[MOD] [0.32] - NOTT - [NEW UPDATE]Cockpit enhancements / UI and HOTAS QoL

[river kernel]

I expect some bugs, these last features open up a bigass can of edge cases, everything works on my machine but expect a hotfix in the coming days.

[solid badge]

haven't tested the config stuff but tbh i probably won't be using it regardless, i mainly use it to change the aircraft MFD colors

[river kernel]

those were a pain to figure out

nights upon nights starring at my screen

[solid badge]

weapon previews work

[river kernel]

excellent !

[solid badge]

and now to nuke Maris because why not

[river kernel]

whats a good NO session without a few war crimes after all

[solid badge]

even if it's just a freeflight map opened up for testing lol

[stable silo]

The Gripen only has it in the hud cage and imo it was more annoying than useful in it

[hallow tusk]

could we get this on the hmd? i don't find it very useful on a cockpit screen

looks cool though

[river kernel]

sure ! I'll include a toggle, I didn't include it in this version because testing for compatibility with multiple screen format/resolutions takes time, but yeah its planned and shouldn't be that hard, just time consuming 🙂

[hallow tusk]

imo you could possibly have it stick to the location of the weapon display, as those already are adjustable for different displays, and be able to offset it from it's original "sticky" position

incredible work as always

[river kernel]

that's really clever, thanks for the idea !

[stable silo]

i forgor how :>

[river kernel]

https://github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools?tab=readme-ov-file#three-installing-the-mod

[visual marten]

Does the save and recall target group use the same keybinding process (keyboard)?

Where you have to check the keycode table

In the unity documentation file

[river kernel]

yup !

I detail the process here : https://github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools?tab=readme-ov-file#how-to-setup-the-mod-to-use-your-hotas-and-keyboard

[stable silo]

this is sick

[meager rapids]

An idea I had was the hover symbology from the apache

not sure what its called

The home plate where it shows you where you started and how to get back to it, just to help with situational awareness

[hallow tusk]

not 100% on this one, compatable airbases are already shown as waypoints on the hmd and you can navigate really easily using the map
this would add more clutter

[meager rapids]

with the hmd I have to actively look down and lost the ability to control the aircraft

also this isnt just for airbases also just useful for peaking around hills and generally staying still

[hallow tusk]

oh, do you mean this?

[meager rapids]

its like the cargo hook ui where its a top down view

you put down a mark and it shows you how you've drifted from that point

[hallow tusk]

oh

still not 100%

oh well, going to be togglable by client anyway

[meager rapids]

thats why I wanted to suggest here

not for a basegame feature

[river kernel]

that's a really cool idea, I'll have to look into it

[meager rapids]

wonder if you could like force the cargo hook ui to show or something then place down a fake unit ?

I dont know how this mod quite works

or if you could just take the opposite of the horizontal velocity vector

[river kernel]

that could work, although I'm not fond of hijacking existing game fucntions, I'd rather create a bespoke screen 🙂

[meager rapids]

does the program have access to like all your values like horizontal velocity and stuff?

Bepin is scary

[river kernel]

you technically have access to everything ! sometimes its hidden away so you gotta search a bit, but its mostly regular c sharp

since you have access to the entire Unity library, once you have found your object, accessing and using its velocity vectors is just regular maths

[river kernel]

you should try 🙂 I'd like to get a small tutorial for making basic mods out at some point

[meager rapids]

what language is it

[river kernel]

same as Unity, C#

[meager rapids]

oh c#

idk c#

[river kernel]

it took me a few days but if you've dabbled in typed object oriented languages before, adapting is really fast 🙂

and since you're always manipulating game objects, once you've got your basic syntax its just a matter of learning Unity development

[meager rapids]

maybe Ill try making it once you make that guide

[river kernel]

I've just got an idea : this screen should show how many of each frame are already in the air

[unreal roost]

oh that's cool as shit

should this mod work fine with complete game overhaul mods?

how uh, does it handle new weapons

fallback to the full weapon display?

[river kernel]

it should normally work as is !

I should try tho

you're thinking of Primeva 2082 ?

[river kernel]

if the mod uses the same objects as the vanilla game there should be no issue 🙂

[unreal roost]

ye

define objects

[river kernel]

like, in the game code there's a "Weapon Slot" object, where my code gets the name and ammo of the weapon slot

[unreal roost]

oh yeah it hitches off that

[river kernel]

all weapons are of the same type, so if the mod uses the same types as the vanilla game instead of creating its own it should work !

[unreal roost]

uhh

maybe

unsure

[river kernel]

oh you mean there are new aircrafts ?

[unreal roost]

no

there's like a napalm bomb and stuff in 2082, currently disabled tho

and new chin turrets for the Chicane

and new gun options

[river kernel]

new weapons and units should work fine

new aircrafts won't at this point, since the layout for new cockpit elements is specific to each aircraft

I'll try 🙂

[unreal roost]

ye, and there's no new aircraft in 2082

so that's fine

gonna be very excited to test the new features

I think QOL and NOTT conflict

both touch the HUD

[river kernel]

oh

could you show me so I know where to look? a lot of people use this mod so a compatibility patch is in order

[twilit dirge]

i don't think QoL should change much with the HUD, it's almost entirely gameplay changes

the only bit i can think of is disabling the targeting ring for laser-guided weapons and showing more decimals for climb rate and altitude

[unreal roost]

(Filename: D:/George/Documents/Code/clumzy/NO_Tactitools/NO_Tactitools/src/Core/Bindings.cs Line: 77)

InvalidCastException: Specified cast is not valid.
  at NO_Tactitools.Core.Bindings+Player+Aircraft+Countermeasures.GetIRFlareMaxAmmo () [0x00074] in D:\George\Documents\Code\clumzy\NO_Tactitools\NO_Tactitools\src\Core\Bindings.cs:77 
  at NO_Tactitools.UI.WeaponDisplayComponent+LogicEngine.Update () [0x00029] in D:\George\Documents\Code\clumzy\NO_Tactitools\NO_Tactitools\src\UI\WeaponDisplay.cs:60 
  at NO_Tactitools.UI.WeaponDisplayComponent+OnPlatformUpdate.Postfix () [0x00001] in D:\George\Documents\Code\clumzy\NO_Tactitools\NO_Tactitools\src\UI\WeaponDisplay.cs:462 
  at (wrapper dynamic-method) TacScreen.DMD<TacScreen::Update>(TacScreen)```

getting this

the tacscreen never leaves the "boot" anim as a result

I'll test without qol

issue doesn't occur without QOL

[river kernel]

thanks for the log, what was your loadout and plane ?

[unreal roost]

Chicane, 30mm Chaingun, ATP, Lynchpin, and IRM-S1s

[river kernel]

that's good to know, thanks 🙂

[unreal roost]

you can find QoL in the 2082 server in #1337634794040983593

have to grab the beta tester role

[twilit dirge]

george is already there

[unreal roost]

ahh

[river kernel]

🥸

[river kernel]

thanks a lot, I'll try and reproduce the issue right away !

[unreal roost]

a compat patch would be nice ye

[fallow hornet]

This was nice to wake up to great work again!

[unreal roost]

the features all seem to work right tho

[solid badge]

isn't that already in the map screen tho?

u can even see what aircraft the opposing faction has in the air

[river kernel]

yeah it is, but a small number on the selection screen would do wonders 🙂

[river kernel]

thanks, it means a lot !

[river kernel]

I've reproduced the issue, it seems like the Chicane is the culprit, I'll look into it some more, thanks for the detailed report 🫡

[unreal roost]

when you ID the cause of the issue lmk

I might be able to tell you what else will break NOTT

[river kernel]

thanks, I'll be sure to let you know

[dense warren]

What if shorter aliases are used instead of actual names?

[visual marten]

Are the names supposed to be like this?

[river kernel]

Yup, these are the internal names used by the game

[visual marten]

Weird lol

Didn't bother fixing the typos

I want my target recall/save to be "1"

Which field should I put it in?

I'm on keyboard btw

[river kernel]

Its all there in the manual : https://github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools?tab=readme-ov-file#setting-up-keyboard-inputs

I've included visual examples too !

[visual marten]

My target select is left mouse button

Do I have to change it to "1"?

[river kernel]

Not at all

Why would you need to change the target select input ? To answer your question, the name should be keyboard, and the input Alpha1

[river kernel]

These are the shorter aliases 😭 I could create shorter ones, but it would be annoying to maintain, and players would have to focus on what the alias means instead of the action

[visual marten]

What I did was type "Keyboard" into the controller name field, and then Keypad1 since that's the Unity code for it

It didn't work tho

Wait I see the problem

I should've used Alpha1

[dense warren]

I could quickly make short ones for you

And the list could be exposed in configuration menu ig

[visual marten]

It works now

🙂

[dense warren]

Few weapons / systems have long enough names to necessitate an alias though

[river kernel]

You're good to go then, enjoy 🙂

[royal wyvern]

Big thanks for this!
Is anybody useful artificial horizon?
For what it is? I really interesting too know how I can use it!
Loadout preview interesting feature. I hope it will appear only once in start, because seems it don't give you good view too fuel, heat, throttle, in battle this info time to time valuable and you use it

[dense warren]

But a radar jammer can just be RDR JAMM. or something

[river kernel]

The loadout preview appears when switching slots, but I can easily add a toggle for it to only appear at the start !

[visual marten]

Has the kW unit been added to the CM and Weapon display? Instead of the percentage

[river kernel]

That is true, maybe I could selectively rename some of them. My other idea was dynamically removing the vowels from long words. Generally I don't like making "special cases", I like for everything to be handled the same

[river kernel]

This one has slipped through the cracks, adding it on the todo (should be dead easy)

[royal wyvern]

Well. I think it have some sense.
It could show you info about current state of allies power and predict faster what you should to do, should you make air superiority or make cargo delivery or etc.
From another side you able to see it on map in faction menu this info... So...
I think you should decide should implement it or it will be not so useful feature.

How to make it best way?
Idk, hard...
I think... Maybe move info in squares more in left side and in right bottom corner input number of airframes... Or... Make squares bigger, info inside them with same size and in bottom of square place number of current aircrafts in battle.

[visual marten]

Ohh ok no worries, take it easy 😄

[royal wyvern]

Have sense. Or place loadout info same way will be they are being only in map/camera/radar screen what will not make harder view into your current aircraft info

[dense warren]

I understand, but sometimes you only have to adjust a few cases

[visual marten]

Would you mind adding multiple group recalls into the todo?

[unreal roost]

@river kernel might have traced the issue

your plugin hardcodes not expecting an internal jammer on specific aircraft

the Chicane and Tarantula have an internal jammer in QOL

which seems to cause the issue, somehow

idk I'm not a developer

yeah if I force the vehicle to spawn with a defensive jammer pod it works fine

I come to this conclusion bc on line 61 you define this

  var IRStation = (stationsObj as IList)[HasECMPod() ? 1 : 0];```

and HasECMPod is defined as this

 public static bool HasECMPod() {
                    try {
                        return (
                            HasJammer() &&
                                ((GetPlatformName() == "UH-80 Ibis") ||
                                (GetPlatformName() == "SAH-46 Chicane") ||
                                (GetPlatformName() == "VL-49 Tarantula") ||
                                (GetPlatformName() == "CI-22 Cricket") ));```

am I on the right track?

[river kernel]

Ooooh

Yes

YES

There is a 99% chance you found the issue

I'm at a job interview, wish me luck chat

[unreal roost]

I don't understand fully what I'm reading here tho since I don't write code

[river kernel]

I might, but with thorough testing beforehand, I feel like that could upset the balance of the game, making multi-role sorties that much easier to execute

[unreal roost]

but it looks like running HasECMPod skips HasJammer (?) if the aircraft is one of those 4, which means the ECMPod gets serialized later in the list?

i dunno

you'd have to tell me how it works

[river kernel]

With pleasure

[unreal roost]

cool cool, ping me when you're avail

[visual marten]

Hmm you got a point there

[unreal roost]

yeee ok so I see the issue
ECM Pods always init at position 0 in the array, IR dispensers then init in the next position, internal jammers after that
so if HasECMPod returns True but no ECM Pod is actually present, the array looks like [IRDispenser, InternalJammer], and thus the mod tries to assign InternalJammer to the actual IR dispenser display, and the mod zogging dies when trying to grab some data from it
meanwhile if there is an actual ECM Pod present, the array looks like [ECMPod, IRDispenser], and thus it grabs the correct object

am I insane in the membrane or

[river kernel]

that's EXACTLY what's happening !

when there's an ECM Pod, Flares and ECM switch place in the array (this didn't happen before 0.31)

[river kernel]

you should write code, you read it pretty well !

[solid badge]

wait, isn't the 30mm chaingun a QoL mod weapon?

[unreal roost]

ye, but it gets initalized correctly in NOTT

more or less

[solid badge]

ah

[unreal roost]

shows up as 30mm autocannon iirc

something like

[unreal roost]

ty ty

what were you thinking the issue was before I investigated it?

[river kernel]

I knew it was related to the order of the countermeasures in the array, but I didn't have the root cause (having not used the QOL mod except for some small tests yesterday) so thanks a ton !

[unreal roost]

np

how are you planning on solving the issue?

[river kernel]

instead of hardcoding which planes have ECM pods, find a more programmatic way to deal with this possibility

[unreal roost]

fair enough ye

I imagine it must be possible to interrogate each object in the array as to what they are and then store its position as a variable for those functions so?

[river kernel]

you could ! you could also check if an ecm pod is present in the array representing pylons

[unreal roost]

fair enough

I think the latter option might be less tolerant to pylon changes and what have you in the future

interrogation might be a better option

[river kernel]

the problem with the interogation method is that by default this array is private

so you gotta know exactly what you're looking for

[unreal roost]

which makes it hard to poke around and see what's what

[river kernel]

exactly, you gotta specifically ask for type X in position Y

thus why I have to determine which type is at which index beforehand

[unreal roost]

well you know what you're looking for, maybe you could try asking known good information from each object in the array, and if it outputs a reasonable response, we know what that is and implicitly what the other thing should be?

or do you not have a good way to catch an error by asking that information from something that doesn't have it?

[river kernel]

yup 🙂

[unreal roost]

ahm

[river kernel]

what I do is ask how big the array is

since you always have flares

if its of size 1 there are no jammers

the issue is that when pods are present the ir and jammer switch position, so I'll focus on finding a robust way to detect whether pods are present or not, instead of the quick and dirty solution I have today

that way it should be mod-proof 🙂

[unreal roost]

checking if an ECM pod exists on a pylon is probably the best option then ye

then if we get oddities like jammer only aircraft, figure out something from there

for now I can circumvent the issue by disabling the in-cockpit munitions display, right?

ah no that function gets called regardless, rip

wait, why is it displaying?

it shouldn't

[river kernel]

what is displaying ?

[river kernel]

in 2 modules ! the weapon display, and the individual CM selection

[unreal roost]

oh, it takes a full game restart for that switch to work

gotcha, nvm

[unreal roost]

@river kernel loadout preview doesn't handle weapons with a loading stage properly, like the door guns on the ibis

the maximum cap changes depending on the ammo reserve

[river kernel]

thanks for the heads up

I'll reproduce the issue and fix it 🙂

[visual marten]

Do NO AA units have their own unique or typo internal names like the aircrafts btw?

Oh wait I can just check

I'm worried if the primeva 2082 mod might run into the same issue

And I have to dig through the code

Which I have 0 experience at

[solid badge]

probably, since the munitions do too

[stable silo]

how do i remove bepinex?

it literally does not exist anymor eon my computer yet it keeps opening

nvm i fixewd it

had to remove another mod and now ill reinstall this awesome one

[stable silo]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-idea-have-angel-mr-gif-22114962

The throttle bar in the mfds, can that have the percentage in it or would it be too small to be readable?

[unreal roost]

too small imo

[fallow hornet]

chicane hud bug i spawned and the boot animation overlapped w the hud?

[river kernel]

were the targets already selected when you spawned ?

[fallow hornet]

Yea

Might’ve caused it

[river kernel]

that's "normal" behaviour, the bootscreen deactivates every element, before reactivating them once the animation is done

but the target screen doesn't exist when spawning, its created when first selecting a target

I'll add a check to deactivate it if its created before the boot animation is done, thanks for the heads up 🙂

I'm cooking up a hotfix for the update, but it won't come out till this sunday, I've got a busy week unfortunately

[solid badge]

could a shutdown animation when turning off the aircraft's engines be possible?

[river kernel]

hell yeah

[meager rapids]

You can already shut down some vehicles engines

[solid badge]

yea duh, that's why i'm asking for a shutdown animation for the MFD

for whatever reason tho it's only possible to shut down the turboprops and turboshafts

[stable silo]

Next update itll be all vehicles

[hallow tusk]

i hear we're also getting engine startup sfx for jets like for tara and chicane

[stable silo]

Oh like the ibis?

[meager rapids]

Peam

[river kernel]

you're gonna have to help me understand this one chief

[meager rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-it's-peak-mid-it's-mid-shaking-head-gif-14930609437819582275

[river kernel]

oh

yeah, peam

(thanks Wiktionary)

(donate to Wikipedia)

[meager rapids]

Grokipedia

[rapid maple]

Hey, would there be any way to make it so the weapon selector automatically skips over fully expended weapons?

Also, how do you set hat controls?

[visual marten]

I found a bug relating to the target recall feature, currently I've set it to "Alpha1" which is the "1" key above the "Q" key. I encountered it when I tried to set my aircraft's position to 1500 meters in the mission editor, when I clicked "1" it made a really loud noise akin to that when you select a target, prior to working in the mission editor, I played a couple NO matches and saved multiple groups with the "1" key

So I think the game thinks that I'm still in a regular NO match even tho I'm in the mission editor and tried to recall the group I've saved earlier

And it broke the "1" key, whenever I tried to insert any number that has "1" it just couldn't

[river kernel]

I could try that yes ! However that would require rewriting the game's function, so I'll do it cautiously

[visual marten]

However, I can still use my numeric keypad to insert any values that has "1"

[river kernel]

oh that's interesting

I see the issue

[visual marten]

Yeah in the meantime I'll use my numeric keypad

[river kernel]

tomorrow is coding day, this wil be fixed, I'll add a check to the input functions to make them work only when in a mission

[visual marten]

It's a minor bug right?

[river kernel]

yeah, the game is trying to call a function on an object that doesn't exist in the context of the mission editor

its just a basic check 🙂

[visual marten]

Awesome

[river kernel]

https://github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools?tab=readme-ov-file#how-to-setup-the-mod-to-use-your-hotas-and-keyboard

lemme know how it goes

I've tested it thoroughly on my machine and it works for others, but I'm always looking for more guinea pigs 🤓

[rapid maple]

Just got into a Chicane and this happened

[river kernel]

what appears to be the issue ?

[rapid maple]

The giant diagonal line on the hud

[river kernel]

oh yeah

what steps can I do to reproduce ? honestly I'm not sure it's my mod, I don't draw any line on the HMD besides the artificial horizon

[rapid maple]

Not sure, tbh

This didn't happen before

[river kernel]

if you could send me a pm with the logs that would be grand

does the line stay when you respawn ?

[rapid maple]

Yeah

And it's happening on all aircraft so I guess something else is messed up

A restart'll probably fix it

[river kernel]

I'll check the logs once you send em to me, thanks for the report 🫡

I'll have to look into it, because normally every element I draw on the HMD are destroyed when the aircraft respawns

[rapid maple]

I can't find Player.log

Side note: the github says to input the hat switches as h_number_direction, but how do I know what the number is?

Also, is it case sensitive? And if so, caps or no?

[river kernel]

you've got visual examples here 🙂

[rapid maple]

Mine just lists as POV Up

[river kernel]

lower case 🙂

[river kernel]

F

that's a new one...

[river kernel]

you could try h_1_up

not sure tho, I haven't seen this format before

I'll see if I can setup my VKB to output this

[rapid maple]

So uh, setting the things to h_1_dir caused the game to stop registering any input from my stick

[river kernel]

sidenote, this has happened to me before I developed any visual element on the HMD, I'm really not sure this is related to the mod

[river kernel]

h_1_up you mean ?

[rapid maple]

Gotcha, so just game

Yes

dir was placeholder for direction

I set the directions to h_1_up/down/left/right

[river kernel]

kk lemme setup my stick and see if I can output the same format

[rapid maple]

And if I have them set like that, the game stops registering input from my HOTAS

[river kernel]

Player.log isn't in the NuclearOption folder ?

[river kernel]

my bad, it's in here

sorry, oversight on my part

I've corrected the README, thanks for the heads up 🙂

https://www.voidtools.com/
quick shoutout to my favourite software ever, lets you find everything on your computer in a flash

[river kernel]

this has just been fixed 😄
entering inputs that won't exist for your joystick won't block it anymore, thanks for the report !

[rapid maple]

Alright sick

[river kernel]

as for POV up, I'll need to run some more tests, I've never encountered this format before and I have trouble emulating it on my stick for now

I'll mess around with joystick gremlin

[stable silo]

f1 just isnt working for me for some reason, trying to disabkle the tarantula horizon

[meager rapids]

Might need to change smth in the configuration file

I forgot the exact line, its on the github page

[river kernel]

https://github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools/tree/main?tab=readme-ov-file#advanced-configuration-unit-icon-recolor-and-artificial-horizon

if you wanna configure which aircraft have access to the horizon 🙂

[stable silo]

does this use the config menu?

[river kernel]

just add a comment to the tarantula's line, the config files are in the mod folder !

[river kernel]

nope, not this feature, that would have clutered the config menu

[stable silo]

ah i see

[grand zephyr]

So what does this do

[stable silo]

this

[river kernel]

its to configure this feature

[river kernel]

dayum, you're one hell of a pilot, these maneuvers look pretty cool 🫡

[grand zephyr]

If I didnt have such a wide display and could easily read the glass cockpit info I might try it

[river kernel]

lots of cool tidbits that could still be useful to ya

here's the feature list 🙂
https://github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools/tree/main?tab=readme-ov-file#main-features

[stable silo]

what have i possibly done to make it so pressing f1 doesnt open the config menu

[river kernel]

mmmmh

this is an issue that pops up with bepin sometimes

this is a possible fix

fyi I'm still working on the update, skipping empty weapon slots is taking me more time than expected, the rest of the requests I've had since the 0.3 update are half done 🙂

[grand zephyr]

Is there an option to keep the HMD on

[river kernel]

Oh you mean the original weapon ui ?

Everything is configurable, you can choose which features you want 🙂

Features that add new controls work with keyboards, and most HOTAS, I'm still working on supporting more controllers tho

[stable silo]

can this screen beu sed for something extra

in medusa

[river kernel]

What would you see ? Maybe the capacitor's power output ?

[stable silo]

yeah i was thinking the EW bar KJ

[polar bramble]

oh thats nice…

[river kernel]

Doable 🙂

[grand zephyr]

can I have 2 seperate controllers for CMs?

[river kernel]

I could make each setting use its own controller, that's not supported atm

I'm finishing the next update, I'll squeeze that in

[lethal shoal]

Would it be possible to move the minimap to the radar MFD? Or maybe just a way to toggle the minimap off in general?

[fallow hornet]

They were experimenting with that a month or two ago idk how far they got tho

[potent oracle]

How would I install this mod?
Don't know how modding works for this game, some games its drag and drop, some workshop and some their own installers.

[marsh moon]

just dropping the files into bepinx folder is enough

[potent oracle]

Oh I need bepinx, I see.

[marsh moon]

yea

[potent oracle]

Well I don't know how to install that. Or even where to look.

[river kernel]

https://github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools?tab=readme-ov-file#installing It's all there in the manual, see the top post 🙂

[potent oracle]

Thank you so much

[fallow hornet]

how can i disable boot anims?

[unreal roost]

config manager

[fallow hornet]

link?

[unreal roost]

https://github.com/BepInEx/BepInEx.ConfigurationManager/releases

[rigid basalt]

i don't seem to be able to see the digital horizon even if i have the horizon enabled and the list shows up with it as well.

[river kernel]

Have you restarted the game after activating the feature ?

[rigid basalt]

yes

[river kernel]

Could you dm me with the logs ? Has this happened recently or did the feature manage to work before ?

[rigid basalt]

it hasn't worked yet

[river kernel]

logs are here btw

[unreal roost]

are you running QOL mod?

[rigid basalt]

no

[unreal roost]

odd

something weird is going on here

the aircraft display isn't loading

upload logs

[rigid basalt]

even if it did it doesn't work anyway

[unreal roost]

upload logs

[river kernel]

send the logs my dear sir 🫡

[rigid basalt]

sometimes it does, sometimes it doesnt

yeah i will

[rigid basalt]

problem solved, i was a dumbass i put the addon on the wrong folder

[river kernel]

happens to the best of us 😄

[hallow tusk]

any chance loadout preview is being moved to the hmd soon?

it's useless for being so far from the actual weapon display

[solid badge]

i disagree

[river kernel]

I've had some personal stuff to deal with lately that kinda hindered my motivation for a while :/ I got some energy back so I'll do my best to get this update out ASAP 🦾

I've got a basic version of it tbh

where would you see it on the UI ?

of course the background can be set to semi transparent

I was thinking top right, below the existing weapon info widget

if you decided not to display it, top right corner

wdyt ?

[stable silo]

Id want an option to not have it on the hmd

[solid badge]

that's where i was thinking, but imo it's fine where it already is

[river kernel]

wdym ?

for now its on the MFD and deactivable

[stable silo]

I personally prefer it to be how it is rn and not on the hmd

[river kernel]

the idea is to have the option to show it on the HMD 🙂

[stable silo]

Ah okay so i just clik thst button

[river kernel]

yup 🙂

[stable silo]

Now if only unity config manager works

[river kernel]

like with the weapon display, some users wanted keepp the original widget

[river kernel]

what's the issue ? I can help

[stable silo]

It just doesnt come up

But i havent needed to use it so i havent bothered to fix it

[river kernel]

try this

[earnest fern]

I'm having trouble binding inputs for the tm warthog, I used joy.cpl to get the input numbers, but still no dice

[river kernel]

Did you try using the internal binding menu to get the button number ?

Also what kind of button are you trying to bind ?

[earnest fern]

Can't as they are all names

[river kernel]

Oh I see

What kind of names ?

[earnest fern]

like 'Thumb Slider Fwd'

[river kernel]

Oof, that's a new one

Good call on using joy.cpl but I've found that indexes are not ordered the same for "non-generic" controllers

[earnest fern]

Example

[river kernel]

Yeah I see the issue

The buttons have a number on joy.cpl ?

[earnest fern]

Yeah, but after putting the correct number, it still doesnt work

[river kernel]

I see

[earnest fern]

the Warthog manual also confirms they are correct

[river kernel]

It's likely the buttons are not ordered the same in the 3rd party solution the game uses

Other users have had issues when using controllers with buttons that have individual names

[earnest fern]

Hmm, I'll keep playing around and see if I can troubleshoot it

[river kernel]

I'm always trying to improve this part of the mod, but working with this 3rd party solution is hard, so while I hope to fix this ASAP, I can't guarantee an imminent solution 🙁

Unlike the game's code, which is pristine and soooo easy to work with 🙌

Thanks for trying the mod anyway, and I'll let you know if I find a fix, I have some ideas but nothing concrete atm

[earnest fern]

No worries thanks for providing us some much needed QoL features

[hallow tusk]

have opacity turned up when not being used but still have it visible?

shorten the names maybe? have icons visible? some solutions for reducing clutter

[river kernel]

Personally I'd place it in the top right corner, under where the existing weapon UI resides 🙂

[hallow tusk]

yeah, with that in mind

[river kernel]

Aight, thanks for the suggestions

Not sure about having icons for every weapon, but shortening the names that I can try

[lilac mountain]

Hi thanks for this i was just going to ask for this

[lilac mountain]

Did not work

İf the name is throttle hat left and throttle hat right

What do i write

[river kernel]

Those are unsupported inputs for now sorry 🙁 I'm looking for a solution to support all input types, but it takes time since I need to "emulate" these inputs on my gear to test and the code handling inputs is complicated in many ways

[lilac mountain]

Awww

Shucks

Thanks for the mod though

Love it

[river kernel]

Glad to hear it 😁 It gives me strength to work on the next update hehe

[lilac mountain]

Ooo

Update

EAT EAT EAT

[jade ether]

I'm having this problem with the chicane and the tarantula where the boot up animation doesn't play. I know it's a conflict with the QOL mod but I was wondering if there is already a fix for this?

[solid badge]

the mod's confused about them having internal jammers, which they don't have in vanilla

[royal wyvern]

You can in mod editor turn off booting screen

[river kernel]

Next update, I swear I'm working on it but most of the tasks are much harder than expected, that plus lots of personal shi* going on 🙁

But it's coming

SoonTM

[dense warren]

Hold on my mans weve faith in you

[jade ether]

No rush, I was just checking to see if I missed an update or fix. Keep the great work coming my man. 🫶

[severe shard]

If anyone is able to help out, I'm trying to install this on Pop!_os but I haven't been able to get the configuration menu to show up, and in the BepInEx folder there isn't a config folder/file at all, and the couple things I've tried haven't had much success getting it to work

[lethal shoal]

I don't run Bepinex in Linux so I'm reading off of the docs, but have you already run the Bepinex script? Looks like it creates the config directory once its been run

[river kernel]

oof, the last time I've used pop os was years ago, sorry I have no idea 🙁

I know some users of the mod run Linux lemme find em

@solid badge could help

[severe shard]

I thought that that was done by launching the game itself which brought up the script. Also to keep updated I was having some issues with getting other things working so I’ve decided to distro hop to Ubuntu but haven’t tried doing it there yet

[river kernel]

yeah that's how I believe it works

[solid badge]

if u have installed BepInEx properly, the config folder appears automatically after running the game
note that u need the Windows version of BepInEx installed since it's a Windows game
there's some Wine instructions in the documentation too but i can't remember where exactly

[severe shard]

Sounds good, I’ll run through it again and see how it works out

[river kernel]

I've been working on some new customization options too 🙂

you can make the altimeter's color dynamic, and set the text color independently

this is working well now too

I'll try and make it look as vanilla as I can 🙂

[fallow hornet]

Oh my gosh😍

[hallow tusk]

could we get the option to not have the weapons display disappear, or just have it fade out when not in use?

[lethal shoal]

This mod is the best. Any plans to make the map hideable or integrate it with the radar?

[river kernel]

the vanilla elements or the added full loadout ui element ?

[river kernel]

I'd like to ! but the map is a pretty complex object to handle so no immediate plans for now

[hallow tusk]

loadout ui element

[river kernel]

then it's already the case, it behaves the same way as on the cockpit mfd

[rapid maple]

Hey, I dunno if this has been brought up as an idea before, but maybe there could be something like, if you have a bunch of targets selected and go to fire laser-guided rockets, preventing the plane from firing more rockets than targets it can laser designate

Eg. the Cricket can designate two targets, but if you have five targets selected and pull the trigger, it'll fire five rockets. It would be nice to have a way to prevent it from firing those extra rockets

[gaunt rapids]

Has been discussed, and I am mucho in favor

[rapid maple]

Turns out, someone else has already made a mod for this, but it's also not up to date

It was moreso meant as a "smart weapon release" system, where it would essentially prevent weapons from being fired against invalid targets (firing AAMs against ground targets, firing at targets out of range, firing more laser-guided rockets than you can desigate, etc)

[turbid glacier]

something i just learned is that if you use nott and spawn in an unarmed aircraft it floods the logs with nre's, just about all seven MB of this is from nott

[river kernel]

oof

thanks a ton for the log !

[turbid glacier]

nvm apparently i'm a fool who didn't know she had debug mode on

[river kernel]

The next update will be on the 15th/16th, (almost) everything on my TODO has been done, with this next bug cleared I'll be ready to implement the new plane ASAP 🙂

this is what I've done already

[river kernel]

nah you're right, that's a bug, the mod is trying to display the name of an inexisting weapon station

[Bindings.Player.Weapons.GetActiveStationName] NullReferenceException: CombatHUD or weapon name text unavailable; returning 'Unknown Weapon'.
so it keeps throwing exceptions, should be an easy bug to fix 🙂

[river kernel]

compatibility with QOL mod is on the way too

last two items on the list are :

• skipping over expended weapons (not sure how to properly implement this one yet, lots of edge cases, I might skip it this time)
• ensuring the loadout preview handles weapons with loading stages properly

[river kernel]

so an update on this one :
I think I won't support the QoL mod for the time being.
80% of the time spent working on the mod is spent making sure features work in lots of different configurations, and supporting a second set of weapons/platforms increases this time tenfold, especially considering that starting the game with the QoL mod adds 15 seconds, which really adds up overtime 🙁
I'd rather focus on the main game, because all this time spent testing features, making them work in the main game and seeing that they don't in the QoL mod has really burned me out tbh

sorry yall, this might change in the future but I'd rather focus on what I do best 🙁

[potent oracle]

You're all good, modding's a passion and hobby, sometimes those can be tedious.

[river kernel]

VSCode is fired up, updating as we speak 😉

[stable silo]

cant fly it with the mod on lol

[river kernel]

that's normal 🙂

deactivate the weapon display and loadout display components and you should be good to go !

[stable silo]

???

how does that POSSIBLY make the aerodynamics not work lol

[unreal roost]

it breaks the game logic if it doesn't properly work pretty much

[river kernel]

when the mod/game encounters the exception where the game doesn't know which part of the cockpit to draw on (this time, for the new plane), it fracks up the controls

working on it as we speak 🙂

there we go

[river kernel]

.

New update : NOTT 0.4.0

➡️ DOWNLOAD LINK

Hello everyone, the mod has been updated for NO 0.32 🥳
It's mostly support for the new content, but I've added some cool smaller stuff and fixed some nasty bugs, enjoy 😁

Major changes

• Mod updated for Nuclear Option 0.32
• Weapon Display & Loadout Preview support implemented for the Brawler
• Unit Icon Recolor support implemented for the new ground units

Smaller additions

• You can now setup a different color for texts when configuring the MFD color
• Added a new alternative attitude indicator that changes color with the main MFD color
• Added support for weapons that reload to the Weapon Display
• The Loadout Preview can be setup to only show on starting up
• The Loadout preview can be sent to the main UI instead of the MFD

Bug fixes

• Added a check to ensure that custom controls aren't usable when not in flight
• Added a check to make sure targeting isn't possible if the plane hasn't booted (this only concerns you if you use the startup animation component)
• Fixed an exception where the Loadout Preview tried to lookup the name of an inexisting weapon slot when flying with no weapons

If you're installing this mod for the first time, you can find the documentation here.

As usual, feel free to report bugs (as detailed here) and make suggestions.

Cheers 🫡

[MOD] [0.32] - NOTT - Cockpit enhancements / UI and HOTAS QoL - NEW UPDATE

[unreal roost]

zip file generates wrong again, augh

it's fine

I can work around it

[river kernel]

good call, lemme fix it

[torpid shale]

Advanced slot selection does not seem to be working correctly, idk if i done this incorrectly or that red text in the log has something to do with it.

[river kernel]

oof, that's new

[torpid shale]

boot animation also doesnt seem to work for the new airframe also

and the loadout preview

actually advanced slot works now?

am i having a stroke right now

this wasnt working a second ago

okay figured it out, the mod doesnt like a first mission load

[river kernel]

I've figured it out I think, for some reason Keyboard controls are now bugged

[torpid shale]

yeah its just on first mission load

[river kernel]

if you unbind keyboard controls it works fine it seems

[torpid shale]

hmm, i loaded into another mission and my keyboard controls seem to work

[river kernel]

yup, for some reason the keyboard doesn't seem to register when the game loads

[torpid shale]

preview and boot animation also

the custom mfd colors work

[river kernel]

that's only if you've setup a keyboard as an input method 🙁

for some reason it fuc*s with the MFD UI too

[torpid shale]

ah well, i can just exit the first mission and load another

[river kernel]

still not ideal 🥲

and the game will throw exceptions at ya

[torpid shale]

channel your inner duke nukem

so far it hasn't thrown any more exceptions

[river kernel]

well that will work for now I guess
I've found the bug but that will have to wait a few hours, I got work in a few hours, gotta get some sleep haha

[stable silo]

the heli horizon seems to be no longer slightly transparent like the rest of the hud

[river kernel]

I made it a bit more visible (60% instead of 40%) but I can turn this into an option easily, it'll come with the hotfix (for now its an identified bug and the transparency option, I'll work on the hotfix tomorrow)

Thanks for letting me know what you think 🙂

[quick igloo]

If you’re taking suggestions, is it within the realm of possibility we can change MFD behavior? In my case, I am interested in replacing the engine / hard point status MFD with the RWR map. Ideally, this would be the case when the targeting camera replaces the RWR

[light latch]

hotfix?

[river kernel]

being tested as we speak

[light latch]

cool

[river kernel]

.

New hotfix: NOTT 0.4.1

➡️ DOWNLOAD LINK

Smaller additions

• The transparency of the Artificial Horizon is now configurable

Bug fixes

• Removed leftover logging from debugging
• Fixed a bug with 0.32 where keyboards didn't properly register new inputs anymore

Let me know how it goes, and thanks everyone for your patience 🙂

[royal wyvern]

Wooow. You done update in this day. So awesome. Thank you

[river kernel]

my pleasure 🙂

[river kernel]

clever idea, that could be done but I'm not sure it would work with every cockpit, they all have different layouts so you'd have to adapt the RWR screen for every situation, and since its an existing game object, I'm not too keen on modifying it

could the same solution maybe be achieved by adding a button to toggle the target screen on and off ?

with a small indicator added to the RWR screen reminding you that you have a target screen available

[pine tangle]

This makes an insane amount of sense

[rapid maple]

Maybe with that in mind, the map could potentially be implimented into the RWR to make it more of a situation display?

(It would also mean one less non-diagetic HUD element)

[lethal shoal]

If you hate the map, you can manually hide it by using UnityExplorer and disabling SceneEssentials/Canvas/HUDCanvas/HMDCenter/LowerLeftPanel

There are some numbers next to the object names but I don't know if those change per runtime

[light latch]

i miss the map still showing accurate heading after you lost contact

ik it was a bug, but omg it was so busted in dogfights if you knew how to use it

impossible to hide

[rapid maple]

Y'know, I get the feeling that Smart Munitions Release is probably gonna be permanently deprecated, so I kinda wanna ask if you might be willing to integrate it into NOTT. Long and short of how the mod works, each missile will do a check on the target it wants to fire on and determine whether or not it's a valid target. Range, IR/RCS signature, IFF, if target is lased, DL package accuracy, etc will be used to determine whether or not to fire on a given target or skip to check the next target

[rapid maple]

At the very least the bit about lased targets would be nice

[river kernel]

Lased targets are planned for the next update 🙂

[river kernel]

I'm not sure I wanna automate the rest however, I feel like it could upset the balance depending on how hands off the system is

[rapid maple]

I mean, the point is mostly so that it doesn't shoot AAMs at ground targets just because they're selected and stuff like that

[river kernel]

I see the idea, but this clearly favours mod users IMO

[rapid maple]

Fair I suppose

[river kernel]

Prolly a bug

[river kernel]

I'll do lasers, and gather some feedback 🙂

[rapid maple]

Alright

[river kernel]

This is doable, but a LOT of work I think

I've got some ideas, but it'll have to wait a few days, I'm currently on holidays in Sweden with my family, until the 2nd 🙂

Northern lights hit different IRL ngl

[rapid maple]

A'ight fair enough

[jovial kettle]

I feel like this is going to enter the territory of having an advantage over vanilla players in mp, if it's even mp compatible.
SMR being dead currently is purely from my lack of time and too many projects syndrome🥀

[rapid maple]

It personally read more as a QoL mod to me because the game is kinda stupid with things like being willing to shoot AAMs at ground targets just because they're selected but I guess I understand

[stable silo]

the S3 used to be the best agm in the game lmao

[river kernel]

Hello all 🙂

# New update: Version 0.4.2
## The Kestrel Patch

➡️ DOWNLOAD LINK

Major changes

• Weapon Display & Loadout Preview support implemented for the Kestrel

I want to send my warmest congratulations to @jovial kettle, @twilit dirge and @stable silo for achieving this M A J O R milestone in Nuclear Option modding !!!

You can download their awesome mod here (it's also on the Primeva 2082 server which you can join using this link)!

And of course, a merry Christmas to all 🫶

[ashen lance]

the link is broken

sounds very exiting though

[river kernel]

Both are working for me, which one is causing issues ?

[ashen lance]

second one

[river kernel]

Oh yeah, you must join the Primeva 2082 server first, lemme fix the post, thanks for letting me know

Fixed it 🙂

[ashen lance]

hell yea, cant wait to see the new plane, even better with this mod

[river kernel]

And as you said, very exciting. Big moment for NO mods

[river kernel]

Nikkorap was kind enough to give me a heads up, so I got the patch ready a few days ago before going on holidays 🙂

[ashen lance]

mad respect to yall modders, making our experience better for the love of the game

[river kernel]

Thanks, it means a lot 🫶

[lusty sigil]

Do you know where the documentation of major features is? This thread is looooong

[river kernel]

Hey ! Absolutely, it's all here : https://github.com/clumzy/no_tactitools
Lemme know if you have questions, I'll answer em in a few hours after getting some sleep 🤤

The first message of the thread has links to important sections too 🙂

[river pelican]

my game is now behaving very oddly. the configurator thing isn't popping up when I press f1 anymore. it used to work and then stopped after I played a bit

and It even uninstalled game and reinstalled and its still doing this

these are the only mods I have

[river kernel]

Try this 🙂

[river pelican]

Yep. Those are the steps I followed. it worked for a moment

and then stopped

[river pelican]

ill try those...

[river kernel]

I only interact with Config Manager the "regular" way (adding and reading settings), so while adding some mods might cause some issues, nothing I do specifically causes this behaviour

I've noticed that sometimes the shortcut doesn't register the first time, I've tried reproducing the issue, but even without my mod it sometimes happens 🙁

Lemme know how it goes

[river pelican]

That worked. Hopefully it stays fixed!

Thanks

[river kernel]

Glad to hear it, enjoy 😄

[river kernel]

Thank you sir 🫡

[jovial kettle]

thank you for your hard work 🫡

[hazy crown]

how can I bind buttons to a mouse

I want to bind the mouse buttons, but what would be the controller name for the mouse inputs?

[hazy crown]

Found the solution!

Also I thougt contermeasure controls would activate the countermesure and not just switch to it

[royal wyvern]

Mod developer coop job is awesome. Thank you for support kestrel mod.
Moders rules the world! 👍

[river kernel]

Wow, you fixed it yerself, color me impressed 🤩 I didn't plan for the mouse to be used to add inputs but it turns out my code is more robust than I expected (remember kids, genericity is the name of the game) !

[hazy crown]

I found some old unity documentation on mouse inputs

[river kernel]

That's what I tried to do at first, but I encountered desync issues

[hazy crown]

And mouse inputs are just numbers from 0 to however many buttons you have

[river kernel]

Which means I'd have to touch networking code, which is an ABSOLUTE NO GO

[river kernel]

I didn't expect ReWired to map them linearly internaly, for once its logical lol

[river kernel]

Hell yeah 😎 Enjoy 🙃

[hazy crown]

I know nothing of modding in unity, but what about making the game do the weapon switch and activation in sequence
Basically like an input macro

[river kernel]

This was my first thought

But the CM activation calls an RPC function (remote procedure call), I won't touch these (except for triggering other functions) with a 10 feet pole

The devs are kind enough not to obfuscate their code, so messing with some networked functions is a red line for me sorry 🙁

[hazy crown]

I should look into modding in my free time honestly, like doing something about how the free look binding works in-game. Or like how it doesn't work correctly on anything other than the default binding

[river kernel]

To be more precise, when I did exactly what you described, it worked locally but wasn't reflected to the server

[hazy crown]

Networking is a mess :D
Basically what you are saying is CMs are synced between clients and the server and messing with it will be painful

[river kernel]

Which mean I had to call the "networked variant" of the function, on the other side of the red line

[river kernel]

exactly

I mean I could make it work, but the second an anticheat is deployed, the mod would prolly get flagged

[light latch]

ahahahahah

this game is never getting an anticheat

[hazy crown]

Aah, okay
But another question about that. Is it intended that the switch happens only when the button is released?

Like if you press and hold the input the switch to flares doesn't happen for me

[river kernel]

Yep, its to prevent an edge case : both buttons being pressed at once

But its a good comment, what I can do is trigger the switch with a "long press" with a very short delay !

Good suggestion actually, I'll implement it next update, thanks 🙂

[river kernel]

You're probably right, but I like to act as if that were the case and keep everything client based for now, I have to draw a line somewhere

[hazy crown]

I think there is a built-in function in unity for that :D
If I remember correctly from my school days

[river kernel]

The code is already there, it won't take more than a second 🙂

[hazy crown]

Btw isn't the edge case already handled in unity, like it will just switch to the last input
Because it will just get the onPress and ignore that it's still getting pressed

I might be wrong though

[river kernel]

Can't use Unity standard functions unfortunately, I had to throw together some code to interact with the 3rd party solution used by the game (Rewired)

https://github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools/blob/main/NO_Tactitools/src/Core/InputCatcher.cs

Relevant part if you're interested !

[hazy crown]

Aah, that's why the game uses registry for saving mapping

[river kernel]

Exactly

[hazy crown]

I hate that >:D

[hazy crown]

There is no onPress event right?

Thanks btw, now I know where to look for when trying to mess with free look inputs

[river kernel]

Tbh I should prolly rename some stuff, this is old code 🙃

[river kernel]

My variable names are confusing

[hazy crown]

I don't understand c# anyway so it's fine :D

I'm a golang dev

[river kernel]

onShortPress -> on release
onHold -> while pressed
onLongPress -> after a delay while pressed

[river kernel]

Well, we're on equal footing, I don't understand golang 🙃

[hazy crown]

Only the onShortPress is misleading

Everything is fine

[river kernel]

True. I first wrote this code for the target group recall feature, so calling it "short press" made sense at the time

Not so much now lol

[hazy crown]

Ah yes, naming conventions

[hazy crown]

Well long press with no delay is basically on press >:D

So no worries

I love crutches in coding

[river kernel]

Why use new function when old function do trick ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prisma wing]

I was wondering

does this mod have an option to add an indicator on the HUD target when someone is already firing ordnance at them?

hate sending missiles at something that's already going to die

[unreal roost]

good design principle, if someone makes a custom anti cheat it would get flagged if it did anything weird

[prisma wing]

working on a project too and I see you also had trouble with Rewired xd

wish there was a common library to add actions already

cuz I wanted to add new configurable hotkeys

[river kernel]

oh, that is a MOST EXCELLENT IDEA

do you mind if I steal it ?

[river kernel]

oh yeah absolutely

I'm still a noob when it comes to C#, but that's something I've wanted to do for some time

but ya know, impostor syndrome and all I never got to it

[river kernel]

code's open, feel free to use anything you need 🙂

[prisma wing]

oh please add it

[prisma wing]

ty!

[rapid maple]

Many of these things are like "I would expect an aircraft from 2080 to be able to do this" and being able to get info from allies about who they've fired on over datalink is absolutely one of those things

[river kernel]

for sure, and the info is already on the map anyway

[rapid maple]

Case and point

It's literally already sent over datalink

[river kernel]

thanks, this is going in the TODO list !

[rapid maple]

Now here's a question: will it only be visible on the TGP, or could there perhaps be some indicator on the HUD element to let you know it's been shot at?

Maybe something like this

[stable silo]

hmm that seems like it could get cluttered quick

[river kernel]

I like the idea but that would be too much of an advantage

[stable silo]

are you able to invert the icons

[river kernel]

I'm going for option 1

Option 2 is a Medusa job IMO

running in circles and doing callouts for your mates is a real thing so adding it to all units would make everyone's general SA better than your opponents' and remove this role from the Medusa (who's usually the one staring at the map)

I'd rather keep this as a QOL

[stable silo]

left is a normal unit and right is a unit thats been shot at

idk if this is possible to do without some huge modificaiton tho

im just thinking adding anything extra around a targets icon is gonna get SUPER cluttered

[river kernel]

yeah for sure

but for real this has to be balanced in some way

[stable silo]

yeah i already know if ive been shot at im dead

i don t need an additonal thing telling me

[river kernel]

I mean this would make A2G way easier too

a team using this feature would waste way less missiles, this could snowball fast

I was opening Geogebra to whip up a graph for seeing how I could balance this based on number of units

and stumbled upon the file that started it all, the sim of the interception vector feature

[MOD] [0.32] - NOTT - Cockpit enhancements / UI and HOTAS QoL

[ashen lance]

holy shit math

[prisma wing]

what are the options?

[ionic hornet]

Love our level of math tism in this server

[prisma wing]

just got home :^)

do y'all think a button to unmark targets that don't hav a known datalink position would be cheating?

not being able to mess around the target list easily kinda bothers me

i know you can do it from the map but it's slower than having a hotkey

[hazy crown]

Back to what happens when you don't follow naming conventions
Miku and Teto are functions

[river kernel]

some flavour of having the info displayed on the MFD, with reduced accuracy depending on the number of targets selected (more targets, smaller range before the info is displayed) to balance it

[river kernel]

that'd be a pretty good QoL

I like the idea 🙂

[river kernel]

it is frustrating I agree

I'll try and implement your suggestion and see how it feels !

pretty easy change tbh, I've already coded all the functions needed 🙂

[river kernel]

while this one could take a bit more time

[prisma wing]

perfect

yeah for me it's just knowing on the MFD that I'm not wasting missiles on a basically dead target

[hallow tusk]

thoughts?

[rapid maple]

Guarantee you this will get turned down, but damn would something like this be welcome

Not entirely sure how it would work out with this specific method, though, cause pitch is also part of how missile types are easily told apart. Each type has a unique pitch to accompany their unique patterns

Although, I do have a request: the ARH tone contains the IR tone. I think that should be changed to avoid ambiguity, since you can't tell via audio whether you have an ARH or an ARH and an IR on you

[stable silo]

Speaking of tones

IR growl/beeping audio for having it selected?

[prisma wing]

I'd like to have more warning tones but I'm not sure it'd fit the mod's theme anyways

like, some kind of terrain avoidance warning

[river kernel]

I actually like the idea 🙂

lots of unknowns (what happens when multiple missiles are chasing you, what about different types) but I will think about how to implement such a feature, no guarantees but I really dig the idea

a challenge design wise tho

[rapid maple]

Fair enough

[river kernel]

oh I see, good observation.
I haven't replaced any sounds yet but I could try, maybe repitching one of the tones would suffice (which is believe is doable with unity functions without having to "replace" anything)

[river kernel]

yes

[river kernel]

and yes too

[rapid maple]

"Pull up, pull up"

[river kernel]

I'll go for the Airbus warning lol

[hallow tusk]

you could just keep the missile sfx, they're already good at differentiating

[river kernel]

so pitch them based on their proximity /whatever I use as data but keep the same sound ?

[hallow tusk]

pitch them based on ETA

not distance or speed

[river kernel]

for sure

[hallow tusk]

also, any possibility of this feature as a seperate mod? would love to use this with qol without the incompatabilities of the rest of the mod

[fallow hornet]

Would be cool if we got all the Huds Xed out when close to ground

due to the ground avoidance

[river kernel]

cool idea

[river kernel]

now that I'm at a relatively stable state, I'd like to implement compatibility with the QoL mod once again, before implementing any new features, but this time in a more stable and future-proof way

people really enjoy it so I gotta meet the public where it's at

[hallow tusk]

dunno if offiry's told you, but he's actually working on his own compatabilities with qol

or was, a couple days ago lol

[river kernel]

oh, that's pretty cool, do you mean some sort of compatibility layer ?

[fallow hornet]

This mod and qol being 100% compatible feels like nuclear option 2

[river kernel]

its honestly not much to make it work I believe, just lots and lots of testing

which I HATE

[hallow tusk]

yeah, load orders and such

[rapid maple]

Feel that

[river kernel]

but, someone has to do it 🫡

[fallow hornet]

Goat

[hallow tusk]

don't tell the testing group but this is what development looks like 🧐 🧐

[river kernel]

oh

I'll adapt my code, its easier this way around 🙂

I'll send him a PM, thanks for the heads up

I hope he's not saying my mod is shit hahaha

[hallow tusk]

no, only his own code 💔

such is offiry

[river kernel]

code's dirty in places tho

I could send it all to Claude Code but I don't like working with LLMs

[hallow tusk]

i think the boys have shifted focus back onto the mod itself so compatibility efforts may or may not be a while

[river kernel]

good for them

QoL is much more "professional" than my mod anyway, so I should be the one to adapt

[hallow tusk]

i definitely wouldn't call you or your mod unprofessional, i love your attitude towards modding

[river kernel]

that's really kind, thank you 🙂

[jovial kettle]

If you need testers or to yell at Offiry, you're welcome in the p2082 server at any time!

[river kernel]

I'll be sure to check in more often 🫡

thanks for the offer ! testers are always welcome 🙂

[jovial kettle]

We have free labour

And cookies

[stable silo]

uh huh

for sure

[prisma wing]

seriously how many times have I crashed a Brawler by getting distracted from terrain when doing something

it's great how many cool features we've thought of so quickly

it'd add so much charm if every plane had different alarms too

[proper fossil]

@river kernel hello , i would like to ask if it possibale to make this mod comp with QOL ? because as for now not all aircraft Hud shows correctly , they stuck in loading phase

if there are a setting in this mod that could fix it or something

[hallow tusk]

it is not compatable with qol

it is going to be compatable soon

[proper fossil]

as i played most airctaft work correctly but not all of them

[river kernel]

its been fixed 😉

I need to do some more testing, but it all seems to be working now

[proper fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-jumping-raccoonjumping-gif-24012628

[river kernel]

I'm also working on finer target list control :

• scrolling through your target list
• remove a target from the list
• keep only that target from the list
• the existing target remembering and recalling will be folder into this feature
• a function to keep only datalinked targets
• a function to keep only X closest targets if you have X ammo left

its going well 🙂

[proper fossil]

is there are any beta so i can use NOTT with QOL ?

[river kernel]

using long presses it will all be bindable to a 4 way pov button (or whatever you want as usual)

[river kernel]

we're already in the beta lol

the dll I have atm is not usable as is I'm afraid

[proper fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/scooch-raccoon-chubby-chonk-absolute-unit-gif-14789220

[river kernel]

wont be long tho 🙂

I'd rather ship the new feature I'm working on with the QoL compatibility, people will only need to update once

I'm also thinking of adding a small update checker that will display a message on the menu if a new version is out, ala Xaero's World Map for Minecraft if you've used it

[prisma wing]

i want to test qol later but it looks so different

[fallow hornet]

No more infinite boot screen chicane?

[river kernel]

in QoL mod ?

[fallow hornet]

Yea with this and qol hopping into a chicane the boot is infinite it never switched over to your info screens

[river kernel]

yup 🙂

[fallow hornet]

YAY

[river kernel]

Its good 🙂 Lots of new toys to play with !

[stray aspen]

hey, when do you plan to drop qol compat version? just eager to try 2 best mods together

[solid badge]

it's usable with QoL but some features are broken, particularly the boot screen one for aircraft that originally didn't have an internal jammer

[river kernel]

all I can I say is that the QoL fix is ready

oh and this too (except for a bug where the laser designator is black for the currently focused target)

[river kernel]

so this is done too

now only testing is left 🙂

needless to say this is coming with all the bells and whistles 😎

works pretty good on keyboard too !

[hazy crown]

claude likes to make new functions that don't exist at all

[prisma wing]

Kept 4 data linked targets
cool

is that the remove unknown position targets thing??

[prisma wing]

yeah, they work well for autocomplete and building stuff from the ground (sometimes) but a lot of times you'll have to specifically tell it something's wrong

personally if I'm not interested in the quality of the code and it's a throwaway I like using them. some other times, if I know I can review & mold it to be what I'd have written anyways, fine. but not generally interested in fully generating & replacing the thinking process

[hazy crown]

Codex is quite decent, and every change is a pull request
Also you can give it env variables and secrets

[prisma wing]

sometimes it'll spot a bug, which is cool too

[hazy crown]

Yeah, but it's still unpleasant when it starts just making up shit and tries to gaslight you

[prisma wing]

yea

definitely

if you don't know how to fix the issues yourself it'll gaslight you forever

[hazy crown]

Especially if what you are doing isn't your main specialty

Today it tried to make me use bepinex 6, because plugin I made wasn't loading up

[prisma wing]

I had trouble with Bepinex 6 in NO

my plugin wouldn't get recognized for some reason

[hazy crown]

I don't know anything about modding, I'm a back-end dev

Also monkey patching doesn't exist in Golang so harmony was something new for me

[prisma wing]

it's pretty neat

[hazy crown]

Everything made me hate rewired though

Also there is a lot of hard coded stuff in Nuclear option

[prisma wing]

when I saw the Rewired crap I just backed off from adding hotkeys because I didn't have the time to go into stupid obfuscated code to figure out what was happening :^)

that's extremely annoying and I hope a solution comes out soon

[prisma wing]

like, values in the functions etc?

[hazy crown]

Like in camerastate
If (!Input.GetMouseInput(1) == true ...
And etc

[prisma wing]

ahhhhhh

[hazy crown]

My mod basically intercepts that one call in a class that freezes virtual joystick for free look

And swaps it with the rewired one

[prisma wing]

cool

[hazy crown]

I think there is a way to dump all rewired actions into a log
Well at least that what GPT told me
After that you can use GetInput("Free look") and for binded input calls

[river kernel]

that's one thing I'd like to do at some point, some sort of theming for different platforms

nothing big for a start, different sounds, unique bootscreens and maybe different fonts

not for every aircraft tho, I was thinking in terms of supplier, with something like 3 differents companies with each their own themes

[river kernel]

---

feel free to peruse

[prisma wing]

Ty!

[river kernel]

oof wrong file

that's the one : https://github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools/blob/main/NO_Tactitools/src/Core/InputCatcher.cs

[river kernel]

pretty cool 🙂

[river kernel]

yup 😄

the two items left are :

• fix a bug where the laser designator of the focused target in your list goes black
• find a way to select multiple targets at once without the sound triggering multiple times (my poor eardrums)

[river kernel]

yeah, I only use em to add the tedious stuff, like registering new config options

or if I already have a "scroll target left" function, be my guest, give me "scroll target right"

[river kernel]

oh I'm interested
Working with Rewired has been hard, lots of hours spent looking at code that looked like nonsense

[hazy crown]

Right now making a plugin that just dumps a log of rewired action names and their IDs

[river kernel]

pretty cool

I'd like to integrate the inputs I've added to the real menu at some point

but I dread the time it will take

[hazy crown]

I saw some mod that used the modconfigmenu to read and input so you can bind it
But maybe Im confused

[river kernel]

mod config menu uses standard unity inputs

so no button id above something like 20

and controller ids change depending on the order they're plugged in 😤

[prisma wing]

interesting

looks like it uses the Rewired Control Mapper

https://guavaman.com/projects/rewired/docs/ControlMapper.html

I think if you add Rewired actions it might get caught automatically by the mapper

[river kernel]

interesting, thanks for the link

[stable silo]

config manager still doesnt work for me, am i doing something wronmg

[river kernel]

not that I know of I'm afraid 🙁

Is it never working or from time to time ?

I have to spam the shortcut a few times on my game sometimes

[stable silo]

never working

[river kernel]

Is it only doing that with NOTT loaded ?

[river kernel]

Have you tried this btw 🙂

[winter raptor]

technically, you can tell the difference between IR and ARH but it's only because of a secondary, relatively high-pitched chirping tone

I do agree it becomes ambiguous when you have IR and ARH missiles tracking you simultaneously, but usually this isn't too much of a problem assuming you are given some sort of indicator as to the ranges of the incoming missiles

this is where I think the base missile warning tone (the rapid, soft beeping that persists until a missile's acquisition onto you has been fully defeated) could have pitch adjustment depending on the range of the nearest missile, and could be made a bit louder to be reasonably noticeable

[solid badge]

i find it pretty easy to tell the difference between them

i think the initial tone the RWR gives matters more
IR missiles produce 4 relatively low-pitched beeps, while ARH missiles have the highest-pitched initial RWR tone in the game

[river kernel]

.

New update : Version 0.5.0

Targeting List Control & QoL Compatibility

➡️ Download here

🚨 IMPORTANT 🚨
**The settings for some parts of the mod have changed with this update, so check Config Manager. **

Also the AA Unit Recoloring feature is being deprecated do to the release of a much better mod focused on icons (find it here), it is recommended existing mod users deactivate the feature.

New feature

• Target List Handling :
  • Control and navigate through your target list
  • Currently focused target is displayed on the targeting screen
  • Target Navigation: Can be assigned to separate buttons
    • Cycle through selected targets (Next/Previous)
  • Save/Recall Group: Can be assigned to any peripheral button
    • Long press -> Save target group
    • Short press -> Recall target group
    • Saved target group is reset on respawn
  • Target Selection: Can be assigned to any peripheral button
    • Short press -> Deselect current target
    • Long press -> Keep ONLY current target
  • Smart Filter: Can be assigned to any peripheral button
    • Short press -> Keep only data-linked targets
    • Long press -> Keep closest targets based on available ammo count

Smaller additions

• Compatibility restored with QoL mod
• The target interceptor is reset and stops working when you're being jammed

Bug fixes

• When targeting multiple units at once, the sound only plays once
• The interface sounds added by the mod now follow the audio settings when playing
• Fixed a bug where the Loadout Preview would always show on boot
• Applied MFD recoloring to dynamic System Status elements
• Weapon Display layout tweaks

As usual, feel free to report any bugs and make suggestions ! Expect a hotfix in the coming hours/days, I expect stuff to break 😉
o7

[MOD] [0.32] - NOTT - [NEW UPDATE]Cockpit enhancements / UI and HOTAS QoL

[hallow tusk]

list empty? would also be helpful if position was proportional to weapon hmd location

or adjustable

[river kernel]

you're pretty right, making it adjustable would prevent a lot of issues, like this one

what resolution are you playing at ?

I think I see where the issue may lie

[hallow tusk]

oh, 1920x1080 lol

[river kernel]

oh I see yeah

what I can do is make it follow the actual widget by default

[hallow tusk]

i adjust my HMD so it's more centered and better visible

[hallow tusk]

see if you can grab these numbers somehow

[river kernel]

and add a setting to allow the new indicator to be placed freely, relative to your screen center

[hallow tusk]

then multiply the list position by whatever % the original was\

or something like that

yeah

[river kernel]

as for why the list is empty, I could use a log 🙂

[hallow tusk]

oh yeah, about logs

was getting a ton of spam erlier

i believe i was in slowmode

you're also welcome to throw your builds at us at primeva2082 if you'd like a testing group

you'll also be able to get early access to the builds yourself for future proofing

[river kernel]

thanks 🙂

[river kernel]

that's a pretty good idea !

thanks for the offer !

[river kernel]

aight, its now fully movable (I have yet to fix the auto placement), and the transparency is configurable too

as for the exception I couldn't reproduce the issue but have added a null check where appliable

[jovial kettle]

HUGE 🔥 🔥 🔥

[river kernel]

I'm gonna grab some sleep, hotfix is on the way (not much to fix, I've added some null checks and made the loadout preview's location on the HMD editable), I'll release it first thing tomorrow !

[river kernel]

for those who run into issues like this one, here's the latest DLL, let me know how it goes

[stray aspen]

Hey George, apparently there is a bug that occurs after changing the aircraft: booting screen is not booting, it appears after pressing esc, but weapon loadout is missing from hmd and screens

PS: so booting and weapon loadout preview works properly on 2nd respawn, 1st spawn: everything ok, 1st respawn: hud bugs out, 2nd respawn: everything works properly again

[river kernel]

thanks for the detailed report, it helped ! I think I've pinpointed the issue, here's the latest fixed DLL

[stray aspen]

Thanks for the great work, will def try it later today

[lethal pelican]

f18 betty: ‘roll right roll right!!!’

[pine tangle]

50…40…30…20…10….[Cancelled]

[river kernel]

.

New update : Version 0.5.0.1

Hotfix 1

➡️ Download here

Smaller additions

• The Loadout Preview now follows the weapon panel's position when sent to the HMD
  • It will stay in the top right corner if no weapon panel is present
  • The element's position is overridable with settings in Config Manager if you don't like the default behaviour
• If the target list only has one unit left in it, it can now be deselected using the Target List Controller control for added consistency

Bug fixes

• Added some null checks where relevant in Interception Vector and Loadout Preview to prevent some nasty exceptions from spamming your log
• Improved the Loadout Preview reset conditions to fix a bug where your aircraft didn't boot when respawning after landing it and the Loadout Preview element displayed as an empty rectangle

A huge thanks to the Discord users who helped me pinpoint these bugs, you rock !

As usual, feel free to report any bugs and make suggestions !
o7

thanks @stray aspen & @hallow tusk for the reports, those pesky bugs should be fixed 🙂

[river kernel]

for those of you who have downloaded the hotfix in the last hour or so, please redownload, a change didn't go through 😮‍💨

[upper harbor]

I'm trying to config the controls for my HOTAS controller, but I can't figure out how to register the buttons because they dont line up with the names of the buttons when setting up controls ingame

[Info : NOTT] [00:00:07] [IC] Controller connected: T.Flight Hotas One
[Info : NOTT] [00:00:07] [IC] Controller structure initialized for: T.Flight Hotas One

[Info : NOTT] [00:00:07] [IC] Registering button Hat 0 Up on controller T.Flight Hotas One
[Info : NOTT] [00:00:07] [IC] Unable to parse input code: Hat 0 Up

I cant figure out how to find the input codes i need to type into the config to get it to work

[river kernel]

try this 🙂
https://github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools/?tab=readme-ov-file#how-to-setup-the-mod-to-use-your-hotas-and-keyboard

there are visual examples !

the process is kinda convoluted and doesn't work for all input formats but it seems like yours will work just fine, don't forget to restart the game after applying the settings !

[river kernel]

.

New update : Version 0.5.0.2

Hotfix 2

➡️ Download here

Bug fixes

• Fixed a minor bug where if you had the loadout preview open and on the HMD when disembarking, selecting an airframe with less slots would cause "ghost" labels to appear
• Fixed a minor bug where text from the loadout preview would clip through its box when on the HMD in specific cases
• Fixed a QoL specific bug where the loadout preview would clip with the always-on capacitor panel when on the HMD and aboard an ECM-less aircraft

As usual, feel free to report any bugs and make suggestions !
o7

This will be the last update to this thread, following the opening of the new https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1457927084587483260 !
You are all kindly invited to join the discussion in this thread : https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1457938330153910440

Congrats 🏆@jovial kettle🏆 for being the first poster in this thread !

[indigo flare]

how do i work this

like the mods working idk how to configure it and the thing on my top right is gone

[indigo flare]

ay @river kernel

btw its not urgent cuz im going to sleep real soon and im on my phone

[river kernel]

Installation guide is here 🙂
https://github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools/tree/nightly?tab=readme-ov-file#installing
Btw we've now moved to the new thread over here : https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1457938330153910440

[indigo flare]

Dw i figured it out and found it

I was too stupid to find it lol

[river kernel]

Happens to the best of us, enjoy the mod 😉

[indigo flare]

Yea it feels nicer than vanilla

Also a compatible mod is the fuel endurance timer NOTT doesnt mess with it and fuel endurance timer doesnt mess with NOTT

[river kernel]

Good catch, I'll add it, plus I love that mod 🙂

[dreamy jolt]

countermeasures dont work

[quick igloo]

What a helpful bug report

Lemme just fix countermeasures for you rq

[river kernel]

I'm going to need a bit more details 😉
Have you followed all these steps ? https://github.com/clumzy/no_tactitools/#how-to-setup-the-mod-to-use-your-peripherals

[dreamy jolt]

idk everything else works just fine

[river kernel]

Can I have the logs then ?
https://github.com/clumzy/no_tactitools/#reporting-bugs

[indigo flare]

smol proplem

cant see wepon wen blu screen

(i tanked a ram45)

[stable silo]

As you should

[quick igloo]

You appear to be missing the relevant computer

[indigo flare]

but my flybywires fine

it says datalink faild

[royal wyvern]

@river kernel awesome 0.6 update. Thanks a lot!

[river kernel]

Aye, that's when the front of your platform gets blown off, I'll prolly add an option to make the original UI reappear in that specific case, although I doubt you'll live long enough to use your remaining ammo 😉

[river kernel]

Thanks a ton nykey 🫶

Now let's all move back to the original thread 😤
https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1457938330153910440

[fallow hornet]

Is nott working

[fallow hornet]

will nott disable multiplayer?

[marsh moon]

it will nott.

[fallow hornet]

I thought any mods at all would disable multiplayer but having nott is so nice

[hexed night]

not the case, you can use mods that do not cause issues with the multiplayer state of the client (e.g. things that try to give you infite ammo or teleport you around the map, general hacking etc will either just not work, cause you to desync, or autokick you if the server gets tired of your client sending errors)

but things like NOTT and many other mods work fine

e.g. I always play MP with the mods I made (NOBlackBox, NOFrameLimiter, NOCursorOverride), enabled

[fallow hornet]

@river kernel startup anim is still my fav addon

[magic pecan]

Should be vanilla fr

[timid fractal]

i second this, when using the countermeasure buttons, it only selects that countermeasure and does not deploy it

unless that's how it's supposed to work

[river kernel]

That's how it's supposed to work, for now 🙂

[timid fractal]

ah alright

is changing your selected target supposed to change the target you currently have designated?

because as of right now, it seems to just change which target has a green square surrounding it

[river kernel]

https://github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools#-target-list-handling-uses-new-bindings

Here's the info about this feature, there's more to this than a green square 😉

[timid fractal]

It doesnt focus when i select other targets

I've been testing it out on the convoy mission with the compass

[timid fractal]

Does this only work when i have just one target selected?

[river kernel]

You mean the camera focusing ?

I've kept it vanilla

[timid fractal]

Wdym

I was under the impression that cycling the target and organizing the list would change which target you have designated

[river kernel]

The feature lets you edit the list, but that's it !

Cycling let's you see the detail of any target in your list, pop it or only select this one !

[timid fractal]

Ohhh okay

Thank you

[old flax]

what happens to this mod if i turn off the autopilot mod?

[river kernel]

new questions go here 🙂 https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1457938330153910440