Warframe

[quick stag]

its bad cuz he can easily die

[zenith forge]

Real

Especially with shit like vamp rock

[safe gull]

I would like to thank:

• Shield osprey specter
• Lv1 warframe specter
• Stalker specter
• Roller specter
• Lv2 warframe specter
• Moa specter
• Lv3 warframe specter
• Corrupter lancer specter
• Clem (and his specter)
• Charger specter
• Ancient protector specter
• Khal (and his buddies)
  -# - flare and their stupid guitar
• My Kuva lich (and his nuts jokes)
  And most importantly:
• Citrine (and her comapnion scaling 3)
• Summoner's Wrath
• My robo dog, "orbiter's alternator" ❤️
• that one rhino I subsumed
  For helping me solo this stupid defense mission

I would also like for all those red draining puddles to go back to duviri because they immidately killed me on the last mission

[zenith forge]

Ooof

I remember back when Eda came out you could kill the liminus with stuff like the arca plasmor

For some reason

De hates accidental ghost buster references

https://tenor.com/view/proton-pack-gif-5440331234983656012

[quick stag]

wife

guys

i need help

i dont think i can make it in time

!!!!!

one of the weeklies are 3 sorties

[zenith forge]

The three sorties ones are the fucken worst

Cause if you miss a few you genuinely get screwed

And if you get it back the next week you have to complete all THOSE weeklies early enough in the week to have enough time to redo the sorties cause it doesn't remember your progress

[quick stag]

thats why i wrote !!!!!

[zenith forge]

Id dislike em less if they didn't reset at 12 in the afternoon unlike literally everything else

[quick stag]

they reset 7pm for me

speaking of which

i have missed it

just

[zenith forge]

It's less the time specially and more the fact it's independent of the universal reset everything else uses

[quick stag]

yeah

[zenith forge]

Low-key I skipped the one yesterday cause I don't wanna deal with sortie spy

Whoever designed that shit and made it so you can't use ciphers on em stinks

[quick stag]

lua rescue

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-skull-skull-skull-spinning-spin-spinning-gif-9100477621967381038

[zenith forge]

Perscipacity my homie

No I will NOT engage with the hacking mini game, and they cant make me

[quick stag]

not that

if oyu get in a squad

and everyone starts hackign shit

and oyu cant get the correct portal

holy hsit

sevagoth shadow time

hoyl moly

W invigarations

@zenith forge @safe gull @calm fiber @runic bane @tranquil rain
I have Tennocon Baro ticket so if you need any primed mod,just give me enough ducats and ill get it for you
(once its open)

[safe gull]

You can trade ducats?

[quick stag]

primed parts

[calm fiber]

scratching my head over if I need any or not

I guess I should farm like a maniac so I can take you up on that and get all the smite etc. mods I don't have but ugh

[zenith forge]

Just solo it???
Like genuinely if it's a spy or smth like that I always solo it cause I generally can bang those out faster

[zenith forge]

I also got it lol

[quick stag]

shoo get away

IAM doing the charity here

[quick stag]

this sucks ass

[calm fiber]

you know

surely there's a better way

surely there's a better way to do what they're going for with these

there has to be

[quick stag]

i dont need last pix chip reward so i have a bit of a wiggle room

[calm fiber]

my experience has been ammo deficit is tantamount to "guns are disabled"

transference distortion means no magus repair

both are bad

[quick stag]

transference distorion means no vazring protective sling and no vazarin tauran strike

which sucks ass

i hate not having my main source of defense

[calm fiber]

here's a thought

and when I say "thought" I do mean thought, we're talking hypotheticals here

what if we replaced the "negative to player" with "buff to enemies"

and got rid of fucking stage defense and mirror defense

#notbiased

[quick stag]

wait a minute

i forgot you can heal objective with vazaring tauran strike

[calm fiber]

...what

can you?????

[quick stag]

yeah

vazarin tauran strike has by FAR the best value

out of all strikes

[calm fiber]

remember when I was like "I'm not gonna farm perita there's an event coming I'll do it then" and then I never did perita again

weird how things work out sometimes,

[quick stag]

it also revives all your teammates in ETA/EDA

even dead ones

[safe gull]

I will tolerate no slander

[quick stag]

HELL YEAH
getting qorvex for fragmented tide EDA is so fun

[quick stag]

third statement is true

[quick stag]

gotta buy rivens for new incarnons

[calm fiber]

ONOS IS GOOD

ONOS IS GOOD!!!!

love my stupidass cannon

[quick stag]

source: i built it

okey uhh

its not worse than alternox

[calm fiber]

I do good work with that thing

#skillissue

[quick stag]

its just awkward to use

[calm fiber]

it's a fuckoff giant laser cannon arm

what more do you want in life

I need Rebecca to play zone of the enders 2 so I can get the vector cannon in this game

[quick stag]

hold on
he is farminge stela

i need that shit so bad

[safe gull]

yes

[zenith forge]

I hope in jade shadows constellations they reference this

Like Sirius and Orion telling the operator to go pound salt, but with the drifter they're like "oh shit, wassup cool unc!"

[zenith forge]

The onos is effectively a pocket opticor

Tf you think imma do, not say that's the coolest shit ever?

[safe gull]

Stalker having dimension transcending beef with Operator but being chill with Drifter is a load bearing mood for lore

[zenith forge]

Oh man I hope Sirius and Orion have a unique interaction with stalker when he shows up to try and kill you

...wait a second

If Sirius and Orion are Dante and vergil adjacent

That makes stalker like sparda

The sentient sword war

AND HES A FRAME

STALKER IS THE TITLE CHARACTER

He is the war-frame

Holy fuck

Cant wait to roll up to sirius and Orion like nero at the end of DMC 5 with war in hand like "I beat the shit out of your dad for this sword and five bucks on the semi regular, now y'all gonna get the ass beating too if y'all don't play nice"

[calm fiber]

where does that come from?

[safe gull]

Stipulations about the lore: Stalker hates Tenno due to what they've done, but drifter doesn't count because they come from a different timeline when they haven't done anything

Logically Stalker wouldn't hate drifter because Soren has nothing to hate them for

[calm fiber]

interesting

I hadn't considered that but it makes sense

other than the whole, y'know. being tied to the operator

[safe gull]

There's also this

[calm fiber]

oh that's hype

I forgot about that

[runic bane]

mkay

god i should really get off my helldivers arch i got like barely any prime parts

[quick stag]

https://youtu.be/SvYZ4jtsa64?si=4qY6NX4qMcNpI__H

[quick stag]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/7o9OBx8MfY

[zenith forge]

Ah, the age old tale of the good ole father son slugfest

[quick stag]

kid named eternalism

[quick stag]

i need help

[zenith forge]

Father will remind them what the fuck is up

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-conquest-oliver-slap-smack-gif-10833621802156834078

[quick stag]

orion and sirius prex card

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/DD44udLuYw

[vast holly]

https://vxreddit.com/r/Warframe/s/DD44udLuYw

[safe gull]

Don't forget about Jade too

[safe gull]

People be like "Oh can't wait for those 8-man squads"

Like my tubemen in belric and rania, Citrine will summon the entirety of universe to buff her crystal

It would be actually funny to whip out a support only squad just to buff specters and companions

[zenith forge]

Me, my brother, my other me, my other brother, my other other me, other other brother, other other other me, and other other other brother

[safe gull]

Like you whip out a citrine wisp oberon and rhino and just have whole ass battlefield

Making perita rebellion look like a highschool squabble

[zenith forge]

See if de really locked in they'd go the full nine yards and do the DMC 3 2 player Easter egg thing

Where if you hook up another controller you can have local co-op with Sirius and orion

[safe gull]

The whole ass frame is a DMC easter egg didn't you know that capcom trademarked sibling rivarly to Dante and virgil?

[zenith forge]

They feel very Dante and vergil coded

[safe gull]

One of them is already red you just gotta colour the other one blue

[zenith forge]

Ironically I feel like if we're going by characterizations you'd need to invert the colors

Cause Sirius (green) sounds like he's more inclined to settling things amicably while Orion is on the warpath

[quick stag]

orion is green cuz copyright

bald wisp

[zenith forge]

Goofy aaaah cat

[safe gull]

It takes all my mental power to not acknowledge the baldness of wisp in this fanart

[quick stag]

bald bald bald

[zenith forge]

I mean technically all frames are bald

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-bald-my-eyes-gif-9010274755096376219

[quick stag]

wisp is bald bald

[quick stag]

I NEED HUNHOW

NOW

[quick stag]

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/Warframe/s/RwO54RqPSc

[safe gull]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

[quick stag]

protoframe icon in 1999 looks like mahoraga from top

[quick stag]

every week iam more dissapointed than previous one

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-my-kingdom-come-gif-22105215

ooooohhhhh

yes

yes

price is rising

just 3 weeks ago it was 70p

[quick stag]

rarest void cascades lvl cap group

[quick stag]

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/Warframe/s/ge5Ncx6cri

[calm fiber]

Do you level cap with randos??? Or are they people you know

[quick stag]

Always randoms

i dont have enough friends who
1.play warframe
2.play warframe at my level
3.want to spend ~1.5h of mostly mindless grinding

4.all of them want to play at the same time

[calm fiber]

well shit hit me up sometime I've been meaning to try to go for a level cap run and always been too chicken shit

can't today but yeah let's work a time out that'd be cool

[quick stag]

alright, ill keep you in mind

[calm fiber]

hell yeah

[quick stag]

eu or NA?

[calm fiber]

what's your koumei build look like? I love her conceptually but I'm kinda dog shit at her lmao

NA

US central time zone

[quick stag]

itll be fine

ive played with people from na a lot

[quick stag]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1mn7bro/koumei_make_your_own_luck_v2/

[vast holly]

https://vxreddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1mn7bro/koumei_make_your_own_luck_v2/

[quick stag]

personally i dont sumbsume her 1

cuz that makes "kill enemies affected by X" easier to do

[calm fiber]

same

Love this guy already

HE'S SPITTING BARS????????

hey did they say there'd be a new koumei augment or am I misremembering

do we know what it is if so

[quick stag]

we only know of dante and flare

[quick stag]

true

i was doing like 30min of void cascades and didnt die once

and i wasnt activly shield gating with her or vaz slinging

[calm fiber]

I was mixing up flare with koumei

[calm fiber]

that's so fucking gas holy shit

I hate shield gating so much ngl

LMAO

using tonkor without PSF?

that's braver than I am

LMFAO mother of all coincidences dude

[zenith forge]

Dante, temple, nokko, kounei

We saw half the augments

[quick stag]

or cautious shot

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Cautious_Shot

[calm fiber]

I did not know that existed

[zenith forge]

Yeah it's a arb mod

Sadly it works on only rifles

So the astilla can't use it which sucks

[calm fiber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj-QF8tGnDE

[zenith forge]

https://youtu.be/j8IXAlUEGT0?si=QcsWhzqJ9nb0moMc

Damage too high
Enemy is a victim

[quick stag]

banshee isnt bad at doing damage

she has awkaward and old kit

[quick stag]

also

void cascades are random

void cascades omni fissure

holy shit

new disruption meta

[calm fiber]

LMFAO

awful choice for spy missions

BASED PABLO LMFAO

[tranquil rain]

The Blowjob Brothers real af for that

[zenith forge]

Sirius tryna get a clean extraction but Orion is too murder happy and trips the alarm

[quick stag]

new nokko augment

[calm fiber]

what does he need

what could they do that improves him

[safe gull]

Give him a sprodling that follows him around

[runic bane]

did they show it yet?

[quick stag]

ah shit id didnt post pic

straight from pablos twitter

[calm fiber]

OH DID YOU NOT SEE?

the full version leaked!

[runic bane]

gotta be venom dose but viral trust

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-rogan-ufc-rogan-ufc-commentary-ufc-reaction-ufc-reaction-gif-gif-26796353

[quick stag]

ah hell nah

[runic bane]

honestly still needa farm nokko i just hate the missions for his stuff

[quick stag]

i like deepmines bounties

what the helly

[calm fiber]

Same I need to do more

[quick stag]

drip marketing

[quick stag]

oh my god

i hope the incarnons are shit

[safe gull]

I KNEW IT.

[quick stag]

triple xaku combo

[safe gull]

Embarrassed Kaya right infront of dying flare

[quick stag]

what?

i dont get it

[tranquil rain]

Abuse Grineer

[quick stag]

oh

[calm fiber]

where'd this come from?

they show the koumei one yet?

[quick stag]

pablos twiter

probably

iam waiting for warframe arcanes

[calm fiber]

dying to know what koumei getting

I wanna put that build together but I want that kunai incarnon

nobody told me kunai incarnon is free headshots

[quick stag]

ima dying to know if we will get more health tank arcanes

[tranquil rain]

Pablo's twitter

[quick stag]

20m

Axalu

...

[tranquil rain]

Yeah?

[quick stag]

cheeky bastard

You are still here?!

drats

[quick stag]

Are you actually removing ♻️ emote or is my discord bugging?

@zenith forge

arcane sculptor

NUKENUKENUKENUKENUKE

[runic bane]

game awards got a warframe drop if yall wanna grab it

[quick stag]

what does it drop?

[runic bane]

idk

[quick stag]

bruh

[runic bane]

idk where to check for it

[quick stag]

its fine

[tranquil rain]

Dante

[quick stag]

dante

[runic bane]

soulframe baybeee

[calm fiber]

thanks for the warframe slot <3

[quick stag]

should i switch red shards for radiation dmg shards?

[calm fiber]

It's been awhile since I checked the math but I remember in qorvex's case if you have them it's more efficient since the only real reason you're using power on him is for that damage, yeah?

IDK if that's changed or if the person who told me that was wrong tho

[quick stag]

i got 4 more red tau shards by swaping to radiation shards

@zenith forge does nourish give viral to ability damage?

[zenith forge]

It doesn't give viral damage but that doesn't matter

Hitting someone with nourish makes em do a retaliatory aoe viral burst that auto primes

[quick stag]

zamn

[lilac steppe]

something hitting YOU makes it prime

[zenith forge]

Yeah that's what I meant

I'm saying like from a outside perspective if someone hit someone who currently had viral up a big viral burst goes off

[quick stag]

that wont work for qorvex

he is invincible in 4

[quick stag]

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/Warframe/s/Y2HSxnTAqJ

[quick stag]

@calm fiber

hop on?

oh right

i need to ping you 10 times to show urgency

@calm fiber @calm fiber @calm fiber @calm fiber @calm fiber @calm fiber @calm fiber @calm fiber @calm fiber

[quick stag]

Ima glad to see that Warframe gaming thread is still the largest single game thread here

[tranquil rain]

?

It's not even close to one of the larger threads, what?

[quick stag]

"single game"

gacha hell is like 300 differant games

[calm fiber]

Was asleep sorry

I'm still working on that koumei build. I want a tonkor riven so I'm chipping at my riven supply just in case, and kunai incarnon is at least two weeks away I think

Also need the companion built up and to finish the mecha set

[quick stag]

cool cool

[lilac steppe]

i have like no idea what this frame even does

ive seen one clip

[quick stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1094832722532376626/1511991186095603742/3FB9861.MP4?ex=6a266b86&is=6a251a06&hm=1cf977bb1424654a05f96224c16561b5fa7fc89a994b505267557c199439b922&

its more liek this

[lilac steppe]

the video doesnt like actually play for me so i downloaded it and ??

qorvex too strong,,,,

[zenith forge]

Qorvexing indeed

[calm fiber]

there is a subset of the community that are going to love that character, and I strongly suspect most of them already own garuda

LMFAO

[quick stag]

@zenith forge

[safe gull]

This has prime Pepsi man potential

[zenith forge]

Good thing I subsume over effigy lol

[quick stag]

another stage defense

@safe gull

https://tenor.com/view/rotating-skull-gif-24524852

piss easy elite wekelys

[zenith forge]

Cap in 90 s is mad fun at least

[calm fiber]

titaniaaaaa

my beloveeeeed

[calm fiber]

did they ever clarify what this shit is about

[zenith forge]

Titania???

https://tenor.com/view/gauss-warframe-prime-speed-run-gif-5262691005362441267

[calm fiber]

my titania capture record is 32 seconds in void capture (farming relics)

can gauss beat that

[zenith forge]

Depends on the map layout

My best was 40s(?)iirc

[calm fiber]

I think when I'm on my A-game I was averaging 40-50s a run, the 32 was a lot of good luck compounding

[zenith forge]

I can pretty comfortably hit like lower 50s

[quick stag]

30sec

and iam out

[safe gull]

"You see, they simply do not hate him enough."

[zenith forge]

Oh whAt da fuck

[safe gull]

It's a meme, move along.

[zenith forge]

Oh ok cool

[calm fiber]

what's the original context

[safe gull]

There is no context beyond a hypothetical progenitor meme with Kane which spawned him being shoehorned into becoming a meme

They actually removed the giant ass diaper from the gemini skin

[safe gull]

I know now how Micheal Jordan feels (Tenet Exec is cool af)

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/ballin-gif-24950934

[calm fiber]

What

[zenith forge]

The tenet exec is a fun gun conceptually I just wish it was handled better

[safe gull]

Gun huh?

[zenith forge]

...

I was thinking the briefcase gun

[safe gull]

ah the diplos

[quick stag]

envoy?

[quick stag]

spaghetti

!!!!!!!

@calm fiber

[zenith forge]

Oh that's fun

[quick stag]

i wish this was an passive augment

but that would be too op

having loaded dice on every ability

[zenith forge]

Honestly yeah

I could see them changing it post launch

[zenith forge]

I mean would it

You'd need 18 kills for a guaranteed good loaded die effect

[quick stag]

yeah

what os 18 kills?

barely a scratch

[zenith forge]

I mean think about it from a outside perspective

18 kills for invincibility? Rev and others can just do that off rip

[quick stag]

true...

[zenith forge]

Better CC/status spread? Other frames can do it as good if not better

Without kills

The thing it's actually augmenting??

Yeah decrees are cool, but they also a.)have increasing cooldowns per use anyway for some reason and b.)a lot of kinda dud ones that dont help you a ton

They could totally make this a passive aug and it would NOT break the game

[quick stag]

Yeah

[lilac steppe]

its an old teaser for second dream they never bothered to remove

been in the game for probably almost 10 years now?

[calm fiber]

I'm gonna (try to) do something I haven't done in years

I'm gonna actually farm a new warframe and not just immediately buy them with plat

I picked the worst one ever to do that with I know

[safe gull]

Some person made a heavy blade skin for tennogen

We need to get this weapon approved for windingbus m1 garand treatment

[zenith forge]

I need this on my vinquibus

[safe gull]

vinquibus? Nah we neet this as a new TENET weapon

[zenith forge]

Oh even better

You ever play lies of P?

[safe gull]

nah

[zenith forge]

There's a weapon in that game called the pale knight

I'd love a fullsize gunsword like that

But in warframe

That or a new stance that implements the gun shots in the combos somehow

[quick stag]

which one?

[calm fiber]

Sirius and Orion

[quick stag]

ah

i dont think i have ever bought a warframe with plat

[calm fiber]

I have poor self control

[quick stag]

damn

[zenith forge]

The augment itself isn't bad

It just could be so much better

[quick stag]

PLEASE CHANGE IT TO PASSIVE AUGMENT

[zenith forge]

I could see it happening

That spawning a object maxing your effeciency arcane is gonna entirely invalidate effeciency modding period

Low-key I feel like they should uncap efficiency modding or at least make fleeting actually kind of a positive trade off

Like as is if you wanted to max effeciency and get free abilities you're dumping 3 mod slots on it, including a 60% duration cut, so for 90% of frames thats actually closer to 4/5 mods because I can't think of a single frame off the top of my head who'd actually want to willingly run duration THAT low

And even then if you wanna run a frame with a hypothetical 100% effeciency what does that even really do? Like it'd enable more consistent ability casts, but we already have energize and stuff like it which enable that sort of playstyle AND they can afford to dump effeciency for stronger effects to boot

Ultimately I think enabling 100% effeciency only would help the game build variety wise

Stuff like secondary surge becomes more useable, quick thinking and primary overcharge basically would turn your energy bar into a permeant buff/lifeline bar, etc

And even then youre probably giving up blind range for that 100% consistent effeciency so realistically the highest str stat you can hit is around 200%

[quick stag]

baruuk perhaps

[zenith forge]

Hes genuinely the one use case RN for high efficiency low duration

Even then low low duration I don't think is good cause that makes holding daggers/ellude less effective cause you're kneecapping duration

At the cost of a spammable 2 which enables 4

[calm fiber]

Kumihomo?

Is that 3

[quick stag]

1

[calm fiber]

Hm

[quick stag]

arguably the worst ability

[calm fiber]

I think it wouldn't take much more for this augment to be fucking awesome

Add like a minor attraction effect or something

[quick stag]

okey i think i know why they wont make it passive augment

[calm fiber]

Compel enemies to walk into it

[quick stag]

Cuz omamori is subsumed ability

[calm fiber]

Because it completely defies the theme of the character to remove RNG?

[quick stag]

thats also true

[zenith forge]

The passive aug wouldnt be usable on other frames

[quick stag]

oh right lol

[calm fiber]

Here's my thinking right

[zenith forge]

Or just have the lines shoot out and grab people

[calm fiber]

If you have this augment and a way to force enemies to trip it, that's every elemental decree challenge solved

18 kills for that seems reasonable

Especially given it's 18 kills mandated to a specific weapon so you're encouraged even more to play into theme

Both augments do nothing unless you use the lucky weapon pick of the minute

I like that

[calm fiber]

Same thing really

Idk I think people underestimate how useful that move can be

I don't think it's great and if you insist on a subsume it's the obvious choice, obviously, of course

But I think it works fine ish

I just use it as a projectile and wish it worked as a defense/trap

I've clutched out some elemental decrees with it before

[quick stag]

i literally removed a subsume on it so that i can do the elemental kill challanges on koumei

[calm fiber]

See?

[zenith forge]

Ok but imagine if getting loaded dice allowed you to use them on any ability tho

[calm fiber]

I'm imagining a world where people press no buttons whatsoever except for every 18 kills when they press 2

[quick stag]

yeah and it not like its 18kill for all ability to get max effect

its only for one ability

72 kills to get for a ll 4 abilities

[calm fiber]

Making it apply to the full passive honestly makes it kind of lame

I want to roll dice it's why I'm playing koumei

[quick stag]

i agree
and at the same time want koumei to be invincible with loaded dice omamori

so thta i dont have to shiled gate

[zenith forge]

I mean you still could

It's just that if you really need a good roll you could whip out some loaded dice to let it ride

[quick stag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su8S-bp1WtM

[zenith forge]

I think upping the kills per die, but letting her stockpile them could be fun

[calm fiber]

What you're saying is "you can choose to make a worse decision and that's fine"

If the effect is on all abilities then the correct way to play is to only press anything every 18 kills

[quick stag]

WHAT

[quick stag]

!!!!

[calm fiber]

Now you're talking. No need to even up the kills. Let me stock up and then when I get an element decree cash out

That fixes the entire problem

[quick stag]

casting coil horizon removes mach rush mobility restrictions

[zenith forge]

I mean yeah

You're playing the gambler frame to begin with

[zenith forge]

Fucking scuse you?

It does WHAT

[calm fiber]

What I don't want is a world where koumei is seen as meta and boring with a gimmick that everyone skips

I'd rather her be ignored than be bored

[quick stag]

look at the video 38 second mark

[zenith forge]

I mean they could also add a trade off to he die

Make em either guarantee a 6/1

Turning your 5×6 rolls into 5×2 coinflips

Also I believe I've said it earlier but I doubt having loaded die would make her meta or boring

You could just use die on invinciblity every 18 kills

You could do that

But at that rate just play rev cause he has better invincibility cheese that's easier to use

Moreover it adds extra layers to decision making

Do you full send a cast with loaded now to get better procs and effects, or do you wait and use em on a decree roll?

Id argue good gamble based tools in games are based on one of two ideas

Either the gamble is on some really good or really bad effect(s) happening but the effect working is up to chance

Or the results are all ok and random, but you get to cheese the system a bit and affect the odds that you get something you want

[calm fiber]

Soul punch executes??

[calm fiber]

If it's well executed in my opinion as the world's most obsessed person with gambler classes it's got both insane highs and calamitous lows, weighted towards positive outcomes

Let me get to my desk and give you my presentation

[calm fiber]

https://drive.proton.me/urls/N0TFN0GEBM#caBu6c1UeaPB

There we go

[zenith forge]

You want me to open this and read it?

Bet

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-rogan-ufc-rogan-ufc-commentary-ufc-reaction-ufc-reaction-gif-gif-26796353

gamblers manifesto??

@zenith forge @calm fiber @tranquil rain @safe gull @runic bane

[zenith forge]

I feel like I agree with the conclusion but also I feel like koumei doesn't really fall in that category

The koumei duds aren't really detrimental and the highs arent as high

I think giving koumei 2 passive augs could be fun

You make one that's the loaded die on kill and the other is a "high roller" aug that doubles the die you roll, with the effects getting much stronger with a high roll, but low rolls become actively detrimental

Loading die and the high roller aug becoming opportunity cost is a interesting way to balance em

[zenith forge]

You either take your ok base toolkit with 8 core stat mods, give up one of those for consistency OR higher highs and lower lows, or give up two for a bit of both, but the nature of the high roll mod makes the consistency of the loaded die mod less consistent unless you're cracked with weapons

[calm fiber]

warframe has a long history of doing an archetype but not playing it straight and in my opinion it's basically always to their detriment

[zenith forge]

Y'know what

I whole heartily agree yeah

Or they'll do a concept
Not full send it
Then they'll loop back around to the concept with a new frame and full send it

See chroma and lavos

[calm fiber]

Revenant is supposed to be a vampire except he's entirely about mist, which is like, incidentally a vampire thing

Oberon is supposed to be a paladin except he's kind of a druid instead and ends up a little bit muddled (the rework helps a lot IMO but doesn't completely fix this)

Hydroid is supposed to be a pirate, so he takes things with force, and original hydroid was a water mage with tentacles (I think Plunder and barrage being more Barrage-y has helped a lot)

Limbo is themed after a stage magician (and the stuff with the Rift kind of makes sense for that if you picture an illusionist "teleporting")

chroma is meant to be a dragon and uh, isn't, and you're dead on with lavos being a second swing at the element thing going MUCH better

[zenith forge]

Lavos runs rings around chroma in terms of "mastery of the elements" schtick which is honestly why I want chroma to not cycle elements or shit in a potential rework and just have him get all 4 base elements consistently

[calm fiber]

If I were given be-all end-all authority over Chroma's design, I would change all four of his abilities and his passive

I think there is 0 about him that makes sense if the theme is Dragon

[zenith forge]

Oi!
Leave my double bullet jump alone!

If I were the end all be all authority on chroma I'd rework 1/4, tweak 2 a bit, leave 3 unchanged* and buff the passive a bit

I feel like him just kinda having a dragon aesthetic is fine

I just hate his current 4 it's ass

Also 1 is weird cause he's the weapon buff guy

But his 1 isn't treated like a weapon at all???

Nor does it interact with his weaponry

[calm fiber]

like as my Not A Game Designer, Don't Do What I Would Do, The Game Would Be Worse design:

Overall theme: Manifesting various draconic aspects with each ability. Emphasize and prioritize switching forms as core gameplay concept.

Passive: bullet jumping a second time in mid-air puts Chroma into a flying state, rolling again causes him to land. Also, a gauge: lower gauge = higher weapon buffs, higher gauge = better ability buffs. Used to power his 4. Fill it with like, energy expenditure or kills or some shit.

1: Tap: Toggled breath weapon that QUICKLY ramps up in percent max health damage over time, and each tick applies a status. Enemies that are killed within 0.25s of taking damage from the breath spread all of its statuses to all nearby enemies in [mod-modified range]
Hold: Switch element, but instead of a cycle it opens a wheel. Heat, Cold, Electricity, Toxin.
special note: Each element is a different color scheme, player-customizable, so you at a glance can see which it is.

2: Elemental-effect armor: have just a fuckmillion things on. I don't know what should be what. Just have them be batshit. Give him health tankability.

3: Draconic Fusion: Fuse the effects of a second element into your current element, for enhanced effects. So if you're in Cold, fusing Electricity gives magnetic effect to everything. Yes this is very similar to what Lavos does, I warned you my designs would be ass. Recolor him/his energy to match.

4: Draconic Form: Exalted transformation. Think Voruna 4 but wayyyyyy more involved, and makes him even bigger (similar to Oraxia 4). Each of his abilities is enhanced when used in this form in some way. 1 has better range/more status procs/etc. 2 makes it so if he hits 0 HP he refills all health, drains the 4 gauge and is forced out of 4 with a short animation, and enhances damage or some shit. 3 fuses the elements into his draconic form as well. Also give him like, an exalted claw weapon or some shit.

gameplay flow is kill shit with weapons to be able to kill shit with abilities, repeat

[zenith forge]

Gonna shotgun my chroma rework idea fast cause I've said it before at length but here's the tldr

Make 1 slightly weaker toxic lash as a channel, but instead of a forced toxin proc it's a forced heat, cold, toxin, and elec proc, augment makes it so on direct hit with weaponry you deal a the extra damage from 1 as a aoe, scaling with range

2 is just all the effects at once, prolly nerfed slightly, make everlasting ward base kit, make it now act like guardian armor on kill

3 literally leave it alone fullstop, it's already good

4 leave it a channel that gives general stat buffs like parkour velocity, aim glide, sprint speed, etc but with none of that losing your pelt bullshit, instead chroma now gains void based properties on all his abilities

1 en gains void DMG and procs
2 en gains extra loot rolls/money generation like old 4
3 en gains a extra flat Dr that scales up to 90% per kill while 4s active

Ideally the rework idea I have launches with a orowyrm dx skin to sell the idea but yeah

I feel like combining elements and chroma having a gauge doesnt make sense for him

He is a engine of destruction, the only limiting factor to his kill power should be how much effort you as a player are willing to invest into him and his abilities

Him fiddling around with a huge and all that doesn't make sense in my minds eye cause realistically he should kinda act like smaug from lotr

He takes a while to get going but if you get him going

Well

https://tenor.com/view/smaug-the-hobbit-i-am-fire-i-am-death-fire-gif-22695056

[calm fiber]

the root of my thing with Chroma is that I like pressing buttons and Chroma is one of the only frames in the game who actively punishes you for doing so, because he has two abilities that are kind of complete ass if you press them (1 and 4) and two abilities that you press off cooldown and that's the sum total interaction of them as far as I can tell (2 and 3)

[zenith forge]

Right

But I like shooting people

Having more interaction is reasonable

[calm fiber]

I think needing to take damage to power up your shit is less interesting than powering up your shit by ramping up with the violence

kill things so you can kill things better

[zenith forge]

But I don't think chroma becoming a frame who's gotta micromanage ability fusions and shit really fits his aesthetic

[zenith forge]

They already changed that tho

[calm fiber]

what

[zenith forge]

He can build damage on kill

[calm fiber]

what do you mean they

WHAT

[zenith forge]

They added that

[calm fiber]

SINCE WHEN??????

[zenith forge]

Like

[calm fiber]

WHAT

[zenith forge]

Since dante

[calm fiber]

WHY DIDN'T ANYONE EVER TELL ME

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT

how do I mod chroma

[zenith forge]

High str and duration

And uh

Take your pick of helminth slot/ability lmao

1 or 4

I dump 4 cause it's stupid and cycling elements occasionally is useful whenever I'm not on toxin

[calm fiber]

I think my biggest problem with warframe design (not the game's, the warframes specifically) is that they have this tendency of doing something that's in the ballpark of what I want and then NEVER doing that thing EVER again because we already have an X but it's not an X in the way I want it to be

[zenith forge]

Or when I need something other than toxin I should say

[calm fiber]

I am totally cool with chroma existing as he is, asterisk, I want a warframe that's actually like, a dragon

let me feel like a cool-ass dragon

[zenith forge]

Oh no definitely

[calm fiber]

and the problem I have is that chroma is not that and I don't like that they do this

[zenith forge]

It's a mix of the changing times and limitations

[calm fiber]

revenant and garuda mean I'm not getting the vampire frame I would want

oberon is not what I want a paladin to be, and I'm not going to get that because oberon exists

etc. etc.

what's REALLY funny though is that S&O looks like what I want equinox to be

just more active

[zenith forge]

Like you go back in time and tell someone about jade (preggo angel frame who's the stalkers wife who also has a pension for nuking fuckers) and they'd look at you like you have three heads

[zenith forge]

I mean you never know

Fucken chroma, lavos, voruna, and koumei all have taken a stab at "hit the fuckers with a lot of different elements" so you might get one sooner or later

[calm fiber]

well in the case of Koumei I'm definitely better off begging for a rework than hoping they add the exact thing I want as a gambler frame

because she's relatively close to what I'd want as-is

honestly what they should do is replace 1 entirely and make 4 apply random status elements, and if it jackpots it applies all of them

make 1 be her rolling dice and Something happens why not

[calm fiber]

strange phrasing

[zenith forge]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-birds-gif-12007401521632546156

[calm fiber]

also I forgot to say it but this is exactly my problem with koumei

I want 3 to break your shields on a worst-case result and I want it to give you some wild-ass shit on a jackpot

no more "temporary invuln" give me a stacking buff that lasts the entire mission, or something that applies to the team. Something.

min roll on 1 should be like, YOU get affected with status. And you should be allowed to have more threads, way more. And they should drag enemies in.

2 jackpot should ALSO let you pick your decree.

4.... I have no fucking clue

I don't like her 4

personally I think they could make a playing card frame that'd be baller as fuck if they had each ability be a suit

[zenith forge]

If you roll low you get hit with your own things

https://tenor.com/view/goku-black-dragon-ball-super-divine-lasso-goku-stabbed-gif-17798900

[calm fiber]

rip off the gambler classes that do that

[calm fiber]

sure I'd take it

[zenith forge]

Getting crucified by your own strings while you get hit with like 50 procs would be hilarious

Low rolling the talisman ones should give you unrecastable talismans that double the damage you take for the next like 5 hits or whatever

[calm fiber]

I'd genuinely love that

Or have the animation be you throw it out and it comes back and blows up in your face

they went INSANELY hard with uriel's theming and design and I think it's massively to their benefit, I LOVE uriel

I wanna see them cut loose like that with the concept of gambler

make the gap between highest high and lowest low as wide as possible

[zenith forge]

Uriel got all the budget

Also idk if anyone else has thought about this but I feel like Uriel is almost a sort of void corrupted excal

I mean you look at em side by side they kinda have similar designs both silhouette wise and as a general idea, with Uriel getting more pointy/extruding bits

Then there's the similar overlap in abilities (movement based 1, utility/survival tool based 2, thrown projectile 3, and the "everything near me dies in the next 5 seconds" 4)

I mean hell even the fucking minions kinda overlap
1s minion chains enemies together like how slash dash chains between adjacent enemies on cast

2s minion latches onto an enemy and makes them way easier to kill like what blind does

And 3s minion gives you a heat damage buff for guns, while augmented excal 3 does the same for melees

Then there's the fact that thematically they pose excal prime as the honorable "doing our duty" frame, meanwhile Uriel is almost like a metaphor for the I'd which the MITW clearly eggs on

And THEN there's the fact Uriel and his minions actually have voice lines uttering voidtounge words AND the fact Uriel outright has part of his noble idle stance with pistols where a murmur hand reaches for him but he threatens it with the gun

Like
Idk

[runic bane]

What this

[tranquil rain]

Destiny Honoria

[runic bane]

mmmm cool

[quick stag]

https://warframemaker.com/

[zenith forge]

Neat

This is definitely a personal bias one cause Why'd they fuck up the corinths reload it was perfect

[quick stag]

wait i juat realized

oriona and sirius

theg will have 5 warframe parts in their blueprint

[zenith forge]

Will they???

Also low-key I'm just gonna use this to buff shit that I feel like needs buffs lmao

Primary plated as a concept is really cool but man does it suck to use on any weapon that would actually get a big damage buff from it

[quick stag]

change duration to 5 sec default and 1sec for every 5 loaded

[quick stag]

they will probably be built same way equinox is

night neuroptics,chassis, systems make night form
day neuroptics, chassis, syatems make day form
they you combine them to make equinox

i could see them do the same with O&S

[zenith forge]

Nah, cause a 50 ammo magazine gives you the default 10 and thats like the lowest magazine weapon you'd reasonably use it on

Cause sqrt of 50 is just a bit above 7 and 7×33% is around 200% base damage

Like if you're using it on something with less than 50 bullets in a mag you're doing something wrong

[quick stag]

i suppose

[quick stag]

rubico with 12

[zenith forge]

Yeah

Why TF are you using plated on the rubico

That's like, 3.5 × 33%

Which is like barely anything

[quick stag]

cuz the arcane sounds like something you should use on a sniper

[zenith forge]

Considering it can run cannonade

[quick stag]

i put it there like 3 years ago

[zenith forge]

See ok nah you want a sniper arcane?

[quick stag]

i like the last line

but it does too much

but i guess the drawbacks are heavy enough

[zenith forge]

It's on snipers

The opportunity cost is you have to tryhard

Also most snipers dont have a lot of ammo

[quick stag]

vectis

[zenith forge]

One sniper getting a incarnon doesnt automatically make the weapon type good

See the real one to say that might break this would be the caliban sniper I'm blanking on

I assure you literally no other sniper would have a chance at breaking the game like this

And even if it on paper could, the execution required to do so is literally leagues above the type of shit frame slike saryn get up to

Like for reference longbow sharpshot is a bow arcane which on headshot gives you 300% MULTIPLICATIVE damage on your next shot

How often do you see bows breaking the meta?

Like we have incarnon bows too

[calm fiber]

that's hype

[zenith forge]

None of em are radically warping the meta

[zenith forge]

(this is fake btw I came up with this with the website baldis sent)

But like

They could totally make that a arcane

[calm fiber]

aw

[zenith forge]

And it would not break the game

[calm fiber]

very sad

I go back to sleep now

[zenith forge]

Sorry

[calm fiber]

LMFAO

it's okay

[zenith forge]

I also went back through and tried buffing mid primary arcanes lol

[calm fiber]

I want a koumei passive augment that makes it so if you go 30 seconds without casting your next roll either becomes triple 6es or you immediately die

[zenith forge]

Fucken diabolical

Nah y'know what'd be funnier,

You get left on 1 hp

Like it just immediately puts you on deaths door

You can live

But like good luck buddy lmao

[quick stag]

i wasnt thinking of incarnon
its just that it has 2 mag

i think

[quick stag]

The baldest

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-writing-fire-his-writing-is-fire-is-this-fire-hold-up-gif-15400153686296022809

[zenith forge]

Imagine secondary encumber but if it snowballed

[zenith forge]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-madness-help-me-shabriri-grape-shabriri-gif-9916150687233032407

I've gone mad with power

[quick stag]

Somebody stop him

[tranquil rain]

Doesn't Mesa Heirloom go live tomorrow?

[zenith forge]

Noooo(?)

I think it's closer to tennocon

[quick stag]

isnt it today?

11th

[zenith forge]

Yeah

[quick stag]

JULY?!?

[zenith forge]

July

[tranquil rain]

Damn, we got mixed

[zenith forge]

I didn't

Tenno con is like the 13th or whatever I think

[quick stag]

we got cross-uped

[quick stag]

fuxk i mixed up june and july

again

[tranquil rain]

They're both miserable and hot, so it's fair

[zenith forge]

They're the cancer astrology months, of course they're gonna make people crabby

Nyehehehe

[tranquil rain]

You will be cracked, in half, Unga

[quick stag]

shrimple as that

[zenith forge]

By whom?

[tranquil rain]

If there is good in the world, god

[quick stag]

more like cracked at making puns

[zenith forge]

Ayyy

[tranquil rain]

Actually, the Spurs lost last night, so that won't happen

[zenith forge]

But is he gonna give it his A game is the real question

[tranquil rain]

Eh, I'll make the trip eventually

[zenith forge]

https://youtu.be/126l1DU8SlM?is=XGVeLZpPP5hpBe-K

[tranquil rain]

Dunno, do you wanna be done scrambled, fried, sunny side up?

[zenith forge]

I mean presumably after I get rended into bits I won't really feel anything physically after I'm dead surely

Lest you suggest my soul gets fried

[quick stag]

what the helly

when did thye add this

[zenith forge]

Old peace

You need a thousand max energy to use it

Or to say get the max benefit from it

Idk I'm not a fan of it cause that 90% energy is annoying to maintain

It's apparently really good with a chroma nourish/battery setup because you generate energy insanely fast but that's boring

[quick stag]

100 billion nitain extracts

[quick stag]

@zenith forge

do we know what obex incarnon do?

[zenith forge]

I dont believe we do

[zenith forge]

Gotta get me one of these tho, I got Prisma obex ready

[quick stag]

i can get it for you

[zenith forge]

https://tenor.com/view/excellent-happy-mr-burns-simpsons-satisfied-gif-16091269

[quick stag]

iam online rn

[zenith forge]

I'm at work sadly lol

Oh wait that only procs on ground finishers

Eh

I mean 1k+20% is good

But needing a HKD is eh

Maybe the incarnon will have a forced HKD build into it idk

[quick stag]

WHAT

it saysa lethal ground attacks

and nothing about ground finishers

smh

[zenith forge]

This was before de figured out PST ig lmao

[quick stag]

in the mod card

[zenith forge]

Yeah the mods from ambulas reborn

Which I'm pretty sure is over a decade ago

They were probably more fast and loose with the mod wording back then

[quick stag]

Jade Shadows: Constellations week away

iam so happy about this information

[zenith forge]

It's nice cause I have a work training on the day it drops which means I'll prolly get out of work early

[quick stag]

it doesnt matter to me cuz its gonna drop at 6pm for me

right when i finish work

[zenith forge]

6 pm European is what in est?

I wanna say Afternoon?

[tranquil rain]

Like, 2 pm depending on where in Europe

[quick stag]

uhhh

in utc +2

[tranquil rain]

Okay, so 1 pm

[zenith forge]

Ah, 1

Splendid

[quick stag]

we neec to delete the site and make reddit forget about ir

hundred billion overpowered mods

[tranquil rain]

This fucking sucks

[zenith forge]

Nah that one's kinda funny at least

I like to imagine most the shit I came up with was reasonable

[quick stag]

100% ability strength?
For free?

[zenith forge]

Right but it's primed murder

And it's got kullervo on the thing

[quick stag]

wait
is it actually a regular mod?

[tranquil rain]

No

[quick stag]

okey phew

[zenith forge]

Like this is definitely a shit post a kullervo fan made out of biblical greed

[quick stag]

nu uh
its a warframe mod
so its universal

[zenith forge]

This is where my bullshit started lol

[tranquil rain]

I don't know what I'd make as a Warframe mod, can't really say I'd come up with something balanced

[zenith forge]

I think most of what I came up with was pretty reasonable

Except maybe sniper Exceedshot

That's prolly a bit over tuned but it's on snipers so it's ok

[zenith forge]

Right

But the person who made this is probably a kullervo main given the screenshot used

[tranquil rain]

It's absurdly overtuned, but it's also what everyone does when they wanna make a high skill floor sniper, so

[zenith forge]

I mean also

It's a sniper

[tranquil rain]

Except for the exploding headshots

[zenith forge]

In Warframe

I feel like the nature of those things do NOT like each other

In order to make a sniper work good in a game like Warframe you kinda gotta make it nutty

Like cyte 09 gets wallhack, bonus elemental damage, stupid high punch through and ricochet shots to make an exalted sniper work

Like probably the best sniper in recent history is the vadarya prime

Which is a sniper you can basically use as a mini opticor from the hip, with aoe lightning bolts on hit

It is a rail lightning gun first, sniper second

[zenith forge]

Also tbf that's on headshot kill so ideally it's not deleting rooms on repeat

It's a very try hardy arcane

Which low-key I feel like we should get more of

The closest we have RN are the merciless arcanes which you mostly use on aoe or bullethose weapons cause they can rack up a lotta kills fast to keep the buff high

Like yeah deadhead exists but it buffs headshot damage so odds are you'll stumble into headshot kills anyways, especially if you take a bullet hose gun and mod it for that

[quick stag]

yeah

reddit gotta go

[tranquil rain]

I guarantee you if it existed, that shit would obliterate maps, especially with how easy headshots are

[quick stag]

hold on

we.are so back

[tranquil rain]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/GvN3O7Na0AAS6eD.gif

[zenith forge]

You could but you'd have to be tryharding with a sniper

[tranquil rain]

Unga, I dunno about you, but headshots in Warframe are kinda free

[zenith forge]

Maybe I'm a bum cause I'm on controller lmao

[tranquil rain]

I wouldn't know

[calm fiber]

Cyte-09

[tranquil rain]

Kullervo and Uriel too

[zenith forge]

Oh

Collective curse

I forgot kullervo is actually a super good sniper frame lol

[calm fiber]

YOOOOOOOOO

That's a great idea

Steal that one de

[quick stag]

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/Warframe/s/5G2JyDllvO

[zenith forge]

Bro could've just wrote a email with "modded volt for HP and armor with some augments plus blast syam with daikyu for lifsteal nikanas"

Cool idea tho

[safe gull]

Yeah but how do you convey this crucial step in the guide otherwise?

[zenith forge]

Oh I missed that lmao

You right

The guide is quintessential

[quick stag]

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/Warframe/s/XSNmK5LzzN

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/XSNmK5LzzN

[vast holly]

https://vxreddit.com/r/Warframe/s/XSNmK5LzzN

[quick stag]

I will kill Reddit myself

[zenith forge]

Huh, a reason to keep running Helios lmao

[quick stag]

this is the stupidest arcane yet

DE WILL NEVER ADD ANOTHER ITEM THAT GIVES RANGE

myb primed stretch in few years

[zenith forge]

Nah we got archon stretch and that didn't buff range

Never gonna happen

[quick stag]

Oh true

Can we still get primed stretch?

same value

just primed and using more capacity

[zenith forge]

Erm
What the sigma

[tranquil rain]

That'd be real, actually

[tranquil rain]

Nothingburger, you hate to see it

[quick stag]

prism ohma kinda cool

[zenith forge]

Oh true

Tonfas are neat

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

[calm fiber]

Fuck yeah

[quick stag]

@zenith forge @tranquil rain @safe gull @runic bane
60% bassocyst in the house tonight

[safe gull]

Hell fucking yeah dude I was waiting for this since it procs finisher kills

[calm fiber]

intriguing!

[calm fiber]

I've never been able to get it to feel consistent with it, idk what I'm doing wrong

[quick stag]

It has an alt fire

[calm fiber]

which I have difficulty getting to work consistently

idk why

[calm fiber]

I mean that's just vanilla from 2018

[quick stag]

it feels wierd cuz it only fires when there are enemies in crosshair

[quick stag]

2 omni forma

okey

[quick stag]

oh my god

[quick stag]

can anyone check their personal rewards?

are they personal or are they same for everyone

[quick stag]

why the hell did i put umbral polarity on mesa

[quick stag]

@calm fiber

@calm fiber

@calm fiber

@calm fiber

@calm fiber

v

@calm fiber @calm fiber

iam down if you are for level cap

[zenith forge]

Umbral intensify?

[quick stag]

probably

still

[zenith forge]

Mesa is fun cause she genuinely has like 50 million ways to be built

[quick stag]

new update this week

basiclly

YIPPI

also nidus rework

surely the chrome is next

chromas only acceptable loss would be to banshee

but i feel lke banshee's rework will come with a headshot/weakspot rework and clarification

[quick stag]

@tranquil rain you so real for that

[runic bane]

Is trading this steel mod for this burston mod a good idea

[quick stag]

steel mod?

personally i dont thi k so

that burston is certified god roll

[runic bane]

Meant sobek but auto correct

[quick stag]

perfect

[runic bane]

Wait so I shouldn’t trade for a god roll?

[quick stag]

ah

the other way around

yeha get it if you like playing with burston

[runic bane]

Damn it the guy ignored me

I almost just got a 1900 plat mod

[quick stag]

lol

[runic bane]

I could still prob sell mine for 800p but woulda been nice to flip

[quick stag]

good luck with that

trade chat is so annoying

[runic bane]

Eh yeah but I’m patient

[quick stag]

and by annoying i mean
nobody dm's me

then again myb i set prices too high but i doubt it

[runic bane]

Yeah I usually either set it 20% above base or if I wanna sell shit fast 20% below

[quick stag]

i just eyeball it based on prices i see in warframe.market

[runic bane]

Yeah so rn I’m just selling it for 800p

Since idrc about making extra plat on it since I have enough kuva to buy another basic one and flip it

Damn like zero people wanna buy sobek rivens

[quick stag]

on god

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/GvN3O7Na0AAS6eD.gif

[runic bane]

Sobek with multi shot and fire rate for 25,000p…

[quick stag]

you should get it

[calm fiber]

oh I JUST woke up

we were not at ALL on the same schedule this time LMFAO

as soon as I get kunai incarnon and get this tonkor juiced up I'm gonna get that build put together from the reddit. gonna mmake maybe three variations on it depending on what the final version of this koumei augment looks like

[quick stag]

2 days left

[zenith forge]

You were right earlier, we need to crash that website

[quick stag]

the guy added archon shard maker

[zenith forge]

Ah hell nah lmao

It'd be cool if we had a extra few shard types by combining the already combined ones with whatever base shard isn't responsible for the combo

Like blue with a orange, a red with a green, or a yellow with a purple

That's the only feasible way I could see them expanding shards tbh

Probably could do like a White, grey, black color theme and call em like Radiant, twilight, abyss shards

[quick stag]

yeah

[zenith forge]

They'd have to get real creative with upgrades tho

[quick stag]

1.5% range

[zenith forge]

I feel like they could prolly do a few more "ability faction damage mods via hitting enemies with a certain element" thing

Honestly I want some weird shit

Like -30% aim glide gravity, where if you stack over 100% you start to float up

Shit like that

[quick stag]

they should give combined elements shard effects

[zenith forge]

Oh nah nah nah

Better-er idea

Shard effect that makes it so your weapon elements don't combine

Or like it parces out your weapon modding

Something like that

So like make the base shard take 20% of each combined element on any given weapon and (effectively) add an extra mod that applies pure base elements that are non combining after modding

So like

If I have 100 blast damage on my weapon (20% heat, 80%cold) and I have that shard on my frame, my weapon gains a extra 20% damage that's comprised of 4% heat, and 16% cold

Where it gets fun is if it also accounts for combined elemental infusion abilities like thermal transfer

All of the sudden with one base shard that, hypothetical 150% base bonus effectively gets to double dip

Because it's a extra damage multiplier

Granted probably the biggest problem with that idea is it just makes nourish even better-er

Honestly tho I could see it being not a terribly huge issue cause there are probably people who are more concerned with using nourish as energy management/auto priming enemies with retaliatory viral instead of the actual viral weapon damage

And even then you have to commit to dual elements and even so in that case it's the type of thing where running those shards would actually hurt debilitate setups, because you're technically proccing less dual statuses per second to benefit from debilitate

But, inversely it'd be a effect that works on all weapons, if you have combo elems, and is almost a diet debilitate

Oh also also, uniquely itd scale better based on how many dual status effects you could put on one weapon

So like, something like the phage could get huge gains off it cause it comes with base viral, and if you minmax can get:
Viral (innate)
Corrosive (combo)
Blast (combo)
Mag (mag mod)
Rad (rad mod)

So that bonus from shards would be applied FIVE TIMES

And the funny part is the inherent base elements would end up combining amongst themselves

So like assuming everything in this equation is treated as a pure 50/50 (inherents/forced comboes prolly would default to pure 50/50 anyways)

That's 10% in
Cold/toxin
Toxin/elec
Heat/cold
Cold/elec
Heat/elec

Which added comes out to additve ratios of:
30% cold
30% elec
20% heat
20% heat

Course the mat is prolly gonna be skewed somewhat cause the innate viral is treated as base damage which means all the other mods scale off it

But still the additive ratios should be similar

Very interesting idea for a shard that kinda inherently encourages a alternative way to mod

[zenith forge]

I'm ngl I do no care about nightwave at this point

I got all the levels and am sitting on 250ish store creds I'm good lmao

[quick stag]

i need more

MORE

MORE NITAIN EXTRACT

any ways

does xata whispers work with mesa regulators?

[zenith forge]

It should

It works on Titania guns

[quick stag]

mesa regulators with blast

[quick stag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfggExP1JcY

[quick stag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT-ch90rnMk

RAAAARGH

I NEED TO SEE HUNHOW

[zenith forge]

Honestly really funny idea

Quincy boutta be like "yo drifter 20 bucks you cant beat amir in a race" to get a twofer

[quick stag]

actually
is gauss faster than volt?

on default settings probably

[zenith forge]

Amirs ass is NOT min maxing str

[quick stag]

but there are only so many ways to increase sprint speed

[zenith forge]

Unrelated

Its BULLSHIT the yellow shards don't have more movement related options

[zenith forge]

Either way I'd assume a min maxxed gauss beats whatever mods amir is running on

...do they even have access to mods???

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[zenith forge]

I'd trade those two fuckass orb effeciency passives for more sprint speed/aim glide any day of the fucken week

[quick stag]

imagine 5 tau shards with 15% sprint speed

[zenith forge]

They don't even work with equilibrium!