#Rebalance tiers to give lower rank more fair options, while allowing room for additional aircraft.

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quasi mulch
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Are you also suggesting that Rank 0 is removed since the cricket is rank 1? (Or am I misremembering the rank system?)

vale mulch
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Agreed with lower rank darkreach and max rank ifrit. Low rank revoker is questionable and rank 2 tarantula would have to lose it's gun
Compass and cricket at the same rank is outrageous

noble swallow
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Current ranks pretty good. Your alternative variant i dont like

vale kiln
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vale kiln
# vale mulch Agreed with lower rank darkreach and max rank ifrit. Low rank revoker is questio...

Compass at same rank as Cricket is fine TBH.

The Compass is a “trainer” after all… so TBH, it should be the first plane a new player flies.

The Cricket would just be another option if someone wanted something to sneak around and destroy ground targets. After all, it is getting the ability to carry a ton of AGM-48s in the update. Also with it being so fragile, it’s not exactly new player friendly.

tough island
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I disagree whole-heartedly, the Reach can be fine when not piloted by a good player, but this would kinda ruin any kind of progression in ranks outside of Fritter going to the ideal tier

vale kiln
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# tough island But Rank *3*?

Yes. Otherwise, it’s too close to the Darkreach imho. This at least gives lower tiers a bomber option. Then we could get another bomber, in between it and the supersonic bomber.

tough island
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We already have a lower tier bomber.

The Compass.

A good Reach Player can delete airbases from the far reaches of Stratolance range with GRAVITY BOMBS

hybrid sand
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I’d change Darkreach to Rank 4, or even keep it at Rank 5. Put a supersonic fighter bomber like the F-111 at Rank 3, and put the supersonic bomber like a stealthy B-1 at Rank 5. The Rank-5 “trait” of the Darkreach, however, is its massive internal capacity and stealth capability. It’s pretty unmatched in this regard and will only become more capable with the RCS update.

Definitely agree with moving the Ifrit to Rank 5, it creates room for new fighters and also allows the Ifrit (and BDF equivalent) to be proper stealth air dominance fighters.

vale kiln
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tough island
hybrid sand
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hybrid sand
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I do like lowering the Revoker to Rank 2. Id like to see the Revoker treated as the standard capable-yet-budget fighter jet, not the Compass.

vale kiln
hybrid sand
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@tough island @vale kiln The Darkreach should stay at a high rank, players can utilize an F-111 equivalent Fighter-Bomber at Rank 3 as a more balanced bombing option.

Think something somewhat like an Ifrit with speed and bomb capacity, but much worse agility and very limited self defensive missile selection.

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The Darkreach is really, really effective at Rank 5, Slal is absolutely right. I think it’s better to buff the Reach if needed and fill the gap with less oppressive airframes. A classic fighter bomber would carry much less but be an easier transition to more capable aircraft.

vale kiln
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tough island
hybrid sand
# vale kiln Thats why I suggested Darkreach at Rank 4 if we got another bomber at Rank 3. U...

The trade off for speed vs stealth though isn’t as bad as your making it out, the upcoming RCS update is going to make Stealth aircraft super capable, and it’s already fairly easy to get to altitude and saturate enemy forces with 72 bombs without being intercepted.

I honestly think the supersonic bomber will have a payload between an Ifrit and a Darkreach- something like 30-50 bombs, and while it may be stealthier than a fully loaded Ifrit, it probably will still be significantly less stealthy than a Darkreach for balance purposes

vale kiln
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Basically:
Rank 1: Compass, Cricket, (Super Cobra Heli clone)
Rank 2: Revoker, Chicane, Tarantula
Rank 3: (Non stealth F-15EX clone), (F-111 Clone), (Stealthy Apache Longbow Concept - larger than Chicane)
Rank 4: Medusa, SF-1, (Futuristic Propjet Concept), (Futuristic XB-70/B-1B Clone)
Rank 5: Ifrit, Darkreach , (Airborne Electronic Warfare/Anti-Missile Laser Concept)

Perhaps something like this^

This way we don’t have such huge jumps in overall performance between each rank, which would allow lower rank aircraft to not be completely overshadowed by higher rank aircraft. It would also allow for more choices at lower ranks, while making room for more advanced aircraft.

Also, this in turn should also help players who join a match late, to not be immediately outclassed for a long time.

Having too many tiers with lots of “grind” can still be harmful. (Almost every “War Thunder” player knows what I mean.)

Realism/Balance will still need to be considered.
Realism itself can also bring balance:

  • A lightweight aircraft is more likely to have better flight characteristics than a heavier loaded aircraft for example.
  • A large aircraft is generally easier to see and less stealthy, and may be required to use land bases (not carrier capable).
  • Bigger guns generally have more recoil, and may shake the aircraft (or even slow it down, like in the case of the A-10). They also weigh more, and have generally result in carrying less ammo.
tough island
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The Compass is so beloved because its a Budget Ifrit.

If you are unhappy you can't fly Ifrit, you have Compass.

lofty fable
vale kiln
tough island
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Why do you think I said Budget.

While it has most capabilities (good payload for weapon systems, decent speed, mediocre turning performance, good flare count) they are pretty universally worse than the Ifrit, but not so much so that it can't be used in the same roles as Ifrit

vale kiln
tough island
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Gonna say something here, while the 27mm DP gun is good, I've only fought 4 players who have used it, and of those 4 only one scored hits with it.

And I mostly go in and ruin MP matches for those who aren't as experienced.

I would also advise googling what "Budget" means as an adjective.

vale kiln
tough island
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Compass:

Ground Strike
Air-to-Air
Multirole
Anti-Ship

Ifrit:

Ground Strike but sneaky
Air-to-Air but sneaky
Multirole but sneaky
Anti-Ship but sneaky

Right. Toooootally different roles

lofty fable
vale kiln
tough island