SNK Post-Match Discussion

[smoky parcel]

If I want to win that is

[torpid grotto]

@tall geode specifically what I can offer is your yuri jumps too much

I know you’ll disagree

[tall geode]

Howl I’m confused so don’t take this the wrong way, but you jump from the nearly the same range every time. Your characters all have strong air buttons so it works but there’s nothing dynamic about it. I wouldn’t tell you to stop jumping with Mai because…that’s a strength of hers

[smoky parcel]

You know what though, doing what you do with incorporating stronger ground pressure will definitely improve your game and mix and all that like you want

I always can recommend this

[tall geode]

I was really happy when I hit those couple of run up low full combos with Liz! Stoked

[smoky parcel]

You have been on this already

Yeah it’s really impressive and feels very rewarding

[tall geode]

I grinded that yesterday and the night before because I see you do it. Was like whoa when it worked

[torpid grotto]

No you’re 100 percent right

Not with angel not with luong not with mai

I jump in wayyy to much

Even with mai

[tall geode]

I did it with Yuri too but her low light hit confirm is tough

[torpid grotto]

And I don’t variate my jumps either that’s perfect advice and I know that

[tall geode]

Lol I wish I understood this reference

[torpid grotto]

I hope you know when I say stuff like “you jump too much” I’m not neglecting my own faults I know for a fact I jump too much as well

[smoky parcel]

Exactly I frequent standing normals in my chains feels easier to me

Like low into the stand one

[tall geode]

The one I see Yurikov do is 2B > 5B > 3D

[smoky parcel]

I have to do this with Terry

[tall geode]

That’s what I was trying

[smoky parcel]

You right

That’s what I do

With Kyo I can do whatever into 3D tho

Memory

[tall geode]

But like training myself to believe once I get that first low light is the next step

And not getting bopped on the way in lol

[torpid grotto]

@tall geode specifically our last ft10 both your yuri and my angel jumped every single interaction without missing a beat, the only variety was when you kept grounded to aa

That was it

[smoky parcel]

I need to play some angel but I be like nah I don’t feel like it

[tall geode]

Yeah so specifically against Angel I’m going to jump. A lot. Because she doesn’t have good AA. Trust me I know all about this because people rain down on Shun. It’s part of the deal of not having invincible reversal

Also jumping against Angel keeps me out of her bullshit better than trying to engage on the ground where she’s really strong

[smoky parcel]

Haha I agree here I usually spam them with fireball

[torpid grotto]

You do it on other matchups as well

But this was while you were fresh with her

Plus I’m going off of memory so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that I’m wrong

Next time we scrap I’ll record so we can both overlook it

Not just you lol all my mistakes as well

I will say this, could changed

Your Liz is your best low starter

You overhead overhead with shun a lot which I understand is his best block string? Or maybe it’s a mid but that elbow lol try mixing in more lows but I’m sure you already know and working on low confirms

[tall geode]

Yeah that sounds good Howl. I think it may be good for you to look at Yuris character page on DC to get an idea of why she’s in the air so much. She has very stubby normals on the ground so the only way her ground game gets established is to get the opponent to respect the air approach. I’m working on it

Trying to run in with her at the beginning is just not how I see her played tho that’s all. And yes my mix is still heavily skewed towards air stuff lol

[torpid grotto]

No no I understand she’s arial 100000 percent I know that’s her strength however from what I’ve seen unless you’re going for an AA you’re jumping every 100 percent of the time maybe I’m simply wrong but I doubt 10/10 times regardless of the situation attempting a jump in is the route

I’ll go binge some huir gameplay rn

Hopefully I’m not tempted to pick her up again

[smoky parcel]

I usually have to finesse and work with Yuri but usually the jump ins are the killer. Obviously though she does have very fast lows and normals. Shit can get kinda wild. I agree with what you are saying mostly

[torpid grotto]

Squishy has a great yuri and she does a very well job of mixing ground game

[tall geode]

Play eljay and get back to me. That man will constantly test his opponents AA it’s high key annoying AF but that’s why it works

[tall geode]

Again totally agree I can do better and that others do Yuri justice. I had dozens of hours with Robert and Kula before dropping them so pardon my dust while I go about this remodel

It’ll all be worth it

But right now if you look at my team the levels all over the place lol

[torpid grotto]

Nah you’re good homie

[tall geode]

Y’all are the best btw

I really appreciate that you guys have taken me in and are willing to share tech and feedback

I was lost trying to figure out how to play on my own

Still am just a little less lost is all

[torpid grotto]

Grass ain’t always greener buddy
My team is all the same level : ASS

[tall geode]

Lol it’s not but I was so bored with Kula and Robert. Can’t say that anymore

[torpid grotto]

That’s amazing you found your team

My Lulu is dookie
Angel got adhd
Mai is a spoiled privileged princess who just got her toys taken away

[lofty radish]

Lick her up again lol

[tall geode]

Luong is a fucking problem now

[torpid grotto]

Not mine

[torpid grotto]

*pick

That’s a bonk for you oli lol

[fickle plaza]

No luong is very honest

Howl downplay

Hurry up

[lofty radish]

Luong new meta

It’s over. You both are gonna get hate

[torpid grotto]

Yeah luong is ass. That’s all they gave her? 💤 when’s next buff

[tall geode]

Bro lol. That character is lying bitch in video game form

[lofty radish]

Blame xiaohai

[torpid grotto]

Not again

[torpid grotto]

Hey man she’s on my team show some respect

[fickle plaza]

Hey! Don’t calll her a liar

[torpid grotto]

Or a bitch!

[fickle plaza]

But you right

[tall geode]

Respectfully she’s full of shit

And I’m gonna have to deal with it lol

[torpid grotto]

Respectfully she’ll show you where she shits from

[fickle plaza]

Aight howl

[torpid grotto]

Luong is honesty!

[fickle plaza]

You’re done

[torpid grotto]

Fight me pussy

Yeah

Thought so

[fickle plaza]

Here we go

Shut up

[torpid grotto]

Go back to choosing a 3rd

Character crisis are cringe

[fickle plaza]

[torpid grotto]

[tall geode]

This. This right here. I feel it so hard, like you know exactly when to tap the brakes and watch me overextend on my (attempted) clap back and then I explode. The issue for me is that it feels like I should do something or you’ll just get to continue with whatever you’re doing

[fickle plaza]

@tall geode give me advice

HowL interrupted

[tall geode]

I will bro lol he does that huh

[torpid grotto]

Never

Anyways how’s the weather

Jk y’all do y’all

[smoky parcel]

This is how it is, at that point it like can you deal with what is presented to you

[tall geode]

Like I mentioned, you made my ground approach damn near impossible by consistently reacting to the run up. Good shit I really had no answer for it. I think Isla Luong Blue Mary is the squad for you but unsure of the order. Luong might be a contender for anchor now that her routes don’t drop but idk. Maybe just play around with the order but that lineup gave me issues. Like every time I killed a character it was, “Oh great now I got this next one on my plate. Awesome”. One other thing is the pressure > back dash to safety sequence. I know, lots of players do this in KOF (it hella works) but against some characters (Shun especially) you can get knocked down for it just because he has a move specifically for that. Also I’ll (try to) run up throw the back dash if it happens too often

Fucking great job beating my throw mash especially in the corner. Can tell you’ve been putting in work there. I need to do the same

Blue Mary especially is super tricky. One thing I see them do is go for the hop command grab after a block string. If I get to 5A happy trying to stop that, you can slicer for free

But yeah whatever you’re doing keep up the good work, you’re way stronger than the first time we played (you beat my ass then too)

[tall geode]

Yeah that’s the next layer. Like you expect the DP (and block it) so I need to do other shit

Or you expect the shield and stop right short and blow it up

[scarlet delta]

@dim shadow we played last night but do you have any advice for me really anything u remember ? Def were moments I was just playing reckless for fun that I can work on

@lofty radish you too ?

[lofty radish]

Not much criticism if any. You improved tremendously. I am very impressed with your QM conversions. Your defense has gotten better too! I saw your first match against cherry. That was hype!

You learned QM faster than me!

I think you are more than ready to go the next step. Don’t be scared of fighting better players here. I think you have a good chance!

[scarlet delta]

Elite thank u 🫡☝️🥰

Def feel like I’m “playing KOF” more now lately, if u get me

[lofty radish]

Perhaps focus on playing the main team more instead of switching around? It’s easier to improve if you focus on fewer characters and level them up

[lofty radish]

I agree! You seemed lost before but I think something clicked within you

[scarlet delta]

Might keep it on Leona, Vanessa, Kyo, Iori for a min

Really enjoying where Vanessa is at past few times I’ve played

[lofty radish]

The next step is learning specifics for your characters. Stuff like light confirm combos, safe jumps, etc.

[scarlet delta]

K’ I’m totally lost LOL

[lofty radish]

Your Vanessa was hype! I cheered when you hit that combo on me. I’ve never hit that in a match with her

[scarlet delta]

I love that combo

You get a safejump after that too if u Puncher vision back and forth

[lofty radish]

You definitely know your stuff!

[vast vine]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-so-proud-lou-as-we-see-it-you-make-me-so-proud-i-couldnt-be-more-proud-gif-24593519

[smoky parcel]

It like one mistake can cost you the whole match with dash San

[scarlet delta]

Dude yes

Daru the thing that really gets me with him, is like yeah sure you have his side switch BNB w/ Ex Minute spike… but sometimes based on screen positioning you don’t get the side switch… you just get teleported right in front of them… and then you could just DP but like r u on the ball enough for that ??? Just kinda makes me feel like my bnb is not a bnb u know what I’m saying

I’ve seen you hit all these like no problem usually but u just on another level

[scarlet delta]

Ill be the Vanessa to take all jacks advice

I still need to work in weave tho

She’s very fun to play

[vast vine]

Takes time to get muscle memory down

[scarlet delta]

It’s more just like in what situations I use it

Should I just mix between weave and vision? For pressure and mixup

I kind of use vision just as a movement option only rn

Like I’ll pressure string vision

Reset to neutral

[vast vine]

Yeah 100% that's doable and prevents you being predictable

What did you make of her new target combo?

[scarlet delta]

Literally bro…. Haven’t even looked at it haha

I saw u say you thought it was useless and I was like putting this one on the mental back burner

[smoky parcel]

I am not full sure what you mean? There are times when the teleport can get kind weird and it will make him turn the opposite direction

[tall geode]

That stream I posted a while back dude had her dialed in

[tall geode]

Same thing happens with the big 1.5 meter Yuri combo. Normally she side switches but too close to the corner and she won’t and if I’m not all over it will miss the last 170 damage

[smoky parcel]

I need a visual demonstration that’s some weird kof shit

[tall geode]

You want me to show you?

[smoky parcel]

Yeah send me a clip on PS5

[tall geode]

Haha oh boy now watch it work flawlessly

[smoky parcel]

Exactly.

[tall geode]

You trying to torture me here lol

[smoky parcel]

U got it

[tall geode]

Ah man boots up

Speaking of weird side switches there was some odd stuff happening with Shingo last night, like Shingo kick can cause me to face the wrong way if I’m right under him

[smoky parcel]

New character glitches… may get patched, maybe not

[tall geode]

It’s part of his wacky charm

[smoky parcel]

I was enjoying him more than I thought I would

[tall geode]

Yuri turned around at one point like, “Can I help you sir?”

He does look fun tho

[smoky parcel]

Yeah I was trying to play him like Kyo, but I don’t feel like I have to work as hard at all

[tall geode]

Got it first try if you can believe that

Normally she side switches so there’s more time for the cl.D but as you can see in the video if she doesn’t there’s less time to react

[smoky parcel]

That’s weird asf

[tall geode]

Yeah it’s pretty far from the corner too eh

[scarlet delta]

Yeah that’s what I mean

It be acting weird on me like always

[smoky parcel]

I don't really use this in corner regardless but it's not impossible, maybe DP ender instead

[tall geode]

Well in the corner you’d want to use the .5 meter combo. I think here the move is either DP (to keep them in the corner) or izuna drop for damage but no corner

This is like 4 full squares away from the corner

[smoky parcel]

May be the timing of your followup attack. I am better visually

[smoky parcel]

@dull bone 1st things first, the DPs. Have to be considerate of your own lifebar. You wake up DP every time almost which then results in a punish ofc. It’s best to start training yourself to block now cause wake-up DP is costing you way more health than block is lol. Also, for Terry, power dunk is super unsafe. Heavy one has armor on startup but this is for like the moments you just have upmost confidence you are making the right read. His rising tackle light dp just got buffed this should help to stop jumps along with his jump b. Will take proper timing to get used to this. It’s important to know what buttons work best for specific scenarios. My main sentiment I would like to get you to work with is defending, while you are getting hit just relax and watch what the opponent is doing. You will continue to scramble and get hit if you are moving without intent. Once you gather yourself, you can then focus on counterattacking.

[dull bone]

Yeah wall pressure has always been my main issue

I always rely on invincible wakeup dp as a "get off me" button, but I use it way too much

[smoky parcel]

When you are cornered? It depends what’s happening, there are moments where the opponent will jump forward in the corner, you can roll out. But obviously if they are anticipating your roll, they may opt for another option. This is why you must be patient and observe for the right moment to roll out or whatever you need to do

[dull bone]

But when I try to crouch block, I get hit with a hop combo starter or smth, and if I try to trade by using my low lights, their attacks come out faster and I get wall combo'd again.

Sometimes I roll, but if I mess up the timing, it does a guard cancel and robs me of a whole bar of meter

[smoky parcel]

I hear that. Will take some time getting used to, but hops are super fast. Realistically though, you can interrupt them with something as simply as a 5A jab

Then gather yourself, you don’t have to rush in and attack immediately.

[dull bone]

I try that sometimes, but more often than not, the opponent is crouching and mashing 2b and if I block, then it's totally safe and they get to move before I can jump or roll out of the corner

[smoky parcel]

Hop the 2b, blow them up

[torpid grotto]

@livid knot you’re the most resilient player bro

That win tonight was yours

[smoky parcel]

@dull bone I know it sounds easier said than done, but it's kinda like that. I'm not telling you to not wakeup DP at all, but there are specific times where you must be aware of the op habits. Are they punishing x move a lot? Maybe I need to slow down on using this for a bit.

[dull bone]

I definitely think it's something that comes with more time and character knowledge

Even with 86 hours in kof15, I still have a lot to learn about when to stop blocking certain attacks and how to stop mashing at corner

I just need to keep playing

Took me 500 hours in smash before I learned good neutral and how to escape ledge pressure

[smoky parcel]

It may take you less on KOF though, who knows

[dull bone]

So there's no shortcuts aside from just practice I suppose

[smoky parcel]

Try to familiarize yourself with your team's normals so you aren't over reliant on specials in neutral

Then you can slowly build blockstrings and create pressure down the line

I see you like to far D with Terry cause that shit goes far as hell

[dull bone]

I think I might just add rock full time, I tried with bm but the playstyle is just so weird cuz she's not a shoto and it felt like I wasn't getting nowhere

That, and I like garou and rock is cold af

[smoky parcel]

I can relate entirely. I like Rock

[dull bone]

I do, I try to use light kick more, but the range of 6D...
Its like a drug man, I love the range

But its awful on block

[smoky parcel]

Yeah I hear that. At your own pace though friend, we can revisit this whenever you'd like

[dull bone]

Will do chief🫡

[fickle plaza]

@dim shadow let’s go do this one for nick mercs

[dim shadow]

Lmao, you played well when you start getting aggressive

I lost every air to air and neutral there was

Not much to discuss it was 10-0

[fickle plaza]

What do I do about my inputs?

[dim shadow]

Dude LMAO you did good

I can't give a critique if I got my ass whooped and didn't do well, you cleaned up your inputs and got better 🤣🤣 that's ignorant lmao

[fickle plaza]

Omg pulling a bubbles

[torpid grotto]

Ong

[dim shadow]

@abstract swift My Angel is terrible we been knew 😉 how was my Nako

[abstract swift]

I was about to say lmaooo you called me out for the same setups but I was like ???? Sis I snuffed EVERY angel string/set up you tried 😭😭😭

That Nako though

Whatever they did to buff her, she's like Chris now. She's fast af.

A very good buff though I think, definitely a force to be reckoned with now @dim shadow I can see her be a staple of your team

[dim shadow]

They did nothing to her bro 🤣 I was waiting for a buff to play her but decided I'ma just main her again because they ain't gonna do anything. No one is showing her true potential so why not force that out and make her good.

They made her sky drop have less recovery but that's it and fixed a few hitbox issues

[dim shadow]

Yeah, idk what I'm doing with Angel at this point I think I'm getting tired of her? Kinda why I don't use Panda and Kuma that much in Tekken. Mained Angel for quite a bit I just get bored

Feels bad to say lmao, even when I OCV people and win with her I kinda don't feel anything when I play her. Maybe putting her on the fence for a few weeks will help me regain love..(ADHD having ass)

[abstract swift]

I think that speed buff was enough. Idk, pre patch I could react to everything any Nako did to good success, now it feels like she's JUST fast enough that I have to be more preemptive about it

[dim shadow]

Yeah her falling from the bird was the buff

Most of it is safe you'll get it over time but it's all really just conditioning, because I can kumot normal and make you whiff

[torpid grotto]

@rich fractal wake up

@lofty radish you have any advice for angel in the Athena matchup

I know you don’t play angel but you have experience in that specific match up

[scarlet delta]

I’m not Oliver but I think you just have to be solid on your anti fireball/ fireball avoidance

Possibly bait a Psycho Sword

[dim shadow]

^^^^

Literally just avoid and do your best to avoid her zoning and stay close

[scarlet delta]

Cherry love me now

[dim shadow]

No

[scarlet delta]

Hehehe

[dim shadow]

I don't love you

[scarlet delta]

Cherry said:

[lofty radish]

Play against daru’s Athena

[torpid grotto]

Daru is a hard man to pin down

He plays random and he doesn’t like longer sets

Daru is a go with the flow guy

[dim shadow]

He plays long sets

[smoky parcel]

When you're on I'm usually not and vice versa. If you want to play with just us idc. I usually ask people sometimes, who do you want me to pick I don't mind either way.

[dim shadow]

These hoes ain't loyal

[worn arch]

Never

[torpid grotto]

You’re the best

[torpid grotto]

Nah he plays long and short sets

But smoke is always down for longer sets

Daru is whatever lands

Which I like

[smoky parcel]

Well it's just like, if there is more than 1 person I don't mind playing in a group

[torpid grotto]

But like if there’s 4 people he prefers short sets instead of separate longer sets he’s also always down for party matches and casuals

[torpid grotto]

That’s what I mean, mains, randoms, long sets, short sets, party matches you’re usually down for whatever

Where someone like smoke prefers ft10s ya know?

[smoky parcel]

I play Smoke and Bubbles the most, but we literally have the room ft3 but play hella long. So we really doing much more than that

[torpid grotto]

Yeah y’all 3 ducking me

Why aren’t I invited fr fr

[smoky parcel]

Good question

[torpid grotto]

Just say y’all hate me

[smoky parcel]

Ok

[torpid grotto]

Smoke is mad at me

Bubs is mad at me

And you’re neutral so I get it

It’s ok

[torpid grotto]

@rich fractal fr fr not awake

[tall geode]

Yeah thanks for the fact check lol

Oh and Howl, hop Athena fireballs to punish the DP or 2C

[torpid grotto]

You’re the best

Is @rich fractal awake yet

[rich fractal]

hello

[torpid grotto]

Gm

You have any advice for me from yesterday

[rich fractal]

not really

you did well

[torpid grotto]

Aw man nothing for me to improve on?

[rich fractal]

cant really think of anything atm, all i remember is that you did a good job at stuffing my buttons and indirectly getting my bad habits

so keep it up

[tall geode]

@fickle plaza how’s the connection on your end?

[fickle plaza]

Is okay 🫡

Wrong place btw😂😂😂😂

[tall geode]

Oh shit lol

[torpid grotto]

Thank you! Who was my weakest character?

[rich fractal]

idk they were all pretty good

some moments though i could punish your luong a lot so be a lil careful with those strings

[torpid grotto]

Yeah thanks a lot

Her flip kick isn’t safe

[rich fractal]

yeah i figured a few times and np

[dim shadow]

@smoky parcel oi oi my little bee, what do I need to work on via our matches this morning. I already know I just like talking 🤣

[smoky parcel]

I think you should relax more on defense. You have super offensive pressure but when we scrapped you lost a lot of health to simply not blocking. You're already the KOF veteran. I feel like I just go with the flow. Even though I try not to be predictable, I'll test someone for their reaction.

[tall geode]

@smoky parcel I’d love to be able to try out all this run up low and mix I’ve been practicing but it’s tough to do against someone who counter pokes as well as you do. I think the only time I saw you block was on a full jump or grounded heavy everything else got a button. Not asking you to change but what would you do in that situation?

[smoky parcel]

Hmm.. I want to be able to answer this. Can you be a bit more specific? Because I know that I can mash a lot if I'm allowed to. For Yuri or for all characters?

[tall geode]

All my characters. I wanted to do a run up low or hop in and got checked like almost every time. Again, it works for you so by all means more power to ya. Just curious because I’d imagine you’ve run into (and beaten) it before

[smoky parcel]

I feel like it depends on the timing of the approach. I'm sure you noticed I would stop and then go for an attack or something. It's still a gamble either way but it's very intuitive for me. I just run up, go for the low, see what they have going on, if I can stop the hop or jump then cool. Still trying to figure out cool Vanessa pressure though. Ngl, I feel as though I play recklessly as I am not the most careful player. With Yuri she has the speed advantage, so you can really close the gap easily as much as you are allowed to hop and jump about. Even when it comes to run ins, still feels like she can easily slide in, get some jabs, maybe ease your way into some 2bs.

I still feel like I have not answered this properly.

[tall geode]

Nah this is helpful. It’s interesting you mentioned Yuri because one of the things I’ve specifically been trying to learn is the max range for her 2B starter to where the combo doesn’t drop

I just think you have stellar reaction times and are able to stuff the approach

Thinking about it now it seems like the answer is to whiff punish but that’s way easier said than done

[smoky parcel]

Really capitalizing on pushbacks and knockdowns is the key as well.

I'm sure you notice a pattern in the way a lot of "champions" play style

They press a lot of buttons

Because obviously as long as they are continuously attacking, it may seem like, well damn what do I do to get out of this

Guess then you just have to balance that with proper defending

Rambling.

[tall geode]

Not at all! Really appreciate the time and thoughts here. Yes I’ve noticed the typical champion playstyle, and not to be a douche but I’m starting to beat some of those guys. That rage quit I posted was my 10th win, he won once in last last set. That’s thanks to playing you Trip Mac Eljay Howl Cherry Tricky Oli Khrism raitguy Cien OMF and a bunch of others (sorry I didn’t list everyone guys, you know who you are if we’ve ever played)j

But most people don’t react like you or Nebular do lol it’s kinda nuts

I can expect a little more blocking and go from there

[fickle plaza]

I’m in second place 😤

[tall geode]

This is what I see you do too, where the game turns into a rerun of a movie I’ve seen hundreds of times now which is I make a single mistake or you gain advantage and then hit the gas

[smoky parcel]

This is where the "no fucks given" kicks in and I just try some shit and see what happens

[dim shadow]

Yeah, I'm trying something new man! I've been super defensive and space oriented my entire gaming life. I've been testing out micro aggression and pressing more for the past 6 months. Even with @abstract swift and I played I was doing great until I tried to be more offensive. I might just return to playing super slow @smoky parcel thanks for the heads up sweetie 🥰 I just know how people hate how I drag games to the final bell

[smoky parcel]

You want to play super slow? It’s not more fun to run down on them and watch them scramble to get away?

[dim shadow]

No no that's my usual play style I've been playing for years now. I've always been a slow and turtle

I'm trying to adopt being aggressive and fast, not for me unfortunately @smoky parcel

[smoky parcel]

I understand. The KOD combos are kinda ridiculous. He deserves this though

[dim shadow]

Oh yeah, definitely. But noted I'ma just go back to my old play style I can't play with the Young fast boy's lmao

[smoky parcel]

I can’t wait to see that. Hopefully this will work out for you

[dim shadow]

It normally does. It just sucks that I can't play as aggressive as I want too xD I always pick the wrong spots to press

Back to being boring no one likes how slow I play 👹

[smoky parcel]

Hmm.. I feel like you could do both

[abstract swift]

@dim shadow I like to use 5a/d more. I've been finding a lot of success when it comes to stopping short hops/quick reset of neutral. I think during our set, before you got too aggressive, you were stopping most attempts for me to try n start momentum. That was really fun n it suited your style nicely

@tall geode was doing it too last night n that was really interesting cuz it was like, a taste of my own medicine 😭 had to re-up real quick.

I find that a lot of us who try to start an offense in the server, it's 2/3 pops before either a run in/short hop. So it's pretty effective but I remember Tricky telling me a while back, sometimes it's just not worth it cuz you're effectively getting nothing out of it. N I was getting torched by Smoke n had to dial it down a bit to get more than just the stray hit

[torpid grotto]

@abstract swift @tall geode @smoky parcel y’all have any advice lmk

Plz

[abstract swift]

no

[smoky parcel]

bro literally wins and asks for advice

[abstract swift]

Angel looks better, Mai is like a lil better n Luong is whatever. You should use her more cuz your Luong was pretty nasty back then @torpid grotto

[torpid grotto]

Thank you I was dropping a lot because I’m fighting muscle memory rn, my 2 routes split into 6 and it feels like I have personality disorder, and I’m trying to get the hang of luong again

[dim shadow]

Let me be aggressive Mac 🤣

[abstract swift]

Sall good. Sometimes I auto pilot with Terry in terms of effective meter usage. 1.5 nets me another 100-125~ damage instead of the usual string + geyser ender. It's why I put him mid hahah. N Terry gets a lot of mileage if I get a good special counter hit ie Burn Knuckle cuz that does STUPID damage

[torpid grotto]

I like mid Terrance he gets all the meter

And rock is self reliant enough that if terry eats all the food it’s whatever to him

Plus if terry ate the meter that means someone has died so even better position

[abstract swift]

I think so too. With install now being 2.5* bars, it's easy to turn it up n seal the deal real quick with Rocky

[torpid grotto]

I thought I was slick after learning 214bd cross up with luong

I thought I would catch you guys with j.c and j.214b

But you guys are always defending the cross up even when angel isn’t out lol

[abstract swift]

You play cross up heavy characters 😭

[torpid grotto]

I just want some free bonks and you mfs have your hard hats on

Except smoke he figured if I’m on the top floor no way shit falls on me

[tall geode]

Was just gonna say, and I actually pointed this out a week or so ago. @torpid grotto likes women that are easy || to cross up with || so it sorta loses some of its surprise factor when it’s done all the time. Same when he played BM, he’d jump and I’d already know which way I had to block

[torpid grotto]

I’m learning to be more grounded I pinky promise

But next ft10 I already have my ari playlist set up so no way you’re wining

[tall geode]

Lol I put every single one of Yuri’s themes on my set list. It powers her up. Oh and I’m not saying “don’t jump” I’m saying if you go for cross up every time I know which way to block that’s it that’s all

[torpid grotto]

Thank u, next
One more problem
Break free
7 Rings

Just to start

You’re goose is cooked smoke

[torpid grotto]

No I 100 percent jump too much lol

I should not be jumping as much as I do regardless if j.c is a unblockable magnet lol

[tall geode]

:holuplethimcook:

[tall geode]

Jumping isn’t the devil in KOF, in SF yeah because your character is the Goodyear blimp and there’s only one arc. So prob don’t want to course correct too much there. Just make the timing more unpredictable and attack from the front as well. If you go for crossup a majority or all the time it’s not tricky anymore. Make me pay for assuming that

[torpid grotto]

No jumping is necessary 10000 percent

However I am also jumping 9/10 interactions

Kof ratio is like 6/10 7/10 interactions not 100 percent where sf is like 2/10 3/10 lol

Where am I getting these numbers?

[tall geode]

Hisazz

[torpid grotto]

Source: I made them up

Nah lol but resorting to jumping 10/10 interactions is a bad habit regardless if it’s mai yuri juri or blanka

[tall geode]

I watched some high level Yuri last night on Nerd Josh’s stream. Shit was insane. Do you know when she was grounded, and when she wasn’t?

The answer may surprise you

[torpid grotto]

9/10 grounded

Mind linking it though

[tall geode]

Basically unless she had her opponent cornered she was starting with some type of aerial attack. Go into the lab with her and compare her 2B with Luongs

[torpid grotto]

I am always down to be wrong

[tall geode]

She can’t run up on people, her moves are too stubby

[torpid grotto]

That’s unfair luong 2b is the best 2b in the game lol

Let watch some yuri gameplay rn

I’m bout to crunch up the numbers

🤓

[tall geode]

What these guys were doing (that I can’t/don’t) is mixing up where they landed and what mix they went for (high/low/demon flip) after the jump in

[torpid grotto]

Whose the beta yuri

Gun to your head rn

Answer can’t be me

[tall geode]

The best right lol

[torpid grotto]

No but who should I watch in your opinion. For an insane yuri

[smoky parcel]

Me

jk

[torpid grotto]

I believe it

[smoky parcel]

Don't really pick her like I used to

Or Geese lol

They got thrown to the side

For Max

[torpid grotto]

Max is king

@tall geode really not gonna suggest yuri players Sadge

[tall geode]

Yurikov and AndyOCR are nice with it

[torpid grotto]

If I see them attempt a single 2b your goose is cooked

[tall geode]

They do! Off a jump in lol

[lofty radish]

Gonna be lots of people picking up yuri I think as she got buffed

[torpid grotto]

I just refused to believe jumping in 100 percent of the time literally 100 percent of the time is optimal

I could be wrong

But that’s ok

[tall geode]

Godspeed to them all @lofty radish , her buffs were easier links (that are still pretty tough) because her damage is so good it’s dumb to do supers with her

[torpid grotto]

But maybe not jump as much isn’t the right advice instead change your angles

I’ll watch some footage and get back to you

If I’m wrong I’m wrong lol

[tall geode]

You know when run up 2B works tho? There’s 2 things that have to happen; 1. Your opponent has to be conditioned to block high. 2 your opponent actually blocks and doesn’t try and mash out of pressure. Mashers get jumped on I don’t make the rules

[torpid grotto]

Yeah that’s why changed my team out for team tp

I’ll still lose

But imma be a fly swatter

[tall geode]

So yes you’ll see those dudes get a run up in here or there but staying grounded 100% of the time is just as bad as doing anything 100% of the time. @smoky parcel said it best up thread a bit, “I try not to be predictable”

[torpid grotto]

No I agree

And I don’t think yuri should be ground 80 percent of the time lol

Maybe that’s the issue

Maybe you’re predictable with jump ins

[tall geode]

Anti air me

[torpid grotto]

But trust as much as you’re predictable I am constantly gonna get hit

Because regardless of what I know

I suck

Lol

[torpid grotto]

I would if it weren’t for a massive skill issue lol

[tall geode]

Oh you, it’s part of fighting games. I know Eljay is busy as hell but he shared a story with me about his SFV days when he was on stream with James Chen calling the match. I’ll let him tell it tho

[torpid grotto]

Also on a side note I want to see you do the shun air dash instant overhead more

Can’t really say you haven’t though because I don’t even reach shun anymore

[tall geode]

Now I’m gonna rewatch those matches and see if all I did was jump bc I’m pretty sure I did all 4 types of jumps but maybe not

I’ll mix it up more

[torpid grotto]

Do cool shun stuff

Disintegration has a better shun than you, I fully expect you to change that by the end of the week

Thank you

[tall geode]

Shun’ei has new sauce but I’m still working on his fundies. I also haven’t labbed him at all in like 2 weeks because of playing catch-up with Yuri

[torpid grotto]

That’s valid

Lol I love our sets

It’s always frustrating on one end of the other lol

You wash me or I win no in between

We’re on a seesaw

[tall geode]

Yeah it’s pretty cool the back and forth

Iron sharpens iron

[torpid grotto]

I’m hoping for an ft10 today

I wanted to run it yesterday but I haven’t played with Daru twerp Mac in ages

[tall geode]

Yeah those guys are great, it’s fun to do those rooms every so often and watch the play styles clash

Would love a FT10 if you can swing it; just try and give me 40 or so minutes heads up if possible

[torpid grotto]

You got it

[torpid grotto]

@tall geode to get back to you

I’m wrong

Yuri players tend to jump 93 percent of the time, while they do mix in run ins more than you it’s not as a dramatic adjustment as I implied

I still believe its something you should work on but not make a crucial part of gameplan

This also helps me plot

[vast vine]

I don't recall who's Yuri it was but it was someone from here, they kept jumping like trying to cross up but I anti aired all the attempts and they just kept going until she died lol, like cross up to the right, get anti aired then proceed to cross up to the left and get anti aired, rinse and repeat

[torpid grotto]

Lol that was either smoke or twerp but sounds like twerp

[vast vine]

I don't recall who it was honestly, otherwise I would be shit talking lol

[torpid grotto]

Just shit talk both

[vast vine]

I will 😤

[torpid grotto]

||tell smoke you like Selena Gomez over Ariana Grande||

[vast vine]

Who wouldn't? She's thicker

[torpid grotto]

I meant musically ya perv

[vast vine]

Oh, idk

[torpid grotto]

You have a muscle memory elixir

I can’t go from 2b cl.b 46b 2a 6b 236c
To now 2b cl.b 46d 6a 66a 46d 2d 66d

I can do it in my sleep in the lab

Not in match

Sadge

[vast vine]

In what step of the combo you usually drop in a match?

[torpid grotto]

I don’t I just revert to the old one

[vast vine]

Oh ok

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-among-us-skill-issue-killer-bean-gif-24855216

[torpid grotto]

The issue is that the original combo is

2b (2b 2a or cl.b) either works into 46b 2a

As long as you didn’t do 2a 46d also connects into 2a

However only cl.b connects into 46d and only 46d connects to 6a after

There’s like 3 different variations to keep track off

Or I can monke the normal bnb

The reason I’m tempted to do the later is because it’s

more corner carry
hard knockdown
5 percent more damage
can be super canceled
leaves angel directly close to the opponent

That same combo is now 2b cl.b 214a 6b 66a 46d 2d 8a 214a 8a 66d but that’s a different skill issue

[vast vine]

☝️

[torpid grotto]

It’s ok I’m a UwU player now so I’m based

[vast vine]

What's an UwU player?

A cringy player?

[torpid grotto]

ChizUWU

@lofty radish

Why you agree

[vast vine]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-23031058

[lofty radish]

I agree it’s very cringey

Worse than Lulu

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/how-come-dont-want-me-man-fresh-prince-gif-14767509

Do you hate gray as well or just me

[lofty radish]

Just you. Grey is good

[vast vine]

We don't hate any of you, y'all just cringe

[lofty radish]

I dare you to call them that during frosty lol

In front of coach Steve and Pako

[torpid grotto]

That’s fair gray is a sweetheart

Hey pako any tips for lulu

I’m sure they’d just ignore it lol

[scarlet delta]

Few know this… but…. I do too 😳

It be kind of OD when I hit my Iori QM off a cross up taco tbh

[abstract swift]

Iori is something different I feel because there are different ways to play him, from what I've seen. There are hop/cross up heavy Ioris for sure

[scarlet delta]

Nah bro u wrong im right

Just the way cookie crumbles

[abstract swift]

@carmine axle you got the bnb combos down, that's for sure. Your neutral n defense need to sharpen up though, use those buttons! I like the Shermie n Nessa.

Cash out on the meter as well, dump those 1.5/3 bar killers with Shermie

[carmine axle]

Yeah I need to work on neutral a lot more but I feel like more I play better I get and I’m just nervous to actually go for my shermie combos cause I know them but just wanna try and focus on other stuff

[abstract swift]

For sure! Good strides though

[carmine axle]

I should prolly do some reading on dream cancel but I never remember stuff from looking at websites and don’t really enjoy looking at that stuff

[abstract swift]

Nah don't worry about negatives or anything atm

Just work on your neutral first

[carmine axle]

I just struggle a lot landing the hits and don’t really know what kinda pressure I should be doing

[abstract swift]

Nessa is hard cuz she's got mid neutral at best but once you get going, you wanna keep the pressure on. Iori is a jack of all trades but he's got a really good high/low/taco. Shermie also has a bit of a tougher neutral but she still has good buttons in jCD and 2c to control. And she's got a really good cross up too

Get your buttons in order n definitely look to block and control the space before you look for a way to start your own offense. I think the first order is neutral/getting comfy with your characters. Mind you, you also play a team with high execution so don't beat yourself too much. Once you get them though, I can see the team being nice af

[carmine axle]

Yeah that’s what I been trying to do blocking and taking turn back has always been a struggle for me

[abstract swift]

All good! I noticed you used a GCroll earlier which is very good. Good timing on a long recovery move (typically heavies or committal specials) can net you a nice punish. To reset, and is the safest GC option, is to GC blowback for a reset

[carmine axle]

on accident most likely but when exactly do gcs come out?

[abstract swift]

The moment the block connects!

Doesn't have to be frame 1 tight, but it is slightly lenient

[abstract swift]

Small things, try not to roll so much (it was working on me, just moving forward on anyone way sharper than I am) cuz they'll bait you out on that joint. I suck at stopping rolls but try not to make it a bad habit cuz I'm the only kuk it works on kekeke.

And cash out on the meter! Iori had like a juicy 5 bar n did safe bnb HKDs. Which is fine but, spend some juice. @scarlet delta

Other than that, well done man. Really.

[scarlet delta]

Yeah I needed to find the confirm more w/ Iori

Yeah I need to roll less

and also stop my dash earlier I feel most of the time

[abstract swift]

Micro dashing isn't easy but it's not hard either. Definitely gets the jump on people for those throws or cheeky close, low hitting lights

You mentioned Kyo & Iori have one so that's definitely something to look into

[scarlet delta]

Yeah Kyo has a good one into a cheeky OS

I should’ve used it in match but I spaced

Ima prolly move Iori up next few games tbh

He not getting enough play time lately

[abstract swift]

Good use of his buttons though, little different than what I'm used to against Daru's Kyo

Cuz he armors through my shit somehow hahaha

[knotty oriole]

Approach armoring Kyos with lows 😉

[tall geode]

@scarlet delta Yo good matches overall. I think some of it came down to being unfamiliar with the Yuri MU. You definitely looked more comfortable against Liz and Shun for sure

Off the top of my head I noticed a lot of CD attacks, which are fine but keep in mind the damage has been nerfed (nearly 20% less by my math) for any combos. Not saying don’t do it just keep that in mind. Also j.CD is a mid so can be blocked low

Didn’t see much teching off my soft knockdowns like sweeps. This gives the opponent more opportunity to run up and continue pressure

I thought you’d improved 10 fold from the last time we played. Much more disciplined on defense, I kept trying to bait a DP and you wouldn’t bite. Good shit

Really nice execution on combos, you made me pay with a character when I dropped mine. Keep it up, looking forward to playing again soon 🤘

[scarlet delta]

Yeah dude I honestly couldn’t tell ya why I kept doing Braindead j.cd to stand cd pressure

[tall geode]

It’s a good button! Keep using it just be aware of the scaling

But yeah tech those soft knockdowns for sure

[scarlet delta]

it’s fine every once in a while but I feel like I need to vary up my strats more

Oh also … u can sweep on soft knockdown ??? 😂

I didn’t even know that

or do u mean I’m just not teching

[tall geode]

I didn’t see much teching on your end when I got a soft knockdown

[scarlet delta]

Oh yeah I always forget to tech

I uhhh Lowkey forgot it was an option until … right now 😂

But yeah I’ll have to keep it in mind for sure

@carmine axle uhhh yeah idk dude can’t really give u that many pointers because u ended up winning haha only thing I’d say is be a little less liberal with the wake-up reversal usage, I have trash approach in this game so it worked on my , but it’ll 100% get baited

You definitely 100% were Vanessa gaming

Only nitpick I’d say is work on the range when ur trying to apply weave mixup

I feel like when you’d try and do weave I’d randomly be mad far away

Kinda just have to be closer unless you’re immediately gonna go high or low on a mix but I feel like I was just catching you more

That’s it tho…

[carmine axle]

Yeah reversal stuff I’m pretty good about but it kept working so I kept doing it lol, definitely do gotta work on weave stuff just trying to incorporate it more

[scarlet delta]

You pretty much got the rest you adapted mad fast

I can show you an easy Iori QM if you wanna really start cashing in on some damage

It’ll work from your normal standing combo confirm

[carmine axle]

Sure I need some Iori sauce lol

[scarlet delta]

Ima link it in Game Play vids

[carmine axle]

Usually I’m not quick to adapt idk what was going on today, you did whoop me a few matches lol

[scarlet delta]

yeah sure but you whooped me too!

I’m not quick either usually so idk what I was on either LOL

[carmine axle]

I’m surprised we went even idk when last time we fought was

[scarlet delta]

bro 😳 I think we might be OD a little bit 😳

[carmine axle]

we good at the game 😳

I’m not great at advice and certainly don’t feel qualified lol but I’d say to work on approaching you did a lot of jumping or hopping in if I remember correctly and you got dp’d a lot maybe try to mix things up I’m not best at remembering matches you probably did but I managed to get free damage pretty often

[scarlet delta]

100% I agree

This something I’ve always struggled with

[carmine axle]

Yeah usually I pick and choose when to dp I use it only when Im positive I can hit it and we’ll the opportunity kept presenting itself so I took advantage of it

As Iori once said I’m not gonna sugarcoat it

[scarlet delta]

On god bro

[carmine axle]

Hope we get a classic Iori costume cause I do like his design but classic Iori also slaps

[scarlet delta]

bro simple… log on 02UM

He’s top tier as fuck!!!

[carmine axle]

:0 oh yeah I bought that

[dim shadow]

@jolly badge let's come here.

Get it..... Come

This is where we talk about matches that we played

[jolly badge]

Oh

I didn't know there was a server for that

Chat*

[dim shadow]

Yeah, you gotta just look around xD

[fickle plaza]

@dim shadow validate me

[dim shadow]

You did good

Strong pressure

[fickle plaza]

Ok now give me advice

[dim shadow]

You should be give me advice your Gato and Luong ended me I didn't win a single set

Greedy ass 💀

Asking for advice to the person you beat @fickle plaza lost ya damn mind 🤣🤣

[fickle plaza]

You needa lock it in. I think you should play more agressive

Suffocate ppl

[wanton sierra]

Shermie thighs

Need them suffocating me

Frfr

[fickle plaza]

Like last time when we played before I left you sped up the tempo

And you’re the most knowledgeable person here so you’d be pretty oppressive with it

https://tenor.com/view/nickmercs-snap-mfam-fa-ze-clan-gif-19563920

[dim shadow]

I can't take Mercs seriously 🤣

[scarlet delta]

nah when tripp sent the mercs gif last night… I listened

I locked it tf in rq

[wanton sierra]

@dim shadow talk to me

How'd I do?

[dim shadow]

Your King is your best by far without a doubt imo, not sure if you put more time into her or what. She's always been your strongest and Beni always been your weakest when to comes to neutral and being repetitive. Other than that you played well. Called out my jumps, my failed cross ups got grabbed, you did well overall.

It's just the usual work on Beni combos

I saw you doing Shermie combos which is good

Now it's just Beni that needs that uptake

[wanton sierra]

Hm

Ok

I mean out of the three King is also the most simple

Good for my smol brain

[torpid grotto]

@fickle plaza how much do you lab

[fickle plaza]

A good amount except there’s still some dumb habits and drops that are in the moment things

[torpid grotto]

got it

you pick up combos quicker than most peeps here

[fickle plaza]

I minimized the BM drops finally so that’s good and for the qm ones that have to do with the charge I either didn’t hit down correctly or super canceled fast enough

[torpid grotto]

yeah no youve gotten really good

[fickle plaza]

My only problems are counter play oki and block strings and mix cuz I start losing gas towards the end tbh

Of matches and the more I play

[torpid grotto]

Yeah I’ve just been dropping my combos and it’s making me play more desperate

[fickle plaza]

Yeah your mai has changed a lot

Angels combos are hard soo

That’s how I was

That shit sucked but I don’t drop the important parts with BM which is the slide cuz it gives me time to recoup

Like if you’re gunna have luong as an anchor you neeed to short hop

[torpid grotto]

Boy I was full jumping in the corner lol

[fickle plaza]

Yeah I was like “bro wtf are you doing?” And I would try to run under and punish your recovery but you were to high up and I thought you’d land but you didn’t💀

[torpid grotto]

I was atmospheric

[fickle plaza]

Fucking Space HowL

[wanton sierra]

@abstract swift talk to me

How'd I do?

[abstract swift]

Good, idk what you were doing with Beni the second/final set but I took it as "I'm tired I wanna sleep" kinda play

[wanton sierra]

Prolly

Idk either

[livid knot]

@smoky parcel you freed me up to much. Point out my flaws aside from not confirming with Krohnen

[fickle plaza]

Lock it in

That simple

[livid knot]

No u

@smoky parcel i see you

Get out of the bushes

[smoky parcel]

Yeah

[fickle plaza]

OBSESSED

[livid knot]

This isnt even your conversation!

🪞

[abstract swift]

right

[smoky parcel]

I was trying to figure out how we can answer this.

Because towards the end it seemed like you were collecting yourself.

Maybe I was just slacking

[livid knot]

I was doing worse at the end, no?

[smoky parcel]

No.

[livid knot]

I can happily say my leona execution has been very good.

At least

[smoky parcel]

Yeah you got that

But what seems to be the issue

[torpid grotto]

Bro dudes so clingy

[abstract swift]

@tall geode we'll take it here instead of MM

jCD is weird. Tbh I just tried to jCD earlier in my hop/jump to see if it would beat yours and it did. Cuz earlier I was getting smacked by it @tall geode

N I could try for the 2c but you're pretty on top of starting an offense. Little fixes here n there for the pacing worked on my end. I was getting frustrated early on cuz I'm like, bruh this man is stopping everything I'm trying to do right now

[tall geode]

@abstract swift yeah j.CD is weird for sure, I was also trying to alter my timing to get the button out earlier to no avail lol. Thinking back I think you’re right about the spacing game and pushing me into the corner. That really changed things. Also having to realize that I play smaller characters with short normals so that situation (and neutral in general) becomes tougher. Not sure about the answer but hopefully another couple thousand L’s will shine at least some light on it

Not taking anything away from you and your play because you did make adjustments it was hard to see them in the moment, especially after clipping Terry or Rock 2A for 650. Also would he lying if I said I wasn’t feeling myself every time I hit that Yuri corner combo 😹

I think you and I both like the big damage gameplan so the matches can get out of hand sorta quick depending on who gets in first

[abstract swift]

Bingo LOL can't forget to play the short game 😭

Yuri is haaaaard to fight against, especially at point. She's fast af n she's got hella damage early on with just half a bar in izuna drop. Those conversions hurt.

[smoky parcel]

I agree

[tall geode]

Great news fellas. I’m not only running her at point to learn her, that’s her spot 🤘

[tall geode]

See I wasn’t gonna say it, but this is spot on. Unfortunately I think in order to turn this weakness into a strength I’m gonna have to go on an even bigger losing streak, and just when I was starting to get some dubs

[abstract swift]

It's how she rolls hahah. Light confirms are important. Short combos to set up things too like good meaties or plus stuff. Also feels especially good to hit a light confirm in KOF

We don't play reset machines either so I think we make up for conditioning mix with lights

[tall geode]

Yeah exactly, once the low lights have been established it opens up the possibility to swing for the fences. But if I’m always going for the home run well…that’s not exactly mix is it?

I practice this shit too and then it’s a crapshoot if I try it in a match or not. Especially if I’m winning

[scarlet delta]

Idek wtf to do in the Yuri match up

she’s got it all

[tall geode]

Shut down her air approach first and see what she does next

[smoky parcel]

Pick Maxima

[tall geode]

Don’t worry you’ll get some more practice

Dude when Maxima does his DP grab on her it cracks me up, even tho she’s getting bodied. The look on his face is priceless

[scarlet delta]

10-4 coach

[scarlet delta]

How I do that bro 😂

“See what she does next”

Mannnnnnnnnnnn

[abstract swift]

@scarlet delta Yuri is really fast n she's good at any position. She's a tough matchup.

Today I could match her fireball with Geese n stop air by 2c usually but once she's going, man. It's tough

I don't have any tech for her other than try to kill her quick LOL

[scarlet delta]

I guess I’ll wait for nerfs 🤡

[tall geode]

Kyo 2C Iori 2C for starters. DP. Air to airs

Once you’ve shut down her air approach it’s basically fireballs and the run up game. She has very stubby normals you can play keep out. Theres stuff you can do. Honestly besides her charged fireball buff I think people are tripping on her, she’s always been good but in a game that rewarded huge ass normals she got overlooked

@abstract swift any notes on the tunes

[abstract swift]

10/10 cool retro ones I didn't recognize but there were some bangers

Potentially Samsho ones from what they sounded like but I can't tell what's what hahah

[tall geode]

🤘 No samsho, but all of Liz/Yuri/AOF themes and then a bunch of shit I like. K’ got a couple nice ones for example

[abstract swift]

The tunes I liked sounded like AOF then

Some bangers in dat

[wanton sierra]

@abstract swift @smoky parcel how was I today?

And anyone else who watched the stream

[lofty radish]

@dull bone some observations

Definitely don’t do raw heavy dp too much even if you are anticipating an anti air. It’s very unsafe and can be baited. I did notice you stopped doing it by the middle of the set though so that’s very good. For anti airs, use lights or anti air normals. Use heavy DPs only in reversal situations where you take advantage of their invulnerability

Learn a meterless combo string. I think it’s awesome that you mastered your 3 meter BM QM combo and it served you well! (Good job hit confirming with them too) but when opponent has low health, you still go for these QM combos (prolly due to muscle memory) and you ended up wasting 2 bars. Learn a meterless or 1 meter combo instead for these situations as well as for your point character

In neutral, instead of just sitting them and trying to block. Try to move around more. Learn to control space and know where your character are at most advanatage. Learn to do pressure on opponent. During our set, it felt I was on offense most of the time. Understand when you can start your offense

The andy did well in neutral and using his specials and normals. The BM QM is on point. Terry I felt had the least progress. I do think you are starting to understand his pokes better

Let me know if you have any questions

[dull bone]

Yeah, I do have some low/no meter combos for bm it's just after I get the hit confirm, my muscle memory presses the qm and makes the commitment for me, and then I realize what happened (ie: did NOT wanna qm there) and I drop the combo and waste 2 bars😅

I've got a good terry bnb, too only for my light confirm, I basically need to have my fist in your jaw, so at that point I just go for the close C

[lofty radish]

For terry, if you can do hops, both doing hop CDs and hop pressure to do jD to start his combo is really strong

[lofty radish]

Now that you can do your combos, practice doing your hit confirms, especially for terry. Go to lab and set cpu to 3 and try doing hit confirms into combo as much as you can. You will learn to recognize punish situations as well and have the muscle memory to punish with a big combo

Your terry seem to have the most trouble getting confirms in. You rely on raw specials and raw supers to do damage with him

[dull bone]

Yeah, I tried to go for a lot of hit confirms, but it seems like everytime, you either blocked or traded

[lofty radish]

One easy hit confirm for terry is to just do 2B 2B QM then do your big combo

2B is the easiest way to hit confirm

[lofty radish]

That said, wanted to emphasize that you have shown huge improvements every time we play. Your combos are especially on point. Won’t be long now til you surpass me and hang with the top guys

[lofty radish]

In our second set, the only reason I win is through some knowledge checks or I was able to get Clark

[dull bone]

Yeah Clark would rocv me everytime🤣

[dull bone]

The light confirm I've been doing is 2C, 3C, qm

[lofty radish]

Heavy lows are not easy to confirm. It’s good you have them in the pocket but I feel they are more for correct reads or punish. You want to have light low confirm

[lofty radish]

The key against Clark is to neutral jump

[dull bone]

3C is actually a really fast command normal for terry and it combos off of 2A very well

[lofty radish]

Try labbing the 2B 2B into QM. Should be pretty easy to learn. You just need to have it in your muscle memory everytime you do 2B with terry (at anchor)

[dull bone]

Yeah. My only worry is that I'd be sacrificing a lot of damage just for a smaller confirm

[lofty radish]

If it combos off 2A then you prolly need to do 2A first. That being said, neither 2A or 2C are lows. So it’s still harder to confirm with them

[lofty radish]

Sometimes you got to take what you can. Can’t be always waiting for the big damage if it never comes

[dull bone]

2A isn't a low?

😳

[lofty radish]

None of the punches are lows. They are mids

Trying to think of a character that hits low with A or C button. Can’t think of any

[abstract swift]

Yo! You you did well I think. First round I rewatched n you tried to zone me out with King when we were both one touch, which is really good. You recognized that you shouldn't have jumped forward so it's real progress, especially when you can point it out yourself and it's a positive reaction. I am pleased 🤙🏼

I only watched the first though. I think it was the day before that, the one you took the 2-0(?) Set from me, that was really good KOF you were playing. Solid neutral n a good balance of defense and countering.

Keep at it 🤞🏼

[smoky parcel]

@wanton sierra decent pokes as well with your team. Esp. Shermie and Beni. I see you’re trying to switch up your attack patterns. There’s a bit more deliberation in your actions. Definitely improvement. Also, bgm: Burning On KOF XIV staff roll collection

[torpid grotto]

@livid knot Ggs man good set

Your Ralf has come a long way

[smoky parcel]

you mean those 5C and 2C going a long way across the screen

[torpid grotto]

Daru any advice

[torpid grotto]

Yes

Man was bullying my trex

https://tenor.com/view/shortpersonfight-minidarthvador-heldback-short-person-gif-4974197

[livid knot]

[torpid grotto]

Damn no Ggs?

Ok

[livid knot]

OkayGs

[torpid grotto]

You like my new luong combo

[livid knot]

Um

I don't know which but I respect your luong

[torpid grotto]

(It’s the one where she flips a lot)

Your Leona scares me

[livid knot]

She didn't really get to play

Anything I try against angel its j.c

[torpid grotto]

I would not let another Leona stop the fight, pull out and earring and toss it slowly that many times

But I’m scared

[torpid grotto]

You had the right idea

[livid knot]

Oh yeah I guess thats my fault doing that against angel

[torpid grotto]

I would say roll a but more

Yeah you had like 4 in a row at the start that you blocked

[livid knot]

Nice try Howl. You were catching those

[torpid grotto]

It’s like catching a sword with your palms

Cool as shit

But you die if you don’t

[torpid grotto]

You dp’d the fuck out of me lol

[smoky parcel]

Bro Luong was doing shit I'm like wtf. Angel couldn't do shit against K. Mai was whiffing jCD's.

[livid knot]

The worst one tho is my hop in gets j.c punished

[torpid grotto]

Luong was doing shit? As in she was bad?

[smoky parcel]

Kinda didn't know what to expect with Luong ngl

You had some cool combos

[torpid grotto]

Yeah I’m actually really proud of Angel vs k’

I know I got my ass beat

[smoky parcel]

You were just blocking lol

[torpid grotto]

But vs k and king I would always lose with them 50 plus

Today I was actually poking at em

[livid knot]

Like if I JUMP in on Angel. She jumps over me while I'm in the air and j.cs me as we land

[torpid grotto]

You were ending with 20ish or I took like 2 rounds off him

[smoky parcel]

Howl was holding back on them JCs bruh

[livid knot]

Like I get if she jumps over a normal, but that...

[smoky parcel]

whats up with that

[torpid grotto]

I had to save them for bubs

[torpid grotto]

It’s the lack of pants that help her jump higher

Can we get much higher 🎶

[smoky parcel]

Hmm.. Luong though, not sure what to tell you as I don't play the new high tier ver. But use her to carry your team

I think you need to be more crackhead with Angel and disrepectful

[livid knot]

The close kick is nasty

[torpid grotto]

Cl.B?

[livid knot]

Eh em

[torpid grotto]

Her knee

Or luong

Cl.d

[torpid grotto]

I agree

[smoky parcel]

Cl.D prolly with Luong

[torpid grotto]

Playing solid isn’t her thing

[smoky parcel]

Its a low I think?

[torpid grotto]

Yes

[livid knot]

It is

[smoky parcel]

I kinda figured

[torpid grotto]

Like mai cl.b

It throws people off because they’re standing

[smoky parcel]

Its kinda fast

[torpid grotto]

NRS ass moves

[dull bone]

I gotta use bm cl.b more cuz its a low too

[livid knot]

Also I'm scared to dp with krohnen because all of howls characters can cross it up. Since it doesn't hit behind

[torpid grotto]

RIP

Yeah luong got free combos off that lol

[smoky parcel]

privilege characters be like

Lol welcome to my life

With regular DP issues

Rugal players smh.

Krohnen players.

SMH

Bro

[torpid grotto]

[smoky parcel]

Have you seen Kula DP?

[torpid grotto]

Bubs when he has to cross cut his dps

[smoky parcel]

Bro

That shit trash bro

[livid knot]

Leona and ralfs go behind

[torpid grotto]

Man’s needs 360 protection.l

All state ass mf

[livid knot]

Cross cut?

[smoky parcel]

from angel j.C

[livid knot]

Of course can't blame me

[torpid grotto]

I wouldn’t be surprise if bubs has j.c insurance

[livid knot]

[smoky parcel]

Use all of these 2B, 5B, her normals are pretty good

[smoky parcel]

I'll get that

[livid knot]

@torpid grotto we'll run it back

[torpid grotto]

Rn?

I can’t

[smoky parcel]

@torpid grotto who you think your best on your team tho

[torpid grotto]

If I can get in angel

[livid knot]

[smoky parcel]

Not who you're the most comfortable with

[torpid grotto]

If I can’t luong

[livid knot]

I meant when the stars align

[smoky parcel]

Who produces the most results

[torpid grotto]

Bet

[torpid grotto]

Ángel. She puts in work I win, or close to win. She doesn’t I lose

Luong can go crazy but she has her matches where it’s ángel, deep breath, mai

That fast lol

I play the most unsafe with her

And mai is ok

[smoky parcel]

with who

Angel?

[torpid grotto]

Luong

[smoky parcel]

oh

[livid knot]

And gets away with it

[smoky parcel]

Well

maybe

[torpid grotto]

There’s more I can be doing

[livid knot]

Her cross up divekick I am guessing is plus OR minus

[torpid grotto]

Like 2b 2b 236C on block

Safe and puts her back mid

[smoky parcel]

I was just jabbing her

I didn't know

[torpid grotto]

I do 214b which is unsafe

[smoky parcel]

The launcher?

[torpid grotto]

Yup

On block down slash on hit launch

I need to do that

[livid knot]

I need to sleep

[smoky parcel]

nope

[livid knot]

Later guys

[torpid grotto]

Gn daru n bubs

[wanton sierra]

@abstract swift how'd I today that sesh?

Overall

[abstract swift]

Good 🤙🏼 solid

[wanton sierra]

Any pointers?

[abstract swift]

Nah not in particular, you played well today

[jolly badge]

@dull bone
I see your neutral seems good, I've seen you cross up and try to get in quite well with all three of your characters.
Andy specifically went VERY well, and you also zoned with him at times, so I think you do understand your characters quite well.
The biggest problems I found in your gameplay were that you throw some really punishable movements too often.
Maybe you should hold back on the dps and maybe practice some hit confirms, so you won't get punished so often.
Then again, besides that and a few things I'll address to both of you in the end, your gameplay seems good and I believe you can get far if you continue playing as much and as committed as you are rn

@carmine axle
Your Vanessa was really good, it seems that you have quite an understanding of the character. You hit confirm well and didn't do anything too punishable for nothing.
Your Iori was also good, and I see you have good reactions with him, being able to hit some raw supers and climax quite often. I'd advise against it, but it does show good reaction time.
On the other hand, your Shermie can do a lot of things to improve. She wasn't bad, but maybe because I know her more than the other two, I can say more about her. You should take care with her specials. I see you used a lot her running grab and the leg grab on neutral, and it worked sometimes, but you can get HEAVILY punished if you miss.

Now for the both of you
Combos
I know they are not the most important things on a fighting game, but both of you seem to be dropping a lot
Every fight you dropped at least one combo
Specially the quick max combos, these can't be dropped as they spend too much bar

And both of your Anchors, Terry and Shermie, have like 80% combos with 4 or 5 bars, so they are kinda dependent on it sometimes and I've seen you both losing opportunities to kill because you dropped combos.
Blue Mary and Iori too, those two chars can benefit A LOT from bigger combos, and being able to confirm those in an actual match is a must in my opinion

[carmine axle]

That’s a lot of words lol

Yeah I know I gotta work on combos and maybe I’ll put shermie point for more neutral

[jolly badge]

Also for the both of you
Anti air
I know for example Vanessa doesn't have a good one
Angel also doesn't
Roll back, back dash or try doing an air to air

But don't just block and withstand pressure cuz that is getting you killed

Shermie has AMAZING anti airs, with Cr. Hp and her DP
Terry too can cause A LOT of damage with his DP
So maybe you should pay more attention to that

[carmine axle]

Yeah I know but like you said if I miss I could die

[dull bone]

Feedback appreciated. My combo game has been something I've been trying to hone for the past month and I've gotten quite far for 1 month. But it's obviously not perfect yet, but thats just something that comes with practice and time

[jolly badge]

Yes, there is that problem
Which is why I use mostly the Cr. Hp

It usually works very well

Sometimes trades, but still breaks enemy pressure

Shermie Far Hk also works, but I don't use it as much

[dull bone]

As for my neutral, I originally come from a sf2turbo and smash background so combo game wasn't really something I worked on so I had exceptionally good neutral to make up for the lack of combo game, and a lot of my fundamentals transfered over such as with Andy due to experience in basic shoto fundamentals.

Both aren't perfect yet, they're something I've been trying to improve on, footsies especially this week

[jolly badge]

Yup
Exactly
As I said, you just need to continue playing as you do now
You'll get the hang of it

Maybe spend like 20min on training mode everyday can help
Took me a week of doing that to learn Leona's earring combos

[dull bone]

I've been balancing my training mode time fairly well

[jolly badge]

Ohhhhhh
That's why!
It makes a lot of sense rn

[jolly badge]

It's going well

[dull bone]

Spend about 5-20 minutes before long sets to just sit and practice my bnbs, and my qms because like you said, I can not afford to drop those

[jolly badge]

You both are doing good
Just need maybe some small tweaks and improvements to what you already do

[dull bone]

Even in smash some characters can combo, but my dumbass mains ganondorf the one mf who literally can't combo anything

[jolly badge]

That is a good strategy
Keep doing it
You'll be able to do it well in no time

[dull bone]

So neutral was all I had

[jolly badge]

Plus, it's normal to drop sometimes
Everyone does

But in higher level matches, doing so probably gets you killed

[carmine axle]

Yeah, just gotta work on shermie stuff most

[dull bone]

Yeah. And my combos aren't even the greatest sometimes cuz I'll just lab em out myself and figure out what works instead of watching a combo video because those don't help me at all and imo seems like cheating

[dull bone]

Like my terry qm. I was watching terry in online tournaments and I saw the qm and so I put the video on x.25 speed and wrote out the notations on paper so I could practice that later

And now here I am.

[jolly badge]

I do have to say that I did quite a lot today
Lmao

Idk what happened to my execution today, but I dropped like 3 Angel bnbs and one Shermie QM against Daru
Obviously there was no forgiveness
Lol

[dull bone]

Because old shit still relevant 😂

[jolly badge]

Yes!!!
I do that too
Angel took some hours for me to come up with the combos I use today
And I know for sure they are not optimal

But I find it much easier and more gratifying

[dull bone]

Same with mary

If I took all my hours, I'd say at least 10% of it is labbing out ex slider combos

[jolly badge]

That is GREAT!
I do recommend doing it more often
I'm having to do that with ET to learn Billy
There simply is no tutorial nor anything about him anywhere...

[dull bone]

Its probably why when I hit ex slider, time stops and I see an option screen that reads "what method you gonna use to kill this guy today?"😂

[jolly badge]

Lmfao
I sometimes see that too
The problem is when I choose wrong
Lol

[dull bone]

First thing I did when I got the game was do all the trials for my fighters so I could start building my main combo muscle memory for later on (and because I wanted the titles lol)

Turns out, a lot of them are not optimal at all

Some are helpful, but there are simply more options for damage

[jolly badge]

Nope
But they are good starts

[dull bone]

I can't remember. Have you seen my 51 hit bm combo yet?

Labbed it out myself and everything and it's super cool, but not optimal for damage at all

[jolly badge]

Nope
I haven't

[jolly badge]

Being cool is what matters
Lol

[dull bone]

Want me to send a quick link?

[jolly badge]

Plz do!

[dull bone]

https://twitter.com/therealDTK/status/1618797233557864449?t=bNUdN6z-LZ2bICg_bwE61w&s=33

DylTheKid (@therealDTK)

Got the Breakneck Speed trophy using Blue Mary. Got a 51 hit combo. Felt good to finally get this trophy after so long.

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jan 27, 2023, 2:25 AM

[jolly badge]

Still, I have to sleep now
It's 1h14min am for me rn

I hope I helped with the feedback!

[dull bone]

Understandable, yeah, it was a huge help thanks

[jolly badge]

I belive someday you'll be great if you continue like this

Same for Fizz

[carmine axle]

Thx

[jolly badge]

And I still have to evaluate Rait
But if he is on the same level as you two, he probably also only has to make some small tweaks to his playstyle in order to grow as a player

AH
And if you ever need some more feedback, some online training (Idk how that works, tbh), or even want to actually fight me, be welcome!

[dull bone]

I think we've fought once or twice and you mopped the floor w me🤣

[fickle plaza]

@tall geode hit me with it a side note though I’m starting to understand what I should be doing in kof which is stop being lazy and be more active even when you’re doing nothing in neutral or blocking

[abstract swift]

My homegrown Texan

You been saying this for time

😭

[fickle plaza]

Yeah you right💀

As much as it pains my ultra ego im not gunna win against better players if I don’t step it up because then I’m just relying on shit to just hit and that’s nothing!

[fickle plaza]

@abstract swift @dim shadow let’s go tell me some real shit no filter lets get it

I see the way I be playing though

I’m playing hella scrubby

[abstract swift]

You're using a new character so Gato is whatever, he has the best buttons in the game I think so use that shyte

N quit being a punk n play aggro

[dim shadow]

He just can't do easy damage anymore haha. He's just less dumb 👹 but I really enjoy your Gato @fickle plaza your Isla should just be dropped imo 🤌 she's not bad or anything but you haven't made ANY progress with her alone

[fickle plaza]

Bro honestly gato’s buttons got nerfed you can’t oppress ppl Anymore

[dim shadow]

My dude

He still has solid buttons

Yash git nerfed but he still has great buttons regardless

Gato's neutral is one of the best top 5

Regardless nerfing shit

Gato, Rock, Luong, Kroh, Yash

[fickle plaza]

I didn’t say he had bad buttons

And i know I should be using his whatever fang thingy

I just don’t know what to do💀

[dim shadow]

You were thinking it 👹

[fickle plaza]

No i just gotta use his other buttons

Cynical blossoms

[fickle plaza]

Do I not play aggro anymore? How do I play? Like just call me a pussy while you’re at it💀💀💀💀

[tall geode]

The matches were really close so idk if I can give great advice but here’s what I noticed:

• this was more in the early sets bc you changed later on, but spend more meter with your mid characters. I saw a few 5 bar Mary’s, not sure she needs that much cash. Open to being wrong here

-you went for AA normals on some of my hop pressure and it ended badly for you. Liz j.C has a really small hurtbox since the patch which is why I’m using it more lately. Sometimes you just gotta block

-mix in some same side jump ins especially with BM. I know j.B is busted but if everything is a cross up nothing is

-you’re taking good advantage of Luongs long reaching normals, especially when I was cornered. Good corner pressure overall I had to take big risks to get out. Good shit

What do you have for me?

[fickle plaza]

Activate maximum crackhead mode with yuri

Yeah idk tbh

Yeah I’ve been called out a lot trying to press buttons way to much it’s my inner anime fighter

Like I press 2A trying to anti air or a okay ish anti air button or a special move like luongs upward geki and id get 5A so it looks like I’m mashing 5A lmao I just suck

[tall geode]

I really took it to heart when you said Yuri was spazzy a couple weeks ago. And then Bubs said she’s random so been trying to actually do shit on purpose and hit confirm because, I really can’t disagree with y’all are saying

[tall geode]

Not sure what you were going for but it looked like Luong 2C or other stuff with Gato. I didn’t think it was mashy, just that you went for an AA on my short hop. Shit is hard to react to

[smoky parcel]

@dull bone Watch your opponent very closely. I like that now you have slowed down on wake-up DP each time. The failed air to air reads are super risky too. Wake-up sweep is not the move. Especially against very hop happy characters. They hop, simply 5A them if you can. This is an easy way to practice stopping hops if you aren’t cracked and DP like a machine. If you can’t react to the hops consistently, try to block, and then space out from them to reset to neutral. Now we can stabilize and try again. Watch their attack pattern, it may be hop, low, or hop, jab. There are plenty of other variants but it depends. Ultimately be observant. It’s a lot to keep track of while minding your own offense.

[fickle plaza]

Idk I think you’ve leveled up hard asf in general you’re hard to fucking kill and hit bro i literally can’t make any mistakes or I die! I gotta dig deep! Same when I fight daru and especially eljay

[smoky parcel]

@carmine axle Iori Yagami, NO REKKA ON BLOCK. maybe 1 once every blue moon. Use 2B. Iori 2B that’s your poke button. Good range, and fast. Then after you use 2B, press 2A. Then after you press 2A. DO NOT REKKA until the opponent actually got hit with the previous button. Now that we have that out the way, stop wake-up DP every time someone look at you wrong. DP when they are jumping in on you. This takes time and practice and precision, allat.
Iori is super strong. All his aerial buttons you should have no problem winning air to airs as j.b is literally OD asf. J.A, J.D as well. They jump and you on the ground? 2C them on reaction. It goes high as shit. Less risk than DP if you make the wrong move. You in the corner and they full jumping over you? 5C, or 5D. Depends on the timing. Lab this in training mode. Privileged buttons.
As for applying pressure, learn to run in slightly, feint, 2B 2A, or 5A. Ending the blockstring in jab so you still plus. I can send you some clips of some Iori OS stuff and some combos too if you want.

[tall geode]

Thanks, I think we all have 🤘

[carmine axle]

Some clips would definitely be helpful

[tall geode]

@fickle plaza Yo I thought I understood BM counter grab but I guess not. How does it work again?

[fickle plaza]

It’s has invincibility for a couple of frames, so the reason why I would get hit or grabbed out of it was because I would do the follow up to slow which the follow up is a command grab but like deadass just short hop it or jump it has a lot of recovery

[tall geode]

Oh it’s 2 moves? This whole time I thought it was just one and that it was a counter meaning I have to press a button. Was surprised the times I did nothing and got grabbed

[fickle plaza]

Yeah so don’t be afraid to jump that shit because I’m still recovering from doing the counter and grab there are times where I would go to dp afterwards against other ppl to test it and it wouldn’t come out I was stuck and got punished

But yeah I need to start implementing her grabs more

And not drop qm

[tall geode]

Can you do the command grab raw or only as a follow up?

It seems way too fast to react with a jump. It’ll counter anything that touches her right

[fickle plaza]

No its not like geese’s I’m doing it all manually

That’s why it has invincibility

So it can give you time to do the follow up command grab

[fickle plaza]

No not raw she has to go into the full counter wave “hey” stance

Then do the follow up from there

However she can just do the counter and opt out of doing the follow up

To throw off your punish timings but the recovery for just doing the counter is less worst than doing the follow up command grab

The problem with the command grab is that if I get too predictable I can explode really badly it’s basically a full combo punish

But other than that it’s high risk for not much reward

Just see it as Clark’s hands up grab

The same way you just gotta jump it the same applies to BM’s real counter

@tall geode do you have anything for me? I think I was dealing with shunei’s fisties well

[tall geode]

Hmm so she recovers faster if she just does counter and it whiffs versus doing counter + command grab, do I have that right? Also it’ll counter air moves too or just ground moves

[tall geode]

Clark gets nice setups off his command grabs, assuming BM does too

[tall geode]

I thought you made really nice adjustments from our set a couple nights ago. Well done. And yeah the best thing to do with Shun’ei fist is block and see what he does next. I’ll be honest even I don’t understand the move fully, sometimes it seems like it has huge priority and hitbox, other times the smallest shit will knock him out of it. My best guess is that it has a hitbox that starts small, gets bigger and then goes to nothing instead of one constant like a lot of other special moves

Oh and those random supers with Yuri weren’t me being scrubby. Well, they were input errors so kind of I guess but this new spring and actuator has basically made my stick a foreign object all over again lol. Like I wasn’t even pulling it back far enough to block sometimes too, but that’s fine just gotta break it in and get used to it. BUT the extra precision is why I was hitting so many more of the Yuri 3D combos so that’s the trade off I made

[fickle plaza]

If I time it I can I frame the jump in and punish with her follow up command grab it just depends, but yeah either way you’re better off just jumping it. With that being said I gotta be cautious about how and when I use it for that reason. You can call it out though for sure

[fickle plaza]

It’s okay I understand that I’ve been playing on a different dpad for a couple months now and I’m still not used to it I miss certain inputs I would otherwise hit on the normal ps d pad which kinda makes me feel like I regressed 😪

[fickle plaza]

Yahh not to the extent that Clark does but mainly as a opener and defensive option

[tall geode]

Ok thanks, last question: am I jumping when I hear “hey!” or is this a read I gotta make?

[tall geode]

You’re scaring the shit out of me dude, now I gotta hit training mode and get some new muscle memory

[fickle plaza]

Si either or works, reacting or just deadass calling it out the same thing you’d do with Clark you can apply that with her

[fickle plaza]

Well to be fair I wasn’t really labbing the game like how I was now I was playing other stuff more and also my room likes to turn into sub zero so shit is just weird😂😂😂

[tall geode]

Are you a secret lab monster that only comes out to play after getting some reps in on stuff you’re working on? Because I sure am

[knotty oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-work-out-anime-dragon-ball-gif-16694883

[fickle plaza]

Well it depends I mostly practice combos to figure out why I drop them and crouching HC and if I’m feeling a bit spicy I practice block strings and my character specific mixups or tech whatever they call it

[tall geode]

Sorta similar here. I’ll do 5 minutes (each side) of my main routes to start off, then will work on a new route if applicable for longer (maybe 20 minutes), then block strings with a variety of dummy reversals so I can practice what I should/can do after a string has ended #1021448500518584341

[fickle plaza]

@smoky parcel hit me with it

[smoky parcel]

You be jumping every round start

I was playing kinda passive tbh so you were able to be as free as a bird

Isla was snapping at the end

You fr tryna play Yama?

[fickle plaza]

Ok so that my inner dbfz im there I would round start jump back see what my opponent does💀

[fickle plaza]

Idk tbh he’s kinda hard😅

[smoky parcel]

Yeah I haven't really dove into playing with him myself. I hear people say he's hard but I guess I get it? Keep on with that Gato though, I think he's a good fit for how you like to play.

[smoky parcel]

Fighterz a lit ass game when you really look back and think about it.

[fickle plaza]

Hell yeah I love that game soo much creativity with combos even till this day!

[fickle plaza]

Yeah I appreciate it I’m trying to be od with him

Gato’s crouching hc changed but sometimes they whiff so I’m probably just gunna go straight for super cancels

[smoky parcel]

Yeah he's another DLC I have but have not really played. When I fight him my mu knowledge ain't fully there

[fickle plaza]

I think his stance is better than luong’s

Or well I like it bettter

[smoky parcel]

yeah he got so many followups

[abstract swift]

@torpid grotto this applies to everyone, including me, but you do the same cycle of moves at the same range

[torpid grotto]

Especially with Vanessa

I agree

[abstract swift]

A way I've gone around it while keeping the same gameplan are delays. That and waiting the split second longer to see if you'll do x, y or z and (gambling for me) doing the most appropriate counter