Third Faction

[royal hamlet]

Hold on, don't jump to the pitchforks let me explain

This third faction can be edited, their name and logo can be set. It will only be mission maker specific and can be set alliance as whatever mission maker wishes to do so, and can make them hostile to both parties, friendly or neutral.

I can see this being a good addition to mission maker tools so people can make more immersive campaigns with it.

Extra points if people can make as many custom factions as possible using mission maker.

[small barn]

Custom faction is just a nice idea

[upper tapir]

i support this

[raw parrot]

[crimson lark]

Devs should make a competition and a bunch of people submit their faction ideas

[upper tapir]

[mild finch]

this is essentially a modding tool request, not a request for an actual 3rd faction

[unreal oriole]

I'm definitely probably not biased... I support this ✅

[sleek vortex]

This is a good idea

But who will it be?

[native geyser]

I dont care. But this significantly increase ability for missions creation

[ocean lichen]

Supporting this purely to make planetside 2 style chaos

[knotty gorge]

I vote for Desertali and Ultimeva

[autumn dune]

congratulations you created ARMA 3 KOTH

BLUFOR: NATO/BDF
REDFOR: CSAT/PALA
INDFOR: AAF

[vale bane]

Remnants of the Primeva civil war?

[royal hamlet]

ynow, another good thing with custom factions is
you can add civilians

im letting yall imagination guess the rest

[sleek vortex]

not a new idea

[upper tapir]

WAR CRIMES!!!!

[sleek vortex]

?

[royal hamlet]

my favourite spare time activity

[sleek vortex]

WHY DOSE LIKE EVERY ONE DO WAR CRIMES????????????

[upper tapir]

IMO civilians should all have left by the time tac nukes exist
everyone should be running away

[graceful heath]

We should have 8 or 10 factions in total imo. Maybe even more if its not too difficult to add. 2 default ones and the rest there just for the mission makers. You could do a lot of interesting stuff with it.

Put each player in a different team and you can make racing tracks with separate waypoints for each one of them. Make a mission where there are 4 or 6 teams, each with their own airfield and watch as alliances form and fall apart.

[knotty gorge]

A bit more and It could become a open-world simulation with logistics, diplomacy and civil flights.

Like X3 or X4, or like Elite Dangerous, but... Not in the space.

[graceful heath]

Wouldnt be a bad thing imo. Never played an online RPG with planes. Could be fun. Maybe it doesnt need to be as complex as Elite with its reputation and markets, but more like GTA Online, where people run their own factions and fight over resources (ammo, fuel, nukes).

[knotty gorge]

I played a lot back in time to one, somehow. It had many names depending on region and updates: Space Cowboy, Air Rivals, Ace Online... techcnically they were like starships but as most of it was over planet surface it was somehow a "futuristic planes combat game". Ofc piloting mechanics were very arcade-ish, but it had levels, skills, equipment, ship classes or roles (DPS, support/healer, bomber...) was quite fun in terms of combat and had some layers of tactics and strategy, but also was very grindy and ofc P2W. Have been looking for "something like it" (minus the negatives, i mean) for long time, no success.

[graceful heath]

I feel like were fairly close to making a game mode like this a reality, but that depends on how difficult it would be to add the following:
-random events
-per base resource storage (ammo, fuel, nukes. Something ships already kinda do)
-more teams
-more maps (thats WIP already)
-yoinking containers (and other things) full of goodies (slingload, also WIP).
-capturable vehicle depots
-team invites/team switching (so people can fly as unassociated pilots too)

[keen plinth]

just lore wise I can think of awesome ways 3rd factions could be introduced. Like even though the civil war is over a group from the side that lost, now seen as a terrorist cell plagues PALA and the bdf may have to target PALA's Stategic assets to avoid them falling into this 3rd factions hands, which PALA would see as an act of war hence sparking the conflict ingame creating a 3 way battle

[unreal oriole]

PRF when??? 🙂

[sleek vortex]

Why tho?

[keen plinth]

Prf?

[sleek vortex]

i see no cool naval cammo for them

[granite nova]

imagine having a COIN airplane, but no insurgency force to use it against

[knotty gorge]

A third faction could be just some "World Peacekeepers" (real or pretended). Just think of NATO on balcanic wars on the 90´s. It could also be argued about "4 factions", puting to play that both, Primeva and Boscali, are somehwo also used as proxy in a war between bigger blocks (Like NATO vs Warsow Pact)

[agile barn]

given their reliance on imported/licence-produced stuff, i definitely think PALA's some degree of proxy or similar. not sure about BDF though, they seem to be more self-reliant even though they're a small player on the world stage

[rough roost]

my idea is a rebel or terrorist faction, they would use more cold war designed vehicles, they could base them off cold war prototypes like the Object 770 tank, Sikorsky S-75, Aerocraft Stealth Star 204 SS helicopter, Saab 35 Draken fighter jet, Lockheed XV-4 Hummingbird VTOL, obviously it wouldn't be these vehicles but its an example, they would be more classic and rough, not super smooth like the vehicles we got now

[sleek vortex]

PRF?

[rough roost]

Sure, if that's what people would want to call it, I just want the ability to use more classic designed vehicles

[sleek vortex]

it would work with the lore

[rough roost]

I agree, not only would it give us a look of the cold war designed aircraft each faction operated it would bring a group that could appear randomly through a match attacking either both factions or allying themselves with a single faction giving you the ability to spawn from their base and operate their aircraft or fight their aircraft if they decide to fight your faction, their bases would be more makeshift with a sand or dirt runway with older concept designed anti aircraft vehicles protecting the base, the aircraft would spawn inside a tent like hanger, this would represent hat they never stay in one place and always move around, thoughts?

[sleek vortex]

do you want 100 year old planes?

[rough roost]

no those would be mostly useless, the only use I could see from those aircraft would be hard to detect ww2 fighter bombers like the P-47 or SBD that would be free but useful to drop bombs on bases

[sleek vortex]

this? #community-artwork message

[rough roost]

ok so I didn't realize the game took place so far ahead in the future, I looked at the wiki and saw nothing that said it was this far ahead in the future, so yea then I guess I would like to see 100 year old aircraft in game, to be frank it doesn't seem like aviation changed much in all those years, the aircraft look like they are 2030's type of 5th gen aircraft

[sleek vortex]

well you can look at primeva to see more modern things

[sleek vortex]

offiry is working on a stealth A-10ish drone

[rough roost]

I am looking at the mod now but even as I look at all the aircraft they all look similar to designs I have seen in the past, the FQ-112 Reign holds similar rebalance to the Russian tyrant design that has no name, here's a photo instead, and the XQ-08 Wraith looks like a drone version of the NGAD, more specifically the version I am adding the photo of, the FQ-102 seems to be based off of a cruse missile, either the Taurus KEPD-350, Apache, or Storm Shadow/SCALP EG, I do not know Cruse missiles to well, the XQ-11 Spectre seems to be a mix of the UJ-25 Skyline Drone and the Boeing MQ-28 Ghost bat drone, the SAH-48 Feint is a modified SAH-46 Chicane, the modified version adds many aspects from the Russian Kamov Ka-52 Alligator with the original aspects from the Boeing–Sikorsky RAH-66 Comanche that the SAH-46 Chicane have

[sleek vortex]

FQ-102 is one of the new ones https://youtu.be/fhV9kRVoNks

[rough roost]

it does look awesome, but to be honest for a game set so far ahead in the future I would expect to see fighters that dogfight in space, with the advancements today in air-space travel like the dream chaser, humanity is trying to explore space and we wont stop till we succeed so seeing fighter jets that are based off designs you see today is really disappointing, if it was set in the 2050's or 2040's then I think it would fit much better

[sleek vortex]

dog fight in space? if you want space fighting play childern of a dead earth

[royal hamlet]

i think he means as like star wars type dogfighting

[sleek vortex]

Fr?

[royal hamlet]

i mean, people like star wars dogfighting games and i can see the potential out of it

[sleek vortex]

but are you saying space planes like the ones in halo?

[rough roost]

Yea something like this, personally I would love a new Space dogfighting game but I’m happy with this one, I love the game we have I’m just saying for the timeframe we got, again humanity has advanced its technology so damn fast since ww2 that we could see the first space jet by 2040, the fact that by 2080 in this game they still haven’t developed the tech I think makes no sense, if they wanted to make a game like this I think a year like 2040 or 2050 would fit far better than the 2080’s, I’m just saying the timeframe doesn’t fit the conflict

[sleek vortex]

well bocali and pimeva aint the most modern countrys in the world

the tech may exist but they have things to deal with

[rough roost]

That makes a little more sense but even then I think it’s a bad move on their end setting the game so far ahead in time, that way you can’t be able to operate some of the most beautiful pieces of history around

[royal hamlet]

afaik the nations can't go to space due to kessler syndrome being so f*cked up in nuclear option lore

[sleek vortex]

i think bocali and primeva are just to poor

[rough roost]

that would actually make so much more sense, only nations that have enough money to build space crafts that can push through the debris or space net like items to keep the space over their nation open likely would be the only ones who could resume exploring space, and if we do consider what LE-8 keeps saying bout them being poor that would make more sense, now next question is why no hover carrier

[graceful heath]

This is very off topic, but you know what would be neat? Make the lore so the richer contries tend to go out and colonize space and the poorer ones stay down on Earth to produce metallic hydrogen (because cheaper labor). Metallic hydrogen is supposed to be an amazing rocket fuel. Anyway, what would be neat is seeing some large space habitat (an O'Neill cylinder or something else equally massive) pass overhead every now and then to remind you thats whats actually happening.

Then explain the whole war with BDF and PALA fighting over monopoly over the production of the fuel.

Kinda like that crappy Elysium movie, but whatever, its just background to justify metallic hydrogen.

Tl;dr: i want to see a cool space station in the sky

[rough roost]

I honestly think this would be the best lore for the game

[unreal oriole]

Metallic Hydrogen was retconned 😔

[autumn dune]

How come

[graceful heath]

Bring it back. Make it rocket fuel and a component of a doomsday nuke. Project Sundial lesssgoooooo

[sage heart]

Replaced by zaza factories

[sleek vortex]

replaced by the kool aid man

[analog orchid]

could make a third faction like how arma 3 has independent that’s just like. faction that can do things and not necessarily named

[silk flame]

Need a third faction so we can get proper carrier command 2 gameplay

[sleek vortex]

What is that game?

[cinder verge]

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[exotic flame]

Wait where does it say that? Not doubting just curious

[agile barn]

in the loading screen tips, the hyperion's stated to be a carrier built for export, and the ifrit a licence-produced variant

[exotic flame]

Ohh cool

[tall jay]

This sounds good. Can't wait tò add terrorists

[royal hamlet]

something something darkreach crashing into a tall building

[tall jay]

More like sneaking a 250kt nuke in Feldspar Stadium during an International match

[snow owl]

250kt seems...a tad excessive?

[tall jay]

Wait until they add something like 400kt

[snow owl]

on heartland would be crazy

[tall jay]

Hmmmm... Piledriver style 400kt nukes...

[snow owl]

this seems like it'd be an April fools weapon, make it go mach 10

[keen plinth]

Only just now found out what prf is jesus im slow

[vital vessel]

Up

[graceful heath]

I recently noticed that neutral enrichment plants dont produce nukes. If we had a couple more factions we could localize warhead production to only a couple (or just one) airfields. Basically, set Feldspar to Faction 3 and give it a single enrichment plant. Now, because that plant is a part of an "active" faction it starts producing nukes and delivering them to the ammo bunkers on Feldspar.

An easier solution would be being able to put warheads directly into individual bunkers.