dedicated HOBS missile/S3 buff

[stable horizon]

currently the S3 is....... pretty good for normal usage, but when you get into a dogfight, they lose all purpose until the fight is effectively in your advantage, they can do qite a tight turn while their engines are up, but its burn time is low for a modern missile at 2-3 seconds, making it ineffective as an HOBS missile.

my suggestion is to either add a dedicated dogfight missile or buff either the s3 or the s2, giving it a longer motor burn time and increasing their drag as a tradeoff.

[austere rover]

so a get out of jail free card

[meager fjord]

Self upvote is crazy in this suggestion forum economy

[stable horizon]

It's called pre flaring, you'll get used to it

That's and you consider the 9X and IRIS-T would've been nearly 70 years old by the time of the setting. I don't know about you, but I don't see any current nation still running with AIM 9Bs as their primary IR missile.

[stable horizon]

You snooze you lose, tech don't wait for no one

[austere rover]

forgive me for not wanting lose all my flares every time i merge

preflaring is already a good thing to do but only when the enemy actually points at you

i wish for that to remain the case

[stable horizon]

If only that was the case

[stable horizon]

Asking for 40 degrees off bore is not that big of a compromise, or did you think I was going to ask for it to do the dogfight for you and complete an entire circle

Right now you have to pull lead for the missile to not fail 50% of the time, which is horrible performance for a missile even in today's standards

[atomic roost]

The S2 can easily do 40 degrees off bore, try it some time

it can do about 170 degrees behind you in some circumstances. i think you might have discarded it as a possibility because the number is smaller but it's probably the better missile for what we actually use IR missiles for in NO

[next granite]

yeah S2 serves this niche as the best dogfight missile

[fleet hedge]

S2 turns worse but actually hits targets faster
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120261990422683769/1382985078094954568/nuclearoptionmissiltest.mp4?ex=684fc7b9&is=684e7639&hm=2f8484aa921f046f4e695e8715842d347ec83ddf28441d7d88aaa45f0e709cb3&

anyways, yeah nah the missiles are fine

[next granite]

Interesting

[fleet hedge]

factor of the S2 not pulling much aoa as the S3 and not bleeding speed as much

[next granite]

How are missile aerodynamics modeled? Do missiles also have different energy retentions?

[fleet hedge]

fin size difference + mass affect turn authority
ie. S3s have larger canards than the S2, making them turn much more aggressively

[austere rover]

note that missiles turn purely with magic torque and are simulated as a single object, not multiple like planes

[olive siren]

S2 slightly not so good as S3, but you can do another shot.

Aaand in any case they are very good 👍

[olive siren]

AAA. Probably on this good note should close this thread?

[austere rover]

its still a valid suggestion, even if i disagree with it

[peak pier]

I think the negative sentiment is invalid since one of the principles of NO meta is that "future waits for no one" and evidently in 2070 we'd have missiles at least equivalent to what we have today (much better than current heat seekers ingame) as well as much more advanced cueing systems (which themselves don't need to be modelled since we already have the magical datalink), which should render high-off-boresight capabilities ubiquitous

[stable horizon]

I'm not so much as asking for even higher off bore missiles than we have now, but at least make It on par, maybe it's due to how small dogfight ranges have gotten these days, but they aren't nearly as good as the modern offerings we have

[peak pier]

having worked on one of those missiles myself I'd find it neat