SNK Post-Match Discussion

[abstract swift]

It's nice with Geese n Rock cuz I can convert or get a HKD but Terry, I'm kinda stuck with SS or hop/jump back jB

And Angel too

Tough with both cuz they got less than stellar neutral so you compensate with jumps or that hit grab

[torpid grotto]

Yeah

I’m trying though

Thanks

This is smart

[torpid grotto]

@abstract swift how do you feel about the team I played

Not necessarily how well I played them lol just comp

[abstract swift]

Really execution heavy so you're 1/3. Leona n Nessa are newish I think? You did some cool strings where I'm like, wow that's new, that's cool

But you gotta be tip top and have really good MU xp and a strong gameplan so. If it's something you're in the long haul for, yeah, definitely put time into the them and get as much MU xp you can. You want character/neutral specific characters then definitely fight the people you have been already, but I think Daru and a serious Cherry will be your best friend and really expedite your learning by fighting them

[torpid grotto]

The reason I love that team is that my frustrations seem self imposed

That’s what’s fun for me

Maybe not self imposed but like my issues are that I suck

The only issues I have with that team is that I suck

With mai she’s not as fun or complex that’s what bothers me about her

If that makes any sense

Like id rather struggle with Vanessa than thrive with mai? Ig idk that sounds like I’m making excuses but I still try my best regardless

[abstract swift]

I wouldn't say you suck lol, maybe you need harder characters to be nasty

Cuz Mai was like, you weren't particularly good with her, you were good because you used her

With Angel, you (Howl the player) are good. You know you character well n what you can/can't do

Maybe you'll find the same through Ness n Leona

[torpid grotto]

Yeah I’m hoping for it, we’ll see

Maybe one day I’ll be sick nasty

I could’ve probably taken a set if nessa or Leona were a quarter of the skill of ángel lol

[abstract swift]

I think that team is solid. Nessa was holding her own in neutral, you probably need more comfort or one-1.5 more options in neutral because when you got momentum with Nessa, the execution was there

Leona is just a matter of time too, you got the cool/harder string(s) but you're still missing another ingredient or two in neutral to be REALLY good with her

idk what it is because i don't play either of them

[torpid grotto]

Mai also let’s me get away with everything, like I spammed 2a and got away with it. That’s a mid, that means you guys have blocked wayyyyy more stuff than you should’ve and I still preformed ok with her

I did the exact same with Vanessa 2a and this team I had to force the switch to 2b to poke you low because Vanessa doesn’t get freebies in neutral again

Little things like that and such

[jolly badge]

@forest jasper
I've been analyzing your matches with Dyl and with me, and maybe I can share some helpful feedback on your gameplay, if you are interested

I feel like Kukri is probably your best character. You know the gimmicks very well and you don't seem to drop combos or punishes with him. Idk the character that much, but I can feel your neutral is kinda lacking with him. Maybe focus a bit more on anti airs and footsies could help with him. I felt it kinda easy to close up and get in after I understood the gimmicks you were using. Playing with the gimmicks is cool and important, it's one of Kukri's strengths, but having only that is surely a liability.

You are doing King's game very well, your zoning is consistent and you are able to do her raw climax on reaction, which is very cool
I don't have much to add here besides maybe tell you to be careful of characters that have options against projectiles. She didn't do so well against Andy that had almost as good fireballs and a quick way to get closer. Also not so much against my O. Shermie that can extend her jump with air lightning kick or nullify projectiles with the beginning of her own.

Ryo on the other hand I found your weakest char in general. Not saying he is weak, but I think he is not on the same level as your other two characters. You have good combos with him, and you parried well, but I think you should maybe focus on learning more about his confirms, ways to get in, low light confirms and be more aggressive in general.
He is a strong character, if you get him right, he is almost unstoppable

[forest jasper]

Thank you for this @jolly badge

[jolly badge]

@dull bone
I have to start by saying that you improved A LOT from the last time I watched and played you.

I see you have been labbing with Blue Mary, as you tested a lot of new stuff that you didn't use to do last time I saw her.
I get that she is a challenge for you, as she is the most different char from your team, and seeing you implementing little by little things from her arsenal into your gameplay makes me proud. I'd tell you to just be careful with the grabs. They aren't frame 1 like Shermie or O. Yash, so they can be reacted to, and if you use it too many times in a row, you will be punished for it. Other than that, you've been using it very well to evade some normals and punish with her command grab. Also, your neutral and gameplan in general with her is going good. Dropped some combos, but that is normal and you just need some practice. You actually did very well with her combos, I saw you do a pretty difficult one. So just keep it up! She will be great in no time

I feel like Terry and Andy are very similar characters that I can give very similar feedbacks, so I will.
The way you play them is nice
Your neutral has never been better
And you actually got more consistent with Terry combos
I think you get which moves are safe and which aren't and you are using them very well
You are keeping a balanced gameplan, not passive and not too aggressive, which is good for a shoto

Also, I have to congratulate you for Andy in specific. You are doing exceptionally well with him, and maybe he should be your full time Anchor. Your neutral with him is great and I think you understand the character very well. You took my last advice and diminished greatly the amount of unsafe moves you are throwing, and now Andy seems like your strongest character, actually very close to being a complete character with no big flaws and only maybe small adjustments to make in the long run.
Also, VERY cool dp into lv3 confirm
You're able to confirm it consistently, which is very cool!
Just keep up the good work!

[jolly badge]

Hope I can help!

[dull bone]

I think Andy is honestly better suited at point or mid just because all the bar goes to him at anchor, but Andy combos are ridiculously tight to do with timing and half-circle nonsense. Best use of meter I have with Andy is using ex moves in neutral for some extra oomf to his specials. And the dp into climax only really works as a 3 bar reversal that deals 50% so it works in a pinch. But not always

Those same 3 bars could be implemented by terry for a qm that deals 700+ damage (and looks cooler) or even bm for some good combo extenders with ex slider

[jolly badge]

I'd say at least mid
Also Terry is usually better suited for Anchor because of his ridiculous damage

[dull bone]

Yeah, I'm just putting terry at point to get better used to his neutral where I can test stuff out

I got his bnb down pretty good

[jolly badge]

I do agree
But then again, your Andy did a good job
And you did good damage with him too
Maybe some labbing with his qm combos?

[dull bone]

And I'm trying to use 2b more and more

[jolly badge]

That is good
Always put the char you're learning on point

[jolly badge]

Amazing
That alone deals a ridiculous amount of damage

[dull bone]

Optimal 3 bar andy qm involves using a close C and then follow through. It's really easy actually. Except for getting the close C into normal and then a very tight half circle for the confirm

And even then, it's like 640something damage

I just use Andy as a neutral check against characters that commit too much to one kind of playstyle

Its why I like shoto flexibility, they can switch up gameplay from rushdown, to neutral, to zoning, to footsies, to whatever you want

And its because of that flexibility that I can counter players who rely on gimmicks or one kind of style

[jolly badge]

Yup
For people who can adapt so well, shotos really are a good option
I am actually quite bad at it, tbh

[jolly badge]

Yeah...
Not that worth it
But still, you are doing a good job with him
Keep him at mid, I'd say

[dull bone]

Only reason I like shotos is bc my fundies from super Turbo transfer over and I don't have to learn a new character XD
Except bm, I wanted a challenge there.

[dull bone]

I've experimented with positions and the only one I haven't tried yet was Terry, Andy, Mary

I think anchor bm could have very good potential with meter usage, but at the same time, so does terry

I'll try some stuff out, but andy, Mary, terry, is my current order and so far, it's worked out pretty well for me in terms of "who gains meter" and "who uses meter"

[forest jasper]

This is what I like about kof. You dont come across these questions in other fighters

[jolly badge]

Yup
I do think she has good damage with meter, but Idk the character so well to be sure
You could try it to make sure
You're also doing well with her

[dull bone]

Mary has a TON of untapped potential, but at the same time, the execution is nuts

Its not like ash or angel level, but when your other 2 fighters are shotos it seems like a lot more

Will say though, good Mary combos are about the best cutscene you can watch

[jolly badge]

That is great
Just remember to mix it up sometimes
I'd say taking a look at your opponents team is very important

Angel is usually my point
But if I see King or some other char that I know she struggles with, O. Shermie is going point and Angel staying mid

[jolly badge]

You'll do well
You're getting it fast

[dull bone]

Yeah, I'll usually run andy, Mary, terry, but if I see rushdown at point, I'm switching terry to point to clean up that mess, and if I see zoner at point, I'll have andy go on point and clean up instead

[jolly badge]

Good plan

You're doing well in general
I see improvement
Maybe it's time to test stuff in ranked?

[dull bone]

Nah, connection isn't good enough for ranked yet

[torpid grotto]

@rich fractal anything I can improve on from our last set

[rich fractal]

cant think of anything, i used to play leona but i dont think i can give u any good tips for her

[torpid grotto]

Ok thanks anyways

[rich fractal]

just remember moonslasher is a great reversal but its basically like her version of a DP, and be careful trying to use it bc it can obv be punished if its whiffed

[torpid grotto]

I’m so lost with her I spam everything

[scarlet delta]

Grand Saber safe

[smoky parcel]

Leona safe

[scarlet delta]

Moonslash is not safe

Lab a punish

heavy divekick is not safe

[smoky parcel]

Bro

Leona

Me

Lab?

[scarlet delta]

LOL

Okay well I told u so that’s basically labbing for u anyway 😂

[dim shadow]

Heavy is safe with distance. It's a very unique punish haha there's Leona's that will only do the safe Heavy kick and then EX DP my shit or 2b me shits wild

Labbed it a few months back

[scarlet delta]

Hmmm 📝📝✍️✍️✍️✍️✍️✍️

I’m listening

Some tomfoolery will be had

[scarlet delta]

BRUH LOL

Stealing this one

[dim shadow]

I'll lab it and show u

I think I saved it in my PS4 file haha

[scarlet delta]

thanks Cherry ur the best

[torpid grotto]

@smoky parcel any advice whenever you can

[smoky parcel]

You were trying to mash out of my light blockstrings, but when I hit the full jump loops with Terry, it was full respect. What’s up with that ?

Luong idk the matchup like that apparently, but I was able to catch jump recovery a lot with low punish

[torpid grotto]

Just over cautious, terry anchor deletes me in one touch, I play way more “scared” on anchor which isn’t a good thing

Besides mashing out with angel I felt like I was doing a better job at poking but that’s all I can recognize tbh other than that. Yeah I was trying to force back my turn and not aa

All 3 mai luong ángel can aa with 5D

I did that exactly 0 times

[smoky parcel]

Shit can get rough on defense with Angel

I saw you utilize shatter strike as well

It’s there for a reason

[torpid grotto]

I’m trying to be conservative with it but still learn to use it

I guess fear of having options

Sometimes my turn ends and idk how to defend, so I shatter strike hoping the armor does it for me, not great either

It works half the time

Got ate up with lows the other half

[smoky parcel]

Vanessa it seemed like you were getting more comfortable as you went on

[torpid grotto]

I think I’m finally finding my footing with her

[smoky parcel]

Not sure who you like more between Chizuru and Leona

But they have their distinct differences

[torpid grotto]

They also have less Mashable options

Mai let’s me 2a 2a none stop and luong you saw me take away sooo many 2bs

Chizuru seems way more technical with her links and so does Leona

Not sure who I like more though

[smoky parcel]

This is exactly why I don’t play either one of them

Well slightly

And you don’t want Luong?

[torpid grotto]

I do

But I just really don’t like her at anchor

I’m like 1000 percent locked in on Vanessa (let’s wait and see)

[smoky parcel]

Yeah let’s keep improving Vanessa

[torpid grotto]

And I can be flexible between her and angel point and mid honestly could go either route. But I do not want either of them anchor

[smoky parcel]

But no more Mai?

[torpid grotto]

And I don’t like luong anchor

[torpid grotto]

Not sure, I’m finally giving myself some time to stretch my legs with the characters I really wanted to try.

[smoky parcel]

But you want an anchor

[torpid grotto]

Yeah

[smoky parcel]

This should help narrow it down then

[torpid grotto]

Mai, Leona, Chiz, maybe BM?

[smoky parcel]

Chizuru can do really well as anchor

[torpid grotto]

Luong, Athena, Yuri, Kula, I know for a fact I don’t want to play anchor

[smoky parcel]

Exactly

[torpid grotto]

I know everyone can go anywhere but I just don’t like them for anchor

[torpid grotto]

She has good reversals, 2c, a and the seal super makes her extra safe under those conditions

[smoky parcel]

If you’re up for learning Chizuru she is very well rounded

[smoky parcel]

Beyond all that she can do hella dmg

[torpid grotto]

Plz the yata mirror pose is swaggy af

[smoky parcel]

I recommend her I’m biased

[torpid grotto]

I’ve also been learning to recognize when I can QM, even if not optimal it can win me a round

[smoky parcel]

Yeah this is good

It’s there for that reason exactly

[torpid grotto]

That’s kinda why I want Vanessa mid, I like her QM. 6A is an overhead, into cl.d heavy dp lvl 1 clímax is only 3 bars

[smoky parcel]

She definitely functions better with meter

[torpid grotto]

Ángel 2b 2a is a hella of a tool, it sets up re pressure, uc start, hop double overhead or hyper hop j.c

Howber you saw my dumb ass full jump every time lol

[smoky parcel]

Don’t be conservative of those jCs around me lol

[torpid grotto]

I get scared 👉👈

[smoky parcel]

You had some teleport stuff you were doing with her as well was good

I had a much slower character so it was hard to keep up with that

[smoky parcel]

I mean even if I block still gotta deal with the aftermath

[torpid grotto]

True you did gc it everytime

[smoky parcel]

Depends on where she is

[torpid grotto]

Which I just saw as you beating my Strat but then after our matches I realized your point burned 2 full bars on gc alone

[smoky parcel]

When

[torpid grotto]

So I guess it was a better outcome than I initially thought

[torpid grotto]

Second to last set

Ángel vs K’

[smoky parcel]

I don’t remember

And I’ll do this if they have back to corner

I don’t really use that shit like that tbh

I must’ve just been disrespectful then

[torpid grotto]

Lol all good

[smoky parcel]

I was not blocking anyways so it makes sense

[torpid grotto]

I think I’m slowly understanding neutral which I’m hyped

[smoky parcel]

Yeah you can play the game when you don’t have to fight obnoxious matchups like Joe

[smoky parcel]

What does this mean for you

[torpid grotto]

When I’m not defending, and I’m not attacking. Like spacing, pokes, looking for jump ins and such

[smoky parcel]

Do you not deal with this each time you play?

Is it because of how I was playing ?

[torpid grotto]

Yes but I’m very bad at it lol

[smoky parcel]

I will literally keep doing something until it gets called out

[torpid grotto]

No like normally I jump too much, and I repeat patterns. Which I still did. But it felt like I was getting some flow

[smoky parcel]

I noticed the pickup with Vanessa specifically

Leona maybe needs some more time

Idk if you want her anchor or whatever though

She’s super safe with more meter

[torpid grotto]

Yeah that will see, maybe it’s Chiz at the end but I’m glad to be making progress

[smoky parcel]

Seems your attracted to characters that require more work than others

Unlike me

[torpid grotto]

Yeah lol I’m my own worse enemy

[smoky parcel]

Well Chizuru can carry so there you go

Imma Chiz salesman

[torpid grotto]

😂

[fickle plaza]

Chiz got nasty damage

[torpid grotto]

The chizzler

[fickle plaza]

Get Chizzeaged

Get chizzed on

😂😂😂

That one made me laugh bruhh

[tall geode]

I…y’all are funny 😭😭😭

[dull bone]

@jolly badge aight, sorry for the wait, but here's the post from our matches last night.
Geese: your geese I felt was the weakest link on your team because I felt like I could predict everything you were going to do. I noticed you would start almost every match with a Geese dp and I was able to punish it 4/5 times because of how late the hurtbox activates. Aside from that, I would recommend using more off the ground moves like the command grab and even climax 1 (raging storm) is an OTG move. I feel there's a lot of improvement to be had and I recommend it because Geese is super fun to play against/watch.

Billy: overall, pretty solid, but I noticed that you start every match with a blowback. If I had to guess, I'd say you do this because of its good speed and range? Idk, but often, I could bait that and punish with a fireball or something. The spacing is pretty tricky against fireball characters because Billy's cane acts as a hitbox and takes damage, so I would recommend looking at some top Billy players to see how the handle zoning. The close up Billy combat was pretty solid and I see that you can go some good ex combo bnbs with him. Overall, good job.

Yamazaki: definitely your strongest of the 3 from what I felt. I had to be very careful when approaching because of the close fireballs, and I couldn't rely on jump ins as much because of the counter, or even zoning because Yama has that projectile counter thing. You've got the yamazaki qm down pat it seems like which is super good for an anchor to have that at disposal with all that meter. I felt that with Geese and Billy, there were habits you had that I could exploit, but with yamazaki, I felt I had to slow down and actually think about what I was doing🤣

I don't know if you intend to play team south town more, I know it's not your main team, but thats just my 2 cents on the team from what I noticed last night.
Hope this helps👍

[jolly badge]

Thank you so much for the feedback!
Honestly, my Geese is just for fun
I never watched pros nor anything
Haven't labbed at all with him
So I played you like I play the CPU
Lmao

Billy really struggles with zoners
No pro players play him besides ET
And even him doesn't always play Billy
I really wanna make him one of my mains, but it's being hard to learn on my own
I still haven't come up with a way to deal with fireballs with him

And Yama my strongest?
Really?
I don't even play him at all besides story mode
I only have the qm combo actually labbed with him
Honestly I think you were just too afraid of him
Lmao

Honestly, I only play Team South Town because it's the only closed team that I like all the chars individually
And I specially like Geese and Billy A LOT as characters
So maybe I should actually start practicing and getting better with them
But I don't intend on going to ranked with them
Maybe Billy
But also not yet
Lol

[dull bone]

Ah, gotcha

And I meant like Yama was the strongest of the 3. Not like your best character out of the whole roster

But yeah, main takeaway is just don't overrely on moves, mix stuff up, and practice against zoning. Although to be absolutely blunt, I am not qualified to be giving anyone advice about this game lmao cuz yall have been playing way longer than I have

But if you do want practice against zoners I'm sure @rocky bloom could help you out there. His ash and king zoning still trip me up sometimes.

[jolly badge]

Ah, obviously
Yama could never surpass my Shermie

[carmine axle]

Shermie

[jolly badge]

Next time beginner's crew is up I'll be there!

[dull bone]

Sermie legion is scary

Notice how I said legion and not army. There's so many shermie players here lol

[carmine axle]

I’m suffering from success Rait ducks me

[torpid grotto]

Same

[carmine axle]

😔

[lofty radish]

@rocky bloom looking for new newbie members to victimize lol

[carmine axle]

Rait a bully and I’m a victim 😭

[torpid grotto]

Bruh that’s what I’ve been saying!

[carmine axle]

He made me fight Daru last night 😭

Er not yesterday Monday

[dull bone]

Love duck king

Bro is so cool

[fickle plaza]

@livid knot advice my lord king bubby

[torpid grotto]

:obscureemotewithnoclearmeaning:

[livid knot]

[livid knot]

Refine your Gato

[torpid grotto]

Outside of his gato anything with luong?

[fickle plaza]

I have to actually learn the match ups for his characters now

Imma show bubbles how I actually abuse “BM Shenanigans”

The timing to her counters changes depending on the jump arcs that ppl do

There’s a lot of unfamiliarity with Ralf

Also I need to stop mashing anti air normal because my teams anti air normals aren’t great

I didn’t really do bad against bubbles he was just doing shit that caught me off guard

His controller was broken tech

[smoky parcel]

@wanton sierra When you get a chance, and obviously if you want to-
Pick Shermie. Go into training mode, set your enemy guard to random, and practice confirming off of like 2B, or 2A into 5A/5B into EX 214 into her air grab. Also practice doing this into her 1F grab and the Shermie Whip just incase for meterless options.
For Beni, work on getting those punishes down. I see that you know his combos, but the execution is kinda iffy at times. I understand how it can be mid match, I drop shit too. I recommend doing the same as above, and practice confirming off of his 2b 2b. Also try to create blockstrings using like 2a into 2c, this some big boy Beni shit. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. You have improved and I don't want this constant cycle of "Ah, but when I tell myself to do"--- Nah bro. Gotta practice the shit, and if you fuck up mid match, will have to deal with the consequences. I'm not immune to making mistakes, no one here is. Can't be too hard on yourself.

[fickle plaza]

I just game myself post match advice thanks bubbLes

@smoky parcel your turn

To give me

[torpid grotto]

That’ll be 59.99
-Bubs

[wanton sierra]

Hit me

[livid knot]

And try and outspace me more with Luong

You weren't going "aaeeeahhaehh" enough

[smoky parcel]

Bro you good at the game. You don't need to be rank 12. You got some tech shit with your characters, maybe I just don't know the Luong stuff that well. Gato. Learn when it's a more fitting time to try to attack

[torpid grotto]

Is that her slash kicks/geki

[livid knot]

CD

[torpid grotto]

@fickle plaza you go for 214ac 40 percent of the time

Bring that bitch up to 100 percent

Unless in the corner

Also start dropping combos

You got that shit locked down

[smoky parcel]

Bro be throwing the double kick at me then shatter strike

I was lie

wtf

Is that shit even safe?

[torpid grotto]

No reason you should still be throwing out 214ac 214d 214b 236a 214c

[livid knot]

@fickle plaza take more advantage of luongs good neutral

[torpid grotto]

You can do way more than that start optimizing

[smoky parcel]

what

[torpid grotto]

Luong combo

[wanton sierra]

It's not the mistakes themselves I get mad at

[smoky parcel]

Wait

[wanton sierra]

It's the constant repetition of them

[torpid grotto]

That’s her very very basic bnb she can do way more now

[smoky parcel]

OK.

We here to finesse Cien

You know this

This a casual server

Everybody can do the Joe TOD's here.

[torpid grotto]

@fickle plaza j.d cl.d 6b 214ac j.c 214bd 214b j.214bd 236a 214c

Lock it tf in

[fickle plaza]

Sir yes sir bub Sensei!

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/nickmercs-gaming-warzone-cod-quepasa-gif-18061028

[torpid grotto]

[fickle plaza]

Oh yeah I haven’t incorporated any of her new combos yet I’m lazy asf to go for them in a match 💀

[torpid grotto]

That’s an issue

Laziness isn’t very top g of you

You like a lowercase l rn

Lock it in

[fickle plaza]

Naw it’s because luong has a issue where I do jD into 5D 6B into 214A+C and it whiffs

It happens with smoke alot

[torpid grotto]

Simple

Lab

And until you get that

Switch to j.c in match

[smoky parcel]

Lol lab yall favorite word

[torpid grotto]

In match just do j.c

Outside of matches practice the j.d

It’s really long pause and has good pushback which will cause you to whiff

[torpid grotto]

And I never do it

[fickle plaza]

I don’t like mashing

[torpid grotto]

Don’t

[fickle plaza]

That button as fast as possible

[torpid grotto]

Oh

[fickle plaza]

I like purposely adding delays to my buttons

[torpid grotto]

That combo also works of 2b

Just in match

[smoky parcel]

So u be playing Tekken

[torpid grotto]

Start going for them and take the L

Until you get nothing but Ws

[fickle plaza]

And any anime fighter highkey🤣

[smoky parcel]

Bro Idk how to play Luong like that

I know all her specials though

Yall got that promis

[fickle plaza]

If you want to do her new routes just break your thumb joints

[smoky parcel]

Im good

[fickle plaza]

More flexibility

[torpid grotto]

Not even lol

Just reroute

[smoky parcel]

Ill stick to doing burn knuckle into TOD

[torpid grotto]

Ok

Banned

Nah twerp

[fickle plaza]

Bro howl didn’t want to learn the luong route because you had to hyper hop💀💀💀💀

[torpid grotto]

It’s the same thing

[smoky parcel]

Y u aint enter the tourney bro

[torpid grotto]

The hyper hop is unoptimal

[smoky parcel]

You too good

N its only casual

[torpid grotto]

Both routes use
1x 214ac
1x 214bd
1x j.214bd

They also do the same damage

[fickle plaza]

Internet problems and I’m fighting the cold 95% of the time so the times I can play varies

[torpid grotto]

It’s the same combo rerouted

More optimal

[fickle plaza]

Howl stop trying to justify yourself

[torpid grotto]

Bro

[fickle plaza]

Just say you can’t hyper hop

[torpid grotto]

[fickle plaza]

It’s ok

Go ahead say it

[torpid grotto]

I can’t hyper hop

[smoky parcel]

I saw you hop b4

[torpid grotto]

Yeah

It was a full moon

[smoky parcel]

Actually nvm I dont remember

[torpid grotto]

I only hop for you

[smoky parcel]

Maybe tho

[torpid grotto]

Daru checked his brain logs and was like
wait howl is the one who sucks nvm

[smoky parcel]

You a lot better than a lot of fighters out there

You have a place that's in the higher realm of skill levels

[torpid grotto]

I have the Daru curse but not the Daru gift

Teamless

But not the skill

[smoky parcel]

I have a team(s)

[torpid grotto]

It’s ok though

I just bought this sick ass chizuru off some guy in a red cape in a dark alley

He promised me I was gonna be mctwisted with her

Worth every kidney

[fickle plaza]

You’re worth my heart

[torpid grotto]

[fickle plaza]

[smoky parcel]

Man yall boys in love

[torpid grotto]

[torpid grotto]

Spread love not hate

[fickle plaza]

Yeah with you

That’s why we have a daru fan club church

[smoky parcel]

ok

[torpid grotto]

@livid knot advice

[livid knot]

There's this annoying armor move that daru used on me with Vanessa and I don't think you used it

[torpid grotto]

Describe it

Cave drawings

Anything

[livid knot]

She just punches twice

He used it in wakeup a lot

[torpid grotto]

She punches twice?

Her dp?

Is it special?

Normal?

@smoky parcel halp

[torpid grotto]

Like uppercut?

Idk

[livid knot]

I don't know but if I had to guess its a normal

I know nada about vanessa, ive never played her so I dont know the name

I think she punches down then up

[torpid grotto]

?

[livid knot]

Thats it I believe

[smoky parcel]

Nah

She dont got armor unless its EX DP

[livid knot]

Hm

[torpid grotto]

I use her cl.c

It’s the same thing

[smoky parcel]

Maybe the EX uppercut?

[torpid grotto]

Frames wise

[torpid grotto]

I think he meant cl.d normal to take back your turn not a special

I use cl.c

Idk regardless good shit tonight bubs

I’ll keep improving

I promise

Chiz is in the works

[tall geode]

Not to pile on, but @smoky parcel is right about training mode. He gave me some similar advice when we first started playing back in Oct and it’s because it works. It’s just a no stakes environment to build muscle memory in, that’s it that’s all. You may think to yourself, “But I need matches not practice” and the truth is, it’s both but the thing about the lab is that you can get reps in on the same scenario (like he mentioned above hit confirms, or a lot of other stuff). In a match we might see a specific window/situation once, twice or maybe not at all in the anchor battle, which typically is high stakes. Above all else when (not if) mistakes are made we need to flush that shit and keep it moving

[wanton sierra]

Uh.... idk if you know, but I Train quite literally almost every day

But thanks for the advice regardless

[lofty radish]

I also think it’s important to fight all levels of competition, not just higher levels (which Cien favors). Play higher level guys to learn defense, play lower lever guys to focus and practice your combos. Play similar level guys for the full practice. Against higher level and lower level people, winning shouldn’t be your exclusive goal

[tall geode]

What are you training?

And for how long?

[wanton sierra]

Depends and at a minimum of 15 minutes

[torpid grotto]

Where did you learn to 2b 2d?

[wanton sierra]

That I didn't lab

Just happens

[tall geode]

Agree 100% this is my method as well and also just lowering the stakes for myself in general lately has helped a ton. Knowing that when I picked up Yuri, I was gonna lose a lot and just needed to get through the valley to the first hilltop. Wish I had that perspective when I picked up Liz because it was very frustrating at first

[tall geode]

Ok. 15 minutes isn’t a ton of time really, so this may be part of it. I’ll spend 15 minutes, on one thing on one side because I’d rather lab on my own than lab in a match

[wanton sierra]

Consistency is more valued than time

There is a reason I said almost every day

Also well as that being the minimum

[tall geode]

It’s both but if what you’re doing is working for you, by all means keep doing it

Lately I’ve been grinding Yuri low lights into her 3D command normal. That shit is difficult for me, but it would take me literally 1000’s of matches to learn in real time so it’s a better use of my time to just learn it against the dummy because the dummy doesn’t hit back unless I tell it to. The feeling of hitting it live is so good tho and makes the practice worth it, to me anyway

You also didn’t answer what specifically you’re working on during those 15 minutes at minimum so I’m curious to hear what’s been on the docket for you lately

[forest jasper]

I'm a big advocate of training mode. Excellent way to fine tune your timing and dissecting a move that is tough to deal with.

[fickle plaza]

You have my respect I just dropped the character fuck that shit I get disappointed when I can’t do any combos

[scarlet delta]

Tripp love dropping characters

[fickle plaza]

And combos

[scarlet delta]

We share that 🤝

[fickle plaza]

I can still use her so

[scarlet delta]

Weird… she asked me out on a date actually

[timber pier]

Her combos have a lot of pushback going for l.hadou or dp is a better choice saiha whiffs a lot

[scarlet delta]

I feel we’re abt to see a Yuri meta

[timber pier]

And She fast as fucked só its kind of another thing to learn and tight combos

Im playing her for One month somedays She s my best charachter these last 3 days my worst

[fickle plaza]

My ego won’t let me just go for the simpler routes

[scarlet delta]

I hear that one

[timber pier]

Going for saiha is always good but if want to whiff punish and you are to far away saiha never hits

[fickle plaza]

Yeah you right

[tall geode]

Haha thanks, I used to drop her combos. Still do but I used to too

[carmine axle]

Not a pretty day for me today I really was hoping to take a round but couldn’t even do that and nothing was clicking even tho I warmed up before the match ugh

Felt like i didn’t do anything right throughout my matches whilst still not learning anything from them either I suck at neural and poking but I already knew that, still can’t deal w zoning the best and nothing was connecting in my mind I know it’s double elimination but man going 0-2 really kicks you in the nuts confidence wise lmao

[forest jasper]

I know exactly how you feel.

I've lost for hours straight in this game. It sucks lol

[carmine axle]

I don’t mind losing but really expected better of myself today I only took characters by luck it felt like I don’t remember the matches to well and of course soon as their over and I’m playing w other peeps I do fine

[forest jasper]

Fair enough.

[carmine axle]

Just not happy w today with all the Ls I took wasn’t expecting to win but man already in losers like that

[wanton sierra]

Me when @smoky parcel

[rocky bloom]

yet you beat me like I owed you money. You're doing great

[wanton sierra]

Fizz really is mini me frfr

[carmine axle]

I mean ig but that’s not NEW

[rocky bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-lawrence-shenenah-gif-24753807

[carmine axle]

I just wanted more I didn’t have very high expectations but damn

[rocky bloom]

I don't think anyone can talk you out of it, but you're being really rough on yourself

[carmine axle]

Maybe a lil but felt like the worst I’ve ever played

[scarlet delta]

Homie does sound like u fr lol

[carmine axle]

not a good day 😔

Brain no cooperate me get angy

[carmine axle]

Gotta spend more time in the lab ugh really not looking forward to it

[tall geode]

The payoff is worth it and you’ll improve faster compared to only (or mostly) matches. Practice a combo on 1-hit guard for 5 minutes each side then put the dummy on random guard and practice hit confirming into damage or ending on a safe special. That alone will do wonders

[fickle plaza]

You’ll only get the results that you want when you start looking to improve in the areas that you once dreaded

Lock it in

https://tenor.com/view/nickmercs-mfam-nickmercs-clap-gif-25135332

[carmine axle]

I will today I’ll try and spend more time in the lab but I can’t promise I’ll be in there long lmao

[tall geode]

Up to you how you spend your time. If you have lots of free time grinding matches will work, if you don’t or want to work on something specific to get it dialed in then training mode is much faster

[carmine axle]

Idk what to work on rn tbh thinking oki

[jolly badge]

@timber pier
Honestly, I just have no idea how to stop Yuri pressure
Idk which moves are punishable or interruptable

Also, I think I need to get better at my game
I dropped some Billy combos, I need to actually learn Yamazaki, and I need to stop rolling so much

Also need to be faster with anti airs and jab more

[tall geode]

Hit confirms is always good. Being able to convert off a stray hit will add damage and once you have the muscle memory, less mental stack. Oki is good too

[carmine axle]

Sounds good I’ll try and work on hit confirms just tough finding videos for character specific oki

[timber pier]

Her Standing.C whifs on Crouch , só you can punish with a Light B or sweep, depends who you are playing.
Saiha is unsafe and sometimes i whiff a lot mid combo because of the bad range of the move.
She does not have a lot of unsafe options

Try to bait me more or walking torwards me when Im doing charge hadou, instead of jumping over , cause i can punish in a lot of ways.

Like i Said i jump a lot and with Yuri even more because of how fast she is, you should go training mode against her and maybe for you training the anti airs BE more reactble. When i did flip reset you were always rolling i Will always get you sometimes the better option is block CD back to neutral She on the corner is scary.

[jolly badge]

Thank you so much!!!!!
I will take notes on all of that and practice

[timber pier]

@tall geode Aldo likes Yuri dont know if hes better then me maybe he knows more ONLY using her since the new Patch

[jolly badge]

I think I only faced them once, so I don't actually even remember
Lmao

[tall geode]

I’ve got a couple weeks more with her so we’re probably about the same or you’re better

[tall geode]

The sexy tech is cool, you’ll prob get more out of random block and hit confirms in the short term. I saw your set with dmelton and you got plenty of hits but didn’t convert

[carmine axle]

Oh crap I thought Iori 6A was an overhead lmao

[queen kraken]

@dull bone

1st. First thing I noticed is the lack of hops, it is very hard to get pressure or offense if you cant hop on a low. When you only full jump its easy to dp and anti air it gets predictable. Although I will say seeing someone only jump kind of surprises me when Im expecting a hop.

2. i dont know if the specials were random, but sometimes you did certain specials without a reason or actions in general. (Mary slicer) ( Andy super jump air to air when im on the ground still).

3. Terry seems your most consistent. Its hard to rely only on that QM combo for everything though

[dull bone]

Yeah, Mary slicer would happen cuz I'd mess up a hyper hop D input

If I raw slicer in neutral, 9 times out of 10, it's an accident

And yeah, Andy super jump was just me trying to hop air to air

Most of my flaws rn are just sloppy inputs and tje only thing that fixes that is lab time

I've been trying to practice my hops, and they've been super bad, but I'm trying to use em more

[queen kraken]

what do you do to practice

[dull bone]

I spend about 5-15 minutes doing hop training when I'm warming up every day

I rehearse my qms, my bnbs, and my hops

Although my andy combos suck so I mostly rely on good neutral for Andy to be good

[queen kraken]

specifically for hops what do you do

[dull bone]

I'll see if I can hop forward and then hop backwards, 10 times in a row, so 20 hops in a row

I haven't gotten it yet

But ill spend 5-15 minutes on those hops

And then after I get those, ill try em but with hyper hops instead

[queen kraken]

Do it over a crouching character

[dull bone]

Good idea

[queen kraken]

After you can get 10 hops in a row over the crouching character back and forth then do it again but cycle through your buttons: A>B>C>D>CD x2 for 10 times in a row

[dull bone]

Aight

Also I've been practicing run grabs bc you were able to do those insanely well last night

And uh, I wanna do that

[queen kraken]

Yeah its kinda my gimmick not to many people really he doing it as blatantly as me

So it takes people by suprise

Walk up throw is probably more useful though, as a mixup tool

[lofty radish]

If he’s doing it as Beni then that’s exactly how Cien plays haha

[queen kraken]

I do it with errybody

[torpid grotto]

@abstract swift @livid knot nah I’m looking back at the replays angel running 50/50 in the corner looks obnoxious to deal with

I wanted to extend and apologize

[abstract swift]

LMAO

I'm fishing for the counter

I ain't scurrd a you 🫡😮‍💨😤

[torpid grotto]

Bro she does no damage off that either it doesn’t even look devastating it just looks annoying

[tall geode]

I realized that about her grab that throws me across the screen. Does low damage and no oki so it’s just annoying not life or death

[jolly badge]

Leg grab?

[tall geode]

I think so

[jolly badge]

Yeah, the biggest point about it is that it's invulnerable
But you are right
No huge damage and no oki

[torpid grotto]

No I think he means the grab that she kicks you away

[jolly badge]

Well, it can be comboed into her supers and climax if you have the bar, so maybe it becomes a bigger threat?

[torpid grotto]

He dash grab ex sets up safe jump

Her combo ender grab throws the opponent full screen and doesn’t do much damage

[jolly badge]

AH
AHHHHHH
You talking about Angel?

[torpid grotto]

18 percent if you connect 2b 2a 46b 2a 6b 236c so imagine how abysmal the 236c is by itself

[jolly badge]

I thought Smoke was talking about Shermie

Lmfao

[torpid grotto]

Shermie does like

What’s 6 and half life bars to percentages

Shermie does like 2.33 OCVs off a single grab

[jolly badge]

She just needs the bar

Lol

[tall geode]

@dull bone Aside from developing BM further (it worked for Terry and Andy so it’s just a matter of time) I think the main thing is to add another layer to your offense with Andy and Terry. Right now it feels like you really want space to zone/do your thing which is fine when you can enforce your game plan, however when I got up close it seemed like your go to move was to try and recreate that mid to full screen spacing. You can especially see this in the second match Andy vs Liz, it was a chase down

Try and get comfortable playing in tighter conditions, this will help you out 2 ways; it’ll make your movements less predictable because you won’t immediately always be going backwards and that unpredictability will then allow to you to occasionally recreate that space you want to establish your game plan while also having a plan B for when that goes sideways because that happens in KOF to all players

[jolly badge]

If I can add a bit to that, I just finished watching the matches, and Smoke has a great point.

I get that your neutral is probably your best trait atm, and you do zone well
But you shouldn't just rely on it
I think it would be good for you to practice your pressure in general, with all three characters
Hop pressure, safe jumps, meaties, low light confirms, empty jumps into lows, all that kind of stuff you can do once you get in to keep attacking
Ofc I wouldn't recommend trying to learn all of it at once, I still haven't been able to fully implement safe jumps into all my characters, but these are techniques that can level up your game extremely fast

[jolly badge]

@dull bone @rocky bloom
Sorry I'm late! But I'm here to give feedback on the matches I watched and even participated today

@dull bone
Honestly, I don't even have much to tell you besides what me and Smoke said earlier. Just focus on your rushdown, and pressure. It'll be good for your BM specially, as she is a rushdown char, she would benefit A LOT from better pressure. Other than that, amazing neutral as always, and you almost took that game against me! I was actually serious, I wasn't holding back nor anything. So congrats! You are going great!

@rocky bloom
It was my first time fighting you, and I don't think I even watched you playing before, so I can't say for sure how much progress you're making
But what I felt today was that you have good fundamentals. You can play lots of characters and you have a good understanding of the game. You did some good combos against Dyl and you have good reactions. But your biggest problem is actually your offense. I played defensive against you, and most of the damage I caused came from anti airs and parries. You jump too much, and after a little while it became repetitive and predictabo.
I'd tell you to abuse more other ways of getting in!
Use Maxima's armor more, Kyo has LOTS of different options, low options, grabs, and stuff

King is a zoner and you did play the zoning well, but you should abuse more the air fireballs. If you're jumping, you can't be hit by reppuken, and the heavy version actually sends you back a little. So try to use it more.

Other than that, please don't be shaken by the ocv, you actually did well! You just had one problem that I capitalized A LOT on

[jolly badge]

@lofty radish
You were actually very good!
I didn't expect to actually find a very difficult match
Your Athena was very hard to deal with, specially with Angel that struggles with zoning and with being pressured, and you did both well!
Meitenkun was also VERY hard to deal with, maybe because I didn't know the MU at all, but I couldn't handle the pressure and neutral at all, I was scared of doing anything
Clark in my experience was the easist to deal with, but you did very well with him against Melton, so I won't say he is the weakest of your group, maybe just against my team

In general, I feel like you really know your characters and their gameplan. Your neutral is good with all of them and you know how to pressure and what to do with each
But your defenses were lacking with all of them and you couldn't handle well my pressure
You also jumped a lot at midrange, so I anti aired a lot
But then again, amazing job!
You did very well!
I hope we can play more if not today, in the future for sure!

[lofty radish]

Thanks for the nice words and write up! You’re definitely one of the best players here so it’s always good to try to measure up how well I do compared to the best

[jolly badge]

You are a very strong player

[lofty radish]

I would like to think my defense is decent but the fact that you’re using a very strong mixup character in angel and both shermies that can kill you in 2 touches obviously doesn’t make it easy lol

[jolly badge]

Lol
You are right, my team doesn't help much

But you are right, your reactions were on point

You did DP with Meit very well on reaction

Athena too

[lofty radish]

Clark also doesn’t have a good reversal so he’s in trouble when he’s being pressured unlike Meitenkun who has the fk

Athena is my only chance against the angel

Which is part of the reason why I dislike playing @torpid grotto since you’re not allowed to play your game but you have to play to counter the angel

[jolly badge]

Lmfao
Howl's Angel is MUCH more annoying than mine

[torpid grotto]

[lofty radish]

And both Luong and mai have big buttons too which is annoying in their own right

[torpid grotto]

I like them because they’re cool…

[knotty oriole]

@livid knot the Ralf definitely improved. How did he fair after the patch?

[livid knot]

Mainly nerfed ralf kick to be more unsafe and never plus.

[knotty oriole]

What about the rest of his toolset?

[livid knot]

I would say mostly the same.

[tall geode]

Think the main things I noticed was how mobile you are and how strong your neutral game is. It was quite challenging to get in and get any kind of offense going on my end especially with Yuri. Doesn’t help that I have trouble with all 3 of those characters, which is fine I need the MU experience. It took way too long but eventually I realized that the best move was to aim for where I thought you’d be not where you were because by the time I got there you were likely in another part of the stage lol

Nice job taking advantage of Athena’s mobility too, got hit many times with the jump back into forward dive roll kick 😹 If I had to give advice I’d say to maybe incorporate back dashing instead of back rolling, as it’s way less risky. If you get tagged it’s likely just a stray hit, on a roll there’s a decent chance of a full punish

Really good games, I need a lot more practice dealing with zoning (I’m sure you noticed me practicing Just Defend) thanks for the sets @lofty radish

[lofty radish]

Don’t have much advice to give since you obviously are a better player. One thing I couldn’t understand was why you decide to just block all the Athena psycho balls for half the round before deciding to do anything. I guess to build meter? But then you would do the ex grab and if it misses, you lose out on the meter. Your hop game and side switch game are really strong and like all the top players here like luna and mac and howl, you just need one touch to do major damage with both Shunei and Elisabeth (I wish I can do that with my characters). @tall geode

I guess one thing I noticed is I think your offense is kinda predictable? Like I have an idea of your habits, but it’s more that I don’t know how to take advantage of it

Besides that, as I said, your executions are top notch and your hard work and the way you strategize and think about the game shows

You are definitely champion rank level

[jolly badge]

Smoke is probably our best player in terms of adaptability and active strategy mid match
It's abysmal how fast he thinks and adapts mid match

[tall geode]

@lofty radish (in case you didn’t know apologies if this is a rehash) When we block an attack at just the moment before it hits, our character flashes white for a moment and we gain extra meter. Believe it’s called Just Defend so yeah I was practicing that since there was a hail of projectiles heading towards me lol. EX grab is projectile invulnerable after frame 8 and sets up a safe jump for Yuri so that was my thought process. And yeah it missed a few times 🤭

Agree my offense needs more variety, it’s a thing I’ve been working on (run up low lights and cross ups especially) but against stronger players I tend to revert to “what works” which is stuff I have dialed in aka banging on the front door

Same goes for my neutral which is why I’ve got these big combos and all this time spent practicing hit confirms. It’s not the best and may only get a touch or 2 so need to make them count 🔥 Btw I counted the score and we ended on 9-6 so give yourself some more credit

Thanks @jolly badge I appreciate the kind words! Been trying to stay in the moment while also hopefully taking a peek into the future. In a game as fast as KOF it’s a challenge but fun to try

[lofty radish]

I wasn’t aware of the just defend, though now you mention it, I think I heard about it. I guess unless you’re really just practicing it, would just doing light saiha gain you more meter AND not take block damage?

My neutral and hopping game are still severely lacking and I still have trouble opening people up as Clark has no access to crossups and Meiten crossup is not easy and even harder to combo off of since you have to be charging

Meiten normals just feel bad and feels like they lose against every interactions

Clark I feel I have to win so many times in neutral since his damage is bad. He has oki but it’s a 50/50 guessing game

Athena I feel like just like a lame player zoning but it works I guess

[tall geode]

I could try light Saiha but it’s risky longer term. 14F startup and if my opponent is varying the speed of their fireball like you were it could spell trouble quick. Blocking also allows me to see if there’s a pattern developing and just take a moment to think about what I should do. Still lots of work for me to do there though

With Clark I think the scariest ones act like a wall. Never moving backwards always holding their ground and waiting for the grab. Once you get hops dialed in, hop A into EX tackle is so so spooky and it only takes one HKD for the blender to start. Seems like the optimal spacing for him is far C range

Agree Meiten seems like a tough character, charging is tough for me which is why I stick to motion characters. Think he benefits from the same stuff Clark does which is catching people sleeping at the wheel. I’m sure you’ll continue to develop him, he’s an awesome character

The way you play Athena is more than fine, she builds meter, doesn’t need a lot (but can spend if needed) and if you decide to add more rushdown into the mix it just makes her scarier, doesn’t have to be either/or

[torpid grotto]

Just defend is probably gonna be unreliable online, but it’s definitely a great tool, and I agree with you, just keep blocking until you can see if a pattern develops is a great strategy!

[tall geode]

I keep going back to this advice tricky gave a bunch of us a while back. It was basically, “learn to be calm while under attack and use that time to think of what you’re going to do when you get your turn back. Don’t panic and don’t mash just observe what they are doing”

[torpid grotto]

You have to do this while getting pressured regardless a better player will make you wait, sometimes it’s hard to recognize that the same applies to other scenarios like fireball spam

[tall geode]

Yeah. It would have never occurred to me had she not said that (or taken ages to figure out on my own lol). Way back when I first started playing I had this issue with getting cornered and my opponent full jumping over and over (and over) while feeling forced to block. It’s fake as fuck but if you’re new feels pretty real. I’ll never forget the time it was happening yet again and I just realized mid match, holy shit I can just roll forward and blow this up 😹 This game is full of moments like that

[torpid grotto]

I still struggle with this and tricky was able to beat my ass like that pretty easily so does Daru but I guess I don’t grind against people who do it enough

[tall geode]

Public room is full of players who will test our reactions and patience to various things. Recently had a Kyo do up kicks on me a couple times and I let him get away with it (so he kept doing it) until I remembered that it’s not safe anymore lol. There’s tons of shit like that and I’m obviously not a pro either so I hear ya

[wanton sierra]

@abstract swift if you would be so kind

I would like to denote areas of improvement and where I need to improve further from your pov

[abstract swift]

Neutral wise, your Beni is a liability lol

He's probably your weakest link at this time

[wanton sierra]

Hm

Any specific you just "neutral"

[abstract swift]

All you do is specials or the twist kick thing lol

[wanton sierra]

Why the lol?

And noted

[abstract swift]

Cuz you don't use any of his buttons in comparison to like King or Shermie

[wanton sierra]

I swear in my head I am

[abstract swift]

Nah, far from

[wanton sierra]

I'll try and force it next time then

[abstract swift]

I get filtered by King because I suck against zoning and I have to watch when I approach against Shermie cuz of her options

Beni I'm like. Whatever, I'll let you come to me and die

[wanton sierra]

Hm

[queen kraken]

you didnt ask me but i think what hes saying about beni applies to shermie as well. You werent really neutraling with her just betting on a reversal to land. Luckily she can cash out on those and beni cant so it feels more successful but its the same concept.

id win neutral go for a meaty jump in and eat 60%+ off that reversal grab.

it hurt but its a crutch

[abstract swift]

I spaced off every SKD/HKD calling the reversal, this is on me for not making you eat shit, but you whiffed a reversal EASILY 60-70% of the time @wanton sierra

[abstract swift]

@tidal gust what's the tech good sir

[tidal gust]

For Angel or how I play?

[abstract swift]

Angel is my biggest issue, I get greedy with your other characters

Maybe it's greed against Angel too though lol

Everyone else is whatever but the toll of Angel is too much lol

[tidal gust]

I see. Well you need to disrespect her more.

Letting her get started his like pure suicide.

[abstract swift]

Thing is she's beating me on shit she shouldn't beat me on

That's the annoying part

[tidal gust]

Here’s the thing.

Rock can punish her 2 enders with his counter.

The flip kick, and straight punch ended.

[abstract swift]

That's a hard read but I see that, I do it sometimes against uhhh... everyone else's Angel but yours lol

The mix is too real

[tidal gust]

Well, I don’t know what to tell you.

Other than when you preempt anti air and jump back blow back.

It’s pretty effective against her.

Since her buttons in neutral are kind of bad.

[abstract swift]

They gotta nerf that hit grab lmao, criminal it catches hops

[tidal gust]

Her air normals are below average.

[abstract swift]

Probably beat me to the punch and yours came out before but I traded way more than I thought

So idk if it was just the preemptive timing you did you get around that or what

[tidal gust]

It’s preemptive

Your characters normals both on the ground and air are way better than hers.

[abstract swift]

Which is what I'm used to, so for me to lose to angel in neutral on more interactions was something else tonight lmao

That's what I should start with

Because she beat me on way more things than she ever should

Like, ever.

[tidal gust]

@abstract swift Yeah. You let me get away with some things with her I shouldn’t have.

But it takes time. I’m sure you didn’t fight Angel that use the techniques I do.

[abstract swift]

100% lmao

No one plays Angel like you do

So it's definitely a learning curve

Everyone else I have some sort of MU xp and it's just a patience thing but that Angel really sets the tone of the set if you don't shut that shit down early

[tidal gust]

I really study the ins and outs of her character.

[abstract swift]

As you should 🤙🏼

[tidal gust]

And if you play me enough, I’m sure you’ll deal with “scummy” Angel play.

I admit, my Angel is scummy.

[abstract swift]

I'll be able to beat every Angel in the world lolll

[tidal gust]

But straightforward.

@abstract swift You will in time. That’s why I’m here. I always am learning to fight Terry and Rock.

Those two really make me nervous.

[abstract swift]

Good shit tonight though, I gotta figure it out. There were some matches I felt like I made a breakthrough like, "okay this is working, I should stick to this plan" n that wasn't the case so. Definitely something I gotta hone

Rock I don't plan on sticking with, idk. I might. I don't use all his options though, which I should

Terry too. I'm still inconsistent with his meatie/oki setups

[tidal gust]

Yeah. Terry’s buttons in neutral are so cracked.

It’s like Clark but has a projectile.

[abstract swift]

Terry has fat recovery though so if you can get around to a properly timed whiff, you'll be fine. A lot of Terry's I fight against rely too heavy on his specials than his buttons

@dull bone that means you 👀

[tidal gust]

@abstract swift Also, my advice.

Space the BK

Because Angel gets a free command grab.

[abstract swift]

Yeah. Those were gambles, I won't lie lmao

[tidal gust]

So does O Yashiro.

[scarlet delta]

…. O Yashiro gets a free command grab after burn knuckle….

[going back to the Labbing O Yashiro room]

[tidal gust]

I don’t know if you noticed but during our sets I was baiting and positioning myself for a burning knuckle to get a feee command grab.

@abstract swift

And it worked.

@scarlet delta Yeah. If Terry doesn’t space it correctly. It’s a free hcf command grab.

Aka free damage.

Aka 60-70% of your health gone.

[abstract swift]

Right. I got pretty ignorant with OYash n Angel mostly cuz those two I'm trying to figure out what works n what doesn't. That's not to say I didn't play against your other characters too, no, I just have a decent understanding of what I can do, where, when etc

I think my weakest match up atm is Angel, Heidern n oYash for sure

I play some other characters besides the team I use now but they're not fleshed out 😛 same with Geese. I think I got his neutral now but I stink with ex combos (and they're not even hard to do!)

Ggs overall, hopefully I make a breakthrough next set 🤞🏼

[tidal gust]

@abstract swift Likewise dude. GGs once again.

[dull bone]

Im tryin to implement a light confirm I swear

2B, 2A, 3C, 236A is currently what Im using

Its tricky, but im trying to use it instead of mindlessly mashing burn knuckle and power dunk🫡

[abstract swift]

2c is special cancellable so use that for further ranges

[dull bone]

Didn't know that

Isnt it a mid tho?

[abstract swift]

Yes, but it's a good poke n if you get it, you got a combo

At closer range, you can combo 2c into 6a

[jolly badge]

REALLY?
Angel can punish BK with command grab?
I thought it was too slow!
Does it have to be EX?

[tidal gust]

@jolly badge You can with regular version if the Terry player doesn’t press a button after the BK.

Ex version is completely free.

You can use the meterless option, but has a chance of being beaten out by a button.

[jolly badge]

Cool!!!!!
Will lab that later today!
Thank you so much!

[tidal gust]

@jolly badge One last thing. Regular command grab works on Ex BK clean.

Cause there’s a bit of recovery before Terry can press a button.

[jolly badge]

Wow, really?
I REALLY need to lab that
I truly underestimate Angel command grab
It's not as shit as I thought

It's not even bad tbh
But I'm so used to Shermie that other command grabs seem so stubby and weird

Lmao

[tidal gust]

@jolly badge Trust me. I’m the specialist(?)

I think.

But anyway. If the Terry player uses reversal after the EX BK. Rip command grab. Regular.

[jolly badge]

Yes
You are our Angel specialist now

[jolly badge]

Yeah, we getting DPed
Maybe not if we do the EX version
Shermie actually punishes BKs, so there's not even time for them to try dp

[tidal gust]

@jolly badge Yeah. Ex is free.

Not even the player can get the reversal out in time before the recovery sets in.

In short. Still a free grab.

[jolly badge]

Yeah, that is GREAT to know, really
I needed that

AH
Also!!!!!
Thank you for showing me how good Angel j. A into j. 2D actually is

[tidal gust]

@jolly badge No prob. Anything for our sexy little blood knight.

[jolly badge]

I've been hitting A LOT of people with it because they block the first hit and then try to block low
Lmfao

Free jump ins

[jolly badge]

Doing that alone has literally gotten my Angel to almost OCV a LOT of people in ranked with her

[tidal gust]

@jolly badge So you’re thanking me.

[jolly badge]

Yes!
Thank you very much!

[tidal gust]

I didn’t do anything that special.

[jolly badge]

Little things sometimes are game changing

[tidal gust]

@jolly badge It was you that made the effort to adhere to those adjustments. It was your efforts, not my presence or my ability to play the character.

[jolly badge]

Being able to punish Terry BK was game changing for my Shermie
And will be for Angel too

And you using the double hit jump in on me has led to some super easy victories in ranked

[jolly badge]

My efforts were made MUCH easier just by listening to you and trying to copy a bit of what you did in our matches

[tidal gust]

@jolly badge But you made the effort to improve your game.

The credit goes to your efforts.

I didn’t do anything special.

[jolly badge]

My brother used to call me Kakashi
Most of my improvements come from stealing and adapting tech from people
Without you, I wouldn't have been able to improve
Or it would've takes stupidly long for me to figure these things out by myself
Lmao

[tidal gust]

@jolly badge I’m honoured you care for me. So, I’ll accept your thanks.

And also accept your efforts you put in to improve. If I helped I feel honoured.

If you need some advice I’ll be glad to help. I’m not a pro but I do what I can to improve.

[jolly badge]

You should!

[jolly badge]

You are our Angel specialist now

[tidal gust]

@jolly badge Oh yes, speaking of Angel’s Ja x J2D. If the opponent is blocking it consistently go for the Ja then go for the 2b, since they’ll be expecting the 2nd part of the overhead, they’ll not consider the low if they’re no pay attention.

Just something to share and consider.

[lofty radish]

Angel mix is very very hard to defend against. That double overhead which can be mixed up to overhead low is basically a 50-50 guessing game and if you guessed wrong, you lose half your life. Just very unfun to fight against (which is the reason some people dislike fighting howl haha). I totally understand @abstract swift ‘a frustrations against kirito’s Angel yesterday. Imo, the best way to fight angel is to completely avoid her mixup, which is why my best and only counter against her is if I use Athena since she has a runaway offense (yuri prolly works well too). I noticed when I played against her, @jolly badge would switch her team order so that her angel doesn’t get matched against the Athena, which basically means I won’t be able to win against her angel. Anyways, Angel forces you to change the way you play your game, which makes her not fun to fight against

[abstract swift]

It's the liberal use of Angel's hit grab and that it's safe is the cherry on top. 😮‍💨 you're always in neutral

[tidal gust]

@lofty radish My Angel isn’t that great in the mix ups and other things. I’m too straightforward with her. I just go in and do what I have to do. Nothing special really. 😐

[lofty radish]

Yeah that hitgrab grabs you out of the air despite what the animation implies, it’s kinda whack tbh

[lofty radish]

I’ve seen your angel and what you can do with her 😉

[abstract swift]

Oooohhhh man the fact that it hits you mid hop is absolutely tilting

I mean same with Clark's but, maaaan. At least you can punish it. Angel recovers quick enough that you can't

[lofty radish]

Yep if you block Clark’s hitgrab,, he’s dead

There is pushback if you block Angel’s hitgrab. I think you can sweep her but not do close heavy to punish

Can rock far C hit as punish?

@abstract swift

[abstract swift]

Nothin

She blocks 😦

I'll get the occasional hit but it's more so because Kirito/angel pressed a slower button, but it doesn't read punish

So I'm very seldom expecting the hit

[lofty radish]

-2 on block but looks like it’s safe

[abstract swift]

-2 is pretty stellar, you just lose your turn

Terry n Rock have enders like that in theri kick specials

Geese has like a -7 in his rekka but I usually just do the starter because the other hits + that gives me enough space that I'm "safe"

[lofty radish]

Yep -2 is only punishable by throw but due to pushback, Angel will be too far away to throw, so she just loses her turn

[worn arch]

What happened to #1021448500518584341 ?

[lofty radish]

It’s still there?

[worn arch]

Maybe it’s not popping up in the drop down cause it hasn’t been active in a while

[smoky parcel]

It is safe and pushes you back, I’ve only had success DP this or vertical jump and some clutch ass times, but this move is super fast to react too. Have also been pulled out of hop startup many times in the past as well

[smoky parcel]

Ngl can u parry this ?

[abstract swift]

Good question, I think so?

[lofty radish]

It is a hitgrab so you should be able to

[tall geode]

I was wondering about this after our last matches thanks for the explanation @tidal gust

@lofty radish Angel is a mini game, no two ways about it. Jump at her. I know it goes against traditional fighting game conventions but she has poor AA and is typically forced to meet her opponents in the air with j.A or j.D which she gets nothing off of afaik. It’s a return to neutral

She can AA with EX dash but pretty sure that’s a hard read on Angels part. But yeah basically keep her out until you get a knockdown then go ham or bait the counter super. It’s not a great plan and certainly isn’t foolproof by any means but fighting her on the ground or trying to play KOF with her is what she wants

[jolly badge]

OHHHHHHH
Wow! Amazing!

[jolly badge]

Yeah, if I see King or Athena on ranked or something, I will put Angel on mid instead of point
I struggle with her against zoning

[jolly badge]

It is safe, but you can punish it with a back jump, if I'm not mistaken
Daru at least does it a lot to me, he jumps back and hits the jump in combo, which usually deals A LOT of damage

[jolly badge]

If you get in, just pressure her as much as you can
Besides her counter super, which costs a full bar and is punishable af if you bait it, she doesn't have a good anti air nor reversal

[tall geode]

Right, seems like we’re saying the same thing in slightly different ways. Totally agree

[jolly badge]

Yes, sorry
I was trying to agree and maybe add a bit to what you said

Lol

It's kinda fun tbh imo to go from Angel to O. Shermie in my team
Angel probably has the worst defense in the game, and O. Shermie is literally a zoner with one of the best buttons, 2C

[tall geode]

As far as zoners go (they give me a headache too lol) there’s 2 main styles I see. Pure keep out zoners, these are your fireball throwers and as soon as we close in, what do they do? Everything in their power to escape lmao! Take advantage of that

The other type are trickier because they will zone until we get close and then suddenly attack. Hardest part is figuring out which type of player we’re up against. None of this is to say that it’s easy and I’m sure there’s other styles but this is what I see the majority of the time

[jolly badge]

Hyper different gameplays and require opposite strategies

[tall geode]

I also kind of “stack” my team from weakest to strongest so I get you on the above

[jolly badge]

I guess I fit in better with the second style
I studied O. Shermie's combos, normals and pressure too much not to use it when I have the chance
Lol

[tall geode]

Right. Imo O. Shermie isn’t a zoner in the same way that King or Athena are; yeah she has a projectile and the orbs but those are just tools to set up what you’ve mentioned. Pure zoners will kill with nothing more than fireball and AA

Oh and being annoying 😹

[jolly badge]

Yeah, it's what I usually say
O. Shermie has everything, but isn't exceptional in any of it
She can be zoned out by a true zoner
And isn't strong enough close up to deal with Ryo, Terry or the others
Her setups aren't as elaborate as Angel

But the fact that she does all that to an extent makes her strong imo

[jolly badge]

Psycho Ball literally kills me inside
I play better against Athena with my TV on mute
Lmfao

[tall geode]

One of my favorite things about Yuri EX run grab (besides projectile invulnerability) is how rudely it cuts off the voice lines of whoever is throwing fireballs

“Psyc…” gets yoked up and smacked 1000 times

[jolly badge]

LMFAO
Yes!!!!!

[scarlet delta]

Daru’s Athena is something else

[scarlet delta]

@lofty radish any thoughts?

I think Iori prolly has my soundest neutral for whatever reason and I can just go in no problem w/ him

[lofty radish]

Yeah one big thing is maintaining pressure and control of the match

Meaning you are all too willing to give up control after you do a combo for example and reset to neutral

Allowing me to regain composure

Being able to maintain pressure is really strong

You notice how I keep continuing to do hop pressure

[scarlet delta]

How do I keep that up? Sometimes when I finish a combo I’m always like uhhhh okay now what

[lofty radish]

Super effective in those rock matches

[lofty radish]

Usually I instantly go for hop pressure

After each knockdown

There are more nuances like learning safe jumps but I’m not there yet myself

[scarlet delta]

I would try that sometimes I couldn’t tell whether u were getting AA’s

I can’t remember LOL

[lofty radish]

By rehopping, my reward for landing them is huge. If you anti air me or jab me out, I only receive small damage

Hops in general are just really hard to defend against

[scarlet delta]

true true true

[lofty radish]

By being on offense, you are at an advanatage

Both kyo and Iori have really good buttons and hop mix

Iori can do crossup pressure like Athena

Taco pressure

[scarlet delta]

Yeah I was trying to Jump taco after HKD, it would go into J.B a bunch of times

I know I did get that one combo into super off taco I think in one of the last games tho?

[lofty radish]

Yeah I strongly recommend labbing it so it’s natural for you to do it

Yeah I really like you converting those into that big Iori combo you showed

It killed Meiten that one match for big damage

It might be worth learning kyo’s frametraps

Especially at anchor

[scarlet delta]

I wanna keep him Mid prolly or point

[lofty radish]

Okay! I’m sure Daru can give some kyo specific advise!

[scarlet delta]

👌👌👌👌

Yeah I just need more time back in the dojo I feel

[lofty radish]

For sure! There’s definitely rust there

[scarlet delta]

it’s been a minute haha, I had a friend visit me this past weekend so couldn’t play

[lofty radish]

But the combos are way better since the last time!

[scarlet delta]

Thanks ! 🫡

#IoriArmy

[lofty radish]

Yeah and you were just more tentative it seems

I feel you were more aggressive before

[scarlet delta]

Yeah only one who was aggressive was Iori

[lofty radish]

Trying to sit there and just defend against hop pressure is not a good idea

You can try pressing jabs to trade at the very least

[tall geode]

I’m butting in but here goes anyway; hop/hyper hop CD, low meaty, meaty fireball and safe jump (when applicable) are all good options after you’ve done a combo or gotten a HKD

[rocky bloom]

Whatever you did with Iori vs Maxima I had no answer, once you started the pressure I couldn't get you off of him

[abstract swift]

@jolly badge I think right now it's just a comfort thing with your characters. Move more (hops/jumps) or don't be afraid to throw out some normals. Rock n especially Geese have great hop checks in 5d

So stick within that range to snuff hops and then start your pressure

[jolly badge]

Aye

True that

Should I go for more empty hops?

Btw I don't even notice myself because I'm too absorbed while playing

[abstract swift]

With basic high/low characters, it's a matter of quick conditioning to stop the opponents approach, taking your turn for pressure, and then resetting

[jolly badge]

Do I normal jump too much instead of hopping?

Hmm I see

[abstract swift]

Rock in the corner gets a bit of a buff because of heavy tatsu, his overhead kick, and his cmd grab so cycle through those

[jolly badge]

Yup true i don't take advantage of that

[abstract swift]

Mid screen you could rekka (his run) more and go for an overhead, side switch or stop early. All of which are risky but it's worth noting I cover with Reppuken too

[jolly badge]

With geese right?

Or rock

[abstract swift]

Rock

[jolly badge]

Ah the run with rock okay

Yeah yeah

[abstract swift]

With Geese, if you're gonna play passive, try to gave the foresight of what it is you're looking for, whether that's an air approach or the run/low, so you can counter appropriately and then start your approach

I would ease up on his air fireball, it's not that good as a zoning tool

It's good as an EX because you don't lose momentum

[jolly badge]

Yeah true I'm starting to notice the air fireball is not that great

Ah ok ok

Didn't know that

[abstract swift]

Yeah you just toss it and continue your hop/jump path

[jolly badge]

Yup

[abstract swift]

Air fireball does have its uses though, you could feint point blank, jump back and then fireball to catch a tick of damage

[jolly badge]

Yeah I see what you mean and the kind of usage it could have! Thanks

[abstract swift]

I normally don't play Rock the way I did LOL I just wanted to show some things that you can do when you have the option to pressure

His jB is very good to cover your approach, use that more

jCD too

[abstract swift]

@jolly badge I see it this way

The specials/frame traps are the Shermie Blitz, right? Playing keep away and the neutral is that grey area in between. You want to try n win neutral to get access to the shermie blitz, but if you can't, then it's just a neutral off, which Shermie is a little weaker than most, right?

You roll a lot but that's just me thinking you'll play neutral against me but you roll LOL and it works. I wouldn't change it because of the options you already have at your disposal

So if playing footsies/neutral isn't your thing, you can kind of get around it with how you play already. But people who space after a HKD might punish you hard on the roll, AA on the jump, and if you're weak at neutral, then you're a sitting duck, yknow?

You almost play like Bubs, but on crack. Once that pressure starts, it's v hard to escape but if the opponent plays keep away/neutral then it's anyone's game and I'd even go as far as to say as you're at slight disadvantage

And by slight I mean, maybe 1%. Shermie has a great jCD and she still has cross options and the 50/50 setups

Playing anyone here will definitely work but to a keen eye, they might be able to pick it apart

Anywho, they were great sets and I learned a lot. This is all theory at the moment, so we'll see if it lasts on our next match up hahah

[jolly badge]

LMFAO
Almost died with this

[jolly badge]

Yes
I feel like my Shermie has no effect whatsoever against Daru and Tiago, who I've fought too many times already
I am kinda predictable after you get my habits and stuff

[jolly badge]

But I do agree!
Thank you VERY much for the big text!
I will try to work on my neutral and footies
Play more like O. Shermie for a bit
See what I can do and maybe incorporate both on my playstyle

[abstract swift]

It just struck me as odd that you're more comfortable with oShermie buttons than vanilla but I also didn't know that the frame data was different on their normals so, definitely experiment with what works n what doesn't

[jolly badge]

They weren't different in the beginning
But last patch, Shermie's buttons got the nerfs, and O. Shermie just kept the same
The problem is that I just can't get used to the nerfs and work around it because every time I get used to one, I do shit with the other
Lmao

But yes, thank you!
Next time, I'll have a better neutral

[frail shoal]

@indigo kestrel
I think you had a good understanding of neutral and all I would recommend is being a bit more aggressive. Especially with O Yashiro. The times where i was able to harass you the most was mostly fake pressure where I was able to take my turn again.
Also I'd practice a bit more on the blockstrings, most of the times you'd just do a single hit or 2 on block then give up ur turn.
With Yash/O Yash, I find ending block strings with a few jabs + far B gives me enough space to not feel pressured by the opponent do to the spacing afterwards

[indigo kestrel]

yeah, i tend to block too much. also, how should i go about learning blockstrings? most of the guides i've found on youtube are combo videos. should i try to find them by labbing?

[abstract swift]

If I may chime in, safe strings with oYash would look like 2b, 2b, 2a since they have generous reach and are fast! You'd be far enough where your next move could be a hop, or you might be able to backdash because the only option the opponent could do is a sweep. I don't play oYash though LOL so this is more of a universal tip than anything @indigo kestrel

[frail shoal]

This is how I approached it. You can set a recording and make the computer do an option like sweep or a crouching light and as long as they can't interrupt u when ur doing it then it's a valid one.
Also frame display helps, if the move is -- then it tends to be punishable bit spacing also comes into play

2a, 2a, 2a, 5b
2a, 2a, 5b is what works for me when I play normal yash

Close 5C, 6a is safe too

[indigo kestrel]

okay, I see. thanks for the tips you two! 🙂 I've been avoiding to actually lab long enough, i've mostly been practising combos and hopping

[lofty radish]

@indigo kestrel have you seen this o yashiro video? It’s an anti o yashiro tech but it teaches you a lot about o yashiro as well

https://youtu.be/FgW73AXrD4Q

[scarlet delta]

The Dandy J guide on O Yash is very good too

[indigo kestrel]

i have, thx. that's where i learned that j.c needs to be done from a jump in order to actually cross up

[scarlet delta]

https://youtu.be/ycDbXskltqs

[lofty radish]

That one is great as well!

[lofty radish]

You need to return to using king gorilla

[scarlet delta]

I need to return to the game over all haha

Work, school, and friends visiting (which is epic) taking up a ton of my time lately

I need to give mr yash another shot

Team 2 Revival ??? (Vanessa, O Yash, K’???)

[lofty radish]

@unreal night let me know if you’re interested in some feedback. I think I see some obvious areas that will easily improve your game

[unreal night]

Yeah whatever feedback you can give

[lofty radish]

Okay I’ll write some down when I get home!

[unreal night]

Thanks Oliver

I didn't even know this was a place lol

[lofty radish]

@unreal night so this is what I’ve observed from our matches. First off, I think you are already at a fantastic pace given that this is just your second week playing the game. You already have a lot of neutral down, are able to do hops, and even was able to hit some combos

Some of things that I thought you did well:

1. Using back rolls to escape pressure. This is very important as most beginners tend to sit and try to defend against pressure but you are very good at getting away and creating space

2. reading hops and anti airing them with your invul DPs

The main thing I think you can easily improve on is to make use of your EX moves. This allows you to set up either damage or create big combos. Too often you end the match with a full bar

For character specific advice, I thought the Kula is in great place. You were able to hit her main combo twice on me and that’s fantastic

I especially liked that you were able to do a jump in combo into close heavy 6A ex breath then you did the ex tatsu combo. That’s what I meant by using ex moves to create big combos

You should make use of her far B and 2B pokes more as well as her stand CD (use this just outside of sweep range along with her ice breath to create a wall)

For Isla, I know her the least, but I like that you are able to catch me with her dash attack

Isla has the crossup jump D that I think it’s important for you to learn

And use also the ex dive kick to start your combos

Jenet I feel has the most areas that you can improve on

You like throwing out her fake dp attack which as you can see was very unsafe and resulted in me using a huge combo everytime I blocked it

You can use it after you hit confirm with 2B then you can followup with either her air attack or a super.

Use it also as a read on people jumping in from afar

But instead of using it, what you should use more is her 214A attack. It’s a safe block string

And if you hit confirm, use the ex version which will stagger the opponent then you can use the 236C attack into super for a bigger punish

That’s what I’ve observed. Hope this helped and let me know if you have questions

[unreal night]

Thanks a lot man, this is great!

I'm really bad at using meter at the moment. I feel like I lose a lot of opportunities to capitalise

[lofty radish]

Oh the main thing for Jenet is using her air dash attack. It’s very safe and you should use it to catch people trying to go in against you

[unreal night]

I'm happy about what you said about rolls and stuff tho

Jenet, unfortunately I haven't really touched her yet

[lofty radish]

Yeah no worries, that’s something you can pick up. Just need to be conscious of using the ex moves

[unreal night]

I'm just mashing stuff lol

And yeah I really have to stop using her 236 kick

[lofty radish]

Ah yeah, that makes sense why she’s your weakest then

[unreal night]

Im happy about what you said about Kula too

She's the character I feel most comfortable with

[lofty radish]

I was happily surprised when you hit her combo on me

[unreal night]

I'll try and use her far B and 2B like you said. And CD

[unreal night]

I was too ngl lol

[lofty radish]

Yeah and Ice breath as well. It’s really good

[unreal night]

Yeah

I feel like it can be quite unsafe if you use it recklessly tho?

I get punished a lot

[rocky bloom]

Your team causes me pain, you won't be in our squad for long

[lofty radish]

Yeah but I think it’s safer than most projectiles

[unreal night]

Mhm, I think my problem there is being used to faster recovery in anime fgs

[lofty radish]

You can even just randomly throw out the ex version if you have meter. The reward is very good

[unreal night]

Yeah Isla and Jenet I really need to work on. I really struggle to confirm from Islas 2b

[lofty radish]

It creates enough of a pushback I believe to make it safe

[lofty radish]

Both Isla and Jenet don’t have traditional confirms which makes them harder

[unreal night]

Ah ok

I should probably look into that then

The main Isla combo I know is from cC

So I've been trying to hop into it

[lofty radish]

Also Kula 214C is a reflector

To counter the psycho ball

[unreal night]

Oh yeah I'm not using that

I need to

[lofty radish]

Jenet 214C reflects as well

[unreal night]

What?

Lol

[lofty radish]

I’m like 80% sure of that

[queen kraken]

it is correct

i dont think it reflects, just dissipates

[lofty radish]

A lot of characters have reflect

That are not obvious

[unreal night]

I noticed you using one with Athena earlier

Against Dyl

[lofty radish]

Oh yeah Athena has the obvious one

It’s what makes her good with zoning

[unreal night]

Yeah your zoning is good with her

Also king

I think?

[lofty radish]

She is one of the best zoners

Yeah king is too

[unreal night]

I was overall quite happy after our games earlier

My main goal was to start landing hops

And hyper hops

[lofty radish]

I’m glad! I see the big improvements

[unreal night]

[lofty radish]

I’m pretty sure you landed one with Kula for the big combo

[unreal night]

Yeah

Not sure if it was a hop or jump

But still

[lofty radish]

That’s better than a ton of people already

[unreal night]

I've been practicing hops quite a bit the last few days so I'm happy

[lofty radish]

Oh another thing is to make use of doing the throw OS when blocking

[unreal night]

Oh man. I'm so bad at throwing lol

[lofty radish]

Just delay hold back C or back D when blocking. It will throw the opponent if they are not careful with their jump ins

Or their meaties

Landing a throw automatically sets you up to do hop pressure

[unreal night]

So it OSs throw or heavy?

[lofty radish]

Yeah

[unreal night]

Nice

[unreal night]

I need to work in this. I tried it a bit earlier

Like oki hop pressure?

[lofty radish]

Yeah. Notice I do it a lot after a hard knockdown

This can also set up your jump mixup with Isla

[unreal night]

I did, that's why I started trying it haha

[lofty radish]

For Athena, you can see me doing a hyper jump B to crossup after her throw

[unreal night]

Your crossup jump/hop is a killer man

I started being able to react eventually kinda

[lofty radish]

Athena is privileged with a fantastic crossup

Yeah you are great with dping my hops

[unreal night]

Haha thanks. I feel a lot more comfortable with DPs in this game tbh

Maybe cause I'm maining a DP character

[lofty radish]

That’s where safe jumps come in next which is what I’m trying to learn right now

This will OS if you dp my hops

[unreal night]

I really like Kula tho. When I accidentally put her as 2nd character it felt like maybe a good choice

[lofty radish]

It does give her access immediately to meter for her strong ex moves

[unreal night]

Yeah

Has access to meter, and can build more

For more damage

[lofty radish]

The reason why people put her point is that her combos do less damage than other characters

But she doesn’t need a lot of meter to do her combos

And she builds them fast

[unreal night]

Oh ok makes sense

Thanks a lot for the feedback

[lofty radish]

I’ve seen her at mid though

[lofty radish]

No problem! I’m happy you’re enjoying the game and want to do as much to keep you playing

[unreal night]

I'm enjoying it more than Strive now tbh

[lofty radish]

I’m secretly happy about that. Don’t tell the strive guys haha

[unreal night]

They probably know already

[lofty radish]

I think KoF gameplay is just more satisfying personally

[unreal night]

It feels very satisfying yeah

When you feel improvement

[lofty radish]

The execution barrier also gives you something to work for

[unreal night]

Yeah

I like the feel of combos too

[lofty radish]

It feels more earned

Yeah the combos are very fun to hit

Not fun when you get hit by them though lol

[unreal night]

Haha no

Especially someone like clark

[wanton sierra]

Or trying to make the opportunity

[unreal night]

One thing I've noticed

[lofty radish]

Yeah Clark animations take so long so it’s unfun haha

[unreal night]

It feels tempting to mash 2b. But it's difficult to confirm from it if you mash it

[lofty radish]

Plus the armor grab

[wanton sierra]

Plus Frankensteiner

[lofty radish]

Hmm. I think it’s a muscle memory thing. I don’t have issues with it but it’s good practice not to mash

It will eventually help you with 2B 2A combos

[unreal night]

How can I explain this...

If I mash 2b to tatsu, it misses a lot. If I hit 2b, wait a little and hit 2b to tatsu its good

It feels like the normal to special has to be quite fast

Strive feels a bit more lenient

[lofty radish]

That’s the way to do it. There’s a timing to it

But mashing has worked for me but it’s prolly not a good idea to do it as it will build bad habits

[unreal night]

Like, strive basically rewards mashing lol

[lofty radish]

Haha which is the reason why strive feels less rewarding imo

[unreal night]

Yeah

I think it's an anime fighter thing

[wanton sierra]

DBFZ autocombos

[jolly badge]

Well, Kof does have auto combos too
Lol

[unreal night]

True

But the thing is, they feel less intuitive to me

[wanton sierra]

Used way differently

[unreal night]

Also dbfz has auto combos from every normal

Kof it's just a?

[wanton sierra]

Close A

[unreal night]

Yeah