SNK Post-Match Discussion

[abstract swift]

@worn arch

[wanton sierra]

Surprisingly

[carmine axle]

Is Vanessa anchor a solid place to put her, I kinda just assumed to her needing meter

[torpid grotto]

She’s better at point/ mid she’s great with 1.5 bars

[abstract swift]

you can put her mid too, but she can gain meter pretty well though too so you can put her anywhere

[wanton sierra]

Positioning never really matters

Only in comp

[torpid grotto]

She can do more with less comparatively

[wanton sierra]

But it's generally good to put her on point so the opponent had less options to deal with her rushdown

[torpid grotto]

@abstract swift billy bro! Remember billy? Billy sands the fight announcer from Rocky 1. Huh never knew he was in kof that’s kinda cool

[carmine axle]

Okay, I’ll have to try different orders I think for certain I don’t want shermie mid

[wanton sierra]

Sure

[carmine axle]

Definitely wanna try more characters and teams but for now I’m gonna focus on what I’m using

[wanton sierra]

Go for it

Kof is the game for it

[abstract swift]

try everyone once in lab, might be a sleeper pick you never considered

just check out their buttons n see if you can string together a combo or two

[carmine axle]

K’ is so cool I definitely am interested

[abstract swift]

I literally picked my team cuz they looked cool, had a fireball, and had big booms

n i haven't looked back since (besides Joe)

[carmine axle]

My teams mostly off appearance tho do like Iori gameplay wise as well

[smoky parcel]

I need a team I think I got 1

[abstract swift]

K', Antonov, Geese

[wanton sierra]

@carmine axle oh and remember to take a look at dream cancel

[abstract swift]

i believe in you

[wanton sierra]

It will give you nice overviews

[carmine axle]

I’ll try to remember I don’t like reading forums too much tho

[wanton sierra]

Oh it's not a forum

[smoky parcel]

This a diabolical team ngl

[wanton sierra]

@carmine axle

[abstract swift]

dreamcancel is good because you'll learn some moves only have properties after a blockstring/combo. Like, a special move is typically negative but if you fullstring, it'll be positive/you get a frame trap.

[wanton sierra]

Stuff like this

[abstract swift]

so it's good reads nn worth the look

[abstract swift]

I'm heavily considering Geese

[wanton sierra]

Like I said, it's a trove of info

[smoky parcel]

Overrated

[carmine axle]

I know I looked, it’s just I don’t really like looking at stuff like that

[abstract swift]

Lemme hit you with the frame 1 climax n tell me what you think after

"oooooo, busted wtf" -daru

[torpid grotto]

Climaxes go brrrrrrr

[abstract swift]

you dont have to lol, it does make it seem we are pushy. Do ya thang, you can still learn the same things here through trial n error.

[wanton sierra]

Well, if the will ever posseses you to get into the weeds with a character it will be an indispensable tool

[abstract swift]

did you go back to the 1800s in your break

[wanton sierra]

Wut?

[carmine axle]

Yeah

[wanton sierra]

Let me speak the way I do

If I wanted you're opinion on my vernacular I would've asked

[torpid grotto]

@abstract swift mild spoiler sonic tells one of the character “Stop with the cryptic talk either give me a straight answer or skedaddle” made me think of cien

[abstract swift]

you also wanted my opinion on what to do moving forward n you threw it in the dumpster so

[wanton sierra]

When did i?

Explain it to me in full

[abstract swift]

nah you can read, check yourself

[wanton sierra]

And I explained my side and you continue to dismiss it

So what am I to do?

You and Howl both

Cherry herself sees what I'm talking about, what are you not getting and I'll do what I can to explain further

[torpid grotto]

Ok I’m not commenting

But cb steady defends you

Even when you’re both wrong lol

[wanton sierra]

I'm not counting literal wins

That's not the focus

[smoky parcel]

What is the focus?

[wanton sierra]

Having CB try harder than she did before

That's a mark on my own progress, is it not?

[smoky parcel]

That's hard for anyone

[wanton sierra]

Like I got better so the team she was using before wasn't sufficient

That why I'm proud to have her go main team on me

Patting myself on the back for being better than I was when I left

I didn't count it for you cuz you were messing around with Shermie

Am I making sense?

With you I just had fun playing the game and trying to adapt

If I'm being too hard on myself (which is something Mac, Oliver, CB, and I'm forgetting more said) I'm not focusing on hard count game wins, which I used to use as a focus since the tangiblility of improvement is so nebulous

So I'm ditching that method and just being happy to play the game, and hey if before Cherry used a special team for me then switched it up, it feels fun! Feels like I'm playing with Cherry at her full capacity

@lofty radish do you get what I'm trying to say?

I want at least one more person to understand my pov here

[abstract swift]

to drop this conversation, i'm glad you had fun, it's when you start getting squashed by the new kid(s) after hearing "i picked up the game x amount of time ago" n they may surpass you. Or if you go on a losing streak if you dabble with the regulars is what i am concerned for. That's why I say idc about today, it's how you'll feel tomorrow, or the next day, and if your matches in the next month will continue to have this mentality

consistency is not a one night fluke.

that's why i do not believe you to the slightest.

[wanton sierra]

Ouch

Can I not get to feel good, even if it is one day?

So harsh, Mac

Makes my cri everytime

[abstract swift]

if the above being said is not fully comprehended (which it isn't) and this is your response, then i'll take my leave n bid you gnight

[wanton sierra]

Take care

[torpid grotto]

Sweat dreams mac, may you wake up to your hat 180d

[worn arch]

Late to the game, but I saw my summoning

May have to drop Team SamSho for a night and remind y’all Billy exists before patch time

[wanton sierra]

Glad that's cleared up

[tall geode]

Yes. Go to the FT10 server lol. For real tho idk, I just watched the stream while cooking/eating and you were definitely more consistent than I was. Oh and I laughed when you said the first round feels like a mini game. That’s how I’ve felt about point Angel from the jump, and not just yours. It’s like, “Ok I can play KOF now” after she’s gone. What could I work on? I already saw how much damage I left on the table with drops (omg Yuri could have killed so many times) but it was with everyone. You caught me pressing on wake up with Vanessa a few times with the neutral jump. That Mai close B is so sneaky too lol. What you got for me?

[torpid grotto]

Yeah combos also you’re tooooo scared of being without meter (it seems)

You never lvl1 lvl 2

Rarely

With Liz you could’ve killed Nessa many times

But chose to save meter and nessa either did damage or killed because of it

Id say end with level ones and gauge if you can kill if not save it and you have 2 bars

Instead of doing 2 bars and being left with one and potential no kill

Yuri drops but you know that

You rolled a lot even without angel j.c as a threat

[tall geode]

I heard you say that too, those were all drops lol. Every single one

[torpid grotto]

Nah sometimes you just lvl 2 especially with Liz

[tall geode]

If you turn inputs on you’d see me miss the diagonal

[torpid grotto]

I’ve noticed the drops those are usually when you don’t get a super at all

But sometimes you have 3 bars and just do lvl 2

[tall geode]

Yeah her 1 > 2 does like 95 more damage it’s not worth it

[torpid grotto]

Does it?

Have you considered not doing like triple ex

[tall geode]

Yeah I’ve been in the lab

It’s 3 bars for that combo

[torpid grotto]

So from my experience could be different for Liz

If you do 1-2 exs just use a lvl 1 ender unless kill

[tall geode]

And you need to do the ex’s to keep the juggle going

[torpid grotto]

If you want to get damage and dump meter

Normal into close normal into heavy special lvl1 lvl 2

Or normal close normal lvl 1 lvl 2

[tall geode]

What I should be doing, and have been labbing is the QM

[torpid grotto]

Just check for me if you ever have time the simple routes

See if you can get that damage

[tall geode]

I don’t know what you mean. If I don’t ex dp and ex sheild I don’t get the combo

Just going off DC for optimal routing

You’re talking about the scaling right?

[torpid grotto]

Yeah

But most characters can normally do a normal command normal super at least

Some can do normal command normal special super

Like Mai, 2c 3d 2 ex lvl 1 lvl 3 does like 650

2c 3d 214 C Lvl 2 lvl 3 does like 805

Same meter

[tall geode]

Hers is cl.C > 6A. Shun is the only one of my characters that can cancel off far C

[torpid grotto]

Yeah cl.c 6a lvl 1 lvl 2 might get you more damage than 2 ex combo lvl 1

See if that’s the case yeah? When you have a chance

[tall geode]

Ok I get you. Yeah I’ve labbed it and the best use of meter is QM but I drop it so much it’s not worth it

[torpid grotto]

Just keep going for them

You saw me drop it like 3 times lol

[tall geode]

I’ll take a look and see if you’re right

I hit a couple for the very first time yesterday against a random but wanted to be more solid in the FT10. Didn’t work out that way tho

[torpid grotto]

You gave me a tough ass fight bro

I loved it

[smoky parcel]

So who won

[tall geode]

He did

[torpid grotto]

I was getting comfy at 1-7 lol but you lit a fire under my ass

[smoky parcel]

I was in like 3 streams

3 tabs open lol

[torpid grotto]

10-7 10-8 something like that

[torpid grotto]

But me and smoke were your fav right?

[smoky parcel]

You two were actually playing the game

So yeah I'd say so

[tall geode]

The SF comment took me out lol

Glad I didn’t see it while I was playing 😹😹😹

[tall geode]

You’re remarkably upbeat even when losing. And still analytical af. I could take a page out of your playbook

[smoky parcel]

I'm used to people just going crazy I join the stream and it was like super patient

Like me and cherry just now was playing so damn aggressive

[tall geode]

I was definitely conscious of trying to mix up from my usual against you Howl

[smoky parcel]

Hyperactive, well me

[torpid grotto]

I think like no bs not even saying it for brownie points I have more fun losing

[tall geode]

Yeah this for real. Most people just fly at me so playing Howl was a good change, actually had to think instead of pure reaction

[torpid grotto]

Yeah I hang back and try to read but lord knows I’m illiterate

I monkey a bit with mai though

[tall geode]

L is for learning lol. I prefer to win but don’t learn much from it

[tall geode]

She is so fucking sneaky

[smoky parcel]

Privilege characters

[torpid grotto]

I remember one interaction you kept running jumping running jumping so I just stopped full screen and didn’t do anything

Your yuri looked at me like this dude fr?

[torpid grotto]

She’s a fav

[smoky parcel]

One of the first characters I played on this 1

[torpid grotto]

She’s fun

[tall geode]

Yeah Yuri is a fucking scrub right now. I’m learning her buttons and what I can get away with and what I get punished for

Almost hit you with the 550 a couple times but it’s weird near the corner and she can side switch for reasons

[torpid grotto]

Yeah I was getting hyped for it!

[tall geode]

I know I could tell! Sorry to let you down

[torpid grotto]

I think she can 2b 2a 214ac 623bd6c 623c?

Does that sound right

Or actually fuck that

Demon flip grab

That alone is like 35 40 damage

[torpid grotto]

It’s all good I learned bessa though!

Full screen you know her charge uppercut into charge ex uppercut?

Normal uppercut can 3d after

Ex can’t

Unless corner but if you have corner there’s better options

I found out against you I can just run in after ex and land 3d lol

Total monkey discovery

[tall geode]

Is 3D the slide?

[torpid grotto]

Yeah

Volleyball fist like chun li

[tall geode]

Another thing I think I should do is go full matches for a while fuck the lab

Nice find!

[torpid grotto]

Yeah we both need some longer sets

I had tons of fun

Sometimes 4 people ft2 are so fun especially with the homies and shit talking but they can be ineffective learning time lol. Unless you never lose lol what am I Daru?

[tall geode]

I usually lab for a bit and then matches but I think I need to just play now. Like tonight was the second time I’d ever hit the empty jump 2B > 2A full combo with Shun and it felt soooo good

[smoky parcel]

Ok

[tall geode]

Yeah I’d rather 1 v 1 people the big rooms are fun for a little while but I want constant action

[smoky parcel]

I don't mind groups maybe ft 2 MAX

I need to play a team I like enough

Lol story of my life

[torpid grotto]

That was dope

[tall geode]

Also my hands are moving too fast these days, like there’s more time than I think

[smoky parcel]

If you're on tonight I'm on

[torpid grotto]

You have an all time fav? Kyo?

[tall geode]

Or K’ right

[smoky parcel]

Tbh Kyo can't carry me though sometimes I want to be carried

[smoky parcel]

Maybe like Terry he's pretty cool

[tall geode]

Thanks!

[torpid grotto]

Hmmm

I like terry k’ kyo

That team is a banger

[smoky parcel]

I got a team Imma use

[tall geode]

I can play in like 15 minutes if you’d like

[torpid grotto]

But idk how much personal enjoyment that gives you

[torpid grotto]

You gonna tell us or keep it a secret

[smoky parcel]

Yeah that's the thing with Kyo he's fun asf but Terry doesn't feel as fluid . Bro hits like a freight train though

[torpid grotto]

He fucking does lol

Mac touches me I’m like

[smoky parcel]

Imma do O Chris, K, Dolores rn. Iori I need to bring him back, I want to play Kyo somewhere as well. O Chris is just easier than Kyo really

[torpid grotto]

Heat

I love your Dolores

[smoky parcel]

I need to actually pick her more often I had a moment where I was using her a bit but she got dropped

[torpid grotto]

I was gonna nickname her D but that would’ve made this mad sus lol

[smoky parcel]

yeah lmk when you're ready

[torpid grotto]

Nah Dolores mad swaggy though

Arguably one of the uglier climaxes though sadly

Nothing beats kukri in ass tier animations though lol

[smoky parcel]

Yeah the mud does look hella weird even on PS5

[smoky parcel]

And I got Kukri random roday like 4x not a fan of him he's fun tho

[torpid grotto]

Kof particle effects aren’t the best lol

[tall geode]

There’s 3 routes depending if you want to spend .5, 1 or 1.5

[torpid grotto]

Which is optimal

[tall geode]

Whichever one will kill but tbh prob the .5

Just checked the Liz routes btw

My way is better but not by a lot. The best use is QM so need to just go for it

@smoky parcel ready?

[smoky parcel]

Yeah im here was eating tho

[tall geode]

Oh finish that and lmk

No rush

[torpid grotto]

@tall geode did you notice mai was actually hopping?

[vast vine]

I always notice when Mai jumps/hops 😏

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-22092754

I meant the fact that I actually hopped

@abstract swift said I could never hop in my life I was too dumb

Or maybe it was @fickle plaza

Either or

[abstract swift]

Both

[torpid grotto]

Yeah

See mac, you gave me advice

And I went and practiced

You proud of me?

[vast vine]

I will give you a Daru advice

Idk howl just hop

[torpid grotto]

Bro Daru ui worse advice giver lol he’s goated though

[vast vine]

I know

[torpid grotto]

Damn Daru Wtf was that k’ combo

“Idk I hit you a lot”

Man is a beast lol

[fickle plaza]

Lmao

I like making fun of my friends

[tall geode]

Yeah nice one. Told you hop CD is oppressive AF the only nice thing is it’s crouch blockable

[vast vine]

So that's why you don't make fun of me

[torpid grotto]

Yeah it was hitting grounded opponents

I love it

[fickle plaza]

Lies

[vast vine]

Ok

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110

[vast vine]

I'll just ignore trip, it's better that way

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[fickle plaza]

WOW

I’m used to getting ignored anyways

[livid knot]

@shrewd pike try not to do that ex Yash move in neutral because I was getting free punishes off it.

[shrewd pike]

Haha yeah

[livid knot]

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/rare-rare-steak-gif-11709119

Bubs giving advice?

[livid knot]

Detractor incoming

[shrewd pike]

I’ll train confirming it more

[livid knot]

[shrewd pike]

I was proud of my Mai corner pressure one round especially

[tall geode]

@torpid grotto meant to ask. How were you throwing me on my wake up? Specifically when I didn’t roll backwards. That shit was wild

[shrewd pike]

I need to find a char like that with mobility and projectiles to jail ppl

Maybe Isla

[torpid grotto]

Good question

I just tried to throw

I thought you were rolling

[tall geode]

I stopped after you did it but that was some SF6 shit lol

[torpid grotto]

Daru did accuse us of playing sf lol

Might as well huh

[tall geode]

He did lol

[torpid grotto]

I actually want to get into sf again lol

[tall geode]

It’ll be here soon enough

[torpid grotto]

Ft100s

Every day

Till we’re pro

[tall geode]

Ha! I don’t know how I’m gonna split my time but am definitely gonna grind SF

[torpid grotto]

I’m hoping for a 30/70 split but you know irl always complies

[tall geode]

I’ll prob do that split too in favor of KOF tho

[torpid grotto]

I’m a sf player that got convinced to play kof

[tall geode]

Funny how that works. My first fg was SF but ended up liking the feel of KOF more

[livid knot]

[torpid grotto]

@livid knot that was so fun

If you have any advice for me please feel free

[livid knot]

(For you)

[torpid grotto]

Oh you beat my ass most of the sets

[livid knot]

Obligatory advice: I anti aired your Mai more this time. So jump less, or be less predictable.

[livid knot]

It wasnt a fun victory. I was face palming the entire time if I'm being honest.

But matchup stuff is my fault.

If I need to lab all the gimmicks I'll have to do it.

[torpid grotto]

Why

[torpid grotto]

Thanks man

Angel really picked up at the end right

[fickle plaza]

💀💀💀

Goodshit @torpid grotto

U should practice your HC whiff punishes

With angel

[torpid grotto]

H c?

[fickle plaza]

Hit comfirm you do sweep to punish a pretty punishable move change that sweep into 2A,2a into full combo with angel like cheryyy does

Cherry got that “if you reach I teach” shit on lock

For anything I stick out

@dim shadow right cherry!

[torpid grotto]

Ah got you

[fickle plaza]

Well with all your characters tbh you should whiff punish more with mai 2a2a

[torpid grotto]

Thanks trip!

[fickle plaza]

Also stop trolling bruhh💀

[shrewd pike]

Happy Chaos

[tall geode]

Trying to be the mosquito @smoky parcel lol if you have anything for me I’m all ears. As always thanks for the sets

[dim shadow]

Yeah, I'm very neutral and grounded oriented. Gotta be patient and wait it out.

[smoky parcel]

Yuri specific, more grounded pressure. It's fine that I'm over here trying to scramble to find her on my screen, but realistically this isn't a long term solution against characters with strong AA game. Have to utilize that speed to close in and pressure them, she is ridiculous. Close A or 2A into 2C. Command grab tick throws. Even her 2B is fast as shit even though she's so little and has limited range. Her close B is a standing low can throw people off similar to Iori's. For example, some 3D cancel into whatever. You have her point so you have some leverage. I rarely see the light confirms, idk how often you've been working on this.

[shrewd pike]

@smoky parcel how often were you very minus on your flying Terry attack? Power knuckle I think

When I thought I can punish you were safe

Any tips on how to escape a corner vs Terry?

[worn arch]

Power Dunk

[smoky parcel]

Burn knuckle, if spaced properly can be relatively safe on block.

[torpid grotto]

Burn knuckle is relatively safe yeah

If spaced properly

It’s very hard to punish in general

[worn arch]

A version specifically

[torpid grotto]

I think he meant burn

[smoky parcel]

The blockstring where he punches and throws the ground projectile, you can roll or DP right before he throws it out

Not real.

[worn arch]

In other words, there is a gap

[torpid grotto]

Get Real

[worn arch]

Just like when Sol goes into Gunflame

[shrewd pike]

Makes me wanna try Terry instead of Yashiro. Thought he's more of a shoto but he can be so unga too

[wanton sierra]

Good to know

[smoky parcel]

Yashiro is super strong as of rn.

But, idk much about playing with him

[torpid grotto]

Terry isn’t your traditional shoto you may like him but yash is a gorilla so I’m sure he’s fun

[worn arch]

Terry is his own man

[smoky parcel]

You should def try out Terry, he's fun as shit

[worn arch]

Real Talk

XV Terry is best Terry

And I don’t think that’s debatable

[shrewd pike]

There's so little good guides about this game I might use characters that ppl here use so it's easier to ask

[torpid grotto]

Daru used terry somewhat and @abstract swift is a great resource

[worn arch]

KOF is a system game. And so character guides will be a bit limited.

The guides that will get you far are ones about universal mechanics and neutral

If you get that down then characters will come easy

[torpid grotto]

I still think character guides are crucial and kof has a distinct lack of content

But you are right though

[smoky parcel]

Well we have a lot of MAI

A lot of TERRY

Luong too actually

Didn't mean to caps this

[shrewd pike]

I'm spoiled by Tekken 7 Strive and SFV. Thought every game I can type x character pressure and find lots of videos

[worn arch]

Lots of Ángel players here too

[torpid grotto]

A little bit of Erica by my side

[smoky parcel]

Imma half-Angel player

[worn arch]

“KOF got the boom and anime babes that make me think the wrong thing.”

[shrewd pike]

Is Terry good on point?

[worn arch]

Terry is good period, but more meter the better with him

[torpid grotto]

Everyone argues that anyone can go anywhere and that’s true to an extent but I think certain characters are better at certain places like angel Kula and Athena are good batteries so they’re better point or mid

That all being said

Terry and Mai are some of the characters that literally play well everywhere

Anchor terry is scary but point or mid he’s self sufficient

[worn arch]

Another consideration: how worried are you about the character being deleted?

Cause some characters at least perform better when that can’t happen IE Point VS Point

[shrewd pike]

I leave my best character last

[worn arch]

Why I front Team SamSho with Darli despite her having dummy thicc DMG

[shrewd pike]

So that I can train others first

[worn arch]

Rule of Thumb for Beginners: Best character on anchor, the character you want to learn on Point

[shrewd pike]

And last gets more meter

[torpid grotto]

This is the best way to improve I would say never change unless you’re going competitive

[shrewd pike]

Nah not competetive

[torpid grotto]

Yeah then always best at anchor

[shrewd pike]

I'd like to win a few games at a local tournament though

[torpid grotto]

Focus of improvement point

[torpid grotto]

At that level you can either stick with your guns or switch to “optimal” places

However you’re better off sticking to your guns than switching if you’re not sure how to play your point at anchor ya know?

But at locals you shouldn’t have to switch for the most part

[worn arch]

You can change your team order between rounds if you want to try and counter pick a bit

[shrewd pike]

It's hilarious to me that in ranked after winning a game you get to switch your positions

[torpid grotto]

Another thing you can do is start learning your match ups and that takes years I’m not saying learn how to win just recognize hey Tony terry struggles against Kula or whatver but my mai doesn’t. So play mai vs Kula instead

[shrewd pike]

You can counter pick counter picks

[torpid grotto]

Or something like that

[worn arch]

Kula been doing the same shit for 20 years and she still jacks me up

Same with Iori

[shrewd pike]

I prefer rn to not switch so that I can learn how to deal with those matchups

[torpid grotto]

You seem to be on the right path Ku ku

[worn arch]

Obviously

After all @shrewd pike is here

[tall geode]

Yuri has a nice run up 2B > cl.5B > 3D string I’ve barely started labbing but yes I agree totally. Don’t know if you recall but I finally incorporated some empty jump low/run up low stuff with Shun and Liz because I see you do it (and it work lol). Appreciate the feedback!

[smoky parcel]

Yeah I noticed, it's cool as hell when you can unlock a new level for your own characters, its a good feeling

[torpid grotto]

@tall geode spoiler complete shit post ||use yuri butt attack more||

[tall geode]

Lol it’s such a troll move

[torpid grotto]

That’s why I love it

[tall geode]

Yup. And especially after a few blocked jump ins they usually get caught off guard. And if they’re on point just do a safe ender, again wouldn’t know that stuff without you dude

[torpid grotto]

@tall geode beat one of us with it and I’ll dub over it “get fucked” and put some cod meme music over it

[abstract swift]

I do know me some Terrence

[tall geode]

Lmaooooo

[torpid grotto]

You mean tewwence

[smoky parcel]

@livid knot Hey

https://tenor.com/view/shy-anime-embarassed-girl-gif-15974488

[livid knot]

[smoky parcel]

Explain to me how you have psychic powers in aerial combat?

[livid knot]

Rugal's j.C is a good air-to-air.

So is Leona's j.b

[smoky parcel]

Hmm.. It's like in this game there are times where the air to airs confuse me.

[livid knot]

find out your best air to airs for your team.

[smoky parcel]

Maybe I need to use vertical jump more often. I forget

[livid knot]

Like on dreamcancel

[worn arch]

Or jump backwards

[smoky parcel]

Nah

[torpid grotto]

Lights tend to beat heavies for the most part and height is king with certain exceptions

But there is exceptions

Like mai j cd wins always

Lol

[worn arch]

The angle matters

[smoky parcel]

Jumping backwards where is the benefit to that?

[worn arch]

A lot

Actually look at the button

[livid knot]

@smoky parcel How come you have the ability to manifest a prison out of thin air?

[worn arch]

Not being where your opponent wants you to be as opposed to jumping right into them and making their life easy

[torpid grotto]

Daru and bubs trading advice

But both refuse to give me or ask me

Imma go cry

[smoky parcel]

Bro you had the answer tho

Well somewhat

If only I knew how to block

[livid knot]

Bro if im in the corner and you're K', I'm in jail.

How come you don't have a K' pfp if I may ask?

[smoky parcel]

LOL No lie before I put this 1 I was like.. Kyo or K. I'm probably gonna change it anyways

[smoky parcel]

I've been trying to use my grounded overhead more often, that slow ass knee he throws out, and after that I can kinda do whatever.

[livid knot]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-fighters-xv-kofxv-rugal-kofxv-omega-rugal-kofxv-snk-gif-25366559

[smoky parcel]

The ein trigger the circular followup is kinda safe on block but you can't really punish unless you roll or maybe like 1f command grab.

The EX 1 is overhead too

[livid knot]

Bro I got hit with that every time. It doesn't even look like an overhead

[torpid grotto]

:islaclickbait:

[smoky parcel]

Yeah it's weird but its awkward as hell midscreen cause I can't really do anything with it

Other than the flying kick

[livid knot]

You utilized its purpose tho

[smoky parcel]

Yeah I just need to learn to properly antiair too.

Have to be very fast

[smoky parcel]

Have we reflected together? I believe it has happened

[torpid grotto]

Nah I said hey Daru what can I improve on

And you said

“Leaving me tf alone”

True story

[smoky parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/kamenraptor-gif-21353165

[torpid grotto]

Exactly lol

[smoky parcel]

Its ok. Next time we play I will write at least a sentence for you

[torpid grotto]

Pinky?

[smoky parcel]

You got it

[torpid grotto]

Darus sentence
“Get fucked”

Lol nah thanks broski

[smoky parcel]

This is so out of character Lol

[torpid grotto]

For me or you?

[smoky parcel]

For me

[torpid grotto]

Unless it’s towards bubs

[smoky parcel]

Yeah you right

[torpid grotto]

Or you got that black synbiote arc

https://tenor.com/view/black-suit-spiderman-marvel-church-venom-gif-21701970

[smoky parcel]

I miss this Spiderman cinematography

[torpid grotto]

Masterpiece

[lofty radish]

@dull bone here are some thoughts. In general, you want to be the one on offense and maintaining pressure. I really suggest commiting to learning the block strings and combo strings for your characters. Learn to do offensive pressure from your jump ins or hops. For pokes use lights more. Learn what buttons are your best air to air and which buttons are fastest for ground pokes. Bonus if they hit low. Be very careful in using heavy dp as that leads to big punish. Use light DPs more instead as they are a little safer or use normal buttons to anti air

For terry, use his standing CD more and know it’s range. It’s really good. Try to learn to crossup the opponent using the jump D. Build a wall with him by using crack shoot to people jumping in and using burning knuckle at a safe distance. Use light dp instead of heavy dp. He has some fat pokes, so learn those. Try to land close C whenever you can so you can convert it to his combo which does huge damage

For Mary, I know her the least but you need to take Advantage of her command grabs. Learn the block string where she does the hop command grab as ender instead of doing slicer which is unsafe. Learn to do her hop B which is a super good crossup. Use real counter more

For Andy, I really like that you have that climax ready off the dp. Can you do a super cancel instead of the climax? That way, you can followup the super with climax for bigger damage. It’s prolly harder since you have to do it frame 1 at the ground instead of the climax which you can do while the dp is in the air. Use Andy jump CD more. It’s super good.

[dull bone]

Yeah, I've been trying to find ways to work around that because honestly, I don't like how little damage it does for how many bars I'm putting in, even if it is basically raw due to really low scaling

[lofty radish]

It’s a good way to get damage in

[dull bone]

I'm trying to nail my andy bnbs, but I've just been relying on his neutral for so long, although I am learning some crossups

[lofty radish]

Do more shatter strikes as well and learn what’s the best followup for each of your characters

[lofty radish]

Crossups is a good way to open up opponents

You can do high low mixups as well like through empty hops/jumps or running in and doing lows instead of meaties after a hkd

You never use crackshoot with terry. Use it more

[dull bone]

I found that I can cross up, and combo into fireball, then cancel that into level 1 super

I'm still working on execution for it however

[lofty radish]

Against Clark (or any grappler really) neutral jump whenever they are close to you. Very high chance they are going for command grabs. Neutral jump and do your biggest jump in combo. Don’t mash

[lofty radish]

Nice yeah learning the combo after a crossup will be key as crossups are a good way to open up an opponent.

[dull bone]

I stopped using it as much bc yall would bait it out and drag me to hell with a whiff punish so I've been more reluctant😅

[wanton sierra]

Ángel ptsd

[lofty radish]

Use it against people jumping in where they are a bit high and far away

I think it can be a safe block string ender as well

[dull bone]

I'm trying to use crackshoot to catch people jumping over fireballs after I condition them just right

[lofty radish]

That works

[dull bone]

Bc a huge part of my gameplay is conditioning the opponent, then catching bad habits

[lofty radish]

Your DPs can be baited though. Watch out for that

[dull bone]

Unless they hyper hop over the fireballs in which case, if I had crackshoot buffered, rip terry

[vast vine]

Try to practice his kick super, the fireball one deals less damage, a good and easy combo for that super is 236AC 236C 214236B

And his most damaging BNB combo is 5C 6A 41236B xx BD 623 AC (or you could do normal DP and cancel with super)

[dull bone]

That's the one I've been trying to learn

[vast vine]

Try to start doing the super input mid way and do the hold button trick

[dull bone]

I've been landing it kinda consistently

Its been 50/50 with execution so far, I just need more practice

I also managed to land my Mary bm in a cpu match which was kinda hype

My poor cat heard me yell "YEEEAAAAHHHH" when i landed it

[vast vine]

Btw there is a buffer trick to cancel DP into kick super, which without it timing is super hard

So the trick is to do more inputs at the DP part to just do less in the super part

641236 A/C 236 B

[dull bone]

I actually practiced that earlier today so I could beat Mary's 5th trial. In practice, it's way easier than I thought

[vast vine]

Sweet, there you go then, go be an Andy main like no other

Oh and just a fyi you might know it but Andy can launch his climax mid air

[dull bone]

I've been doing that for 3 days now matter of fact😂

Caught oli with it like 3 times today

Its a good finisher, not good to spend wherever

A flashy finisher if anything bc, unless the opponent is almost dead, it's not gonna kill, and then you just wasted 3 bars💀💀

So I'm still working on my smaller combos to make up for it

[vast vine]

It's really hard to react to if well used, since it has 2f startup nobody can react that fast

[dull bone]

3 frame startup on ground, 1 frame startup in the air, and people can just hold block when the animation plays so doing it raw is the worst thing to do. But I'd someone jumps or whiffs a dp, then it's a fantastic whiff punish, although a combo into it would be better so im trying to work on those a lot more

[vast vine]

You're right, I believe kick super can cancel into climax

[dull bone]

Both supers can cancel into climax

[vast vine]

Oh then both it is then

[dull bone]

Punch super can advance cancel into kick super, but kick super cannot advance cancel into punch super to my knowledge

[dull bone]

Kick super however is more optimal since it's easier to cancel into as well as dealing slightly more damage

[torpid grotto]

@abstract swift any advice

[abstract swift]

Don't rely on the slicer(?) Too much on neutral cuz I got free punishes off it n your neutral is whack with Mai still. That angel jump into jC isn't too bad because it compensates her shyte footsie but apparently she got buffed so this might not even apply anymore

And chill on the wake up roll man

I got you way too many times on it

[torpid grotto]

Yeah did you notice it toned down at the end of the set

I tried listening

[abstract swift]

Fight it out, be patient especially in the corner. I'm guilty of it too but you'll get nipped real quick against someone who knows their shit

[torpid grotto]

Idk how to throw imma be honest

So many times I’ve tried throwing just to eat a throw

[abstract swift]

Virtually point blank, forward or backwards + a heavy button lol

Practice it in lab. Throws are kinda weird, like a late jump attack (me), you reset neutral with a throw because I hit too high but you can't use a light button cuz that'll lose

But throws are really good (afaik unless they nerfed it)

Use them with Mai too since her only mix is that free cross up of hers

[torpid grotto]

Yeah I agree

Thanks mac

Imma lab way more

Hopefully next match you’re only disappointed for loosing not how I’m playing

[abstract swift]

I'm not playing to win I'm playing for the Mai MU Looks like she might be a little more tolerable but we'll see.

Idc if I win or lose, only that you play different than your smooth brain allows you

[torpid grotto]

Hey my mom said it was smooth so the thoughts travel faster!

Like a slip and slide

[fickle plaza]

@abstract swift you gotta do them 2B 2As light comfirm

And go for trip guards more with 2B

You never use 2B

[abstract swift]

With whomst

[dim shadow]

Trip Guards won't exist anymore

[abstract swift]

Idek what a trip guard is tbh LOL

[fickle plaza]

Oh yeah

[dim shadow]

They nerfing it HARD

[abstract swift]

With WHOMST 🥹🥺

[fickle plaza]

Your team in general you do 2a a lot more you do use 2B with rock thoug

Use 2b Moore

[torpid grotto]

I think trip guard is when you sweep on their landing frames

[abstract swift]

If it's 2b, 2a 3C(?) With Terry it's a liiiiittle inconsistent but I seen Daru do 2b, cl.5b 3c which looks a little easier

I'm more so concerned for the cmd normal whiff cuz you have to be so damn close with Terry

But I can try for it

Also dreamcancel lied that I can super cancel after 5b, I definitely can't.

[abstract swift]

Goose has a nice 2b confirm into 214a rekka which is noice

[dim shadow]

TG is where you punish your OPP's landing frames when jumping with a 2b

They are getting rid of this so forget it

It's not worth knowing until Sf6

[fickle plaza]

Oh ok

[dim shadow]

Yeah they taking it OUT

Haha

Now y'all gotta play Sf lmao

[fickle plaza]

In all honesty who really trip guarded? Definitely not me

That’s for losers

[vast vine]

@lofty radish if you could provide feedback on only two things, ryo performance and low confirms I would appreciate it

[lofty radish]

Your Ryo is really scary! I know you dropped a bit of his combos, especially early, but the fact that you can do his full combo makes me fear him at anchor and play overly cautious, which I shouldn’t. I do think you over-rely on his parry, and perhaps you need to be more aggressive with him and look to always maintain pressure via hops or jump-ins

Not sure what you mean by low confirms? I don’t recall you doing much or any 2B 2B or 2B 2A to punish

[vast vine]

That's what I meant haha, like if you see me doing them cause my focus was to land more but I'm still having trouble approaching to do them

I would often roll to be in distance and start 2b2b

But with your Robert for example, I would just get myself into your 2B range and get comboed

[vast vine]

I agree I tend to rely too much on parry and when I DO get a parry I don't take advantage of it, I will then try a different strategy thanks for this

[lofty radish]

Rolling gets caught by 2Bs. Be careful of that

[vast vine]

How would you advice that I should do the 2Bs?

Jump in?

[lofty radish]

Empty jumps/hops or catch other people rolling or just people approaching in general

[vast vine]

Got it

[lofty radish]

Or even after HKDs

[vast vine]

Thanks, I'll improve on it

Hopefully we can play again soon

[lofty radish]

I know you will. Your gameplay is really strong already and doesn’t rely on gimmicks

[dim shadow]

I did 💀 that was my main thing when y'all jumped

[torpid grotto]

Me lol but with sweep that might still be a thing

[dim shadow]

We're talking about combo trip guarding 💀

Sweep was eh

[torpid grotto]

That’s too advance

Sweep OP

[dim shadow]

2B was way more serious

[torpid grotto]

Ángel Sweep

But sweep did more emotional damage

[dim shadow]

E

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-damage-emotional-damage-meme-funny-gif-24332819

[lofty radish]

No more trip guarding means I can do Clark early jump D into command grab on landing.

They did nerf Clark jump D though

[vast vine]

They reduced the hitbox right?

[dim shadow]

You were just always doing something in the air lmao

That definitely works if the Clark knows how to approach the air

[lofty radish]

I used to do it more before people started trip guarding me

[lofty radish]

Yeah we’ll see how much it got reduced. Hopefully it’s still a good anti air

Also the Clark buff saying armor in armor grab is frame 1 is weird to me. I always thought the armor was frame 1. Dreamcancel even says so

Depends on the new frame data but I think Clark got a major nerf. Same with Shermie

[vast vine]

Yeah I always thought that it was frame 1 as well

@lofty radish just checked, body armor starts at frame 5

Well DC says it the notes that starts at 5 but then below they say it starts at 1

So idk

[lofty radish]

Yeah it’s super weird. I played him like the armor is frame 1 but maybe it isn’t??

[vast vine]

I use it to catch jump ins as well always thinking the same

[dim shadow]

Frame 4

Armour command grabs are F4

[fickle plaza]

So if we can’t trip guard tf we suppose to do then?

[lofty radish]

Dp

[torpid grotto]

Die

[knotty oriole]

Anti air… clipping them before they try to mix up

[dim shadow]

The most basic form anti airing known to man xD

[wanton sierra]

@dim shadow @smoky parcel @lofty radish if you please can go into specifics. I'm already trying to light confirm and hop. And Oli I remember you saying abt being more patient and incorporating shatter strike. Is there anything else I need to turn my eye to as well or just on that for now?

Whoever else saw my stream is welcome to add constructive add-ons as well

[dim shadow]

You did pretty well with how you move and incorporate pressure especially with Beni and Sherm. Your King was the Star though. You did everything right imo just focus on neutral and getting your opponent off of you. You struggle in that area still

[wanton sierra]

Ok, I know about GCing and reading, is there anything else to tack on to my thinkmeat when wanting to escape?

[smoky parcel]

Just keep on with this. We believe in you, don't ever feel like we don't want to help you

[wanton sierra]

That's not what I felt recently but I shall nevertheless keep that in mind

Thanks

[dim shadow]

One thing to note is that it's hard as fuck to give advice twice in a row if ww play again today we're bound to say the same thing as we did yesterday because it's literally been under 24 hours or something of the sort. You're going to get a lot of repetitive feedback if you ask 3 times in a row for 2 days

Gotta let shit sink in and muster

[wanton sierra]

Cool

And noted

[fickle plaza]

@smoky parcel hit me with it

[torpid grotto]

@smoky parcel @fickle plaza hit me baby one more time

I want advice too

[smoky parcel]

@fickle plaza @torpid grotto hit me I want advice too

Bro gimmie a sec. I realized I tagged myself LOL

[fickle plaza]

For BM try not to do heavy slicer soo much and also real counter as well I wasn’t that successful in punishing it because it was my first time fighting against it but I’m more prepared for it now

Also stop fucking around

I get it mai has big ass ||buttons||

That you abuse

At the same time you get disappointed with others when they troll so why not yourself???? Idc if your house on fire midset brother you’re going to finish it to the best of your ability 💀💀💀💀

Also hopping too like I said with Luong same goes with blue Mary you need to hop

[fickle plaza]

Daru honestly bro just block same goes with me tooo other than that you’re solid💀

[smoky parcel]

Nah you were doing hella good. Just got to minimize the jump ins where you have them cornered. Punish the rolls. Isla they will roll away maybe.

I need to work with this myself

The Yuri I was liking what I saw. She's very fast

[fickle plaza]

I can’t wait for Tuesday so yuri can and isla can stop whiffing 😪

[smoky parcel]

Yeah idk what they doing for Isla or Yuri have to go back and check

[fickle plaza]

Yuri getting new routes and Isla actually getting grounded mix as she does have a slide command normal that’s a mod but is now a low but the most important thing is that they will no longer whiff because of the pushback of their attacks

@smoky parcel Oliver broke it all down at #1021188052032421959

[torpid grotto]

Daru tagging the best player he knows

[smoky parcel]

Yeah I was just looking. Nice one from him indeed.

[torpid grotto]

Yeah so I realized heavy slicer is Shermie run

Great whiff punish tool

Should not be your go to neutral

[torpid grotto]

Yeah you actively decide not to block lol also you jump characters way too much to be consistent. Maybe instead of random play like 12 lol I know you like random though so if it’s fun it’s fun

[smoky parcel]

I think I got 12. Good idea.

4 teams.

[torpid grotto]

Your progress with sky rocket

I think you just have really really good fundies that carry you

So you can go random select in a system based game like kof and do really good

But you familiarize yourself more concentrated form the 46 kof characters or whatever there is to 12 you’ll be balling

Also good habit for other fgs that aren’t so system based like sf that’s a little more character specific

[fickle plaza]

Kinda

It doesn’t go under certain fire balls

[torpid grotto]

In a sense that it can punish whiff not the greatest raw

[fickle plaza]

Shermie goes over everything

And is kinda weird to punish

[fickle plaza]

You can get punished on hit if you don’t do the follow up it’s pretty funny

@torpid grotto hit me with it

[torpid grotto]

I will still say your yuri still jumps in too much, I completely understand she’s more Ariel than the rest of the cast and it’s kof so jumping is the name of the game however if you weren’t charging a fireball you jumped every interaction

Good fucking job on the combos

Feels like you’ve been labbing keep it up

Shermie looks really new is she your main now?

And BM is solid you just struggle on confirms and I get why

[tall geode]

What’s Yuri whiffing rn?

[torpid grotto]

Also yuri has a run grab try mixing it in sometimes May also work as a whiff punish when she’s too stubby otherwise

[fickle plaza]

Yeah I think imma just warmup with BM before I get on to take fights

[fickle plaza]

Todo

[torpid grotto]

Yup agree she has harder confirms than some of the cast and she needs her hops but that’s a general tip

Yea I would say if you only want to do a quick warm up just click BM and hop around landing her confirms and then repeat that for your team maybe Shermie or Mai don’t need it because they’re more basic but atleast 3-5 minutes with BM and Yuri warm up doesn’t have to be crazy

[tall geode]

Are you doing 3D before specials?

[fickle plaza]

Yeah I just be forgetting to charge as soon as I hit 3D im like slightly off

[torpid grotto]

Leona and Chun paid off lol charging with BM is the least of my issues thankfully

And Vanessa is the same

So I’m glad I had some experience with it but it is tricky and when you’re not warmed up easy to drop

[fickle plaza]

Yessir that’s what I wanted to do when I got on but y’all said we made a ft2 room and I was like aight full send

[tall geode]

Oh and Twip have you the heard the good news about our lord and savior cl.B?

[fickle plaza]

No wut

But all things considered I did hit BM combos I would otherwise drop before the only note worthy one was where I missed the charge oh wait the combos where I kept getting dumbass dp

[tall geode]

Yuri cl.B is +3 on block. Midscreen you can do cl.B > 2A > 3D >whatever (EX Saiha lol) it’s a frame trap that beats 4 frame normals. In the corner just press cl.B > 5C same thing

[fickle plaza]

Ouuu bet

[fickle plaza]

Definitely not

[wanton sierra]

Aside from Air Venom Strike, @smoky parcel @dim shadow how was I looking?

Not advice per say I just wanna see how I was playing

[smoky parcel]

Better as we went on. Air defense tightened up as we kept playing, but ofc the opponent will jump when your blockstring is 2B then sweep everytime.

Your main followup of choice I mean would often end in sweep

[wanton sierra]

I see

[smoky parcel]

All in all we got to play again whenever I'll try not to hop around characters

[wanton sierra]

No please do

Gotta stamp out this habit

If I gotta die 100 times for it so be it

[smoky parcel]

But the zoning was OD

I'll admit

[wanton sierra]

Thanks, I hate zoning

I still genuinely hate it frfr

[smoky parcel]

Have to watch yourself with O Sherm tho the orb placements would get predictable at times, she stands in place like K does

I like zoning sometimes

Psycho ball

[wanton sierra]

Gross

Anything else?

Or that's all?

[smoky parcel]

Lets play again but just go off next time

[wanton sierra]

?

I mean I kinda was now tbh

[smoky parcel]

Thats good

Do that

[wanton sierra]

But I still want to be diligently practicing my light confirms in a match

[smoky parcel]

Imma play Maxima fr

watch

[wanton sierra]

Gross

[smoky parcel]

Damn all my characters gross

Sad

[wanton sierra]

His sweep abt get armor too

Extra gross

[smoky parcel]

O shite

[wanton sierra]

Ye

[smoky parcel]

We eating fr

[wanton sierra]

He gonna be a menace

Still

[smoky parcel]

K team bout to be stupid asf

[wanton sierra]

Catch these Venom Strikes

[smoky parcel]

Max gon sweep the venom strike its about to be amazing

[wanton sierra]

Aight

But whatchu gonna do abt the 2nd one right behind

Ex fireballl

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-shaking-groovy-good-vibes-energized-gif-14234997

[smoky parcel]

baja blast word to my guy rait

We shooting beams

[wanton sierra]

I think I blocked every beam you shot

Safe jumps frfr

[smoky parcel]

My timing for raw super aint it

Cause I dont do that shit

[wanton sierra]

Sadge

Unlike some ppl

[smoky parcel]

🤔

[wanton sierra]

A certain uh....

Mai

That I know is reading the chat

Punkass

[smoky parcel]

Interesting.

[torpid grotto]

I heard mai?

Raw climax?

Get fucked lol

[wanton sierra]

stfu, lurker

[torpid grotto]

[wanton sierra]

Can't wait for the day Mai gets nerfed

I'll River dance on your grave

[torpid grotto]

Nothing about your experience will change lol

[wanton sierra]

You wanna bet?

[torpid grotto]

You lost to 2a 2a 214a that’s not changing

J.cd is the least of your worries

Sure cien

What are we beating

What’s the terms and services lol

[wanton sierra]

Life

[torpid grotto]

Lol

A little too dramatic for my taste

Ok cien, how about post nerf mai

You beat her in a ft3 against me

I’ll change my pfp to Shermie and I’ll say she’s a bitch Shermie is better

[smoky parcel]

@torpid grotto talking that shit fr

damn

I needa watch this battle

[torpid grotto]

But it has to be within a week can’t be like a lifetime goal lol

[smoky parcel]

DAMN

Yo chill

[wanton sierra]

Post Mai nerf?

I'll take that bet

[torpid grotto]

Ok now my terms

If you go 10-3 or worse

You do the same but call Shermie a bitch and angel pfp for a week

[wanton sierra]

Deal

[torpid grotto]

🤝

@smoky parcel rn

[wanton sierra]

We defining nerf too?

[smoky parcel]

Shermie got buffed

[wanton sierra]

Cuz shermie technically got buffed and nerfed

2C nerf is gonna hit hard

Just objectively

Not to mention she's getting Billy Kane'd on her J.CD

What's Mai getting this patch?

I forgor

[smoky parcel]

Shes gitting bigger ||hurtboxes||

[wanton sierra]

That's all?

[smoky parcel]

Nah some other shit

Oli put all the small notes in tech

[torpid grotto]

Her j.cd has like 8f startup to like 12

[wanton sierra]

So this patch is a definite nerf?

Just making sure

Overall

[torpid grotto]

5D is nerfed

Harder to cancel into super with fire butt

[wanton sierra]

214a?

[torpid grotto]

A slight nerf none the less but still a nerf yes

[torpid grotto]

Yes it’s one hit now in combo instead of 2

[wanton sierra]

You want to count this patch as the start of the bet or no?

[torpid grotto]

Which changes timing for supers

[wanton sierra]

Or wait till next nerf?

[torpid grotto]

Yeah I’m down if you’re down for it

I’m game

[smoky parcel]

She didnt really get hurt tho

Im looking rn

[wanton sierra]

Ok, then I'll pass until something harder hits if it ever comes to pass

[smoky parcel]

Lol tryna backtrack

I wanna see this

[wanton sierra]

Nono

I am a man of my word

But if this aren't really a nerf then I'm not gonna take it

You said it yourself Daru

Oh riiiight

Daru wasn't here for my last bet

[torpid grotto]

It’s a nerf, none the less she’s still good. However she’s not americas bigger loser this patch

[smoky parcel]

I cant wait to play post-nerf Kula!

[torpid grotto]

However if you want to wait sure just that that next nerf might never come lol sf6 is 6 months away

[torpid grotto]

Same!

I love this outfit so much more

[smoky parcel]

Classic

I'd like a Blue Mary alt too

Without that big ass belt

[torpid grotto]

I have it!

[scarlet delta]

The belt is drip

[torpid grotto]

Daru you gotta come through and we’ll play on my pc

Well download shirtless k’ 😉

[smoky parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-hit-bonk-slap-gif-24662766

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/harder-dog-puppets-gif-5223819

[dim shadow]

@abstract swift Mac my son how did I do 🥺

[abstract swift]

Good! Really good. Dino 2a and slow Cher made the big comeback until you switched it up to try n match me hahah. You're really good at switching the tempo once you get a couple SKDs on me to cash out on the offense

[dim shadow]

I gotta knock the rust out every now and then 💀 my strong suits have always been okizeme and spacing, I really wanna play more aggressively which is why I was jumping so much and you kept sniping me. I like playing super fast and aggressive but I've always been a turtle

[abstract swift]

KOF it's hard for me to DP react on jumps LOL it's too quick 😭 So you woulda chewed threw if I had Joe instead of Geese

[fickle plaza]

Hit me with it @smoky parcel

[smoky parcel]

Bro your bm fire

[dim shadow]

@fickle plaza you gonna be in tonight hun? Wanna do a evaluation set 🙂

[dim shadow]

I feel that! You do good with just buttons

[fickle plaza]

Im down

[wanton sierra]

@dim shadow how'd I do btw?

I managed to get two full light hit confirms which I'm pretty happy abt

Just need to convert them eventually

[wanton sierra]

Fair

Thanks for your assessment

Him?

[torpid grotto]

@smoky parcel @wanton sierra nah this patch is a certain mai nerf if you still care lol

J.CD is nerfed
She lost her main combo route and reset potential
Close Heavy Kick is not 7 Frames instead of 5 but it does reach a bit further
3D is now super cancelable after second hit

So

Nerf
Big nerf
Nerf/Neutral
Irrelevant Buff

You would never do 2c 3d or cl.d 3d super lol you would go into 214c for more damage and makes the timing on super cancels way easier

I know last time we talked I said it doesn’t seem like a significant nerf it certainly is. Don’t get me wrong she’s still great and I’m not sure if this will drop her to a b tier but for all intents and purposes she got whacked by the nerf mallet

[smoky parcel]

What's the problem here other than Jcd

[torpid grotto]

214 no longer connects multiple times in combo, nerfing her damage, routes and reset capability

[smoky parcel]

Oh the corner one? They took that?

[torpid grotto]

So before she could 2c 3d 214ac (2)9ac214ac (214c no longer connects)

So you have to go for 236d ender which has less damage and you cannot connect a cl.c for reset

[smoky parcel]

This midscreen though?

[torpid grotto]

Yeah

[smoky parcel]

Why not do the EX charge anyways

Oh thats it

[torpid grotto]

But now the corner is hit even moreee e because then again you lose 2 added 214s lol

[smoky parcel]

Why they take that

[torpid grotto]

In corner I could be wrong but she could 214ac 214c (2)9ac214ac 214c cl.c

[smoky parcel]

Thats the one

[torpid grotto]

Now if you try doing a second 214 it’ll drop

[smoky parcel]

No no no

[torpid grotto]

Because snk hates me

[smoky parcel]

Thats a Mai L

At least Andy took a W

So she'll be taken care of

[torpid grotto]

He has to win for both of them lol

Yeah I didn’t understand the patch notes tbh

[smoky parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/andy-mai-mai-shiranui-bebe-kof-gif-16666125

[torpid grotto]

I thought when they said doesn’t hit twice in combo they mean they removed one of the hits lol

[smoky parcel]

BRO WAS FLABBERGASTED

I never seen that shit

His whole life shattered in front of him

[torpid grotto]

Because 214 hits on spin and on fire, so the timing was harder now lol nope they got ride of it

[torpid grotto]

18 years… this bitch trapped him for 18 years

That’s at least 3 kofs

Dude got frame trapped irl

[smoky parcel]

Unfortunate.

Mai got nerfed so Andy could shine

[torpid grotto]

I hope Andy players are happy

I had my fun with mai

[smoky parcel]

Just play Angel

[torpid grotto]

Now imma retire from winning a2a, not from trying them just from winning them

[smoky parcel]

Angel cooler than Mai anyways

[torpid grotto]

3 angels

Mai players punching air rn realizing that their opponents are gonna get turns

[smoky parcel]

Good

[torpid grotto]

Why snk

She was perfectly balanced!

[abstract swift]

All of which you've never done to my understanding @torpid grotto L take

[torpid grotto]

@abstract swift

[torpid grotto]

Wym lol, 2c 3d 214ac (2)9ac214ac 214c is the only combo I know

[abstract swift]

jk idk. All I know is that I lost interactions n that was the most annoying part but I've never felt blitzed by you to a point where idk if I can/how to get out

[torpid grotto]

Literally the only thing I do besides j.cd

[abstract swift]

then you find other routes lol

Mai of all people has a fucking route for everything

[torpid grotto]

That requires work

L take

[abstract swift]

god forbid you have to do work

free neutral + L take + Lowl

[torpid grotto]

God really punishing me for my war crimes

Time to pick up iori shun and Betty

Maybe a Beni for good measures

[abstract swift]

yknow who's REALLY slow now

Rocky bro

they made them whiffs slow af man

[torpid grotto]

Rocky more like Slyvester StLoan me some neutral plz

[abstract swift]

I'll pick up Mai n whack you

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-by-that-druski-gif-20560325

Rocky still has a dope ass jacket though

So is he really losing?

[abstract swift]

I need the zip up OS

[torpid grotto]

And his shirt is animated better than the rest of cast lol

Not even kims pants are gonna get that love

@wanton sierra especially if you consider Shermie nerfed, mai got hit harder

[smoky parcel]

Shermie is still eating

[torpid grotto]

That being said I still think both are in good positions

[torpid grotto]

Overall button nerf, better neutral

[smoky parcel]

I played Shermie earlier she can followup of now

On 214

[torpid grotto]

Yup

Which means if you don’t super before she would fling you across screen

And reset neutral as a grappler

Now she’s right there

[smoky parcel]

She still eating just punished the players that would exploit her air grab whiffs

[torpid grotto]

Aslo her anti air grab has no recovery on hit

So more oki

[smoky parcel]

That 2C still 2C'ing just makes sense now

Acting like all her other buttons aint OD.

He jump buttons still ridiculous

All of them

[torpid grotto]

Cd now can be hit out of it but eh

[smoky parcel]

Who

[torpid grotto]

Shermie

[torpid grotto]

They expanded her hurtbox before it’s active

[smoky parcel]

That's nice and all, but depends on matchup

Chizuru stand CD I cant abuse anymore

[torpid grotto]

That’s an L

Chiz shoudl be gotten buffed

[smoky parcel]

Tbh she's still her though. I need to work on some stuff with her. Feels like a chore to use her when i'm still learning

[torpid grotto]

Just give everyone up

Stick with maxima

[smoky parcel]

ok

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-ok-meme-gif-21668690

[tall geode]

@smoky parcel @fickle plaza if either of you got anything for me I’ll try to work on it

[fickle plaza]

I think you should run Elisabeth anchor and shunei mid shes your best character. My reasoning as to why is because you play less scrambly and mashy with her than shunei and yuri. No cap it looks like you’re stressing when you play shunei or yuri and I’m just like bro relax😭😂

[tall geode]

I don’t think Liz is my best but I’ve been trying that order here and there. Honestly I think no matter who’s on anchor I have that issue of it being high stakes for some reason

Also I had this whole plan in my head before our set like, “Ok cool I’m gonna start adding run up low into my gameplan” and every time I did I got 2C’d to the face lol so was like alright let’s slug it out

My hit confirms with Yuri still suck, I hit the corner combo once tho so felt good about that

[smoky parcel]

I partially agree here, but Shun I think is your best

[tall geode]

He’s definitely the one I’ve played the most and worked the hardest on

Barely touched him yesterday tho was all Yuri and Liz stuff

[smoky parcel]

Hmm.. I still feel like you hard read too much

[fickle plaza]

Yeah I was there! I was the victim

[smoky parcel]

Maybe that’s what it was.

Because if I know you viciously want to stop me from jumping, then it’s fine, I’ll give you a ground battle, but you have to answer to this as well

Not sure if I worded this properly

Sometimes it will just happen and you will have to deal with it

It makes better practice

I believe

[tall geode]

What’s a hard read in this context

[smoky parcel]

Will the opponent run to x position or jump here

Obviously we all do it

But it’s like

Playing in your head

[torpid grotto]

You sit back and wait for your opponent to jump at you because you’ve determined you want to stop jump ins

[smoky parcel]

Rather than what’s in front of you

[torpid grotto]

Immediately puts yourself in a defense position

[smoky parcel]

Ok maybe this it is

[torpid grotto]

If I’m reading Daru right

[smoky parcel]

It’s not necessarily dynamic

[tall geode]

Uhh anti airing is different from a read or guess tho

Like everyone should AA

[smoky parcel]

Not anti airing specifically

[torpid grotto]

Yes but you shift modes like a yugioh card

[fickle plaza]

@tall geode hit me with it!

[torpid grotto]

When you specifically try to get in you’re not dynamic

You will continue hopping

[smoky parcel]

No

Not necessarily

[torpid grotto]

When you’re waiting for an aa you sit back waiting

[smoky parcel]

Hmm..

We should just play again

Idk

I know how to play against you

That’s kinda what it is

Just don’t know how to speak it

I know how I should play when I play against certain people here

Or what I can get away with