#Mortal Kombat

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tough rock
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The entire F1 string is the tick

wind hedge
tough rock
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Hell, his pokes are tick throws too

subtle oyster
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Hold up

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Wait a minute

wind hedge
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Nah this character and game somewhat, is a little bit dogshit

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I'm very angry

tough rock
wind hedge
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I'll come back to figuring out the character after I calm down but God I've never been that mad against one character. Minus Shao

subtle oyster
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Embrace top tier

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Top 1 Raiden go brrrrr

tough rock
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That was my whole anti meta thing

subtle oyster
tough rock
wind hedge
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@tough rock with F44 for Liu to punish it he has to be stand blocking on the launcher

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Because pushback and such

subtle oyster
tough rock
wind hedge
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I do

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Because he has a Stryker Kameo

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It hits me in the face

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Also B2 also happens to be Liu's best starter

tough rock
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Sub

wind hedge
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It's just because he uses it to make it safe. Since both micro dash 12 works, micro dash F14 works but other than B2 I haven't found anything else

subtle oyster
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You can maybe like hit him into armor bf4

tough rock
subtle oyster
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Not sure if styker breaks armor or not

tough rock
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First thing I tried lol

subtle oyster
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Stryker is so slept on

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Cyrax meta is annoying

tough rock
subtle oyster
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The only kameo that actually is too OP imo

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I’d rather kameos be strong than weak as shit but cyrax is on another level

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Lao plus 2 could be changed to 0 on block and still be top tier

tough rock
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I can't figure out Jax/Raiden

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Every time I try far back breaker Jax knocks Raiden down

subtle oyster
tough rock
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And in the weird case he doesn't knock Raiden down I can't connect the 4 after F3

subtle oyster
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You won’t have storm cell into cyrax tho so it will still be lots of fun playing

tough rock
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Like the opponent falls too fast

subtle oyster
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I’m ngl I have no experience comboing into Jax I just know it’s not the easiest thing in the world

wind hedge
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I think for Raiden you call him pretty early but like not enough to stop Raiden's animation

tough rock
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Yeah this timing isn't free

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Its not Sub's freeze where you can legit t bag your opponent

wind hedge
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And then you hit him out of Jax's arms do the route, EX do the route end in the move, have Jax grab again

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Using Jax with Smoke ain't as free as I thought

tough rock
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Not as free as Sareena

subtle oyster
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Every kameo launcher is easy except for Jax

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Sometimes Cyrax

tough rock
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Okay maybe its a weekend of Tekken, but my thumbs are killing me after playing 30 minutes of Raiden/Jax

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There's legit a new update

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Went live like 5 minutes ago

subtle oyster
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Oh fuck yeah

tough rock
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Massive W

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Being able to Pin moves in game

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Should've been in the game at launch but oh well

subtle oyster
tough rock
subtle oyster
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I’m ready for the balance patch now that ECT is done

tough rock
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Id be okay if that dropped like right now

subtle oyster
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Gameplay bugs is always good

subtle oyster
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Oh you changed it. Yeah I’d be cool with it

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Literally just cyrax and chip damage needs to be looked at first. The meta will shift after that

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Maybe a couple buffs to sub

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Going all in on specific characters will be detrimental

tough rock
subtle oyster
wind hedge
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Buff Shujinko

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Let him take Reiko projectile

subtle oyster
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Problem is, they got way too much other shit to fix including new content to worry about balance

tough rock
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I really think a small balance patch will drop with Omni man

subtle oyster
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That could be a good time for it

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I’m glad we got a brawler with a projectile parry

tough rock
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One that nerfs cyrax, slightly buffs sub and maybe we'll get the good old fashion -50 hp nerf to Raiden too

subtle oyster
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Mfer is gonna kill with kung lao kameo

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Omni Man^^^

subtle oyster
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Shit has no business at 900

tough rock
subtle oyster
tough rock
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that'd also be a Geras buff and I'm okay with that

subtle oyster
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I swear these guys just roll fucking dice sometimes and are like this character gets X HP this character gets Y HP…

tough rock
subtle oyster
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Except Nitara’s is useless and Geras’s is broken

tough rock
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@subtle oyster they nerfed Geras damage

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Slightly

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The F44 jump 21 then 122+throw combo did %30 an hour ago

subtle oyster
tough rock
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It now does 29%

subtle oyster
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Do storm cell into cyrax on block and see if that’s changed

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I’m bout to leave work and lab shit

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Prob fixed the Sindel infinite before I could make people rage with it😢

tough rock
subtle oyster
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Fuck

tough rock
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Maybe they stealth buffed sub

wind hedge
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Did they buff Darrius recharge time?

tough rock
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No Sub buffs

tough rock
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@wind hedge I'm incredibly convinced they buffed Liu Kang' Db4

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The first juggle launches higher it seems

wind hedge
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Really? Let me be the judge of that real quick

subtle oyster
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They probably just fucked up so much shit on accident

tough rock
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I had the muscle memory down for a tight microdash to connect a Stand 4 and now the dash is coming to early

wind hedge
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Doesn't seem like it

tough rock
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F14 then Dragons Breath, microdash Stand 4 into Flying kick

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I don't have to microdash anymore

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Can take a normal step

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But it if I want the 333 into flying kick i need to dash

subtle oyster
tough rock
wind hedge
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Because if it's what I think you never needed to dash if it's still Liu you're talking about

tough rock
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I'm uploading a clip now

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@wind hedge @subtle oyster

subtle oyster
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Do the 333 instead

tough rock
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Yeah you need to dash

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But the point is you used to have to dash to hit the Stand 4

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You don't have to now

wind hedge
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Isn't that less damage than the 333?

tough rock
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Less damage but easier to hit

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Its one of my wifi warrior combos

wind hedge
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Huh? I never thought dash 333 was hard

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Ah lag

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I got you

tough rock
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I dumb down so many combos when I fight wifi warriors it isn't even funny

wind hedge
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I gave up on the optimal corner combo for now with Liu

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It's easy but I still don't have the timing to land the 4

tough rock
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Holy Fuck

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I think they nerfed the cool down on Sareena's double toss

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Takes about 20 seconds for Sareena to completely charge the kameo bar from using two double tosses

subtle oyster
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@tough rock did you not catch this?

tough rock
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Forward spin does take the whole bar

subtle oyster
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Baraka nerfed

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Johnny prob got the hammer

tough rock
wind hedge
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If Smoke, Liu, or Mei got a buff. Let me know

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Unless 4 just has a fatter hitbox

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I assume the teleport might just not send people as far

subtle oyster
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Raiden nerfed

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I’m bout to check Johnny’s frame data and combo damage

tough rock
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Yeah Raiden got scaled

tough rock
subtle oyster
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Still downloading the patch

tough rock
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+4 and +3

subtle oyster
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😏

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Everyone is fucked

tough rock
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Stand 2 is +4 Stand 21 is -1

subtle oyster
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King Johnny remains

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They never nerf the premier rushdown character

tough rock
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Has F3 always been -5 on block?

subtle oyster
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Idk

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But I can stagger some mfers and prob kill them

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What’s f32

tough rock
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-4

subtle oyster
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Johnny is still cooking😂

tough rock
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F321 is -6

subtle oyster
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To the Lao hat I go

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Shit gonna be plus 2

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Wait check the Lao hat

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I’m bout to get on

tough rock
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Is is

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It is

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Dude Geras F44 is -16 now

subtle oyster
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Lao hat recovery is nerfed

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Prob by double

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Back to Kano I go

tough rock
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That's why I rate characters on base kit

tough rock
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Also, @kindred osprey is gonna have to lab this but Goro.... may not be a bail out anymore

subtle oyster
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If that’s the case Goro kameo is absolute shit

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Bout to check Sindel then I’ll check goro

tough rock
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Luckily Sektor and Sub are seemingly untouched

subtle oyster
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Sareena feels the exact same

tough rock
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They nerfed Goro

subtle oyster
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Sindel feels the same

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Don’t know about the infinite and I don’t care

tough rock
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You can D2 Goro on reaction

subtle oyster
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No you can’t you’re not doing Goro fast enough

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I just labbed it

tough rock
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But maybe I'm not setting it up right

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This is actually the perfect time to play KL

subtle oyster
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I shit you not

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They nerfed sub zero again

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I’m not lying

tough rock
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Like, how?

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Did they add more gaps to his strings lol

subtle oyster
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Okay wait

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It’s confirmed that there could be issues due to server issues as they are trying to fix the PC version

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EX Clone didn’t freeze

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That was the issue

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But it’s a server issue in the interim while they fix shit so no nerf. My apologies

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@kindred osprey I think Mileena damage got nerfed

tough rock
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I just beat a Sindel in a zoning war as Geras

subtle oyster
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I beat beta sub zeros in zoning wars with Johnny and the Kano kameo

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Shit was hilarious

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Scorpion got changed @remote mountain

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Hard to explain but his air combo is easy as shit to do in the air now

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Could be new combo routes or maybe some combo routes changed for better or worse

wind hedge
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I'm crying

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Crying pissing and shitting

remote mountain
subtle oyster
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I’m bout to send you a vid on the combo

wind hedge
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Using Shujinko to tank was super fun

subtle oyster
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Watch how sub flys off after j12

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I do ex air close snag after and it works way easier than before

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I dropped this shit occasionally but I can do this all the time

remote mountain
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I see, tbh i dont see this helping much unfortunately. Atleast power level in general is a lot lower

subtle oyster
wind hedge
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Except Shujinko and Kameo scorpion I don't think anything else changed

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And the Kameo scorpion I can't even explain

subtle oyster
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Plus actually

remote mountain
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and i dont think they nerfed sektor luckily

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but i might look into other charas too like raiden, johnny or geras when i get the time to actually play

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i watched reiko gameplay and realized his strong zoning and playstyle didnt really match me lol

subtle oyster
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I can teach johnny or Sindel

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Sektor prob the move

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Sindel can rushdown or play neutral well

remote mountain
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yea ill have to play against u as johnny soon

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im also waiting on what avirk does with scorp lmao

subtle oyster
remote mountain
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but i hate using it lol

subtle oyster
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I don’t blame you lol

tough rock
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Okay so an hour after I start to learn Raiden he gets nerfed

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Onto another character

subtle oyster
tough rock
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No mommy fetish for me

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Despite the fact ||my wife is 7 years older than me||

subtle oyster
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Everyone and their mother is about to have a pocket Johnny lol

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Well Johnny might be top 1 now

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Or Kenshi

remote mountain
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with how fast they rolled this patch after the tourney i wonder if they expected a rain to win lol

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they mustve sat on this patch for a while

subtle oyster
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But no Johnny nerf I’m surprised there

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However not really cause they don’t ever know how to nerf their “rushdown archetype” character well and they sit at the top of the MK11 tiers

wind hedge
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So Lao got touched right?

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Slight CD nerf?

wind hedge
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Also some bored stuff I was playing with

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One of these days if Lao gets nerfed I'll use Jax for some damage

tough rock
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They nerfed Scorpion kameo too

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RIP Krazy Kameo damage

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Also @subtle oyster I called it

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They stealth dropped a balance update

wind hedge
tough rock
wind hedge
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Don't know why that was in all caps

tough rock
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Also, someone check on SonicFox

wind hedge
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It feels like they took away a fireball. Since the Kameo is "slower" doing a thing

tough rock
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Dude hasn't been hit with nerfs this hard since Erron Black at the end of MKX

subtle oyster
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Idk how I feel about this balance patch

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I think they listened too much to the casual community

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I think a lot of people wanted most every character and kameo to be strong minus chip

wind hedge
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Johnny is still here. So they didn't listen hard enough

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They want everyone doing 50% for like a bar and a Kameo

tough rock
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They targeted the cracked damage and cracked kameos and leveled the playing field

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They also targeted sub too

subtle oyster
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Raiden gets less damage than Liu now

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Raiden isn’t a character that has an easy time opening people up and should do high damage

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He just shouldn’t be able to do stupid ass chip damage

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And probably Sindel now

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And isn’t that far off from Johnny

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RANKED IS FT3 THE DAMAGE SHOULD BE HIGH

wind hedge
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I thought the preferred thing is. Everyone should be able to roughly 3 to 4 tap somewhat

tough rock
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Everyone kinda cam 3 shot

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But two shooting is where the line was drawn

subtle oyster
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40+% ain’t that big of a deal

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If you wanna do 50% with scorpion kameo you should

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You add insane pressure and mind games and CHIP DAMAGE on top of it then that’s an issue

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Raiden Jax shouldn’t be doing 37%

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Hype combos are nerfed for Johnny I think

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I’m fine with that

wind hedge
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Like I wish utility Kameos actually existed

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Shujinko is the closest but because he's cheating

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He has one whole counter, time stop, reversals, anti air etc. But I wish some other Kameos were really useful like that. Especially Sonya

wind hedge
subtle oyster
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I didn’t know how to describe it either just that it leaves him in a different state like that

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It might be a temporary bug

wind hedge
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I hope some of these changes are bugs

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I know Kameo Lao had it's reversal fixed

light wren
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No

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It’s official

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Sorry

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Back to kof

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I see a lot of pros hate this patch cuz kameo nerfs

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Imagine if everything was broken like cyrax assist

wind hedge
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Trip you don't even play KOF

subtle oyster
wind hedge
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I'm interested, I'm not good enough to have an opinion. Mainly because I play more of the character than the Kameo.

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Man, I get this probably won't happen. But why?

subtle oyster
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This is fucking hilarious

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@tough rock

remote mountain
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Apparently Scorpion does less damage now too? 💀💀

subtle oyster
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I have no idea

remote mountain
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its like 1%

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they removed combo routes and slightly reduced damage on him

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no fucking reason lmao

wind hedge
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I think his normal 1 bar route does like 3% less damage according to this one reddit post.

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Something like that

remote mountain
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nerfing a bottom 5 charas damage when all other kameos he used also got nerfed damage wise is so weird

wind hedge
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Here it is

remote mountain
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i can confidently say his damage is his only bonus

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and it wasnt even as bad as other cyrax abusers

light wren
subtle oyster
wind hedge
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One bar as well

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I don't play everyone or anything like that but I don't think anyone else got that high. They get close but normally bottom out at like 380 I thought

remote mountain
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He only gets 40% when its from his mid starter

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but its not hitconfirmable so you have to commit to the high followup

light wren
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Id probably use scorpion in mk1

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He’s cool

remote mountain
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so if they block the first hit they get a guaranteed punish

wind hedge
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Even from their mid starters, I can't name anyone who hits that hard

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Not saying he deserves the nerf or anything. I'm just curious

remote mountain
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Sindel, Kitana, Shao, etc

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those are the ones off the top of my head with 1 bar

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Mileena too i think

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and tbh id argue scorp is worse than all of em personally

wind hedge
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Kitana hits that hard with one bar? That a bit stupid

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I get Sindel, flight cancels and all.

remote mountain
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yeah her routes are very good, her fannado helps extend combos well

wind hedge
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Shao unfortunately just shits out damage I suppose. But I haven't seen many Mileena players use that 40% route. I heard Luna say it was hard

subtle oyster
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Mileena hits hard but I think she got toned down also not sure tho

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Liu gets that damage with Sareena

wind hedge
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Since that's what scorpion was doing

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Midscreen as well

subtle oyster
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Maybe Shao but not 100%

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Liu is close to that

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Sindel needs kameo and it’s not her

wind hedge
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A lot of characters get close but not many break it.

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I'm saying maybe that's why he got touched on the damage

subtle oyster
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He needs some sauce

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Like he needs something bad

remote mountain
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i see

wind hedge
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Like don't get it twisted. Shang gets like 387 or something really high meterless

remote mountain
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also i need to practice mileena too, i wnna see if i can do her combos cause she looks fun too

subtle oyster
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Scorpion already had high top end damage but that doesn’t mean shit if you struggle to open people up

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Raiden did shitloads before the patch

wind hedge
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Scorpion seems to have a shit ton of range to whiff punish though

subtle oyster
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Baraka got a lot with cyrax or jax

subtle oyster
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That’s the problem

wind hedge
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Whenever I wakeup tomorrow I have to see the Shujinko damage buffs

remote mountain
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if u want a whiff punishing chara ashrah or kitana was usually better in that regard

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better staggers too

subtle oyster
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Ashrah is a character that got fat ass damage for nothing also

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She gonna be top 3 prolly now

wind hedge
subtle oyster
light wren
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Damn wtf did they do to this patch assists don’t work 😷

wind hedge
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I need to see if everyone's FB is doing this

subtle oyster
wind hedge
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If she always dealt 570 from that long ass poke I would've lost my mind the second I got hit by it

subtle oyster
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She’s been busted

wind hedge
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So for the range. Yeah that's a lot, but Liu Kang was landing 50% for no bar and Motaro FB starter

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I'm honestly waiting for the 30 minute video explaining why this ruined the game and make it boring

subtle oyster
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The game will be perfectly fine I think

wind hedge
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I understand it might be slightly heavy handed but let's be honest. The top tiers were certainly better than the rest of the roster

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But Johnny escaped

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Ashrah escaped

subtle oyster
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Top 3 might be Kenshi Ashrah Johnny prob

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Anyone wanna play?

subtle oyster
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@wind hedge wanna play?

subtle oyster
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Nobody in this mfer ever wants to play with me

light wren
subtle oyster
vague creek
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Aww I like you bud

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Even tho I won't play you lmao

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Also they didn't buff Sub

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How long until I can play him without thinking

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Thinking hard af

tough rock
wind hedge
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Um, did Kameo scorpion get a damage nerf? My Li Mei combo does the exact same damage with him unless they buffed Li Mei damage at the same time

wind hedge
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Would like to say Nitara gets like 418 from a stand 1 route

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Nevermind that's wrong

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She gets 440 near the corner with one bar

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And apparently 418 anywhere but I can't figure out that one

subtle oyster
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Yeah her 1212 is punishable

kindred osprey
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Maybe I can help?
Smoke is cool af tbh
Idk much tho

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Don't insult me.

wind hedge
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I like that

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Don't think I'll ever reach Deo but Nitara is very fun

kindred osprey
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LMFAOOOOOO
Yeah, I would love to see that

kindred osprey
kindred osprey
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Ok
Read everything

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Mileena really lost dmg?
But like, how much?

tough rock
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If you use kameos for combos, you lost damage

kindred osprey
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And is Goro murdered now?
I have been using Scorp more than him for the DMG

kindred osprey
wind hedge
kindred osprey
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Let's hope Scorp didn't get much scaling
Because I was using a cool 55% combo that I don't wanna lose

wind hedge
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That combo is probably gone

kindred osprey
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Anyone gonna be on in like 2h?

wind hedge
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I'll be here

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Still trying Nitara

kindred osprey
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Kitana if he doesn't

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Lmao

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Lao got nerfed too

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Kameo Lao, I mean

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Recharge on his low hat was increased
Not much tbh, I think he's still top tier
But...

tough rock
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All the balance changes

kindred osprey
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Great!
Will take a look asap

wind hedge
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Honestly this week is Nitara week for me. So it anyone wants to bully me I'll be pretty bad

light wren
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Honestly mk is a great game

kindred osprey
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LMFAO

kindred osprey
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I am not THAT afraid of losing dmg tbh...
I mean, it does hurt a lot
And specially if Goro is now dead

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But like...
If Scorp doesn't give me over 50% anymore, and if Goro doesn't leave me safe on my yolo bs...
Who tf should I use for kameo?

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Prob Lao
Ofc, he is great and all
But still...
Ehhhhhhh

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Shao and Lao are already using Lao Kameo
I didn't want all my chars to use him
Lmao

wind hedge
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Oh one second

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I got the Mileena video

kindred osprey
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I might just learn Sektor

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Oh shit
Many changes?

wind hedge
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Skip like 3 minutes in

kindred osprey
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Shit
Thxxxxx

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Ok
Yeah, that was the combo I was using...

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I mean, the guy still got 54 on a dropped combo
And I was using an unoptimal version for about 55%
Maybe I should just learn the optimal route he was using and do the same dmg

wind hedge
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Can't wait to play against a smoke while I have Shujinko

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I'll go invisible and fly around the screen

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I'll lose myself

kindred osprey
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LMFAOOOOOO

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Just finished cooking
Gonna eat now and then I'll be free

wind hedge
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Alright you mind if I hold a KOTH my one friend would like to play as well

kindred osprey
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REPTILE GOT BUFFS

kindred osprey
wind hedge
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You ready?

kindred osprey
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Nope
Still eating
Lmao

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Gimme like 20 to 30 min

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Need to do dishes as well

wind hedge
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Alright

subtle oyster
subtle oyster
kindred osprey
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Finally

subtle oyster
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Stream it

kindred osprey
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In 5min
Downloading the update

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Lmao

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Forgot there might be an update to download

kindred osprey
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LMAO
Jk jk
I'm trying to stop

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Yo
Obviously unoptimal because of the HUGE recharge time he has
But I was thinking...
Can't I do like 12, Goro, 12, Goro, 12 on block?
Isn't this just like Lao with the semi infinite blockstring due to the plus frames?

kindred osprey
subtle oyster
kindred osprey
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Back to Goro
My previously 55% Scorp combo just dealt 48

wind hedge
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@subtle oyster stream is up

kindred osprey
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Man
That Geras string not being punishable is crime

wind hedge
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Personal I think he's a lot better than I am and it's his 3rd day with Geras but that's because I can't fight Geras to save my life

kindred osprey
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Let's Mileena/Goro

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Lol

subtle oyster
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@kindred osprey Mileena’s 1-2 got buffed and doesn’t whiff

kindred osprey
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YESSSSSSS
I saw that

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Not even buff
Bug fix

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Let's have Tyler's favorite MU

wind hedge
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Man as long as I live I'll probably never beat your Shao

kindred osprey
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Shao is amazing
Love him so much

subtle oyster
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The lizard👀

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Curious to see these buffs in action

kindred osprey
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Reptile doesn't need Sub anymore
His Force Ball got scaling decreased

subtle oyster
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What a cool brutal

kindred osprey
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I could've extended the combo more
But wanted brutal

subtle oyster
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Brutal forever and always

kindred osprey
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Reptile is just so cute

subtle oyster
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I’m gonna critique the shit out of this Kitana gameplay

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😏

wind hedge
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Man, all of Luna's characters are so good

kindred osprey
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Basic zoning and traps only
With abuse of her range

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I get why people like him without the axe

subtle oyster
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Ducking tick throws and punishing into the brutal I couldn’t be more proud

kindred osprey
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Snake got me used to Geras mix ups

tough rock
wind hedge
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I'm without a doubt gonna lose about every game this week

kindred osprey
#

Your friend out?

wind hedge
#

Dude says the lag was a bit too bad for him

kindred osprey
#

Yeah
It was bad

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Playable tho imo
But it was bad

wind hedge
#

So we can go to a normal one after this

kindred osprey
#

Wow
Nitara is annoying
Lmao

subtle oyster
#

Nitara with Shujinko is the definition of Masochism

kindred osprey
#

Loved it tho
Super fun

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I do feel more like Shao today tho

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Shao and Mileena

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I'll have to lab Mileena later tho
Since Scorp isn't the way to go anymore

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Need to pick up my old Goro combos

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The mix ups man
Good shit

#

Didn't fall for that

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Sorry for the Brutalities
Shao is just too fun

wind hedge
#

I don't get how to beat Shao though

subtle oyster
#

Shao’s mix is nuts

kindred osprey
#

It is
Love it

wind hedge
#

He seems really just designed by someone from the 2000s and gave him no weaknesses

subtle oyster
#

Unlucky for you

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Nitara is ass

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And idk if she can capitalize

wind hedge
#

As if

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No fast mid is not a weakness for how much range he has

subtle oyster
#

It is if you hate getting mashed on

wind hedge
#

She's not getting mashed on

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I'm not mashing

subtle oyster
#

I know you’re not

kindred osprey
#

Want Kitana next

wind hedge
#

Man between Geras and Shao being in this game I really feel I shouldn't be here

#

Like I won one game by kinda of luck and then I get prefected and barely can touch Shao

kindred osprey
#

Nitara is kinda gimmicky, no?

subtle oyster
#

She’s kinda low tier

wind hedge
#

I'm never gonna blame the character

#

I think I am really just bad

#

Getting hit with like every bait possible

kindred osprey
#

Scorp giving no pushback on grab is kinda nuts

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SHIT

subtle oyster
#

That high fan is probably kinda nutty in this matchup

kindred osprey
#

The grabs man
I'm mashing 1+3 to escape

wind hedge
#

It is as I'm getting hit with a lot of them

kindred osprey
#

This is not SF
Lnao

subtle oyster
kindred osprey
#

Cool

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Super cool

wind hedge
#

I like whiff punishing a lot with Nitara

#

She does it weirdly well

subtle oyster
#

You’re good at it

kindred osprey
#

Missed doing that

wind hedge
#

Man I don't get Luna

#

She's so good at everything I'm not

#

It's ALMOST comical

#

My FBs never work in neutral

kindred osprey
#

Punish with them
Don't just throw them out

wind hedge
#

I really think my skill level is nowhere near Luna's she definitely drops less combos than I do for sure

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That game didn't count

kindred osprey
#

You have better spacing
And you almost never drop

subtle oyster
#

Lmaooo

kindred osprey
#

You know how to keepaway

subtle oyster
#

The second you say that you win

#

You’re whiff punishing prob the best whiff punish character in the game

#

If you think she’s gonna do the up fan toss after her string then you can prob throw her out of that

wind hedge
#

She has such fantastic block pressure man

kindred osprey
#

Fan-tastic

wind hedge
#

It's like Luna presses buttons, I don't know how to do that

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Since it's a terrible idea everytime when I do it

kindred osprey
#

You're doing pretty well bro
All matches have been pretty close

subtle oyster
#

I have video evidence of this

kindred osprey
#

Wow
Does that kick leave me safe?

subtle oyster
#

The db2?

wind hedge
#

I don't test things, so I have no idea

kindred osprey
#

Yeah

subtle oyster
#

I don’t think so

#

Well maybe

wind hedge
#

I don't know Luna, they don't feel close to me.

kindred osprey
#

It's working

wind hedge
#

I'll probably play 2 more

kindred osprey
#

Nitara struggles with approaching Kitana, right?
I mean, what can she do?

subtle oyster
#

I have no idea

#

That sucks

wind hedge
#

GGs

kindred osprey
#

Doesn't help that you have 850 HP

wind hedge
#

I think every character Luna plays is actually godlike

kindred osprey
#

GGs!!!!!

subtle oyster
kindred osprey
#

Man
I was thinking Kitana had god dmg
Cuz she was EATING your HP bar
But like, the numbers just didn't seem to match how much dmg she did

subtle oyster
subtle oyster
kindred osprey
#

But that's the point
I was doing like 40%, but the numbers said like 330 dmg
And I honestly thought it was a bug
But then I noticed Tyler has 850

subtle oyster
#

I don’t think you were doing the optimals

kindred osprey
#

I wasn't

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Which is why I was confused

subtle oyster
#

The one time you got close it said like 36 or 37%

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So I don’t think it’s bugged

wind hedge
#

To be honest I feel I might not even have the skill to play the characters I'd want too.

subtle oyster
#

Yes you do

#

This is your first day on this character

wind hedge
#

Compared to Luna and her characters, the Geras that was in here, the KL players

#

My characters don't have that level of understanding other then like Liu

kindred osprey
subtle oyster
#

Idk what Nitara would punish with

wind hedge
#

Dash F1 probably

kindred osprey
#

I mean, it is a knowledge check and I should get away with it pretty often in KL

wind hedge
#

Or just sweep

subtle oyster
wind hedge
#

Then probably nothing

#

Unless the Kameo works

#

I don't mean sweep, I mean the low hitting move she has

subtle oyster
#

You can’t do f1 ex bf2?

wind hedge
#

It felt real hard to get close enough to do F1 when I was playing. F1 isn't the fastest mid in the game

subtle oyster
#

Might be able to dash up jab

kindred osprey
#

Yo
How do people get so many koins?
For the Shrine
I kinda wanted to get all of the shrine before season changes

#

And I see people on Reddit with like 500000 koins saying they don't know where to spend
I never had more than 10000

wind hedge
#

It didn't feel like it would work when I tried it. Also Luna went over me most of the time.

subtle oyster
subtle oyster
kindred osprey
#

Guess so

#

KL, here we go

wind hedge
#

Man I just don't get Geras.

#

His mid starter the chest bump

#

What do you do about that?

subtle oyster
#

He can tick off the chest bump or tick of the second hit of the string

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So if he’s cmd grabbing you off the chest bump the duck after blocking the first hit and punish him for 40%

#

If he has a tendency to do it off the second hit of the string then duck and punish that

wind hedge
#

I get that

kindred osprey
#

Just got 0-3'd by a Havik
I kept trying to do Scorp combos with Goro...

wind hedge
#

I mean if he let's the whole thing rock

#

He's safe as hell isn't he

subtle oyster
#

I think you can punish

kindred osprey
#

0-3'd by a Sub

#

Ok...
Maybe it's not time for KL
Two 0-3s back to back is tough

#

And they weren't even good
I just did shit
Forgot how to play with Goro

#

Ok
I just 2-0'd a Johnny/Kano who OBVIOUSLY didn't know how to live without Cyrax

subtle oyster
#

Some of these Johnny’s gonna struggle

tough rock
#

Anyone playing MK?

kindred osprey
#

I ammmmmm
But just got into a ranked set

tough rock
#

Gonna get the rust off Geras

kindred osprey
#

Lets beat that Demi God

#

Sindel

subtle oyster
#

My love

tough rock
#

Mine

subtle oyster
tough rock
subtle oyster
#

I hate it

kindred osprey
#

Mileena is the best

tough rock
wind hedge
#

I like Nitara but why the hell is everyone so incredible at this game

#

I go to fight the Geras we were playing against earlier and I just get mixed like every godamn time in MIDSCREEN

tough rock
#

Friend of yours?

wind hedge
#

He is

tough rock
subtle oyster
wind hedge
#

Man it's fine, I'll record the set as ass as I am in.

tough rock
kindred osprey
#

OK
Snake wants to fight?

tough rock
#

Yeah

kindred osprey
#

3-0'd that Sindel
I have no idea how she was in Demi God

#

Creating

#

Almost got my combo

#

Oof

#

Geras DAMAGE

tough rock
#

The tick mixup is goated

kindred osprey
#

It is

#

DAMAGE

#

GORO DIDN'T SAVE ME

#

Smashed

wind hedge
tough rock
kindred osprey
#

My combos without Scorp are weird

subtle oyster
kindred osprey
#

My execution isn't there

wind hedge
#

The only reason I'd personally want to use Lao is because she can confirm off of her armored reversal with a teleport

subtle oyster
wind hedge
#

Is the flame thrower safe on block or is it plus? I always forget

subtle oyster
#

Might wanna lab that

#

Plus I think

wind hedge
#

When I get done eating I will

tough rock
#

Time to actually use a kameo

kindred osprey
#

Time for Shao

#

Raiden
Wow

#

Hehe

#

WTF

#

Whyyyyyy
Wtf

#

Why did my FB do 280?

tough rock
#

@kindred osprey got absolutely bamboozled

kindred osprey
#

LMFAO

wind hedge
#

I want one more set before I get off the game for the day if anyone wants to

kindred osprey
#

You delaying your wake up?

#

I can't hit any meaties

tough rock
#

Not all the time

kindred osprey
#

Is my timing just off?

#

Ohhhhhgh
Ok then

tough rock
#

I'm neutral ducking a lot more

kindred osprey
#

Now it nakes sense

#

Shao is cool af

#

Yo
Last one

wind hedge
#

I'm going to assume being unable to call a Kameo during Nitara's throw is a bug

#

If not that kind of suck

tough rock
#

I really hate Reptile

#

Legit unfun to fight against

kindred osprey
#

DROP

#

Ok
Now last one

#

Lol

kindred osprey
#

Ok
GGs!!!!

tough rock
kindred osprey
#

Reptile needs work tbh
Not used to his force ball combos

#

And the invis nerf is sad af

subtle oyster
#

Reptile is a good zoner tbh

tough rock
#

I copied and pasted this but Reptile's kit has.

Low starter that doesn't require you to shimmy
Overhead that launches when held
Mid projectile that launches on normal hit that is tough to jump

Instant teleport air whiff punish,
A low profile long range slide
A full screen FB that can somewhat low profile
Meterless launchers
An anti armor Stand 3
The best D2 in the game
Can turn invisible

subtle oyster
#

This is the longest list of patch notes I’ve ever seen in my life

#

@tough rock

IMG_1097.png
#

@kindred osprey

IMG_1099.png IMG_1098.png
#

Liu didn’t get touched at all

wind hedge
#

Lame

subtle oyster
#

He didn’t need to be touched he’s perfect

tough rock
# subtle oyster <@315006978088894466>

Shattered Sands legit does 1% less damage in my BnB combo and does 4% less now.

And history lesson interruption is a Kung Lao teleport shenanigans that let Geras get over 60%. I'm okay with these

wind hedge
#

Top 16?

subtle oyster
wind hedge
#

It was Xombat and Wize right?

subtle oyster
#

Yeah

#

There were like 10 characters represented in top 10

#

Not many kameos tho

#

Considering they nerfed the people above Liu, he won this patch. Might be top 5

#

Johnny Kenshi and Liu are big winners of this patch I think

wind hedge
#

Liu is always in A tier and got no changes. I'm curious why he would be in top 5

kindred osprey
subtle oyster
#

It’s mainly to adjust her 55% combos she got with scorpion kameo

kindred osprey
#

Yeah, most probably
I'll learn her optimal combos tho
I just HATE doing Ex Teleport into super delayed 22 into 12 on the ground

#

I only hit that like 30% of the times I try

tough rock
#

My new top 5 is Kenshi, Johnny, Raiden, Ashrah and Liu Kang

kindred osprey
#

No Reptile?

tough rock
#

My top 10 would be

  1. Kenshi
  2. Johnny
  3. Raiden
  4. Ashrah
  5. Liu Kang
  6. Mileena
    7.Geras
  7. Rain
  8. Kitana
  9. Reptile
kindred osprey
#

Wow
Rain and Kitana so high with no Reiko?

#

Id actually agree with that tho
Seems like a good list
Shao is actually strong too imo

#

Ofc, I am biased

subtle oyster
#

Idk if Raiden is still up there

#

Reiko is easily top 10

#

Reptile bottom 6 I think

subtle oyster
#

Sonic and Xombat had Ashrah above Johnny

#

If she didn’t get touched then she’s still above Johnny

#

Ashrah got buffed

#

She’s easily 1 or 2

wind hedge
subtle oyster
#

She does a casual 45% off a full screen poke and has more plus frames than the entire cast minus Johnny

#

45.5% excuse me

#

Her best kameos didn’t get touched

kindred osprey
#

Can't wait for next season
Invasions is fun, I miss it

subtle oyster
#

I want Omni man and more kameos

wind hedge
#

It's the era

#

I'm gonna be a Liu and Nitara player

subtle oyster
#

Cheating on Li Mei so quick when Megan Fox comes

wind hedge
#

She's definitely still there

#

I'm happy to have 3 characters I actually really like

#

Even though only one of them is traditionally good

subtle oyster
#

I imagine Nitara is fun to play

wind hedge
#

She's so very fun

subtle oyster
#

She’s bottom tier with Sub and Scorpion and prolly Reptile but I don’t think she’s so bad that you’re not gonna have fun

#

The air dashes and shit by themselves make for a fun and unique playstyle

#

I started playing Sindel cause I thought the levitate was really cool and now I love her

wind hedge
#

The BS I ended up putting together

#

Don't think anyone is likely to fall for it.

#

@subtle oyster like I think the low one is likely. The overhead really is not

#

@tough rock Can Geras use his sand clone move. The EX one where he makes clone that copies his inputs. Can he use that one to make himself safe on moves that are unsafe?

#

Like the low launcher

subtle oyster
wind hedge
#

It's 28 frames

subtle oyster
#

If a rocket is flying at my head I’m probably blocking

#

That’s the point of the rocket

#

You can also do the overhead in your block pressure

#

Or the low

#

You do the overhead into the air dash and now you can do j2 and either hit confirm into 1212 or mix with the low or overhead

wind hedge
#

Spending one bar for mix. I don't use it often since it costs something

#

The B2 into air dash

subtle oyster
#

It can work occasionally

#

The triple overhead will catch people

#

Sindel gotta spend meter for pressure. It sucks sometimes but it’s worth it

#

If you can find a decent meterless followup on it then you’ve essentially spent one bar for one combo that wouldn’t have otherwise hit

wind hedge
#

I'd @ snake too for the Geras stuff but eh

#

Forgive me for sending it before I asked as well

subtle oyster
#

Being defensive is okay and actually preferred than being a monke or button masher, but if someone down 1’s you, you need to hit buttons immediately

wind hedge
#

I mean other than D1 what exactly am I supposed to mash?

#

I know D1 beats blocked D1 but with Nitara I don't exactly know what to press after that.

subtle oyster
#

1-2 stagger into a 1212 hit confirm 40% combo

wind hedge
#

See I've had a decent number of times they just press D1 again

#

So 1 misses

tough rock
wind hedge
#

In that YouTube video I sent he did somewhere in there

subtle oyster
#

If you have a fast enough mid, it will beat both jab or down 1. This is why I’m telling you about good/fast mids earlier

wind hedge
#

Her mid I think is like 10 frames or 12?

#

I'm not playing but I can check later

subtle oyster
#

12 would be perfect

#

That’s part of the reason why you struggle with pressure

#

Beating button mash is one of the first things you should figure out with your character

wind hedge
#

I just assumed it was too slow

subtle oyster
#

Down 1 is -8 and has 7 frame startup so as long as it’s faster than 15

wind hedge
#

Wait wait wait

#

Frame data is something I always struggle with

#

You mean -8 on block?

#

Or minus 8 or hit?

subtle oyster
#

On block

wind hedge
#

Okay

#

So why would the punishing move need to be 15 or under?

#

That's why I'm confused about it.

subtle oyster
#

Okay:

#

You block their down 1

kindred osprey
subtle oyster
#

Now you’re at an 8 frame advantage

#

Their fastest button is 7 frames which is another down 1 or jab

#

So

#

If you have a 14 frame mid, it will beat all their buttons

wind hedge
#

Okay okay

subtle oyster
#

Because it will take 15 frames for the second down 1 to come out on block

wind hedge
#

But this only after I block theirs? Not like after I press D1 to punish their D1?

subtle oyster
#

If you punish their down 1 with a down 1 then you can especially press whatever you want after because they are minus even more

#

You are gonna be really plus on hit

wind hedge
#

Okay

subtle oyster
#

In high ping it’s gonna be hard to pull off

#

You might be a few frames late

wind hedge
#

Yeah I've had that happen before

subtle oyster
#

So even with a 14 frame mid, you’re cutting it close

#

Which is why I would try to lab multiple options

#

Especially a way to whiff punish their down 1 into a full combo

#

Because this will also help in your pressure

wind hedge
#

So

#

Nitara has 1 PLUS MOVE ON BLOCK

#

With is S4

#

Everything else is like -6 is something

subtle oyster
#

That’s good. But even if a stagger is slightly minus, it could be super good

#

-6 is kinda tough

#

I know her frame data is kinda shit

wind hedge
#

Her S1 is -6

#

That's kinda arse

subtle oyster
#

What’s 12

wind hedge
#

Also -6

subtle oyster
#

Lol

#

However,

#

This shit might still work

#

Not against a bot that hits frame perfect buttons

#

But maybe a person who presses late because you caught them off guard

#

So what you need to do

wind hedge
#

F1 is 11 frame start up

subtle oyster
#

That’s a great mid

#

Can you combo off that

wind hedge
#

One sec

subtle oyster
#

Preferably something you can hit confirm

wind hedge
#

S1 is -3 12 is -7

wind hedge
#

It's what I use for my whiff punish tool

subtle oyster
#

S1 is your go to stagger

#

And you can whiff punish people if they down 1 you often with a back dash

#

Into the mid

subtle oyster
wind hedge
#

Yeah S2 is -6 and 22 are -6

kindred osprey
#

SHITTTTT
Got a new Mileena combo consistent

subtle oyster
#

Her frame data is so ass

kindred osprey
#

397 for 1 bar
No kameos

#

Optimal Mileena 1 bar without Kameos is 410
But like...
It's too hard for me

subtle oyster
kindred osprey
#

Yes.

subtle oyster
#

That should be adequate then

kindred osprey
#

I could end in a second ball roll
F4 gives 29 frame advantage
Ball roll 22

subtle oyster
#

Nearly 40% with good oki

kindred osprey
#

A bit more dmg, but like...
Harder to do

subtle oyster
#

End in f4

#

So you can f4 them again on wakeup and break armor

#

Or at least have time to do it and make it a threat

kindred osprey
#

F4 is 19 frames
If I have 22 advantage, I can do it normally, no?

#

Ending on air teleport gives me 26...

#

But 387 dmg
A bit less
Not worth it

subtle oyster
#

F4 is optimal ender for damage and oki

#

Yeah you can do whatever you want to them if you end in f4

#

Mix the shit out of them

#

Make out with them and fondle them too if you want but you can do it off f4

wind hedge
subtle oyster
#

It’s annoying as absolute fuck to be on the receiving end of Mileena’s oki

subtle oyster
#

Actually

#

They definitely won’t after a stand 1

#

I’m hitting you out of that if you’re not mixing your offense but I doubt anyone else will

wind hedge
#

Like don't get it twisted, she can 1212 cancel the 3rd hit into DB2 and then EX air dash for a mix

#

Or just 123 or 4 for a kick that's -3 on block

#

And it'll catch a mash

subtle oyster
#

Or if Luna just says fuck you with Shao and does 2-2 into a 40% combo

wind hedge
#

Shao really should be deleted right next to Geras

#

The game wouldn't be missing much

subtle oyster
#

Kenshi*

wind hedge
#

Nah stealing sento is hilarious

#

Sento combo go crazy on other characters

subtle oyster
#

Sento can go to hell

wind hedge
#

Stealing sento should be what Shujinko always has

#

And timestop

subtle oyster
#

I would throw the controller through the fucking wall

subtle oyster
#

Wait yeah you are

#

Nvm

wind hedge
#

So if you try to do that. You'll get hit if you're too close

subtle oyster
wind hedge
#

Otherwise backdash is rough but possible

#

Since it's F1 but BF1 is an input

subtle oyster
#

That’s the reason why Lao hat is important for her because it changes her frame data from negative ass to +2

kindred osprey
subtle oyster
wind hedge
#

I'll be there local Nitara scrub I suppose

kindred osprey
#

Man
I did some long ass combo after air ball, like
Ball roll, j. 122, Teleport
And simply F4 had better dmg and oki

wind hedge
#

In that video I sent. The whole YouTube video.

#

I feel I still don't have a good hand on my spacing against someone walking back

#

I landed 2 combed FBs so that cool

kindred osprey
#

I wanna lab Shao more
I need to learn his pressure and stuff without the axe
What I understand is that he plays slowly and focuses on the range when he has the axe
But without it, he goes HAM and starts spamming low/overhead mix ups

#

I wanna do that

subtle oyster
#

He’s an asshole without the axe

#

Lab his instant overhead launcher

#

The combo

wind hedge
#

If you get good with Shao I'll duck you very hard

#

Just like Rait

subtle oyster
#

Lmfao

kindred osprey
#

LMAOOOOO

wind hedge
#

Nah if that Geras player wasn't telling me it's fun to fight against me I would be ducking him as well

subtle oyster
#

Sindel shuts his 2 stagger right the fuck down

#

I like fighting against you Tyler but you never want to fight ):

wind hedge
#

Man, I'll fight until I blow up then I need step away for a few hours

#

Some characters aggravate me more than others

#

Shao, Geras, and Kenshi

#

For example

#

And Sub

subtle oyster
#

Fair point

kindred osprey
#

I'll never see Cyrax the same after MK1

#

I didn't use to have anything against him
Hell, I played lots of Triborg in X

wind hedge
#

I like the game, my opinion on my skill fluxes up and down

kindred osprey
#

Now...
If I see that yellow fuck, I'm fatalitying.

wind hedge
#

If it wasn't 20 minutes long I'd really like to watch that video in a VC and ask specific questions about Geras stuff

kindred osprey
#

Ok
So how tf do jump ins work?
I'm labbing Shao and Mileena
And I just noticed...
I can do j. 2 into 22 with Shao SUPER consistently
j. 2 into B2 works, but I have to hit them when I'm almost on the ground
But NEVER hit j. 2 into 12

#

Mileena too
I hit j. 2 into 21
But NEVER into 12

#

Do jump buttons only combo into their standing variables?
Like, if I hit a j. 2 I can only combo into St2, B2, F2, D2 and whatever has a 2 as a starter?

wind hedge
kindred osprey
#

OMFG
FORGET WHAT I SAID
I JUST LEARNED

#

YOU HAVE TO BUFFER
I have to press the 12 BEFORE Shao even hits the fucking j. 2

tough rock
#

Not safe in the slightest

wind hedge
#

One of these times I hit him but the clone doesn't go anywhere so I get hit anyways

kindred osprey
#

Ok
So...
The challenges are CRAZY
I have to do 25 fatalities

#

Does it work in Private?

wind hedge
#

Can't you just go ahead and farm XP while doing the fatalities?

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That's what I would end up doing. Just uppercut on that one fight

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Or shit, any fight early on

kindred osprey
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OH
INVASIONS

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You're a genius
Was doing it on Kasuals

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LMAO

wind hedge
wind hedge
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Watching Deo play on stream from 2 weeks ago.

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Brother is dooming and I feel it. He likes Shujinko just because he actually gives him a mid

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Even Ninjakilla said he might need to drop the character because bro is struggling to fight the meta

kindred osprey
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Your idea was great
Thank you so much

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Why doesn't Scorp have the scar in the eye?
Makes no sense at all

tough rock
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Played a friend for 2 hours straight

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Won 27-4

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Got some good secondary practice in ngl

kindred osprey