Ability to turn off IFF

[junior wind]

hear me out

when or if we get control dials(press a button, opens a wheel, select which thing you want to do), this could be added as we don't really have enough controller space rn

Purpose:

Add depth to the battlefield as one would be able to turn off IFF and sneak past enemies to attack units, but running the risk of friendly fire or being spotted turning it off.
this would also give an opening for un ID'd targets, would say unknown -aircraft-, and also give an opening for aircraft to be mis ID'd as another aircraft, so if an aircraft with a similar RCS of another could be confused with said other until visually ID'd.

Possible Counterarguments:
not having a place in NO's sim lite gameplay

can't really see any other reason not to like it
also if you're gonna downvote it at least give a reason

[real gale]

anyone with IFF off is getting a missile automatically, I fail to see how this would add anything

also turning IFF off just confuses your own team, the enemy would still see you as an enemy lmao

[brave mason]

That's not how iff works

[real gale]

turning IFF off doesn’t change a damn thing on the enemies radar display lol

[manic coyote]

you'll just have 14 scimitars fired at you for no benefit
radars are omnipresent and you'll get picked up on opticals sooner or later

[brave mason]

No to you, I'm talking about the post

[grand kelp]

yea you cant just turn iff off and become neutral lol

[junior wind]

my reasoning for this is it makes you as a target not a definitive enemy so the enemy(from your pov) has to think twice(if they want to value airframes) giving you a bit more time to use as breathing room and maybe survive

prolly should’ve done more research on how iff works before posting this so mb

[grave sable]

Lemme give you a simple scenario

Let's say you turned off your IFF transponder for whatever reason

Allied Medusa interrogates your IFF, you do not respond

Allied Medusa TMA shows that you're moving at transonic speeds, and your radar is not one matched from civvy ones. The alert is raised and relayed to the Dynamo.

Allied Dynamo officer:
Bridge, CIC, New datalink contact, Bearing 142, Range 23 klicks

CIC checks the TMA data, sees that you're a fast mover and rapidly closing on their location, shits themselves and fires 2 Stratolances in your face

[junior wind]

yes, but

what if you hide in a valley in enemy airspace and only turn it off then

[grave sable]

You realize if enemy aircraft ping your IFF it just doesn't... respond right

No IFF willingly says "Yo I'm an enemy cuh shoot me"

Also considering the lack of civilian airliners in Nuclear Option, even if you somehow manage to flash a civilian iff, which is, I'm pretty sure that's a war crime, people would still realize what was going on

[grave sable]

What would that accomplish

[grand kelp]

yea thats also what i thought that all unknowns are basically defaulted to be enemies

[grave sable]

In an environment such as NO yeah

[junior wind]

removes most risk of friendly fire
but yeah i see now the auto default to enemy thing so i agree that this post was kinda stupid

[grave sable]

That still achieves the same shit as keeping your IFF on man

[compact agate]

???
What is this suggestion bro

[manic coyote]

"Why is that airliner flying at mach 2?"

[next jungle]

"Do we have civilian darkreaches?"

[brave mason]

You can't turn it off, it's passive like an RFID key card

[foggy furnace]

As Cactus pointed out; the IFF doesn't do anything for stealth.

The enemy radar will spot you regardless.

This is just a fancy way of getting shot by your own side.

[foggy furnace]

One of the few things that, in a conventional military will get you shot by your own side, even if you do survive whatever hairbrained scheme you cooked up that would've required flashing a civilians or enemy IFF.

[azure ferry]

Drugs

[foggy furnace]

Eh.

I think the OP just didn't have much idea of what IFF is.

No need to be too harsh on them - everyone goofs up sometime or the other.

[mystic carbon]

i think he thinks that all planes have a Combat Tree esque system where they are able to use the enemy's IFF returns to locate them and then shoot them down

[foggy furnace]

I'm a bit confused by this; could you explain a bit more

[grave sable]

Combat Tree is, in essence, American-made reverse engineered Soviet IFF interrogators

Combat Tree would send Soviet IFF interrogator signals, the MiG's IFF would respond as "Da I am Soviet am friendly" and the F-4 would home in on the MiG's position

[foggy furnace]

And that helped with targeting?

[grave sable]

Yeah? Combat Tree would deadahh expose the MiG's location?

[mystic carbon]

essentially it allowed the F4s to find the MiG-21s without pinging them with radar meaning that the MiGs would have no idea the phantoms were coming until they started firing

being able to turn off IFF would help in this one very specific and narrow scenario because without IFF Combat Tree wouldn't work, so it'd play out like how OP thinks it would where you can slip by

(even then i doubt it'd help that much because radar would still be able to find you unless the enemy planes also had their radars off and were using Combat Tree as the only form of target acquisition)

[grave sable]

would not necessarily work tbh since F-4s also had BLUFOR IFF so a MiG-21 that somehow disabled its own IFF would not be giving off BLUFOR identity either

[foggy furnace]

Hold up.

Let me look up more about the system

[mystic carbon]

it's a really cool piece of military tech but niche and only ever deployed as uncommon equipment to a few selected squadrons, usually those exclusively deployed for CAP

[foggy furnace]

I'm also guessing that's something that stealth planes would entirely avoid; plus, we seem to have secure datalink.

[white nimbus]

The Soviets fixed the exploit pretty quickly; Combat Tree was only useful in Vietnam because the VPAF flew the absolute oldest MiG-21s available for export, as their most modern aircraft.

[junior wind]

ok if we get the ability for ew aircraft to use a combat tree system then this might be useful but i agree that this post was stupid

[ocean obsidian]

maybe your IFF could get damaged then you'd get gang up by both teams, mitch already said he wanted to implement some form of electrical component damage, like the fly-by-wire getting damaged