SNK Post-Match Discussion

[livid knot]

I get it

[torpid grotto]

You jump a lot

A good player will aa tf out of you

[livid knot]

Yeah because I knew you weren't gonna anti air

[torpid grotto]

Your throw defense could use some work

Try using chun f hk to jump lows

[livid knot]

It doesn't

[torpid grotto]

Sometimes when given a dp like with cammy you get trigger happy like crazy

Same with Rugal

[torpid grotto]

Does it not? I could swear it does go over sweeps and stuff

[livid knot]

Nope. People like Guile get to

[torpid grotto]

It can stop throws as well though

And combos on counter hit

I feel like you utilized her heavy punches well though

[livid knot]

Yeah but that's if they wake up throw.

[torpid grotto]

I think b hp you could use more on corner pressure

But I think you simply didn’t because I didn’t have the defense for you to need it lol

[livid knot]

Its situational

[torpid grotto]

Agreed

But yeah

[livid knot]

Thats exactly what I did. *crush counter

[torpid grotto]

Main take away is be careful for throws and across all fgs you’re too anxious with dps

When given a dp you play like you’re paranoid lol

I jump too much and suck at baiting

But with better players that’s gonna get you fucked up

Instead I wait for you to be halfway down to whiff my own dp

[livid knot]

Cammy isn't a character I play like that

[torpid grotto]

Rugal is though

Kro as well

[livid knot]

Chun and Bison i take in ranked

[livid knot]

Fine

[torpid grotto]

Your dps are on the rougher side

[livid knot]

You're analyzing my Cammy and rusty chun

The joke I tell people is I'm a bronze cammy

[fickle plaza]

Bet appreciate it I realized I had to start using a lot more staggering lows against meiten well also in general

[lofty radish]

Interesting that bubbles is a waifu player in sf

[livid knot]

[lofty radish]

Meiten has bad slow buttons. He doesn’t have any 4 frame normals

And his air to air buttons are kinda terrible

[lofty radish]

Ah nice. Dictator is nice.

[livid knot]

Howl saw a Silver chun, not a daimond chun

Last night

It was embarrassing even tho I won

It was ONE combo

[lofty radish]

You’re just rusty. I’m excited to see you beat everyone’s ass here in sf6

You were already dominating during the beta

[livid knot]

Me:

[torpid grotto]

Ok @livid knot first off all fucker

You asked lol

Second of all

I didn’t say anything about your cammy

Besides you’re schizophrenic with a dp which you are with Rugal and Kro as well only reason I said something

[torpid grotto]

He always has been

Bubs asks for advice
receives advice

https://tenor.com/view/sakurai-excited-happy-this-isnt-how-you-supposed-to-play-the-game-play-the-game-gif-15161132

@lofty radish I meannnnn

Have you seen this dudes sf comic collection

Dude ordered swimsuit cammy smh

[livid knot]

I know

Let me cope!

[torpid grotto]

No that’s not what best friends do!

[livid knot]

I agreed tho

[torpid grotto]

🤝

[livid knot]

Lemme play around but also cope at the same time

[torpid grotto]

No I can’t let you

You’re gonna be coping too much on sf6

I gotta keep you sane till then

[livid knot]

Thats different tho I can't be rusty on a new game!

@torpid grotto I jokingly asked for advice, when I got it I :coped:

[torpid grotto]

Lol I know you were trolling

[livid knot]

Because it's true

[torpid grotto]

But I always give advice

It’s my ninja way

[torpid grotto]

You’ll find a way

cr.lp st.mp cr.mk msbk

[livid knot]

I take it back SOME of it was true about SF

The B.HP and the jumping stuff. Like, I wouldn't be Daimond if I jumped all the time in SF

Especially with Chuns wack jump arc

[torpid grotto]

I know

And I understand that that wasn’t peak chun

However if I ask for advice after shaking off rust and you say hey you jump too much with angel id be like yeah I noticed that too gotta make sure I don’t keep it up

But I know you’re half trolling

Yeah basically guard defense, work a little more on aaing, and overall you’re solid

Punish timing that’s pure rust

Bnbs are rust

Your spacing is really good

Oooh you know what you really need to look out for @livid knot I was telling @lofty radish the same thing

Real advice no bs no bs

Juri F MK is gonna be a big issue for you

Especially on the chun match up

Also don’t be scared to let a mf kikoken rip and follow it up like a mai fan

You use her fireball as a poke or spacing tool way more than a pressure tool

Let that sucker rip dash low poke, fireball jump in, dash dash grab, dash bait a button or a dp don’t be predictable

[fickle plaza]

This is snk

Y’all shut up

[torpid grotto]

Shut up

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-reality-reality-can-be-whatever-i-want-infinity-gantlet-avengers-end-game-gif-13852128

[fickle plaza]

Lmao💀💀💀

[torpid grotto]

[livid knot]

@torpid grotto I digested your kof feedback btw

[torpid grotto]

Why

Oh digested?

[livid knot]

[torpid grotto]

I thought you said detested

Mb

[livid knot]

[torpid grotto]

Are you gonna learn cammy in sf too?

Sf6 i mean

[knotty oriole]

#1051573097184108585

[fickle plaza]

SPIRAL ARROW

[torpid grotto]

You a cammy fan

[fickle plaza]

Naw man r Mika

Her ass better

And her ass

[torpid grotto]

She’s not on 6

[fickle plaza]

Can you STOP

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/hayase-nagatoro-nagatoro-glare-nagatoro-stare-nagatoro-anime-stare-gif-21777993

When rmika not confirmed

[fickle plaza]

I really want her on sf6

Al the r Mika mains swapping too manon

[torpid grotto]

As they should

[vast vine]

@scarlet delta thanks for the matches dude, I had a blast

[scarlet delta]

No problem broski anytime

Was mad fun too

My face when I hit the Mature confirm 🤡

[vast vine]

That mature is something

[scarlet delta]

If she drops in XV….

[dull bone]

@dim shadow I know I'm a bit late, but how was my andy when we fought? Any advice on neutral I need to work on?

[vast vine]

That could be the case

[scarlet delta]

If she drops…

Hide

😳

gotta work on my Kim harder

It’s weird that Heavy Flash Kick won’t pickup to do the juggle thing if it isn’t like a specific combo

or I guess if ur already aerial

[vast vine]

If already aerial it won't connect the 2D

I need to work on my (2)8 D cancel into super

[scarlet delta]

That cancel is like impossible to me

You can do it w/ leona into same motion super, haven’t been able to do it ever

[vast vine]

I can do it 100% in practice

[scarlet delta]

I’ll figure something else out when he drops haha I always do

[vast vine]

Doesn't look like it based on the Leona comment

😤

[scarlet delta]

My Leona is nice take that back!

[vast vine]

🇳

🇴

[scarlet delta]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

[wanton sierra]

@carmine axle we can talk here too

[carmine axle]

Sounds good

[wanton sierra]

I'll try answering any shermie questions you got

Apparently I'm the one for that

[carmine axle]

Which super should I should use more with Shermie?

[wanton sierra]

Wholly depends on the combo

But ig 236236K

You get nice oki

[carmine axle]

That’s what I was thinking

[wanton sierra]

Omg I just saw your PFP

angeeeeeel

[carmine axle]

The best boy

[wanton sierra]

No

Beam exists

[carmine axle]

He smells tho

[wanton sierra]

And?

Best boy is best boi

Best Boy Beam

[carmine axle]

Maybe

[wanton sierra]

Any other Shermie Qs

[carmine axle]

Does level 3ing give shermie much idk how much they provide in this game

[wanton sierra]

??

Oh Climax

I mean if you have the meter better to go with a Lvl1 K super into Lv2 P super

[carmine axle]

True

[wanton sierra]

It's more damage

[carmine axle]

Didn’t know that

[wanton sierra]

Climax is seldom used outside of QMing and clutching out a kill

For Shermie

Like, it's actually stupid how much damage you get out of LVL2 P super

[carmine axle]

Yeah I know some of her combos I just struggle getting the hit

[wanton sierra]

Try forgetting combos for now

Rnrn I want you to focus on movement and get in opportunities to get the cmd grab

It's gonna pay off later when you get good at blending

[carmine axle]

What should evasion be used for im very curious it feels very situational or I’m bad

[wanton sierra]

Real Answer: Hopping

Other answers, try rolling more

I hardly see you use it

But don't be frequent with it

It's got hella lag

[carmine axle]

Yeah, I really struggle against projectiles always have but especially hard with Shermie for me

[wanton sierra]

Also when being pressured you can burn meter to reset neutral iwith GC CD

[wanton sierra]

Luckily for you, Shermie is an anti zoner grappler

Once you get comfy with her tools zoning will be a cinch

Her 214K for example is frame 1 projectile invul

And you can hop/jump J.C to give yourself more of a window

[carmine axle]

Yeah, I was using it bad kept getting hit right after

[wanton sierra]

Using bad? More like you got conditioned

I saw this especially with Dyl bit dw abt it for now

That whole mind game stuff will come with time from just learning how to play against them

[carmine axle]

I got very frustrated that I kept getting hit by dps I forgot every time-

[wanton sierra]

Ain't that the truth

All of shermie's moves are hella commitments so you gotta learn when you can afford to do them

[dull bone]

Ya gotta mix things up, my main thing is that I catch people with bad habits, like if I notice you try to rush in on wake up, I'm gonna wake up dp.

[carmine axle]

I know, I was getting kinda frustrated how bad I was doing today and rushed things

[wanton sierra]

No worries

Trust me, you not alone in that

[dull bone]

Nah, you did pretty good for how long you said you were playing

[wanton sierra]

Here, check out my guide in #1021448500518584341, look up Shermie Guide it should pop up.

[carmine axle]

I can notice a pattern in someone but it takes a while for me to find the correct punish

[wanton sierra]

It's not a textbook or anything but it gives you my run down of each of her buttons

Maybe that can help you?

[dull bone]

Unfortunately, that's just a thing that comes with time and knowing your characters

[wanton sierra]

Fat mooood

[dull bone]

You'll get there

[carmine axle]

Random, but what’s numpad notation for Z motion?

[wanton sierra]

623

When facing right, aka on the p1 side

[carmine axle]

I’m assuming 623k on wake-up isn’t smart

[wanton sierra]

It can be

It's a gamble

[carmine axle]

Can it catch jumping people?

[dull bone]

7 8 9
4 5 6
1 2 3
Number notations look like this when facing right.

[wanton sierra]

All the time, assuming it has invul

Iori's is last time I checked

[dull bone]

Some dps have longer startup so they could be punishable, but dps like iori that come out really fast, are more viable for catching jump ins

[wanton sierra]

But be careful with safejumps, that's more of an advanced tech but I'm putting it in the back of your mind for now

[lofty radish]

It’s very good. But she doesn’t need motivation to use it as an anti air cause her 2C is even better and is way easier to input and react with

[wanton sierra]

Dps, oli

Not shermie specific

But yes

[lofty radish]

He said 623k

[wanton sierra]

Shermie 2C is God

[wanton sierra]

Oh I'm thinking iori

My bs

BS

Bs

Agh

Tiredness

[lofty radish]

Iori light dp is very good and quite safe

[carmine axle]

Noticed that

[wanton sierra]

But Shermie 623K on wakeup is only for if you know they'll be in the air

Or to get out the corner if you EX it

[carmine axle]

I need to learn how to actually use buttons rn I kinda just toss 2p and far 5c

[wanton sierra]

5C is good

Try also 5B

[carmine axle]

5b can be cancelled into grab just leaned

[wanton sierra]

5B can cancel into grab once you get it's rhythm

2B, 2A, 5A, 5B can be canceled into specials

Trust me, this is why I want you focusing on getting the CMD grab to come out like 2nd nature

[carmine axle]

Yeah, I need to learn how to actually move

[wanton sierra]

Shermie neutral is actually pretty tough, par for the course lf being a grappler

That learning curve will be steep asf

[carmine axle]

hops are the intimidating one for me rn

[wanton sierra]

As it is for us all

How easily can you do them in training mode?

[carmine axle]

Can do about 2 hops in a row in training

[wanton sierra]

K

Want you do to drill yourself with doing 20 hops in a row

5 on each side and then with buttons

[carmine axle]

That’s a big leap lol

[wanton sierra]

Obviously you won't be before but go slow and focus on how you move your fingers

Eventually it'll become 2nd nature in the lab

Once that happens you'll see it more in a match when you learn to calm yourself

[carmine axle]

Another thing that always gets me multiple times is no blocking in the air

[wanton sierra]

It might take a few weeks before you get good with it offline

[wanton sierra]

This ain't no anime fight boi

[carmine axle]

This game feels like a weird hybrid to me I see it as anime street fighter-

[wanton sierra]

No lariats to rely on

Neutral is hard

[carmine axle]

No beam assist 😔

[wanton sierra]

I get the feeling you were a fusion team player

Gogeta at least

[carmine axle]

Wow rude-

[wanton sierra]

So I'm right

Good to know

[carmine axle]

Nope

[wanton sierra]

Oh?

No A21LC?

[carmine axle]

No LC

[wanton sierra]

Oh ho?

A21??

I just like her ok?

[carmine axle]

I play them for fun but not my main team

S Broly, (Still haven’t found mid), Goku Black

[wanton sierra]

Hit

Hit sounds so good on that team frfr

[carmine axle]

S Broly is so rough sometimes

[wanton sierra]

Those stomps tho

[carmine axle]

Bad frame data on like everything

[wanton sierra]

Speaking of

Iori got wild buttons

Do you know the name DS Shadow X?

[carmine axle]

Do not

[wanton sierra]

Look up pretty much any TNS tournaments on YouTube

Your bound to find him

His Iori is that stuff of nightmares

He makes Iori look top tier

Learn from him, study his patterns

[carmine axle]

Surprisingly my least favorite thing watching other players to learn stuff-

[wanton sierra]

Least favorite, but most effective

[carmine axle]

Feels like homework-

[wanton sierra]

Weird mindset but ok

You can enjoy watching a tourney

But when the player comes up, yknow?

Once you get a feel for your character, trust me you'll see how players think when using them

It will kinda just.... click

[carmine axle]

I do enjoy watching a tourney but I never bother studying because I’m at such a level where I don’t know why they’re doing the things that they are so it doesn’t really help

[wanton sierra]

Like I said

Once you get comfortable with a character you'll see it more naturally

Hardest part in learning kof is always always always the start

You'll have to learn the whole system to see consistent wins

Defense, Offense, and Neutral

Here's a tip for starting out, put your best character on anchor and the character you wanna learn neutral on point

[carmine axle]

Yeah I know,

[wanton sierra]

Ok

[carmine axle]

blocking the worst I don’t know what to do after the opponent is just out of reach for pokes to hit

[wanton sierra]

Then for shermie neutral get into the long term habit of shimmying, which is when you do this stutter step thing and move back and forth

Walk forward

[worn arch]

This is the KOF neutral space IE hop distance. This is the danger zone where you make your hard decisions.

[wanton sierra]

Which is why I said the real answer is hopping earlier

But I know the pain of it not being consistent

[carmine axle]

Ofc it’s hopping-

[wanton sierra]

So I'm giving you what I know from my exp

It's literally always hopping

[carmine axle]

Gotta be a wabbit

[wanton sierra]

Round Start? Hop distance

[worn arch]

It is the Year of the Rabbit

So best time to learn

[wanton sierra]

Corner pressure? Hop mix

Getting out a punish for a sweep? Hopping in

The answer is almost always hopping and there's no escaping it

That why I suggested the drill I gave you

[carmine axle]

gotta be the type of input I despise most tapping-

[wanton sierra]

What medium do you play on?

[carmine axle]

Medium?

[wanton sierra]

Your controller

What do you use?

[carmine axle]

DualShock 4

[wanton sierra]

Analog or Dpad?

[carmine axle]

Dpad

[wanton sierra]

Ok

Try 393

That act of going back down really fast

It'll shave off frames to get more hops

Alternatively, what I do is called rolling/sliding where you glide your fingers of the pad, this requires you to really exaggerate the motion

[carmine axle]

Each hop has situational uses I’m guessing

[wanton sierra]

Nope

It's pretty versatile

[worn arch]

You play anime FGs right?

Hops = the OG IAD

[wanton sierra]

It's fast, low, and needs to be read

[carmine axle]

I feel IAD is very different

[wanton sierra]

Not in concept

The game is ofc different because neutral is not as relied on as in KoF but that's really what makes it so strong

Hopping is like... 15f

Faster than the human reaction

Jumps are 30f

Iirc

[carmine axle]

I’m so bad at neutral I don’t know what I’m doing in any game I’m just throwing things out just because not really with a purpose and that feels really hard to change

[wanton sierra]

Kof will make you learn

[carmine axle]

Came from smash due to shielding feeling like the most useless thing ever

[wanton sierra]

BRO WYM?!

Oh nah

[worn arch]

Smash & KOF share surprising similarities

[wanton sierra]

Nahnahnah

Let's run it back

[carmine axle]

I still see roll as a better shield

[wanton sierra]

Oh dear god

We gotta start from the ground up

We gotta go bald

[scarlet delta]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-bald-gif-26454753

[wanton sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[carmine axle]

You can move anywhere on stage why not due that? Some characters have really good out of shields stuff of course but like why not use all the movement you get in smash

[wanton sierra]

Rolling is also laggy as hell compared to shielding

You get too predictable and it's lights out

[carmine axle]

That’s true

[worn arch]

Rolling also decays the more you use it IE it gets worse if you abuse it

[carmine axle]

I know that, I’m not saying abuse roll it has it’s time and place

[wanton sierra]

So roll in kof too

It's good

[carmine axle]

My brain no connect things like that

[wanton sierra]

Then make one

That's literally how the brain works

[carmine axle]

Not that easy for me in a match im worried ab so much I forget some of the mechanics

[wanton sierra]

Not In a match

I mean like

[worn arch]

Why you have to keep playing

To help you remember all your tools

[wanton sierra]

Well that too

[worn arch]

Also Pro Tip: don’t worry about what your opponent doesn’t show you

[wanton sierra]

If you want, make goals each match
might help

[carmine axle]

Yes that is correct, would love to play ranked to get more experience but I’m not queuing for dbd 2

[wanton sierra]

Like: be sure to use [this move] at least once

[wanton sierra]

Well that's what this place is for

Just ping, usually someone will be around

@/PS KOF

[carmine axle]

I know, but just wish I didn’t have to use a server to y’know play the game

[wanton sierra]

That's how it be sometimes

Plus side, this way you'll improve at a much much faster rate

I mean

Look at me

[worn arch]

We got crossplay coming too as well a big patch and content drops

So the future is looking bright

[carmine axle]

I would probably post matches or some for critiques and stuff but clip’s definitely gonna be larger than 9mb

[wanton sierra]

If you want some proof of what i mean, check out my YT and watch my first kof vid vs my most current

Quite the night and day

[dull bone]

One thing that works in solo training when nobody is online is to set the cpu to level 1-3 so you're at least practicing against a moving target, which can help you learn spacing a bit better. It's what I used to learn anyways.

But I should be free for most of this weekend so ping me whenever and I should be able to get back to you if you wanna do some practice matches or smth.

[carmine axle]

I’ll probably play more tomorrow or some just tough sometimes considering everyone’s significantly above my level

[scarlet delta]

Yeah it can be tough

[wanton sierra]

https://youtu.be/vFiKaa0ar30

Watch this

[scarlet delta]

Buncha people have been stupid new here and seen crazy improvement

[wanton sierra]

And make note of the date

[scarlet delta]

Cien is one of them

[wanton sierra]

Watch my Shermie especially

It's actually tragic

[carmine axle]

Kinda random but how do you stay motivated to do “boring” training like practicing hopping and stuff

[wanton sierra]

Ugh

Sheer force of will

[dull bone]

Its the want to get better.

[scarlet delta]

Having fun

[wanton sierra]

There's no way around it unless you put in the motivation

[dull bone]

I made a list of people I wanted to beat as a way of keeping me motivated

[wanton sierra]

Either by self drive or the want to be competitive

There's no shortcuts in this game

Uh...

[scarlet delta]

I just play because I love the characters and like to have fun

[wanton sierra]

No improvement shortcuts

[dull bone]

You could always play kula

[wanton sierra]

Yeah, but I'm not a bitch

[dull bone]

Jk

[scarlet delta]

Balance Patch dropping any week now Dyl haha

[carmine axle]

I know, i always feel like I’m trying to learn too much or too little everytime I play a new fighting game

[wanton sierra]

Then learn one thing at a time

It'll stack

[scarlet delta]

It’s a long road but it’s one that’s worth it

[carmine axle]

I try to learn a bnb, basic mix, frametrap if they have it, for picking up a character

[dull bone]

The first week is always the roughest. As cliché as it sounds, the more you play, the more comfortable everything will feel, and it will all just become second nature in due time.

[wanton sierra]

Nononono

None of that

In this game

Pick a character, learn what button is good for hops, their fastest button, and a safe low button

That's what you need to start

Good for stopping hops*

Typically this will be 5A or 5C

But exceptions exists

[carmine axle]

this be heartbreaking lol-

[wanton sierra]

Trust me

This is a system game

Once you learn one character you'll learn how to play 70% of the cast

Question

How consistent are your inputs?

[worn arch]

Also, I suggest following an 80-20 rule

80% matches 20% labbing

[wanton sierra]

Me with 95-5

Uh...

Ye

[carmine axle]

Like generally just doing inputs?

[wanton sierra]

Yeah, QCF/B, half circles, dps

Etc etc

[carmine axle]

Dp I’ve never felt I’ve been doing it right, I can do most inputs pretty easy except charge

[wanton sierra]

Then dps will come

[dull bone]

Charge motions suck imo

[wanton sierra]

You want the move now

LowTierGod.....
now

[carmine axle]

People say they’re too easy and I’m sitting here dropping, my Parasoul combo

[dull bone]

Oh damn, you play skullgirls? Or am I thinking of a different game

[wanton sierra]

Oh dear lord he's a Skullgirls fan

Lord have mercy

[carmine axle]

Trying to learn it ^^

OI!

[wanton sierra]

Learn Beowulf

[carmine axle]

Might

[dull bone]

I only play it when I get mad at kof

[wanton sierra]

Should give you a better mindset for grappler neutral

[carmine axle]

Okay but like everyone in skullgirls is fucking busted-

[wanton sierra]

Trust me Grappler neutral is quite the tool

And I never played the full game but it looks wild

[dull bone]

Grappler neutral is scary. Oliver's Clark puts the fear of death in me whenever I fight him.

[carmine axle]

I see it as marvel but instead of tod’s it’s resets

[dull bone]

I went and bought skullgirls cuz it was 90% off and priced at 2.49

No other reason

[carmine axle]

I pretty much bought KOF XV to play one character I wonder who-

[dull bone]

😏

I bought kof cuz terry was in it

Only reason I know who terry is was bc of smash tbh, so terry coming to smash is what brought me here.

[carmine axle]

I think smash’s design really set the bar too high for Terry for me the design is good in XV but smash’s Terry is so perfect looking despite me never playing any the games until now

[wanton sierra]

Bro wut

[dull bone]

Yeah, smash terry was based off of how he played in the fatal fury games

[wanton sierra]

Plus Buster Wolf

(Buster Wolf was a Garou addition if memory serves)

Not OG Terry

[dull bone]

Semi-og-pre-kof terry

[carmine axle]

If Shermie wasn’t in the game I’d probably run Iori point I think his design is so cool

[dull bone]

He is very cool

[wanton sierra]

If Shermie wasn't in the game I'd cry

She was the Day 1 main

[carmine axle]

I fell in love with Iori in the trailer for Terry when he just laughed after not getting the letter

[wanton sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/iori-yagami-八神-庵-king-of-fighters-gif-11730719

[carmine axle]

That’s my shit

[dull bone]

Terry was my day one main, but over time, Andy somehow became my best despite not labbing Andy ever

[carmine axle]

Idk a thing about him other than he looks really cool and he laughs a lot

[wanton sierra]

He loves cats

And a Bass player

[carmine axle]

And I think that’s enough knowledge I need to know about him + that

[wanton sierra]

Hates Kyo more than life itself

Literally joined several tournaments for the chance of killing him

[dull bone]

Iori's interests:
Cats, jazz, killing kyo, plotting to kill kyo.

[scarlet delta]

All tournaments

[wanton sierra]

Eats Sleeps Breathes being a Kyo Hater

[carmine axle]

Reminds me of Raven from Xrd

[scarlet delta]

Even when they were teamed up

[wanton sierra]

'94

[scarlet delta]

u right big dawg

[wanton sierra]

I know

Dunc

Stop

[scarlet delta]

🤡

[wanton sierra]

@carmine axle this isn't an exaggeration btw

The mention of Kyo will set murderous tendencies ablaze

Best part is that their family has beef but Iori hate him entirely for personal reasons

[carmine axle]

Is he affiliated with Shermie in any way the simplistic detail of them both having red hair connects them in some way for me-

[wanton sierra]

Uh

There are rival bands

Are in*

[dull bone]

LORD OROCHI too

[wanton sierra]

That's all I'll say

[carmine axle]

That’s sick

[wanton sierra]

I don't want to mention Orochi just yet

Let Fizz simmer in to the lore

[dull bone]

I watched a 9 hour kof lore retrospective before I got the game just so I didn't seem like a poser

[wanton sierra]

Bruh

[dull bone]

Because I didn't know any of the characters but now I do

[wanton sierra]

I think I watched that same retrospective

It was in 4 parts

Made this year?

[dull bone]

Yeah that one

[wanton sierra]

Yeeeeep

[carmine axle]

I don’t know any of them either other than I like the designs of my team and the rest eh they look cool i guess

[wanton sierra]

That's all you need for now

[carmine axle]

how old is Chris?-

[wanton sierra]

Canonically?

Like 14-15?

[dull bone]

17? Idk

[wanton sierra]

He's young

[dull bone]

He got a funny moonwalk too

[wanton sierra]

The moonwalk

[carmine axle]

Kay that’s what I thought still couldn’t define what gender they were either lol k had to know

[wanton sierra]

No one schmooves like this man

Oh Chris is a dude

100%

[dull bone]

Andy
Andy zooms

[wanton sierra]

Zooms

Not schmooves

Very diff

[dull bone]

Damn thats true

[wanton sierra]

Much rent

[carmine axle]

I couldn’t tell even after hearing Chris’s voice

[wanton sierra]

Woman are often VAs for young kids

[dull bone]

The one that confused me the most was ash honestly

[wanton sierra]

So I get your confusion

[wanton sierra]

See that one is one purpose

[dull bone]

Yeah

Snk almost got me there

[carmine axle]

What’s Ash?-

[wanton sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-crimson-gif-26472876

[dull bone]

Oh boy, you wanna tell em

[wanton sierra]

No

[carmine axle]

Is a dood?

[wanton sierra]

Let Fizz figure it out

Not saying

https://tenor.com/view/ash-ash-crimson-kof-snk-king-of-fighters-gif-21258246

[carmine axle]

It’s the land between

[dull bone]

What do you think they are

[wanton sierra]

Ash is one definitive gender

[carmine axle]

I think they a female

[wanton sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-crimson-skill-issue-kof-skill-issue-tbh-gif-22792998

Ha

Haha

Hahahahahahahah

[dull bone]

I think you're wrong

[wanton sierra]

Ash is a guy

[dull bone]

100%

[carmine axle]

Even better

[wanton sierra]

now you speaking my language

[carmine axle]

I play Iori cause I find him hot spoiler alert

[wanton sierra]

Me and Benimaru

And Shermie

and king

and Ralf

[carmine axle]

Vanessa’s on the team kinda just cuz she looked cool to play and more important reason she had red hair

[wanton sierra]

She's a housewife btw

She's an agent on the side

[dull bone]

Here's how I picked my team.
Terry: oh he's cool af and he got me into the series.
Andy: He's Terry's brother and plays like an honest shoto
Mary: i think she's pretty

[wanton sierra]

And none of her family knows

Shermie....

Uhh...

Spoke to me in many ways

[dull bone]

Shermie lore hits different

Just know, she's in a band

[wanton sierra]

you didn't have to CUUUT ME OOOOFF~~

[carmine axle]

Benimaru gets a thumbs up character design wise from me cause he looks like Polnareff

[wanton sierra]

Yep

That's no bs

Thats a real thing

[dull bone]

That's what he was designed after

[carmine axle]

I knew it had to be intentional the pose gave it away

[dull bone]

In older games they were not trying to hide it at all

[wanton sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-fighters-kof15-kofxv-team-orochi-orochi-gif-24841399

My live

Life*

[carmine axle]

Bark

[wanton sierra]

Love**

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-fighters-king-of-fighters-destiny-yuri-sakazaki-benimaru-robert-garcia-gif-16419663

Look at this boi

It's so Polnareff it hurts

[carmine axle]

Polnareff carried part 3

Meitenkun is another one I’m squinting my eyes at trying to find the gender

[dull bone]

I had a meme for this, but there are no gifs of Andy bogard. They're all either of chris pratt Andy from that one sitcom, and terry

[dull bone]

Hes a guy

[wanton sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/vice-meitenkun-meiten-sleepy-kof-gif-17120203

[dull bone]

He just sleepy

[carmine axle]

I thought he was

I can relate

[wanton sierra]

Chris, Meiten, and Ash

[dull bone]

Thank gosh I don't know sleepy Kung fu bc kids on my bus would die

[wanton sierra]

Team Questioning

Team Wait, what?

[carmine axle]

My team’s gimmick is Redheads

Even tho I really like blonde Shermie-

[dull bone]

My teams gimmick is either fatal fury, or team bogard, but they're all blonde too

[wanton sierra]

My team gimmick:

[dull bone]

Thank you max that is a good observation

[carmine axle]

I’m a sucker for long hair covering eyes, I have to analyze this clip very in depth to understand what he’s teaching

[dull bone]

Relatable tbh

[wanton sierra]

Me rn

I have so much Shermie art it's uh....

a problem

[carmine axle]

But also gives off hentai mc vibes and I haven’t been the same since I thought abt it

[wanton sierra]

Pbfff

She's a hentai protagonist frfr

I mean

Look at us

[dull bone]

Its a neutral feeling

[carmine axle]

I got a lot of Angel Devil-

[dull bone]

Lmao where did this conversation go??😂😂

[wanton sierra]

nice

Horny

So yknow

Snk

[carmine axle]

I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING ABT BUYING HEROINES OVER XV

[wanton sierra]

OH MY GOD FIZZ HAVE YOU HEARD OF SNK HEROINE--

[dull bone]

Damn those Japanese producers, they know exactly what we want

[wanton sierra]

BRUUUUUH

[dull bone]

HAHAHA

[wanton sierra]

SAME HAAAAAAT

[carmine axle]

I SAW MISS X AND WAS THINKING VERY DEEPLY ABT IT AND TERRY WITH HONKERS

[wanton sierra]

Not my female Terry

where's the muscle?

I want my Muscle Milk Mommy Terry

Not whatever doll form she got

[dull bone]

My favorite terry gotta be when he tells kids to eat their veggies

[carmine axle]

Should’ve just kept a male voice for female Terry

[wanton sierra]

Cyoom

[dull bone]

Terry is just your friendly, neighborhood, geese killing, gigachad

[wanton sierra]

Terry doesn't kill geese, silly

He kicks Geese

[carmine axle]

He- what’s?-

[wanton sierra]

Geese wants to die by falling off a roof, thats a skill issue

[dull bone]

Nah, he tried to save geese but then geese was like 😤🖕

[wanton sierra]

That's what I mean by Skill issue

He chose to die

And thats not Terry's problem

[dull bone]

Yeah

[wanton sierra]

Oh that reminds me of a sketch I made

Brbs

Er

I'll post it in SNK artwork

Ok I'm bacc

[dull bone]

I almost feel bad for anyone who's gonna read through all this😂

[wanton sierra]

They probs won't

[dull bone]

They gonna be like "what was the hopping drill- oh what the hell??"

[wanton sierra]

Horni consume

[carmine axle]

They find out what Ash is for the first time-

[wanton sierra]

Perhaps

[dull bone]

a charge character

[carmine axle]

They are-

[wanton sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-crimson-get-ash-kof-king-of-fighters-get-real-gif-22926169

[dull bone]

No please I don't wanna relive that

[wanton sierra]

Ash is the only character with a practical TOD btw, fizz

Well

a way to get tods

[dull bone]

I still have minor ptsd of tricky putting me through the grinder with a 60+ ash combo

[carmine axle]

The downbadness might make me push through and play Ash on the side despite having charge moves

[wanton sierra]

He has several ways to kill you with one touch

[wanton sierra]

@dim shadow

You might wanna hear this

@shadow raven too

[dull bone]

Aight, I'm sleepy so I'm going to bed now ya bunch of chads.

[wanton sierra]

Cya

[carmine axle]

Seeya

[dim shadow]

Mamma's been summoned

@carmine axle don't take this personal but...... What's your gender

Me n Tricky are the only women in the server to play and use Ash consistently Break the cycle xD

[carmine axle]

XD Male

I’m the chosen one

[dim shadow]

You are xD broke the cycle 💀

[carmine axle]

The coomer mentality strong in fighting games

[wanton sierra]

Real

[lofty radish]

@carmine axle if you’re free today, I can do a quick online training session with you

If you’re interested

[carmine axle]

Later I’ll be fee I’d love to do some training with y’all

[wanton sierra]

Pog

You gon learn Shermie today

[carmine axle]

Gotta do Shermie “Research”

[lofty radish]

I’ll do a quick general one with you as well as some Shermie tech then you can do a more in-depth Shermie session with Cien

[lofty radish]

Oh you should do one with @scarlet delta to teach you Iori tech and combos

[carmine axle]

Definitely need to learn Iori stuff weakest character on my team labbed him the least

[lofty radish]

Iori should be the most fundamental as he has shoto tendencies

[carmine axle]

Yeah, i kinda just threw him on cause he’s one of my fav designs and he’s simpler and flexible

[lofty radish]

He has some advanced stuff and out of everyone in your team, you need to learn to hop with him the most. Shermie you can get away with not hopping

[carmine axle]

True

What does Iori use to extend combos btw? Ex 236

[scarlet delta]

depends

But that’s one of them

idk if ima really be the one to be able to teach you anything haha but I can tell u some combos and some tricks if u like

[lofty radish]

Yes ex fireball is the main one

[lofty radish]

That’s more than many of us here know since we don’t play Iori while you know his stuff!!

[scarlet delta]

Idek who that is actually

[carmine axle]

What’s the command grab primarily used for?

[lofty radish]

Ex rekka is another one and is an easy setup for super

[scarlet delta]

which one

The hit command grab or the one where he switches side

[carmine axle]

Switches sides

[scarlet delta]

it’s another way to create an opening for combos

Escape pressure situations

[lofty radish]

Catching defensively players who are crouch blocking. Which they tend to do since Iori has crazy strong pressure.

[scarlet delta]

I don’t really use it I have a hard time understanding the application in game

But it’s a very powerful tool

[carmine axle]

Nice, is 6A safe on block?

[lofty radish]

Check out his dreamcancel page for all frame information plus info for all your other characters

[scarlet delta]

-6

http://www.dreamcancel.com/wiki/The_King_of_Fighters_XV/Iori_Yagami

[carmine axle]

I’ll have to check it out

[scarlet delta]

We should play a little maybe today or sometime next week before I go on mini vacay and I can give u some tips

[carmine axle]

I’m free almost whenever after school rn I’m out but when I get back I’m down to play

[scarlet delta]

I go to work at 5 ish, am done around 9:30ish so if I’m up for it might try u tonight, if not we can try this upcoming week

I’m no master tho, Daru is way better than me, uses Iori’s tools to the fullest I think

[carmine axle]

Thas fine

[scarlet delta]

How are you w/ the Rekka input ? Some people have complained abt them being difficult when starting

[carmine axle]

I find it pretty easy Ram when I first played her in strive kinda taught me that stuff

[scarlet delta]

Yeah I agree w/ that

Essential to his gameplan

[carmine axle]

Mhm, only thing I struggle with is doing dp instead of fireball doing combos and extending the lvl 1 into a lvl 2

[scarlet delta]

So like 5C into 6A into 236 Fireball stuff but you’re getting the misinput into dp?

[carmine axle]

Yeah believe simple fix I was told to Tigerknee it

[scarlet delta]

yes exactly

[carmine axle]

Slayer taught me that in Xrd 😎

[scarlet delta]

5C into 6B is also a little more lenient

[carmine axle]

6b the overhead kick correct?

[scarlet delta]

yeah but it loses overhead properties when comboed into

[carmine axle]

Makes sense

[scarlet delta]

that’s like every command normal in the game

[carmine axle]

Didn’t know that

[wanton sierra]

@carmine axle just ping me when you want to learn Shermie

I'm just a bit busy now and I lyk when I hop on

[carmine axle]

Alright I will

[carmine axle]

@lofty radish I’m free now are you down to do some training still?

[lofty radish]

I’m not at home right now. I should get home in around an hour or 2, I’ll ping you

[carmine axle]

Aight

[lofty radish]

I think @dull bone is in a room right now. You can play him for a bit

[vast vine]

@smoky parcel any advice for me?

[smoky parcel]

We need to play more matches. Try to build stronger and safer blockstrings with light attacks, rely less on sweep on wake-up’s and reversal

[vast vine]

Thanks Daru

[torpid grotto]

@abstract swift ggs bro

just in case you were wondering, you kept hopping, thow hopping bolckstring, hopping throw

i couldnt stop you

and you were a little desperate since you had the meter but out of life plus time

i was almost certain the super would hit and if not mai wouldve still been ok

wasnt a troll or anything

@lofty radish @abstract swift @tall geode and anyone else who watched

any advice

[abstract swift]

Nope, nothing I haven't already pointed out. Nessa jCD is good to cover air control though, that's for sure

[torpid grotto]

I attempted to set up more safe jumps, I also tried switching up block strings to incorporate 3d 3B mixup, although I don’t think I got it once

Utilized mai QM and tried being more versatile with the wall jumps

Not that I pulled most of not all of that off on the match sadly

Oh I also tried my pokes lol far b and far d for angel by the end of the set I was poking with c as well

[tall geode]

I left midway through the set but what I saw looked pretty good. You and I are in the same situation right now, where matches are basically 2 vs 3 bc we’re learning a new character. Those Mai QM drops were painful been trying to work that in too

[torpid grotto]

yeah im tying

they won me a match later in the set though!

[tall geode]

Hell yeah dude!

[carmine axle]

@wanton sierra you still down to teach me some Shermie?

[worn arch]

Give out as many free hugs as you can

[carmine axle]

The thigh hugs

[fickle plaza]

Honestly idk how howl does it but I think he’s magical

[lofty radish]

It’s kinda cool how fast his progress with the game is. If he keeps up this rate, he’ll be able to compete against the pros in no time

[torpid grotto]

Do what?

[torpid grotto]

Thanks man that means a lot

[fickle plaza]

You’re good at finding hits

It’s crazy

Shits magical

[torpid grotto]

Lack of fundies is probably to blame tbh

You watched the mac set?

[fickle plaza]

A lil bit of it

It might’ve looked bad set wise but it was pretty even id say

[torpid grotto]

I agree 100 percent I don’t think there was a match that wasn’t anchor to anchor

Oh one with nessa

I’m just shocked 1 hp mai brought it back on near perfect health terry

[torpid grotto]

Hey @abstract swift do you dislike the Joe/Ángel matchup?

Or is joe your new mid

[abstract swift]

Kinda, Joe has shit buttons to stop jumps and you only jump with Angel LOL. His neutral is fireball dependent.

his DP isn't very reliable either

It's a love/hate relationship with Joe

either that, or i'm using him wrong lol

I really wanted Rock off point but that whole set Joe did fook all

it's something i gotta workshop for sure

[torpid grotto]

Gotcha

[torpid grotto]

And hey that set I tried more stuff!

Sheesh just because I’m bad at the game…

I think that set was the very very first time I’ve ever did a blockstring into side switch

You guys are all used to my blockstring into 50/50

[dim shadow]

@abstract swift Joe handles jumps very well

[abstract swift]

Tiger knee is hella inconsistent n neutral jB is mid. jCD is good but Howl's team has priority besides Angel

Preemptive is fine I guess but the risk reward isn't in my favour I think

Light knee doesn't go very high n often time is short on stuffing the jump

[torpid grotto]

Wait I keep hearing that term a lot

Is priority a thing?

I thought it was all start up/active frames and hitboxes

[worn arch]

Active frames are what determine priority

[torpid grotto]

And hitboxes no?

For example if your move is active first and technically your active frames start first, however my hitbox is longer than hurtbox the “priority” would still be mine

Or am I just not intelligent

[dim shadow]

@abstract swift idk I'm just use to seeing Joe's snipe people out the air and playing very defensive which isn't your style to begin with

I understand his buttons in how I play so I get a rather good success rate in Joe's normals to handle the neutral. He's fundamentally solid he's nothing like Rock or Terry but he has his own strength

[abstract swift]

Yeah this is definitely the issue in my case, I'm more offense driven for sure. There were some times where I was able to be a solid reactionary, defensive stance with Rock n Terry. Joe I think needs more time to be comfortable with his buttons n options

[torpid grotto]

I think you play joe good but I do say he’s the weaker of the three. But he can shut me down

[abstract swift]

Rock has a solid 2c, Terry has a really good light DP but Joe has neither LOL

[torpid grotto]

5D?

[abstract swift]

yeah he's definitely the weakest because he's (in my case) very momentum heavy

[abstract swift]

It's pretty decent for hops but not really jumps

[torpid grotto]

Oh

[abstract swift]

doesn't hit high enough/inconsistent if it does

[torpid grotto]

Yesterday I discover 3d with ángel stops jump ins lol not sure how viable it is but gives hard knockdown

[torpid grotto]

I hate when I go for 5D and get CL.D and eat shit

[worn arch]

Yes. But a hitbox doesn’t matter if it doesn’t activate in the first place.

See: Team SS & Billy with their hurt before hitbox weapons.

[abstract swift]

happens with rock more than I wish it did, where i get 2b and cl.b instead of 5b and it whiffs LMAO despite connecting a good 2b

hopefully they address that cuz the whiffs HUUURT.

I also need to use more of Rock's other options for blockstrings. EX n all.

but I desperately want him off point so I can meter dump + get access to install lol

[torpid grotto]

Bro angel has the most dog shit pokes 5b is a horizontal kick that can stop hops but Cl.B is the stubbiest goddamn standing low kick

The whiff is death

[worn arch]

Amazing how that works and yet somehow I got stuffed on everything when we fought. I wonder why…

🤔

[dim shadow]

It's not that viable but it feels good as hell when u land it. Same for quick UC 8a for the anti air launcher

[dim shadow]

My son you just don't use 5B right 💀 it's a decent anti air and keep out tool among a QM starting whiff punisher. What are you using 5b for?

Like what is making you choose to use 5b? Every move has a sole purpose to be used and once you find that said purpose you'll understand the character more

Cl.B isn't that stubby either 🥺

[abstract swift]

you're stubby

[dim shadow]

Same with your weakass neutral

💖

I love you Mac fight me in the game of Footsies

[abstract swift]

N I'll still win 😮‍💨

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-how-many-times-do-we-have-to-teach-you-lesson-spongebob-squarepants-angry-gif-16280075

[torpid grotto]

🤣

[tall geode]

I see Joes using neutral jumps to stuff air approaches but do agree with your overall point

[wanton sierra]

Well in neutral jumps that A2A

Mac is talking abt GTA

Er

Anti airs

[tall geode]

That is still an anti air

[wanton sierra]

Bro wut

[tall geode]

Air to airing someone is stopping an air approach therefore it’s an anti air bro

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CAx5Hm1q8D0

He even uses one of your characters @wanton sierra

[abstract swift]

Probably a style/conditioning fault of mine is everyone I scrap with regularly is used to the higher octane tempo I use. Howl said this in his stream and i agree to an extent, but I like to think I control the pacing of the match.

that being said, everyone to my experience turtles or suddenly stop when I don't do any actions LMAO

So a defensive Joe is suddenly: why did mac stop

LOL

[tall geode]

Lol I see what you mean but also think you could take advantage of that concept. “Appear strong where you are weak and weak where you are strong” and all that jazz. Don’t even think you have to go super defense mode either, I see lots of higher level players use neutral hop and back hop attacks to control space and if they get a hit, go back in

[fickle plaza]

MAC how is it that you put me through JOEPRESSION but no one else? 😀😀😀😀

[abstract swift]

Momentum

Lol

Joepression needs a Joepresso because he is NOT cutting it right now

[tall geode]

Mmmm espresso

[wanton sierra]

This is what I'm working on

But if you're in the air too, that why I say Air to Air to avoid confusion

[abstract swift]

Jb is an anti air.

@shrewd pike try not to roll so much! I think you can do really well with Mai, she's got really busted, disjointed buttons which was real evident today. But you use her air throw a lot more than I thought you would and her mobility options, which is pretty stellar for two weeks

Kula also has bar none the best 2b in the game, my only woe is you play like every other Kula so anyone who isn't me and has a good understanding of the Kula match up will snuff that 2b mash pretty quick.

Yashiro also has great frame traps that I think would be good to look in depth. There's nothing "wrong" with unga'ing your way to victory but if you're as active as you currently are, it's just a matter of time before people see right through it.

But as a baseline, for two weeks, that's pretty solid what you got down pat. Learning some KOF neutral will go a long way! Hopefully they don't snuff those abrasive buttons too much season 2 lol

[shrewd pike]

Thanks!

Those Mai airthrows? Mashing jC 🙂

[abstract swift]

Lmaooooo

[shrewd pike]

Yeah I think of switching Kula

[abstract swift]

If it stops strong jump Bs like Terry n Rock's, it's very good

[shrewd pike]

Maybe for Chris I like fast chars

[abstract swift]

I think you'd be a menace with Chris

[tall geode]

Gotta say this response totally caught me off guard

[abstract swift]

Right lmao

[shrewd pike]

Gotta check those Yashiro frame traps

I used rolls cuz they worked, grab punishing your projectile recovery

[wanton sierra]

Can't handle the knowledge check mix up

[abstract swift]

Recognized my own woe to rely on fireball too much so that definitely snuffed it hahahah

[wanton sierra]

@tall geode be sure to lmk how I played and where I can improve

And if you're gonna say one area, please also add ideas to point me in the right direction so I don't spam questions after then

[wanton sierra]

@dim shadow

And don't just say Axle Kick

I want a full team analysis if possible

You know my characters, no?

[dim shadow]

I was just meaning in that time lmao I kept interrupting the AK 🤣

I'll give it to you soon!

That Beni had me

[wanton sierra]

Idk what I was doing with Beni

I just kinda went X games mode

@carmine axle any questions?

I'm not the super expert (as you saw Daru Shermie sweep me) but I'll give all the info I can

[torpid grotto]

@tall geode any thoughts

[carmine axle]

You said Vanessa can work around projectiles quite well correct? Something I’m struggling against myself for right now

[wanton sierra]

Her dash move is projectile invul

So you can use it to quickly approach and punish wild zoning

Bc you can cancel out the dash with other moves, see?

[carmine axle]

Yeah makes sense

[wanton sierra]

On top of hopping, rolling, and the walk-n-block it gives her more options to deal

And the reflector too

Your strong uppercut special reflects too

[carmine axle]

Forgot about that

[wanton sierra]

It happens

Maybe make it a goal to reflect as many projectiles as you can

To build it into your muscle memory

Same with dashing

And overtime it will integrate into your natural playstlye

You'll learn the nitty gritty of when to do and not to do but for now go all in on it

[carmine axle]

Makes sense

[wanton sierra]

Ye

Rn you wanna make those moves 2nd nature to you

As well as every other move ofc

But since you wanted to deal with zoning, I'm saying this first

On top of trying to get into neutral

[carmine axle]

Neutral for Vanessa really hard to me cause I’m so stubby

[wanton sierra]

Yep

It's not gonna get easier, you just understand it more over time

Shermie is on a similar boat

Except instead of stubby she's commital

Rn you just wanna get as much raw experience as possible on top of making hopping and special moves easier than breathing in the lab

In my opinion

[carmine axle]

Remembering my moves pretty easy though I am struggling to do Iori command grab, and can land Vanessa charge abt everytime in the lab but not in actual play lol

[wanton sierra]

That's where the raw experience comes in

Implementation takes longer than training it

[carmine axle]

Yeah, like I said my switch Nessa out for someone else for time being so I can better learn the game and maybe come back to her once I got a better grip

[wanton sierra]

Well

[torpid grotto]

Who else do you play

[wanton sierra]

That both works and doesnt

[carmine axle]

Shermie and Iori

[torpid grotto]

Ok both are really good and iori can teach you the base game for the most part

If you really really like Vanesa as a character stick with her

[wanton sierra]

Since Nessa has a harder neutral you'll be trying to break down usual habits once you get better

[torpid grotto]

If she’s just one option for you try someone else out

[wanton sierra]

@torpid grotto for example angel stuck with Angel from day 1

[torpid grotto]

It’s gonna be very hard for you to drop her, get better, then switch back

[wanton sierra]

And specialized

[carmine axle]

That’s true

[wanton sierra]

That's what I did with Shermie

But if you really wanna have someone with good neutral there's plenty to try

[torpid grotto]

Plus fizz not sure if you care but she shoudl get a good buff this month

She should be eating

[wanton sierra]

nessa nerfed again to make sure she can never be top tier

Oh yeah she was the best character of the game at one point

Well

VRTG

[carmine axle]

How much do patches change things like character viability wise this’ll be my first patch

[wanton sierra]

Depends

It all depends on what the devs change

[abstract swift]

Before the days of Krohnen & Kula, it was Ralf, Terry n Vanessa

[wanton sierra]

Gato

Don't you dare forget Gato

[abstract swift]

Idk what they did with Ralf n Nessa but Terry all they did was nerf base damage of EX crack shoot by a bit n everyone dropped him

But like

[carmine axle]

Because my mains in other games never got buffed very notably cough cough Goku black worst character in the game

[abstract swift]

i'll still smack if i get that one touch

[wanton sierra]

Ralf got his 5d nerfed

With other minimal changes

[abstract swift]

N Ralf is still good, same with Nessa, but it's just harder to get them going (rightfully so because they dump you once they get momentum)

that can be said with any character though really

So don't pay too too much attention to tier lists

just play whoever

[carmine axle]

Tho I do mostly come from anime games so eh idk

[abstract swift]

no one is like Frieza or Beerus obsolete (besides Ramon)

[wanton sierra]

Any other KoF questions Fizz?

[torpid grotto]

Goku black goat. Patches are kinda far in between and recently snk has broken character Vanessa was the meta she was the best now she’s a specialty low tier. Terry was meta now he’s an A tier still very good and I’m not sure about Ralf. But it could very, you might see nessa jump from like a d to a c-b tier

[wanton sierra]

So you just forgor Billy is still in the game

[torpid grotto]

Is he?

[abstract swift]

who?