Slay the Spire

[arctic scaffold]

oh fuck

you get like the strongest relics in runs

[earnest tartan]

And jaxxed

[arctic scaffold]

hurt me more, kill them fast

[earnest tartan]

That's my favorite playstyle in most games

Harder in slay than elsewhere though

Wait when did you play magic?

[arctic scaffold]

i was referring to dredge

[arctic scaffold]

just gotta get rupture

offerings

[earnest tartan]

I always get rupture and then no lifeloss cards or lifeloss cards and no rupture

Same with dark embrace

[arctic scaffold]

I def get more lucky than u in terms of cards

Cough cough first try dark embrace corruption

[earnest tartan]

"Here lemme show you"

goes infinite

[arctic scaffold]

"i'll just show a really quick, standard, normal, nothing special ironclad run"

[near plinth]

Ey you peeps. I am hearing good things about cobalt core. Maybe we need to investigate this.

[arctic scaffold]

will try it out after i finish racine

very good game, i showed a little bit of it over #1112315248301584474

[arctic scaffold]

very easy a20 run

[arctic scaffold]

another one, snecko eye with ironclad so fun

[sleek jacinth]

slowly climbing up the acensions

[sleek jacinth]

how did afford so many upgrades

[arctic scaffold]

i think i told you

never rest

[arctic scaffold]

also nice, branching out to other chars

@earnest tartan are you doing some ascension climbing, or achievement stuff?

[earnest tartan]

I'm running multi-player with my bud

[arctic scaffold]

u didn't tell me it was furries

[arctic scaffold]

first try win, it was fun

cool evading mechanics

[near plinth]

I will be real. I don't understand furries.

[arctic scaffold]

u know i always assumed you were one

[arctic scaffold]

@grand roost can you stream it 👀

[grand roost]

sure

[earnest tartan]

57 dexterity

[earnest tartan]

the infinite

i did fuck up by removing burning pact over armaments

[arctic scaffold]

Oh that's hot

Got the achievement too

Good turn for feed

[earnest tartan]

i fed every chance i got

had singing bowl too

ended with 200+ hp

[arctic scaffold]

Damn don't think I ever got that high

[earnest tartan]

ended heart with 50strength and 40~ dex

kinda sad i got rid of feed before that fight

[arctic scaffold]

Worth it against heart

[earnest tartan]

double demon form heart kill

sneko eye saved me

[arctic scaffold]

He believes in the eye now

[earnest tartan]

Dying to playing demon form made me change my mind

[near plinth]

Snecko is a really strong relic.

[earnest tartan]

t2 dodu and deca

[arctic scaffold]

Finally, the silent run

[earnest tartan]

perfect heart

[earnest tartan]

christmas tree

[arctic scaffold]

that's a lot of orbs lmao

i think you hit cap

probably the best shiv run i'll have

kunai and shuriken early means i full specced into shivs and i was doing 20 per shiv every time at the end

[earnest tartan]

fuckin time eater man

i went infinte with zap

[arctic scaffold]

my build be so fine
then bam
time eater

just hit a20 on all chars

[sleek jacinth]

[arctic scaffold]

@sleek jacinth can you hop on and watch this real quick i stumbled upon a really stupid infinite

[sleek jacinth]

sure, give me a min

[arctic scaffold]

back to back a20 run wins on different characters

[arctic scaffold]

the difference in deck size lmao

[worldly abyss]

yo, I got a cracked starting transform :0

[arctic scaffold]

did it work out well?

that's an amount of relisc

[arctic scaffold]

@final drum

[sturdy basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krDFltgjLtE

Holy Moly

[final drum]

https://tenor.com/view/cahara-fear-and-hunger-crowmauler-terrifying-presence-gif-11660160882700055465

[viscid heart]

I'm so fucking hype for the sequel it's gonna be so good

[arctic scaffold]

@earnest tartan wtf he's goated?

[earnest tartan]

no no it was on a multiplayer run

[arctic scaffold]

oh lol

i was like weren't you at a10

you just climbed 10 in one day

[earnest tartan]

i removed it, i wanna get it legit

[arctic scaffold]

that's insane

[earnest tartan]

💪 out here grindin

[arctic scaffold]

frequent grindr

[earnest tartan]

like father like son

[arctic scaffold]

actually beat awakened one when half my cards were powers

the secret is calipers

[worldly abyss]

cool c:

[arctic scaffold]

corruption

[arctic scaffold]

floor 1 astrolabe wee

[arctic scaffold]

i like silent

[earnest tartan]

https://youtu.be/J7CIi9n-TSg?si=RSAgkXw6AE8GeW-M&t=75

insane whiplash

[arctic scaffold]

real crossover?

[arctic scaffold]

first successful discard deck

[arctic scaffold]

we accidentally infinited again

[earnest tartan]

The same way?

[arctic scaffold]

pretty much duplicate run lol

[earnest tartan]

Lmao

[arctic scaffold]

it keeps happening

no sneaky strike this time tho

not a single one dropped the entire run

[arctic scaffold]

@delicate pendant

[arctic scaffold]

@pine jackal

[arctic scaffold]

least addicted sts player

[pine jackal]

beat the game for the first time

[pine jackal]

got the game 2 days ago sitting at 17.2 hours

[arctic scaffold]

Beautiful deck

[arctic scaffold]

is this slay the spire scrubquoting

[earnest tartan]

Perchance

[arctic scaffold]

people play silent and just forget about an effective block plan

by people i mean me

the equivalent of oh shit i'm ending my turn in wrath

[earnest tartan]

you dont end the fight in wrath?

[arctic scaffold]

normal non new's lament, non infinite run finally

ignore the brimstone, this is a normal run

[sleek jacinth]

so many status effects

[arctic scaffold]

looking like a defect run

beautiful relics

[arctic scaffold]

@sly fossil

[sleek jacinth]

i got metamorphosis form a colorless potion

[arctic scaffold]

nearly all upgraded wee

[sly fossil]

@arctic scaffold, i got fucking bailed at the heart fight, i bought a panacea from the act 4 shop to go with the wraith form to stall and survive, and then used the skill potion which discovered a nightmare i used on the eviscerate and with the gamble and the acrobatics all of them were free and i killed the heart

i also got a hand which had almost every single status, burn, slimed, dazed, wounded, and a strike on like 40 incoming damage (and next turn i drew the void)

[arctic scaffold]

Thank god for wraith form

[sly fossil]

@arctic scaffold, i'm up for some sts now, you still down?

[arctic scaffold]

yer

[arctic scaffold]

brimstone runs are so fun

[arctic scaffold]

"just play the cards" run

[sleek jacinth]

do i have enough block guys

(it dealt 397 damage)

[odd shell]

no, get more

more block

[arctic scaffold]

We love exhaust

[odd shell]

exhaust is likely my least favorite archetype

[arctic scaffold]

Who doesn't like card spam

[odd shell]

i dont like losing all my cards

[arctic scaffold]

@sleek jacinth he sounds like you from last night

tldr exhaust decks are the most consistent way to get a20 heart wins as ironclad by far

once you learn how to do it right

[sleek jacinth]

wdym, i dont mind exhaust

i’m just not confident in building for that deck type early unless i have specific cards

like, i got some true grits later on so dark embrace came in handy

[sleek jacinth]

[arctic scaffold]

yeah that's fair

[arctic scaffold]

i see so many runs from record holders that are picking up dark embrace with no exhaust cards in their deck yet

it's that good

corruption, dark embrace, feel no pain are snap picks for me

[sleek jacinth]

i’ll try for more exhaust decks next time

[sleek jacinth]

@arctic scaffold got a really good exhaust deck going, but i think getting brimstone screwed me over in the end

[arctic scaffold]

nice i'm glad you're trying more exhaust

brimstone is like so fun

but consistency is like yknow

you really gotta have a plan for it to work lol

some of my most fun runs were with brimstone but usually i had a reaper

northernlion just said in his most recent sts video that it's his favourite game of all time @near plinth

[arctic scaffold]

@earnest tartan holy shit i played grand finale for the first time, completely on accident

[agile zephyr]

@earnest tartan @arctic scaffold lmk when u guys wanted to sts

[arctic scaffold]

still eating but i can hop on

[earnest tartan]

hoppin

[earnest tartan]

very fun watcher run

[arctic scaffold]

Oh shit big deck

Was there any theme or was it just "play good cards"

[earnest tartan]

gain alot of permanent dex with duality and pellets

[odd shell]

reminds me that i had a watcher run with fasting and pellets the other day

i lost because i suck at the game

but it was a cool combo

[earnest tartan]

killed time eater with rng wraith form +setup

[earnest tartan]

sneko eye the goat again

[arctic scaffold]

Boss swapped into a snecko nice

Wait I just realized this was on watcher

Woah

[earnest tartan]

super fun run

bottled foreign influence was the carry this run

x2 meteor strike

well

that and triple vault

[arctic scaffold]

U sure about that

[arctic scaffold]

Maybe here or there but def not consistent

[arctic scaffold]

Hmmmm

[earnest tartan]

hmmm

[arctic scaffold]

Foreign influence for the fun factor

[earnest tartan]

was not bad, gave me playble cards in the worst turns

[arctic scaffold]

The deck at 100% power

The deck at 99% power

[earnest tartan]

oh no my hand is all 3 cost whatever will i do

the ever reliable vault

[arctic scaffold]

crazy pandora's box

[arctic scaffold]

oops all powers, still wooped awakened one

[proven shale]

Is the Defect being removed from StS 2? I didn't see it in the trailer, while the Ironclad and Silent were both present.

[sleek jacinth]

We don't know. nothing has been confirmed or denied

[proven shale]

I see.

[earnest tartan]

@arctic scaffold sometimes the game just wants you to win

[arctic scaffold]

very nice deck

neronomicon tho?

[earnest tartan]

Took it to take it was hoping to see a wallop or other good 2+ cost card

Was pretty out of the infinite range due to the dead branch

[arctic scaffold]

@grand roost congrats

was it on defect?

[grand roost]

thanks

[grand roost]

I believe so

[peak socket]

dumb game but also im stupid. i guess anger isnt as good as i thought they were

[arctic scaffold]

very good act 1

is a curse later on

how have you been liking the full game?

[peak socket]

played the game ages ago on gamepass cuz it was free. i was total ass at it. still am

[arctic scaffold]

Glad you're a reinforced body enjoyer

[peak socket]

I don't understand how you are suppose to win with that guy. I had fairy in a bottle and some relic to bring me back to life and it was the only reason I got that far

[arctic scaffold]

I'm down to watch you play and maybe point out some stuff you may have been torpedoing your runs with

[peak socket]

im just not good at seeing the synergy of decks. gotta play more. for that run looking at my deck i can see maybe 2 cards i got too ambitious with but thats still a big deck. but my theory was with a power build every power you play is 1 less card in for the reshuffle. also not getting how people thin their decks so much in runs. think i was able to remove 3 cards in that run. then learning the bosses i gotta do. my first death was against the giant head. i didnt figure out its gimmick till half way through but even then i dont get how you are suppose to have that many attacks to kill it while also defending from its nukes

[arctic scaffold]

Skipping can be the correct choice most of the time

[arctic scaffold]

Just have a good form of scaling. You don't need many attacks for that fight

[near plinth]

Defect is a bit more rng oriented and not as balanced as other classes. Ironclad and Watcher are probably the most consistent.

[near plinth]

You don't have to thin your deck. The main thing to understand is the size of the deck relative to the card draw that you draft. Lotsa efficient draw means you can have larger decks.

Giant head, you have to have it nearly dead before it starts swinging.

The main mechanic is that every attack you do will do 10% more to it due to the self inflicted slow debuff it has...

That's hard for an orb-oriented defect to do..

[peak socket]

im ass. 4 runs and cant even get to act 2 boss without a revive

[arctic scaffold]

It's not just attacks it's any card

[arctic scaffold]

You'll learn u got this

[peak socket]

i think most of it is not knowing which enemies to prio in groups which is just a knowledge check. i just swing and pray

[arctic scaffold]

That is part of it, definitely not most of it

Knowing which cards solve which encounters is the majority of the focus early on

[peak socket]

not the first time i heard that but its all random, you surely cant know what encounters are coming up

[near plinth]

You play the game enough, you learn the potential encounters and what specific solutions are required. Then it's a matter of constructing your deck in a way that you are not overpreparing for any specific encounter while also having something in your deck that will be helpful. Also, you know the boss of each act when you enter the act. You also know all the elites you can potentially be fighting and a good sense of which ones will kill your deck and which one you can kill.

It's just risk-reward. Like fighting games.

[peak socket]

ironclad is balls bros

just tell me if i was cooking here

[near plinth]

Firebreathing is kinda garbage. It's an ok deck. Lacks some scaling.

Good draw

[arctic scaffold]

You took dark embrace, corruption, feel no pain and feed. You're already going in the right direction.

[near plinth]

Reliant on drawing corruptoin, but every deck is reliant on something.

Ectoplasm is kinda sus, but energy relics are almost always worth it.

[arctic scaffold]

Taking more elites would be a good idea

[peak socket]

i think zyx sabotaged me. he said sneko eye was good and dont worry about it. then i proceeded to get an absolute ass load of 3 cost hands

[arctic scaffold]

No, he's right

If you lost with snecko you would have lost earlier without it

[peak socket]

discord call carried me

[arctic scaffold]

easy w lfg

[earnest tartan]

wasnt even close

[arctic scaffold]

What did you end up dual wielding mostly?

[earnest tartan]

whirlwind or demon form

was kinda clutch vs time eater

no ig it wasnt

potion belts + entropic brew was

[peak socket]

i dont see the vision for defect. i can clear trash rooms in like 3 turns or less if i get the right starting hand but im doing nothing to bosses

what are his nukes

[arctic scaffold]

Don't think about doing damage, defect has a lot of ways to clear encounters

Most of it focuses on boosting your focus

Cards like loop, biased cog, echo form, glacier are amazing picks

[peak socket]

is the power that increases focus but you lose 1 every turn good? can it go below 3 damage on lightning?

[arctic scaffold]

Yes

It can go to 0 but the upfront damage ends the fight before it can happen

Or gives you enough block from frost orbs that you can use those turns to setup your other powerhouses

You can definitely scale with powers

Defect is very upgrade heavy

[peak socket]

maybe i gotta look at these cards online instead of winging it cuz i just ended a run on giant head and went on for so long it swung at me for 50

[arctic scaffold]

This applies to every character, but defect especially. Never heal. If you're resting at rest sites, somethings already gone wrong

[arctic scaffold]

Defect can take care of that easily

What's been your current strategy so far?

Open to hopping in VC and going over your current situation rq if you're down

[peak socket]

trying to get some good powers and getting lightning orbs and letting them do the work

let me grab a drink and sure

[arctic scaffold]

AI lmk when

[peak socket]

im in now, not going to do a run i just gotta see the vision

[peak socket]

oh i forgot to ask, what do people take from the whale?

[arctic scaffold]

boss relic swap, common relic, 250 gold, and 100 gold

if you're looking for the best defect player that you can steal strats from, here he is https://www.twitch.tv/vmservice/videos

world record holder for defect a20 heart winstreak

as long as you don't mind the language barrier

[peak socket]

thanks lys for the advice

turns out trading your starting relic and getting sneko eye then a sunder and meteor is pretty goated

[worldly abyss]

• Neow's Blessing (makes enemies start at 1 HP for 3 fights) is generally considered the safest option, and you can sometimes snipe an elite with it
• swap with a boss relic is the riskiest option, since you can either get something really good or really bad
• after those two, removal is the best, then a relic, then gold

[odd shell]

gold could be good if theres an early shop

but yeah enemy max hp 1 is great

its either 3 free cards and a free relic(possibly two if you're really lucky) or 3 free cards

you can only get it as an option if you got past act 1 tho

[arctic scaffold]

Removal is definitely not in the running

[arctic scaffold]

Wdu mean 3 free cards and a free relic

[odd shell]

you get to win 3 enemy encounters for free

no health cost

free relic is dependent on getting an elite in the first 3

[arctic scaffold]

I would only do it if you're almost guaranteed an elite snipe

The first few combats you shouldn't be taking damage in anyway so it doesn't matter

[odd shell]

how do you not take damage in the first few combats

you dont have a deck thats built in any capacity

you have to just deal with whatever you get

[arctic scaffold]

Playing optimally, 250 gold, 100 gold, boss relic swap, and common relics are pretty much the only ones high level players take

[arctic scaffold]

You play smart

Idk what to tell u if you haven't gotten there yet

[odd shell]

well high level players are dumb and i dont like them

[arctic scaffold]

That's ok but when compound is asking for tips I'd like to give him the ones that will get him to win the most

[odd shell]

and im giving compound the tips that let him have fun

[arctic scaffold]

What's not fun about those blessings lol

NVM it's fine I'm glad you enjoy the 3 easy fights

[odd shell]

relic swap sucks cause boss relics just arent that fun

its either one more energy with some drawback (either really bad or not really an issue) or something that just isnt that interesting, or something that ruins your entire run

like imagine doing relic swap and you just get tiny house

that's so dissapointing

[arctic scaffold]

Those are already factored in

To the decision making process

[agile zephyr]

relic swap can be fun, compound literally talked about how he did it and got a snecko eye and had a fun run lmao

itd be way less fun if you consistently only got great relics from it, rng is fun in roguelikes

[odd shell]

how do you have a fun run by starting with snecko

[agile zephyr]

scroll up

[odd shell]

oh that is incredibly lucky

[agile zephyr]

thats what is fun

[odd shell]

id still rather cracked orb though

[agile zephyr]

consistency wise yes, but its a lot more fun and memorable to do stuff like that imo

[odd shell]

ive never had fun with snecko eye

no matter how often you get lucky and get 0 costs and stuff, theres always the one time it messes you up and you just die

[agile zephyr]

ive only had fun runs with sneko lol, duality of man ig

[odd shell]

snecko oil or just the snecko fight itself are a bit more fun to me

its a shorter tidbit of a run so its not having to roll the dice so many different times

[agile zephyr]

theres some fun in chaos and trying to take advantage of it. with snecko eye, its more fun for me to take what i got compared to doing the same strats or starts every time

[odd shell]

i have fun with chaos but not rng

i like using stupid cards that most people would say "nah dont take that"

[agile zephyr]

thats the same with snecko eye lmao, people dont take it cuz its always optimal or reccomendef

[odd shell]

then sometimes i end up learning that card is "the best card ever that carries you through act 2, 3, 4 and even act 5"

(i didnt get it to work)

i have too many problems with this game i dont even know if i like it anymore

[agile zephyr]

theres plenty of other roguelikes that you might like, just taking a break from sts can help

[odd shell]

i suppose theres nothing stopping me from just playing A0 again

[agile zephyr]

imo ive been really enjoying the bazaar, the strategy you described works really well in that one too

but that one is pvp roguelike which is a whole other set of problems

[odd shell]

im not usually in the mood for roguelikes tbh, if i do end up thinking of playing them i usually end up doing a run or two of one of the ones i own and then im tired of it and i play other games

[agile zephyr]

i agree completely lol, i just get in the mood to do one run and see how it goes most of the time

[odd shell]

i used to be so much more into them

i still love them but its just hard to do a fair amount of runs

its always one or two

[agile zephyr]

if i already did all the content in it, then i start only do one run occassionally. thats what happened to me with sts ascension 20 on everyone, tboi all unlocks, balatro all stakes, etc etc

but when a new roguelike does drop, it def gives me some spark to grind out runs and try to learn what works

[odd shell]

the latest new roguelike i played was star of providence iirc

it is one of my favorite roguelikes now and there is a fair amount more content for me to do

but i dont know how to do it lol

[peak socket]

this is cheating bro i killed it

[arctic scaffold]

How was the run/deck?

[worldly abyss]

I thought it was generally considered pretty strong because of the +2 each turn?

[arctic scaffold]

You're right

But I think he's saying people don't only take it because of that

It's that, and also it's very fun

[peak socket]

if i leave close the game does my run save?

[sleek jacinth]

It should save and quit at the room you last entered, afaik

[odd shell]

yeah

iirc you can alt f4 to redo rooms if you really made a bad mistake

[peak socket]

ok thats a win with each of the starting classes

now what

[near plinth]

Game becomes harder as you unlock more cards as the card and relic pool becomes more diluted.

[arctic scaffold]

Climb ascensions and unlock act 4 🙂

Real game starts at A20

[worldly abyss]

no, it's fine to just exit to menu

[odd shell]

well same use

[worldly abyss]

I mean, sure, I just presumed that'd be faster than reopening the game

[peak socket]

i forgot to give my initial impressions since i finished 3 baby mode climbs. with my limited knowledge of the game i struggle to see the busted builds like you can see in binding of isaac but people tell me they are there so ill trust. none of my wins i feel have come from skill and just came from stupid dumb luck. defect is by far my favourite cuz its so different and unique where silent and ironclad are just generic rogue/warrior. i def see what sherlock meant when he said defect is very rng dependent cuz the few runs i did with him after my win i didnt get anywhere. i feel if you dont run into early focus you are just doomed. and running into that elite that gets buffed if you use skill cards is rough. also the slime boss always seems a struggle cuz you cant really nuke him for lower hp slimes early in the run. sneko eye i also going tin hat theory here but in my experience the game catalogs internally how good you previous sneko eye run was and reverses it for the next time you grab it

[arctic scaffold]

interesting takes early on

keep those notes in mind when you progress and it'll be fun to look back on

ironclad/silent aesthetically may be like that but i don't think you've explored even close to what they're able to achieve, and it's pretty fun the lengths they can go to

you're def not doomed if you don't get early focus, especially not on anything sub a18

lower ascensions you get to play very suboptimally, making wrong decisions majority of the time, and still be able to cross the finish line

you can definitely nuke him, you just need to play the splits well

[odd shell]

silent ironically is way more defense based than ironclad

she can get super tanky

[arctic scaffold]

there's a lot of things you can calculate that's way beyond the scope of your current progress to mitigate rng, and guarantee at least an act 1 clear, but don't worry about it because it's a lot to learn

[peak socket]

is it worth getting a really strong card you prob cant use 2 out 3 times its drawn in the hopes you get the more common cards later on so you can use it all the time. or do you always take what you can use all the time at that moment ?

[arctic scaffold]

just know that every run is winnable

[arctic scaffold]

this is way too context dependent

would need to see the current turn, the deck, and the map to make a proper decision

[peak socket]

ah

[arctic scaffold]

yeah hard to say "you must always do this"

there's things that will make your runs more likely to succeed

but even those have to be specific

[arctic scaffold]

was there a situation you were thinking of when you said this?

[peak socket]

im trying to remember the order of the cards i got. and how close together i got them. but in short i didnt have good energy gen and i think i had both a sunder and a meteor in my deck in act 1

[arctic scaffold]

sunder is very easy to play act 1

meteor is usually a act 2 card

but no generally it's not advised

you want to take the enablers first before you take the things that get enabled by them

for example you should never take accuracy first before blade dance for example

[odd shell]

thats surprising but makes sense when it hink about it

does enough damage to end most encounters right away

[arctic scaffold]

the game never guarantees you'll get a card later, you could easily go the whole run without a single shiv card, so the card that gets enabled by shivs would become a curse

[arctic scaffold]

ye great upgrade target too

[odd shell]

then you just gotta remove it

and then you get blade dance

[arctic scaffold]

so just don't take it at all until you're guaranteed its positive effect

[peak socket]

my silent run i won i got both achievements for 99 poison and 99 armor and i could not tell you how i got like 139 armor. it just sorta happened

[odd shell]

thats just how silent works

[arctic scaffold]

i think any character can get there

i PERSONALLY think ironclad has an easier job of getting to high block than silent

[odd shell]

yeah but silent gets a lot of block very easily

[arctic scaffold]

due to the exhaust synergies/scaling

[odd shell]

and she has cards like leg sweep

[peak socket]

i also dont really understand wrathform. if you are forced to pop it early in a boss fight it just seems a curse ?

[odd shell]

leg sweep is crazy

[arctic scaffold]

that's 2 cost

[odd shell]

well you get 3 turns where you cant take damage

its up to you to figure out which turn to use it

[arctic scaffold]

vs ironclad's "just exhaust cards lol"

[arctic scaffold]

what do you mean forced to pop it early

wraith form is very very strong

like blindsloth said that's essentially 2 free turns

if you can't kill the boss in time, don't play it. if you're going to die if you didn't use wraith form, you were going to die without it anyway, just harder

[peak socket]

i suppose thats a way to look at it

is the wiki wrong about time eater?

[arctic scaffold]

how so?

[peak socket]

im trying to find out how he heals cuz it ended one of my runs and nearly ended another. it says "if dropped below 50% hp will cast haste next turn" but then the haste ability reads it heals to 50%. both times he healed was well below 50% on my run

[odd shell]

well he heals at 50% and lower

if you get him below 50% then he does it below 50%

[arctic scaffold]

he'll take a turn off once you get him to 50% or lower, then heal to 50% and cleanse all debuffs the turn after that

[peak socket]

oh so its not an interrupt like on the guardian or slime boss?

[arctic scaffold]

yep

that mf still gets to do his turn

i absolutely hate time eater's draw reduction debuff

[peak socket]

does he heal for 50% or to 50%?

[arctic scaffold]

to

and then his 8*3

it's brutal man

[odd shell]

to...

?

[arctic scaffold]

he asked for 50 or to 50

the answer is to

aka not for

[peak socket]

so theres no point to doing more damage to him the first time you take him below 50%

[odd shell]

oh i thought you were saying to a number and forgot to actually add the number

[arctic scaffold]

unless you can kill him yeah

[odd shell]

yeah

[arctic scaffold]

you can set up your cards tho

[odd shell]

sometimes you just have a baller enough build that you can kill him

[arctic scaffold]

or just end it at a low counter

[odd shell]

i did it once with like 100s of strength as ironclad

[peak socket]

the run he killed me with it was my poison took him down to below 40 hp and he just purged everything off him and my heart sank cuz i didnt have anymore catalysts in an attempt to build it back up

[arctic scaffold]

yeah that's fair

now you know how the fight works tho

[peak socket]

do you guys have all the achievements?

[arctic scaffold]

i do

sherlock i think does

[odd shell]

i havent even beaten the game yet

[arctic scaffold]

i think the rest of everyone else here doesn't

[odd shell]

im still on like A17 iirc

[arctic scaffold]

sherlock helped me get into the game when i first started

i think notha does?

[peak socket]

can every character get beat the game with 5 cards or fewer?

[arctic scaffold]

yes

[peak socket]

sheesh

[arctic scaffold]

anything you think a character can't do, they probably can

any time you think you're guaranteed to lose because of luck, there were ways to win

the path just isn't apparent

not to say it's easy

this game is very hard

[odd shell]

only deck i know is defect but im sure everyone has ways

[arctic scaffold]

but it's not as reliant on rng as people think it is

[odd shell]

probably multiple ways

[peak socket]

im sure thats true but i assumed one character would have it easier than the other and one character having such a crap time with it its not worth it

[arctic scaffold]

i'm trynna think for that achievement

because there's so many ways for each character to get it

it's really up to you which one you wanna go with

these are not the easiest, but they're the obvious choices for the sub 5 thing for each character

[odd shell]

i dont entirely remember the defect deck but i remember claw, scratch, and glacierf

[arctic scaffold]

ironclad: dropkick
silent: heel hook
defect: recycle
watcher: watcher

[odd shell]

dont remember what the other 2 cards were

[arctic scaffold]

yeah there's so many ways to go infinite with every character

that could be one way if you get the build

[odd shell]

it wasnt actually infinite but it was close

[arctic scaffold]

you could make it infinite tho with the right pieces

[odd shell]

you could do a LOT in every turn

iirc he actually got timekeeper as the act 3 boss and it caused a lot of trouble

but he still won

why is my internet being wonky

[arctic scaffold]

well time eater makes infinites not possible due to obvious reasons but most infinites outscale time eater anyway even through the forced 12 cards thing

[odd shell]

only infinite ive done is the super boring watcher one

some of the least fun ive had in a game was that run

[arctic scaffold]

ironclad has very easy ways to go infinite due to exhaust synergies

silent has easy ways due to acrobatics+reflex+energy relic or tactician

defect is recycle, get 1 orb slot, then you can just infinite plasma orbs with a bunch of methods

and those are just examples, again there are so many methods out there to get infinites, you can get creative

relics add on another dimension of possibility

[odd shell]

then watcher just has infinites out the wazoo

including the incredibly easy one

[arctic scaffold]

she definitely has a very consistent one

but that's not the main reason why she's good

wrath stance along with having scrawl, vault, and omniscience on the same character is just very insane

but again the best players in the world on watcher don't force the infinites, because you won't win consistently by forcing anything in this game

[earnest tartan]

brain dead run

[earnest tartan]

@arctic scaffold one down

[arctic scaffold]

great stuff! seems very solid with kunai and shuriken

[earnest tartan]

Just did watcher stance dance stuff

Awakened one was a little iffy at the start but pulled through

[near plinth]

Yeah, lot of this is pathing issue. With defect, I won't take an act 1 elite until I know for certain that I can at least beat Nob or Sentinels so that I have 2/3 chance. Lagavulin is the easiest elite for defect. Against the slime boss, I usually try to bank a fire potion so that I don't get the worst split possible. As defect, you can try to setup a dark orb to nuke him prior to split. That is probably the least focus reliant way for Defect to win in general.

I don't have all achievements. But I did beat A20 with all classes.

[peak socket]

We beat the board game regular

[peak socket]

how does defect beat power scaling monsters and bosses? awakened, nob, and the stupid bird person that hits you with hex. ive never had something i felt i could out scale those. is the answer to cook dark orbs, evoke one and have a card that can replace the rest of the dark orbs and one shot?

[sleek jacinth]

power scaling as in, the opponent increasing their strength?

[near plinth]

Nob is about drafting a few big attacks. Streamline, Sunder and even Ball lightning are all good cards in that front. In fact, this applies to all early elites. These cards fall off a bit in later acts, but that's fine. They are not bad by any means. Drafting with the last boss fight in mind is how you lose a game. You have to be willing to add stuff to your deck that can eventually be useless, but helps you live in the short term. Also against Nob, 9/10 times the correct strat is to rush him down. Blocking is usually not advisable unless you know for certain you are going to kill him the turn after or something.

Awakened one only penalizes mindless power spam. Defect only really needs a handful of powers. Most of its power cards are balanced around creative AI which generates powers. Drafting Hello World direclty into your deck is almost always a mistake.

For e.g, you can play 1 or 2 defrags against awakened one, then spam frost orbs and use blizzard as a win condition.

Or frost orbs/dark orbs hybrid.

Basically if you can generate enough defense using frost, it does not matter what your damage source is..

The crow hex is kinda slow. He does swing for big attacks, so it's much more about defense. The dazed that it shuffles is almost always a non-factor.

[peak socket]

does power card properties over write other cards? like can i rebound a loop?

[arctic scaffold]

Powers can only be played once per combat

[peak socket]

thats what i thought but didnt want to risk it to test

[peak socket]

ok so flame book sucks

[worldly abyss]

Flame book?

[peak socket]

i unno what the super elites are called

[worldly abyss]

Super elites?

Oh, you mean the burning elites? The ones you fight for the keys?

[peak socket]

yea

[worldly abyss]

yeah, the Act 2 ones are rough

[near plinth]

Act 2 elites are show stoppers.

Act 2 is a show stopper

If you survive act 2, you probably got the game in the bag.

[worldly abyss]

in Act 1, the elites are generally pretty manageable
and by Act 3, your deck should be good enough that you can play around their gimmicks
but Act 2 is kind of a sourspot

[peak socket]

just sucks cuz it was my best run by far and was clearing trash. i still dont know when im ready for elites

[worldly abyss]

Wait, did you not take any elites in Act 1?

[peak socket]

that run i did cuz it had 1 hp. but it was the easy elite and didnt want to deal with the other 2 so i skipped the rest

[worldly abyss]

yeah, you need to take more elites generally
elites give you relics, which are important for winning

[peak socket]

i have my idea but im curious what do you guys upgrade here

[odd shell]

maybe chill idk

[peak socket]

fresh run so this is all i have

[odd shell]

chill is pretty good early on cause of how many encounters start with multiple enemies

even when you only get one enemy tho, 1 frost is still good

[agile zephyr]

im not a big fan of innate upgrades, i know some people say they do more harm than good. id prob upgrade zap/dualcast to make them 0 or sweeping beam since its the only aoe you have (depends on how early you are into your run)

[arctic scaffold]

How early are we talking lol

[agile zephyr]

if i have only a few encounters left on the floor, im usually not too pressured to upgrade whats basically gonna be +3 dmg against a boss

but early to mid floor is when id consider it

[peak socket]

man that heart fucks

maybe defect isnt my guy

[arctic scaffold]

Nah that's just heart lol

What ascension are you on for defect?

Most common run killer for sure

[peak socket]

0 🙂

[arctic scaffold]

How? You already beat it on ascension 0

You can go up

[peak socket]

i never beat the heart on 0

[arctic scaffold]

You don't need to beat it to unlock the next ascension

Just need to clear act 3

Heart is bonus

And a1 is actually easier than a0 because more elites spawn

[peak socket]

ive never clicked this box before. well i did once to see what it was like but i didnt play it long

[arctic scaffold]

Yeah your goal is to climb ascensions, and seeing if you can get heart on the way there

If you don't it's fine, at least you climbed to the next ascension

Even if you get slain at heart

Eventually ending on A20 with all characters

Two things helped me improve significantly, one is watching better players to understand the decision making process along with potential synergies I've never considered

The other is climbing ascensions because it forces me to make better decisions as you are allowed less blunders otherwise you get punished significantly

[peak socket]

i think i fucked up that run cuz i insta locked into a relic when i maybe should have picked a different one

nvm i picked right

i did not know an ascension run was ended at act 3 boss. i thought act 4 was mandatory which is why ive been trying to kill it

[near plinth]

A very narrow set of builds are act 4 viable while you can beat act 3 with some consistency if you are decent at deck building.

Act 4 is just something to do if you have a killer deck.

The deck you had could have beaten act 4 if it was a bit more thinner.

The problem is that you didn't draw blizzard enough number of times.

[peak socket]

its funny cuz when lys went over defects cards with me he said blizzard was ass. but i guess through dumb luck we were hitting like absolute trucks with it

[near plinth]

Nah, blizzard is kinda servicable if you have a very frost focussed deck.

But you have to cycle through the deck and play lotsa glacier. It scales reasonably fast with echo-formed frost generation cards.

You cannot stick blizzard in any deck and expect it to work.

It still isn't great scaling offensively, but that's fine for A0.

[odd shell]

most cards in sts arent "bad" they're just way more situational

i dont know if theres any useless cards

[arctic scaffold]

Yeah there's no bad cards it's more so the fact that you could be using your energy and draw to scale better with other options than playing blizzard that are less situational

[worldly abyss]

Clash

[arctic scaffold]

It's not a bad idea to go for it still, will teach you great habits

[peak socket]

valuable lesson learned. dont have a power that gets a smite every turn with a power that retains your hand every turn

[arctic scaffold]

the rare thick watcher deck

[peak socket]

i also felt i had way too many cards in my deck but i have no idea how to balance stance switching and so i wouldnt have enough calm so id get more calm, then id never go in wrath so i get wrath and its just a downward spiral

[arctic scaffold]

you could always get a smaller deck so you draw into those calm/wrath cards more option

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzwlb0d-On0
i liked the way he described his experience with slay the spire

[peak socket]

i dont even understand how theres enough card removal to finish a run with a 5 card deck

so maybe watcher is beyond me right now

[arctic scaffold]

it helps if you avoid picking up cards lol

[peak socket]

also are the thugs who you have the option to fight or give all your gold to considered and elite?

[arctic scaffold]

are you focused on achievement hunting, or ascension climbing rn?

[arctic scaffold]

nope

why

[peak socket]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-funny-fight-life-self-defense-gif-16823852

how im playing spire right now

just trying to learn and finish

[arctic scaffold]

true

if you have the option to do a higher ascension tho, i'd do that

i mean you're gettnig to act 3s

so you're doing great

[peak socket]

i dont have it unlocked on watcher yet

which is why i attempted a run

once i learn where to start or how to start a deck im sure ill start powering through these. i just dont know what are deck starters so on floor 1 i see cards that look good and since you gotta start somewhere i pick em up

[arctic scaffold]

yeah definitely just absorb info for now

[peak socket]

if anyone could rate it. ill see what you say in the morning

[peak socket]

did i meme too hard?

[arctic scaffold]

Solid deck glad u took pyramid

[arctic scaffold]

The lengths we must go to to win as defect 😔

[peak socket]

that was funny i literally could not die. max orb slots and each was shielding me for 22 or something

[arctic scaffold]

The power of frost orbs

I hope u get a calipers run on defect one day

[peak socket]

dude a2 is kicking my ass. is defect bad

[odd shell]

no, you are

[peak socket]

That can't be it

[arctic scaffold]

It's the children that are wrong

[peak socket]

this game is straight ass

[odd shell]

just have better luck ngl

[peak socket]

out of all the rogue lites ive played this one the worst when i accidently throw

[arctic scaffold]

wdu mean

like it feels worse when you realize the mistake afterwards?

[peak socket]

did my maths wrong and died and i brain farted and was going to use a potion but my stupid brain thought the discard button was cancel and wasnt thinking

so i wasted a focus pot

[arctic scaffold]

LMAO

that's a classic

[viscid heart]

shiv spam is so fun. hope the sequel expands on it a bit, trailer looks real cool

[split pilot]

i was watching Day 9 for some nostalgia, and he said he thinks Slay the Spire is probably the best turn-based game ever 🫡

[arctic scaffold]

This is true

One can even say the best roguelite

[peak socket]

i wouldnt go that far

[arctic scaffold]

i'd go further

perfect game, no notes

[arctic scaffold]

👀

[earnest tartan]

Ey? 👀 they look nice

[arctic scaffold]

There's an interest form where you pick your favorite. What are you leaning towards?

[earnest tartan]

Ironclad or silent probably

Id like the watcher if it was blue with purple instead of the other way around

[proven shale]

Defect without a second thought. I'm a sucka for blue.

[odd shell]

same

[viscid heart]

if I was looking for a new keyboard I'd be super down with that Silent one. I love purple but Watcher isn't the right purple and the sky blue is just not my thing so much. I think Ironclad is a little too tame, if it was more red than white I think it'd be better.

[peak socket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKh4LwMyUBM

couldnt even beat a4 and this guy is doing tricks on it

[arctic scaffold]

Thanks moistcritical

[viscid heart]

deceptive, btw

my only time I won was with basically this build

it's not a gimmick it might genuinely be optimal

but it sounds like a shitpost

[arctic scaffold]

that's very surprising

it's a very niche build, and no way optimal

the first thing i thought of when i saw no attacks was the standard exhaust deck+charon's ashes

easiest way to play ironclad is exhaust and charon's would make the challenge easy

[worldly abyss]

or Juggernaut+Feel No Pain

[viscid heart]

I should've watched the video but did they not just do the thing where you stack shield and do damage with the shield

I made an assumption mb

[earnest tartan]

Ashes + fiend fire + feel no pain

Ez mode

[agile zephyr]

fiend fire in a no attack run huh

[arctic scaffold]

no fiend fire smh

[earnest tartan]

FUCK

So right

[worldly abyss]

You mean Body Slam? That's an attack

[viscid heart]

............................................................so it is!

[peak socket]

TIL that the classes are no where near balanced with each other and the watcher is leaps and bounds better than everything else

and my favourite goat is by far the worse

[agile zephyr]

defect?

[peak socket]

ya

[earnest tartan]

My goat could never be bad

10,000 powers to bird faced urn

[agile zephyr]

the run of a lifetime

i love having to watch someone play 40 powers to get all their HP back against 3 slimes

[earnest tartan]

But it won though

That means its optimal

[agile zephyr]

i think watcher is balanced if you dont do the infinite

but defect and watcher are only like 10% of my playtime, i exclusively only play silent or ironclad atp

[earnest tartan]

I wanna get all 4 to a20 before 2

So glad for the delay

[arctic scaffold]

Moistcritical is playing sts this shit is a great Christmas present

[peak socket]

i also learned why im shit at deck building games. it was explained that machine learning is shit cuz its a draw your next turn. but that card you drew would have been drawn in turn 2 anyway if you didnt have machine learning, so it doesnt take effect till turn 3. i just see the plus 1 and the neurons activate

[sleek jacinth]

so you always add a card to your deck, no matter the build?

after an encounter

[peak socket]

im really bad at knowing what my deck can handle so normally if i think its a really goated card ill grab it

theres a reason i was hard stuck on A4

[arctic scaffold]

i wouldn't say it's bad, just situational

[peak socket]

i always thought it was good but it makes sense its not good for hallway encounters and doesnt see its potential unless its a boss fight

[arctic scaffold]

@ember rock congrats

[earnest tartan]

Big fan of cool headed and skim

[ember rock]

Burp

Oomf gifted me it

[arctic scaffold]

lmk if u end up playing soon

[near plinth]

@arctic scaffold Check out decktamer. Very good deckbuilder.

[arctic scaffold]

will do thanks for the rec

[peak socket]

been getting recc sts videos. i think i gotta return and play till i finish a claw run

[peak socket]

hate this game

[peak socket]

which character is the most brain dead build enabling thats not the stance dancer

[near plinth]

What ascension level?

[peak socket]

any i guess. i thought it could be fun to get to a20 before the second game comes out but i might actually be too stupid

[near plinth]

Game gets real painful after a15/

But Ironclad is probably easy to get to A20.

Defect is probably the least reliable

It's watcher >>> IC = Silent >> Defect

Maybe silent is a bit easier coz you can build around nox fumes pretty easily.

[peak socket]

i like defect cuz thematically its fun to build your robot, like the art, and its mechanic with the orbs. but man act 1 seems rough where the others can get a card and it will carry them

ironclad seemed a bit static with its builds

[near plinth]

Defect is strong, just very inconsistent. Sometimes you roll poorly on orb damage and it just targets the wrong enemy.

But lower ascenion, all classes are pretty reliable.

It's only like past A15, those differences matter.

[peak socket]

whats the modifier on 15 that makes it the wall

[near plinth]

It's past A15, all the enemies start to get harder.

Everything hits like for 1 or 2 more than you can block perfectly and takes 1 or 2 more damage than you can deal with your baseline deck.

[peak socket]

no game beats me more than 10 times in a row (it only records the last 10 games so i have no idea how long my loss streak was)

[peak socket]

upon reflection i have decided my issue is my scaling. i feel i get pretty decent decks that work but act 3 im lacking the cards that allow the scaling. and i unno if thats me forcing a build or if its knowing how to transition or what

[arctic scaffold]

Could it be that you don't get set up fast enough before the enemies kill you

You could lack draw/energy

[peak socket]

orb is my best example. i would have good orb cycle and evoke but i wouldnt see any loops or focus cards

so i would evoke like a dozen or so orbs during elite or bosses but since they are base orbs its like a wet fart

[near plinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6dfx7dd8Gs&list=PLesIE_v8rF22k9WCbgifXIyHZpZw1YPSM&index=4

watch jorbs

@peak socket https://youtu.be/LIJLG_nyBeI?t=24

NL shows you how to not play the game.

[peak socket]

But he loves the game

He said if video games had true value sts would cost the same as a Toyota Camry

[near plinth]

Yeah, that sounds about right. Camry and Corolla define the economy car.

[peak socket]

🙃

should caption this "how 2026 is going so far"

[arctic scaffold]

oof no orbs

[peak socket]

wow this video is ancient

[near plinth]

Woah E33 reference

[peak socket]

ok so this is the point where i end up killing my decks. where do you go from here? i feel its cycling stuff well, im getting a lot of defense if i can get echo form up. at this point i feel i start to add cards i think help but only drown the deck. (also there is a capacitor you cant see)

[agile zephyr]

you have a lot of low value cards and synergies that work against each other

electrodynamics with frost cards gets less value, echo form needs high value cards to play consistently which id clogged up by 0 cost cards

[peak socket]

nvm runs dead anyway

game is pure ass

also i dont see how that is the case. point i was going for was evoking orbs. i feel echo form with high focus orbs getting evoked increases those low cost to high value

[peak socket]

maybe game isnt ass

genetic alg i got up to 54 stacks

[peak socket]

is there a relic in the game light bottle lightning but for powers?

[near plinth]

ye

bottled tornado

[peak socket]

wait the other characters unlock relics everyone can use? should i level up these lame asses?

[near plinth]

Been so long since I played. I think they do unlock, so you need to play them a bit.

[peak socket]

thats a new one for me

[arctic scaffold]

Godlike event

[peak socket]

i barely got any exp for getting to the act 3 boss and dying. its going to take so long to get these last relics

[arctic scaffold]

Hit me up for boosting services 😉

[near plinth]

I am also on board. It's been so long since I backseated sts.

[peak socket]

oh thats what you mean, thought you meant importing a save file or something

[near plinth]

No. We wouldn't want to deny you the sense of accomplishment and satisfaction (tm).

[peak socket]

might take you up on the offer for at least the watcher cuz i cannot wrap my brain around how to build their decks. the one time i won i feel it was an accident

[earnest tartan]

Stance dance time

[peak socket]

games so boring without the dopamine of lightning orbs

[peak socket]

how sweaty do you guys calculate the odds for your deck? watching content creators and the advice is your deck needs to do X damage and X block a turn. is that a feel thing for you guys or do you look at the deck and calculate the odds of your good and bad draws to determine if you are going to add a card?

[agile zephyr]

never did that in my life

more feels

[earnest tartan]

compound i wanna see a run

[agile zephyr]

entertain him jesterboy

zyx do a run rn

[earnest tartan]

ok

[agile zephyr]

and when i say rn i mean after i finish my workout

[earnest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-seal-in-fire-seal-going-to-hell-hell-good-night-gif-12319617898119755025

[peak socket]

ill get made fun of

[earnest tartan]

🤐

[peak socket]

I gotta nap then make dinner so maybe in an hour and a halfish

[peak socket]

Paid the run tax

also to answer your question notha its cuz when i press the button good things happen. no other class does that and i find that boring

[peak socket]

book is so lame man, why did they design that encounter

[agile zephyr]

poison silent has that same dopamine to me

i press the button

they explode

[peak socket]

no they dont

it doesnt even make a good noise

its like a wet fart

[agile zephyr]

thats even cooler

[peak socket]

they also have a dum name

[arctic scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoRV6sID2Zc
he continues

[earnest tartan]

I didn't get to see it

[peak socket]

Shouldn't have been playing your br game then smh

[earnest tartan]

Damn hes right

[peak socket]

woke up today and decided to meme

[peak socket]

i get why pyramid is a top tier relic but i think its my most hated good relic

also whats the strat for the enemy in act 3 who changes his action when you hit him? is it just a jesus takes the wheel situation?

[agile zephyr]

just remember the max damage he can do is 9x3, so hedge your bets with your block and never hit him if you cant hit him again out of his curse move

[peak socket]

i got hit with the curse a couple days ago. whats the symbol look like when hes going to fire it off?

[near plinth]

It's the debuff symbol. Like a swirling thingy

[earnest tartan]

The swirling

[peak socket]

so for him specifically thats always a curse? its not like a frail down?

[near plinth]

Yeah

Actually no

I think turn 2, he hits you with the constricted debuff.

THat is also swirling.

But he will alwaays hit you with it first.

[agile zephyr]

wrong enemy

[near plinth]

Actually, no

I am mixing up enemies.

[agile zephyr]

he can frail you with one of his attacks

does 12 dmg, looks like a poisoned sword

[near plinth]

No, the mass swirly debuff is always the curse.

[agile zephyr]

i know

he can frail you still

[near plinth]

kk

[peak socket]

this is the run, time to throw it

[peak socket]

alright im calling for help, i have a power build and im against the awakened

[earnest tartan]

wya

[near plinth]

prolly ded

[earnest tartan]

No!

[near plinth]

tru tho

[peak socket]

just finished my mahjong game where i got to play as a spectator. you around coach?

[earnest tartan]

i can be

[peak socket]

let me know if you wanna

[earnest tartan]

sure sure

[earnest tartan]

he did it!

[peak socket]

this is so dumb, im just perma in divine stance

this character is free

[peak socket]

@agile zephyr told me this character is good. i think its hot ass

[agile zephyr]

the spire giveth, the spire taketh

[peak socket]

i just saw what a reptomancer can do against a mid deck on A20. thats alotta damage

[peak socket]

if you debuff strength and its multi hitting, its the first number that decreases ya?

[agile zephyr]

yes

[arctic scaffold]

Got another one

[peak socket]

how many is that in your collection

[peak socket]

omg theres a mod that just does the maths for you?

[peak socket]

for real?

[near plinth]

Maybe the outcome would have been different if you had those 2 unlocks.

[peak socket]

maybe if ironclad wasnt lame

[earnest tartan]

Its a nice qol, but truthfully quick maths

[peak socket]

i still have to level him a whole extra time

so lame

[grand roost]

at least ironclad is the most fun class

so it'll go by in no time

[peak socket]

its the most boring to me

[agile zephyr]

ironclad is fhe most fun to me since he has the most variety of cards that are actually viable in a20

some classes have like one archetype max thats good

plus the starting relic lets u get away with fun shit

[earnest tartan]

Thats how I feel about silent

Lots of moving pieces that work

[agile zephyr]

i think poison sucks at a20 for silent

shiv and discard are good

[earnest tartan]

I think poison just sucks

[agile zephyr]

but discard is a bonus package that u cant focus on

shiv can win by itself but not discard

[earnest tartan]

The best discard cards are prep and acro imo

[peak socket]

i unno ive seen the vision with seeks, holograms, and skims

[near plinth]

You can just be like me, pick watcher and deckslop your way to A20.

[peak socket]

too much thinking and too broken

[peak socket]

ive consumed so much frost prime content since trying to get back into this game

[arctic scaffold]

looks like you value entertainment more so than the best decision making

i think frost is a great player and at your level is fine to learn from

and he can be entertaining for some

but i view baalor and xecnar much more valuable to watch if i want to improve my actual gameplay

[peak socket]

i unno i tried watching who sherlock suggested but he was so low energy monotone i fall asleep. im still only on a5 anyway. plus frostprime has done collabs with a bunch of streamers i know so those have been interesting to watch

[arctic scaffold]

he's way too mrbeasty youtuber-y for me

nothing against the guy i just hate the environment of his streams and associate it with brainrot

i understand why he does it

he's the most popular sts player prolly

keep doing what works

[peak socket]

ya i need the dumb jokes and idiot chat. i have no idea why. maybe its the way my adhd is and if im watching someone too serious its like im in school again and my mind drifts

[arctic scaffold]

watching critikal play slay the spire is my favourite form of ragebait

[near plinth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/686060/Mewgenics/

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@peak socket This has been development longer than skong.

It is gonna be out in 3 weeks

[peak socket]

lol this is so gross

this is a watch NL play it and see how it is

[arctic scaffold]

oops

[near plinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAiIiju7lCo

This actually looks...good.

[peak socket]

https://www.reddit.com/r/slaythespire/s/mxJW5ghWJu

[errant sphinx]

https://vxreddit.com/r/slaythespire/s/mxJW5ghWJu

[arctic scaffold]

I guarantee majority of people are saying it in jest

[peak socket]

Back seating in these games are insane though

[peak socket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz64CqD6eEs

[near plinth]

Oh yes. The crossover of the century.

Doogs and Jessup on the mewtrain

[near plinth]

Dude, hearing this guy talk about game design is awesome.

[peak socket]

its interesting he likes the choose 3 options rogue likes

[viscid heart]

Wish the art style of all the games that dude touches wasn't absolutely hideous

[sleek jacinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW22jwFNxU8

4 player co op and defect is back

[near plinth]

This is the greatest news of this century.

[peak socket]

why would i wanna play with 3 other people

wait the upcoming release isnt 1.0?

[sleek jacinth]

nope, early beta

probably need to test the co op a bit

[peak socket]

lame

[agile zephyr]

first game also released in early access as well. only ironclad and silent were playable at that time

[peak socket]

prob skip the release then

[arctic scaffold]

I am overjoyed

[near plinth]

This sentiment. I strongly agree.

[peak socket]

might be the first time someone agreed with one of my takes in this server

[heavy stump]

I am making my fiance play with me

I am so excited, we are going to die

[arctic scaffold]

you're excited that you're going to die? or that you're starting?

[heavy stump]

I was so excited I forgot my comma lmfao

Both tbf lmao

[viscid heart]

I have infinite love for co op it sounds sick to me tbh

I'm way more likely to play a game if it's fun to play with friends

[peak socket]

Congrats you would play literally anything. Including watching paint dry simulator

[viscid heart]

I am amazed by how far you jumped for that conclusion shit was olympic

[peak socket]

The point is everything is fun with friends and it should never be a selling point. Making a coop game that lasts is way harder than people think it is. Not everything needs to have a friendslop mode because it can ruin the game and I've had this opinion since 2011 when the people around me said Skyrim would be so much more fun if you could coop it. I'd rather have a better sts experience with new mechanics and new cards then see dev time wasted on the same old cards from the first game but it took so long to come out cuz they were busy making a mode that people might play for a week then never touch again. And hey it might do gang busters and people keep playing it I just have no faith in it. Coop deck builders is the most back seaty boring games I've played. But hey dev, change my mind

[earnest tartan]

Only a few more hours

[arctic scaffold]

IT'S OUT GO GO GO

[agile zephyr]

lmao it wont let me actually buy it

finally, took me lkonger for steam to process my payment than to download it

[sleek jacinth]

there's no date for the 1.0 release is there?

[agile zephyr]

not yet

[agile zephyr]

won the tutorial run lets goo

[peak socket]

why you speedrunning it, take your time and look at everything

[agile zephyr]

40 mins to complete my first run didnt feel like speedrunning to me lmao

especially when my average run in the first one was 12 min

[peak socket]

just messing with you. have a couple streamers open to try and win a free copy. they failed their runs but they are taking it all in and playing slowly too

[grand roost]

hmmmm

[arctic scaffold]

first run went great

what the fuck

get ascenders bane but get 333 gold

so basically get 333 gold if you're used to playing on a10+

this is way too strong

they nerfed slimed? it's exhaust draw 1 card now

[earnest tartan]

I assume eternal is new keyword for "can't be removed from deck"?

[arctic scaffold]

yeah looks like it

JK IT'S NOT ETHEREAL

[earnest tartan]

Yeah...

[peak socket]

no achievements and no guarantee progress wont reset at 1.0? why would anyone buy ea

[earnest tartan]

Hype

[peak socket]

but what if you have to replay the whole game to get back everything you unlocked, thats so much time wasted

[earnest tartan]

Im not flaming here

But dont you play poe

[peak socket]

thats apples to oranges

[earnest tartan]

How

[agile zephyr]

they didnt do that for original sts

[peak socket]

what unlocks do i lose?

[earnest tartan]

Whatever gear you lose when making a new character on new season

All money

Skills

[peak socket]

thats the gameplay loop. if you wanted to compare it poe is a rogue like. sts is a rogue lite. you lose progression in one, you just lose time in the other

[earnest tartan]

I think youre splitting hairs

You can look at sts2 full release as a new season

[peak socket]

thats completely wrong. the only way that would work is if in poe i had to complete the campaign 4 times every season so i could play the one class i want to play

[earnest tartan]

The gameplay loop of rising through ascensions takes care of that

You're not losing anything

You have retained the experience and card knowledge to play the game

[peak socket]

if progress resets in 1.0 you would lose all character and character related unlocks

[arctic scaffold]

i don't think we know if it resets or not

and even if it does, unlocks are not why i play slay the spire

[arctic scaffold]

what the fuck

[earnest tartan]

Thats sick

Artifact stonks

[arctic scaffold]

welcome back divinity

[arctic scaffold]

am i crazy or is this horrible

[glass flint]

This fuckass card art is so beautiful

[arctic scaffold]

this is so sick

[peak socket]

thats my goat

[arctic scaffold]

THE RETURN

[grand roost]

https://x.com/i/status/2029716552627654714

[errant sphinx]

https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2029716552627654714

Mega Crit ⚔️ Slay the Spire 2 Out Now! (@MegaCrit)

Slay the Spire 2's concurrent Steam players just hit 179,456, the highest ever for any roguelike.
︀︀
︀︀When StS1 first launched back in 2017, it had 193 concurrent players.
︀︀
︀︀That's a 92,982% increase, meaning StS3 is on track to hit 166,861,777 concurrent players by 2035. 💪

**💬 17 🔁 140 ❤️ 982 👁️ 17.7K **

FxTwitter · Mar 6, 2026, 12:31 AM

[glass flint]

I mean honestly, with how good it is so far

I'm not saying I wouldn't be one of the 166,861,777, BUT

[arctic scaffold]

this is one of the most broken relics i've seen

[earnest tartan]

holy brimstone

feel kinda bad because i basically got to cheese act3 for my first run

[arctic scaffold]

few runs so far

[agile zephyr]

power defect is still the funniest shit man, why do I have two bars of buffs and full orb slots on the beginning of turn 5

[peak socket]

how many failed runs though lys

[arctic scaffold]

4 failed runs so 8 total so far

The necromancer class will take some getting used to

[agile zephyr]

had the opposite issue with king guy

managed to win w necro first try with a osty build but i kept dying in the first act with king

[arctic scaffold]

Ok tbf im very uncomfortable with both for obvious reasons

I just got lucky with my regent run I think

[peak socket]

anyone else think its kinda funny how the reagent hangs out at the bonfire

[near plinth]

It's ok. It is offsetting the cost of 1 cost powers with a above average defend. Usually you don't want to play a power because you are taking damage. So, it's got a use case. The cost is kinda silly.

My IC got washed, but silent washed the spire in return.

3 failed runs or so on IC.

As usual, they got good enemy design. This time with solid art too.

[peak socket]

played the new classes yet?

[near plinth]

Just tried the regent. Got washed.

[peak socket]

but what do you think of his aura

[near plinth]

Got some sukuna vibes.

[earnest tartan]

hes really fun

but i dont understand how to play stars

[peak socket]

you just spam radiate and win

[near plinth]

Found an unholy amalgamation of awakened one and gremlin nob.

[glass flint]

The illusion of free will

[glass flint]

It's per turn and not per combat

[peak socket]

yea, ive seen it do absolutely disgusting damage

[glass flint]

You should see murder

It's like 1 damage and 1 damager for every card drawn this combat

[peak socket]

isnt that the golden axe or does that do something else?

[glass flint]

It's the Silent card with a knife

[peak socket]

oh mine i was thinking of was cards played

[glass flint]

Murder is crazier because it's cards drawn

[peak socket]

yea but this one you dont have to force yourself to play a mid character 😏

[sturdy basin]

Any of yall gotten the Bing Bong doll relic yet

it's the dumbest and funniest thing ever

[arctic scaffold]

no but imma look out for it