SNK Post-Match Discussion

[torpid grotto]

That’s just the good and bad part about counters

[dull bone]

Spin fall is an overhead??
(Asking as a BM player)

[torpid grotto]

I believe so, can she do it normally outside of combos?

I would have to check brb

[fickle plaza]

That’s another thing I’m working on to try to make her counter grab work better in block strings and there are times where I do and I know I can actually pull it off but I’m too late and y’all end up jumping and that’s mainly on my part because it’s 214~236 then button and then the funny part about that is I recover but idk if I should block or dp which is why I get hit

[torpid grotto]

Nvm it’s actually a mid

[dull bone]

I figured.
I'm pretty sure ex spinfall is a true overhead though I'd have to double check

[torpid grotto]

No also mid

[fickle plaza]

No

[dull bone]

really??
Good to know.

[torpid grotto]

But it’s great to extend pressure really good tool

[fickle plaza]

Never do ex spinfall is unsafe if you’re gunnna end something in spinfall do the light version

[wanton sierra]

What's Spinfall?

[torpid grotto]

Light version is actually -3 or -1 at max range

So pretty safe

[fickle plaza]

No its a gimmick it’s not her turn

[fickle plaza]

Her flip kick

[torpid grotto]

Light spin fall is -3 at most

Fastest start ups are 4f in kof I believe

[dull bone]

236 A or C for blue mary

[torpid grotto]

So her light spin fall is good to extend pressure but does have a gap so make sure you’re not too obvious with it

[dull bone]

I think I mixed up my letters, I meant quarter circle punch

[fickle plaza]

Don’t over extend your turn with light spinfall

[torpid grotto]

It also does a good job of catching opponents trying to jump after your block strings

However trip is a BM vet so his advice for how stuff actually plays out in match would be more useful

Just because stuff works on paper does not mean it’ll work out on game

[wanton sierra]

Is the the one where she says "Rolling"?

Or the one she she slides?

[dull bone]

Random, slightly related question:
Is light vertical arrow a good anti-air, or should I use 3C for a more safe anti-air as bm?

[torpid grotto]

It’s good if you’re able to start it up however it’s interruptable so it’s a gimmick

[dull bone]

That one

[fickle plaza]

You’re right about this though it does catch jumpers but that’s only if you use her command grabs 6236 A or C

[torpid grotto]

And one of the worse things you can do as a newer player is learning to rely on gimmicks

[fickle plaza]

No where she says spinfall

I highkey be playing half a character not using all their tools

Smh

[wanton sierra]

Deadass

[dull bone]

Wait so then which ones "rolling"? I foror💀

[torpid grotto]

For example if you learn angel unchain you can throw off your opponents blocks and do a long lunge kick that links into uppercut launcher that grants you full combo, However the start up is insane and you will get punished

Great tool to have in the back pocket

[wanton sierra]

I mean King got 3 damn tools and I Forget she has a tatsu sometimes

[torpid grotto]

However do not rely on it

[wanton sierra]

Idk blue mary

[torpid grotto]

Learn her

[wanton sierra]

And I'm too lazy to look it up

[torpid grotto]

Rn

[wanton sierra]

No

Fuck you, punkass

[torpid grotto]

Sad

[fickle plaza]

That just means we gotta play more

[wanton sierra]

We scrapping now

[wanton sierra]

That still doesn't answer my initial question

[torpid grotto]

Which was

What is spin fall?

This is spin fall

[wanton sierra]

Oh

I remember

I remember her combo by the phrases she says

"Rollin"
"Kiss Me, oka?"

[torpid grotto]

Yeah looks like an overhead and light is actually safe of on block however start up is crazy so it’s hard to use

[fickle plaza]

Shit how u do that soo fast

[torpid grotto]

Dream cancel

The hold the pictures of the move

Save image

[fickle plaza]

Oh wow

[fickle plaza]

You dead ass

[wanton sierra]

Trip

Wrf is your pfp

Wtf*

[torpid grotto]

Angel j.c actually gets flagged as nsfw because it’s too nasty

I legally cannot post it here lol

[fickle plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/kamisato-ayaka-genshin-ayaka-inazuma-gif-22418896

[wanton sierra]

I don't play Genshin

At least

I think that's GI

[fickle plaza]

It’s kamisato Ayaka from genshin she’s a yandere for the mc

[wanton sierra]

All that booty too hot for discord

[fickle plaza]

Oh yeah so the qm cancels @torpid grotto yeah I be wasting hella bars and damage for BM you do want to do two ex 236 A+C into 3D into ex 2,4 b+C that’s optimal for her damage but definitely terrible for QM

Sometimes during qm you see me go into slicer and drop it’s because I missed the cancel window for either the lvl 1 or climax

But most likely for the climax

But either way imma use qm for kill scenarios or for an unwinnable life lead

I can’t believe that’s a bad habit of mine lmao

Actually imma stop using less bar

If I do double ex then I won’t go into super cancels

I just gotta react better to me getting the hit and going into a command normal rather than going into qm off seeing that hit

A lot of the advice you gave me I have been working on way before just needed to confirm it

[torpid grotto]

Or just lvl 1 ender max but yeah you got it

[fickle plaza]

Appreciate it bruhh go ahead and change your name to coach howl

[torpid grotto]

One day one day

[fickle plaza]

Aight back to Trollin

[dull bone]

Oh yeah, I updated the list for howl, since he lost his moisture, and therefore was dated.

[fickle plaza]

LMAO

lmk if u need BM advice

[torpid grotto]

I appreciate it, for you I’ll do tiers I’ll use team 3 until you beat it, team 2 and so on

Id you’d like of course if not I’ll give ya my best

[dull bone]

Nah, I'll do tiers

You gotta use angel against me tho, or is that only your main team?

[fickle plaza]

This mf acting like a blood borne boss 3 phases headass

[torpid grotto]

She’s main team but I’ll give you main team for our first match

[dull bone]

"Headass"

[dull bone]

Aight, can't wait

[knotty oriole]

@vagrant plaza They were good matches tonight. You were patient, anti aired, air-to-aired, and got your combos in. You improved so much since the first time we played.

Observations and Tips:

• Rolling Too Much: I know because I frequently roll with poor timing and get punished for it. There are times when rolling is the best option, like when someone is trying to go for a cross up attempt, but when cornered, try not to wake up roll automatically. I would learn to react to your opponent and see if a roll is necessary.
• Panic at the Corner: Being cornered isn’t easy, but try to stay calm and block until you see it’s a good time to roll or jump out. See above tip, as well.
• Neutral Very Reliant on Specials: I saw you keep me out with some of Terry’s normals, like f.D, and I really liked that. It’s a great way to keep the pressure to stop some of your opponent’s fake pressure. On a related note…
• Mashing: I’m not saying to mash them though. Do not make that a habit. For instance, at a far distance, I saw you mashing 2A. That will get you whiff punished or killed. This is where I tell people to use the “power of nothingness.” Just observe and react. That will go a long way in improving your defense. Notice how I noticed you rolling a lot, so I just ran towards you to bait a roll or DP.
• DP Hungry: I noticed a lot of DPs that seemed like hard reads and preemptive. I’m not a good example because I did the same, but I’m working on it as well. You know why that’s bad.. so just observe, bait, and react.

[tall geode]

If I’m getting a counter hit that means it’s still my turn and you gotta hold that lol. Stop mashing on your wake-up and maybe I’ll stop. That or have an invincible reversal which is what @fickle plaza could do with blue mary to beat turn stealing. Counter grab is ok but only has 3 invul frames and loses to well spaced meatys. Another good bet is 2B > 2A and if it hits go for big damage bc it’s +5 on hit and links to all her routes. If it’s blocked no harm and he’s -1 at absolute worst so back to neutral

|| I know it annoys you that I don’t always wait my turn. Punish me for it and I’ll think twice ||

[knotty oriole]

That wake up mash tho 😅 …

Very bad habit, but has its uses

[tall geode]

I’m taking about when I end a block string and then press 2B, assumed that’s what Howl was talking about too

[fickle plaza]

Yeah it’s just theorizing um I wouldn’t do that shit on wake up lmao I can use it as a parry off a jump in

[tall geode]

I’m more likely to wake up dp or block than press a button on wake up. Lots of other people mash on wake up tho

[knotty oriole]

I see. I’m used to “wake up mash” as pressing a button after being knocked down

[fickle plaza]

I get what you mean now

[tall geode]

Yeah I meant if your opponent respects your reversal and doesn’t go for meaty, then 2B > 2A is a good option

[tall geode]

Yeah that’s what it means to me too, I don’t really do that tho? I get caught by a hop (daru eljay) if I get greedy after a block string but been blown up too many times mashing mindlessly. If I have a big life lead and they’re almost dead you might see me do it on wake up but that’s low risk high reward imo

[knotty oriole]

Wake up 2B has been witnessed a lot because you’ve been trying to stuff the run up throw, but a good run up hop has beaten it. It’s the good old KOF RPS at work. I adapted to your adaptation, but I know you’ll find answers as well. That’s the beauty of FGs, especially with our training sessions.

[fickle plaza]

Yeah but he’s just talking about options from her block strings staggers not oki

I would never do that shit on wake up it’s a death sentence rather just dp

A bit of confusion I had to clear up you lost me at meatys we weren’t talking about options on wake up

[torpid grotto]

No it doesn’t annoy me actually it’s pretty cool lol. It’s a bad habit however we both know I’m not good enough to stop it lol. I’ll tell you to stop because better players will but by all means keep doing it against me. Win by all means. Also It’s always smokes turn is a good meme

[tall geode]

Howl was talking about me stealing turns/not waiting my turn and I only do that after block strings because if I’m knocked down it’s definitely not my turn

[torpid grotto]

You do it on wake up as well

With bobert and Kula

[tall geode]

DP’ing on wake up is stealing my turn? 🤔

[fickle plaza]

Ahh ok I get you yeah you confused the duck outta me I was like idk what this has to do with BM block string 😂

[tall geode]

It’s a pretty good meme tho can’t argue there. If you’re talking about me getting blown up by daru check the tapes, he’s hopping after I finish a block string bc he picked up on my habit quick. It’s why he called me and you out on it @torpid grotto

[torpid grotto]

No 2b on wake up lol

[smoky parcel]

He's not the only one who does this.

[torpid grotto]

Yeah but like I said bro do what you must to win, you know real recognize real and so far only trip looking mad unfamiliar

[torpid grotto]

On god trip a bot

Nah but lol I look like I don’t even know where my 2b is compared to smoke lol

[smoky parcel]

Well when you have Robert with some good ass buttons..

[torpid grotto]

Luong does too’

Angel stubby ass

[smoky parcel]

Exactly.

[tall geode]

Or Kula. 2B was a great option

[torpid grotto]

Holding me back ong

[smoky parcel]

Fax. Kyo stubby as shit too I spam rekka

[torpid grotto]

Kula 2b > Kof cast all options

[tall geode]

Part of why I dropped her || it definitely wasn’t the bullying ||

[smoky parcel]

Imma drop her too

[fickle plaza]

I’m soo confused

[torpid grotto]

About your sexuality

[fickle plaza]

So daru short hops after a block string because you greeedy motherfuckers like to steal your turns with a crouching normal when you’re barely plus?

[torpid grotto]

Even when we’re negative

You’re only minus if you’re a bitch right @tall geode

[fickle plaza]

Oh ok

Well I anti air super late

[tall geode]

I’m confused on this bc you don’t go for run up throw when I’m knocked down? Prob because I’d wake up throw you lol. Agree I do try and stop run up throw when I’m standing because I know you use it to start your corner game

[fickle plaza]

@smoky parcel any bad habits from me

[smoky parcel]

The same ones I have

[fickle plaza]

Which are

[tall geode]

What I should do is use the standing OS to tech the throw or get close C. But need to train my reactions more

[torpid grotto]

We all have bad habits however as of now you’re up so I can’t talk lol

[fickle plaza]

I think daru fell asleep

[tall geode]

Also that gets beat by run up low so yeah KOF RPS in a nutshell

[torpid grotto]

Bro it’s been 1 minute chill

[fickle plaza]

He was typing and stopped u stupid bitch

Pay attention

[vagrant plaza]

Thanks

[fickle plaza]

Howl I swear

Just because you’re a mod

[torpid grotto]

What say it

[fickle plaza]

Ok

[vagrant plaza]

I can’t tell whether or not you two hate each other or just mess about

[fickle plaza]

I will

[torpid grotto]

I hate this mf to death

[fickle plaza]

||IT||

[torpid grotto]

Banned

You’re gone

[fickle plaza]

Bro howl is so annoying

[torpid grotto]

thanos snap

[fickle plaza]

I can’t stand this fella

[torpid grotto]

Ong trip can’t critically think

[vagrant plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

[torpid grotto]

I fix it

[fickle plaza]

Howl you’re 5’4 shut up

[torpid grotto]

Trip can’t think

.

[vagrant plaza]

Imma just hand back, I already pissed off Cien, so.

Yeh. Imma go to bed

[torpid grotto]

Lol how’d you manage that

[vagrant plaza]

I was being a dumb ass

He wanted to know when did Dyl join, because he never noticed him. I said he was here since he was born.

[fickle plaza]

Lmao

[vagrant plaza]

And then he called me a punkass.

[torpid grotto]

Come on man trolling our cien

Only the entirety of the server is allowed to do that lol

[fickle plaza]

Howl used his mod powers to check

Me personally I didn’t care I just gave a default response💀

[vagrant plaza]

When I look at Trip’s text, you know what I see?

I see a man, whose in dire need

For HOT HANDS.

[fickle plaza]

I’m actually under like two blankets

We warm over here

As for my controller that bitch is definitely not warm

[vagrant plaza]

Yeah no, if your ass is doing anything outside, get a back.

[torpid grotto]

But not while gaming

https://tenor.com/view/cold-freezing-stay-safe-sick-warm-gif-20092607

Trip rn

[vagrant plaza]

Back. My dumbass, I meant to say pack.

[torpid grotto]

You can edit messages then gaslight people into thinking you said it right the first time even though it says edited

That’s my go to

[fickle plaza]

I understood u

I should be getting a heater soon like in a couple of days

[vagrant plaza]

No one understands me! MCR music starts playing

[fickle plaza]

It’s no big deal

[vagrant plaza]

Well that’s good!

[fickle plaza]

Dramatizing things is fun except I deadass can’t really play 💀💀💀💀

[vagrant plaza]

Fuck, I can’t wait to get my present. So impatient.

Am I allowed to swear btw? Specifically with that word?

[fickle plaza]

Yeah I call howl a fucking whore

[vagrant plaza]

Cool

[fickle plaza]

I just haven’t as of late

[smoky parcel]

Yo let's play fighters

[torpid grotto]

No

Swearing is a bannable offense

Fudge

Is the only acceptable word

And used too much can get you banned

||frick|| is bannable on the spot

[fickle plaza]

No thanks daru how tf are you not passed out you’re drunk the whole day

[torpid grotto]

For more context please refer to article #39 at #rules

[fickle plaza]

Well it says I can cuss at you if I don’t actually hate you so

I guess I’m not cussing no more

[torpid grotto]

But you do

So

Banned

[fickle plaza]

U started it

You called me a pussy

[smoky parcel]

Ngl. I took a nap

[fickle plaza]

And I was like bro who are u

[fickle plaza]

I’ll play later today

[vagrant plaza]

Well fuck.

[smoky parcel]

I'm not good.

[torpid grotto]

Drunk Daru be like, I’m not good with characters day 1

[vagrant plaza]

Daru were you really drinking?

[fickle plaza]

Yup he was

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-x-family-yor-yor-forger-loid-forger-a-mimir-gif-25631874

Daru rn

[fickle plaza]

Yo deadass this was daru

[vagrant plaza]

Lmao

A mimir

[smoky parcel]

I'm cool now, but earlier KOF was fun as shit

[vagrant plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/sobriety-is-a-fools-game-sober-drunk-addict-addiction-gif-13591825

^daru

It’s drunken master but it’s a dude playing KOF

[fickle plaza]

I can’t even play anyways my internet is smoking itself rn

[smoky parcel]

Who was the old drunk dude in KOF lol

[vagrant plaza]

And im worn a out after barely finishing a Christmas gift for a friend

[vagrant plaza]

Was it Choi? Forgot his name.

Got lucky I finished it once it was officially christmas

[smoky parcel]

Idk

[scarlet delta]

That was Chin gentsai

[wanton sierra]

Oh you never pissed me off

I just didn't use my phone much cuz I was at a party

[vagrant plaza]

Matches were fun. Finally was able to use that stomp move yamazaki uses.

[knotty oriole]

<@&1020150383139631124> anyone around for 1v1?

[livid knot]

Me

Invite me

[knotty oriole]

Oops wrong channel. I’m not on yet, just doing some Christmas clean up. I’ll be on in 10-15 min

[fickle plaza]

#1021451554739462258

Next time I’m banning u

[livid knot]

[wanton sierra]

So to summarize:
Kula is stupid
K' is what nightmares are made of
And Kyo I feel like is slowly learning to deal with my bs

[smoky parcel]

What about you

[wanton sierra]

I just got back into the game today but not even 24hs ago I was godly on the sticks

You said it earlier that it felt like fighting UI

I wonder what happened

Er

12hrs

I'm trying to move around more and use more lights but a few things:
King 5B is a lot shorter than it looks
Beni is beni
And Shermie I need to stop gambling on that reversal, even while I'm joking

It's just so good too hit

Even if it gets me killed

Call it idiotic but that shit will always be a threat as long as I'm playing Shermie, I just wish it wouldn't kill me on honest mistakes too

Like it crossup situations

It never felt like I got it deep enough to a mental stack to use her Grab more and it might be the rust but I still can't pressure you for shit

Idk if that's just you specifically or me bad but what am I even supposed to do on wake up since "just being close" doesn't exactly fit the bill

[smoky parcel]

I wonder the same things sometimes

[wanton sierra]

Beni has the stubbiest dp I think, King's sucks, and shermie has no true safe reversal options

[smoky parcel]

How about block

[wanton sierra]

Maybe I'm being too aggressive but you seem to pick the best times to run in throw

[smoky parcel]

Watch what happens

[wanton sierra]

You throw me

Or we just sit there for a few seconds

And I'm still in the corner too

[smoky parcel]

Exactly.

[wanton sierra]

Yeah but then what?

[smoky parcel]

It depends on what is going on

[wanton sierra]

I can't exactly roll for free

Challenging hardly seems to work and I'm at a severe disadvantage

Being in the corner

And if I bee to aggressive I just get smacked out of the scramble

I'm not upset or anything that's just what it feels like to me, I could be 100% wrong

Be too* aggressive

[smoky parcel]

I would want to refer you to someone who is more tech specific, I kinda just do something and see what happens

[wanton sierra]

Yeah fair

But I wish I could've played like I did earlier

Now that was a good set

[smoky parcel]

Minus the Chris drops which I still suffer from its cool I'll get it. I'm not crazy about the character tbh

Orochi Shermie and Chris are cool

[wanton sierra]

I mean I don't think I landed one beni combo yet today either

But that's a gripe

Didn't feel like I was opening you up at all just getting some stray hits and punishes

And what else..

[smoky parcel]

That's why you aren't comboing

[wanton sierra]

Bruh

When I try to go in I get smacked out of it everytime

[smoky parcel]

No you don't lol

[wanton sierra]

Bro what

[smoky parcel]

My air defense is like a C

You got that

[wanton sierra]

If I could hop that'd be great

If I could hop consistently

[smoky parcel]

Learn to hop

[wanton sierra]

No shit, sherlock

I'll do my best

[smoky parcel]

Lol. Try going for some 2bs

That'll help too

Some lows and whatnot

[wanton sierra]

Apparently beni's is one of the best and I still want abt to use it

[wanton sierra]

Nah bruh cuz I def was trying to but you managed to hop over what efelt like most of them

Assuming you were being cornered

Again this is just from my pov

Like I tried using 2D but you managed to hop over like 80% of them as K'

Not to mention that none of the characters I play, minus Beni, can chain the move into itself

2b*

[smoky parcel]

Shermie you don't need to

[wanton sierra]

Yeah but to get anything off of it I need to either 2A or 5B

And if I'm too far it'll miss

[smoky parcel]

One is enough

Like for Terry

2B 2A into whatever then you die of Buster Wolf

[wanton sierra]

Yeah like me as a player can hit confirm off of one 2b

I'm not there just yet

[smoky parcel]

Ok. Well there is a solution.

[wanton sierra]

Yeah but it's a tall order

[smoky parcel]

Is it really?

[wanton sierra]

For me?

Yeah

It currently is

[smoky parcel]

Why is that

[wanton sierra]

Cuz I'm never expecting it to hit off the bat

And then once I am expecting the situation hardly comes up again

And trying to force it makes me hella predictable

Like with shimmy run ups and the ljke

[smoky parcel]

Excuses really.

There are people here that you've beaten that can do light confirms

[wanton sierra]

Hey I'm no God at this game

[smoky parcel]

Never said that you were

But realistically there is a solution to your complaint

[wanton sierra]

Yeah, and Oli beats them too and he doesn't even combo often

I'm not complaining, it's what I observed today

Obvi imma try to remember this for next time

[smoky parcel]

I think you should learn some light confirms

[wanton sierra]

I'm just saying based on previous experience

[wanton sierra]

And this I've been trying for months

[smoky parcel]

Oh and hops too

Yeah those two things

[wanton sierra]

Well hops I've been trying to practice since I got this game and that's still shakey

[smoky parcel]

If you want I can go into practice online and give you demonstrations for your characters

Whenever

There are solutions

[wanton sierra]

I know most of their combos and bnbs

The problem is doing them

[smoky parcel]

Ok

[wanton sierra]

In a match*

I can't exactly think of how and when to use use them when I'm trying to come up with solutions, work around your characters, remember sapcing, anticipation of attack, stage positioning, Meter, life leads, characters discrepancies yadda yadda yadda

I know it sounds like excuses but it is a lot for me to try and keep track of

And that's just with the Characters I know

and remember hopping and light confirms and punishing and using system tools and so on an so forth

I'm not saying I won't try but like I still barely have a year into this game

Idk what I can be doing to try and improve faster than the pace I'm already on

The solution is right there but it feels like looking up a ravine and saying "yeah, the solution is to get to the top"

But I will do my best to apply what you've told me

Be sure on that

[torpid grotto]

@livid knot real talk

No trolling

In your personal opinion am I better or you got caught by gimmicks

[scarlet delta]

Will he troll u??

[torpid grotto]

Probably

[scarlet delta]

Find out next time on dbz

I’ve never actually heard him give criticism

[torpid grotto]

Yeah he DMs me to uninstall :kekzu:

[scarlet delta]

I think he’s kinda like Daru I think the only time he was like “wdy mean? You won?”

[livid knot]

An L is and L. If I dont know the matchup, that's sorta on me.

[torpid grotto]

Bro that’s not the question!

Do you think I’m better now? Or you just weren’t aware of the matchup

[livid knot]

Better.

[torpid grotto]

👉👈

Tonight?

[livid knot]

Not tonight

[livid knot]

||Well I mean its both but still, that's on me.||

[torpid grotto]

How much better

[livid knot]

I can't blame the matchup. LEARN THE MATCHUP

Or perish

[torpid grotto]

Hey bubs

Quick question

Have you played my Leona?

[livid knot]

Like a couple times

[torpid grotto]

I hang back too much with her

I’m stealing your fireball pressure tech

And I’m stealing Mac’s buster wolf on my angel

[abstract swift]

@scarlet delta try to mix hops in with Kyo, his jCD is very good. Just committed to the full jump every time

[livid knot]

I usually only do it on knockdown since the startup is 2 minutes.

[torpid grotto]

Yeah after overhead

How do you overhead out of block?

66?

[livid knot]

?

[abstract swift]

This you'd have to ask @smoky parcel but the man has a spidey sense when to start heavy rekka to armor through footsies n start his own offense

[torpid grotto]

Her overhead kick is like 6d or 6b I forgot

However when you crouch block

[livid knot]

4 or 6 B

[torpid grotto]

You charge

Ohhh

4b works?!

[livid knot]

Yup

[torpid grotto]

I never knew that

I’m such a bot

[livid knot]

[torpid grotto]

I always go for it and get point blank slice

[livid knot]

Yeah try 4B or just get used to resetting to neutral before doing 6B

[torpid grotto]

I figured since on cheat box I could just 66b

Out of block

[scarlet delta]

Yeah I was tryna hop more a lil back before I took a break have to start over again

Need to pressure w/ lights too

[smoky parcel]

Yeah it’s a gamble, worst that can happen is they jump I guess. If someone tries to fireball after knockdown or end of blockstring, I’ll usually try to muscle through if I can @scarlet delta

[scarlet delta]

☝️ this right here ✍️📝

[knotty oriole]

Both rekka starters are weak to lows iirc. If you see a Kyo fishing for that auto guard or always starts with that for pressure, try aiming low. Watch for hops though.

They only have upper body auto guard (armor)

[scarlet delta]

☝️ few know this

I don’t like rekka as pressure starter really it feels lazy

I’d rather rekka as mixup

[torpid grotto]

@smoky parcel @abstract swift feel free whenever you guys feel like blessing a low tier player with some advice

[smoky parcel]

I need some advice against Leona

[smoky parcel]

Vary your attack pattern. You usually do a couple moves on the ground then full jump. Mac was not going for it. He's a lot better at the anti air stuff than me

[torpid grotto]

I’ll write you the Bible in the morning yeah?

[smoky parcel]

Doesn't have to be long lol. I need to pick her for a little bit

[torpid grotto]

😔

Y’all had me playing past my bedtime

[lofty radish]

Her forward slash thing is very safe. Heavy version is -1, ex is -2, light is -3 on block but you can hit her before she reaches you. Earring bomb is PLUS on block. Don’t try to punish or press buttons after blocking

[smoky parcel]

This is the exact problem, she's safe so I'm just in there blocking

[lofty radish]

Yeah but you can hit her before the forward slash comes in

For earring bomb, startup is long so hit her before she tosses it

You got to be Patient against her as so much of her offense is safe

Your projectiles are better than hers

[smoky parcel]

Yeah seems it's no gimmicks to just get over on her. She's a very good character

[lofty radish]

Agree. She’s very underrated. She isn’t used more cause her combos require some execution and isn’t brain dead easy

[livid knot]

@smoky parcel ex slash is plus

[knotty oriole]

(4)6BD?

[livid knot]

Like +1 I think

[smoky parcel]

So all of them are safe

[livid knot]

I was about to say

I am totally wrong

[smoky parcel]

You can't grab them

[knotty oriole]

Pushback

[livid knot]

I'm a fraud

[smoky parcel]

Kinda like Shun then

[knotty oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/you-should-leave-now-father-russo-archive81-you-better-leave-get-out-of-here-gif-24970614

[livid knot]

You can sweep her out of it on reaction

[knotty oriole]

Yup. But shun can be punished low he tries to DP

[smoky parcel]

I don't have reaction

[livid knot]

[knotty oriole]

That is, his DP is low , so if he tries to steal a turn, sweep

[knotty oriole]

I just like to hit low if Shun players try to press anything after his blue orange hands

My numbers don’t care about that spicy play.

[knotty oriole]

Her grand saber run looks like regular run. Makes me respect it. I’ll have to lab it though to practice those reactions.

[livid knot]

Its not active until she reaches you.

[smoky parcel]

Yeah this is what, it looks like regular run but the distance determines if you get hit or not

Throws me off I be looking then I be blockin then I be

[knotty oriole]

If she does CD into grand saber, if you react quick enough, GC backroll that CD, then you punish that saber with a heavy normal combo

[knotty oriole]

Yeah I’m aware. My reactions are subpar, so just gonna respect it or counter/parry

[livid knot]

@smoky parcel wanted Leona advice and didnt come to me...

You think you know a guy.

[smoky parcel]

Tbh only reason I asked was a witty response to Howl but yeah you right. I should've said @livid knot how to anti run up Leona slash

[livid knot]

And I would have been like "🤓"

[knotty oriole]

If using Kyo, you can probably guard point that rekka starter

[smoky parcel]

Yeah most likely

[torpid grotto]

Sorry I couldn’t help 😔

L + Ratio + Worse Player + Cringe Sleep Schedule

[smoky parcel]

Use Mai 5D

[torpid grotto]

Great hop stopper

[smoky parcel]

In Corner when they jump in on you

[torpid grotto]

Ooh ok thanks

I’ve been using 5c

And cl.c tbh

[smoky parcel]

You jumped in on me, and O Chris 5D stopped it all

Mai should be able to do this as well

[torpid grotto]

Bruh O Chris stunned my growth, paused my credit lines, and denied me for a house loan

[smoky parcel]

Nope

[torpid grotto]

Lol your Chris is coming along nicely

Did the young Leona mains help you out with your questions

[smoky parcel]

Kinda. Will just need to keep playing

[torpid grotto]

Anything else you wanted to know bro?

[smoky parcel]

Not really. I've played as her, but barely.

[torpid grotto]

Ah got you, yeah basically just avoid her slash it’s super long on start up, bait moonslash like a dp. Bubs also overheads you and oki’s with her fireball I believe you can roll back

[torpid grotto]

Cl.B 6B 214C 2B 41236B 8B 66A 46B 6B 41236BD 8A 66C Hop CD, 46B 2B 2A

63214BD gives safe jump, can hyper hop j.b and still be safe

If opponent does not go for reversal, which can be blocked, you can go into 2b 2a 46b 2a (6b 236c or super cancel)

If reversal is blocked go for cl.d full combo

Certain dps like Kyo light dp are almost impossible to block

Hypothetically you can 214a quick cancel 2b 66a (46b 6b 41236BD 8A 66C, 63214B, {46D 6D 66D?})

Originally though of a Kyo punish however this would work in neutral, however mind it’s interruptible

If 2B is blocked and not rolled or interrupted you can also 6A(1) 66A, into convention

That would be an blocked low into overhead

Or 2b 2a 66A?

Lab required but that would be a blocked low into a second low

People tend to switch their guard when unsure of ángel block strings

Could potentially also 2b 41236b 6B 236c

Side switch

Besides 46K and 214P 3B and 3D are also unchain starters that need to be utilized more

46K 214P aren’t overhead or lows any guard will do Cl.D 6B on block if not rolled or GC’d will continue to be blocked. 3B is a low however and 3D is a slower overhead

J.A J.2B is also a great A2A not just combo starter

5C is a great poke

Can also launch QM if needed

5B 5D can stop hop ins

Potential ángel tech?

@smoky parcel

Half of it is concrete half requires some labbing

[smoky parcel]

Put all of them together and be all like: For Future Angel players

I'll pick her here and there, but not seriously. She's fun though, very

[torpid grotto]

I’m sorry y’all I know this is probably the wrong channel and this just looks like the ravings of a mad man lol

[smoky parcel]

Should definitely save this for future reference somewhere

[scarlet delta]

Howl why r you up rn too

[torpid grotto]

She’s fun and you definitely should however to play her serious she needs to be like your fav ever or she’s simply not worth it. So many more characters get more for less and you’re outworking yourself. She’s truly only worth it if you enjoy her

[scarlet delta]

It abt to be a lot of sleepy mfrs in SNK fighting games 😴

and I’m not talking meitenkun

[torpid grotto]

Idk dunc I couldn’t sleep lol

Daru and Mac left me shook

[scarlet delta]

Lol deadass dude???

[torpid grotto]

They said fuck yo j.c

[scarlet delta]

I’m at work lol

[torpid grotto]

No lol. Well yes I couldn’t sleep but I genuinely want to improve lol

No but actually yes

[scarlet delta]

They’ve shaken my brother to the heavens

[torpid grotto]

They’ve shaken howl to ||the lab||

[scarlet delta]

Bro been labbing all night

[torpid grotto]

What dropping Kula does to a mf

[smoky parcel]

I'm Kula player

[torpid grotto]

That doesn’t count

[scarlet delta]

catch me running Kula in 02UM later

[torpid grotto]

You main random select Daru

[smoky parcel]

I like it

[torpid grotto]

And you’re still really good with randoms lol

Day 1 Maxima be kicking my ass

[smoky parcel]

Maxima I tried out when I first got the game I just don't like the super slow characters like this

[torpid grotto]

Same, that’s why I like angel she’s speedy

[smoky parcel]

I need to play Yuri again, I legit haven't used her in forever

[torpid grotto]

Yuri is so fun

She moves sooo weird compared to the rest of the cast but really fun

[smoky parcel]

I don't like having multiple short normals on my team

Too much work

Chris can kill with 1 hit so it's worth

[torpid grotto]

Like a dp with a kick instead of punch is already a little off. Still pretty common but not the norm. Just to have a follow up that you need to time

Like k’ you just press at the end right? The timing is pretty forgiving

[smoky parcel]

For the Rugal players

[torpid grotto]

Or am I wrong

[smoky parcel]

For what

[torpid grotto]

K’ dp follow up

The flip kick he does at the top

[smoky parcel]

Yeah that is pretty easy just 1 button I think

Never can drop that

[torpid grotto]

Yeah yuri has to time it

And the continue to combo after

[smoky parcel]

For what?

[scarlet delta]

What 1 week of maining maxima does to a mfr

[torpid grotto]

Her dp

So something like 2b 2a 214AC 623BD 6c I think into dp or something

[smoky parcel]

The demon flip?

[torpid grotto]

She does dp kick into timed follow up into p2 dp

[torpid grotto]

Yeah

[smoky parcel]

I mean the timing is not that bad really

[torpid grotto]

That’s true

Skill issue

I just don’t have that much time on her lol

[smoky parcel]

Heavy DP flip into grab instantly just one button

[torpid grotto]

Oh she has grab follow up too right?

[smoky parcel]

Yeah that's the main bnb for a lot of stuff

[torpid grotto]

I always attempt the demon flip punch into dp

[smoky parcel]

If you want to not switch sides then sure

Grab does way more damage though

[torpid grotto]

Oh

Never knew

Thanks man

[scarlet delta]

I could never get that grab to hit when I’d try and mess around w/ her

[smoky parcel]

Got to be kinda quick really.

[torpid grotto]

Yeah yuri plays a different game

But she’s super fun

[scarlet delta]

Butt it 😳

[smoky parcel]

But it's not that bad once you get used to it lol

[scarlet delta]

Yuri plays tripps game

Troll time

[torpid grotto]

Trip dropped yuri lol

[scarlet delta]

and he dropped her

[torpid grotto]

He can’t stand himself

[scarlet delta]

No honor

[scarlet delta]

I couldn’t either if it was me to be fair

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

[smoky parcel]

Yeah she's weird so I get it

[torpid grotto]

Luong has a similar floaty ness to her jumps

But not on yuri level

[scarlet delta]

Luong da goat

[torpid grotto]

Hopping with luong can be tricky

[scarlet delta]

I’m picking up Luong now that everyone dropped her

[torpid grotto]

But you accidentally 5F with yuri and you jumped Texas from the Midwest

[scarlet delta]

Now she’s right next to me 🥰

[torpid grotto]

Hol up

After 66C in corner

You can 2c quick cancel 41236b neutral jump j.a

And you opponent is walled bounced to p1 side

However they still need to block p2 sided after the knockdown

Ángel players some cheaters fr fr

[smoky parcel]

Got to master finesse with a character like this

[torpid grotto]

Sometimes I wonder if I’m in the wrong and should play more honest characters

Like yashiro

Your o.Chris is coming in nicely btw

[smoky parcel]

Thanks. Your Leona is coming in nicely btw

[scarlet delta]

Yashiro always tells the truth

[torpid grotto]

Hopefully she’s a real threat soon

I need to stop over relying on angel

proceeds to lab angel

[smoky parcel]

Why you put Angel Anchor

[torpid grotto]

I improve more when I play a character point

So if I want to focus on mai

I’ll place her point

Optimally if like this a money match (not for real money ofc) it’s Ángel/Leona/Mai

[smoky parcel]

Yeah I was doing the same for Chris I just said fuck it put him Anchor we'll see what happens

[torpid grotto]

Yeah point tech helps lol but sometimes we meter broke

[worn arch]

ahem She is taken…

[torpid grotto]

I found it!

Ok so correction

[torpid grotto]

By me btw

[worn arch]

Instead of a money match, we need a Mai match

Battle for Shiranui Supremacy!

[scarlet delta]

Keep Mai…. I’ll take Billy from u 🤡

[torpid grotto]

But it’s Cld 6b 214c 2b 41236b 8B 66A 46D 6D 41236BD 8A 66c hop CD

46b 6b will make 8a drop

[torpid grotto]

We need this

[torpid grotto]

That ok I does 406 damage

Keeps P1 side

[scarlet delta]

bro is still up 😭

Mods never sleep…

[torpid grotto]

Can be followed up with 214a 2b…

[torpid grotto]

Bro I literally just labbed that shit till my wrist gave out

Now it’s time for work 😔

The ultimate howl nerf

[scarlet delta]

Bro stayed up all night and is going to work

L

[torpid grotto]

Nah I woke up at 4:30

I had a good 3 hours of power sleep

https://tenor.com/view/sheldon-cooper-bbt-sleep-i-dont-need-sleep-gif-5115394

Howl probably

[scarlet delta]

The answer: don’t always do J.c

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-no-banned-and-you-are-explode-gif-16047504

[smoky parcel]

Yo fr bro what a ||human||

[torpid grotto]

Lol Daru uses human as a compliment because he is a vampire

Staying up for him is the same as sleeping for us

[smoky parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/tekken-eliza-falling-asleep-gif-14378125

[torpid grotto]

Eliza is goated fr

[scarlet delta]

said no one ever

[torpid grotto]

I love liking characters nobody else does

[scarlet delta]

bro I’m gonna post the meme on this one

[knotty oriole]

#1051573097184108585

[scarlet delta]

Mods wrecking mods over here

[torpid grotto]

The favoritism is outstanding

[wanton sierra]

@dim shadow

Talk to me

How'd I do?

And where can I improve?

[dim shadow]

I fucked up a lot in that set too, dropping easy combo's like a dipshit. Not talking about K' yet. Your Reg Shermie was annoying as hell with the leg grab on wake-up

Things to improve on I saw the neutral we talked about early being implemented which is good!

[wanton sierra]

Shermie leg grab (214C specifically) is Ground invul

Meaning it beats meaties f1

It's basically my only invul reversal so I throw it out when in sure you'll try to pressure me on the ground

There's a reason Oli said it's a bad gamble though, since it's a hitgrab

If I whiff it you have enough time to run in from full screen to punish me

Like I mean

You see it, wait, run in, and still get the punish

It's like -66 or smth

[knotty oriole]

I can be a bad gamble, but against mashers, especially on wake up… i like to disrespect them to, hopefully, condition them to stop mashing

That dp on their wake up is spicy, but I’m trying to teach lessons here lol … grappler hard read mentality

[dim shadow]

Oh yeah that move is death on block and whiff haha

You can run full screen and jump 2 times, still getting a punish 😂

[wanton sierra]

Ikr

To me that's stupid

Like obvi make it punishableb

But not like THAT!

[lofty radish]

If you want to make the hit grab have less recovery then the super followups needs to be heavily scaled for how easy it is to cancel to them. For example, canceling into climax should only do around 350 damage (this includes the damage from the hitgrab itself) which is less than doing the climax raw. This is the same damage that you get when you cancel climax from heidern’s cross slash. Same with canceling into level 1 kick super into lvl 2 grab super. Should be only around 350 damage

[wanton sierra]

Yeah

But FULL SCREEN, Oliver

I'm not asking for much, I just shouldn't die from doing it accidentally when I want to do Axel Kick or something the like

What other special move in the game is punishable from full screen?

[smoky parcel]

Tbh this is the consequence of poor reversals. DP wrong you get punished. She's a grappler with hella good buttons and options and all that. you don't necessarily even have to do this. Maybe that's why they made it like this.. Lol you know how much damage Sherm puts out dude

[worn arch]

The only flaw in your logic is the existence of Krohnen. Other than that you 100% correct.

[wanton sierra]

@dim shadow so... am I ever getting my review or is it lost to the wind like the Ashes of the dead?

[dim shadow]

Bruh 😂 it's been two days in a row, results doesn't happen that fast Hun 🥰

[scarlet delta]

Classic cherry

[wanton sierra]

No didn't you say you were gonna review the set we had?

Or did you already?

[dim shadow]

I did 😂😂

[wanton sierra]

Bruh wut?

Damn I must be tripping

[dim shadow]

I reviewed so much I can't review another because it's the same 😂

[wanton sierra]

I'm sorry, I must be thinking of smth else

My b, luv

[torpid grotto]

@vast vine any advice from what you saw

[vast vine]

What? Dude we went 3-0 all of our matches, I can't give you advice 😂

[torpid grotto]

I hate mfs like you

You a @livid knot ass mf

[vast vine]

Ok I'll give you advice, uninstall

[torpid grotto]

Thank you!

[vast vine]

I was a bubbles alt all along

[torpid grotto]

Fuck face 🙄

[vast vine]

Dumb fuck

[torpid grotto]

“I lost so suddenly I have no knowledge of the game and can’t give objective advice”

Y’all annoy me

[vast vine]

Nah fr fr, you have improved a lot

One advice would be stop being so predictable with how you start matches

And how you wake up

[torpid grotto]

Mai nado

[vast vine]

You did see that I read your wake ups with clark

Usually forward roll, or just duck or lows

[torpid grotto]

Oh yeah

I suck asssssss against grapplers

Your Clark had the easiest time

[vast vine]

Once I know how to deal with Mai you're done boi

[rocky bloom]

Just wanted to remind everyone, all my homies hate Clark

[vast vine]

You guys just jealous

[scarlet delta]

Clark the goat

[torpid grotto]

Oh yeah I might need to use 2 characters

All my homies love mai

[vast vine]

Now the easiest part, give me some feedback

[torpid grotto]

Hard

Because of lot of it is rust

So I’m trying to think without poking at stuff you already know/do but just didn’t ya know?

I would say stop being predictable with ryo counter

Bubs does the same

Hell dp my fans everytime

Or do that weird flame thing

It can be punished full screen

Yea I will agree it’s kinda outlandish and nobody does it besides me lol. But it’s a good habit in general. If your opponent can accurately predict your patterns, they will reach in their toolbox and punish

Clark no advice

You were trolling lol but because it works against me I know you don’t normally play like that

Just nail down the A2A ex tackle convert

Even before your massive break you weren’t 100 with it

[vast vine]

hides the new and improved Clark guide
Yeah I didn't think you would notice

Thanks, for the feedback, I mean I know what I'm lacking I just need to sit down and train

Haven't touch the lab in months

[torpid grotto]

Also low confirms

Your ryo needs a jump in, or counter punish

[vast vine]

Low confirms and cross ups I need to work on

[torpid grotto]

He does not get anything off any other way

Makes him easier to deal with

Maybe a raw ex fireball here and there

But your ryo has no low confirms

Your nessa actually does

[vast vine]

Yes and no

[torpid grotto]

Well that you used tbf

[vast vine]

I can go 2b2a 214BD

[torpid grotto]

I did say this is why giving you advice is a bit tricky

Because it might be stuff you already do just rust

[vast vine]

I'm not using low confirms but I know I should

[torpid grotto]

Yeah

But you got solid fundies

Other than that

Idk drop Clark

Pick up mai

It literally boost your credit score

So idk 🤷🏻‍♂️

[vast vine]

I will actually pick up mai

For me to know how to counter her, gotta know her tools

[torpid grotto]

With Clark

Lol

[torpid grotto]

Bro

All her buttons

God like

[vast vine]

We'll see

[torpid grotto]

Every play dance dance revolution?

[vast vine]

Yes

[torpid grotto]

Do that on your hitbox with mai

win

profit

That’s how you play mai lol

[vast vine]

steps on hitbox
Like this?

[torpid grotto]

Now you’re a newly minted mai main

Congrats

[vast vine]

Thanks

[torpid grotto]

Use this with responsibility

[rocky bloom]

Mai's sliding sweep is great because people forget the second hit all the time 😅

[torpid grotto]

You can 2c 3d for a combo

Even if you miss 2c

[dim shadow]

@smoky parcel since I may be coming back to KOF how was I? Mainly Angel and Dinosaur.

If I actually play n grind hard I'll be strong within a week or 2

[smoky parcel]

Anti airs were pretty solid for the most part, space control in the midrange with Dino was ridiculous against my stubby as characters lol. Angel was oppressive and I got to a point where I feel like I was respecting a little too hard.

Mix was OD I was trying to keep track of where she was

[dim shadow]

My actual mains are Angel, King, Heidern Nako, Kukri Ash and Dino with Sleepy Boy. My most used team is Angel,King Heidern.

Thanks! Still good to know that I'm somewhat oppressive still even though I dick around most of the time. You were respecting a tad bit yeah, I was doing quick mix to stop you from wasting meter on GC and Rolling on me

Everyone GC on Angel which I understand but the meter isn't worth it because I can have you in that same situation in a second

[smoky parcel]

Yeah I usually dont do it

I know when the grab reset is coming I guess I just gotta hold that

[dim shadow]

Oh definitely! Haha you had nice rolls until I did the double crossover pressure 💀

You and Tricky are the only ones that I pressured that way same to change the pace just holding back so I took advantage on it

[torpid grotto]

@livid knot @lofty radish any tips

Also bubs

You won

“sO nOw YoU cAn GiVe AdViCe”

[lofty radish]

Yes why did you go back to Luong when you swore that you’re done with her

[torpid grotto]

Just for fun

[lofty radish]

[torpid grotto]

It was actually no pressure situation me and bubbly were vibing today

It was a toss up between luong and Kula

But I asked bubs to go mains

So I knew Kula wasn’t up to snuff

But I also tried thena!

[lofty radish]

You need to lock in your full team and don’t switch

Otherwise you’ll never be ready for frosty

[torpid grotto]

You’re right

I’m sorry oli

Won’t happen again 🫡

But me and bubs we’re having fun tbf

Also @lofty radish me and bubs we’re a lot closer today than I had hoped

[lofty radish]

It was pretty even

[torpid grotto]

I genuinely thought he was gonna dunk me tonight

[fickle plaza]

How’d it go against bubbles

[torpid grotto]

Pretty even

I think we did like 4 5 sets

I could be wrong on scores if I am bubs correct me

But it was like 3-0 0-3 2-3 2-3 3-2 3-2

He won most of them but they were even

[dim shadow]

@vagrant plaza the amount of times you roll is INSANE, you seriously gotta turn down the rolling man. Not sure how much you play so I'm being lenient 😅

[vagrant plaza]

You’re not the first

Tricky and rest said the same

I did it again. Dammit.

[livid knot]

I tried so many times to throw you out of your rolls that I read but no grab came out. Just a whiffed normal i get punished for

What did i do wrong?

[torpid grotto]

We’re you running? On run it can be tricky maybe try going for an opposite

So if you’re holding back go for forward c/d

And vice versa

I have this issue too though

[livid knot]

I'm sure I'm holding forward

Also is Mai plus on that five spin thingy?

I can't contest it

[torpid grotto]

Yes

[lofty radish]

It’s plus if meaty

[torpid grotto]

Frame trap

[lofty radish]

So yes

[torpid grotto]

Don’t fall for it

[lofty radish]

Don’t press buttons

[torpid grotto]

Resist mai embrace Rugal

[lofty radish]

Mai knowledge check. It’s her version of Leona grand saber

[livid knot]

I'm talking like 2a 2a > fire spin

How do I take my turn back? If it even is?

[torpid grotto]

Unless in the corner she has no real follow ups

2a will reach once which won’t combo

2c too far and 3d follow up can be interrupted

She has to poke re hop or run in

Hmmmm would have to lab

But go for nuetral jumps

And if mai hops go for light A2A

[livid knot]

Yeah that bears that safe slide too right?

[torpid grotto]

Mai will smack you with a j.cd

But if she’s re hopping

Chances are she won’t go for it

Sorry j.cd I mean

[livid knot]

She goes through Kroh ex. Dp. Like...

Come œn

[torpid grotto]

As she should

[livid knot]

Or it trades.

[torpid grotto]

Yeah that’s bs

Mai should win

Is bubs gonna complain that mai busted lol

Jk bubs you’re the goat

@livid knot wait for the mai buffs

[livid knot]

Woah woah. Im just saying any ex dp should win. I even got clipped a few times when i did genocide cutter on Angel. Like I dunno why that even happens. Its full inv

[torpid grotto]

I’m trolling you lol

Yeah

I agree

However

Waifu buttons too stronk

[livid knot]

Me rn during another Leona crisis.

[torpid grotto]

Why Leona crisis?

[livid knot]

Can't open peeps up. Was having trouble doing the Bnb out if nowhere. Doing the 2b bnb confirm is real inconsistent for me

Even in the lab.

[torpid grotto]

2b 5a nade

Also

Hop c let them block

Into another hop c cross up

[livid knot]

2b - 5A -2C - 4/6B

[livid knot]

Super hop?

[torpid grotto]

Regular will do

[livid knot]

Because I do the double hop all the time and it doesnt cross up

[torpid grotto]

But you can always incorporate super hops

You gotta angle it

[knotty oriole]

Is there a reason you go for the throw rather than the roll punish?

[livid knot]

In this case with Leona I have issues doing that

Light confirm is very range dependant.

And heavy, well that can be done.

[knotty oriole]

Perhaps something simple like 2A 2A moonslash? Or 2C 6B?

If 2C connects from max distance, will 6B link?

[livid knot]

2c 6b sounds better.

[livid knot]

It should.

[knotty oriole]

Then yes, 2C 6B might be the way, especially if you’re already waiting for the roll

You’ll have more time to react rather than a throw

[livid knot]

And yeah I'm trying my best to not do simple moon slash confirms because I'm trying to force the optimal stuff.

[knotty oriole]

That’s what i need to reinforce because i suck at low lights to command normal

[livid knot]

Thats why you see me drop the 2c after 2b - 5A

Instead of settling for the easy one.

[knotty oriole]

Yeah I’d settle for the easier one … that way you at least can 6B route

[livid knot]

Not just on the rolls. I mean in general when I'm going for lights to mix people up. But I end up dropping usually.

[knotty oriole]

Gotcha

[tall geode]

Yo this happens to me too and I don’t get it, like sometimes my character will straight up turn around like “Can I help you sir or ma’am?”

[livid knot]

yeah the normals I whiffed let howl jump c with angel on me for free damage.

[tall geode]

Yeah supposedly some characters have OS’s to catch rolls. Best I’ve been able to do is Shun dash punch or fireball but I know it’s full punishable

Something about the roll makes your character side switch if you’re right on top of them

Angels get depressed if they can’t j.C cross up you gotta deny it, AA with normals works well plus there’s a certain range they’ll almost always go for it. At the risk of sounding douchey take her in the lab. It’s how I figured out how to beat her air to air j.D

[fickle plaza]

That’s how it be

I’m just like I wanna kms

In the video game which is what you’re literally doing if you whiff against angel

[livid knot]

Douchy? nah

[tall geode]

Ok cool. I don’t mind being told to lab stuff either but some folks can have a weird reaction to it

[fickle plaza]

I used to have this one friend I met on for honor we was playing tekken 7 and I would destroy him and he wouldn’t practice and rage and I told him he should practice and got mad deleted and blocked me

[tall geode]

Lol exactly some people act like you stole their lunch money and flipped off Mom

[fickle plaza]

Fr

[smoky parcel]

Kula huh.. 👀

[livid knot]

Ima be his successor

[torpid grotto]

Same

[tall geode]

@dull bone The couple things that stood out to me were:

1. You had a tendency to press big normals (C or D) on wake up. Ideally you should block, once I caught onto this my safe jumps starting connecting into big damage

2. Lots of really hard reads/guesses on special moves especially with buster wolf. I get it, it feels awesome when I connects but I’d like you to go back and watch our replays and actually count out how many you did versus how many hit. See if you’re ok with that ratio of success

3. I think Blue Mary was your best character, against me at least. But don’t do the same (unsafe) setups with her, after the second time of you going for EX hop grab after sweeping me I could safely bet you’d do it again and again. Safe setups/block strings are fine to repeat because they’re safe

4. Just keep playing, especially here. I’ve only been on this server since October and everyone who’s stuck around has gotten noticeably better

[dull bone]

I'll try and work on all that. Thanks for le feedback

[torpid grotto]

@smoky parcel seems like nessa is finally contributing

[smoky parcel]

you may have got me, but I was just playing carelessly

The slide in and the whiffed machine gun punches idk may be a way to stop that if you do it a lot

[torpid grotto]

Nah, I meant she was doing actually doing something. In terms of wins today was a training session for me I didn’t care about that

[torpid grotto]

Yeah so I really need to stop doing the machine gun punches on block

As for the slide it’s safe max distance

Which I didn’t always do

But yeah if I can learn to use it more efficiently I should be ok

For her machine gun punches though only combos. Her command normals take 30 years plus that long ass animation

You’re asking for a high interest rate guard cancel time share

You’re always a good training partner though slouching or not

When you tell me you’re serious we can count wins and rounds 😉

[smoky parcel]

I see the Vanessa players just jabbing at you then weave then just moving very fast she just does stuff smoke and mirrors

[torpid grotto]

Kinda

The weave makes her safe

So it’s half for show half technical

[torpid grotto]

She’s way less gimmicky than you might think, I would tell you give her a shot but I can’t in good faith lol. This current patch if you need to be a specialist chiz got you, and if you want to struggle with neutral ángel has her problems but with more options lol.

Ángel is a only commit if you love the character, Nessa is only commit if you like losing

Lol but imma make her work

[unique fjord]

@tall geode If you're around at any point I'd love to get your thoughts on that Yuri match-up and what I could do differently. If not no worries

[tall geode]

She’s really really new as you could prob tell so I’m still learning a lot myself. Yuri is very strong in the sky + AA, over half her moves are either airborne or beat her opponents airborne attacks. Her j.D is an insane cross up, that and j.CD have huge forward hit boxes. So far I’ve struggled against players who can maintain constant unrelenting pressure, if she slips away it’s back to her game on her terms so if you get a hit I’d do what you can to maximize advantage or kill

[fickle plaza]

@dim shadow HIT ME WITH IT HUN🥰😤

[knotty oriole]

Yup. If anyone wants to main a low tier, commit without complaining everyday lol. Doing so may only slow your progress with said character.

Just make it work

[fickle plaza]

This me after I lose with yuri 💀

Even though she’s not low tier

Id say she’s hard to use because how short her buttons are

[knotty oriole]

I get it, but that means your movement and spacing needs work… also a button press isn’t always needed.

#powerofnothingness -Eljay

Done with the boomer lecture. Back to my cave. Hope all is well everyone.

[tall geode]

Hope the same for you and yours. It’s been tough to follow the power of nothingness, done some public rooms lately and bah gawd people are pressing buttons on wake-up. Like just doing stuff its legit gnarly. All the best miss you eljay

[dim shadow]

Your stagger pressure is quite good! Esp with Luong, you've always been super comfortable with her! 2b run 2b really. You had some very solid TG's also I was jumping without thinking and got clipped which is good on your part, also I really like how you're using her J.A for cross up mix! Isla: still could mix your options in the air. Everything you did I could have rolled and I did roll with Angel but no one else 🤣 I still HATE the dp into super it's just a waste of bar that Luong NEEDS, if you're going to waste meter and trivial things then don't have Isla on point. BM: I still have KOF14 nightmares of this hoe 💀 really enjoyed how you slowed it down vs my Dino and Ash because any hit I'd do would be massive. Your QM is good as normal no real issues Luong and Mary has always been your strongest characters.

Overall, start hopping in pressure and not just when your getting zoned or got a A2A, because your understanding the staggered game now implement the delay 2C, 2A/B, hop. One thing with Luong though after her heavy 214D stop doing GC because you saw that it never hit me. I can react to GC on occasion with a hop. Do her CD or the geki.

Next time we play don't be a lil bitch 🥰 fuck my shit up if I'm trolling force. I'm gonna stop if I really start losing like last night. You were up 3 games and I still came back regardless of what u call "trolling" so that says something 🫶👌 over all I'll always love that BM and Luong man 🥰 they're my fav for you. No love for Isla

[torpid grotto]

Always

[fickle plaza]

Thank you very much imma beat your ass with your little zone back dash back dash back dash backdash super tbag how tf you do it so fast?! I appreciate the advice I gotta hit the BM combos though🙃

[dim shadow]

SonicFox taught me the infamous Tbag 😂

[fickle plaza]

Idk how to deal with this cat and mouse zoning game you do im just LIKE GET OVER HERE SO I CAN HIT YOU REALLY HARD

Even though my yuri ass her fireballs was getting u

[dim shadow]

I can play aggressive if you want me to 💀 you've seen me be aggressive also that's only because you can jump with her

Take out the Jump, you're a sitting duck 😂

[fickle plaza]

No keep playing that way never accommodate to me

[fickle plaza]

Hey NO i whiff punished you like 2 times cleanly in 15 games

[dim shadow]

Did we play that many games?

🤔

Felt longer 😂

[fickle plaza]

Idk tbh it was only longer cuz you kept running away and just waiting for me to extend my hitbox so you could embarrass me

Also don’t pick Ramon

Until the patch

Against me I feel pathetic fighting him 💀

Cuz he just dies after doing 5% every hit

[dim shadow]

Aye! Ramon is an ok character I'm just bad at the game

[fickle plaza]

@lofty radish any advice from yesterdays fight? Also that roll into command grab with Clark is toxic and unexpected 💀💀💀

[lofty radish]

First off, I think you are a better player than me. I just got lucky with those 2 games. No huge advice really as you got your mix down. Be careful jumping in on Meiten as that’s how I get my biggest damage with him (hops should work though against him and against me in general). For the Clark roll. Just do crouching lights when I roll and it’ll beat my rolls. Hopping or jumping against Clark beats a lot of what I do but you know that already

[torpid grotto]

@livid knot see see look.

Regardless of who won or whose better

Oli still offers advice

Because oli is good person

[lofty radish]

You should have seen my miracle win in that first game. Tripp dropped 3 different combos for the kill leaving me with a magic pixel. And he still would have won if he just blocked and let time ran out since there’s like 6 seconds left. But for some reason, he ran forward and got hit with a pillow for the kill

[torpid grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-x-family-yor-yor-forger-loid-forger-a-mimir-gif-25631874

Oli putting mfs to sleep

Yeah trip has a patience issue

[livid knot]

Hey Howl any advice for me on the SFV matches from yesterday? 🤓

[torpid grotto]

Yeah

[livid knot]

Bnb

[torpid grotto]

Lab your chun combos more get them down pat