War Thunder Mouse Flight

[wind lodge]

If this is already suggested im sorry i cant see the other suggestions for some reason, but to make it easier to fly, we could get mouse flying like how war thunder does it

[azure moth]

We have mouse flying as an option already

[dense frost]

i think he means mouse aim, not mouse joystick

the mouse mode where the plane automatically guides to where the cursor is

[azure moth]

Ah

[karmic summit]

never gonna use but doesn't sound bad

[wind lodge]

Yep

[lunar cipher]

I feel like it'd make the game too easy
as it essentially automatically stabilizes your plane

[azure moth]

I tend to agree

[wind lodge]

Well i cant exactly yaw with the joystick aim

[stone galleon]

the exact war thunder mouse control is patented, so no, we can't have that.

[vernal glen]

You could probably do the arcade controls that some games do and then map it to mouse. The issue imo is that it trivializes the flight aspect of the game and makes things like close in dogfighting and terrain navigation way too easy. Maybe as a counter balance the pitch limiter has to stay on and theres a g-limiter so it basically acts solely as an accessibility feature.

Oh also doesnt warthunder mouse aim require third person?

[lunar cipher]

no,it works in first person as well,even if it's less useful in that situation
since it works best when you can see around the entire aircraft

[vernal glen]

I see

[small slate]

keyboard yaw controls

[karmic summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmKQ-WZNRW0

[wind lodge]

Ever heard of the game flyout?

[faint loom]

Q/E

[snow crest]

how can they patent a video game input system?

[north coral]

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130252208A1/en

[orchid geyser]

i mean if corporations can copyright COLORS then this doesn't seem that far fetched

[wind lodge]

People downvoting just dont wanna have fun playing

[vernal glen]

Pain and suffering is fun to me :^)
Imo the mouse aim in war thunder took away a lot of the sim elements of the game and made "realistic" controls unviable apart from maybe pulling a little more g's sometimes. I could be on board as long as its not overpowered compared to actually leaning into the sim part of the game. How it would go about that is a whole other thing.

[lunar cipher]

War thunder's controls make all planes feel very same-y
as you're just telling them what direction to go in,rather than directly moving the control surfaces

[left spire]

War Thunderscontrol scheme of making the mouse the "directional intent" like a fly by wire system, where the exact joystick movements corresponding to aligning with the chosen direction are made, are excellent! No voilation of physics. Just pure critical thinking and math. You can even help the system with A and D to allow the system to more aggressively accommodate the directional change intended. Super smart stuff. And logical. And realistic, at least in terms of physics. I am all for mouse aim directional intent fly by wire systems.

[small slate]

and unfair as you dont have to learn the airplane to fly good

[left spire]

You do learn the airframe. The yaw input is the most efficient input made to ahcive a certain change in direction. it's different based on speed, alltitude, air pressure, and ofcourse, airframe. You do indeed get the same knowledge as anyone else. If not better, because you get the most efficient asnswer physics qequations can give, making you have a "knowledge" that even someone who flies full sim may not have experienced.

[snow crest]

Yeah, but instead of getting that answer it gives it to you

[left spire]

Well yes, but it still aids in critical thinking development, and reasoning skills. So I would say its fair in terms of learning the aircraft. Not different than looking up the encyclopedia for empty takeoff speed. Some knowledge is freely given and not needed to learn or discover.

[snow crest]

what? How is that the same? The only thing tou need to know about a plane with this control is turn time and stall speed. Also after you have learnt the aircraft what happens?

[left spire]

It's the same because its knowledge about the aircraft. So how is it possible to say that the knowledge given by a wire control system unfair because it voids learning of the aircraft, when the encyclopedia offers extrmely detaield performance stats that innfluence take-off player behaivor anyway? It's fair because it is. Also, a fly by wire system is tuned for efficiency, not immediacy. So not using it will still be useful. A fly by wire system is not "unfair" to the player at all. It's also not capable of giving an advantage in every dogfight. It's just a user input method that is both physically compliant and easy to use.

[snow crest]

“It’s fair because it is” what kind of argument is that

[azure moth]

<@&1118065368657821747> Makeshift is at it again

[left spire]

Right. Let me elaborate on the reasoning. It's fair because it doesn't offer more power in every situation to the person who uses it, and the knolwedge it provides is not as extremely obscure as what other similar knowledge is given in the encyclopedia! It's a statement that clarifies the logical connection of previous points, not it's own topic sentence!

[orchid geyser]

ok makeshift i gotta get real here because this has been on my mind for a while: you keep talking about "logic" and "math" and "realism" when what you're saying usually tends to make very little sense to the rest of us and to me at least it really comes across as you trying to look or sound smart to try and impress people, like i really don't see what a war thunder esque mouse control system has to do with "critical thinking" or "math", i mean maybe you do have a really good point but the way you deliver your ideas comes across as trying to sound smart without actually knowing what you're talking about

[left spire]

Can you explain how?

[azure moth]

All you ever do in here is argue, and you aren't even good at it. A lot of this looks to be taken right from an AI chatbot, and it's often incorrect anyway. Your messages are excessively long and rambling, and they get off-topic a lot too. Looks like chatbombing to me, and I'm not the only one who thought so.

[dense frost]

mm to be fair this one is actually not totally off topic this time, bad reasoning/argument or not

just having a flawed argument isnt against a rule, so since its on topic its not really egregious this time imo

[left spire]

It's a one on one reply, logical point by point, using principles of mathematical logic on Coursera! (Free course) The main idea is that soemone said it's unfair after I stated I liked a fly by wire directional intent system. I stated how it isn't too unfair as the efficiency it provides in terms of knowledge isn't as difficult to discover as the information the encyclopedia has, which is already in the game.

[wicked harness]

But could we be done with the walls of text please make your points a little more smaller

[snow crest]

totally ai ngl

[dense frost]

i do agree on that, being more concise would be good

[left spire]

I will try to be more concise. But I also don't like saying something that could be misinterpreted or leaving information (such as my observations, inferences, and evidence) out of the statement, because then that is contect that may be neccesary for other parties to understand. I will try to be more concise in the future.

[dense frost]

okay

[orchid geyser]

his inflection is pretty similar to an ai but i'm not really sure if an ai would generate these kinds of responses where it's advertising coursera and shit, also you can't really go up to chatgpt and say "win me an argument on discord about plane mouse input systems" or something

[wicked harness]

Can you please reply without writing a whole ass paragraph

[dense frost]

lets not dogpile too hard

[wicked harness]

@left spire if it's more than 2 sentences I'm timing you out

I swear to all that is holy make it a small response

[left spire]

chatgpt subscription for years = I talk like AI? (wait, that's two seperate clauses is it?)

[orchid geyser]

i don't mean to dogpile on him or be excessively hostile, my point is just "the way he speaks is a bit strange but he's probably not an ai"

[wicked harness]

Just knock it off or I will

[left spire]

Got it. Mouse aim via directional intent through a fly by wire system invalidates the acclimation of control to different airframes, that's a decent point.

[orchid geyser]

what?

[wicked harness]

https://tenor.com/view/t-he-point-when-over-your-head-right-over-your-head-you-missed-the-point-gif-11386417

[narrow token]

I like mouse aim it make me feel big and strong good pilot

[azure moth]

Not sure that mouse flight belongs in a sim-lite game like Nuclear Option, but if it does there would need to be an option to turn it off. Maybe something like what DCS does with game flight mode, which can be allowed in missions and on servers but doesn't have to be.

[wicked harness]

I mean I'm not against it but I think War Thunder has their specific mouse controls setup for flight actually patented

[dense frost]

loki did mention that

[azure moth]

They might tbh

[wicked harness]

ie you'd have to pay the snail to get these controls

[narrow token]

Or come up with something just different enough so that the snail has no leg to stand on

[wicked harness]

Lol jokes on you Snails don't have legs

[azure moth]

DCS implemented this sort of thing somehow, I wonder if they have it patented too. Not that anyone with sense uses it, you've already made a mistake IMO if you're using game flight mode in DCS

[orchid geyser]

quick someone call up the guy who did the mouse aim mod for kerbal space program

[narrow token]

They don't have brains either. Just an insatiable desire for other people's money 😪

[narrow token]

There is also a Ravenfield mod for the same.

[north coral]

I personally wouldn't be opposed to GTA's like throttle controls