additional ships

[graceful rock]

Logistics ship, can resupply close ships while moving

Patrol boat, hydrofoil or stealth patrol boat armed with 6 agm 68s and a small machine gun. Attacks in groups, returns to nearest port/resupply ship to rearm, then rejoins group

[jovial sage]

pretty unrealistic, boats currently are reloaded in port afaik

which is a long process

[scenic edge]

Ships have been resupplying other ships at sea for ages, so it is realistic. Re-arming naval vessels is something else, but there is no reason to think this wouldn't be feasible in 2070 in another universe.

IRL the US Navy has been looking into this since the 1990s, and a demonstrator is possibly coming this summer - https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/2024/03/05/rearming-us-navy-ships-at-sea-is-no-longer-an-option-but-a-necessity/

[rare zealot]

my dad served on a carrier; at sea resupply and rearm has been done BEFORE 1990s

[graceful rock]

maybe even the logistics ship could lift the patrol boat onto its deck or smthn to reaload

[scenic edge]

This is specifically about reloading VLS cells at sea, which could be said to be the Shard's primary weapon.

Either way, the realism crowd shouldn't be complaining. Plenty realistic.

[graceful rock]

port would essentially be a coastal vehicle depot,

[inland bay]

The AGMs are fairly small, as in a few big guys can carry one if needed. We have done at sea re-arming of much bigger items. I also want an Aegis-ish or other Cruiser style ship (gave a name because different nations consider different things different classes)

[frank jacinth]

For resupplying and rearming, a specific supply and crane ship would need to be modeled and added. While I do think that this could be possible, it would be much better suited for the larger map. On the current map, with the upcoming destroyers and AShMs in the works, a ship could easily hit a crane ship and destroyer undergoing rearming. On a larger map though, if a ship were to go winchester, they could sail out of enemy cruise missile range and rearm with minimal risk.

[jovial sage]

i think a cool feature would be to drop off a ammo container from the tarantula to rearm a ship defenses

[frank jacinth]

Tarantula would be a bit big for shards tho. Would it be like dropping a supply crate from under the airframe as an external load? Like how a Blackhawk carries crates for aerial resupply ops.

(Damn, it didn't crop)

[jovial sage]

it could hover with the ramp on the helipad

[frank jacinth]

Fr boutta become the next best thing since landing darkreaches on carriers 🔥💯🗣️

[inland bay]

Ships also can use cable lines they fire over to each other and basically zipline stuff, in WW2 they did it even with sending torps over

[frank jacinth]

Yes, but they have to maintain speed and course with the resupply ship, making the supply ship and the combatant vulnerable targets for Anti-Ship missiles to hit. On a larger map, it wouldn't be so much of a problem, since the combatants can disengage and resupply pit of range. That just isn't possible on the current map, considering how small it is.

[inland bay]

All forms of resupply leave ships vulnerable, even shopper based...because thats a big unarmored bomb on deck

[stray quail]

if ships were a bit more conservative with their missiles it wouldnt be so bad, and still leaves draining ships of ammo as a viable tactic

[neat bolt]

give the attack boat a VLS s1 launcher to use as antimissile and short range AA

upgun it too. Replace the machine gun with a rotary 20mm turret

[inland bay]

VLS cells are not small lol, it would be just a new version of Shard at that point

[neat bolt]

s1s are very small.

put like eight of them on the roof in a box.

[inland bay]

VLS cells are not...more goes into them then just a tube, better off with a deck box turret

[frank jacinth]

I mean, you could also just steal the turret off of the Linebreaker SAM or AFV8 MAD, it would make the battery more compact.

[inland bay]

yeah, but he said 20 so... I went with it

[frank jacinth]

Were you thinking about a 20mm gun like an IFV or a gun like the shard's CIWS? Or are you referring to the RIM-116 launcher listed above?

[inland bay]

he said 20 missiles

pardon me 8

still RIM turrets I think got put on patrol craft that are smaller then a shard

[frank jacinth]

Erm, Akschually, the RIM-116 RAM point defence turret has 21 missiles, not 20 🤓🤓🤓🤓

In all seriousness though, whether it be 8 or 12 wouldn't really matter. If you want 8, you could change the AFV8 MAD turret a little to make it more like a boat SAM and not an IFV SAM. You wouldn't necessarily need to change the Linebreaker turret at all to put it on the boat. It wouldn't necessarily matter too much to me, as the boat would probably carry at least an extra load of AA missiles and more rounds for the 20mm, which could be further boosted by a supply ship (if one were to ever be implemented)

[inland bay]

there is also the 11 cell SEAram

[inland bay]

Know what , lets just rip the turret of directly Russian style lol, just slap it on

[frank jacinth]

Yea lmao just tear the turret off a Linebreaker SAM and put it on the boat. Tear the CIWS/IFV gun (TBD) off the respective vehicle and slap it on the boat.

[neat bolt]

for ships weapons loadouts I propose allowing them to load different weapons into their VLS cells instead of adding new launchers. This would allow shards to have an all RAM-45 loadout or a rocket-pablo launcher or VLS AGM-68, since I'm not sure the RAM-45 VLS would be able to fit larger missiles like the cruise missile or upcoming AShM

[digital atlas]

If we don't get a supply ship,at least have combat ships automatically retreat to the edge of the map to resupply when out of ammo

[inland bay]

I mean Russians really did it lol

[frank jacinth]

Or go back to allied port buildings (when implemented)

[inland bay]

I mean they dont run out of missiles now, no non-plane does

[jovial sage]

everything has limited ammo unless its near a ammo truck, and ships dont rearm at all.

[inland bay]

I have had 1 ship fire 30+ missiles at me while I practiced using the laser and jammer, hell was likely a lot more then that due to it being about 30minutes and they fire more then 1 every minute

[jovial sage]

the shard has 40 ram 45s

[inland bay]

And a boltstrike?

[jovial sage]

16

if it doesnt have an ammo truck within 300m

if it does then♾️

[glossy carbon]

ye they should at least try and get themselves out of harm's way

[inland bay]

Perhaps these invasion craft?

As you can see from this museum piece, they can get big. You also have those big hover landers the USMC loves.
Give it say a a S3 where the main deck gun up front is and CWIS at the other 4-6 spots, make it a hard nut to crack since its a "Make or break" unit for an invasion.

[glossy carbon]

I actually have no idea what modern day landing craft look like

[inland bay]

not very differrent, just cargo ships with ability to do "roll on, roll off" without a dock

[glossy carbon]

ig I thought marines just use dingies and choppers then the army gets airlifted to the neighbour country and takes the road

[inland bay]

these are the marine hover, ground effect, ones

[glossy carbon]

oh ye those look sick

[inland bay]

Beach head is made by amphibious tracked vehicles first then those come in to drop bigger tanks and such then the big boys I first posted show up basically, just modern

[glossy carbon]

I might be wrong but didn't the USMC retire all of their tanks?

[inland bay]

Honestly I dont deal with the crayon eaters so I have to look into it, I just dont think they have Abrams anymore though

[inland bay]

Dang, they dont even have a gun on the engineering/mine remover anymore... use to be a M551 I think

[graceful rock]

https://discordapp.com/channels/909034158205059082/1228894019069673515

[neat bolt]

Another additional ship type: a frigate, smaller than the destroyer but with a somewhat comparable but reduced type of armament.

Normal Gun instead of railgun, less missiles, etc. maybe a bit faster too.

[glossy carbon]

dw I'm sure the royal marines aren't doing much better either

[inland bay]

Doesnt even list the good kits for the infantry vehicles...they use to have good kit

[inland bay]

Didnt see that one, giving it an Up vote too

[inland bay]

Lol we already have that in the thread, in fact it was you and me talking about an attack boat
Rocket Man Dan — 08/10/2024 2:53 PM
give the attack boat a VLS s1 launcher to use as antimissile and short range AA
upgun it too. Replace the machine gun with a rotary 20mm turret

[neat bolt]

I thought an attack boat would be smaller than the corvette hence boat. I did sort of turn it into a mini-shard I guess.

A frigate would be in between the destroyer and corvette in size

[inland bay]

I think we go full russian on the smaller craft. Slap a IR SAM turret dtraight from a unit on it and an Aerosentry too, maybe 2 of them

[neat bolt]

Ok 👍

[inland bay]

Really Corvette/Attack Boat/Patrol Craft/Frigate are all more or less the same size, just depends on how the nation in questions navy is feeling that day

[neat bolt]

Is this a corvette (sorry that was a joke but I didn’t make it clear)

[glossy carbon]

I mean the main problem is there aren't any official naming rules, so as a country you could technically call it a battleship and it would technically fly

[neat bolt]

No, the battleship rules are very clear and all the naval people would get pedantic about it. (You see that a lot on “modern battleship videos”) I bet you could get away with classifying the boat as a corvette though.

[glossy carbon]

I believe frigate is the size above corvette

[glossy carbon]

mmm ye no battleship was a bad example, but still look at what the soviets classified their carriers and cruisers, or how China calls (almost) every non-carrier warship a destroyer

[inland bay]

I found Mission is what seems to determine name not size

[neat bolt]

Yeah that’s true. In a game though everything might need a memorable and distinct name, so we could use different ship classes rather than “everything is a destroyer”

In modern warships though, there isn’t a huge amount of difference that is true

Like those “helicopter destroyers” from Japan are literally just carriers. That is a funny one.

[graceful rock]

id call that a patrol boat
doesnt it have a plane hull?

[inland bay]

I 100% support we need clear ship classes in game, was just saying that throwing a class type out really doesnt say much without either example or details

[glossy carbon]

what he said

[neat bolt]

Oh yeah, I should’ve made that clear. We might want a smaller ship than the destroyer, armed with Antiship missiles, but larger than the shard. This way we can keep the shard the same but have a small but well armed warship.

[glossy carbon]

I agree, I believe frigate is in between destroyer and corvette and would be a good name

[inland bay]

Those 3 classes are interchangeable for weight and I could even see them being about same size in game, the class type tells you the weapons on board. Otherwise you get into cruiser turf real quick

[neat bolt]

Yeah frigate and destroyer is basically interchangeable

[graceful rock]

something like a kirov class cruiser would be cool also

[inland bay]

look at the size of a shard next to the carrier, we have a pretty decent size ship on our hands

[neat bolt]

Make it nuclear powered, put a couple of lasers on it. A whole bunch of missiles, and guns. It needs a couple of good sized guns. They could be railguns or combustion light gas guns if you want to get futuristic

It’s boss fight time

[glossy carbon]

isn't the corvette the patrol boat, the frigate the asw, the destoyer air defence, and the cruiser land attack?

[inland bay]

Eh, depends on nation lol
For USA it just changes the type of destroyer

[glossy carbon]

true that, ticos are cruisers but still mainly do air defence

[inland bay]

US approach is Destroyers, Subs, and Carriers...the rest is either being retired or is logistics it seems.
BUT I am not a navy guy, I am exUSAF so I could be wrong...never wanted to be a sardine lol

[agile briar]

Most navies frigate is just small destroyer. Think hi-lo mix