#stealth attack helicopter

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primal grove
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Chicane

sonic haven
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but bigger

primal grove
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Also, what your recommending is way to OP for the base game

night bronze
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AGM 64 goes hard

modest nimbus
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the armaments are way overkill for NO, Chicane already has a stupid number of missiles

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a GL would be funny for killing light vehicles but utterly useless against IFVs and APCs
being able to carry up to 28 48s is ridiculous, as is the same with having up to 8 S3s or any number of sythes

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as much as I wanna see heavier equivalents of the Chicane and Cricket, this is too much. thats a badass image though

keen seal
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chicane is already the heavy stealth attack helo. 16 hellfires is a lot, as is 42 lynchpins+8 hellfires. hell it's basically the heavy cricket too...

primal grove
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30mm apfsds is better

trail mesa
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sure but why not both? I would like an unguided area suppression weapon to suppress SPAAGs and SAMs

sonic haven
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So, the same thing as 30mm HEDP, which we already have?

keen seal
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chicane 30mm within about 1km can obliterate an MBT in seconds. you dont really need anything more exotic

modest nimbus
trail mesa
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yes you can, thats what rockets are for. i just want more options for that role. @keen seal Do you fly the chicane? That is completely untrue.

modest nimbus
keen seal
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if you WANT something exotic, why not put an anvil gun on a chinook?

modest nimbus
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if Im trying to get within spitting distance of an IR sam or SPAAG i might as well crash the damn chopper myself

trail mesa
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I mean literal suppression with fire, specifically lynchpins. They are effectively offensive countermeasures. If you fire rockets, the AA will stop firing at you and start defending itself

sonic haven
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I dont really see value in adding a platform to the game that does the exact same thing as the Chicane, but just with more of everything. The ordnance loadouts the existing aircraft have are the way they are for balance reasons.

We should flesh out other roles before doing reduntant stuff

modest nimbus
keen seal
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thats not what the "suppression" in SEAD means. jammers aside, it means distracting the air defense with imminent threats to its life, which it must respond to by shooting the inbound munitions and not you
suppression of ground vehicles means panicked return fire and a mad dash for cover

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or really, making the air defense shoot anything except that which it wants to shoot, including being unable to shoot when it wants to

modest nimbus
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people who've been here a while tend to understand the balance and gameplay enough to know a super short range weapon with less potential damage than a 30mm isnt going to be very useful

primal grove
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Public so people can put their opinions on it, you just gotta deal with it

keen seal
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MAWS is psychic in this game, optical bombs will trip its alarm. lynchpins are the solution, raw numbers with just enough guidance to reduce shooter workload

modest nimbus
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Unguided does not equal stealthy, your in line of sight of the target at short range and actively shooting at it. if you try to suppress an anvil with a GL at 4kms its just going to blow your head off (literally)

trail mesa
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sure, pull up Mitch's comment. I accept the opinions of the actual creator rather than a bunch of naysayers with zero authority

primal grove
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#feedback-and-suggestions message

sonic haven
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Homie, 30mm exists, and does what you want in a GL, but better. Look at how much more propellant a 30 has, compared to a 40. It'll have more range, and faster travel time, for a negligible reduction in warhead capability. Which is probably why a lot of modern attack helos have 20/30mm guns, instead of grenade launchers. They are cool, but they went out of fashion towards the end of Vietnam

modest nimbus
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a GL is
slower than a cannon
weaker than a cannon
shorter range than a cannon
much less accurate than a cannon
holds less ammunition than a cannon

Which means
more time, rounds, and risk factor per kill, and many less kills before you run dry

keen seal
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now i want 57mm chicane...

modest nimbus
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you asked for a devs opinion and then said the creator of the game was stupid...

sonic haven
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Anyway, to summarize: An attack helicopter with MORE of everything doesnt seem like a good addition to me. All it would do is mess with balance, put the Chicane out of a job, and still get totally farmed by fixed wing aircraft, just more expensive with the economy update. No double standard here, I just dont think its a good fit.

modest nimbus
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a heavier helo eventually would be awesome tho, I wanna see some bigger, faster helos for later-game that can deliver more ordance faster to make up for the chicanes stupidly long travel time to kill a single convoy late game

keen seal
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"existing airframe but M O A R" seems to be a common theme among suggestions. better cricket! better chicane! compass w/ afterburners! cant say im interested other than maybe nudging cricket firepower up

sonic haven
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primal grove
digital flax
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yeah the Chicaine already hit really hard, that's not really why it's off meta as others have said

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I think making stealth better generally for the Chicaine and Darkreach would be a good move tho

modest nimbus
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id rather fly a cricket late game tbh

digital flax
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right now "stealth" can MAYBE make the difference between being detected all the way across the map or only most of the way across the map

modest nimbus
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Chicane is SO slow
its basically a loitering skeet shoot for Revokers late game.
seriously we need something to make late game chicane less monotonous

digital flax
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and sortie time is such a huge factor too it makes the Chicaine less competitive, hopefully econ solves some of these issues

primal grove
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It's a helicopter, what do you want from it

keen seal
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compound helicopter chicane :P

modest nimbus
digital flax
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luckily this game isn't as tightly bound by simulation as other games, mitch can just unilaterally decide to make the Chicaine stealthier or whatever in the name of balance if that's what he thinks is best

and add heli FARPs

primal grove
keen seal
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agreed. foxtrot pass FARP is a godsend, and a big ol' FARP-in-a-box transport helo would be the ultimate chicane buddy, just barf out two HLTs and maybe an aerosentry and boom, resupply point!!

analog lake
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One must imagine a NukeOp ACH-47...

left topaz
primal grove
keen seal
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why? chicane already deletes tanks from side and top shots, and i doubt 30mm can ever do much to the front

primal grove
analog lake
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General consensus assumes its HEDP which would probably have the same effectiveness as api

modest nimbus
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ive dumped hundreds of rounds into MBTs from those angles and they never die

keen seal
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i did it from sub 500m range, so it has to be knife-fighting distance

primal grove
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primal grove
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:3

atomic seal
modest nimbus
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maybe my hits are just SUPER unlucky

vocal zodiac
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Whenever I try this one of my rounds stray of and hit a danger close munitions truck 😆

keen seal
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💥

vocal zodiac