Mortal Kombat

[kindred osprey]

Raiden and Lao got their powers
Kenshi got his blindfold
Why only Scorp doesn't get the scar?

And that's GREAT
Best feelings

[subtle oyster]

Omni man coming 11/6

[kindred osprey]

Still thinking if I should buy him or not

[wind hedge]

I'm buying the pass for Kameos

[wind hedge]

Alright, if anyone wants to play later today let me know

Apparently jump in overhead, 28 frame overhead. People actually get hit by that

[subtle oyster]

I told you

Nobody listens to me in this sub

[wind hedge]

I still don't understand how man

[subtle oyster]

People tend to block the jump in then low block to get ready for the low. On top of nobody playing Nitara you will get away with that

[wind hedge]

Somebody get me snake why does Geras have a low, a command grab, and an overhead

Like maybe I'm slow but the feel SO FAST

Is that stuff reactable?

Like an the bad one for getting this done to me multiple times

Like what exactly am I missing here?

[subtle oyster]

The armored move that launched you

And he gets combo breakers constantly 24/7

[subtle oyster]

The tick throws aren’t and the low isn’t

[wind hedge]

So am I not supposed to be in the air when he has meter?

[subtle oyster]

I have no idea

I wouldn’t let that get in your head

I also have no idea how to play Nitara optimally

[wind hedge]

It's like he is 80% mix

20% range

[subtle oyster]

@tough rock I’m not even the one hating Geras this timeline

Your hate will make you powerful

[wind hedge]

Well now he's back on Johnny

This game kind of ass

[subtle oyster]

😔

[wind hedge]

Johnny and Stryker is so stupid

I take it back, is there a slur for Johnny players?

[subtle oyster]

There is a Johnny player in this discord and there is in fact a slur that he hates

[wind hedge]

I can still play Liu

But I can not see where Liu and Johnny fall into the same tier

I won the set as well but I'm very curious why Johnny wouldn't be in his own tier

[tough rock]

You're hating on Jade this timeline

[wind hedge]

Can someone RQ remind me where replays are?

I did one thing cool and I wanted to clip it.

[tough rock]

I kinda don't think it is reactable but you have to block it by situational awareness.

So if Geras hits you with a sweep, doesn't dash forward, assume the F3 is coming just because even of its blocked, he's far enough away and the slight pushback makes it unlikely to be heavily punished

If geras dashes forward after a knockdown expect F4 because F3 is "GGS Shake my hand" punishable up close

@wind hedge let me fight this Geras lol

[wind hedge]

Next time he wants to play and you're around sure

He always wants more Geras tech

[tough rock]

I won't even teach him Geras. Just play him once with Geras, then switch off so he wonders wtf he got hit with

[wind hedge]

Sheesh

Started burning bar to move with Nitara, it's pretty funny

Also Serena projectile is neat but I want a different Kameo

[tough rock]

Nah but id probably run a few Geras mirrors and if he starts adapting I'll play more

[wind hedge]

Since I actually did do some silly stuff as Nitara

Ayy yo?

So for the overview? It's not talking about just ranked right?

Because it says for Liu Kang I'm 246/136

Because there's NO WAY that's right since I don't play that much KL

Unless that's also like PvE invasions

[tough rock]

I don't know because it says I'm like 300/80 with Geras despite me not having 380 online non private matches

[wind hedge]

Alright watching this replay? Why does Liu get the same damage as the opponents jump in for his anti air reward? That's kind of stupid

[subtle oyster]

That’s total

[wind hedge]

Fantastic

If I was that good I'd lose my mind

[wind hedge]

Which one is F4?

[tough rock]

Low launcher

[wind hedge]

Ah okay

[tough rock]

F3 is the overhead

[wind hedge]

Okay, so it's a guess when he's that close between grab and the low?

@subtle oyster

The first round is missing but take a look at this one

https://vxtwitter.com/HenTy56/status/1717214115393909000?t=YYYEwibNmp5SkAGWxOGlTg&s=19

Because I still got my Liu skill. If I knew how to punish Johnny it would be a lot better

[subtle oyster]

Your offense is fine but your defense isn’t. His kick at 4 seconds is punishable, you got caught pressing out of turn at 8 seconds against the fastest character in the game, overhead is reactable at 10 seconds Johnny has no low starter, he gave you a free punish combo at 32 seconds but you didn’t take it, when you block Stryker at 34 seconds respond with a fast button as he’s not that minus

Offense looks fine. You shimmied the ever living fuck out of him at 44

You let Luna get away with a lot of stuff too I think you just gotta work on punishes

[wind hedge]

My defense will always be rough because I don't press

Not saying it'll never be good

[subtle oyster]

That’s fine if you don’t press often as long as you see the punishable stuff and punish it

[wind hedge]

But I definitely don't many punish things as well due to me not thinking about it

Best way to explain it is how I don't ever need to think hard about an AA

But I do a punish

[subtle oyster]

Your offense neutral and anti airs are looking amazing tho

MK is big on punishes

[wind hedge]

Yeah that's issue, that's what I think I need help with

[subtle oyster]

Part of it is matchup knowledge

Part of it is practice

Lab the characters you see and hate the most first: Johnny, Geras, Shao etc

Lab the punishable shit

So for Johnny

[wind hedge]

B3?

[subtle oyster]

Punish rising star and b3

[wind hedge]

That launcher? I know it's punishable but I just forget

It loses to B2

But you gotta be FAST

[subtle oyster]

It’s super punishable

[wind hedge]

Rising is way easier

[subtle oyster]

Oh wait the b3 can be tricky if they space it

Which he did

[wind hedge]

It's because we constantly to whiff punish each other

[subtle oyster]

Well that’s the only reason Johnny should ever use that button in neutral and I know that guy uses it a lot after watching y’all

[wind hedge]

He'll hit my F4 I'll his his B3 etc.

[subtle oyster]

You have the advantage in neutral cause his button should be punished if blocked

[wind hedge]

I gotta see what punishes at max range

Wait

https://vxtwitter.com/HenTy56/status/1717215772085268514?t=vG4_9sjh_zpa34oFV7Ii3g&s=19

Here it is

Almost landed a cool combo

[subtle oyster]

I’m not sure if I’ve seen a video of him tick throwing you off f1

[wind hedge]

He does

My favorite is when he D1s I try to D1 and mine whiffs and I get punished with a command group

Grab*

He tells me my Nitara is "good" for a day one/2

[subtle oyster]

Yeah it can tick off the d1 too

They even dumbed down the inputs for command grabs

[kindred osprey]

I will!!!!
In exactly 4h

[kindred osprey]

I think it's Jad...
Jadedaloo

[subtle oyster]

Stop that

[kindred osprey]

LOL
It's fine
I also hate her

And I didn't even play 11 that much

[subtle oyster]

She’s cancer

Terrible lore design too

Worst fighting game gameplay ever

[wind hedge]

I'm slowly seeing the Nitara vision

Mainly because I'm not fighting a Li Mei

The blood sacrifice is neat but I wish sub Kameo was as good as Serena in neutral

[subtle oyster]

Depends on what the goal is

Or the matchup

Sometimes sub is better

[wind hedge]

Serena is just a great check that's the only reason I use her

Sub gives me projectile immunity and the freeze that would let me generate health back

When I get hope I'll show the one bar version. I think she gets like 70 health back or something like that

Sorry it's about 90 health

[wind hedge]

Yeah she gets a lot health actually

[subtle oyster]

You can’t hit confirm that but if you’re sure it’s gonna hit then send it

[wind hedge]

I'm streaming now

And man Geras shouldn't have command grabs

D1 into command grab is the dumbest thing

[subtle oyster]

I don’t see your stream

Did you change your name?

[wind hedge]

No

Well I started it up again

Damn he had to split

Guess I'll try KL

Stream should be up this time

Kitanas are losers

No offense to any of y'all

[subtle oyster]

Kitana is fun

[wind hedge]

The one I was playing against

[subtle oyster]

She’s just white bread basic

[wind hedge]

She was a loser no competition

I ain't ever seen someone do nothing than just do stuff

Maybe that's just KL but she's annoying to punish

That being said I healed like 200 health

Nah I am absolutely uploading this.

I'm gonna assume this is what KL is just kinda like

[subtle oyster]

I don’t see the stream

[wind hedge]

It's fine it'll be up later

I'm waiting for the dude I was playing against to get back

Man, watching the game again. Ain't no way this is the KL experience

[tough rock]

Anyone playing right now?

Got an hour until I pick up my stepson

@wind hedge @subtle oyster
@kindred osprey

[wind hedge]

I can pretty soon

I'm gonna be on Nitara though

[tough rock]

Ping me whenever. Need like 10 minutes anyway

[wind hedge]

@tough rock I'm good

Just invite me

[kindred osprey]

I'll be on in 15min

[wind hedge]

Luna I'm gonna need to you to watch one round of me against their Kitana. It can not be this bad in the trenches of KL

[kindred osprey]

I'm here
Y'all fighting?
And ok! Will do my best!

[wind hedge]

He's not here yet

So for now I guess let's play

If you want to invite me

[kindred osprey]

Ok

Inv sent

OK
Good combo

Stolen

[wind hedge]

Man how do you even punish this creature

[kindred osprey]

Your Nitara is WAY better than last time

Bad drop

[wind hedge]

Wow I'm bad

[tough rock]

I'm finally on@wind hedge @kindred osprey

Took longer than I thought it would

[subtle oyster]

Stream it

[kindred osprey]

AHHHHHH

Last breath

[subtle oyster]

I wanna see some sweaty beef sets

Kill each other

[wind hedge]

I'm still eating shit

Shao will make me uninstall one of these days

Go ahead and invite us @queen pulsar

@tough rock

[tough rock]

Holy shit they added forever king

[wind hedge]

Man I still can't beat Shao and insane mix, insane range, insane damage and an extra ONE HUNDRED HEALTH

[tough rock]

Also, Evening Wu Shi Academy?

[wind hedge]

Also Halloween Cage mansion

@subtle oyster stream is up

[tough rock]

Matchmaking error for me

[wind hedge]

@tough rock

You still can't connect?

Oh nevermind

You were on Nitara

[tough rock]

I'm in lol

[wind hedge]

Luna has mastered just pressing shit

I am jealous so much

[kindred osprey]

THE KLONE

Man
The fucking Klone
LMFAO

[subtle oyster]

The fucking ping is at 343ms holy shit

[kindred osprey]

That's...
Normal
No?

[subtle oyster]

Norma is under 100

[kindred osprey]

I never fought anyone under 200

[wind hedge]

Nah it's probably because Luna is host

[kindred osprey]

230

OH
Shit

If y'all wanna host, it's fine

[tough rock]

This is cracked

[wind hedge]

If snake doesn't complain I won't

But we can make a new one

[kindred osprey]

Complain about Shao.

[subtle oyster]

That’s probably like 10 frames of input lag

[remote mountain]

just found out geras/lao time stop interaction

wtf

that shit looks sick

[subtle oyster]

No wonder you can’t punish shit

[kindred osprey]

Ded?

[wind hedge]

I am ass

Shao is something

[subtle oyster]

You are not in fact ass

[kindred osprey]

Why sometimes my B3 into FB do 45% and sometimes 36%?

[subtle oyster]

Unless you eat ass

[wind hedge]

I can't even like do the dive up into dive down

[wind hedge]

Because I'm mashing D1

[subtle oyster]

Then you are what you eat

[wind hedge]

Nah have you seen my struggle out here

I can't even jump

[subtle oyster]

I saw you beat Snake

[wind hedge]

Lag

[kindred osprey]

And Snake Sub

[wind hedge]

Blame it on that

[subtle oyster]

My god give yourself an ounce of credit

Snake is good in lag or not

[wind hedge]

Bro, my losses stuck out a lot more than my wins

I'm trying to think what I'm supposed to do differently

[subtle oyster]

W’s are W’s and L’s are L’s it doesn’t matter if you get fucking flawlessed or if you did the flawlessing

Reads are reads and you made a lot of them

[tough rock]

Bruh

I hate Shao

I'm about to lab this dude

[kindred osprey]

I'm making people hate me

[subtle oyster]

I don’t mind Shao

(:

[tough rock]

He's just annoying

[kindred osprey]

:)*

[subtle oyster]

But Goro

):

If you play Jade I’m teebagging

[tough rock]

I'd rather fight Baraka Cyrax pre nerf than Shai

[kindred osprey]

Wow
Is he that bad?

[subtle oyster]

No

I imagine in 343 ping everyone sucks ass tho

[kindred osprey]

Ok.

[subtle oyster]

“I suck” then proceeds to 528 you lmao

[wind hedge]

Brother

What even is my option there without a low starter?

[subtle oyster]

Well she spacing her strings out and the random teles with Goro suck ass

[wind hedge]

Man I think I do suck in comparison to the other people in here.

[subtle oyster]

You can prob down 3 that

[wind hedge]

I don't have set ups like these

[subtle oyster]

Mileena Goro like that is brain dead I taught her that

It makes way more sense to time stop right there since you gonna get punished anyways

[tough rock]

Give Goro the Cyrax double bar nerf

[kindred osprey]

Goro has a two bar attack already

[subtle oyster]

The recharge needs to be nerfed

[kindred osprey]

Just...
Noone ever uses it

[subtle oyster]

People bout to run more Goro

[kindred osprey]

I can just block that, right?
I let go of block expecting the cmd grab

[subtle oyster]

The reason that move is 2 bars is cause NRS got under fire with that move in MK11

[kindred osprey]

Yes.
Sheeva flashbacks

[tough rock]

This lag is unplayable

[subtle oyster]

Yeah it’s a 50/50. If you let go of block you’re getting combo’d, if you block that you get a full combo

[kindred osprey]

I think you should host and inv us

I didn't know me hosting would make connection suck like that

[kindred osprey]

I get full combos ducking the cmd grab as well
So I just need to guess correctly...

[wind hedge]

I can also host

[kindred osprey]

Time stop does consume a bar, no?

[subtle oyster]

Yeah EX time stop does

[wind hedge]

But because I can't leave I'd like you to make a room snake

[kindred osprey]

He already did
Lmao

[wind hedge]

I'll join after this match

[kindred osprey]

Ok

[subtle oyster]

I was gonna say the one KOTH we ran a while back was the worst lag I’ve ever experienced

[tough rock]

Koth in general may just be laggy

[subtle oyster]

We gotta try one with Tyler and see

Luna giving y’all the lag switch Shao 50/50 tech👀

[kindred osprey]

Aw
He knows to jump that

[wind hedge]

You can aim it up

You know that right?

[kindred osprey]

What?
Air grab?

[wind hedge]

Yeah like O yash

[kindred osprey]

SHIT

Nope
Didn't know that

[wind hedge]

Does no one READ?

[subtle oyster]

Yeah you can do grab or air grab it’s bullshit

[wind hedge]

It's in the damn move list

[kindred osprey]

Nope
Never looked at his cmd list

[subtle oyster]

It’s like Zangief

Bullshit

[wind hedge]

Man am I playing this game wrong for reading?

[subtle oyster]

I make reads all day in fighting games😎

[kindred osprey]

I just watch YT videos of people doing cool stuff
I never opened his cmd list

[wind hedge]

I'm playing the game wrong I must be

[kindred osprey]

Reads? You spam Johnny Plus 50/50 mids

LMFAO

[subtle oyster]

I read minds not words

[wind hedge]

@tough rock I am here

[subtle oyster]

Johnny didn’t hit you with 15 air fireballs in a row

I don’t need Johnny

[kindred osprey]

Sonya is a good AA

[subtle oyster]

😎

[kindred osprey]

LMFAO
And the worst part is...
I swear to you, wasn't on purpose
I REALLY thought jumping for the 16th time was the right call

[subtle oyster]

The no mixup mixup

[kindred osprey]

I honestly believed I was doing the right thing
LMFAO

Best sets

[subtle oyster]

Lolll

[kindred osprey]

Doesn't Nitara combo that low into FB?

[wind hedge]

Man my Nitara is bad in playable netcode

She does

[kindred osprey]

You should just do it sometimes

[wind hedge]

But I'm not you

[subtle oyster]

Fuck that was a close game

[kindred osprey]

No confirm
Just belief

[wind hedge]

Absolutely not because it's actually punishable

[kindred osprey]

Shao's is too.

Believe it'll hit
And it eventually will

[wind hedge]

By one special move?

[subtle oyster]

Don’t do that

She’s high on crack

You damn near won that game

[kindred osprey]

LMFAO

[tough rock]

I straight up don't know Nitara

And Lao

[subtle oyster]

Lao’s 21 is plus a lot

But you can down 1 it

[tough rock]

Of course it is

[kindred osprey]

I tried backdash mid
But I did shit

Twice

[subtle oyster]

It’s not the easiest one to get

[tough rock]

I'm about to just start running Johnny Lao at this point

[subtle oyster]

Idk but I’m gonna give Luna the business later for calling me a spammer

[tough rock]

Plus frame spammer

[subtle oyster]

Plus frame into frame trap into Lao hat plus frames poor me

Reptile is a nice yolo character for this crackhead

[kindred osprey]

LMFAO
🙂

[tough rock]

But no Goro

[wind hedge]

Nitara needs to have 4 bars of meter

I figured it out

[subtle oyster]

Gonna try to set the record for number of hairballs someone can eat in a row

[kindred osprey]

Reptile Goro is cool
But like...
I wanna learn Reptile Scorp for the invis setups

[subtle oyster]

You need to learn reptile with someone other than goro so you can experience neutral

FINISH ME JOHNNY

[kindred osprey]

I learned him with Sub
But now Idk his optimal combos without the freeze

Sub or Frost

[tough rock]

When did Millia get added into Mortal Kombat?

[wind hedge]

PFTTYT

That's hilarious

[kindred osprey]

Doesn't Nitara gain more with Frost than Sub?
High low mix ups

[wind hedge]

It kinda is like that

[tough rock]

@north mango where you at?

[subtle oyster]

Unsafe on block high low mixups

[kindred osprey]

Best type of mix ups.

[subtle oyster]

Soul warrior prob died by a Baraka at launch

If only he could have made it to this patch

RIP

[wind hedge]

I literally know it's a low and refuse to block it

[subtle oyster]

This is an even better character for this crackhead

[kindred osprey]

LMFAO

[wind hedge]

He looks ugly without the mask

[tough rock]

This crackhead plays anyone with Yolo potential

[wind hedge]

Put it back on

[kindred osprey]

He doesn't

[wind hedge]

Nah it's that side profile

He's got a bad one

[kindred osprey]

Now I'm going with him

[subtle oyster]

His hair makes me want to gouge my eyes out

[wind hedge]

Bro looks like he's tell me to drink at a different water fountain

[tough rock]

Screw it random

[kindred osprey]

I do prefer his MK9 hair

[subtle oyster]

The one time I actually want you to go invisible

Get that ugly ass off my screen

JOHNNY MY LOVE

[wind hedge]

@subtle oyster what's you opinion looking at Nitara. Not mine specifically but also Deo's?

You think she's also a mix character or just like anime character with air dashes?

[subtle oyster]

More a unique character

But it’s fair

[wind hedge]

Ah

[subtle oyster]

Like if you would have done the overhead pressure thing I told you about you would have gotten more combos with her tho

[wind hedge]

Yeah I keep forgetting to

[subtle oyster]

It combos if it hits and puts you in prime position to mix the fuck out of them

[kindred osprey]

My smoke needs WORK
But I have too many chars to work on

[subtle oyster]

Plus frames out the ass and Luna ate 7 sweeps

The no mixup mixup

[kindred osprey]

LMFAO
I always fall for those

[subtle oyster]

They’re annoying

Tbf

[kindred osprey]

Sektor before rolling

[subtle oyster]

Of course this is your strat

[kindred osprey]

Sektor before Teleport also works

[subtle oyster]

….

Street fighter players are like we love neutral then play like this

God damn Goro

[kindred osprey]

That COMBOED?

[wind hedge]

Man

Snake is so damn good

[tough rock]

[subtle oyster]

Mileena is a bitch

[kindred osprey]

I never said I liked neutral.
I skip it to the good part

I am a Marisa main

Just armor through

[wind hedge]

It's like I just don't know when to ever press anything and her Sai have so much range

YOU FUCKING SAW EARLIER? I threw a s3 with Liu and she whiff punished the hit box at the tip of his foot and got a FULL combo at that range

[subtle oyster]

Mileena Goro prob a bad mu for Liu

She negates all the shit you do safely

[kindred osprey]

MILEENA IS BULLSHIT

WTF

[wind hedge]

Don't you play her?

[kindred osprey]

LMFAO
Jk jk
Love her

[subtle oyster]

How the turntables

[kindred osprey]

I just didn't really know what to do with Kitana

[tough rock]

Welcome to non Yolo city

[subtle oyster]

Play neutral

[tough rock]

[kindred osprey]

EWWWWWW
No.

[tough rock]

[kindred osprey]

The F4
LOL

Love it so much

[subtle oyster]

Odd if you to post a picture of a random ballsack

[wind hedge]

I'm so jealous of people having good wake-up reversals

[kindred osprey]

I told you.
Low into FB

[tough rock]

[kindred osprey]

Will work more than you expect

[wind hedge]

If I told you Luna I did and FB just didn't come out

Would you believe it

Because that's what happened

[kindred osprey]

Then blame the game
Lmao

[wind hedge]

I'm not because that's on me ne

[subtle oyster]

We don’t do that here. Only lag and Goro

[wind hedge]

I continuously have issues like that

Every F1 you see me land without a sub freeze. It's supposed to be there

[kindred osprey]

I hate when it happens
Specially when I do it with Shao
He just stomps on your feet and then starts dancing with stance switches

[wind hedge]

I enjoy Shujinko having that white girl normal. The ass smash or peach side B

Or whatever the input for Bridget's one is

[kindred osprey]

Shit
Couldn't hit a fan

LMAO

[tough rock]

Going back a few mileena/Nitara intros ago

If Nitara captured Kitana then Mileena isn't the one to worry about

Nitara about to get sent to the Shadow Realm

[kindred osprey]

I want Nitara with Armageddon design.

[wind hedge]

Nitara has intros I never would have heard

[kindred osprey]

My Kitana isn't there yet
But she will be...
In Invasions Season 2, when I repeat her combos to exhaustion

[subtle oyster]

Nitara with another W

[kindred osprey]

She has a dive kick...
Interested.

Had never seen that kick

NO RESPECT

[tough rock]

Is this a fatality I see?

[wind hedge]

I think that's gotta be the worst fatality

I just wanted to show it off

My apologies

[tough rock]

Am I seeing this right?

[kindred osprey]

Nah
Shao has a worse one

[subtle oyster]

This is the sweat I need

[wind hedge]

Wow it works as an anti air

[kindred osprey]

It does

[subtle oyster]

You generally don’t wanna jump with FB active

That’s how it was in the last game

[wind hedge]

Nah that's better than Nitara's

[subtle oyster]

Shao out here making everyone rage

[kindred osprey]

Really?

[wind hedge]

I'd think so

[kindred osprey]

I don't think so
That's so goofy and weird

[wind hedge]

Brake check is the name of it and I think it's stupid as hell

I already miss getting health mid game though

[kindred osprey]

SHITTTTT

Almost

[subtle oyster]

Ima take a trip to Brazil and 10-0 Luna as part of the vacation

[kindred osprey]

LOL
Nah, my Mileena won't let you

[subtle oyster]

No lag switch to save you then

[kindred osprey]

No lag
Just Goro

[subtle oyster]

Fuck that guy

[kindred osprey]

That's for Sheeva

[subtle oyster]

Sheeva is a whore

[kindred osprey]

"I preferred when you used skimpy clothes"
-Kahn, Shao

[wind hedge]

My how is my Liu still decent

[kindred osprey]

Muscle memory

[wind hedge]

Truly

[kindred osprey]

Your Kiu is great

[subtle oyster]

“I’m bad” quiet you

[kindred osprey]

Liu Lao Lao Lao

[tough rock]

You're gonna get Yolo teleport kicked as soon as you cross the border

[subtle oyster]

The Shaolin showdown pt 3

[kindred osprey]

WTF

Where are my plus frames?

[wind hedge]

This one is the coolest

No exception

That's godhood

[subtle oyster]

Spammer, not so easy now is it

[kindred osprey]

It is cool, but...
Mileena eating your brain is better imo

[wind hedge]

Chief

CHIEF

PLEASE

Snake it ain't that serious

[kindred osprey]

LMAO
But cmon
Isn't that supposed to be +2?

[wind hedge]

Let me hit my 50 combo

[subtle oyster]

What did you press after

[kindred osprey]

Dash 21
Should I not have dashed?

[subtle oyster]

His back 2 prob beat that

[kindred osprey]

It did.
Why tho?

I know what to do prob
Just...
Why tho?

[subtle oyster]

It’s possible the initial dash didn’t come out frame perfect

[wind hedge]

Man

[subtle oyster]

And with the added dash

[kindred osprey]

Ashrah is top tier broken

[subtle oyster]

I’m telling you guys this char is fucking stupid

[kindred osprey]

I'd play her more if it wasn't for that tbh

[wind hedge]

Ashrah, I'm happy she looks so fucking ugly so no one plays her

If anyone wants to argue feel free to be wrong

[kindred osprey]

She doesn't!!!!!!
She looks cute af

[tough rock]

I forgot this is lore accurate

[subtle oyster]

Johnny is the only thing standing in the way of her

So you guys should thank me tbh

[wind hedge]

If you picked Ashrah I would invest resources in every discord to find the counter play

Deleting the game is probably also a counter play. That's what I saw on Reddit for fighting Geras

[subtle oyster]

Best buttons in the game, best armor in the game, as many plus frames as Johnny, top tier damage

Horse shit

[subtle oyster]

I’d hit

[wind hedge]

Listen

Her face looks she gets hit by a pie from a clown but it has a brick behind it.

[subtle oyster]

Nobody cared about Baraka’s ugly ass

[wind hedge]

Because Baraka isn't ugly. He's diseased

[kindred osprey]

I do know her.

I just never pick her because she is TOO strong

[tough rock]

Found the closet Reptile main

[subtle oyster]

Where’s that tongue meme

Sindel is my queen I’d never cheat

[kindred osprey]

WHY TF

[subtle oyster]

Ashrah’s VA did an amazing job tho

[kindred osprey]

Wtf

I wanted projectile
It's not bf2.

?

[wind hedge]

Man, is that string an overhead or a low?

[kindred osprey]

22? Low

[wind hedge]

I'll have to check

She just swings her sword

[kindred osprey]

Yeah, low

Fuck Raiden
Liu should've just killed the guy

[wind hedge]

Man do I really just pick all the bottom tiers? Make Nitara overhead as fast as Raiden

Or preferably Lao

This next game is my last because my boy wants to play some

I feel Geras just does shit and it always really hurts

We love Shao

Fuck that guy

[kindred osprey]

We all do

[wind hedge]

GGs

[tough rock]

Fuck shao and fuck Lao especially

[kindred osprey]

GGs!!!!!

Also my last one

[wind hedge]

As long as someone else gets my pain I'm less mad about it.

Like why can't Nitara be low-key busted

[tough rock]

Bruh this is stupid

[kindred osprey]

GGs!!!!
Thank y'all so much for the games

[tough rock]

Like I said, would rather fight Baraka cyrax

Ggs though

[kindred osprey]

If Mileena gets nerfed
Shao is the main

Super fun
Thank y'all so much for the games

[tough rock]

Can't wait for Tekken

[kindred osprey]

I'll learn some yolo BS to make you hate Tekken too

Lmao
Jk jk
I don't really like 3D fighters

[tough rock]

There isn't any

[kindred osprey]

There was Akuma in 7

[tough rock]

There's no goro or Kung Lao to bail you out of full combo punishes

[tough rock]

Who required so much skill only pros used

[kindred osprey]

Really?
He seemed the easiest to me

I mean, I am a SF player

[subtle oyster]

I was just about to say I’ll be on in a bit and everyone dipped

[kindred osprey]

I just DPed people and won
Lmao

[subtle oyster]

I hate ml

[kindred osprey]

I'll be back in like 30min

Just need to rest my hands and brain a bit
Not that I used it much

It just doesn't like being used

[subtle oyster]

Too much armor huh?

[kindred osprey]

Not even
High low and plus frames

[north mango]

Here

[tough rock]

Hi

[north mango]

I just don't use Discord as much lately

[north mango]

Hey

[tough rock]

Also, do you have MK1?

[north mango]

Since day 1

Hbu

[tough rock]

Yep

[north mango]

Noice

[tough rock]

Do you play Nitara?

[north mango]

Only in practice mode lol

She sucks

[tough rock]

She's literally Millia

Just minus hair car

[north mango]

Meh, her airdash recovery isn't as good

[tough rock]

Or slide

[north mango]

And no disk

[tough rock]

Or whatever that move was

[tough rock]

You don't need disk with how plus jump ins are

[north mango]

I go with Kitana/Frost most of the time

Sometimes with Goro too

[north mango]

I guess lol

[tough rock]

@north mango you wanna play sometime?

[north mango]

I can play in like 15 mins for a bit if you're on?

[tough rock]

Sure

[north mango]

Yayyy

Just gonna finish walkin my dog first

[tough rock]

Wife and son shouldn't be home for a while

Lucked out having to go get him

[north mango]

Freedom?

Who do you play btw?

[kindred osprey]

Just...
Do it more.
We miss you!!!!

You owe me some Chun rematch and MK1

[tough rock]

Geras

Kameo changes

[wind hedge]

Oh by the way

Did anyone even notice the health I was getting back from Nitara?

I looked at but I actually don't know if it made a big difference

[kindred osprey]

Yes.
It saved you once and COMPLETELY made up for the missing health she has

[subtle oyster]

I think they should buff it

[wind hedge]

I agree

[kindred osprey]

I don't even know why she doesn't have normal HP

[wind hedge]

I gotta use a whole Kameo to safely set it up

[subtle oyster]

She’s frail

I have no idea either tbh

[wind hedge]

It's like 90 or whatever health I be getting from EX sacrifice isn't really enough

Give me 110 because the scaling on me stealing health is weird

[kindred osprey]

Y'all on rn?
I am back

[north mango]

Awwww I miss you too guys

And we will fight in both games I promise Luna

[kindred osprey]

🙂

[north mango]

I never fought one lol

I can play now Snake

[kindred osprey]

Pick up Kof too while you're at it

[north mango]

Hmu when you wanna

[north mango]

Oof it's been a long time since I last touched KOF

[wind hedge]

After I eat I can give an answer to that

[north mango]

Last time I played B Jenet just came out

[kindred osprey]

Wow
I didn't even know you played Kof

Ok
That's been a WHILE

She just got murdered, so...
Good time to be back

[north mango]

Mai/Chizuru/Athena was my main team

[tough rock]

I got like 15 minutes If you're down

[north mango]

Mind you, before Chizuru got any major buffs

[north mango]

Same here lol

Lemme inv you

[wind hedge]

@north mango you ever see a Nitara?

[tough rock]

Man I'm trying to remember my kof team

[north mango]

No lol

[wind hedge]

Know she needs buffs

[tough rock]

Dolores, the school girl who bitch slaps you and... Iori

[wind hedge]

Yuri

[kindred osprey]

Tyler
Why don't you pick Shao?

Be happy

[wind hedge]

Because he's ugly and no hammer

[north mango]

Yuri?

[tough rock]

And no taunt

[tough rock]

Yes

[kindred osprey]

True
I like the battle axe, but the hammer was just more iconic

[wind hedge]

I don't think Nitara is attractive for the record. But she flies

[kindred osprey]

He SHOULD have the "You Suck" taunt
Or just say it in a brutality
Idk

Anything

[kindred osprey]

And UGLY?
Nah bro

First Ashrah and now Shao?
Smoke too

[wind hedge]

@kindred osprey

https://youtu.be/UycK0o_GqbA?si=FZFr-V5jXHGCBbRO

This is the video I wanted you to glance at as a Kitana player

[kindred osprey]

Gonna say Reptile is ugly too, now?

[wind hedge]

Honestly I just REALLY don't like the horns. They never bothered me before in the other games

This one is different

[kindred osprey]

I wouldn't call myself a Kitana player
I picked her up and haven't labbed at all

[wind hedge]

You do leagues better than this player though

Is this the type of stuff you had to deal with in KL?

It's like she can A2A me well but just hits buttons or do nothing basically

[tough rock]

Yeah.... I call cap on that lol

[kindred osprey]

Yes.
People seem to know how to do stuff well
But only ONE thing

This person knew how to A2A
If you didn't jump or found a way to fuck with that, they didn't know ANYTHING else

And that goes for everyone
Try ducking a Johnny's Shadow Kick
I had one Johnny literally rage quit, saying it was completely bullshit and I was robbing him because I just held down. He Ex Shadow Kicked on EVERY wake up

[north mango]

I'm not lying lol

I just play by intuition

[tough rock]

You know all the gaps to armor though his strings

He has three and you hit all 3

[north mango]

I never researched that, I just have a feeling if a string has a gap

Idk

Playing NRS games for a decade does that to a person lol

[wind hedge]

Damn did everyone play NRS games coming up except me

[kindred osprey]

I take back what I said
That person had cool combos and capitalized on any punishes they got

[kindred osprey]

I played lots of MK9
But X and 11 not so much

9 had cool outfits.

[wind hedge]

I just want to know why she gave up after I got some of my health back

[kindred osprey]

Ok...
Idk if I can help much
I'm still on the second match

But what I'm seeing and what I feel when fighting you is that you get A2Aed too much
As a Nitara player, your strength is in the fact that you can fly through the stage and full screen punish projectiles and such

At the same time, I think you should assume your opponent knows that and WILL try to interrupt you and take you out of the air.

As Kitana, I preferred to do high fan to force you into the ground, so you wouldn't really attack me from above
As Shao... I didn't have such a good option, but his j. 2 is BIG and comboes from an A2A, so every time I saw you jumping or doing smt on the air, I tried to go for it
As Mileena, I'd probably teleport or air ball

The point is that people try their best to take you out of the air
And you should bait that and punish or smt of the sort

Cuz that kitana was SPAMMING the j. Kick combo

[wind hedge]

I mean all she has is fast rise into air dash or like jump forward and then dash down back

That's mainly her tools to bait something like that

[kindred osprey]

There has to be some way of punishing that
I think you did already against me
Jump and then air dash back?
Does that work or just makes me whiff and back to neutral?

[wind hedge]

So I think it was the literal first round I did the jump air dash back to ground

[kindred osprey]

Maybe jump foward and dash down, so I'll whiff an air button and you upblock?

[wind hedge]

And punished her landing

Also jump towards them, dash up back, and dive kick

[kindred osprey]

You do it sometimes, but like...
You should do it more
Until they stop

[wind hedge]

Because why would they fall for it again

[kindred osprey]

If you found smt that works, do it until it doesn't anymore

[wind hedge]

Man, that only applies in SF and KOF

[kindred osprey]

Didn't you fall for Kung Dive Kicks many times before you figured out when I like to do it?

[wind hedge]

I haven't seen it work on someone else in this game.

People learn fast in MK

[kindred osprey]

I falled for fucking 15 air fireballs before I thought of just...
Not jumping

[subtle oyster]

He struggled to punish them but AA’d them a lot

[kindred osprey]

True
Not the best example I could think of

[wind hedge]

Oliver you're welcome to take a look at that video but you also saw me play Nitara today

[kindred osprey]

But like, everyone takes a while to learn new stuff
And when they do...
Mix up with the old stuff

[wind hedge]

I'm gonna find the clip of me doing BS with Nitara's dive kick

I gotta start EX ing it

Because it'll combo for like 35%

[subtle oyster]

What am I supposed to be looking at in the video?

[wind hedge]

You know, great question

Most things I was thinking about Luna told me already

I also want to learn how to use Nitara's AA

It's weird

@subtle oyster are you in rn?

Since you said you wanted to play

[kindred osprey]

Yo
If you whiff it right in front of your opponent, can you do a low instantly?

[wind hedge]

Nope

[kindred osprey]

Or at least, quite quickly?
Lao can

[wind hedge]

It's hella punishable

[kindred osprey]

Shit
She really is bad

[wind hedge]

Her 22 are both -6 on block

That's a crime

[tough rock]

@north mango wife came home ggs

[subtle oyster]

I’ll get on in a bit

[wind hedge]

She needs better frame data, perhaps more range, and more health steal or more health

[north mango]

Ggs! Hope we can play again soon

[wind hedge]

Snake are they cracked?

Do I need to duck them?

[kindred osprey]

If you up, I'm in

[tough rock]

Play and find out

[kindred osprey]

I am actually excited to find out

[wind hedge]

What a Geras thing to say

[kindred osprey]

"Stop wasting time"

"More sand for the hourglass"

That's what I remember
Lol

[tough rock]

Your death serves Kronika

[wind hedge]

Now, I'm gonna ask a stupid question

Is 384 for one bar as an anti air worth it?

@kindred osprey so this is about the most I do with her dive kick.

https://vxtwitter.com/HenTy56/status/1717324846357447160?t=znm1rhBRhMS6xMx3ixWc2w&s=19

[tough rock]

"It always ends the same"

[tough rock]

Kung Lao taking massive L's

[subtle oyster]

Anyone on?

[wind hedge]

I'm off for the night

[subtle oyster]

):

[wind hedge]

Wanted to ask how was it fighting Nitara. If it was difficult or not

[subtle oyster]

@kindred osprey come die

[tough rock]

[wind hedge]

@tough rock you think Nitara is tricky to play around or annoying to play around?

[tough rock]

The air mobility and dashes make her... unique and gives me Kabal PTSD but is she annoying or tricky? IDK id have to fight her more

[wind hedge]

Ah alright, I'm fighting to get better so I'll definitely stick with her

She's like the polar opposite of Liu when it comes down to play styles

I will become a threatening Nitara. Unfortunately I'll have to do that stupid nonsense called lows into overheads. And overheads into overheads, and low into false overhead into low

[subtle oyster]

I guess she is similar to air gas kabal but not nearly as shitty to deal with

I never wanna see that again

[wind hedge]

Damn, what do I gotta do to make her that shitty to deal with?

[subtle oyster]

Be broken as fuck

Which she isn’t on Kabal’s level

[wind hedge]

Maybe next patch

[subtle oyster]

He got like three fucking jump kicks in a row meterless

Into pressure grabs whatever the fuck

Did top end damage

And his buttons on the ground were also great

[wind hedge]

Damn

Wonder if that's why Nitara doesn't have great buttons on the ground

[subtle oyster]

She’s built around the air shit Kabal wasn’t

[wind hedge]

https://vxtwitter.com/LilSei_/status/1717307328519643439?t=IsSvYs4dBfYbLR64KVcirQ&s=19

Like this projectile doing this is neat but this is such a specific set up though

I've done it by accident

She has so many specific things. That's what's weird about her to me.

[subtle oyster]

Not many people gonna know what to do against her

[wind hedge]

Like armored wake ups are something. But is that really worth 2 bars

Oh wait he only used one

My B

I gotta see what the frame data on the projectile is

[kindred osprey]

Sorry
Not today
Have a test tomorrow and I need to study

[wind hedge]

Good luck on the test

[subtle oyster]

A.) Ball Roll B.) Teleport C.) Armor D.) Mash Buttons

What’s the answer Luna?

This is your test

[wind hedge]

Man people are finding such cool stuff with Motaro now

https://vxtwitter.com/Slik_Beats/status/1717127119451394513?t=JIFGwzH7RcmquFTEik0cxQ&s=19

[tough rock]

E.) Yes

[subtle oyster]

@kindred osprey @wind hedge are y’all gonna be on this weekend?

[wind hedge]

Barring an emergency, I should be

[subtle oyster]

Good

We’re gonna play a game

[wind hedge]

A game of MK or a game like SAW?

[subtle oyster]

Like both tbh

[wind hedge]

Oh no

Can't believe Ashrah wasn't in ECT top 10 but Nitara was

That's something

[kindred osprey]

Depends if I have Goro or not.
If not, Mash D1. Will hit even if my opponent backdashes due to Mileena BS range
If I do have Goro, options BC are the same and interchangeable with A. The important thing is to be unpredictable with it and safe with Goro

[kindred osprey]

Saturday morning only

[subtle oyster]

@wind hedge are you available Saturday morning

[kindred osprey]

Like
10h a.m. for me
Which should be 9h for you?

It's 00h24min rn

[subtle oyster]

@kindred osprey @wind hedge I’m turning 27 this weekend because I’m an old dinosaur so I’m going to let you guys face me 27 times. If I lose a game I take a shot.

[kindred osprey]

I am in.

[subtle oyster]

I’m going 27-0

[kindred osprey]

You're gonna experience the hell that is my Goro safe yolo crap

[wind hedge]

Man, I'm 22 and permanently tired and having back pain

How's 26 going?

[kindred osprey]

I'm 21 and just sad because college sucks

[subtle oyster]

Go for it (: Might even fight Goro with Goro😈

Day 1 goro

[kindred osprey]

Oh shit
I'm not ready for that

[subtle oyster]

Cancer against cancer

😈

[kindred osprey]

I'm Aries.

LOL

[wind hedge]

🐐

Is exactly what I am

[subtle oyster]

I’m Bo Rai Cho

[kindred osprey]

Capricorn?
Makes sense tbh

[subtle oyster]

@kindred osprey what about Friday night

[kindred osprey]

I like how he became Madam Bo now

[subtle oyster]

I’m a Scorpio but I’m not using the fire ninja

[kindred osprey]

OHHHHHHH
I'm in
Another all nighter?

[subtle oyster]

If you wanna lose 100 times in a row

[wind hedge]

What does that even mean?

[kindred osprey]

Nah
I'm making you chug the vodka

[subtle oyster]

You will never

I have you downloaded

@kindred osprey this is you

[kindred osprey]

But is Capricorn really your zodiac?
Capricorns are usually seen as workaholics, but that's just stereotype
The truth is that they usually work HARD for stuff they want and aren't really lazy, even tho they seem to think they are
Almost always feel like you don't do anything but actually realize you do more than most people?

[subtle oyster]

Fucking Foxy’s new username on his profile is Low-IQ-Player69 lmfaoooooo

Level 1

[kindred osprey]

My potato brain will brutality your ass

[wind hedge]

Was born on the 19th of January, so I'm about positive I'm a Capricorn unless there's a cut off date.

And my ass do be working hard on combos, hard enough to ignore hunger if I really need to get it done.

[subtle oyster]

Make me drink Tyler

I will be thirsty

[kindred osprey]

Idk tbh
My mother in law is from December 27 and is Capricorn, so most probably

I don't ACTUALLY believe in zodiacs, but like...
I don't doubt it either.
Seems to make sense most of the time, even tho there are exceptions

[wind hedge]

I will be playing Nitara unless I get a legit feeling to go Liu

[kindred osprey]

That can be explained by the moon and other variables, so...
I tend to take them into consideration, but not as a trustworthy source

[kindred osprey]

Pick Lao back up
Go ahead and try out some Mileena

[wind hedge]

Nitara is already here. She does about the other half of the game

[kindred osprey]

Her combos are stylish, cmon
Launcher, back to ground, launcher, air combo, air teleport

[wind hedge]

Liu is neutral and reads, Nitara is rushdown and mix

It works

[kindred osprey]

Pick Shao
A living fortified fortress

[subtle oyster]

I’ll probably play a mix of Johnny, Sindel, Liu, maybe Li Mei, Sub Zero, Kitana, and some others

[wind hedge]

Nah I'm wearing the Nitara weights Luna

If I can get good with a character right next to sub on tier lists I can get good with anything

Even if it is all lack of mu knowledge

[kindred osprey]

No more Cyrax to abuse me
I'm gonna actually have a turn now once every 25 blockstrings

[subtle oyster]

No you won’t but I don’t even need Johnny against you

[kindred osprey]

Lack of Mu knowledge is valid imo
Reasons why Billy does so well in ranked in Kof

[wind hedge]

Nah man just run Stryker and get punished and punish them for punishing you

[kindred osprey]

Goro does exactly that

[wind hedge]

Happens to me with that Geras player too many times

[kindred osprey]

And cooler

[wind hedge]

Except he doesn't let you combo right? At least I've never seen you combo from it

Just do more pressure

[kindred osprey]

Striker is cool with Mileena
I have tested
But idk...
Sometimes the bombs just go past them and doesn't save me

[kindred osprey]

I only have one combo with Goro ambush
I have another one with his grab

But both are not optimal
Just save me some bar

For a bit less dmg

And I'd usually rather save Goro for the yolo teleports or whatever
So I never use them

I also have an unblockable setup, but...
COMPLETELY useless

That shit should either do more dmg or let me combo from it...
Idk
But it just gives me a hard knockdown
That I could EASILY just get from F4

[subtle oyster]

I’m so excited for Friday night

[kindred osprey]

Me too
Got me hyped up

[subtle oyster]

I’m gonna be sober as shit

[kindred osprey]

Not by the time we stop

[subtle oyster]

Nope

[kindred osprey]

I want you yoloing Shadow Kicks by the time we stop

[subtle oyster]

I will sit there and hold block the entire game and beat you solely on punishes

In the meantime I’ll have to think about what the hell Nitara does

[kindred osprey]

Flies

[kindred osprey]

Not if I have Goro

[subtle oyster]

Your gameplay makes me want to vomit

[subtle oyster]

I told you I’m giving you a taste of your own medicine

Get ready

[kindred osprey]

I'm toxic because YOU MADE ME

[subtle oyster]

And I am going to exorcise the demon I caused

[kindred osprey]

Nah
I'm here to stay
And I'm gonna take over this Discord as the strongest MK player

[subtle oyster]

You’re so cute Luna

[kindred osprey]

Snake is going to Tekken
There is only you and Tyler in my way...

So like
Everyone

[subtle oyster]

I will also dabble in Tekken but I’ll beat you blindfolded

So that won’t matter

[kindred osprey]

You might as well
I'll show you the Reptile invis buffs

I got some new setups I'm stealing from HoneyBeeCmdr

[subtle oyster]

You not gonna be able to get them off honey

Tyler gonna have to carry if I want shots

[kindred osprey]

You can host as Forever King in KOTH
Otherwise it's gonna be me and Tyler all the time

[subtle oyster]

I was gonna say we don’t even need that feature

Just show respect to Daddy when I win every game

[kindred osprey]

You will respect Daddy Shao when I B2 you to 50%

[subtle oyster]

Lil man shao gonna eat hair balls all game

[kindred osprey]

LMFAO
He had a stroke
That's all

[subtle oyster]

I was supposed to be the drunk one

[kindred osprey]

Just took him the 15th ball to understand what was happening

I'll see if I get some sake to drink as well

Maybe it'll boost my unpredictability

[subtle oyster]

You can’t play this game it’s unsafe for you if you drink after a loss

[subtle oyster]

That’s not possible

[kindred osprey]

Nah
I'm drinking every victory
A reward to my great success

[subtle oyster]

We both gonna be sober as shit

[kindred osprey]

I'll drink in Tyler's vicories too
Guy deserves a party every time he makes Nitara work

[subtle oyster]

I’ll double it if he beats me in a Liu mirror

[kindred osprey]

Ohhhhh
Now I'm gonna learn Liu on the run just to beat you with him

I'll find some gimmick you won't be able to deal with before the 8th shot

[subtle oyster]

Can’t out gimmick fundamentals

Cold calculated fundamentals

343 ping gonna be your best bet

[kindred osprey]

"Fundamentals"
Spamming 6f mid 50/50s

[subtle oyster]

9f mid

I don’t use the 50/50’s

And Sindel hath no nine framer

[kindred osprey]

You better start, since Cyrax can't do it for you anymore

[subtle oyster]

It’s too bad Kano and Lao exist

[kindred osprey]

They won't save you as much
I know what to do now

[subtle oyster]

Might not even play him since you lag switch

I’ll prob just random select and perfect you

😊

I’ll Teebag you

Found Luna’s Reddit account

[kindred osprey]

LMFAO
Nah, I got to GM with only 5 losses
I think 36 wins or smt of the sort

[tough rock]

I'm Batman Geras

[wind hedge]

https://vxtwitter.com/kevinmcolon/status/1717339826121257344?t=Nl_TM4Aw5vVH8_0AK0VEtg&s=19

Man, screw Kenshi, but that was cool

[vague creek]

Sub zero hurts my soulllll

[wind hedge]

You get mixed into death? Or are you playing him?

[vague creek]

Playing him

He's so close to being ideal but they've done some really weird things to him

The damage doesn't bother me much I'll be honest

[wind hedge]

Damn, I haven't played him but I haven't that heard that opinion on him yet

[vague creek]

I understand he's sort of designed to have a lame play style

But he can't even do that right

[vague creek]

I just think his clone and ball are god awful

Also the overhead sucks as well

Other than that, I'm fine with him

[wind hedge]

I've seen clone work a for a lot of people at least it works on me as a preemptive anti air

[vague creek]

You genuinely would get more damage from hitting 4

Safer too

Ex clone is a waste as well

I understand why his damage is low. Because he's got far too many options to steal neutral

[wind hedge]

Hm, I mean he's got the whole "Less damage more tools" thing going on with him right?

Is that a bad thing?

[subtle oyster]

That’s a good one lol

[vague creek]

Nope

The tools just aren't up to par to compensate imo

Ice ball is far too slow to startup, far too slow recovery, and far too slow travel time. Plus you can't really combo into it to warrant the low damage

[subtle oyster]

It’s a secondary projectile to his bf2 which is pretty solid

[vague creek]

Oh yeah

But that doesn't help the "many tools" aspect of his

Why use ball if ice clone charge is better

I love that move but like, come on

Ice clone is similar. Decent start up, not active as long as it should, and far too long recovery. Plus there is an internal cool down after it disappears (which neither player can see)

Again, doesn't warrant the damage scaling when it does hit

[subtle oyster]

Can win projectile trades generally

Or thrown out occasionally to catch them

[vague creek]

No it doesn't... They aren't frozen for long enough. You're lucky to land a slide

Let's assume it's fullscreen because that's where charge doesn't hit

Anything closer, and you shouldn't be using it anyway

And the overhead just reminds me of Anji's Rin before buffs

If you get hit by it, you deserve to get hurt

[wind hedge]

Damn I think it's hard to react to

[vague creek]

Maybe in lag

The network isn't the best I've been through

[subtle oyster]

You will generally get a slide in at full screen which gives great oki for him but I mean Idk what the argument is cause sub is kinda shit

[vague creek]

Yeah. That depends on the trade entirely is what I'm getting at. I hopefully get slide if I'm not hit with anything that knocks me down for too long

Because you're not frozen for long enough for anything else

[subtle oyster]

It’s not always guaranteed I agree

[vague creek]

Because if let's say I can't slide in time, I'm getting a fat punish

[subtle oyster]

True. It’s not a bad projectile for hitting a jumping opponent when mixed with db2 for a full combo (thats scaled pretty heavily)

But I mean sub just needs some help rn

And imo they need to buff scaling on db4, b2, and then the safety and cooldown on klone first

[vague creek]

I'm sort of surprised he got nothing but that weird teleport buff

But it's the first patch so we'll see

But I think he might be the worst character

If not him then maybe nitara

[wind hedge]

Whew more buffs to Nitara

Give her some good frame data please

[subtle oyster]

A lot of people think he’s the worst character in the game

[vague creek]

Which is funny because he's sub zero

I know that sounds bad

[subtle oyster]

Scorpion sucks ass too

[vague creek]

But I've never heard of a bad sub zero

My knowledge goes as far back as mk 9 tho and since then he's always been at least good

Even when he was in injustice

[vague creek]

After this patch? Or was he always baf

[subtle oyster]

Sub is usually pretty decent but was a fucking monster in 11