Mortal Kombat

[kindred osprey]

Now I'm happy with him

[wind hedge]

You even got the foxy set up

[kindred osprey]

Hehe

[subtle oyster]

The foxy setup is sick

[kindred osprey]

I was watching him

[wind hedge]

Luna is God

It's the simple

[kindred osprey]

Wow
This round made me SWEAT

[subtle oyster]

Bruh that last round was nuts

[kindred osprey]

I can't armor f3, right?

2 hits

[subtle oyster]

His f4 string will break armor if timed correctly

[wind hedge]

Man Luna has the stagger pressure of Evo contestants

[kindred osprey]

I love that Dive Kick

[subtle oyster]

Kung Lao’s 1-2 is plus he got pretty good stagger pressure and she mixing it well

I think dash back 2 will punish the dive kick

[wind hedge]

I stand by that Luna is a lot better than I am at MK

[kindred osprey]

GOT IT

[wind hedge]

Like you see that game? She's cracked

[subtle oyster]

Clutch combo

[wind hedge]

I'll probably go one or two more and debate how I feel

[kindred osprey]

You're just as great

[subtle oyster]

You’re doing fine bro you’re looking solid

[kindred osprey]

Already got my habits

[subtle oyster]

@kindred osprey if you do his amplified launcher on block then do a jump kick instead to make him anti air instead of the j2

[wind hedge]

Like go once more

I'll*

[kindred osprey]

I did it on accident

2 tiems

[wind hedge]

Forward 4

[subtle oyster]

I know but you can save yourself in the future and turn a punish combo into pressure

[wind hedge]

Well I can't apparently block

GGs

[kindred osprey]

GGs!!!!!!
Super fun games

I felt like we were evenly matched tbh

[wind hedge]

Personally I think her Lao is better than my Liu she has mix-ups and pretty consistent combos

[subtle oyster]

The Lao is looking nice. First time I’m seeing you not rely too much on armor

[subtle oyster]

It looked even to me

[wind hedge]

Also if you ask why I kept trying to teleport it's because that like DP for jump ins most of the times

[kindred osprey]

I don't think so tbh
You got the mids and the pressure
That shit is HARD to counter

[wind hedge]

But I guess dive kicks are different

[kindred osprey]

Yup
I was doing different timings to fuck up your AAs
That were TOO consistent for my liking

[subtle oyster]

You’re looking good with the Lao kameo bro

[wind hedge]

You played KOF and played SF what do you mean too consistent?

[kindred osprey]

And thxxxxx
Reptile doesn't that much either
And even Mileena I am trying out Jax kameo

I've seen a 50% combo with just 1 bar and 1 kameo with Jax
Plus the HP bonus

[subtle oyster]

@kindred osprey you did a really good job mixing your jump ins with empty jump throw also

I wanna do match reviews lol those were so fun to watch

[kindred osprey]

But TOO inconsistent
The combo is hard af to hit
And if I'm not doing it on practice, on a match it'd be asking for death

[kindred osprey]

Then again
Tyler was doing AAs too well
I just NEEDED to fuck with that and condition him to stop and block

[wind hedge]

I still gotta figure out what to do with him in neutral

[kindred osprey]

Otherwise I wouldn't be able to approach as Lao

[wind hedge]

I might edit I today, I don't know yet. If you think it was a good set I'll do it I guess

I also landed the combo I learned today which is neat

[subtle oyster]

I think your neutral is fine. And you blocked a lot of dive kicks and used f4. The low fireball is tricky to use in this matchup because of that

[subtle oyster]

You hit confirm into that kameo really well. His amp back forward 3 combo is tough

If you played like that against that Johnny player it would have been a landslide in your favor

[kindred osprey]

Welp
I am excited to fight Tyler again after that
Super good game
Fun af

[subtle oyster]

That was a great set

[kindred osprey]

Back to ranked

Mileena needs to eat some brains

[wind hedge]

Man I just play Liu Kang like Ryu man. Anti airs and shit

Which is the only reason why I think I can land the teleport anti air so well

The jump in spacing is pretty similar to SF if not the literal same

[kindred osprey]

I am HORRIBLE at AAs

My reaction times are kinda shit

[subtle oyster]

Sindel has dog shit anti airs unfortunately😔

I was hella impressed with your Liu Kang special move anti airs ngl

You have all the shit to play this character well you just gotta put it all together

[wind hedge]

Play Ryu you'll get them

My ass can DP and TENSHO KICKS like no other

Also editing the video I take it back. I won more than I thought

[subtle oyster]

You won a lot give yourself credit

[kindred osprey]

He is my best secondary
I just...
Don't like AAing

[kindred osprey]

You did!
I just did flashier wins, I guess

Style points

Lmao

[wind hedge]

Luna come on. You're not gonna tell me that hearing Chun Li yelling Tensho kicks isn't dopamine enough to always go for AAs

[subtle oyster]

I can give some tips on some of those matches if you guys want

[wind hedge]

I'm gonna upload it regardless

I'd appreciate tips, I'm gonna assume Luna would as well but I suppose ask her first

[kindred osprey]

The Tensho Kicks not even THAT much
Dopamine from AAs I get when I hit Marisa's Charged 2Hp into Sparta Kick into Lv3 for 60% dmg

[subtle oyster]

Anti airing into the combo conversion in this game is dopamine

[kindred osprey]

And then proceed to say her AAs are shit

[subtle oyster]

Some characters have it easy like Johnny while others are struggling a bit

[kindred osprey]

I'm always open to criticism!
I wanna get good at that shit

[wind hedge]

I forgot I play the poor characters in SF6. Tensho kicks is like my favorite DP

[kindred osprey]

Chun is not exactly poor
I'd say she's like A tier, alongside Marisa

Not an S tier
But not a B either

[wind hedge]

Nah she got on the better side as more people saw how good she actually is

[subtle oyster]

JP is low tier it’s only cause JP players are better than everyone else😌

[wind hedge]

I still can't believe my ass looked at the SF roster and said "Yeah Ryu is my MAN"

Instead of picking a cool character

[subtle oyster]

Then proceeded to pick the MK equivalent of Ryu lol

[wind hedge]

FUCKING EXACTLY

That's why it's so funny

[subtle oyster]

But Liu has some sauce tho

But it is really funny

[wind hedge]

I picked Mario in smash TWICE essentially

While in KOF I picked the characters farthest from basic

[subtle oyster]

People were like this JP guy is an NRS character in SF 6 so I was like 😍😍😍 REALLY?! Then I pissed all of the street fighter players off by using him

[wind hedge]

https://vxtwitter.com/HenTy56/status/1668336872626561024?t=ActcfXDPmUyN6hUiQ3gd2g&s=19

No contrary to what everyone says, Ryu has drip combos

I am never going to top this in a game of SF probably

Also this video is fucking 40 minutes

[kindred osprey]

The Jimmy combo

[subtle oyster]

We should do an MK team tourney

[wind hedge]

YEAH It's great

[tough rock]

Meta characters and kameos banned

[subtle oyster]

I’m fine with that

Let Tyler and Luna run Lao kameo tho

[kindred osprey]

If I can choose, I choose Goro tho

[subtle oyster]

😒

[kindred osprey]

Jimmy is so amazing
I learned A LOT by watching him and his replay analysis

[tough rock]

Top 5 characters banned are Kenshi, Raiden Baraka, Ashrah and Johnny.

Banned kameos are: Cyrax, Lao, Sareena undoubtedly. Maybe Frost and..... Jax?

[kindred osprey]

I got new combos with him
And I'm trying to approach better without relying on Goro on neutral

[tough rock]

Idk top 5 kameos aside from the meta 3

[kindred osprey]

Wait
Frost? I thought she was shit with everyone but Kenshi

[subtle oyster]

Cyrax is meta and Lao is insanely good. Aside from that there isn’t really meta

[tough rock]

I don't honestly know lol.

[subtle oyster]

I just kid lol

[wind hedge]

I need to rely more on Kameo neutral

[subtle oyster]

Top 5 kameos is too much imo. I’m fine if you wanna take away top 5 kameos for me but if Tyler is running honest Liu Kang he should get Lao kameo

Top 5 kameo gonna be Cyrax Lao Sareena Goro and probably Sektor or Jax

[tough rock]

Okay screw it Lao unbanned

Sareena and Cyrax banned

Along with meta

[kindred osprey]

I can run Shao with Motaro if Goro is out

[wind hedge]

Hey everyone. Should I chop this video into two 20 minute videos or keep it as one 40 minute one?

[kindred osprey]

It's proving to be super good to me

[subtle oyster]

Probably post the second 20 minute one

Let’s just do this

[kindred osprey]

I was thinking about doing it like Oliver and go post smt on Reddit to see if more people join us

[subtle oyster]

Everyone use whatever they want and I’ll just not use Johnny Rax or Sareena

[tough rock]

And I don't main Meta anyway so I'm not effected at all

[kindred osprey]

I'd be completely in
The last Kof and SF tourneys were a failure

[subtle oyster]

Sindel is bottom 4 but I can adapt with a new kameo

[kindred osprey]

Pick Shao.

[subtle oyster]

Sindel is queen mommy

[kindred osprey]

I'll pick Sindel seriously at some point

Idk how to feel about Ashrah and Smoke
I am doing pretty well with them, but like...
Idk, I don't exactly see them as mains

Lao...
I wanna make him a main
I'm a loyalist
I mained him in 11 and played him A LOT in 9

[subtle oyster]

Lao is solid

[kindred osprey]

And fun af to play

[tough rock]

I gotta try more people eventually

[wind hedge]

Nitra?

[tough rock]

I haven't seriously tried characters like Reiko, Shao, Tanya, Ashrah, Nitara Smoke and a few others

[kindred osprey]

Pick Reptile.
Make your wife happy

Lol

[subtle oyster]

Maybe I’ll learn Shang

[kindred osprey]

I like Shang
But I haven't bought him
Didn't like the gameplay

[tough rock]

She's possessive of her white bois lol

[kindred osprey]

LMAO

Pick Shao
Super fun
Nothing better than wake up Ex Knee and 30% people

[tough rock]

Isn't that like all he has?

[subtle oyster]

50/50’s

[tough rock]

But all those 50/50 eventually lead to ex knee then another ex for a pop-up right?

[kindred osprey]

Honestly, I feel super at home with Shao
He has good 50/50s, depending on the Kameo they can be deadly
And brute dmg

[kindred osprey]

Just one Ex
The Ex knee comboes into normal axe drop for the rest of the combo

[subtle oyster]

Just one EX knee into his down forward 4

[kindred osprey]

But yeah
Every combo goes for that, since it's his biggest dmg

[tough rock]

But I got a few ideas on who to use. Perhaps my wife's least favorite character... or someone I've been meaning to lab

[kindred osprey]

Hm...
Nitara?

[tough rock]

For my wife's least favorite? No

Actually for both. No

[kindred osprey]

Reiko?

[tough rock]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-bunny-no-nope-nou-gif-14651222

[kindred osprey]

Shit...
Scorp?

[tough rock]

I'll tell you my wife's least favorite

A white girl with a ||Big ass and fans||

[kindred osprey]

Yours is Goro, for sure

[subtle oyster]

Goro is a piece of shit

Four armed fuck

[tough rock]

Goro actually isn't my least favorite kameo. Sareena is

[subtle oyster]

I have no idea why either

[kindred osprey]

Y'all for SURE hate Sheeva

[subtle oyster]

If Kotal Kahn wanted to commit genocide against the Shokan I’d like him more

[kindred osprey]

Ehhhhhh
Kitana...
She's so meh in Mk1

I do wanna learn her tho at some point

[tough rock]

Goro just let's you get away with unsafe, yolo attacks and actually hurts you when trying to learn the game.

Sareena turns literally a stand 1 jab into a 30% 12 second long combo

[tough rock]

Literally zoned my wife out with Kitana for 2 matches and she now had a deep hatred for her

[subtle oyster]

Sareena adds 2% damage to a combo and provides little to no utility for most characters outside of that

[kindred osprey]

Reasons why Mileena isn't the only char I play
Goro is too addictive

[kindred osprey]

Show her Rain.

[tough rock]

Sareena let's me hit 45% with liu Kang off a F4 or 37% with a stand 1.

Doesn't matter what type of utility she does or doesn't have. She has full screen lock down and leads to death on hit

[subtle oyster]

He already hits 40%+ off a f4 so if you wanna blow all your kameo bar on an additional 2% per kameo bar then go for it

He does like 35% off a stand 1 too like I’m not seeing the utility

No plus frames no ambush assists no combos off throws but an additional 2%. The bullshit is when she catches you in neutral with it and can do more damage on that

[kindred osprey]

Sareena is a combo extender
That's basically all she does
But she does it WELL

I tend to sometimes use Frost instead of her, because I like Frost as a char
But the dmg isn't nearly as gold

[subtle oyster]

Idk if there’s a single character in the game whose optimal kameo is Sareena

Potentially Sindel or Ashrah

[kindred osprey]

Reptile

At least, I haven't found anyone better

[subtle oyster]

Scorpion and Sub are great for him

@kindred osprey this is the guy you wanna watch for Reptile tech

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UtNDngiKFik

[kindred osprey]

Scorp is also a combo extender, which is actually cool tbh
Does give him combos out of St. 3, but...
Sareena gives the Invis setups

[kindred osprey]

I am subscribed already
Lmao

[kindred osprey]

Sub really is great
Cuz he does the same extenders as Sareena, but also the utility of anti zoning

But I figured Reptile can already teleport and has tools against zoning
So the better dmg with Sareena is just better

[subtle oyster]

His tele isn’t all that reliable but it’s an option on a read for sure

[kindred osprey]

Ah, yes, ofc

But I thought the dmg was more valuable

[subtle oyster]

His zoning becomes so much more oppressive with the sub kameo but sareenas forward kameo single sickle throw is good for him to mix up in zoning also

[kindred osprey]

Plus
I've seen some people do Reptile's F32 to keep the opponent in place and Sareena eats their bar while they get the invis
Seems super good too, since you'll be invisible and the opponent won't breaker your combo

OH
Important mention is Sektor
I've seen some cool Reptile/Sektor setups with the F32, invis into Sektor missile to make them truly guess between the high and low without chance of fucking up the invis or interrupting you

Also
Tele punch into Force Ball for full screen combo

[subtle oyster]

Sektor has a lot of cool setups and isn’t used as much cause of the yellow robot

[kindred osprey]

I think F32 also comboes into Cyrax net, so...
One more use for Cyrax

When is Cyrax getting murdered?

Along with Omni Man and Season 2?

[subtle oyster]

Omni man coming in November

[kindred osprey]

OH
True
Right

Who's buying him?

He does seem fun
I like the big guys with the heavy fists and big dmg like Shao

[subtle oyster]

I’m gonna play him

Not the train I wanted to run on Kitana but I’m gonna run a train on kitana

[kindred osprey]

LMAO

His fatalities look cool af

And he's STYLISH
I might watch Invincible

[subtle oyster]

It’s pretty damn good

Makes me wanna rewatch it

[kindred osprey]

I never did
Nor The Boys
So I'm not REALLY excited

[subtle oyster]

I’ve never seen the boys but I’d watch Omni man

If I were you

Season 1 is quick

[kindred osprey]

I'm just lazy
Lol
Plus, it's too early
1 week before his launch in MK, I'll just binge it all

Lmao

I'll get too anxious if I see it now and like it too much

[subtle oyster]

Yes you will

Especially when you realize every single move oh his is a reference to the show

[kindred osprey]

Yeah, I've recognized some
Plus, I think they confirmed the memes will be there

[wind hedge]

His ass

We talking about Omni man right?

[subtle oyster]

We are in fact talking about Omni Man

[wind hedge]

Yeah his comical ass

I'm not interested in playing him but I'll probably buy the season pass for Kameo's

I'm the only interested in Quan but I'm alright with that

[subtle oyster]

I already know this mfer with the Lao hat is gonna be unstoppable

But I’m gonna play him if he sucks anyways

[wind hedge]

I enjoyed invincible

But I'm not too interested in playing Omni Man

[kindred osprey]

Wait
I hadn't thought about the kameos
Will they be sold separately?
Or do I HAVE to buy Omni for Tremor?

[wind hedge]

I hope homelander plays like an asshole though

[subtle oyster]

I’m finally glad we got a projectile party

[subtle oyster]

Should be separate

Or you can get the whole pack

[kindred osprey]

I hope Tremor has smt different
Cuz he does seem like a combo extender

[subtle oyster]

They showed two extensions it looks like

[kindred osprey]

Yup
I mean, that is cool
But like...
We got plenty of combo extenders already tbh

[wind hedge]

No one uses the other Kameos though

[subtle oyster]

I agree I’d prefer other shit

[wind hedge]

I love Darrius but like other than Reiko how many people use him

[kindred osprey]

I want a Sindel kameo
That lets me fly through the screen

[subtle oyster]

He’s super niche

[wind hedge]

Exactly, he adds high low but like no one uses him

[kindred osprey]

I've seen some Mileena/Darrius combos for like 50%
But like...

Darrius recharges way too slow
Only twice a round is too little

[wind hedge]

Shujinko, Motaro, and Sonya are here.

Sonya gets used but like how often? When scorpion is here

[kindred osprey]

Exactly
Sonya is cool, but Scorp does the same and better

[subtle oyster]

Sonya might be the worst kameo in the game

Actually she is

[kindred osprey]

I want Frost to be better
She is actually my fav
Lmao

[wind hedge]

See what I mean?

A balance patch might help but who knows

They might nerf all Kameos

[subtle oyster]

A balance patch will help yeah but that doesn’t mean that every kameo will have synergy with any main

I bet I can make frost work with Sindel

[kindred osprey]

Ah yes, ofc
That is impossible
But like, with Sareena and Sub, there is NO REASON to pick Frost rn

Kenshi has one, because of the high low mix ups

But like...
Just him

[wind hedge]

Tanya does to charge her teleport

She can use either freeze Kameo

[subtle oyster]

Frost has fun setups

[wind hedge]

Also I think the orb is a really neat premise

DBFZ proves tracking orbs are a pain in the ass to deal with

[kindred osprey]

Too slow tho
And doesn't exactly go too far

[subtle oyster]

I can make it work

[wind hedge]

Slow orbs are the good ones Luna

They make people panic normally and at worse they block it.

https://youtu.be/6a54sgyYvFI?si=svth7OEt3HU4qgaV

Here is part one

[kindred osprey]

Not the orb itself, Frost
She takes a whole fucking minute to even throw out the orb

[wind hedge]

It has copyrighted music but it's here

[kindred osprey]

I'll actually watch that later

[wind hedge]

Let me know if the mixing is bad I always worry about it.

[subtle oyster]

@wind hedge what’s going on with these bicycle kicks around 26-32 seconds

[wind hedge]

Damn the bot picked a great thumbnail

[wind hedge]

If you ever see random kicks like that. It's because I still hold back when I block. Then I'm trying to F4 for my kicks

I never want those kicks

[subtle oyster]

That’s what I assumed

What you may want to try to do is experiment with the input timing setting

Maybe change it from long to short

And see if that helps

Test it with your bnb’s in practice mode and if you hit them fine maybe give it a shot for a bit

[wind hedge]

Like my Liu is consistent with a lot of things minus BF3

It's weird

[subtle oyster]

Input it instant after 333. Like don’t hesitate to input it

Just let it all flow

Not like a link

Idk what this song is on here but I’m digging it

[wind hedge]

Give a timestamp and I got the name

[subtle oyster]

At 4:00

[wind hedge]

https://youtu.be/inp2IyRxv1o?si=Iq-ITl5vmUKWtmRs

@subtle oyster

[subtle oyster]

I like the beat

I didn’t even catch the mario laugh lmao

Watched all of part 1 and have notes. I’ll give you guys the feedback when I get home

[wind hedge]

Alright hell yeah

[subtle oyster]

I can watch part 2

Bruh this bot loves the Lao fatal blow lmao

[tough rock]

@wind hedge @kindred osprey
Either of you still on?

[kindred osprey]

Not rn
On Kof
It's been too long

[wind hedge]

Gotham knights is free so I'm here

[kindred osprey]

Welp
I am back
Y'all playing?

Thank god I bought MK1
I am so pissed rn
My brother decided not to pay for his PS+ this month and I can't play online on his account
LMFAO

No Melty...
No Gotham Knights...
Back to MK

[tough rock]

I'm still on @kindred osprey

[kindred osprey]

Great!
Let's see how Lao does

AH
I have a rant about Lao
There is one thing I fucking HATE about him...

Why tf is his hat toss BF1 instead of BF2?
It's ALWAYS BEEN BF2
DB1 too, for the straight one. IT USED TO BE DB2 FOR THE LOW HAT

Now if I do the specials with 2 instead of 1, I get the punches and the hit grab.
That are both super punishable

[tough rock]

My one complaint with Lao is they made his spin DU3

Its been df1 since forever

Or down back 1

[kindred osprey]

Yessssssss
Also

Wtf did they decide to do with his cmds?

[tough rock]

@kindred osprey we playing?

[kindred osprey]

Already invited you

[tough rock]

I got nothing

[kindred osprey]

Canceling
Will do again

[tough rock]

Been doing the shrine for like 10 mimutes

Got Yakuza Kenshi

[kindred osprey]

LMAO
That shit is SO SLOW

[tough rock]

There we go

[kindred osprey]

Just noticed I might've invited someone else

[tough rock]

Lol

[kindred osprey]

And Mileena!!!!!

LMAOOOOOOOO

I was SURE you'd go for F4

Your Mileena is GREAT

[tough rock]

The no mixup mixup

[kindred osprey]

Yup

Luck.

I need to farm invasions with Lao
I hate seeing Lv0 mastery

[tough rock]

Lao's Fatal being 2 hits is nice

[wind hedge]

It also being a lot and a mid is something I wish I had on Liu

It's also fast as hell

[kindred osprey]

I DROPPED

I need to learn the MU

[tough rock]

Man I almost jumped that

[kindred osprey]

Regret now?

Lmao

[tough rock]

No

[kindred osprey]

LOL

FAN - TASTIC

LMFAOOOOOOOOO

[tough rock]

That pun was more surprising than the brutality

[kindred osprey]

I take back what I said
Kitana does have a personality

[subtle oyster]

She always has that pun

It’s a great pun

[kindred osprey]

It is

[subtle oyster]

She said it in the last game she just emphasizes it more in this one

[kindred osprey]

She seems fun tho
Wanna learn her

[subtle oyster]

She is fun

I quite like her

Would actually be a great character to learn some fundamentals ngl

[kindred osprey]

I need to
Gimme bnbs

[subtle oyster]

Her combos are easy as shit until you start doing some more of the wild shit with the kameos

[kindred osprey]

MOTARO

Lmao

That didn't kill me

[tough rock]

You took 0 damage from that fireball

[kindred osprey]

The BUG

[tough rock]

How many times can you whiff a fatal blow?

Like I thought there was a cool down like in 11?

[kindred osprey]

@wind hedge
I think I discovered the grayscale bug we had

It's caused by the Motaro Fatal Blow

If you interrupt it, it bugs

[tough rock]

Motaro's teleport gives you armor and hit advantage?

[kindred osprey]

Yes.

[subtle oyster]

It shouldn’t. That reminds me to lab that

We gotta be fucking something up on the punish

[kindred osprey]

Slow Fatal Blow

[tough rock]

I completely forgot kameos have brutalities and fatalities

[kindred osprey]

He's SO CUTEEEEEE

[tough rock]

Time to find out how cracked this is

[kindred osprey]

I hate Raiden.

He's probably the char in MK I hate the most

Yooooo
Last match

GGs!!!!!

My dad wanyed to see the Goro fatality

Lmao

[tough rock]

You really try a fatality lol?

[kindred osprey]

Lmao
Dad is a Goro fan

Thx for the games!
Super fun
I'll be back later

[tough rock]

Let me know of you get back on. Wife stepson just came back and he wants to play

[kindred osprey]

Yeah, I'm playing with my dad too
Lmao

[wind hedge]

Alright alright, has anyone seen what Liu Kang BF3 looks like on whiff?

It looks like the stanky leg and now whenever stuff loops with that I'm gonna start calling it stank loops

[subtle oyster]

Lmao yeah lol

[subtle oyster]

I can learn Nitara against him in like 20

[wind hedge]

Man I want some other Liu outfits man

[kindred osprey]

I'd love to have his zombie form from Deadly Alliance

[wind hedge]

He has what I consider drip loops without a Kameo. Now give him some gold or something around his neck

[subtle oyster]

@kindred osprey @wind hedge I’ll give you guys the notes in a bit

[wind hedge]

Neat, I hope the music wasn't terrible that you were listening to

[subtle oyster]

I liked it

[wind hedge]

Great, always nervous about that

Honestly, Liu Kang really is just my best fit for a character

His vibe is cool, has cool combos, and is a God

[wind hedge]

I probably have like 30 minutes for games. Does anyone want to?

[tough rock]

My stepson is playing if you're down

[wind hedge]

Yeah sure

Is he great?

Them youngins be crazy on the sticks

[tough rock]

This is the one Fighting game my wife beats him at

[wind hedge]

Ah I see

Let me see if I have your name

I just gotta friend y'all

[tough rock]

Did I just hear Megan Fox

[wind hedge]

Yeah

I want to replace her voice with dogs barking

[tough rock]

Didn't know he played Nitara

[wind hedge]

How do you actually beat Nitara?

He kicked my ass

[tough rock]

Idk

@wind hedge son walked away lol

Wanna fight me or my wife?

[wind hedge]

Sure I got like 2 to 3 games left

It's weird to anti air Nitara

This game is my last

But is everyone in your house cracked at MK?

[tough rock]

Imma step in real quick

Cracked? No

[wind hedge]

Alright GGs

[tough rock]

Man I am legit out of practice with Geras

[wind hedge]

It be like that

[tough rock]

Ggs

[tough rock]

Cracked? No, but they know a few things

[wind hedge]

It's the neutral jump throw. It's my omega weakness

But GGs to them as well

[tough rock]

I've been personally using that against them for like 7 years across multiple different fighting games.

If there's one thing they've learned is neutral jump throws work more than they should lol

[wind hedge]

Still trying to figure out what to do with 22 being plus 3 and 12 being 0 on block

[kindred osprey]

I'd press with 22
Probable use the 12 after it
And if they block it too...
Backdash and 22 to whiff punish

[wind hedge]

At that point it would be back dash B4

That's minus 4 I think

[subtle oyster]

One of my notes was to get more comfortable with 2-2 lol

if you do 2-2 or even raw 2 into a back dash while the opponent is going to try to down 1 you, their down 1 will whiff and you can get a combo

Sorry im cutting clips of the stuff to show my points and its taking longer than I thought

[wind hedge]

Ah there isn't much of a rush to be honest

[kindred osprey]

Wow
Thank you SO MUCH for all the work to help us!
Oliver murderer sensei!

[subtle oyster]

Should I order a burger or asian food?

[kindred osprey]

I hate asian food.
My vote is on burger

[wind hedge]

I vote Asian food

[kindred osprey]

Snake tier breaker

[wind hedge]

My friends tell me Sasuke is not just 95% edge only because I haven't gotten there yet. But man he's just edge. You could fucking chop up a pineapple with his personality

[tough rock]

Why not both?

[kindred osprey]

LMAO
Finished the Classic yet?

[wind hedge]

Yeah I'm at like 52 of Shippuden

[kindred osprey]

He is my fav char
Sasuke, Orochimaru and the Hyuugas tbh

[wind hedge]

Which is the start of Shippuden

This fucker is just edgy

[kindred osprey]

You know his reasons cmon
The guy has plausible reasons

[wind hedge]

Nah, he spent 2 years sharpening his damn edge. I felt for him in base Naruto

Less here, he's just edgy

[kindred osprey]

He'll get better
People evolve

[wind hedge]

That's what they tell me

[kindred osprey]

I think all of it is very well justified
He has all the reasons to be like that
Hell, I'd have gone full Gaara if I were him

Destroy that shit and kill everyone

Yo
I forgot, you buying Storm Connections?

Feeling like I'll play it alone
Lmao

[wind hedge]

I'm not

[subtle oyster]

@wind hedge @kindred osprey i'm going to start off with general stuff and move to more specific stuff. You guys have a lot of potential and you did more good stuff than bad stuff. In general, you guys are complete inverses of each other. The theme of today was basically Luna GIVING the game and Tyler just not taking it so there is a lot of room for growth in both of you. I'll explain this a bit later and I know this is day 1 for Lao Kameo and Day 1 for Luna with Lao so no worries there. Also neither one of you utilized the Lao kameo in pressure or zoning so i'll show you how to fix that too.

Tyler, i'm starting with you then i'm gonna go pick up a cheeseburger and finish with Luna

@wind hedge In general, you are playing very well and pretty clean which is exactly how you need to play Liu. Your anti-airs are honestly god like and you're getting conversions off them which is pretty crazy rn. The problem i'm seeing is you're leaving a bit too much damage on the table but that is completely okay right now. We need to work on hit confirms a little bit and a few other things but you're sooo close to playing really really well. I can tell that you're more comfortable with Lao kameo because your successful hit confirms off f4 were probably at about 25% against that Johnny player while today was probably about 70% of the time. If you played that guy like you did today you would have won the vast majority of those matches. If you want to play Liu at a high level, that needs to be 95% of the time you are converting a full combo of a f4 that connected. The reason is Liu has no mix so the hits you do string together need to hurt while your projectiles add up the rest of the damage of the health bar. Liu is a very good character but everything needs to be clean to get consistent wins.

Here is a video to show that:

https://streamable.com/88vj7z

You could have hit her for 40% and now she's one touch into fatal blow. You're way closer than you think on a lot of these. I dont even care about the initial combo drop cause you usually hit those, i'm talking about the second confirm

This next vid serves multiple purposes: to practice punishes, also get used to his alternate route off f4 when you have no kameo meter, and then last how to close out the round like this with Liu

https://streamable.com/ywsfav

The game is right there again. This is a constant theme in this. Like a couple corrections and you're dominating.

https://streamable.com/scm6r2

Same thing here which is why you need to main him a bit and keep an eye on your kameo meter

[kindred osprey]

I'll be here and super happy!
Thank you SO MUCH again

I'd like to add that Lao is not exactly my main rn
And while I do want him to be in the future, I just didn't exactly know what to do with him
LMAO

I'm watching the clips now and I'm seeing how scrubby some stuff I did actually are

[subtle oyster]

@wind hedge But regarding the end of this video, there are multiple times that you throw out low fireball when it comes to the end of the round. Low fireball is very risky and is susceptible to jump ins and dive kicks which she was doing 1000 times. Back dash throw high fireball and see if you can bait a whiff punish or dive kick for the W. You don't have to anti-air Lao's dive kick. You can simply block and punish.

[kindred osprey]

I abused dive kick

That shit isn't even safe

LMFAO

[subtle oyster]

Yeah i'ma get to that

[kindred osprey]

It's fine
Sorry, go on teacher

[subtle oyster]

No you're fine lmao

I don't think you throw high fireball enough tbh. Like you don't have to spam it but it's so fast that you can check them with it occasionally to make them respect you and to bait whiff punishes and jumps just like ryu in SF

@wind hedge Regarding your stagger pressure, you have a tendency to fixate on one specific stagger in a block sequence

https://streamable.com/yo8we7

You have 1, 1-2, 2, 2-2, b2, b1, b1-4, f4, f4-3 off the top of my head but generally in a block sequence you fixate on just one and do it a few times in a row. You wanna mix those up and keep them on their toes.

Also, you don't throw out raw F4 enough to mix them up on Liu's most important string. I think you did it maybe 1 or 2 times in the entire set.

Here is a vid of you doing it for what might have been the first time

https://streamable.com/8xolbl

[kindred osprey]

Really?
I felt so scared of it the whole set
That's the double kick, right?

It fucked up my armor on the first game like 2 or 3 times

[subtle oyster]

Literally eventhough its the same string, she wasnt sure when to press and pressed late when you were minus. Your instincts told you that she was going to press so you down 1'd and retook pressure. Then you did the entire f434 string and hit her again

[kindred osprey]

So I didn't armor much the rest of the set

[subtle oyster]

Look at 4-7 seconds. Within this string there is f4, f43, and f434. He did f43 a lot this set and he couldnt press much afterwards because you were poking him out of the stagger. At 4 seconds he does f4 and eventhough he's minus here he beat your d1 significantly because you have been conditioned off f43

Then he retook pressure and did f434 and you got hit again because he mixed up the string

So my point is, mix f4, f43, and f434 because you'll catch them pressing when they shouldnt and you will get them to press late to retake pressure, get whiff punishes, etc.

Tyler rarely did raw f4 in his stagger pressure

[kindred osprey]

AH
Ok, that makes A LOT of sense
I do that all the time with Lao 21, 212, 2121

[subtle oyster]

Yes. And I can show you better shit if you have the Lao kameo tbh

With Liu, you have to mix them with mids and mids. In the long run, he will make you better at the game because you will learn how to condition people eventually

@wind hedge Last, and due to time, i'm not going to connect the video on this but by watching you, I figured out why that last dragon kick to end combos doesnt come out and its because you're not doing it fast enough. Literally just hit back forward directly after the 333. Don't wait for the animation. It will feel weird at first but practice it, you have to dial it in not link it. Work on this and get the timing because it's killing your oki which is more important than the damage.

That sums up the gist of it I feel but other than that, you were in position to take a shit ton of these games

If it would be helpful to run some Liu mirrors for fun and we can work off each other

I'd love to do that

These dive kicks are also punishable as hell so in this Shaolin Monks rematch you can bait these puppies and punish. Don;t really wanna get in your head cause your anti airs are god like rn but just a thing to think about in the future

I hope any of this helps and lemme know if you have some questions on stuff

[kindred osprey]

That's smt I miss with Mileena tbh
I feel like her strings are mostly 2 buttons
I mean, it's ALWAYS :
12, Low sai or 12, 1+3 for the overhead
F232 or F23 Ball if I confirm
F144 Goro or F144 Ball if I confirm

Just doing raw St1, F1 or F2 feels...
Kinda bad? Specially since St1 and F2 are high and F1 is minus
Am I wrong?

[subtle oyster]

it's okay if it's minus as long as you don't do it every time and they expect it. F1 is good but don't do it every time you pressure. There are also mind games you can play with it I think. I can send you a seperate Mileena vid. For example, he was minus after f4 in the vid and his poke won. Secondly, if you condition them with f1 a couple times then proceed to do f133 and they press then you just combo'd them

You can also whiff punish their down 1 poke attempt after a f1. This is the video I was gonna send.

[kindred osprey]

Plz do
Cuz my Mileena needs a lot of work...

[subtle oyster]

Mileena is also spaced very well after 1-2. She's in prime position for a whiff punish if you back dash it. They can't really press anything after. You can try it in practice mode yourself and see

I know you understand this concept because i've seen you do this

[kindred osprey]

I do that all the time, but like...
Where is the mix?
It works and since her combos do like 40% each, I can win games doing just that
But then again, I feel like I need more

[subtle oyster]

Do you watch anyone play Mileena?

[kindred osprey]

Not regularly
I've watched some random videos when I searched "High Level Mileena Gameplay" on YT

But not exactly follow anyone like I follow the HoneyBeeCmdr for Reptile

[subtle oyster]

Do you have twitch?

[kindred osprey]

I do, but I almost never use it

[subtle oyster]

Theres a guy who mains her with Goro. He mainly hosts tournaments but sometimes he will play high level people with her

I havent seen him on youtube

[kindred osprey]

Name?

[subtle oyster]

MF$layer

He gets a lot of whiff punishes with ball roll and is a pest

I know a tourney player who'se name is DexyDawg who uses her with Sareena

He's cracked af so he doesnt need Goro if he made a bad read cause he's almost always right on his ball roll

[kindred osprey]

https://youtu.be/89-1DvO56kY?si=eSKOm5Nbcq6yHjZF

I watched this one
And it inspired me on picking Jax
But I'm still inconsistent with the Jax combos

If I do CONSISTENT 50% combos, I'll say fuck Goro
Lmao

[subtle oyster]

Her jab string goes a mile and is great for punishes

What I was gonna tell you is commit to trying to play neutral instead of relying too much on ball roll, teleport, Lao's dive kick etc

You HAVE THE ABILITY to do it, you just dont believe in yourseld and you're not giving yourself chances at it

[kindred osprey]

Yeah
Reasons why I kinda want to drop Goro for now

[subtle oyster]

I’d think that could be a good idea for a bit

You’re still getting reps with the character

[kindred osprey]

I just wanna get my Jax combos more consistent before that
Cuz I'm only hitting them like...
30% of the time
Lmao

It's HIDEOUS how bad I am at calling him on the right time

I'll try to crop the combos I want and send here

[subtle oyster]

He’s the hardest one to time lmao

You should be doing 40+% WITHOUT ANY KAMEO with her

[kindred osprey]

Sonya also gives cool combos, but...
Eh, Jax does more dmg, has an unblockable and more HP

[subtle oyster]

She probably has the best base meterless damage in the game

[kindred osprey]

He did a 60% with 1 kameo and 1 bar

No fatal blow

I NEED that kind of dmg

[subtle oyster]

Mileena also got the best overhead in the game on oki

[kindred osprey]

Oh yes
I love f4 so much

[subtle oyster]

It breaks armor so you just say fuck you and mix them to death

[kindred osprey]

Love that

[subtle oyster]

Honestly you could prob run her with Lao kameo and it would be disgusting

[kindred osprey]

Maybe
I've seen some cool spin combos

We should do some sets again
Just gimme 1 or 2 more days for me to practice my combos
I also got a new meterless kameoless combo that I'm working on

AH
And I DO follow a Mileena player
Not exactly HIGH level tho
Losty is struggling in God Rank, I think

But I like her so much
She's just so fun
Lol

[subtle oyster]

She’s a great person and I like watching her also but she’s not high level

God rank isn’t hard to get to either. You can get there I know it

[kindred osprey]

I don't really pay attention to what she's doing

[subtle oyster]

She kinda yolo like you😂

[kindred osprey]

LMAO
Yes.

I kinda wanna stop that

I think SF is my best game atm exactly because I don't yolo so much there in comparison to Kof and MK

[subtle oyster]

I think Sareena kameo is money for you rn

[kindred osprey]

I feel more solid there
So I wanna be like that in Mk too

[kindred osprey]

Maybe
It is easier than Jax
But you know me...
I'm stubborn
I just need a bit more practice with him

I only labbed him for like 1h

Not enough for me to even understand wtf am I supposed to do

Actually...
Now that I think about it
Imma lab him more today

Fuck sleeping

I don't need it.

[subtle oyster]

The combos dont matter. You need a kameo to help you out in neutral. You feel like you have to get in via ball roll with Mileena, dive kick with Lao, and teleport with Shao Motaro cause you feel like you have to

If you felt comfortable in neutral then it would be no biggie

Sareena will help there

[wind hedge]

Thanks for the tips, one day I'll have to stream or if you're comfortable with being in a VC go over it.

[subtle oyster]

Lao kameo especailly helps there

[wind hedge]

Mainly the pressure sequences

[subtle oyster]

VC is the best way to learn

i'm down

[wind hedge]

Today I literally grabbed the F4 F43 F4 from a video just because I was like "Ah that looks like hell to block"

Pretty much right after my set with Luna

Also, it's just a condition for me to teleport on jumps. I gotta do it less because the hit box is big but not almighty. Snake's wife and step son got around it because I was doing it slightly too late

Where it was at the tip of they jump kick so it just hits me anyways

Also Nitara, she's hard to do it to

[kindred osprey]

Exactly
By not having a safe ball roll and teleport, I'd be forced to actually learn neutral and how to approach
Meaning combo extender kameos are the way to go, specially if they make me only have to win the neutral like 2 times

[subtle oyster]

Bro there is so much information to take in that you're not gonna grasp that. Once you play a bunch of MK then the game will slow down and you will be like "my opponent does this a lot so i'm gonna punish them for it"

[subtle oyster]

Meaning kameos that will make you feel more comfortable in neutral are the way to go especially when Mileena gets 40+%

[wind hedge]

Meant to ask BTW. It's pretty obvious clearly and shit. But like is the 22% or whatever it is a good reward for an anti air?

[subtle oyster]

that's great yeah. it depends per character but the damage scales a lot

the ones you were doing were really good

[wind hedge]

Alright, I'll keep them on lock

[subtle oyster]

People don't usually start getting consistent anti air conversions into long combos until higher rank but you're naturally good at them

[wind hedge]

It literally is just an anti air DP into 333 BF3

[subtle oyster]

it literally is yeah

[kindred osprey]

You think?
I feel like I might just rely on them too much just like I rely on Goro
If they have nothing for me to actually depend on...
I feel like I'll learn how to live without them

[wind hedge]

This is the mentality that I have. And now I gotta learn how to use Lao in neutral

I always felt Liu Kang doesn't need a Kameo for stuff like that so I never use it.

[subtle oyster]

Think about our matches Sindel vs Shao. You had no tools to help you

[kindred osprey]

I'll be back to Goro at some point
When I learn how not to depend on him

I like the yolo randomness
And the char itself

[kindred osprey]

And I felt like I had to work for my approach, which is exactly what made me learn better how not to jump 6 times in a row and eat 6 hair balls in a row

LMAO

[subtle oyster]

But you had to rely on Motaro instead of having something to lean on in a fireball war

[kindred osprey]

Dash blocking still feels weird to me in MK...
I'm more used to it in SF

[wind hedge]

Dash blocking is simple and my ass never uses it.

[kindred osprey]

I should probably just have approached your Sindel like I approach Guile in SF
Walk a bit and block, until you're in the corner
Where I wanna keep you

But I panicked and did shit instead

[subtle oyster]

You don't HAVE to approach it like Guile. That's making it really hard on yourself

I fucking hate Guile and I don't want that

[kindred osprey]

Ah, ofc
But like, Shao doesn't really have anything other than the Gief approach of "just walk there... Menacingly"

I'd probably have done different with Mileena

[subtle oyster]

Welcome to a world of kameos (:

Shao does now

[kindred osprey]

Speaking of him
Motaro is really THAT good?
I feel like I'm robbing people

Teleport SHOULDN'T keep me so safe

Lao teleport doesn't

Lmao

[wind hedge]

His teleport is SO much better than Lao

[subtle oyster]

I feel like the teleport is bullshit and I need to lab that

but it's better than Lao's

[wind hedge]

Only thing with Lao is you get a jump in off of it when you charge it

[kindred osprey]

Yeah
It feels... Fake

[subtle oyster]

His tele gives him combos off his overhead

[wind hedge]

But like Motaro is much faster and safer

[kindred osprey]

But like
It's working 90% of the time
Including against you, that's probably the best player I fought

[wind hedge]

Give Motaro F Kamero call the same launch arc as spin

[subtle oyster]

I mean I punched Motaro in the face for a punish on my jab string but got hit by Shao somehow so i'm saying I need to lab it cause I wanna figure out what exactly happened

i think if I would have tried to punish with a different button or string I would have hit both shao and motaro

[kindred osprey]

Yeah
This happens a lot
I also noticed people punching Motaro
Motaro stops his animation and goes away
But Shao just armors through it and TELEPORTS ANYWAY

LMFAO

And punishes people for hit confirming
Since they actually did hit Motaro

[subtle oyster]

@kindred osprey I deadass think Lao with Lao kameo can suit you

[kindred osprey]

I will run them

For now it's
Mileena/Goro or Jax
Shao/Motaro
Reptile/Combo Extender

Lao/Lao

Smoke/Scorp

[subtle oyster]

Lao/Lao is super fitting for you

And gives you a ton of pressure

And gives you the best projectile in the game

And can even let you yolo SAFELY

[kindred osprey]

I'll lab Shang later too
I like him a lot
And Quan when he comes out

[wind hedge]

I'll figure out how to use Lao in neutral

Fun fact, Cyrax and Liu Kang is a lot of chip of damage

[subtle oyster]

The kameo or the character?

[wind hedge]

Kameo

[kindred osprey]

Just hold the low hat and yolo safe.

[subtle oyster]

For Liu, just throw the lao hats like projectiles. It's literally better than your low fireball and safer

You don't need to set it up like Luna does for her overhead

[wind hedge]

Very fair

Makes total sense

[kindred osprey]

Turn off your brain and bycicle kick the shit out of them
Safely

[subtle oyster]

For Liu, using it in your pressure is incredibly important

[kindred osprey]

I actually just saw Foxy doing it and tried to copy

[wind hedge]

Liu doesn't many unsafe special cancelable moves though

[subtle oyster]

yeah everyone started doing it after him. honestly super impressed with your execution of it this fast

[kindred osprey]

I'm like Kakashi
I like stealing tech and copying stuff
Not exactly discovering them myself

[wind hedge]

It's +2 I get it

[subtle oyster]

the hat leaves him plus 2.

yeah

[wind hedge]

I'm still learning what to do with frames being plus and even on block in this game

[subtle oyster]

Same honestly. But I lab some shit myseld

[subtle oyster]

that's gonna take time

[kindred osprey]

Even the bnb, the Ex launcher into j2 and the rest of the combo
I never did it before my set with Tyler

I just saw it in a video and tried to copy

[wind hedge]

Damn am I the only one who just free styles it?

[subtle oyster]

and part of that is explained in the messages I sent to you

[subtle oyster]

No

[wind hedge]

Yeah I'm still learning which buttons are good to back dash off

F4 is not one

[subtle oyster]

and that's totally fine

Back 2

his back 2 as a whiff punish is great

so I can show you in a video later

[wind hedge]

Yeah I like B2 as a punish but I fall short pretty often since I'm so far away

My ass is out here learning only the basics since Liu Kang is natural as hell for me. The second I learn MK stuff I'll be ready to shit on ranked

[subtle oyster]

Some of this is more advanced than you think

But you're doing a lot of shit really well

[wind hedge]

For real?

[subtle oyster]

some of these anti airs are honestly fucking stupid lol I was laughing cause I wouldnt have done a lot of these

@kindred osprey It's your turn now. In general, you are a good player with a lot of potential. You did an amazing job of picking the character up pretty quickly and adapting but you have an obvious tendency of playing way too risky and giving the game away. There are some things you need to clean up with the character specifically but I can help you with that and never expected that to be there fully in your first few matches. I think Lao can potentially be your best character and has the right mix of pressure, neutral control, and yolo WITHIN REASON that fits you but it's not the dive kicks.

So first, i'll start with the obvious, you dive kicked a million times and you know this. Not only that, you dive kick and are punishable at times WHEN YOU'RE ABOUT TO WIN THE GAME. This is what I mean by you're giving the game away. First video:

https://streamable.com/qne6nv

The game was even and you have plenty of tools to win a fireball war with him including low hat. But you got incredibly lucky that you did not get punished. This is almost the equivalent of DP'ing in someones face in street fighter. I kept the clip rolling to the end because eventhough you didn't use your brain there (; you still clutched it and it's not easy. But still, you should have lost this.

This next clip has multiple teaching points here

[kindred osprey]

I call that PANICK
I have no idea what to do and just do the most unhinged stuff I can think of
In hopes Tyler doesn't punish

[subtle oyster]

@kindred osprey you have a commanding life lead here in addition to the round AND THREE FUCKING BARS OF METER. This is the best position you can possibly be in but you managed to make an unlosable situation into a situation where you actually should have lost.

https://streamable.com/tx2h1i

If you have the life lead in addition to three bars. Sit there and play defense. He doesnt have overheads to mix you withm just be patient and don't be afraid of the throw. First thing you do is you decide to armor

Now you have no breaker

[kindred osprey]

PANICK
I was desperate for a hit

Any hit

[subtle oyster]

To make it worse

not only did you give away your armor but you said "i hate winning" and dive kicked in his face lol and got punished. The third mistake is absolutely the mistake that concerns me the most about your MK career

at 17 seconds. I warned you about this when we played

you have a tendency to press after every blocked down 1 no matter what character you play

and this is what happens or at least is what is supposed to happen when you do this

you got combo'd for mashing. Now, the point stands from earlier with @wind hedge that he missed some hit confirms. If he would have got the combo here, you lose all momentum and likely the round

[kindred osprey]

Yes...
I need to calm down and breathe when I'm getting pressured
I actually don't really know how to escape pressure

[wind hedge]

Neither do I

My ass will EX armor just to get out of dodge

[kindred osprey]

Like, I kinda feel like Tyler could just keep pressing mids and I'd just be chipped to death
Your Johnny chipped me to death on our first matches
Now I know to armor through it, but like...
Liu fucked up my armor too many times

[subtle oyster]

@kindred osprey i had so many times in the game written down of this that I had to stop keeping track. You are currently averaging 1-2 combos per ROUND of getting opened up by this

[subtle oyster]

Don't worry about my Johnny. Johnny is a whole different beast

Theres literally Johnny pressure and then everyone else

[subtle oyster]

You get out of it with a down 1 BUT if they block your down 1 then you sit there and hold block cause he's about to F4 your ass again

To put this in perspective. This is the first thing, the very first thing I look for in a character is how easy is it to punish down 1 mash

MK11 Liu Kang was the king of this so guess who I played in that game

[kindred osprey]

AH
I just gotta press and then block if I don't hit it?
Seems simple enough

[subtle oyster]

it's very simple. now there are mind games that you can play off down 1's

Baraka and Raiden are actually broken because of it

but idk if I wanna complicate that for you

[kindred osprey]

It's fine, let's leave Baraka/Raiden for later
I do have questions regarding them

For now, I'm beating them on KL mainly because I know whoever mains them doesn't really know how to play.

But I feel like in the future they might
LMAO

[subtle oyster]

you can do these specific mind games with Lao. And you can sort of condition them to respect you after a down 1, but that is the only time you should really press afterwards. I'd rather you just get in the habit of not mashing afterwards

[kindred osprey]

Not to act superior nor anything but...
EVERY Baraka and/or Raiden main I fought in KL were COMPLETE scrubs who CRUMBLED once their flowchart didn't work

[wind hedge]

D1 jailing into mids is something I still don't do enough

[subtle oyster]

I do this with Sindel actually

but you can special cancel off your down 1

you can do down 1 into Lao's armored move

[kindred osprey]

Yeah, I'll work on just blocking if I don't see the D1 hit

[wind hedge]

Or be Li Mei

[kindred osprey]

Mileena does that?
I might rob people with Goro

Lmao

[wind hedge]

She's blessed and no one plays her

[subtle oyster]

That's what I would do first

[kindred osprey]

It's fine tho
It's good to know it's an option
Promise I won't abuse it

[subtle oyster]

you said that with random ball rolls

i've heard this before

[subtle oyster]

they play those characters cause they need the chip damage to win

[kindred osprey]

If there is one thing I learned about FGs is that the most valuable thing to have are options.
Mixing them up is what win games

[subtle oyster]

they arent exactly good at opening opponents up so they rely on that shit to get wins

[wind hedge]

Damn you calling Ryu bad?

[kindred osprey]

I... I... I...
Can... Not... Defend myself here

[subtle oyster]

Johnny uses Cyrax for plus frames

[kindred osprey]

Nah
He has options

He is a great char

He was bad in V
Not in 6

[subtle oyster]

his staggers are busted and you can get frame traps off a lot unlike other characters. Then cyrax lets you do it all over again

anyways

[kindred osprey]

If I had a bit less self respect, I'd learn Cyrax

[subtle oyster]

the next video is good for both of you guys

https://streamable.com/hahoio

lab your jab string punishes for all your characters

you got Mileena's down but the jab punish is like the most important one

for like every character

[kindred osprey]

Welp, I did say this was LITERALLY my first day with Lao serious
I didn't lab him AT ALL before the matches

Plus...
I think I just mistimed that one
St2 is 8f startup, should've hit there
I was just slow

[subtle oyster]

I know I know i'm not shitting on you here but just know that the jab punish is immensly important in the future

I know you already have mileena's down

but if you wanna play other characters then learn a jab punish

[kindred osprey]

It is!
Specially because in MK, I kinda feel like the best combos come from the jabs

[wind hedge]

Ah it's literally 12 special for Liu

I never lab it because it doesn't come up often

[subtle oyster]

exactly

MK is a volatile game so where being minus 10 can be just as bad as being -10000

[kindred osprey]

But then again
I just missed the timing here
You can see I took a second too long
Lao recovered and I kept blocking for a second before pressing

[subtle oyster]

I know you prefer confirming into the kameo so you should be able to do 1-2 kameo into your exact same combo

[kindred osprey]

I know 212 punishes that

[wind hedge]

I practiced it but couldn't get it consistent

I'll probably aim for EX BF1

3*

[subtle oyster]

it does and its fine but punishes are incredibly important and i'm just posting some notes that I took down. You do a good job of this stuff usually

[kindred osprey]

There is ome thing I hate about MK...
Are there true blockstrings?

[subtle oyster]

@kindred osprey https://streamable.com/puvus4

Same shit as before. I took this one down so i'm posting it lol

[subtle oyster]

What do you mean true block strings?

[wind hedge]

Damn I hit the hell out B2 there

[subtle oyster]

yessir you did good

[kindred osprey]

I mean, If I press block and then let go in the middle of the bycicle kicks, I am getting hit by everything that happens AFTER I let go of the block, right?
Cuz in Kof and SF, if Chun Li hits me with Lightning kicks
I know it's 5 hits, but it's a true blockstring
If I guard the first one and let go of the controller, my char is blocking ALL of the kicks even if I'm not holding block
That lets me mash Mp or whatever to punish

[subtle oyster]

not fucking around

[kindred osprey]

I can be mashing buttons even when still blocking

And that doesn't happen in MK

Which makes punishing certain stuff really awkward

[wind hedge]

You mash in block stun?

[subtle oyster]

you do not want to mash buttons in the middle of moves in MK you will get opened up

[wind hedge]

You're insane, a real rabid animal

[kindred osprey]

In Kof and SF yes.
Reasons why I interrupt you with 2A.

[kindred osprey]

Yeah
I need to lose that habit...
I think it's fucking up some of my punishes

[subtle oyster]

MK does not reward mash. It rewards mind games and timing. This is why stagger pressure is good. @kindred osprey remember how you pressed in the middle of f343 and the last hit got you?

[subtle oyster]

you'll get the punishes in time

[kindred osprey]

Ah, but that was a frame trap
Those also kill me in the other FGs

Plus
I know the last 3 of that string is perfect blockable and punishable on it

[subtle oyster]

special moves that look overly animated, projectiles, shit that you think MIGHT be punishable generally is

WHICH IS WHY]

i say lab your jab string punish because youll need to get used to the timing of punishing this shit

[kindred osprey]

I was just impatient

[subtle oyster]

AND

the jab is gonna give you the most time to do so

[kindred osprey]

I will do tho
Labbing those is really important

[subtle oyster]

it all good tho. just sharing the shit i wrote down

honestly not that concerned with this one

[kindred osprey]

Thank you so much again

[subtle oyster]

https://streamable.com/8xolbl

[kindred osprey]

I think it's the unsafe moves and pressing after a blocked D1

[subtle oyster]

@kindred osprey see how the last hit caught you pressing?

[kindred osprey]

Yup
Tyler did super well
He hadn't done the full string in a while so I didn't even consider it a possibility

[subtle oyster]

so thats a true blockstring

[kindred osprey]

And ate that kick like cake

[subtle oyster]

to answer your question

thats not at all bad on you, you're gonna get caught by that. the point of me reposting that video is to answer about the blockstring. Get used to eating that kick, everyone does

[kindred osprey]

And it's...
Not?
It's mostly a frame trap, since I have enough time to let go of block and perfect block the last kick

But I meant
If I had let go of block after the first 3, I'd have eaten the 4 even tho there is no gap between them

Which doesn't happen in Kof and SF

And I need to get used to it

[subtle oyster]

okay i get your point. you can flawless block that last hit but there are many a strings that you cannot flawless block the last hit

and youll get hit if you let go or press

[kindred osprey]

Yes. I need to stop doing that
It's really a habit I have from other FGs

Might take a while for me to get used
But not THAT much
I think it's not as bad as my rolling habit in Kof
That shit took forever for me to overcome

[subtle oyster]

the majority of the "strings" in MK are true block strings but there are exceptions and ones with gaps. This is where knowledge of the game comes in

string is the combination of buttons

[kindred osprey]

Just smt to think about
Seems MUCH easier now that I know what to do when being pressured

[subtle oyster]

like Mileena's 1-2 is considered a string

[kindred osprey]

Also has a gap

I've seen people up block or perfect block the overhead
And it's punishable if they do it

But I fucked them up for it.
I did St1 and walked foward and GRABBED

And it worked
Over and over again

LMAO

I love KL

People only know ONE punish, ONE string, ONE strat, ONE flowchart
And when you fuck it up, they go full monkey brain

It's the funniest shit

[subtle oyster]

exactly which is why I wanted to teach you guys staggers, mix that shit up

doing jab into throw is stagger pressure

[kindred osprey]

Thank you so much for that!
It's getting me huge rewards

I do need to perfect it tho
Still don't really know how to beat D1 in neutral since it ducks my highs and interrupt my mids

[subtle oyster]

if you understand the basics of that, youll naturally get around gaps that your character has

[kindred osprey]

What I did was walk foward and then back and whiff punish

Worked, but not consistently

[subtle oyster]

you either whiff punish it or block it and retake your turn

[kindred osprey]

Ah
Just block
I forget that exists

[subtle oyster]

if someone is mashing down 1 in your face then you hit them with your fastest mid

[kindred osprey]

LMAO

[subtle oyster]

https://streamable.com/1ekzm4

[kindred osprey]

Mileena has one mid
And It's not exactly fast

[subtle oyster]

@kindred osprey I thought this was funny because I know EXACTLY what you were trying to do lol

i know exactly what you were thinking on this

[kindred osprey]

In my defense, empty jump lows work all the time
And not everyone knows Lao's is a low

[subtle oyster]

fair but people can block after the intial war cry

[kindred osprey]

I blame Snake for getting hit too much by this

LMAO

[subtle oyster]

but i thought it was really creative lol

[kindred osprey]

ALSO
Liu was looking the other way when I pressed
I thought he had pressed a button

[subtle oyster]

so just combo into them, however, Mileena's can be used to go through a projectile and hit them

like cammy's lvl 3

so you can use it like that

[kindred osprey]

I use it as AA

[subtle oyster]

or an anti air

[kindred osprey]

Have you seen the hitbox?
It's HILARIOUS
Hits directly above her

[subtle oyster]

she has an amazing fb

[kindred osprey]

I can AA crossups with that

LMAO

[subtle oyster]

https://streamable.com/wr5r47

Also last thing

[kindred osprey]

ACCIDENT

[subtle oyster]

if you realized you may have messed up you can save yourself here by doing jump kick

like how Ashrah does

[kindred osprey]

Muscle memory fucked me up
My finger did it without my brain's consent

LMAO

[subtle oyster]

it's okay lol thought it was funny

figured i'd let you know in case

[kindred osprey]

It was tho

I got so pissed

[subtle oyster]

now lemme show you how to beat down 1's

[kindred osprey]

Cuz I knew what to do and my finger just acted on his own

And to make it worse...
He would've dropped the combo if I had hit the launcher
Too soon for the j. 2

[wind hedge]

@subtle oyster

12 Lao Kameo call doesn't combo in midscreen. Only in the corner

In a second I'm gonna send all of my punishes that I actively know

[subtle oyster]

I’d keep working on the amp back forward 3 mid screen. Looks like you got it too

I was hoping maybe it did

Cause I do know that shit can be easy to drop mid match

[wind hedge]

Yeah it would be nice

F1 is a 7 frame while 1 is a 6 frame. Is there really much of a difference?

[subtle oyster]

Not really but also kinda lemme explain

Everyone else’s jab is 7 frames so if you wanna punish with f1 that’s totally fine

Liu has the fastest jab in the game at 6 frames so he can punish some things that others can’t like Kung Lao’s armored move

But for now if you wanna punish with f1 then by all means do so

It’s meterless so that’s a plus

[wind hedge]

Really? REALLLLLLLLY?

I thought Johnny has the fastest

Maybe that's just D1

[subtle oyster]

You’re correct is the d1

[wind hedge]

Alright cool to know

[subtle oyster]

Idk what the big things to look out for in matchups that Liu can punish tho

Probably a number of strings and special moves

[wind hedge]

Ah that's as it comes

[subtle oyster]

But I wouldn’t focus on that tbh

[wind hedge]

I wonder if he can punish anything from Raiden

That's a direct MU I struggle against

[subtle oyster]

Raiden top 1 imo

It’s not a fair fight

[wind hedge]

Damn

Top 1

Top 5 is a funny list because it really doesn't change

Fuck Ashura

She got the racist buttons

[subtle oyster]

Her forward 2 is a war crime

[wind hedge]

https://vxtwitter.com/Spyder_306/status/1711731618711314529?t=utU81-4UkvKvu-taLMG0ZQ&s=19

She got that button

[subtle oyster]

Lmfao

That is definitely the button

She gets plus frames up the ass

Instant overhead that she doesn’t need

Best armor in the game that she doesn’t need

50/50’s that she doesn’t need

[wind hedge]

Yeah, I saw her as one of the first character in a tournament and hated looking at it.

[subtle oyster]

She’s actually not a demon. Just cancer

[wind hedge]

Everyone else is just like, block pressure until death in like the top 5

Then there's her

[subtle oyster]

Raiden and Baraka really don’t even need to open you up cause they do so much fucking chip damage they will win anyways. But if they do hit you then there’s 50% gone. They are also brain dead characters to learn and play

Then there’s Kenshi who has a skill floor but if he hits you one time into Sento then you’ve pretty much lost the round

Johnny uses cyrax as a means to retake his turn similar to Kano in the beta. He will just fucking hit you with insane stagger pressure and then just reset everything back into pressure with cyrax

Ashrah is a cunt

And Rain is now considered top tier by a lot of people with the cyrax kameo

[wind hedge]

I think rain is funny, because while boring and lacks combo drip and flexibility. He does have about everything except crazy normals and a command grab

My man has like one mix-up the leads to a full combo into I think another mix up

[subtle oyster]

With the cyrax kameo, he’s got some insane shit I figured out

He has a safe double overhead launcher string that he can cancel mid animation into a throw. And then proceed to get over 20% on the throw combo due to cyrax

Cyrax gives him an armored launcher

Really good block pressure now due to Cyrax

Some cool setups with his water shit he throws on the ground

He looks super fun to play but I play a top tier already which is enough top tiers

[tough rock]

@subtle oyster

https://youtu.be/elKC7xqncYY?si=mu_bZP2s3arlj7HA

[wind hedge]

Ah I heard about that

[tough rock]

Sindel about to get banned

[subtle oyster]

I literally found that out last night

She needs it😊

[tough rock]

She needs that infinite about as badly as Liu Kang's F4 needs to be 9 frames again

[subtle oyster]

Against Raiden Cyrax she does

[wind hedge]

Ayy that's not a bad idea

[subtle oyster]

He can win on chip damage I at least have to open them up a single time

[subtle oyster]

It was his back 1 that was the 9 framer but yeah that’s a great idea

[tough rock]

You say that but you never played against MK11 Liu Kang, did you?

[subtle oyster]

Give him a command grab to tick off it too

Now we’re cooking

[tough rock]

Launch Mk11 his F4 was 9 frames

They nerfed it to 11 and never touched Liu again lol

[subtle oyster]

I didn’t even play Liu at launch damn

They nerfed his 1-2 after that

But wasn’t a huge deal

[tough rock]

I did and it was toxic as hell

[subtle oyster]

F4 as a nine framer sounds nice

Very

Nice

[tough rock]

A 9 frame easily stagger that leads to KB on CH was and still is, cracked

[subtle oyster]

His f4 stagger ended up being pretty meh at the end of the life cycle but that back 1 was glorious

Thinking about it, that’s a good idea we should make his f4 a 9 framer again

I wanna experience this

Let’s keep the Sindel infinite too

[wind hedge]

I want to see Li Mei win a tourney

I don't have any plans to pick her up but I want to see more of her

[subtle oyster]

Yeah that would be cool

[wind hedge]

I think she's cool but just not my kind of character I think

Also I don't think lamp loops are as cool as stink leg loops or whatever the fuck Johnny be doing

[subtle oyster]

Her combos with scorpion are pretty awesome

But for tournaments they will run Kung lao hat

[wind hedge]

If I were to try someone it would be her but eh

It would be a future thing

[subtle oyster]

Well if you run the Lao hat the gameplan would be similar lol

Her plus frames are actually really good

[wind hedge]

Cool

I'm waiting to give with someone like I do with Liu Kang

[subtle oyster]

You can play other characters. Just main Liu and work on that but have fun with the game

[wind hedge]

It's rough because Liu Kang literally has the coolest aesthetic I could ask for. Man man's fatality where he brings you to space is flashy as hell. Also where he says "You're creation was a mistake"

I gotta get antiquated with Li Mei. I might try her today as I attempt to finish the invasions

[wind hedge]

Yeah it's almost Raiden Jax levels of damage it's kind of silly

[subtle oyster]

It’s kinda of awesome tho lol

But def lab some combos and look at the character. You might end up enjoying her more. I wanted to try Sindel’s combos but now I’m prolly gonna main get after season 1

[wind hedge]

Yeah watching videos it's neat

[subtle oyster]

I can run some games with you later. I played Li Mei a bit in the beta

[wind hedge]

I'm curious why not many people play her

Only thing so far watching her is she doesn't seem to have great solo meterless damage. But that's probably just a Liu thing that he has

[subtle oyster]

She’s not exactly straight forward and people say they’ve been struggling with her stubby buttons

[subtle oyster]

She does not

She relies on lanterns

[wind hedge]

Ahh okay, that's rough. That's like something that would stop me if I was a new player

How the hell did I get that?

[subtle oyster]

I was thinking maybe he’s hoarding meter like they’re hoarding pennies lmfao

[wind hedge]

I'm gonna try her but I feel like the combo trials aren't gonna help too much

[subtle oyster]

No idea. Might be fun to do tho

[wind hedge]

I'll probably try them whenever I get down watching this YouTube video

Apparently Li Mei just kinda makes people rage in KL

Just kind of walking back and playing slow pisses off people pretty hard

[subtle oyster]

Some people have absolutely no idea how to deal with basic zoning and they get mad at their frustration

The fact is, this game is incredibly easy to deal with zoning

Sub zero even completely negates it lol

But that’s how you have to play her sometimes

And that’s how to play Liu sometimes

[wind hedge]

What? What? What? Literally it was the first game of a set and they started whiffing and immediately said "Nah just beat me, I can't deal with this walking back shit. It's so boring"

[subtle oyster]

It triggers some people and it’s hilarious

Foxy’s soundboard is proof of that lol

[wind hedge]

Also the same thing with him using a frost Kameo because people don't block low

[subtle oyster]

True but that shit is hella sneaky sometimes

[wind hedge]

It doesn't lead to much damage it's like only 255 or something but she has a weird mix up of either low overhead or low frost low

[tough rock]

@subtle oyster this pleases me

https://twitter.com/EmeryReigns/status/1714607221638595031?t=ISKd7lAeDy-Ai7bjQjPBGQ&s=19