Warframe

[zenith forge]

I thought about that but I'm not sure who'd even want that

Cause like
You have to give up
-your helminth slot
-a modslot
-a arcane slot

For effectively a slightly weaker blind rage and a fleeting expertise minus the negative duration

Maybe sevagoth but he generally likes nourish/roar better to ensure he can do the instakill aura

[quick stag]

oh

i mistook decoy for specter

yeah this shit is ass

i thought it meant you had to have spectr warframe with decoy and damage augment

[zenith forge]

No augments don't work on specters

It could be useful I just dunno on who

[quick stag]

loki

[zenith forge]

Ig lol but when does he even want higher str and effeciency?

He has the advantage of not needing the helminth ig but still

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https://tenor.com/view/xqc-wow-clapping-xqc-clapping-xqc-wow-gif-18258764

[quick stag]

getting the most dogshit rivens

i got 2 sagek rivens

almsot back to back

looks pretty good right?

but then you test it and it only adds 5 IPS statuses

[zenith forge]

Evil and fucked up gotva prime

It has base 30% Crit iirc?

[quick stag]

yeah

but that doesnt matter

once you hit yellow crits you have set 6% IPS status chance

[zenith forge]

It's sad shit like enervate is on a per hit basis and not per status basis

[quick stag]

wasnt that a bug?

[zenith forge]

Idfk lol

[quick stag]

iirc that s why blast enervate was so good

cuz every blast proc would stack enervate

[zenith forge]

Well that's blast being blast

Blast internally is coded as a second weapon hit

[quick stag]

anyways iam transmutating them
i dont want to see them ever again

[zenith forge]

That's why blast xatas whisper is strong

[quick stag]

should i keep twin grakatas riven?

is there a funny build for it?

[zenith forge]

Lemme see

Probably could up the fire rate and reload speed for a bullet dump build

[quick stag]

these are the augments for it

[zenith forge]

I think those are only for the primary lol

Sadly

[quick stag]

yeah

iam gonna check

[zenith forge]

I think the twins have augs

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/mads-mikkelsen-angry-mad-mirror-riders-of-justice-gif-10147858203116866004

[quick stag]

i dont see it

[zenith forge]

Damn

I thought wrong

If there was a secondary Hunter munitions thatd help em a shitton

[quick stag]

abysmall dogshit

finally somethign normal

[zenith forge]

That's actually a really good knell riven

Cause iirc each hit of multi adds a stack to its buff separately

Im still kinda annoying they didn't make the peringale just a primary knell

[quick stag]

like, having 100% ammo efficiency?

[zenith forge]

Both have that as a gimmick but knells is generally more usable imo

Each headshot on the knell gives 2S of 100% effeciency

But you can hold up to 3 stacks

Peringale either needs to get 4 shots in a burst or a headshot kill for one singles stack lasting 4 seconds

[calm fiber]

I need to throw dice and pray I get a hate riven

[zenith forge]

I think I have one

[zenith forge]

Ha!

[quick stag]

i got this that i dont use cuz i dont like sycthe

stances dont feel fun

[zenith forge]

Real

[quick stag]

i like heavy scythe but it is attack speed meta so they are bums

[zenith forge]

That one incarnon heavy scythe is pretty good

[quick stag]

unless DE cooks up a melee mod that benefits default/slower attack speed it will stay like that

like, locked attack speed but you get buffs or smth

[zenith forge]

A cannonande style mod would be cool on melees

[quick stag]

ye

[zenith forge]

Huge attack boost and range boost maybe

[quick stag]

honestly

DE did a good job making combat and mod system haveing so many facets

[zenith forge]

But the problem is then that faster weapons get innately more value

[quick stag]

czu with every system they add, they add another multiplicitave to amount of mods they can design

[zenith forge]

Real honestly

I wan more weird shit tho

Like shivering contagion

And stuff like that

[quick stag]

its inevitable

[zenith forge]

lowkey I'm kinda pissed primary debilitate is a arcane and not a mod cause genuinely if you could stack that with shit like frostbite it that'd be awesome

[quick stag]

cold addict

get help

[zenith forge]

The forbidden slushie

[quick stag]

yooooo

imagine another element

water

nah thats too simple

wait

wait

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We need a void weapon

[quick stag]

blast is just water

[zenith forge]

Or I want one at least

[quick stag]

cuz you add heat and cold

[zenith forge]

Pressure washer

Rapidly heat ice to instantly turn it to steam

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-wojak-soyjak-soy-jak-truth-gif-10540901418861964264

[zenith forge]

Massive boom

[quick stag]

but yeah, i dont think DE will add another element

system is way too stable for it to be good

it would just be a mess

[zenith forge]

Since we've steadily getting dual element mods the last few latches whattya think is next?

We got rad and mag so far

[quick stag]

wierd shit ,thats what

i highly doubt they will make viral mod

[zenith forge]

If we get a viral mod ist either just gonna be 60 viral flat, or have negatives I feel like

[quick stag]

there is only one and its for bronco

[quick stag]

i dont think they are gonna do even that

[zenith forge]

Low-key I want more corrupted mods

[quick stag]

sinlge viral mod is just that powerful

[zenith forge]

And also they should buff the existing corrupted mods

[quick stag]

i want DE to fix secondary mods

[zenith forge]

In what regard?

[quick stag]

one moment

look at this differance

[zenith forge]

Personally I want them to fix corrupted mods cause the disparity between some of em is bullshit

[quick stag]

Excatly

[zenith forge]

Like the normal and corrupted shotgun fire rate mods are the same

But the corrupted yoinked 15% dmg

[quick stag]

amazing isnt it

[zenith forge]

Like going by the rifle fire rate mods it's 60/90

The 90 having -15 dmg

I think the biggest worst case tho is the secondary base g corrupted mod

[quick stag]

it would probably be part of bigger project, that comes with every major update in small bits

[zenith forge]

It has 16 drain
-55% accuracy

But only 165% base dmg

The normal mod gets 220

Cannonade gets 300

[quick stag]

cuz if they are gonna fix these examples you are providing then they shouldnt ignore all the useless mods that exist

[zenith forge]

Yeah I feel like alot of more niche mods should generally be brought up to snuff

[quick stag]

They should do it along side warframe reworks

cuz they will run out of warframes to rework eventually

[zenith forge]

Primed fast hands and mag warp should be at AT LEAST 100% Each when the new fucken rad/mag mods get you nearly as much QoL for half as much, WITH EXTRA DMG

[quick stag]

Yeah

[zenith forge]

Primed mag warp and primed fast hands at a hundred would IMMEDIATELY make shit like plated rounds worth considering

I feel like something's you can leave

[quick stag]

yeah its actually a crime that a PRIMED magazine mod doesnt double your mag

[zenith forge]

Like base point blank being at 90, cause shotguns multi scales higher

[quick stag]

yeah

[zenith forge]

And there's the primed for 165

I'd love for a universal bane mod

Cap it at like 15% normally

Then let the prime go up to 30%

[quick stag]

Perhaps

wait

nvm

[zenith forge]

Nah cause like that way the universal is always half as effective as the primed version

[quick stag]

makes sense

[zenith forge]

So no matter what you'll get more DMG out of the primed correct bane

[quick stag]

prime was 1.55 right?

[zenith forge]

But if you don't wanna fuck with it you can take the dmg cut for convenience

[zenith forge]

about half

[quick stag]

obv

30 is a cool, nice number

[zenith forge]

And it makes the primed universal bane as good as he normal not primed banes

So if you wanna save on mod capacity you can

Also shout out to seeking fury for being ass

15% reload on a weapon type with a 5 drain 60/40 cold/reload mod and a 100% reload prime mod is a fucken joke, and the 1.2 punch through is barely worth it

Shred is a pretty good base mod cause you basically get a free half n half of punch through and fire rate

So why the fuck
Does seeking fury get a QUARTER of the reload of tactical pump?!?

[quick stag]

thats why

2015

[zenith forge]

Fuuuuuuuuck

Yeah they need to go back and tune up some of these mods

[quick stag]

need a dual coda torxica riven?

oh damn

[zenith forge]

Got one lol

Only think I'm looking for is vinquibus melee riv

[quick stag]

i finished opening all my rivens

no luck

[zenith forge]

Faaaaah

[quick stag]

paris status chance is kinda funny

almost as funny as strun's

[zenith forge]

Best part is bows don't care if the shot kills, they'll still apply status

So blast/gas bow good

[quick stag]

yup

daikyu blast my beloved

[zenith forge]

Man this reminds me

The lenz fucks

Forced cold proc aoe baybee

[quick stag]

oh right

i got a riven for it

but i have not built it i think

[zenith forge]

Wait and buy prisma

50% CC

[quick stag]

i already have it

wut da hell

i thought you were overexaggerating

[zenith forge]

No yeah it fucks

The forced cold proc means you can slap on shivering contagion and frostbite and you're set

Firestorm is nice for the extra bowhomp

[quick stag]

yummers

[quick stag]

holy moly

which one would be better?

[zenith forge]

Ooooo that's rough

I think DMG and multi

[quick stag]

i see

[zenith forge]

Cause Crit tiers give deminishing effects as is and ideally you run frostbite for CD anyways

Damage is always nice, especially on a frostbite setup

And multi shoots more projectiles

So faster ramp on frostbite

[quick stag]

yeah

[zenith forge]

That's a really good riven tho

[quick stag]

I wish i had my warframe luck in real life

[calm fiber]

wanna swap for it?

just lmk what you want and if I can provide I'd be happy to take that off your hands; I got kuva for days

[zenith forge]

The glorious
K U V A

[quick stag]

50 plat

[calm fiber]

deal

you around rn?

[quick stag]

yeah

[calm fiber]

booting up

[quick stag]

leveing lenz and corufell

[calm fiber]

so hype for corufell prime

plz de

do I already have you on my friends list in warframe? I can't ever keep straight who's who

any chance you're Druvix? lmao

[quick stag]

next priem is probably styanax

[quick stag]

Thats me

[calm fiber]

I play the long game

invite fired off

[quick stag]

keep inviting

[calm fiber]

I refuse to spend the plat to rename myself lmao

[quick stag]

when i returned to warframe i wanted to change it but decided not to

now its a memento of my childhood username

[calm fiber]

my clan leader insists we can't put trading posts in the entrance area because we already have one elsewhere and it makes me want to wring his neck

[quick stag]

Yeah me too

[calm fiber]

thanks for this btw, sure you don't want any relics or anything too?

I checked riven.market earlier and gave up because the only hate relic under 300 plat was 2 months old lmao

and there is no world I pay more than 50 plat for a jank riven no matter the weapon

[quick stag]

if you want to give me some i wont say no

[calm fiber]

I'm so deep in I don't know what's worth anything anymore lmao

you're legend 6 tho so you probably don't exactly have a lot you're missing anymore either huh

[quick stag]

any relic is good

i need as many relics as i can get

[calm fiber]

I'm down to like, complete the steel path star chart, 3 specific primes I don't care about, and like some companions lmao

fr?

[quick stag]

i spend all my syndicate standing on relic packs

[calm fiber]

bet, I gotta go like nownow but hit me up later I'll have something for you

[quick stag]

sure

[calm fiber]

look at how pretty that is

it even matches my last polarity

[quick stag]

thats heat

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Warframe/s/AkW4OphPpk

10k plat easily

[zenith forge]

Oh that reminds me I rolled a racist riven but I ended up not taking it cause the downside

[quick stag]

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Got the screenshot tho

Somewhere on my steam

[quick stag]

man paris really slaps

[zenith forge]

https://youtu.be/3To4APsPP-c?si=td7tvUe3f8YvDnTH

[quick stag]

this shit is so ASS

iam gonna cry

is it worth it?

[zenith forge]

I mean if you run lethal torrent it's basically free

Also it can run semi cannonade iirc

[quick stag]

can it?

its a secondary

[zenith forge]

It is a semi

There's a secondary version of that mod

[quick stag]

oh

oh shit

yeah iam taking it

[zenith forge]

There's the shotgun one
Rifle one
And pistol

[quick stag]

cuz these are insane positive rolls

feels pretty good

me fr right now

[quick stag]

holy moly

[zenith forge]

Damn

[quick stag]

That is the word of the guy who was hated
By the god of failure

ive spent 1mil kuva in last few days

thsi is bad

iam getting addicted

[zenith forge]

https://youtu.be/AhosTiBLm0U?si=NwCigleC6_UP_MA5

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-skull-skull-skull-spinning-spin-spinning-gif-9100477621967381038

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There shouldn't be a weekly limit on the relic packs

[quick stag]

this method wont work for me cuz i cant get benadryl

[zenith forge]

For the old kuva relics

[quick stag]

ah

[zenith forge]

You'll have to sub crack cocaine

[quick stag]

i dont need kuva

yet

i still got 1.8mil

[zenith forge]

I forget how much kuva I've spent on rivens

All I know is I have a Corinth riven at 1350 some odd rolls

Over 4.5 mil kuva on that riv alone and it's still not even that good

Got another one
30 rolls, free viral and CC at the cost of SC iirc

That shit pissed me off lmao

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-skull-skull-skull-spinning-spin-spinning-gif-9100477621967381038

[quick stag]

gh

the fuck

i cant upload a picture

Saryns set price has risen by almost 15p in last 90 days

[quick stag]

i onyl just noticed that DE are making accesories for their deluxe skins and putting them in nightwave

[quick stag]

god i love lich weapons

[quick stag]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Warframe/s/eraokoNc3K

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-skull-skull-skull-spinning-spin-spinning-gif-9100477621967381038

[quick stag]

i cant decide if i should sell my saryn sets or wait some more

[calm fiber]

why not split the difference and sell one

[quick stag]

what?

[calm fiber]

you asked if you should sell your sets or wait some more

sets plural

sell one

instead of all/none

[quick stag]

hmm

[calm fiber]

if the price hikes, you ONLY sold one. if the price drops, at least you sold one!

[quick stag]

thing is

price shouldnt drop

last saryn resurgence was in february

[calm fiber]

oh well in that case hoard

[safe gull]

Damn Ivara sucks

[zenith forge]

Wait

[zenith forge]

Don't you like the grimoire?

[safe gull]

No I am not running a grimoire on Ivara

[zenith forge]

https://youtu.be/K44CuCkabYs?si=IBGAbNIiN1QY5S1W

But

But the orb

The orb of death

[safe gull]

Yes I am running a grimoire on Ivara

Where the fuck am I getting a grimiore riven

[zenith forge]

Get lucky if on secondary pulls ig

That's how I got mine at least

[quick stag]

i will sell when mesa heirloom comes

i need dat

buh.?

[calm fiber]

that's definitely true when playing wisp :)

[zenith forge]

play excel again for alerts
Has persistence on it
Do well
. : )
Randomly get one shot
. : (

[quick stag]

magnetic jumpscare

[zenith forge]

Whoever thought making the anti shield status turn off a health tanking arcane needs to reconsider some things

Also the fact a arcane getting nullified

[quick stag]

insert that Pablo tweet
''What balance?

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Exaaaaaaaaactly

Bruh it's ridiculous

[quick stag]

i still have fanart of it from the initial hype
let me get it

should have increased the armour requirament

so that you have to build a lot of armour and you cant really make it work for hybrid build

[zenith forge]

Low-key I feel like it should be a double conditional if they REALLY wanna make it so it can get turned off (still stupid as fuck)

Like if it gets shut off you should get your shields back or SOMETHING

[quick stag]

yeah

what is this

oh its rebbeca bullying her boss

[calm fiber]

my beloathed

[calm fiber]

I've never looked, what's it like over there

[quick stag]

like region chat but even more misinformation

[zenith forge]

If we ever get gauss proto he needs to power up DBZ style whenever he hits redline and have the hair spike up, it'd be peak cinema

Cause like he wouldn't have the helmet to transform like normal gauss

[safe gull]

-# Well if the hive mind would've spent more on general appeal and humanization maybe more single minded beings would've joined it
Spoken like true orokin!

[zenith forge]

"get in the hive mind dork"-ball ass
Probably

[quick stag]

hmm

who shall be blessed

saryn would be cool, cuz she gets comfy as fuck with additional 100% duration

[quick stag]

looks like its gonna be chroma

[zenith forge]

Chromaxxing

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i only need 2 more peely pix to max

and i have done almost every ETA since launch

[zenith forge]

Erm what the sigma

Were you buying extra packs

[quick stag]

only recently

cuz i just get 5 back almost always

you get 1 pix chip per duplicate

[zenith forge]

How much to buy the pack

[quick stag]

10

gambling innit

[zenith forge]

Ok so so if you get 5 back that's halfway to a reroll

[quick stag]

yeah

[zenith forge]

Ngl I feel like you are genuinely better off grinding arcanes to melt down and transmute for the legendary archimedia arcanes

[quick stag]

true

i do not like time-gated content farms

[zenith forge]

Time gated annoying content

[quick stag]

What? It's not annoying!
Just build everything you have in your arsenal!

[calm fiber]

I wish they would let me run an 8 hour survival and walk out with 8 random archon shards

[zenith forge]

And get lucky that they don't pick the weapons/frames you don't have on hand

[calm fiber]

wait

they can pick weapons you don't own???

[quick stag]

first row is always something you have

i know a min maxer who only built smth if it was good/meta

and he always had smth good in loadout

[zenith forge]

Still 1/3 garanteed is unexscuable when you can so easily get fucked over by modifiers as is

[calm fiber]

eh

with how warframe is, you only need a single good weapon and/or good warframe

[quick stag]

Just sell everything and leave revenat/torid/toxicyst/glaive prime

[zenith forge]

If they gave me a rental weapon like duviri maybe

[calm fiber]

it's why deep archimedea is kinda a joke

you COULD be worried, or you could bring dante

[quick stag]

yup
also cuz the last reward is pathetic

[zenith forge]

My problem is that I'm punished for NOT doing this and trying to experiment with other weapons

[quick stag]

so you always have 1 option flexible

[quick stag]

they cant make content any harder without doing some follie hunt shit

only other option is random gear

[zenith forge]

Because I have a lot of weapons lying around I like to try and do funny things with I am punished reflexively because that can be one of my guaranteed slots

[quick stag]

i wonder what DE have thought to remedy that

[zenith forge]

I get that, but all the options available should be pulled from shit I currently own

[quick stag]

follie hunt is a experiment for future gamemodes

[quick stag]

True!

I agree with that

[zenith forge]

Low-key I feel like the best endgame adjacent mode they've made thus far is descendia

[quick stag]

i dont know
rewards are kinda shit for it to be the best

[zenith forge]

Adding modifiers you have to play around is WAY better conceptually

[quick stag]

ETA is stll better cuz the tier 2 shards

[zenith forge]

That's the shitty part
The best balanced mode of difficulty:fun has doodoo rewards

[quick stag]

But only looking at fun factor its railjack skirmish void storms

[quick stag]

rewards should stay the same but increased in volume

[calm fiber]

I love descendia and the uh, what's it

perita

[zenith forge]

Perita is interesting

I'll admit I kinda burned myself out on the mode cause of the event

But its interesting

[quick stag]

Perite is good
The better and more effecient team you have, the better rewards

[calm fiber]

they're trying different ways to create challenge

"do as MUCH as possible as FAST as possible" is an interesting way to do that

[quick stag]

True

I like it

I wish they polished railjack solo experiance

cuz nobody wants to play that

and if some do, they dont know what to do and i have to explain team roles every time i try to make a team from randoms

[zenith forge]

Low-key theres two main things I think that would make perita way better

Give you multiple orders simultaneously
And make it so each individual order doesn't take longer if you play in a squad

If you could have teams multitask that'd be way better than what the mode has currently

If I had to pick one the multiplayer one is definitely more important imo, I feel like adding more things you have to do to a objective fundamentally betrays the advantage you get from multiplayer

Like running shrine defense is terribly in multiplayer because the phase before the oni takes way longer if you have 4 people

You go from needing 30 kills, to 60,90,120 to spawn the fucker

Why do that when I could solo as vauban to get optimal offering times and kill the big bugger asap??

[quick stag]

yea it should be 30/40/50/60

[zenith forge]

Yeah if that

(me playing recent monster hunter gives me a massive bias against multiplayer scaling difficulties)

And it's mostly because that type of scaling leads to situations where playing in multiplayer is actually detrimental

[zenith forge]

Like probably the best Warframe example of it is capture

Let's say it takes me a minute to run up to a cap target, get him, and then extract, then let's say I'm playing with a newer player who takes 2 minutes to do the same mission

Assuming I play as well as I normally do and the newbie plays as well as they do, the mere act of me playing with them is suboptimal

[quick stag]

yup

[zenith forge]

Cause in that time it takes them to get to extraction, I could literally be done with another capture

[quick stag]

while fastest meso/neo/axi relic farm is disruptions
fastest lith relic farm is solo void capture

[quick stag]

disruption is a perfect example

[zenith forge]

Low-key I feel like disruption is probably the best endless mode for that sort of thing

Cause if everyone locks in you can crack em SUPER fast

[quick stag]

and even if your teammates are bums and frauds
you can still do it at your own pace

[zenith forge]

Literally 4X as fast assuming everyone can do their own conduit as fast as each other

[zenith forge]

Right no matter what you'll probably save time

[calm fiber]

but what you're comparing is a circumstance where the top skill level is what's determining completion time to one where the lowest of the team is

and the thing is, if you're playing with three titanias who know what they're doing, the difference in speed will be negligible at best

the newbie's getting an only slightly faster version than what they'd get solo

[quick stag]

so fast you dont get enough reactant

[calm fiber]

like, the new player is not going to learn how to navigate a map swiftly if the map ends as soon as anyone makes it to extraction

[zenith forge]

Right that's kind of my issue

If you're good you're dragged down by worse players, and if you aren't as good you only see a minor bump

Take disruption instead

[calm fiber]

I don't think people who don't know what they're doing getting dragged across a finish line at breakneck speed is a good thing

is my thing

that's how you get ff14's playerbase LMAO

[zenith forge]

Even if you have 1 goated player and three bums, odds are the good player will see some time saved because their teammates did something, whereas the bums will see a massive time save because the one guy is cracking along at his normal pace

[zenith forge]

And like admittedly capture is also kind of a bad example because it's a mode predicated on going fast right, so obviously if you wanna crack em out fast you run solo right

The problem I have is that balancing carries over to modes that it should not, like shrine defense, like open world bounties, and perita

The mere act of playing with other people makes the objectives take longer

Like shrine defense I maybe get a bit cause like it's a early node, you wanna let the slower players get some licks in or whatever

But perita is a neigh endgame mode that actively punishes you for playing with others with longer objectives

And that's my issue

Fuckem the archimedias do it!

If you solo que they get normal SP modifiers

If you're in a team hey get more and more defense/HP buffs depending on the amount

That's compounded by the fact (at the faculty of neither you or your teammate) they get stuck playing a powerless, abilities abbreviated, lethargic shields, gear embargo banshee with their best (and possibly only available) weapons being the baza, akvasto, and ankyros

So the hp you have to munch through effectively got compounded

Your teams overall DPS got increased by 25% but the enemies ehp got bumped 50%

So you're at a 25% deficit

[quick stag]

i dont have exergis??

[zenith forge]

Shame that's actually a pretty good shotgun

[quick stag]

tenet exergis when

[zenith forge]

NOT SOON ENOUGH

[quick stag]

nah let have 5th quanta

[zenith forge]

Coda mutalist quanta

[quick stag]

https://giphy.com/gifs/whos-we-there-is-no-1gTuIES9nnq0fJyoZm

[zenith forge]

I want a tenet opticor that has a explosion AoE on hit and it ricochets the blast itself

Imagine like the tenet arcaplasmor but charge and more explosive

For the base stats it is literally just the best of the vandal and normal

[quick stag]

OH but i do have arca scisco

priorities

also

qorvex propaganda never stops

second qorvex in a row

[zenith forge]

"quorvex, irradiate the murmurs void balls"

[quick stag]

its been month and a half since my last red tau shard from ETA/EDA

[zenith forge]

Orange

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/mads-mikkelsen-angry-mad-mirror-riders-of-justice-gif-10147858203116866004

[quick stag]

probably most fun NW challange

[calm fiber]

I wish I liked the quanta because I'dbe fucking spoiled for choice

[quick stag]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Warframe/s/71dmcp5yi7

[zenith forge]

Cool

[safe gull]

I really love how all the support frames complement eachother:

• Wisp has highest raw health/attck_speed/speed buff but lacks any DR
• Citrine has 90% DR/Status/Forced 300% crit but lacks health
• Trinity has the best defense with 75%dr/energy+health regen but has 0 dmg
• Oberon has delete this eximus button and defense strip but his armor is luckluster without any health

And then there the Birb with his 300k overguard

[zenith forge]

Also Oberon comes with diet free Mesmer skin

[safe gull]

Yeah and both trinity with oberon have a cheat death mechanic

[quick stag]

Nova heirloom fan concept

[zenith forge]

Lmao

The anti heirloom heirloom

[safe gull]

Would buy the nanosecond it comes out

[quick stag]

she looks so cute

gyaru type shit

[zenith forge]

Cinema

[safe gull]

We need MORE warframes with jackets and shit

[zenith forge]

Cinema

Arcgun supremacy

[zenith forge]

Warframe introduces plains of eidolon
Nerfs chroma vex armor (multiplicative>base) out of fear he'd kill the eidolon too fast
Half a decade or so goes by
Eidolons are neiche content, the people who run them consistently can tridolon faster than most people can run normal capture missions
Look at the meta
Chroma isn't even top 3

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/keith-lee-morgan-freeman-true-nxt-wwe-gif-1698026969390630772

[zenith forge]

I love how chroma is made to be the single target frame but he's not even the best at it anymore

He should love superbosses but the Omni negate bullshit don't let him do his thing lol

[zenith forge]

I feel like I'm missing a joke here

I get the capture reference

[quick stag]

have you ever seen trumans show?

[zenith forge]

Ohhhh

[quick stag]

the movie?

[zenith forge]

No

No I havent

[quick stag]

spoilers

[zenith forge]

I see

[quick stag]

you should check it out
its great

[zenith forge]

Me when the lotus hits me with that dollar store change of plans on a capture mission

[zenith forge]

Thraggin it

That's sick as hell

Hype and indeed aura

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

@zenith forge

lezn in da house tonight

new prime mod

[calm fiber]

Oh fuck

And it's heavy weapon too

God damn I need one

[zenith forge]

Already got lenz lol, but the new arch gun mod is nice

[calm fiber]

I neither know nor care what is or isn't valuable

however

if anyone would want any of these, or all of this, in exchange for that archgun mod, better it goes to you than baro IMO

[zenith forge]

Hmmm

I think I actually need the atlas neuros for a set lol

[calm fiber]

atlas is cool!

figured I'd offer because I literally cannot be bothered to min-max trade pricing anymore

[zenith forge]

I know , I mean like one to sell lmao

[quick stag]

if oyu give me those prime warframe partsa ill buy you the mod

wait

atlas prime neuroptics?

thats a 50p piece

😭

[calm fiber]

deal closed sadly

rogue slid on in

[quick stag]

you didnt give him atlas neuroptics right?

[calm fiber]

I'm giving him some other stuff for the mods I want yeah

[quick stag]

cool cool

[zenith forge]

GET BACK HERE @safe gull!!!
ROOOOOOOOOOOUGE!!!
YOU CANT ESCAPE ME!
ILL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH!!!

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-you-cant-escape-ill-chase-you-to-the-ends-of-the-earth-gif-16027185

Nah I'm bullshitting

[safe gull]

Krill issue

[zenith forge]

This is why I get for working on a Friday

Should've just called in

[quick stag]

got the velox augment

i might pull out my max strenght wisp

[zenith forge]

Im a few behind I think

[quick stag]

not bad
considering i have done every daily nightwave mission

[zenith forge]

I elect to ignore some dailies and the open world weeklies

[quick stag]

i kinda want to see how many credits i can get form one nightwave

nightwave credits

[quick stag]

Guilty Gear Blazing Pass, i just shit out my ass
Booted up my PC, 'cause i need, need
To get that Guilty Gear Blazing Pass

thoughts on it ?

[safe gull]

He did give me atlas neuroptics

[quick stag]

I cant belive you scammed him

😭

[safe gull]

He scammed ME out of a fish

Voruna of orokin street i tell you

[quick stag]

honestly this could give me the motivation to play daily and bait me into improving myself
cuz iam too lazy to do it on my own

[zenith forge]

Oh nah don't get me started

I fucken hate it

It pisses me off beyond compare

Admittedly it's essentially piss atop the shit sundae that's been the games design since s4 happened but it's really infuriating to have arcsys take the game, make it less fun (imo) and then go "battle pass to get cosmetics"

"oh by the way you have to give us more money if you want all of the rewards, btw it's time gated"

[quick stag]

well it is a battle pass

[zenith forge]

Worst part is I wouldn't even care if it didn't have anything I'd actually want but it's got the order Sol slab sword

[zenith forge]

It's a battle pass in a game I already spent a good amount of money on is my big issue

[quick stag]

oh right
characters arent cheap

[zenith forge]

The game wasn't cheap even

I bought the game on launch with the deluxe edition

Which was 80 right there

[quick stag]

damn

[zenith forge]

Then I bought a few dlc characters so I've spent around 90-100 bucks on the game

It just feels bad

[quick stag]

true

[zenith forge]

I'm genuinely at the point where I'm just kinda done with strive lol

Maybe I'll come back if they come back with a cool s3 adjacent patch that makes the game cool again, or they add order Sol or something but till then I'm not gonna bother

[quick stag]

omg mass effect haiiii

[zenith forge]

Starting to notice a trend here

[quick stag]

porn?

[zenith forge]

Less that, moreso the focus of it

[quick stag]

ah

its what i find while browsing reddit

iam a tits man

[zenith forge]

[calm fiber]

hugely agreed

and on my end I fucking hate this patch so I mean

yeah let me pay money so I can waste time having a bad experience to unlock things for a character I'll realistically speaking never play again

nah I'm good I wish I hadn't bought the season pass to begin with tbh that was a stupidass decision

[zenith forge]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-the-hedgehog-shadow-the-hedgehog-dap-up-dap-marvel-vs-capcom-gif-2748262281275379258

D1 strive haters

[runic bane]

did torid incarnon get a nerf since the last time i played? the radius after hitting the ground is like an inch

[quick stag]

Hahahahah

good one

[quick stag]

wait when was last time you played?

[quick stag]

daikyu PRIME riven disposition

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-skull-skull-skull-spinning-spin-spinning-gif-9100477621967381038

insane

[calm fiber]

Give it a bit, ain't nobody use that piece of shit

[quick stag]

wait

is the guy in background cephalon samodeus?

better thermite rounds

[runic bane]

6 months ago

[quick stag]

i dont remember any torid changes

[runic bane]

Maybe I just forgot to put on primed fire something something I forget what it’s called

Primed firestorm

[quick stag]

primed firestorm?

[runic bane]

Ye

[quick stag]

does it work on torid incarnon?

[runic bane]

Mhmm

[quick stag]

oh wait

i t does

[runic bane]

Increases the radius it can chain to targets

[quick stag]

cuz i remmeber there was a stupid ass argument how firestorm increases torids kills/min

[runic bane]

Ye some people use it some people don’t I usually take it off with stuff like void cascade where I’ll need more dmg focus

Oh god that reminds me I needa grind standing to get phenmor fuck

[quick stag]

mmmm

phenmor

i like that one

[quick stag]

good stuff

[quick stag]

this shit lives rent free in my head

its so fucking good

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-writing-fire-his-writing-is-fire-is-this-fire-hold-up-gif-15400153686296022809

i clearly remeber when jade shadows first came out and you got that message

i audibly laughed when i read
"I remain: The Great and Terrible Hunhow"

[runic bane]

Oh wait what incarnons are coming next week I still needa get me a good harrow primary like burston or something

[runic bane]

Oooooo ceramic dagger and boltor

[safe gull]

For harrow ideally you want smth that both exploits his static 50%/200% Crit chance buff on 4 with some ooph, you could go for:

• Coda Sporothrix (which is currently in rotation for max element) that has 5% crit chance but a meaty 3x multiplier
• Coda Bubonico which alt fire will benefit from it
  Otherwise dependable on how much you built for strenght on harrow (which is to say why wouldn't you, this guy drowns in energy) I suggest smth that alltogether skips ammo economy, be it:
• Knell
• Perigale
• Slapping Primary Crux on your primary

[zenith forge]

Primary Cruz plus ax-57 has a really funny synergy

[safe gull]

Otherwise Harrow is a flexible warframe that vibes with all weapons (as long as you don't mod for ROF to not overdraft your magazine)

[zenith forge]

The ammo effeciency for both add up instead of being multiplicative

[safe gull]

(Using melee on harrow is hilariously effective)

[zenith forge]

But you can't aim down sights

[safe gull]

(Like a very budget valkyr)

[safe gull]

You say it like it's a bad thing

[zenith forge]

It is for me cause I'm on controller and actually like aiming down sights

[safe gull]

That's a whammy
I play on a steamdeck and I would rather not aim

[zenith forge]

I have it set up so I use motion controls while aiming down sights to minority course correct

Genuinely it kicks ass and idek why

All that time I spent on the Wii as a lil bebeh boi is paying dividends lmao

[safe gull]

I cannot for the love of me put the motions in, so I stubbornly stagger with the joystick and 300% as wisp

I need to get myself a hound

Where do I jump a sister of Parvos out of her money?

[runic bane]

ye ik about all that

[safe gull]

-# Then be blessed in your understanding! (Personally Lex incarnon is solid af)

[runic bane]

ye but i already got dual toxos so im good for secondaries for him

honestly i needa make a build for my dual ichors for saryn i think theres some weird gas nuke u can do with it

[safe gull]

What is he even thinking when feeding tenno his sisters

[zenith forge]

I think I have some hound parts if you want em

[safe gull]

Don't need em

[zenith forge]

Aight lol

[safe gull]

But I appriciate the thought !❤️

[quick stag]

can you even trade them?

[zenith forge]

You can trade the parts

When you blow up a sister you get a whole hound and bits

[quick stag]

i didnt know you could

what the hell

is this what they call

untapped market?

on average 4 pieces gets sold a day

thats not that bad

whne i sell my saryn sets in need to invest in perfect hounds

i want to make the best setup for each hound playing for its strengths

and a riven for each hound weapon

oh my god

i just remembered

i havent finished last 4x4 vulpaphyla

no not vulpapyla

but predesite

[calm fiber]

ever since the companion rework I've been parked on a nautilus

my last two Really Big warframe projects are finishing out builds for every prime warframe I still haven't (that isn't DEFINITELY getting a rework) and actually putting builds together for, and learning the strengths of, ANY other companions

[safe gull]

The first power spike is baruuk
Second powerspike is fully built barruk
Third powerspike is fully built barruk with 4 tauforged crimson shards
Fourth powerspike spike is baruuk with 4 tauforged violet shards with primed flow

It's so funny seeing the damage attenuation on acolytes simply not matter when getting slapped with 500 mil tennokai

[runic bane]

Love buying a latron prime set after searching my inventory for any parts I already had and it turns out I had everything built besides the latron

74 plat down the drain

[zenith forge]

The last thing the stupidfuckingacolytes see when I drop my 400% powerstr baruuk on their stupid ass heads:

https://tenor.com/view/obelisk-god-hand-impact-yugioh-anime-movie-gif-1381218558042918519

(i modded for blast)

[runic bane]

anyone wanna latron prime set minus the latron bp lol

honestly i have relics for the bp imma just farm that for a bit then sell the set

[zenith forge]

Tangentially related to this I feel like melee duplicate rocks the acolytes shit in general

I think it might have to do with their damage attenuation not accounting for the fact duplicate essentially doubles your swing speed without actually applying any other stats to the weapon itself so maybe attenuation doesn't happen?? Smth like that, duplicate feels good vs DMG attenuation

[zenith forge]

Isn't the BP a common?

[runic bane]

nah its the rarest i think

goes for 28p

[zenith forge]

Damn

[runic bane]

wait is it vaulted?

[zenith forge]

Yes

[runic bane]

oh damn so i def better get that set complete

i wish they add another game mode that allows you to crack relics in bulk since they gotta realize by now ts takes soooooo long

idc if it ruins the markets it would be so much dopamine opening 10x at once

[zenith forge]

They probably won't because it'd ruin the market, my main issue is I wish we got more faster modes to run relics in, like the fact we don't have a omnia defense mission node is diabolical

The survival change is nice on paper but in execution it's super scuffed

[runic bane]

maybe an ltm mode would be nice since theyre fine with that stuff ruining the arcane markets for a bit

[zenith forge]

Probably the closest you'll get to rapid fire cracking is void cascade

With a good team you can get like 1 in a minute and a half or so which is really good

[runic bane]

ye but finding a good team for that on lfg chat is impossible

[zenith forge]

Only problem is you can accidentally optimize the mode too well and do two rotations back to back, and the optimal method makes getting the adequate void traces tight

[runic bane]

i dont even trust lfg chat for something simple like orokin cells

[zenith forge]

Low-key just shotgunning with a team of full randoms is fine if you bring a good frame like sevagoth for it

[runic bane]

ye but theres always the one guy with the sticks and stones build looking especially for stuff like relics

[zenith forge]

And unironically running a semi sub optimal team is sometimes better given the fact you can unironically accidentally go too fast lol

[runic bane]

ye for those missions i just run saryn sobek and it usually goes pretty quick but still only chips at the insane mountain of relics i have that ill never be able to crack

[zenith forge]

I feel like that's kind of the idea

At a certain point you're never gonna need to go grind relics to go actually do the relic missions* you only have to grind for the relics you actually want/need

*axi relis fucken suck and are annoyingly specific

[runic bane]

ye ig

[zenith forge]

I mean if you run something like a defense or endless mission you end up getting more relics as you crack them

So ultimately you're not going much into the net negative anyway

[runic bane]

ye my prob isnt that im losing relics its that im gaining to much

and i get burnt out so quickly trying to do long sessions of relic cracking

[calm fiber]

Stupid question time!

I'm still not caught up to the idea that blast is good now

I want to make a weapon or exalted or whatever to go as ham with blast as I can to really see what it's capable of

What's a good option

[runic bane]

i think torid

i remember it was good when blast was good before but idk how they changed it now

[quick stag]

toxin blast torid is good but you need external source of viral

aka nourish

[zenith forge]

Chromatic exaulted blade influence excal

get chromatic blade
Set emissive color to blue for zappies
Mod blade with 60/60 heat, cold, electricity mods
Win

Additionally you can subsume over 1/2/3 to flavor with nourish (viral+energy management) OR Xatas whisper because blast (via spaghetti code) is technically classed as another hit from your weapon directly so blast dmg going kaboom procs an extra hit from Xata

Alternatively a high status shotgun/gun that has a high fire rate+ explosive rounds are both really good for it cause you can rack up stacks

Exergis with blast is straight up ignorant with how high it's base Status chance is with a innate 3 multishot

As for bullet hose guns Trumna is very nice because it has:
-innate heat so really if you wanna save on mod space just running one cold mod gets you blast
-high SC
-explosive rounds
-ability to say "fuck that guy in particular" with the alt fire nuke, which is basically a mini on kill incarnon

Oh also beams
Beams fucken love blast
Convectrix and amprex eat breath and shit status procs, hell the fucken phage is pretty viable with it cause it's innate viral lets it get away with some devious shit

(granted I like using debilitate phage because there's something hilariously evil about proccing literally every element under the sun because I'm bored)

((blast doesn't play nice with debilitate))

[zenith forge]

I gotta go get a tenet spirex

Semi pistol
Forced impact proc on direct hit
40% SC
Fire rate under 3.5 by default

Slap an impact progenitor on there with viral 60% mods, cannonade and that secondary impact 90/60% SC mod with internal bleeding and it's gonna hit like a truck

https://tenor.com/view/sanjiclops-vash-trigun-vash-the-stampede-gun-gif-14736973867624562148

Surely nothing will go wrong

[quick stag]

TRIGUN MENTIONED
LOVE AND PEACE

[zenith forge]

LOVE AND PEACE

https://tenor.com/view/trigun-trigun-1998-vash-wolfwood-gif-16599656913502294885

Not a huge anime guy but trigun really is really good

[quick stag]

manga is so ballin

one of my top 10 sci fi media

[zenith forge]

Top cut cinema

[quick stag]

distilling extractor prime is in resurgence

[zenith forge]

Yep

[quick stag]

slightly tempting

[zenith forge]

Perfectly buyable with one of them aya thingy maboobs you get from the tennocon relay ticket

[quick stag]

i already have 1 regal aya

but like

i think ill save it for orbiter prime

[zenith forge]

There's also titan extractor prined

The only areas I'd need extractors for (duviri, labs ((Stella specifically lol)), any open world, and 1999) are ironically the only areas you CANT use em in lmao

Man imagine if you could set extractors in open world areas and just not have to engage with em nearly as much

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-21446496

[quick stag]

Suffer

[zenith forge]

Genuinely don't have the xata subsume yet cause I can't be asked to go grind Deimos

also chroma can't stack it with vex armor which is saddening

[calm fiber]

What's it for

[quick stag]

you can put it on any planet for passive(ish) resource gain

there is also regular versions

[calm fiber]

Right but the prime changes what

[quick stag]

this

[calm fiber]

Ah

[zenith forge]

It's slightly better

[calm fiber]

Do they still blow up if you're too slow

Did they ever change that

[zenith forge]

No they blow up if you don't cycle them

[calm fiber]

Yeah like too slow to swap them out right

[zenith forge]

So like you can let it sit I think

[zenith forge]

But if you keep sending the same one out like 5 times it's gonna blowup

[calm fiber]

What do you need from 1999???

[calm fiber]

Oh I should use those

[zenith forge]

Nothing really I just have less of those resources

[quick stag]

you should do ETA

😼

[zenith forge]

I'd rather not

[calm fiber]

I think I have the most tailback then duviri then 1999

Tails k

Fuck you phone

Rail

Jack

[quick stag]

Tailback

[zenith forge]

ETA/EDA is genuinely just not worth it imo

[quick stag]

But The Shards
The SHARDS

[calm fiber]

I need shards so fuckin bad

[zenith forge]

The rat race of "do three missions flawlessly, with RNG gear" really grates on you after a while

I do netracells because I can basically just sit back and just vibe through em

[calm fiber]

I mean just do it twice with someone carrying you then carry them, no?

[zenith forge]

It's no biggy

[zenith forge]

Well you actually would end up doing it 4 times if you include eda but yeah theoretically

But also getting carried feels bummish

[calm fiber]

That's why YOU also carry THEM :)

We all lift together

[zenith forge]

Low-key if they made ETA/EDA not a "best of" tiered system but rather a cumulative thing then my opinion on the mode would entirely 180

Maybe make it like night wave where "prestige-ing" the weekly gets you more vosfor so you can unironically grind it out

[calm fiber]

I think it'd be neat if it was do a clear on a rule = complete that rule

Hypothetically do it with all but 5 settings then do those 5 next time

[zenith forge]

That's also a decent idea

Really I feel like the content they tell you to run once a week ends up becoming more like a chore and that sucks

I do netracells cause that has like the best time investment to reward ratio

I go in
Grab my 5 drops (worst case scenario is melee adaptors which isn't terrible) and I'm done in maybe half a hour or so

[quick stag]

just rewatched jade shadows constallation trailer again

https://youtu.be/ANEVlCEpRaA?si=GL5opLjhO3kUAHsl

chills

i cant wait for
THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE
HUNHOW

alsp devstream this friday

[zenith forge]

Fuuuuuck fr???

[quick stag]

woat mp

wait no

i cant read

next week is 29th

[zenith forge]

Hunhow is peak angry gramps

[quick stag]

i almsot pinged everyone

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[zenith forge]

Baldis I may have to obliterate you with vauban 3

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/hotline-miami-gif-27666767

[zenith forge]

I play Warframe I thinkthe answer is obvious

Go go gadget eyeball fryer 9000

[quick stag]

FUCK

[zenith forge]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-kingdom-of-the-crystal-skull-alien-alien-stare-indiana-jones-4-gif-4617219499917193456

[quick stag]

what was that white alien called

that drank some water and died

https://tenor.com/view/prometheus-movie-intro-dna-death-gif-128959459168293101

[zenith forge]

Prometheus?

I think

[quick stag]

idk

very funny gif

personally it should be twice as short and a bit slower

[runic bane]

engineer

prometheus the name of the movie

[calm fiber]

I do not understand this punchline

[zenith forge]

Noooooo

[zenith forge]

Do you want the explanation?

[quick stag]

i dont get it

[quick stag]

yes

idc about spoilers

[zenith forge]

Ok so it's a invincible joke

||the kid (Oliver) is the son of Omni man and half brother to the main character insert title card joke here the reason he's kind of purplish is that he's half thraxan who are like bug aliens, but he was raised on earth because thraxans have a incredibly short lifespan and Omni man basically asked mark/invincible to raise his half brother because of that and other reasons. (This is after Omni man had a bit of a psychotic break on earth and nearly beat mark/invincible/his own son to death and killing a SHITTON OF PEOPLE, but he felt bad about it so he rebounded and got busy with the bug people to make himself feel less shitty.)

Later-er in the series Oliver and his dad Omni man are spending some actual father and son time together because before this Omni man was pre occupied with space shenanigans. And Oliver mentions getting the fuzzies when seeing a lobster (because he's part bug alien)||

Trinity is often jokingly referred to as a lobster

https://tenor.com/view/gumball-amazing-world-of-gumball-the-amazing-world-of-gumball-i-think-we-all-know-where-this-is-going-skip-to-the-end-gif-8120623712895897895

[zenith forge]

Explanation above if you wanna read it

[quick stag]

what the helly

[zenith forge]

Invincible is a good series I swear

[quick stag]

no worries

my standarts are low

[runic bane]

warframe make an official marketplace app that automatically takes the item out of your inventory when bought and my life is yours

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-destroy-my-enemies-and-my-life-is-yours-gif-7965707800203237625

[quick stag]

never gonna happen

unless

you sacrifice more people

[runic bane]

imma sacrifice my panzer vulpaphlya and god roll sobek riven if it means i get to sell shit easier

[quick stag]

alecaframe is decently easy
but it come with a terrible price

[runic bane]

ye i got aleca frame but i play on ps5 so i cant copy paste my messages so i gotta manually type the whole thing every time and most of the time theyre offline

[quick stag]

unlucky

you should buy a 2k€ pc

wait
the ram prices are shit

make it 3k

[runic bane]

i needa just wait for tennocon to sell my prime parts in bulk ig

i think thats like mid july or somethin

[quick stag]

smart man

[quick stag]

what the hell

revenant priem sets are selling lower than saryn

its liek the most used warframe

[runic bane]

saryn got a lot more fun factor than him

[quick stag]

yeah but like

The Revenant

[runic bane]

ye but like

The Sobek

and also like

The Any Gun In The Game

[quick stag]

Yeah but like
Level cap Void Cascades
the most popular end game gamemode

well i dont care either way cuz i got stocks in both
but iam dissapointed my prediction was off

[zenith forge]

I feel like it's the kind of thing where revenants price fluctuates based on new player count because new people look up "best Warframe" see revenant torid incarnon being the most popular and buy em then

[quick stag]

hmm

probably right

[calm fiber]

I'd bet anything that supply for revenant is higher

because revenant is notorious so people wanting to sell probably prioritized farming him

meanwhile saryn, while cool, is a very strange frame to explain to someone who knows nothing, and isn't "bring best gun, press 2, win"

saryn good BUT saryn less obviously worth farming than revenant, means fewer farm saryn, means price higher because saryn good

[quick stag]

You ate probably right

[runic bane]

usually new players go for gauss more than revenant

damn why does burston prime set cost like 2 pennies

i should just buy a shit ton of those and sell them back for ducats during tennocon

[zenith forge]

Burston, braton, Paris, fang, bronco are evergreen primes

[runic bane]

ye true but ducats are ducats so id figure whole sets would be at least 10p

[quick stag]

yup
i got them sets locked and loaded then they hit 80p

nice

Devstream next week

[safe gull]

I love my private hypeman

[runic bane]

every day i get on warframe i get sexually harrased by my coda technocyte since i just cant be bothered to kill him

[quick stag]

my kuva lich is a daily reminder to get on licj weapon grind

[zenith forge]

https://youtu.be/peRRTfBvhag?si=McJfkErkLUNtgvv3

[quick stag]

is thta duplicate?

[zenith forge]

Ah sweet a in depth discussion about melee arcanes and how they could be better, can't wait to listen to it later

[zenith forge]

Yes

[quick stag]

imma spoil you

this is what video is about

[zenith forge]

Yeah I gleaned that from the comments lol

Low-key I feel that for a lot of arcanes in general

[quick stag]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-wow-clapping-xqc-clapping-xqc-wow-gif-18258764

[zenith forge]

I feel like DE kinda makes shit for flavor and then doesn't really consider what that actually means for viability

[quick stag]

on DE defense
they made this arcane like 8 years ago

[zenith forge]

Like genuinely I feel like things like primary exhilarate and fractalized reset DESPERATELY need something to be viable

Y'know what'd be fucken cool for fractalized reset

Lean into the name of fractalized reset, whenever you reload you gain a random cyte-09 style elemental magazine that's locked at 25% damage or smth

That singlehandedly would make it worth considering

It'd lead to a interesting mechanic where you could unironically (thanks to the 5s duration on cast) reload, see what free buff you got, and if you don't want that buff you can simply cycle it for something else

Hell I think making part of the arcane let you reload with a full magazine would help that idea

As for exhilarate I think letting it strip defenses per impact proc would help it have a niche

Prolly Smth like 20% so 5 impact procs fullstrip

[quick stag]

DE should hire you as their idea guy

even if they implement only 20% of your ideas it would make game twice as interesting

[zenith forge]

Idk if id say that

But I do remember at some point saying it'd be cool if we got a mod or something that let us proc single elements off combined ones stat lines somehow and then primary debilitate happened so like de does have these sort of ideas

Idk what's another kinda mid arcane

[zenith forge]

Low-key if you made this non enemy specific and maybe reduce the damage % thatd unironically become a good arcane

Like a 25m proc per enemy is nutty

Even if it was a unbuffable 25% if you void sling through 4 enemies with the same HP stat, any other enemy within 25 m with the same HP or lower than them gets insta killed, not even considering other procs

It's like sevagoth nuking but even cheaper

[calm fiber]

Part of the issue too is that they really hate going back to older mods or weapons

Bad arcanes or mods tend to stay bad

[zenith forge]

[runic bane]

apparently i have a legendary core that i just never noticed

is there any primed mod that i should max out specifically? like something universally useful?

[tranquil rain]

I've found primed continuity to be pretty universally useful

[runic bane]

ye i already got one thats like 8/10 so i might do something like primed cryo since virals almost always one of the best options

eh ill just sell it instead i cant be bothered

could prob get like 100p to 110p on trade chat

[zenith forge]

I remember right around when xaku prime came out they gave everyone free legendary cores so I traded a bunch of people prime sets to get a couple of em so I could "buy" a Trumna prime set day one for four of em

(I was on switch at the time which has its plat locked)

[safe gull]

Damn those are funny problems to have

[zenith forge]

Thanks for reminding me I meant to watch that video lmao

[zenith forge]

Dev stream TODAAAAAAAAAY

Yaaaay

Alright I think they said last time we're getting a new arcane for primary, secondary, and 2 frame arcanes anyone wanna take a shot at guessing what they could be?

Im placing a bet that one of the new frame arcanes will be something designed to synergize with persistence, like it removes your shields for status immunity or something

I think it'd be fun if we got a arcane that drops your base shield value by half, but you gain that at an equal amount in base armor (so if you had 300 shields, 300 base armor if you use the arcane you go to 150 shields 450 base armor), like parasitic shields but permanent and at a worse conversion rate, bonus credit if it considers ALL shield reductions for its conversion rate (so it plus persistence would transfer your shields wholesale into base armor, or if you used just the shield>armor arcane+ catalyzing shields you get 90% of your shields as armor)

As for weapons I'm feeling like we're gonna get some elemental based arcane (probably a double element based one like gas or smth like that, I'm thinking maybe gas primary and mag secondary) and/or a weird QoL arcane

I feel like a secondary magnetic arcane that makes it so every mag proc applied to a enemy gives them a bullet attractor field to suck up their own attacks could be fun as a sort of inverse secondary irradiate (instead of radiation making enemies deal aoe damage on hit, this makes magnetic focus damage from all surrounding enemies in on one guy, maybe make the bubble get bigger with each proc)

As for the gas one
I think making a primary arcane that makes damage enemies take from gas procs also having a chance to inflict a gas proc could be a interesting idea

Cause as is gas is generally better on weapons that hit really hard in a few hits with gas with high status chance because the damage doesn't really ramp up with more procs, rather the aoe does

I think making an arcane that lets you make like a sniper rifle able to flex its inordinately high single target damage per shot would be really cool and it'd go along way to making that general archetype of weapons more viable

[safe gull]

I just want melee careen but green

[zenith forge]

It's green for a amazing reason

Y'know what'd be fucken awesome

I want an arcane that's like arcane double back but instead of DR you gain ramping:

parkour velocity/movement speed boost/slide distance/friction reduction/aim glide duration/aim glide gravity reduction/sprint speed

Every time you roll/double jump/bullet jump up to like 5 with a 4s duration with the Steel path arcane stack decay gimmick

And make them all share the same stacks instead of the fucken weird shit double back does

Call it like arcane super sonic or somthing

I think probably capping it at like 30% for each across the board would be fair

Cause like yeah you're getting effectively like 8 mode in one arcane, but it's 8 exilus mods in one arcane

When you've got arcanes that boost like actual stats a shitton

Hell even if you removed the aim glide specific stuff that'd still be a sick arcane

Arcane double back is so sad because it comes so very close to being a great arcane

75% Dr just for rolling/double/bullet jumping every 4 seconds sounds amazing until you realize each stack is independent of each other

So actually it's closer to fluctuating between 25% and 50% Dr with some spikes up to 75% for a second

Because it's not really 3 stacks you build up, it's moreso 3 single stacks running in parallel and adding together

So like there's your roll stack
Double jump stack
Bullet jump stack

You only get the full Dr while all three stacks are active, which is neigh impossible because you're shooting and using abilities a lot which means you don't really have time to keep all three active continuously, best case scenario you keep 2 up

[quick stag]

clueless

[zenith forge]

Wait

It's next week isn't it

FUUUUUUUUCK

[quick stag]

yup

ill read your essey later

[zenith forge]

Im gonna explode myself with self damage via missing a tennokai attack with truths foame

[quick stag]

i think that 2 warframe arcanes will compliment 2 new frames
each of them have a melee,so one gets primary and other one gets secondary for second signeture weapon

And those primary and secondary arcanes will be for them

[runic bane]

that would be sick for dual toxos and just afk builds

did they say if they are gonna fix descendia?

its still got like a 20% chance of soft locking u

[zenith forge]

Soft lock???