on.

So almost like a battlefield portal server, the users can generate their own experience and run it on an already populated server with other users to share it with.

[unreal mesa]

So I have started development of the F-106G Omega Viper.
I would provide my multiple write-ups for it, but I've not got time for that yet. However, the short of it is that it's a super souped-up new-build F-106A, featuring new avionics and missiles, and it is built by Avro Canada. It entered BDF service in the late 2060s, when these frames were new. It's got a mad EW suite, and was BDF's frontline EW aircraft before the Medusa entered service in 2071. Some are still in reserve as of 2082, and examples are still rolling off Avro's production lines. It has no stealth shaping or coating, but does have a new engine, new radar, and a new cooling system. more later

[tender lake]

HOLY CRAP BASED!!

also do y'all know how one would make maps if that's possible?

[tender lake]

and if there's a size limit

[rapid pilot]

There two map mods I have not touched either so can’t really say how to use them or if they even do currently work but in theory it’s just adding a new asset

[shut glade]

chat hear me out

if we have modded aircraft

what about modded ships

[quasi mirage]

Hope it's the place to ask but if I have mods installed can I play multiplayer

[rapid pilot]

Pretty sure aryx made one already

[rapid pilot]

Certain mods disable multiplayer

[shut glade]

they only made aircraft

[tender lake]

that'd be interesting lowkey

but like I feel it's more important to experiment with aircraft since, yk, it's a plane game

[shut glade]

imagine a scenario where its a whole manned island vs this monstrocity

[tender lake]

ALICORN MENTIONED

[shut glade]

[tender lake]

https://tenor.com/view/matias-torres-captain-torres-alicorn-ace-combat-7-this-person-is-near-your-house-gif-17624101878185565232

[shut glade]

dude best alicorn mod has to be sea power ong

[quasi mirage]

And sound mods don't disable it I hope

[tender lake]

from what I've heard you can play mp with sound mods yeah

[quasi mirage]

There is an Alicorn Squadron skin for the Revoker on the Steam Workshop

[tender lake]

I wonder if it's possible to make some aircraft faction specific

[quasi mirage]

My crisp white sheets...

[shut glade]

'technically' it is

[tender lake]

if we get more plane mods in the future

[quasi mirage]

wut

[tender lake]

it'd be really cool to have NATO vs Warsaw Pact shi

[quasi mirage]

Bitchin' Betty will always be on 🗣🗣🔥

[tender lake]

nuclear submarines...

[rapid pilot]

Incorrect #community-artwork message

Ground vehicle and boat screenshots have been posted since before aircraft

[shut glade]

That's not released, and as of today, there are no modded ships from what i've seen.

Concept models are one thing but the only modded vehicles we got that are custom modeled are the F-16M, MiG-15, and FQ-106. All of which are aircraft.

Before I get corrected, I am aware the FQ-106 is a "drone" rather than an aircraft. I still see it as an aircraft.

[shut glade]

Meant to ping someone else, mb.

[quasi mirage]

[shut glade]

But a lot of client side mods aremultiplayer compatable with some exceptions.

Like the NOAutopilot being favored in some servers and disliked on other servers.

[tender lake]

cause I feel like really really REALLY big maps would fit this game

after all, this is nuclear war with missiles

we have a lot of ordnance that can be launched from far away

would also give bombers a way to arrive without having to scrape treetops

[shut glade]

Anyway I mean to say technically this is possible depending on what game mode it's for.

Like for example, the carrier battle scenario has faction specific vehicles for each factions carriers, and those carriers are faction specific.

Boscali having the Annex, and PALA having the Hyperion.

https://nuclearoption.wiki.gg/wiki/Aircraft
Here you can see the aircraft which factions they're assigned to.

[oblique bramble]

I want to make a mod where in the map you can see who(alles) is targeting what, so taht you don't actually end up wasting missiles

[frigid tendon]

time to update NOX right before a major game update

(adding scripting for RWR displays)

[quick cloak]

I have a bug where repeated player (and maybe ai) aircraft spawns permanently block the spawns at an airport
Is a mod or a mod combo known for this bug?

[wary crown]

I think I gotta reinstall everything manually. NOMM moves the mod files around in the plugins as intended, but the game starts up as vanilla.

[scenic cradle]

what mods do you have?

worst case just trial and error by disabling mods one by one to see whats causing it

[quick cloak]

quite a lot

[frigid tendon]

lua scripting, that is

[wary crown]

I miss that game man, I was blown away seeing early gameplay and physics simulations as a kid

[tender lake]

helicopterrrrr

[rapid pilot]

you would need something like blueprinter to make them functional and it isnt public atm sadly. Adding custom aircraft etc without bleuprinter is possible however takes considerably longer. if you just want to add them as static models extremely easy you just use unity assetbundles and write a loader that adds them to the encyclopedia i managed to make a plugin that does this in under an hour. bottom line is props very very easy - fully usuable aircraft, vehicles gun emplacements etc very hard

[tender lake]

F-14 mod is all I ask of the great modders of this server 🙏🏼

[rapid pilot]

as far as im aware blender and blueprinter are the go to at the moment but until blueprinters stable release its more effort than its worth. if its purely props your going for i could possibly send you a lil plugin to add them but if its full playable assets sadly not

[shut glade]

Probably gonna have to wait for that to be added to the game vanilla wise because of those folding wings mod flight.

[dusky willow]

Nuclear Option has suddenly started stubbornly refusing to boot with mods

Worked yesterday, doesn't today

[shut glade]

2 mutual friends in common lol

[shut glade]

Like is it just vanilla?

And what mods do you have installed?

[dusky willow]

Nevermind, I did a fresh (manual) reinstall and it worked. It's weird, though, reinstalling BepInEx didn't fix it when done through NOMM

[shut glade]

[dusky willow]

Wonder what's up with that, though

[shut glade]

Do you have QoL installed?

[dusky willow]

No

Side note, this started appearing and I don't know how to get rid of it

[rapid pilot]

You can import 3d models to unity and use in game assets to see size difference etc I’m pretty sure unity has an auto scale thow not 100% sure modelling is actually what I struggle with lol what are the models saved as? As in format

[shut glade]

I would recommend it since it also shows the mod loading states when you first load into the game.

Vehicle mods like MoG/F-16 are red but they'll still function normally.

[dusky willow]

It doesn't seem to require QoL for that, they pop up regardless

[rapid pilot]

If you’d like I could rig up a test plugin to see if your props are compatible I’m no expert at modelling but I am able to import custom assets and If your props do work I’m more than happy to port them in they would be great for cinematics and custom airbases etc

[oblique bramble]

I'm curious, how much of a online game is client sided and how much of it is server sided?

[elfin quartz]

most stuff is handled by the host, with the exception of the player aircraft pretty much, and I think units connected via slingload to your aircraft as well

ships, missiles, ground units, are all handled by the host/server in most cases

[elfin quartz]

guns are handled on all sides individually for the tracers, but the bullets that actually do damage are handled on the owner of the gun in most cases, so server for anything that isn't a player, unless the gun has a flag checked which will force it to simulate on the server instead

[rapid pilot]

Mind if I drop you a dm? I only need some small things from you whenever your free

[steep epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-time-rabbit-gif-9497165517404307883

Update on the 13th

The bell tolls for modders

[rapid pilot]

My university just dumped huge workloads on us I can’t do this

[scenic cradle]

My ass with an exam this monday and then another exam the week after

[rapid pilot]

my uni casually were just like "oh hey by the way you need to understand everything about material sicence by friday" like oh yeah cool no worries

[scenic cradle]

felt

just with DBMS and Finite Automata

Granted DBMS is easy memorizing the calculations for i/o with pages of memory is the part thats beating my ass

[ornate mist]

hope the devs list out the API changes in the backend for modders

[celest sundial]

Ability for users to add their own workshop maps to voting is added in The Underground servers

Took some security based tweaks but its here!

[rapid pilot]

hmmm calling cards, trash talking ai and now map votes my old call of duty dream is nearly complete

[rapid pilot]

this is very cool didnt realise it was linked to discord

[celest sundial]

Theres security based features/checks that need to be added with it

it should reject all downloads that arent workshop maps and files that shouldn't belong to a worskhop map.

mod only moves valid mission files outside of quarantined folder where nothing can execute. Otherwise it would be a pretty big vulnerability. So someone cant just stuff a dll into a mission file then have the server download it

[rapid pilot]

i had a look into networking stuff seems like dark magic.....

[celest sundial]

Creating server mods like this is interesting

I have the mod write to the webhook on sucessful downloads and fails so i know if someone is trying to find an attack surface in the downloader and alerts me if the quarantine scan found any files inside of a workshop map that arent supposed to be there. Powershell script, python script, etc

[rapid pilot]

python is gods gift to man

[olive arch]

now imagine the entire Heartland vs. this

[soft fiber]

Nimbus for land attack

[waxen owl]

Had to quit modding, too many competition

[drowsy hornet]

i wonder if... if given the right tools, can we make an advanced b29 ?

[ionic charm]

anything's possibly with the right tools

[drowsy hornet]

gasp :D but i don't have them :s

[scenic cradle]

[quasi mirage]

Is there a mod for only separate chaff/ecm button? i know there's one thay does this but I can't make it work and i don't like the other featuresbos the mod...

[raven quarry]

#1457938330153910440 message shilling my own guide to doing it with NOTT, I guess

that's why I posted it there after all

though you may be talking about NOTT when you say you don't like the other features

in that case I'm not sure you can be helped

[quasi mirage]

yeah that's my main issue

oh well, still thank you for answering

[raven quarry]

the config for NOTT should allow you to turn everything off, what features were present that you did not like?

[quasi mirage]

the cockpit MFD and hud change

i could figure out hud but not MFDs

[raven quarry]

can you be more specific about what MFD changes were troubling you?

i bet george would provide more options to disable things if necessary, so i'm curious what the issue was

[raven quarry]

this is what it looks like for me and I know I can turn off the thing on the right (and the info is duplicated elsewhere on my screen too) but maybe some of the targeting cam stuff isn't optional? uncertain

[quasi mirage]

the weapon change window

that really bugs me XD

[raven quarry]

i believe i know what you're talking about! that one can be turned off

i know i have it turned off in mine, it shows in the corner for me tho

lemme experiment with turning it off and on real quick so I can remember how it works lmao

[raven quarry]

set it up like this and you can turn that off

[tender lake]

can someone make it so there's a way to fire multiple types of guns at once

I don't wanna swap between different calibers all the time

I just wanna let it rip

[scenic cradle]

Base game already, you have to just link your guns

[tender lake]

how does one do that

[scenic cradle]

it should be a keybind you can set in the settings

[tender lake]

oh wait nvm just checked the controls

thanks

[steep epoch]

That’s so nice

I have 4 final exams after two weeks😭

The uni hates us

3 of them are back to back to back

[celest sundial]

Has anyone looked into adding voice lines for the game?

Seems like it would be feasible by having a mod where users can inject a start dialog objective and run a local Ai model that can do the voice generation locally.

Or users can upload their own mp3s and assign it to that start dialog obj

[tawny blade]

Or you can use a text-to-speech to play these voice lines.

Or have them be prerecorded

[scenic cradle]

I think WSO yapper does something like this?

[shut glade]

what

[shut glade]

I don't understand what you're getting at

[abstract gulch]

but they are completely different games no? with a completely different community correct me if im wrong

and also why would they add official modding tools and such if the game itself is still in early access?

it would just be a pain in the ass for modders to have to constantly fix their mods because obviously the game is going to get a ton of more updates

[shut glade]

Probably because this game is still relatively early in development still. Aside from other games that die from the neglect of modders, this game does account for mods, and even, as of now, has a channel dedicated to mods like vehicles and quality improvements.

This game, is still relatively new, it's still being worked upon, and it's not denying modding as a scene. They just haven't polished it to support mods not breaking after updates. It's like sea power for example. It didn't support custom assets in the early version till the community started finding ways to easily make a lot of mods, polished it, and then devs later made tools to support those mods to make it no longer rely on external loaders for custom assets and made the worship more functional for any kind of mods.

Every game that heavily fore through mods go through this. Mods are heavily early testing, the game isn't "ready" for it, and then soon they'll have tools to let mods support longer survivability without breaking. The dev team completely supports mods and acknowledged them to have their own channel so it's easier for modders to share mods on here, and I feel as if that's not the situation in your "crisis" games situation where they were "walked over"

[ionic charm]

More modding support is on the roadmap!

Speaking of mods, modding is going to take a backseat for me for a bit so if anyone has interest in adopting any of my mods then let me know! (I'll still try to keep blueprinter working tho)

[shut glade]

I might lowkey start getting into modding

[elfin quartz]

basic modding isnt really that hard, you just need an understanding of how the game systems work, which https://github.com/ManlyMarco/RuntimeUnityEditor is good for

a good chunk of mods are open source so you can also just figure out how certain things can be done from there

[halcyon notch]

'This gets misconstrued as arrogance, but in reality it's this.' That is the most arrogant statement on the planet, bro.

[rapid pilot]

#announcements message congrats fellas glad you are all on the team

[shut glade]

Why did bro delete their message? 😭

[rapid pilot]

there's no rewards for modding other than thanks and praise so i don't see it as competition if there's no prize to each their own thow i suppose. i'd encourage you to return if willing even if the mod helps 1 person out its worth it in my eyes

[halcyon notch]

Some people do openly compare mods and modders, though not many

[soft fiber]

like power scaling but for

idk actually

[rapid pilot]

pretty sad tbf i'd never view others in regards to their modding ability the fact that they actively wanted to share just purely to help others is enough for me

[rapid pilot]

This is like the doomsday clock for modders

[shut glade]

2 hours?

[rapid pilot]

20?

[drowsy hornet]

Was probably taken yestersday

[rapid pilot]

nope its a live counter

https://www.instagram.com/shockfrontstudios?igsh=ZjBtaWlzaTJ0cGkz

The release is in Australian eastern time so I think 9 hours ahead of Europe and like 20 ish ahead of America?

[tawny blade]

can't wait for this to break ❤️

[rapid pilot]

very cool

[tawny blade]

it's not even finished, half this stuff is just MVP for the few testing it. already have 3 things for the bug report

how are you holding up?

[scenic cradle]

One silver lining is that it’s only a few hours after my exam is done so I can just head home and immediately get to debugging if my stuff is broken lmao

[rapid pilot]

finished all the patches for GAS and its new features just tidying up my new menus and deciding what mods are getting the axe lol

[tawny blade]

nice

[rapid pilot]

you ready for the update lol

[tawny blade]

nope, but i think some of the stuff will live

we'll see

[rapid pilot]

hahahaha very true

[scenic cradle]

At the moment are there any mods or has anyone tried messing with tying weapons to specific score/ranks?

like, for example, you need to be rank 5 to start slinging GPO-500s around and whatnot (very poor example for what I want to do but its what came to mind first)

[steep epoch]

7 hours

[pliant ore]

which mod adds those piledriver booster missiles that end up getting mounted to every ai aircraft

i should really start using a mod manager 😭

oh i found it i think

[tawny blade]

Nomm is the best one. Flat out

[manic marten]

Update thou art in the making,
Hallowed be thy changelog.
Thy release will be done on client,
As it is done on server.
Give us this day our quarterly update,
And forgive us our incompatible mods, 
As we forgive those who make mods incompatible with ours.
And lead us not into crashes to desktop,
But deliver us from memory leaks,
For thine are the gamestate,
And the machine spirit.
For ever, Amen.

[indigo wharf]

There's a mod "Boscali Ocean Training Exercise"
that adds playable ships. Does anyone knows how can I spawn Hyperion? Because for some reason only Shard, Dynamo and OTB are available

Found mod on NOMM and can't find its thread here, no info on git and I don't know where to ask

[manic marten]

#1488992920316018788

i think its a joint thread between KAR and BOTE

[shut glade]

#1488992920316018788 is the mod.

You can only spawn the Hyperion at docks attached to airfield as if its their own hangar for ships. They cannot be spawned on other ships.

[indigo wharf]

Docks can be placed only in mission editor, or i can "spawn" them from tula or smth else?

anyway thx for info

[shut glade]

Iirc only on the editor, unless there's a ground vehicle on KAR that can spawn a point for it.

[scenic cradle]

Amen

[molten rock]

You can create a ship dock with an LCAC using FOB making mechanic -

1. Select the LCAC
2. Go to cargo options and tick on the FOB
3. Deploy, sail over to your preferred FOB location (you can also deploy it in middle of the sea btw)
4. Press the assigned keybind for selecting the FOB, deploy it using the deployment keybind
5. Build airbase center, ship dock, and whatever else you have budget for
6. press "Finalize"

This should build the FOB with ship docks at which you'll be able to spawn any ship you want

Mind you when you spawn at the dock, you'll be on full ahead and will be facing towards the solid part of the dock, so you better act fast

[ionic charm]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-bourne-gif-22698046

[lean silo]

Hello, I recently bought NO on the steam deck and was wondering if there was anything specific I would need to do to be able to install mods for it since it runs on Linux

[ionic charm]

nothing much, just download windows version of bepinex and add a launch argument on steam. the install instructions in the pins should cover it

[lean silo]

Cool, thank you very much

[storm stone]

is there a way for me to un-mod my game? I have Blueprinter and sort installed

do I just put it in a file elsewhere?

[scenic cradle]

you pull the files out of the plugins folder

NOMM will place it in a disabled folder I think, but you can just store it somewhere else if you dont have it installed

[wary cosmos]

wonder if anything's broken with the new update

[drifting mantle]

holy shit, I guess they got some ideas from QOTL

[frigid tendon]

time to see the damage...

[formal lake]

Mig-15 and F-16 elevator controls got weird from the update

[frigid tendon]

alright all UI stuff broke

epic

MissingMethodException: Method not found: UnityEngine.RectTransform NuclearOption.MissionEditorScripts.DataDrawerHelper.AsRectTransform(UnityEngine.Transform) yeah that'd do it

[elfin quartz]

mitch changing method and variable names randomly to mess with us:

[fair geyser]

#development-blog message

[frigid tendon]

MissingMethodException: Method not found: void NuclearOption.MissionEditorScripts.DataDrawerHelper.SetRectSize(UnityEngine.Component,UnityEngine.Vector2)
UnityEngine.GameObject:Internal_AddComponentWithType(GameObject, Type)
UnityEngine.GameObject:AddComponent(Type)
UnityEngine.GameObject:AddComponent()
NOX.Hooks.RWRHud:Prefix(HeadMountedDisplay) (at /home/sam/Nu-Projects/NO-Squads/NOX/Hooks/RWRHud.cs:24)
HeadMountedDisplay:DMD<HeadMountedDisplay::Start>(HeadMountedDisplay)

(Filename: /home/sam/Nu-Projects/NO-Squads/NOX/Hooks/RWRHud.cs Line: 24)

NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at NOX.Hooks.RWRHud.Prefix (HeadMountedDisplay __instance) [0x00059] in /home/sam/Nu-Projects/NO-Squads/NOX/Hooks/RWRHud.cs:26 
  at (wrapper dynamic-method) HeadMountedDisplay.DMD<HeadMountedDisplay::Start>(HeadMountedDisplay)

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-disintegration-meme-ai-meme-funny-gif-5585270952676380091

tbh i was using weird methods anyways

oh they still exist

victory

we ball

[scenic cradle]

legit me when I found out that vetweapons had the Loadout loadout param changed to requestedLoadouts for some reason

but why did they do that

[frigid tendon]

all the extension methods i was using because i was lazy got moved to NuclearOption

how it feels to have already updated your mod

[scenic cradle]

🤝

[frigid tendon]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

can't make a new release

because i got logged out of my github account

and forgot my password

i will have the head of bill gates on a pike inshallah

[scenic cradle]

rip 💀

[frigid tendon]

wait, still logged in on my laptop

hold up

also damn i'm gonna need to ship a lua dll with NOX now

for Upcoming Features™

getting to put "[0.33]" beside my mod's post title

[oblique bramble]

i wonder how the update affects other mods

[frigid tendon]

i am surprised how little it broke

on my end

i'll do some code cleanup tomorrow when i get home from work, and continue work on squads and the scriptable RWRs

[scenic cradle]

I should probably get cracking on some other projects ive backlogged for 0.33

[finite lark]

Whats the best way to go back to vanilla without deinstalling everything? I'm not using the mod manager btw

[scenic cradle]

take everything out of your plugins folder and place it somewhere else temporarily

[finite lark]

Can I just move the whole plugins folder?

[scenic cradle]

probably could just rename it

and then make a new plugins folder?

[finite lark]

Alr thx

[halcyon notch]

Rename winhttp.dll to winhttp.dll.dis

BepInEx won't load

[rapid pilot]

touch wood i think all my future proofing paid off nothing seems broken

[halcyon notch]

AtomicFramework works without modification as far as I can tell

[rapid pilot]

i have been playing around with atomic for MTC hopefully gonna test it soon

[drifting mantle]

2022?!?!?!?

[manic marten]

To all modders, pls signal compatibility of your mods with current game version in your forum thread title so its easier to keep track and update NOMNOM, thanksssss

[frigid tendon]

already 5 parallel universes ahead of you

[dusky willow]

Wonder if anyone's gonna end up making a mod to re-add the UFO

[halcyon notch]

The AIR-2 is never removed from the code, and given how involved the UFO probably was, I wouldn't be surprised if it is also retained.

[halcyon notch]

Nevermind it's just in the game

[manic marten]

this way you don't have to rollback via steamcmd if you want to access april fools content

[red raft]

Foresight in game development? Dayum

You guys are a dying breed

[toxic tusk]

Is anyone entering spectator mode at the selected base instead of entering the chosen aircraft?

[manic marten]

<@&1457927352783863829> Hey fellow Modders! If you can, please include the supported game version in the Title of your mods' forum thread like this.
It will make it much easier for me to update the supported game version of all mods on NOMNOM 😇
Many of you have already done it, so thank you very much! 🍻

[rotund scroll]

Since when I have modder role

[fathom stratus]

oh cool i'm a modder

[drowsy hornet]

hi a modder. am tomoko

[dapper mortar]

Is there a particular strength of one of the mod managers over the other one?

[drowsy hornet]

i find nomm ergonomical. and it can update actual mods for some

[fallen hedge]

How can I configure some mods?

[oblique bramble]

uhhh

i saw some guy going 1000+ knots in a compass

how is that possible?

[frigid tendon]

gaming chair

[scenic cradle]

fed primevan super sauce to compass

[olive arch]

u can either do it through a text editor or install the BepInEx Configuration Manager to open an in-game menu

[fallen hedge]

Could you please send me the download or the link? (I couldn't find the download anywhere :( )

[olive arch]

https://github.com/BepInEx/BepInEx.ConfigurationManager

[fallen hedge]

Does it have to be something specific? Or will any one do?

[olive arch]

depends on what version of BepInEx ur using
ur probably using BepInEx 5

[fallen hedge]

so it would be the first

[burnt flare]

if a mod does not specify a game version does that mean it is not version dependent?

[olive arch]

either that or the creator never bothered to list it

[rapid pilot]

No mods are not game version dependant the version tags just show if they have been updated or not

[manic marten]

the first one, BepInEx5_v18.4.1.zip

[rigid yacht]

Hey I just created a mod and want to add it onto this mod forum

Is there anything I should do first?

[manic marten]

#submit-a-ticket to ask for modder role

[oblique bramble]

which mod can this be from?

[manic marten]

its not from a mod

[west forum]

Is it technically possible to make new maps through BepInNex

[scenic cradle]

its been explored I think

[edgy coral]

Updated my F-16 mod to 0.33 if it's marked as 0.32 on the manager

[rapid pilot]

kind off there is a loader and test map but currently thats it i believe

[scenic cradle]

yeah

its partially why I said explored and leftit at that

[torn marlin]

Has anyone made a mod that makes you able to buy/spawn a unit and make the AI resupply somewhere on the battlefield or something like that?

[halcyon notch]

The way NuclearOption loads maps is very freaky imho, but with sufficient infrastructure anything is possible

[scenic cradle]

You’ll probably need blueprinter

Whenever that goes public

But I know Aryx is making a dedicated guide for importing aircraft/making them

[oblique bramble]

No mods work, literally

[ionic charm]

did you edit bepinex.cfg to change HideManagerGameObject to true?

[oblique bramble]

nope

[velvet wyvern]

Modders, get on this shit

[oblique bramble]

[Chainloader]

## If enabled, hides BepInEx Manager GameObject from Unity.
## This can fix loading issues in some games that attempt to prevent BepInEx from being loaded.
## Use this only if you know what this option means, as it can affect functionality of some older plugins.
## 
# Setting type: Boolean
# Default value: false
HideManagerGameObject = false

[ionic charm]

i recommend doing that

[oblique bramble]

it workssssss

thanks!

i have no idea why it suddenly stopped working

but it works now!!

[west forum]

How so?

[west forum]

Is it a mod on Nomm? Or is there a thread Ibcan follow?

[manic marten]

#1471285783955771576

its also on nomm

[west forum]

Alright so my guess is Devs will release the blueprinter and some sort of support for custom maps soon ™
Cause this has been asked a lot anyways I do with what I have and what I have is enough for now

[manic marten]

I'll do a sweep today to catch up on the version updates! Thank you

(I should write a discord bot lmao)

[stable eagle]

Hello! Does anyone know of there's a mod that lets you hold a button and look at the selected target? Something akin to holding Y in Ace Combat?

[manic marten]

the "center view" can already do this for you, its just not "button hold"
lock a target, then center view will cycle between padlock view and recentering

[stable eagle]

Thank you!

[harsh blade]

is there a sound that plays during high g turns? looking to change that sound for something

[rapid pilot]

my sound mod lets you change any sound in the game it also has some extra features like a callout for high g turns https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1478979322466271232

[harsh blade]

yeee thats what im using but i want to add like a strained breathing kind of sound

not change "stall" warning

like when ur screen starts to blackout

and possibly normal breathing too

[rapid pilot]

breathing is actually coming in the next patch haha didnt say it yet cause its very early doors but it will be linked directly to blackout

[harsh blade]

ahh

okay thanks ill keep it in mind

[rapid pilot]

i dont think ive seen another capable of it yet audio mods seem very niche

[chrome pollen]

I've been having trouble getting BepinEx to work and i swear i'm not stupid i mod and know how to follow instructions.

I think it's because I already have melonloader for third person hud mod and that came with a "version.dll" that might not be letting bepinex work properly.

anyone know if this is true? do i have to delete melonloader cus i do like the 3rd person hud mod :(

sadge, confirmed it was melonloader. i will check if i can get third person hud another way then

[manic marten]

don't use multiple loaders

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1466620964614705277

here

[chrome pollen]

Yeah when i thought about it for more than a second i realised i had one already

[manic marten]

bepinex version of thirdperson hud

[chrome pollen]

epic! ty

[manic marten]

99% of nuclear option mods use bepinex

[lean vigil]

how does one go about creating an aircraft mod for NO? i have a lot of experience working on my own games in unity and working in C#, so that won't be a problem but i'm trying to understand how NO handles their aircraft assets

specifically i'm doing a light attack helicopter for PALA similar to the ah6

[rapid pilot]

currently the only people making aircraft mods are those with blueprinter however it isnt public so your next best bet would be either wait it out for release or take the current aircarft apart and see how everything works i have so far managed to clone the fs20 and re use some of its logic on a brand new model but its riddled with issues

[tawdry latch]

How do mods interact with unmodded servers? Are you just unable to join? or does it depend on the mod?

[edgy coral]

you have to have the same mods in order to join

if you have non-client mods unmodded servers won’t even show in the browser

[scenic cradle]

Mods that add new content like new aircraft and weapons shouldn’t be used on servers due to causing desync and other problems as the host (server) doesn’t have them.

Client side mods like betterPip, NOTT, and NOX can be used regardless as they’re only affecting the client and nothing the host’s computer would need to handle

[tawdry latch]

thanks!

[cedar pilot]

i may need some help i followed all instructions for bepinex and put my mods into plugins folder nothing shows up ingame

[rapid pilot]

done this?

[cedar pilot]

yup

[rapid pilot]

screenshot of folder structure pls

should look like this

[rapid pilot]

1 quick issue is you dont habe blueprinter so neither the mig 15 or f16 will work the other thing is i dont think qol and kar are compatible im not 100% sure so ill double check real quick

[cedar pilot]

alr

[rapid pilot]

https://github.com/nikkorap/NOBlueprinter-Releases/releases/tag/1.8.17 grab this it should allow the f16 and mig 15 then temporarily take qol and kar out then see if the f16 and mig 15 show up

[scenic cradle]

You know, when will blueprinter documentation come out? Is there any ETA or is it still a TBD?

[cedar pilot]

somehow everything works now somehow with blueprint also qol and kar tyyy!!

[rapid pilot]

TBD something as big as blueprinter is incomparable to other mods its not just a run of the mill dll its a custom unity enviroment i myself am trying to do something similar and the hurdles are never ending the other thing is nikko is a developer now so im not saying for sure but im guessing development of it will slow down

[scenic cradle]

fair fair, I know Aryx is doing some documentation for making your own airplanes as well.

Also what do you mean by custom unity environment?

[rapid pilot]

you basically build the aircraft in unity then package it in unity and blueprinter loads it in game

thats my running theory atleast and is how my asset creator works

[scenic cradle]

I think thats how it works from what ive seen from Ary'x devblog channel

[rapid pilot]

im not experienced with unity or blender and just about have my feet with coding and I can confidently say its all witchcraft and black magic if you asked me how my asset loader worked I honestly couldn't fully tell you

[scenic cradle]

Are you vibing it?

[rapid pilot]

ai can barely name my mods correctly half the time lol i dont even wanna imagine what its attempt at something like this would be yesterday i asked it to rename a bunch of new addons for GAS i told it exactly what to change and what to change it too it completely ignored me and just started typing whatever it felt like

ai is good at explaining things but not fully alot of the time it will lie or just give made up info or it finds very outdated tutroials so there is ui mismatches

and all the good unity tutorials are made not in english so its hellish but such is modding i suppose

[scenic cradle]

that is true

At the least there is autotranslate for yt so there's some way to still get something out of it

(even if it's kinda bad voice wise)

[manic marten]

i automatically "do not recommend channel" everything that is ai dubbed
I can't deal with the voice

[rapid pilot]

i was watching a unity tutorial on particles when i was working on rain for the first time and it just started screaming for no apparent reason, weirdly its really good at korean but i just use subtitles now

[scenic cradle]

Yeah honestly better

I’ve had a decent experience with it

But, yeah nah I can’t even argue that it is fairly dogshit

[rapid pilot]

Honestly most unity tutorials I’ve found either are 6 hours long or 4 minutes one explains too much the other expects me to have built unity myself

[halcyon notch]

BepInEx has compatible versions for UnityModManager and maybe MelonLoader. You can always check the github

[quartz folio]

Am I stupid or why it doesn't generating files after I open the game once, what am I doing wrong. I mean, tbf to begin with after downloading both x64 and x86 I see only part of the needed files stated... So probably due of that?

Idk I am kinda stupid a little bit, sorry.

When I donwload either of the versions, this is the only stuff I see when I open the folder itself. I tried to stick it in as I understood, placing them directyly into that folder with them automatically doing stuff later, but it seems to be not enough or something. Idk.

[manic marten]

don't download the x86

you need x64

even better

use #1467341462227124305

[quartz folio]

Downloaded those 2

[manic marten]

and it will install it for you

[quartz folio]

Well x64 doesn't work either

Ah

It's now easy to do that

[manic marten]

are you on linux?

[quartz folio]

I kinda late to the party I guess

No, windows

[manic marten]

then why are you downloading the linux version

[quartz folio]

I thought it said to install this one.

I used the link at the very top

Well, guide

[manic marten]

you need the windows version of bepinex regardless of platform

and the x64 at that

[quartz folio]

Well I used the top link guide which have led me there

[manic marten]

this?

@daring locust why does your guide say to try the x86 version of bepinex

[quartz folio]

Yeah

I tried both x64 and x86 though

Both doesn't contain needed files

[manic marten]

you need the win_x64 version

forget about linux version

[quartz folio]

But I am using the mod manager thing now hopefully would help

Oh wait I just realized the difference

[manic marten]

the linux version of bepinex is specifically for apps that run natively on linux

[quartz folio]

Well, all tech support comes down to stupidity of a man I guess

[manic marten]

for nuclear option, that is only useful for the linux-native dedicated server binaries

[quartz folio]

No no I know those are different things I just doesn't read the names properly for whatever reason, probably due of being lost sort of a bit

Okay it might be easier to just do it manually I guess. I mean shouldn't be any issues anymore now I guess

[manic marten]

if it still doesn't work even after installing NOMM, try to remove any traces of bepinex from your game directory

and then run NOMM again

[quartz folio]

I meant manually as without NOMM

Because it's even more confusing

Manual got instruction at least which already proves to be useful as it does worked

[quartz folio]

I read that you need a blueprint or something for mods to work?

I assume place them together with the main thing right?

Like same KAR it has download and blueprint, so just put both into the plugin

[manic marten]

NOMM will download every dependency a mod needs to run

[quartz folio]

How does one installs NOMM than 😭

It's just a plain file for me

[manic marten]

mods that add extra aircraft/vehicle/ship will download blueprinter automatically, etc

#1467341462227124305 its in the pin

https://github.com/Combat787/NOMM/releases/tag/3.1.0
download the .msi or the portable zip

[quartz folio]

Yeah, so I pressed Downloads and chose the top one which doesn't seem to be cut on linux/win

[manic marten]

you will need to let windows defender to unblock it

because the executable is unsigned

[quartz folio]

Well what do I do than here

msi?

[manic marten]

and then you can just install mods

[quartz folio]

Do I download msi from here?

[manic marten]

yup as I stated above, you can download the .msi or the portable zip

the .msi will install the app to your user profile and put the icon in the start menu etc etc
the portable you can just put unzip and run from anywhere on your computer

[quartz folio]

Well I guess I got it, just need to get the mods downloaded to see if they do work

We are crashing the game with this one! 🗣️ 🔥 🔥

Guess not?

Well I guess it worked yeah okay, thank you

[manic marten]

also remember that some mods may be incompatible with each other or otherwise broken, so if your game starts randomly crashing or otherwise misbehaving , its probably because of that

[daring locust]

fixed, thanks

i'm not sure where that came from, i think it just happened to be the solution for like one person ever

[magic belfry]

Anyone please help, im trying to instal BepInEx in my nuclear option folder but for some reason it doesnt shows me the mod managers and it neither installs the files

[wanton onyx]

Hiya, so is anyone up for making a mod to toggle the tail hook? Someone was able to do a similar thing for the airbrake...
https://github.com/Assassin1076/NuclearOptionMiscMods/tree/master/ClientSide/ManualAirbrake
been thirsting for this for a while. Please & thank-you

[rapid pilot]

Download msi and install it it will install bepinex for you

https://github.com/Combat787/NOMM/releases/tag/3.1.0

[waxen owl]

PLEASEEE DIEEE!!

[rapid pilot]

use config manager to bind it to whatever you want, its preset to H but ye config manager can change it anything

[shut veldt]

Anyone know why mods installed with NOMM does not work? I've got the steam launch option command typed in, the bepinex cofig is set to true, and the mods are in the plugins folder.

I've tried all but the deb version (as I have no idea what to do with it), and the rpm version is the only one I can get to launch the game from within NOMM. And I can't seem to find any guides for how to install it on linux (bazzite).
Has been solved.

[wanton onyx]

Beautiful!! Thank you!

[rapid pilot]

np anytime

[wanton onyx]

Small problem... I can't get your mod to work. I wonder if I'm doing something wrong. I press H and checked the config manager but it doesn't appear in the menu.

[rapid pilot]

screenhot of your plugins folder pls

[wanton onyx]

I cleared it out in case there were conflicts

[rapid pilot]

ye my bad lol here this one 100% works

[frigid tendon]

decompiling the game again award

[wanton onyx]

It's perfect! Many, many thanks for me this makes a huge difference.

[rapid pilot]

No worries have fun

[frigid tendon]

about to commit a great sin to override MAWS sounds

[frigid tendon]

glueless

LMFAO

MY SIDES ARE IN LOW EARTH ORBIT

[frigid tendon]

well it sure worked

btw i should now be able to set the MAWS/RWR sounds on a per-aircraft basis

[frigid tendon]

OH GOD

IT DOESN'T STOP WHEN YOU EXIT THE MISSION

yeah i'll need to make some fixes for long sounds

[rapid pilot]

Erm you could use GAS lol https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1478979322466271232

[frigid tendon]

per-aircraft?

lol

i wanted RWR/MAWS sounds to be linked to the RWR

if i get good audio clips, i'm making the cricket RWR sound like the tornado's RWR

[tawny blade]

Do you want some bms sounds, or is this just for testing?

[frigid tendon]

this is just for testing for now

[rapid pilot]

ah i tested per aircraft but decided it causes too much complication i re used the system for the radarblip fall backs lol

[frigid tendon]

yippie

[frigid tendon]

yerp

[celest sundial]

I know its possible to join servers via LAN doing a command line method but im looking into creating a mod where at the main menu of the game there will be a LAN server browser.

[scenic cradle]

LAN party like its 2009

[tawny blade]

hmmmmmmm

[scenic cradle]

TWS/Track warning?

[tawny blade]

Stt warning, but i should probably expand that to TWS so that the rwr is actually useful.

Wanting to push a single audio clip to it's limits just to make a more detailed rwr with no extra files.

[frigid tendon]

honestly adding more audio files has been pretty shrimple

[tawny blade]

It is

I just had the dumb idea to push a single blip to it's breaking point

[frigid tendon]

i have been using audacity to make sounds for the RWRs

gonna make it so the canonically PALA and canonically BDF aircraft have different tones Eventually(tm)

[magic belfry]

late but, it just works now for some reason it just works

[wary crown]

@manic marten Was the Unofficial VR mod thread deleted recently? I apologize for the ping, I didn’t have Panda’s username info.

[manic marten]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1267296334294159430 no but OP hasn't moved to #1457927084587483260 yet so its in #1130830373937492050 where mod threads used to live

[wary crown]

Thanks for locating it for me, I thought I was going crazy