Heavy Gunship Helicopter

[flint lance]

A helicopter with a coaxial blades and a pusher prop. This helicopter would be able to carry a significant amount of munitions, with 6 (3 per side) air to ground mounts, capable of mounting 48 Lynchpins, or 4 AGM-48s, or 2 AGM-68s each, as well as 25mm flexguns or even 1 250kg bomb each. The A2A wingtip mounts are only capable of carrying 1 S3 per wingtip. The underslung turret is a 40mm autocannon with HEKP rounds, making is effective against even armoured vehicles, but have very little effect against buildings, less than even the Chicane 30mm, as well as being able to carry only 120 rounds due to the larger ammo size.

This helicopter would have a rather large RCS, and would be significantly less agile than the Chicane, as well as costing about 50-60mil (possibly).

The approximate max speed would probably be close to 550km/h, although a good pilot could squeeze out a bit more by good prop control.

The way the prop works is that you can choose to redirect some collective to the prop, losing lift but gaining forwards speed, from 100% of your collective, to -100%, in case you wish to go backwards. This is not automated, and would be controlled by the player, as the flight assist would be hover.

At high enough speeds, the small wings create a significant amount of lift, meaning you use less fuel when going at high speeds, if you are capable with using collective.

This helicopter would likely be insanely fragile, able to lose the end but if the rotor is even slightly damage, the helicopter would likely shake apart, opposite of the Chicane that can survive significant weapon fire and be landable.

It would also be much larger than the chicane, but be able to take less fuel due to MTOW, and the high speed fuel efficiency.

The purpose of this aircraft is to provide a late game helicopter that is unique from the chicane in terms of capabilities and has a far higher skill cap thanks to it.

People always say the problem with the chicane is speed, so I came up with this to make a helicopter for rotary wing enthusiasts that can be used in the late game without being slammed by bombs, while having a far higher skill ceiling and having different downsides compared to the Chicane

Also both the Cheyanne and Black Shark are cool and both are inspirations, obviously. Cheyanne more than Shark but the Shark helped

@torpid cypress I thought you may have opinions on this

Oh yea this thing is a brick of an aircraft. It looks like a brick, you throw it at people you don't like, it flies like an angry brick, and its got the radar return of a brick its size

[torpid cypress]

if its less agile, more fragile, and only has 50kmh higher top speed than the chicane, how is it more impervious to bombs

[flint lance]

150, 550km/h speeds

[torpid cypress]

chicane can naturally go 500kmh without self-damaging, done it every now and then

[flint lance]

550 in the same situation a chicane reaches 350, with potential for higher speeds, is what I meant.

Highest rated max speed, hence the comment about a skilled pilot being able to squeeze out more

[torpid cypress]

i see

[flint lance]

Although since it is more fragile, its true safe max speed is still not as much more as a chicane, probably only an extra 75-100km/h instead of the 100+ of the Chicane, although you don't need to go downwards at high speeds to reach it, instead reaching it by balancing the pusher prop well

[hasty walrus]

The issue with the Chicane isn't speed as much as time investment to make it to your target or god forbid RTB imo
Which, like duh it's speed but it's already a very fast choppa

[knotty wren]

@flint lance I bow down to your art.

Also, ⬆️ for me. I'd really like to fly a compound helicopter in the game.

And I would also like to point out that pusher prop is not the only option.. ever seen one of these sexy beasts...?

[static dove]

so are you suggesting some thing like the Sikhorsky S-97 Raider?

[rain bramble]

Raider x yes please

[flint lance]

Bump

[somber quartz]

compound heli would be cool

[rain bramble]

Gimme SB-1

[flint lance]

Also I have no clue on the caliber of the gun turret

[meager wedge]

Funnily enough, Armored Core has something similar to what you're suggesting and I always loved the idea of the Hind but bigger in every aspect

[late heath]

i never understood how ppl struggled to kill that thing

[meager wedge]

It's a genuine skill issue on their part, such is the tutorial bosses of FromSoft games.
Yeah I got my shit rocked a few times because new game new controls, but the helicopter was nothing compared to pre-patch Balteus

[late heath]

balteus my beloathed

[brave tree]

but in order to depict the idea, you could simply view a photo or render of raider x or sb 1 defiant

[flint lance]

Yes however I prefer doing a poor drawing

[brave tree]

😁

[brisk oyster]

I like same flight scheme. It looks must be faster, and overall better. And maybe it can carry more payload.
My friend make it in stormworks and it was pretty good

[brave tree]

the reality is that it was not adopted, preferring another project

[brisk oyster]

That sucks

[tired flax]

Everyone keep in mind there is a HARD ceiling on chopper speed due to physics, tilt rotor is best you get for going faster while being rotor.

[flint lance]

Thats the idea of a pusher prop. At especially high speeds, the top blades will act more like a flight surface than they will rotors, while the pusher prop does most of the work

[tired flax]

ok...it still hits the hard cap...at certain speed a horizontal rotor just makes you pull straight up

[tired flax]

Due to these limiting factors, the maximum forward speed of a helicopter is limited to about 250 mph (402 km/h). Drawing a very close comparison to the theory, the world speed record for a helicopter is 249.10 mph (400.80 km/h).

[somber quartz]

what if it was a stopped rotor

[tired flax]

well I would love to see how you transition and flip one blade and lock in place...mid air...without crashing lol

[flint lance]

Pusherprop helicopters reach a higher speed, such as the Sikorsky X2 at 481km/h

[tired flax]

Yeah, read about how rough that was and it was only done with no payload. Unless you want to jump through a lot of hoops and not get as good of returns in the end, tilt rotor is the go to for going faster in a "kinda helo". Be that like real world ones or the ones in say Avatar.

This is what I want

[kindred sky]

This is due to retreating blade stall, which coax rotors somewhat counteract. There are also things like winglets that can be used.

You cant really RBS the Chicane in NO because after a certain speed the winglets make up for the lost lift in the rotor system and it kinda flies like a fixed wing. (Despite it having a traditional rotor layout)

[kindred sky]

This would likely be very unstable in the pitch axis.

[tired flax]

There is still a pretty firm top end for speed. As to the other one being unstable I dont know enough to say, I only know about the top speed due to my dad going on a VERY long rant about the old show with the jet chopper, Airwolf, lol.

[kindred sky]

Yeah sure, everything has a limit it will reach. My only point was that alternative designs arent really bound to that 400km/h cap.

[tired flax]

They can eek out a little more, but not much (60-75kph more) and from what I read the ride got VERY rough.

[brave tree]

Sikorsky and Boeing freely solved this problem

and by the way, the helicopter's world record is 444 km h. but I agree about the tiltrotor. bell v280 turned out to be faster than Defiant. therefore, the bell project won the competition.

[tired flax]

I admit I could be out of date...havent looked into it since early 2000s

[near ember]

How about this one? can wipe out an entire convoy or base without breaking a sweat, plus it could use the same redundancy system as the tarantula...

[tired flax]

tell me thats a bad photoshop please

[brave tree]

Sikorsky s 97 raider updated it in 2015.

[brave tree]

about the question about Photoshop. It's a movie. Have you watched the avatar? This is a flying rocket and artillery base for chasing all sorts of blue-skinned Papuans. Along the way, it is also an airborne platform.

[tired flax]

guess I never noticed how ugly it was

[flint lance]

Ew

[late plinth]

i think i prefer the compound heli design more

[flint lance]

Full offense to James Cameron, that looks terrible
And if you want a ground attack Tarantula, it's called the Tarantula

[quasi wagon]

i remember suggesting an idea very similar to this half a year ago.