Gacha hell

[rocky palm]

I saw an insane edit of something anby says in game

I'm not allowed to repeat it here for legal reasons, but this gives me similar vibes

Chaotic evil Anby

[muted tundra]

was it on reddit

[reef elm]

Well now I wanna know

Yeah I kinda agree her gameplay kinda underwhelming

[rocky palm]

mayhaps

[muted tundra]

also I realized something after playing evelyn

Miyabi is boring af

[rocky palm]

I think Evelyn is kind of just mad fun

She has some crazy rotations

Idk how Miyabi plays though

[muted tundra]

she is like the most straightforward DPS in the game

[rocky palm]

To check if i'm crazy, is her enhanced skill invuln?

Evelyn's I mean

[muted tundra]

chain attack?

[rocky palm]

no just the EX skill

[reef elm]

My only complaint with her is unless your off field units can trigger anomaly she feels kinda slow and th ed fact that the frost stacks don’t carry over

[muted tundra]

yeah everyone's has invul

[reef elm]

I’ve wasted so many by accidentally ulting at max stacks

[rocky palm]

Even Burnice's?

Cause hers is a hold effect

[reef elm]

Maybe only on startup

[muted tundra]

you get damage but you can't get thrown off of it

[rocky palm]

And that's the interrupt level?

[muted tundra]

and iirc in challenge stages if you get "hit" it doesn't count as getting hit

[muted tundra]

I need to check the description

prywdwen sort of has bad tierlists ngl

[rocky palm]

Prydwen's zzz descriptions are fucking useless to me lol

I keep looking to try to figure out rotations and shit

[muted tundra]

I think its the ingame description?

[rocky palm]

and what the hold basics and combos look like

[rocky palm]

I found a movelist at one point and then never found it again

[muted tundra]

ZZZ descriptions are also ass

[rocky palm]

do you know where i can get that

[muted tundra]

https://www.prydwen.gg/zenless/characters/burnice

scroll down on the profile

[rocky palm]

nah it was in-game

it was like strive's movelist

and looked really easy to understand

[muted tundra]

I think you have to pause it in a stage

[rocky palm]

wack

why would they not have that in a menu you can access from normal screen lmao

[muted tundra]

otherwise you can check them them in a different format while browsing a character

[reef elm]

https://tenor.com/view/evelyn-chevalier-evelyn-chevalier-evelyn-zzz-evelyn-zenless-gif-17306374295044664267

[fiery geyser]

[rocky palm]

I'll say it then

bark bark woof woof mommy

(i regret this already)

[reef elm]

No regret

[rocky palm]

[fiery geyser]

https://x.com/McDoboArt/status/1892712727614824765?mx=2

[west meteor]

https://fxtwitter.com/McDoboArt/status/1892712727614824765

[fiery geyser]

“if I say what I think…”

[humble citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/dokibird-huh-rejected-live-gif-3859302371757875364

[fiery geyser]

[wicked gazelle]

@rocky palm which one

[rocky palm]

the second one

is this an actual question lol

[wicked gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922343147416195092/1333801537138458745/tiny-cat-fat-blunt.mp4.gif

yea

[rocky palm]

the first one is amazing lmao

use that

[wicked gazelle]

not even 90% though right

[rocky palm]

88% cr 244% cd and high attack

[wicked gazelle]

thats why my question

[rocky palm]

you can calculate the expected value

.88*2.44 = 2.15

1*1.8 = 1.8

[wicked gazelle]

🤓 1.8

[rocky palm]

shut

[wicked gazelle]

damn hes fast

[rocky palm]

you're using her with Sparkle still?

[wicked gazelle]

no sunday rerun

[rocky palm]

sunday acheron wants -1 acheron

so you would need to refarm the boots sadly

[wicked gazelle]

[rocky palm]

and get enough speed stats on the rest to get to 134 tbh

[rocky palm]

mine are still better

[wicked gazelle]

[rocky palm]

if you can get acheron to 135 though then put sunday at 134 and you're basically perfect

[wicked gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/chalmers-simpsons-may-i-see-it-talking-gif-11870196

[rocky palm]

4 turns per cycle

[wicked gazelle]

why not 161+?

[rocky palm]

Unreasonable for Acheron

[wicked gazelle]

fuc

thats good

[rocky palm]

You lose out on attack and other stats too much

[wicked gazelle]

no i ment for sunday

[rocky palm]

oh

Sunday always wants to be -1

[wicked gazelle]

isnt it the same but more sp?

[rocky palm]

Your turn order should be Acheron, Sunday, Acheron

[wicked gazelle]

or is it 1 less

[rocky palm]

If you do 161 then it's Sunday, Acheron

And it severely nerfs Sunday's utility

For Sparkle you want her to be 161+ because she is only 50% advance

[wicked gazelle]

sparkle is 161 because shes slower advace

yeah

[rocky palm]

So you need her to be as fast as possible so she drags your dps up more

that's also why you do 0 speed with Sparkle, because it increases Acheron's damage and also increases Sparkle's use (advances her more)

With Sunday, you sacrifice some attack for speed

You get Acheron to 135, Acheron goes, Sunday goes, Acheron goes again

This enables Acheron to have twice as many turns as Sparkle can give her, with slightly lower attack stat bc you wear speed boots instead

Good atk substats remediate this

The BIGGEST thing about Sunday though is the fact that you essentially get to say "fuck you" to cr

With Sunday and standard relic sets for Acheron you only need 46% cr out of combat to have 100% in combat

with e1 as well I should say

[wicked gazelle]

🤝 we are in the e2 club together

[rocky palm]

That allows you to focus a lot more on cd and attack substats

Which further removes the lower value of speed boots in terms of Acheron's damage

This is my Sunday build for Acheron

Forgor to change Robin to Sunday

[wicked gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-weird-stare-big-eyes-gif-26186132

[rocky palm]

Anyways, this gives Acheron 4 turns in the first cycle which is twice as many stacks

She gets a shit ton of cd

[wicked gazelle]

300 cd

[rocky palm]

check again

400 cd

*in combat

[wicked gazelle]

almost 300 base

[rocky palm]

Sunday is also more sp positive than Sparkle at e0s1

[wicked gazelle]

yeah....

ik

im sorry i lost my 50/50 ok

i didnt mean to

[rocky palm]

His damage buffs are slightly lower but the extra turns make up for it

You can get an entire extra ult with him

[rocky palm]

One unfortunate thing about Sunday is he provides a lot of damage dealt buffs, which are oversaturated on Acheron

The plus side: Sparkle does the same thing too so nothing really changes

His main things are a) twice as many turns b) easier time getting stats (don't have to focus on cr) c) you get to spam skill with just about everyone on the team

Overall though I still prefer using Robin as my primary buffer for Acheron

Sunday is tied to my Aglaea team now and I don't use Sparkle anymore

Robin is mathematically superior to both of them. Sunday is even with her in some particular situations, Sparkle is almost never even with her afaik

So close to WTF tier here

[wicked gazelle]

use bronya

[rocky palm]

Nah

I hate using Bronya except with Sunday lol

whoever thought she should fuck up rotations by advancing herself with her basic is a devil

[wicked gazelle]

ez pz just never use her attack

[rocky palm]

me when i run out of skill points immediately:

acheron with -1 Bronya uses 3 sp every rotation

if you get lucky with her e1 it's still -2 sp

and that guarantees the next one to be -3 sp

[wicked gazelle]

its really good

[rocky palm]

me when i lie

[wicked gazelle]

ty for your help feesh

[rocky palm]

if you're looking to invest in a support for acheron

[wicked gazelle]

im not looking forward to farming speed stats

[rocky palm]

i would suggest going for e1 tribbie

cause e1 tribbie is mega broke for acheron

[wicked gazelle]

bugsbunnyno.gif

[rocky palm]

fair enough

[wicked gazelle]

i hate that character

[rocky palm]

i probably can't get e1 so i'm holding out on a better support coming later

[wicked gazelle]

i hate how she looks

i hate her fans

[rocky palm]

i actually love her design

don't love her kit

[wicked gazelle]

and i want to be far far away from associating with them

[rocky palm]

my first and last time visiting r/tribbiemains

[wicked gazelle]

yeah

silly me wanting to look at builds

[rocky palm]

i feel faintly that tribbie could be sparkle 2.0

where she falls off pretty fast

her e1 is absurd but base kit is decent and not much besides that it seems

if she's bis for castorice then but i kind of doubt she will be?

if anything there's a solid chance that sparkle is bis for castorice

anaxa seems like he might be super good but knowing the devs and acheron they'll find a way to keep it from working

please hoyo... just let me have a second support... please

[wicked gazelle]

||they made him specifically not nihility|| from what ive seen

[rocky palm]

i'm honestly skeptical that he ever was nihility

i think people were confusing him with another character who is semi-confirmed to be that

he's definitely going to be bis for Therta though

[fiery geyser]

[fiery geyser]

they did nothing wrong

[rocky palm]

https://tenor.com/view/oopie-goopie-tribbie-hsr-tribbie-gif-6192431445115986513

they nuked a planet

millions died

[fiery geyser]

Sick

[rocky palm]

ehrm

le seth condones mass murder

he must be executed by bonk

[fiery geyser]

[reef elm]

https://tenor.com/view/oopie-goopie-hsr-tribbie-tribbie-hsr-tribbie-gif-3176559744909034998

[rocky palm]

the oopie goopies got too silly and blew up north america

the end

[reef elm]

Oopsie

[rocky palm]

we do a bit of light trolling

[rocky palm]

@wicked gazelle next time you sign in try RMC with Acheron

If you haven't already

It's an amazing pairing

[wicked gazelle]

ive tried it

unless im missing something its worse than my sparkle

[rocky palm]

it should be, don't get me wrong

but RMC is basically a raw 24% damage increase for acheron/feixiao

and bc they give 3% with every hit it can be pretty strong uptime

you definitely want to save RMC for when you do a sustainless run though

Acheron RMC Robin JQ is what I go with and it's super strong

Actually tbh I feel like my RMC performance is fairly comparable to my Robin performance

So i'm not as certain that it shouldn't be outperforming sparkle

e2 Robin gives 1.3 million, RMC gives 1 million

So not an insane difference for a f2p character

[wicked gazelle]

i feel like the jq is the difference maker

because with sparkle+rmc i didnt feel like i had the stack generation to back it up

[rocky palm]

Well yeah

But JQ is the difference maker for literally every Acheron comp nowadays

me laughing my ass off as I see another dotcheron team

(if anyone runs this comp don't take offense JQ is just that good)

[wicked gazelle]

me here with pela just chillin

[muted tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su5D_3gBHzU&ab_channel=MrMoMMusic

[muted tundra]

do you guys agree with the gacha spending/skin buying advice of "if you have doubts, then you already have your answer"?

[rocky palm]

What I do is I flip a coin

If I feel the desire to flip the coin again for a different outcome, that gives me my answer

Sometimes you just can't make up your mind though

[humble citrus]

Kinda, yeah. But if i notice that i’m interested/have no doubts about a lot of the upcoming content then i take the time to carefully choose what i want.

Like, I skipped out on a character that i would have liked to have in R1999 because the upcoming characters were ones i really wanted. and it is coming to bite me back a bit because the new characters is super synergistic with the one i passed on.

[mortal osprey]

it's all about planning in the end, but ultimately the above is a good rule of thumb

[muted tundra]

I've been having some doubts on whether I want couple of skins on PGR or whether I should spend my money on steam sales

I try to justify my purchases on whether I'm going to benefit from that purchase in the short term, if the answer is no, I hold on that for now

so in my logic its better to spend say 20 Euros to a skin I want in a game I'm playing against another 20 Euro game on a sale thats going to be on my backlog for how many years

but I still have some parts of my previous mindset of "its stupid to pay money on a F2P game" resurging once now and then so I'm a bit conflicted

sorry if its too rambly

[humble citrus]

it's alright, and it's an important question to consider.

If you have disposable income and you don't plan on playing on new games then fine, but it's always a matter of priority.

Like, in my case, I'm fortunate enough to have extra money, and i don't play many single-player games back-to-back.

[plain bluff]

I think that a simple metric is just operating on money-time ratio

if something costs 20 dollars, it should give you 20 hours of enjoyment or more

[humble citrus]

that as well

I'm comfortable spending some money because i've enjoyed what I played, and am sure I'm gonna enjoy it for a while longer.

[muted tundra]

it feels like a dangerous way of reasoning when it comes it comes to skins

if I don't think about dropping the game I can hypothetically justify all sorts of overpriced skins

skins like Nikke gacha skins are sort of my go to example of when I have to think of an exception to the rules like this

because for my spending level if I can't hold something in my hands and you're asking me 60 Dollars for it, it gotta be a good service/product

and most of the time its less of a question of "can I afford this" and more of a question of "will I regret this after the fact"

[robust inlet]

thats kinda similar to my deal with buying new games tbh

i dont spend money on gachas or skins or anything that isnt the main price of the game

so this is the equivalent

[muted tundra]

I feel much more comfortable buying games tbh

I think its both due to most games I buy either have no definitive endings or in the 100+ hour range and I generally don't regret purchases

but same way of thinking don't really apply when I'm dealing with F2P games, I'm always like, "I can buy TW Warhammer 3 with this money"

[fiery geyser]

Sorta

As someone who went through this recently, a purchase like this can “feel” good at first but then the regret and guilt kicks in and it feels bad

[robust inlet]

i still need to buy tw warhammer 3....

[fiery geyser]

I guess you’d want to ask questions like:

“do I NEED this right now? Or can I get it at some point in the future?”
“am I liking this game enough right now to justify the purchase and does the future direction look promising?”
“what if I can’t even guarantee what I want?” (you don’t wanna spend and not even get what you were looking for)

preferably, you probably don’t want to spend at all but

[muted tundra]

I went through the last question in the Mavuika banner actually

wasn't on a guarantee so I decided against the topup

[fiery geyser]

Yeah, good call

[muted tundra]

I would've had some initial joy from it but I have this obssession with finishing the previous region before I can fully explore and farm in it

[fiery geyser]

[muted tundra]

so I probably wouldn't even used Mavuika before her rerun, now I can get good partners before her rerun

[fiery geyser]

plus, she’ll probably rerun soon anyways considering her archon status

[muted tundra]

and the first question goes hand in hand with my point about "will I benefit from it now?" imo

[robust inlet]

hoyo is so obsessed with having these gods or close to gods like archons and emanators

i just wonder if zzz will get something like that

[muted tundra]

because sometimes I will get games and don't play them for years and I'm trying to change that habit

[robust inlet]

thats my problem with buying games

[muted tundra]

Void hunters is its equivalent

[robust inlet]

i buy them thinking "oh this game will be sick ill have so much fun!" and then i buy it and go back to playing uni 2 and noita

[muted tundra]

actually I have this feeling with FGs lmao

buy all the DLCs for it and never play it

[fiery geyser]

At least for gacha stuff, if you feel like a purchase would benefit you immediately, you could ask yourself how that would affect your gameplay experience

So let’s say you go for a c2 mavuika. Are you gonna play the game more because you don’t want c2 to feel “wasted” (which might lead to more burnout)? Are you gonna like playing the game more because you like mavuika’s gameplay that much? Are you gonna play the game less because your new character feels overpowered and kinda one shots everything without much trouble?

[muted tundra]

it sort of sucks that its tough to gauge how you will feel after the fact😭

I'm not sure if this counts but I'm ultimately glad that I pulled Miyabi's sig as a F2P, even though I risked my chance of getting future limited characters it really enhanced my enjoyment of the Zenless endgame a lot more

[fiery geyser]

Yeah

[fiery geyser]

[reef elm]

https://x.com/shengtaki/status/1892756127860892133?t=ngepUdlNUSKXDIU_DmwXQA&s=33

[west meteor]

https://fxtwitter.com/shengtaki/status/1892756127860892133

[reef elm]

If I say…

[muted tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-i-prefer-not-to-speak-gif-18254094

[humble citrus]

https://fxtwitter.com/ellenjoemama/status/1890406554249109889 @stark salmon

[reef elm]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-gacha-gif-26183500

[stark salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457563144852865041/1088973994222440489/CF1D2C3A-D132-47ED-9AA9-7780BE1AA385.gif

[wicked gazelle]

:grief: my horse, my kingdom for speed + effect res

[plain bluff]

simply don't use keel

[wicked gazelle]

that 12.4 cd saved my life and i will never give it up

[rocky palm]

who for

[wicked gazelle]

sparkle

[rocky palm]

hope you get flat hp and effect hit rate then

[wicked gazelle]

i can reach 162 speed but only 23 er

[rocky palm]

i'm a sparkle hater now

[wicked gazelle]

[rocky palm]

[wicked gazelle]

cas bis

trust

[plain bluff]

broken keel is bad

[wicked gazelle]

is CD bad

[plain bluff]

that you sacrifice other stats for?

yes

if you have godly pieces

keel is great

if you don't

[wicked gazelle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/628225713715281986/1006981536668712960/E1A7CC593FY0VDAG.gif

if only i had to reach 134 speed

[rocky palm]

Sunday

[wicked gazelle]

but then i have to farm for acheron.... again

[rocky palm]

An interesting and most likely fake leak found its way to us today

An alleged BiS for Phainon

[wicked gazelle]

i saw

[plain bluff]

it isn't even good for him

keel isn't a great relic set

honestly

[rocky palm]

i meant the 134 speed thing lol

but i agree

i think keel is overrated

10 cd is kind of a nothing burger in the current meta

[plain bluff]

and it's at such a cost

like

it's a good stat to get

but

[rocky palm]

compared to other planar sets

like lushaka, which is broken

honestly lushaka is the premier support one now

[plain bluff]

yeah

[rocky palm]

idk any others that i'd say are really amazing

[plain bluff]

it also doesn't force you to give anything up

[rocky palm]

keel might be the runner up

[plain bluff]

other than only buffing one ally

which is fine tbh

[plain bluff]

(it's bad)

[wicked gazelle]

unfortunately the next 2 characters are hp% scalers

so lushaka loses some appeal

[plain bluff]

it still has err

and attack is never useless

[rocky palm]

More desirable in hypercarry teams tbh

And hypercarry is like

The only meta that really exists rn tbh

[wicked gazelle]

the best

[plain bluff]

yeah

even Feixiao teams

would honestly focus to buff her

over any other subdps

on her team

so it isn't a big deal for dual-dps either

[rocky palm]

Superbreak was the main competitor but it has fallen off crazy hard

[plain bluff]

rip puppets

a MoC staple

for a few months

now lost to time

[rocky palm]

a few months?

[wicked gazelle]

ill be real, i never understood why sb was popular

[plain bluff]

a few decades*

[rocky palm]

it was half a year lmao

fuck the puppets man

[plain bluff]

sb was and still is good

it's a solid archetype

just

[rocky palm]

give me nikador every moc from here until august

[plain bluff]

it's falling out of favor

now

[wicked gazelle]

please no

[plain bluff]

Firefly is still very good though

[wicked gazelle]

atleast not alongside bug

[rocky palm]

ngl I think she struggles a lot in current meta without e2

multiple targets, no fire weakness

they stopped catering to her

[plain bluff]

yeah

[rocky palm]

and given that they probably changed mydei to imaginary so that he WOULDN'T conflict with FF fire destruction, it kind of negatively affected FF

[plain bluff]

but she's better than every other sb char

[rocky palm]

Cause they have no reason to add fire weakness for the immediate future

[wicked gazelle]

are they still catering to FX

[rocky palm]

Fei or Fu

[plain bluff]

not anymore*

[rocky palm]

Fu is anti catered if anything

They hate her

[plain bluff]

Feixiao is so bad

this MoC

honestly

you can brute-force it

[rocky palm]

[plain bluff]

Feixiao sucks

[rocky palm]

me when feixiao 3 cost 0 cycle nikador

[plain bluff]

Hoolay is free

[rocky palm]

lol hoolay

i literally had brain fart

[wicked gazelle]

aven carried me in nikador fight

[rocky palm]

aven makes you unkillable in that fight

nikador can't even break his shields lol

[plain bluff]

real or fake nikador

for the 0 cycle

[rocky palm]

true nikador

moc 12

i can find the video if you want

[wicked gazelle]

i still got 1shot by the phase 2 gimmick

[plain bluff]

oh

that video

look at the relics

[rocky palm]

ah, i see

"realistic" relics

it is funny how wind set is an actual set for Fei though

ignoring 0-cycles though, she can still clear it fairly easily imo

[plain bluff]

oh

she can

but it just isn't catered to her

[rocky palm]

Nikador is weak to two main things: aoe and fast actions

[plain bluff]

it takes about 2-3 cycles

with brute force

maybe 1

if you're really optimized

[rocky palm]

yeah

fair point that it's not catered to her though

this MoC shills Aglaea hard

[plain bluff]

Acheron ends up being not terrible

thanks to that

[rocky palm]

I would say Therta too but basically everything is shilling Therta rn

[plain bluff]

but the MoC bonus doesn't help her (or anyone but Aglaea)

[rocky palm]

Nothing but AoE behind and ahead of us

[rocky palm]

I did a 0-cycle with Acheron on Nikador today

Was insane to see him go from 80% to 0 with just one ult

Had to go sustainless for it and deal with a lot of bullshit rng on the first part but as long as none of your characters end up with less than 50% hp then the 0-cycle is basically guaranteed

since Nikador takes you down to 50% anyways

RMC + Robin is such a nice combination

[wicked gazelle]

rmc feels really good

oh! feesh

can i see your rmc?

[rocky palm]

yee

ah shit i don't have her on my profile

gimme a minute

[wicked gazelle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/628225713715281986/1006981536668712960/E1A7CC593FY0VDAG.gif

thats why i ask

[rocky palm]

This is like 95% accurate

I slightly reduced her speed the other day

[wicked gazelle]

is there a reason to be < 161+

[rocky palm]

not really

i just don't have enough high speed relics for her rn

and i also have a specific rotation on my acheron team that needs her to be this slow

but in general no there's no reason. If anything you'd like her to be as fast as possible

her cd stat is the worst out of all of sunday sparkle bronya since she only grants like 16% to teammates

[wicked gazelle]

ic ic

yeah her cd grant is not great

[rocky palm]

it doesn't have to be

minimum of a flat 30% damage increase

[wicked gazelle]

ik

this is what im using rn, i really need to get sparkle to move before rmc though

[plain bluff]

you should give your rmc relics to sparkle

[wicked gazelle]

🤓 i did the math and it's better for 160cd +4pc sac than 2pc+2pc speed

[plain bluff]

what's 20% of 4000

[wicked gazelle]

Um

Er

More than 7

[plain bluff]

the math checks out

[rocky palm]

that'll be almost impossible if you have rmc at 160 speed

unless you have sparkle on vonwacq

rmc has a 30% advance built in

[wicked gazelle]

What if I never leveled that trace

[rocky palm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

account bricked forever

[wicked gazelle]

Damn

[plain bluff]

leveling traces is useless anyways

what use is adding 1% damage to a skill

so worthless

[wicked gazelle]

Right? Everyone gets to level 3 and then I stop

[plain bluff]

why even get to level 3

that's a waste of materials

stop at trace level 1

[rocky palm]

[plain bluff]

for that matter, stop at character level 1

[rocky palm]

tbf i will admit that I didn't level rmc basic or skill

[wicked gazelle]

Skill actually seems decent to level

[plain bluff]

do you not get more gauge

per trace level

[rocky palm]

nope

10% flat

[plain bluff]

idk anything about rmc

ah

[wicked gazelle]

Ig not if you're zero cycling

[plain bluff]

I see

[rocky palm]

skill levels only affect rmc healing mem

so useless

[plain bluff]

got it

[rocky palm]

cause you want mem to die tbh lmao

[plain bluff]

just like leveling traces in general

[wicked gazelle]

It also increases mem max health no?

[rocky palm]

yeah, me with my level 3 acheron ult

[rocky palm]

nope

[plain bluff]

hitting an incredible 10k per ultimate

[rocky palm]

memosprites stats are based off of the memomaster's

[wicked gazelle]

I swear I can read what characters do

[rocky palm]

two types, scaling and flat

garmentmaker is a scaling memosprite, meaning she scales with aglaea's substat rolls

specifically on speed

mem is a flat memosprite, meaning she scales with RMC's base speed

no substat calculation

both of them scale off of the max hp of their memomaster though

[plain bluff]

does reviving mem give you more charge than pressing skill while it's up

why do you want mem to die

[rocky palm]

mem gives 20 energy when they die iirc

[plain bluff]

to RMC?

or everyone

[rocky palm]

i lied

actually fairly useless tbh

the 10% from using skill is better in almost every situation i think

[plain bluff]

I see

[rocky palm]

since it's exceedingly difficult to make mem die anyways

[plain bluff]

so you want mem to live

leveling the trace might be good then

[rocky palm]

mem living or dying changes nothing

other than advancing 25% on death

but there's no downside to their death afaik

[plain bluff]

do you not lose charge when it dies

or is it stored

[rocky palm]

pretty sure it's stored

[plain bluff]

I see

makes sense then

[rocky palm]

don't quote me 100% on that

[plain bluff]

you know more about RMC than I do

so I will believe everything you're saying

[rocky palm]

RMC is actually dan heng in disguise

[plain bluff]

you saw that leak too?

[rocky palm]

yeah

can't believe it tbh

[plain bluff]

same

[rocky palm]

leaker is probably lying

[plain bluff]

but they've been right about a lot of things

so it's hard to doubt them

[rocky palm]

on that note these leakers are actually demons for withholding shit man

[plain bluff]

according to leakers, castorice can do literally everything

[rocky palm]

real!

i left this in a comment on a subreddit and got downvoted to oblivion but that list is 100% a list of stuff they brainstormed giving her

and not representative of what she's actually going to have

[plain bluff]

I remember when leakers said that Feixiao summoned 2 orbs

or something like that

before her beta started

[wicked gazelle]

If you really stretch the definition

She kinda has 1 in her ult

That's 50% right!

[plain bluff]

it's definitely not a summon

though

according to leaks, Castorice can do stuff

[wicked gazelle]

Possibly even things

[plain bluff]

no way

I would've never guessed

[wicked gazelle]

Power creep gone too far

[plain bluff]

thank you leakers

for bringing this important info

to light

[wicked gazelle]

Theyre letting her take actions

[plain bluff]

that's not even fair

Acheron is dead now

she just can't keep up

[wicked gazelle]

Fuk

When acheron does get crept I'll be so sad

[rocky palm]

two summons was what it was

one could arguably be the fox

the other...

[plain bluff]

my theory is they were referring to the boss version

[rocky palm]

i always thought it was going to be a marker like proof of debt

[plain bluff]

since that does have two "orb"s

and a fox

[rocky palm]

not a bad thought

[plain bluff]

but idk

it clearly wasn't in her final kit

[rocky palm]

thing is

they can do so many things to prevent this with acheron specifically

she only has 1 BiS teammate rn

there are half a dozen ways they could craft a sustain or buffer to throw her back into the swing of things immediately

but for some reason they seem reluctant to do so

bear in mind, she hasn't fallen off rn

[plain bluff]

I think that they're saving that for after Amphoreus

[rocky palm]

so it could be that they're waiting for her to be worse and therefore have a more notable comeback

[plain bluff]

or maybe midway through

because they have to sell a bunch of dps units

[rocky palm]

i'm coping that elysia expy will be a bis for her

[plain bluff]

we shall see

screwllum will actually be her bis

[rocky palm]

really curious to see what hyacine ends up doing

[plain bluff]

when he releases 30 years from now

[rocky palm]

screwllum more like whollum

[plain bluff]

same

have you watched the new trailer

[rocky palm]

uhhh

tribios'?

if so yeah

[plain bluff]

yeah

[rocky palm]

four billion comments "hoyo should've given us the greek redhead mommy "

[plain bluff]

do you agree?

[rocky palm]

i do really like her original design ngl

i think Tribbie's animations are cute, not super attached to her design wise overall though

probably skipping

which makes me question why i farmed mats for her lol

[fiery geyser]

You used the calyx event double things on them?

[rocky palm]

yeah

no one else to farm for really so it's alright

[fiery geyser]

[rocky palm]

could make an educated guess and farm for phainon but

[fiery geyser]

Plus, there’s always conversion to something else if you really need them

[rocky palm]

yeah

[plain bluff]

chances are that he'll use some new material

I think

[fiery geyser]

||did you also see the Nahida comparisons ||

[rocky palm]

devs said they're not adding any new materials afaik

[fiery geyser]

[plain bluff]

oh, interesting

my bad then

that's surprising

[rocky palm]

i did but i know nothing about her lore so wasn't sure how to take it

i assume there was an adult nahida at some point

[plain bluff]

I think it was her predecessor

or something

[fiery geyser]

Yeah

[rocky palm]

[fiery geyser]

Rukkhadevata

[plain bluff]

I wonder how many more locations they're going to add to Amphoreus

in that case

[rocky palm]

one morbillion

i'm betting on the necropolis area (castorice home), something near kephale

maybe phainon's home too

[fiery geyser]

also the real location that Dan heng and TB mentioned

[plain bluff]

but I thought that Dan Heng and TB were the same person

[rocky palm]

nonono

RMC and dan heng are the same person

[fiery geyser]

Yeah, very different

[plain bluff]

I see

makes sense

[fiery geyser]

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/127527662

[west meteor]

https://phixiv.net/en/artworks/127527662

[reef elm]

https://x.com/Arqodeon/status/1893242473809350865?t=x19XsK4y5kkx8DjK7c60gw&s=33

[west meteor]

https://fxtwitter.com/Arqodeon/status/1893242473809350865

[fiery geyser]

yao is stuck on Evelyn’s jacket?

[reef elm]

Yep

https://fxtwitter.com/rewuyuu/status/1878927504486089018/photo/1

This was my first thought when I saw this ult

[fiery geyser]

“If I…”

[fiery geyser]

💀

[fiery geyser]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/s/yDH4xm7ulQ @wicked gazelle @humble citrus

[wicked gazelle]

looks like she wants sunday and an hp scaler

looks like mydei is wanted

[fiery geyser]

[fiery geyser]

Tribbie

[wicked gazelle]

is tribbe hp scaling?

[humble citrus]

yes

her kit is based around max hp, but not hp loss.

[fiery geyser]

Yeah, plus she gets stronger missles based on the team’s max HP iirc

ig rn, the layout would be
cas
sunday
mydei/blade
Healer (luocha/gallagher)

[rocky palm]

How does luocha healing field work?

Is it start of every turn?

[humble citrus]

scales off of his atk

[wicked gazelle]

id think a healer with instant healing would be more appreciated

[humble citrus]

wdym?

[rocky palm]

Like when does it heal you

[humble citrus]

when an ally hits an enemy

it heals the entire team

[wicked gazelle]

oh

[humble citrus]

including ultimates and FUA

[fiery geyser]

Seri knows better but I think it’s the start of luocha’s turn

[humble citrus]

it's just healing though, no cleanse

[wicked gazelle]

natasha incoming bis

i suspect QPQ will be her bis 4* lc for the abundance unit

[fiery geyser]

what

[wicked gazelle]

hp scaling healer with emergency healing ultimate

trust

[fiery geyser]

ehrm, kid named Lynx

lynx’s skill even increases HP of whoever she targets

[wicked gazelle]

ok but

i have e6 natasha

and e4 lynx

so...

pls?

[fiery geyser]

No

[wicked gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-brain-damage-funny-gif-9567713795855473020

i forgor about lynx tbh

[plain bluff]

so did hoyo

[wicked gazelle]

seri's alive!

[plain bluff]

I just got back

[rocky palm]

x for doubt

assuming the leaks are true, she doesn't use "energy"

I think Gallagher might possibly have anti synergy with the dragon btw

Assuming the dragon wants to blow up, it healing during/after it's attack may prevent it from dying

they may craft the interaction in such a way that doesn't happen though

[wicked gazelle]

all the leaks say she uses energy but cant gain it normally

and yeah i think lynx or some other abundance unit may be better

[rocky palm]

i took that as meaning she has alternative energy

I think it'll essentially be a pool of hp loss/gain

[lilac spire]

yo feesh i have a question for you

[rocky palm]

kind of similar to mydei's point system

[rocky palm]

no

[lilac spire]

are you sitting on the F5 key?

[rocky palm]

what's the question

nani

what does that mean

actually wtf does f5 even do

[lilac spire]

cuz your butt be refreshing 😏

[rocky palm]

ehrm

sexual harizzment

[wicked gazelle]

compound is lonely

[lilac spire]

did i just get HR'd?

[rocky palm]

no, but you are about to be banned

[wicked gazelle]

maybe? but then sunday really wouldnt be her bis

which would make sense for tribbie to be bis

...

fuk

[rocky palm]

one of the leakers already said sunday's ult doesn't give her energy iirc

[wicked gazelle]

yeah i saw that too

well i get to save and not get QPQ r5

[rocky palm]

beta starts on monday, we'll have an answer soon

[wicked gazelle]

ok but

[rocky palm]

i honestly think they may make it so sunday isn't her bis though

[wicked gazelle]

i want to know now

[rocky palm]

since he's already SUPER contested

[rocky palm]

patience bonk

[rocky palm]

Also lowkey suspecting that they're going to make Sparkle her bis

[wicked gazelle]

if she wants to skill alot i can see it

i may try cas blade harmony lynx

[rocky palm]

i genuinely can't imagine using any sustain other than Gallagher or Aven at this point lol

[wicked gazelle]

i dont hate lynx

[rocky palm]

I remember trying to make lynx work when I was starting out and thinking it was just the dumbest shit ever

[wicked gazelle]

i also want to see how gep interacts with her too

in other news, i really liked the i was once in arcadia sidequest

[rocky palm]

which was that

Paris?

wow zyx ignoring me smh smh

[wicked gazelle]

yeah

[rocky palm]

wow he admits to ignoring me now

wtf

[wicked gazelle]

sorry feesh im eating fish in a dish

[rocky palm]

what the FUCK

[wicked gazelle]

hungry

[plain bluff]

was the fish delish?

[wicked gazelle]

it was, i got it from the amish

[rocky palm]

what the mcfucking fuck

the amish are my enemies now

(for legal reasons this is a joke)

[wicked gazelle]

but yes it was the one with paris

[rocky palm]

oh i literally forgot to respond to that lol

anyways fuck paris

proper twat

[wicked gazelle]

yeah!

||good greek tragedy i felt||

[plain bluff]

Lingsha/HuoHuo 😔

[reef elm]

I hope they make a new sustain that has a big story presence soon

I need a new sustain

[fiery geyser]

hyacine

[fiery geyser]

[reef elm]

I hope it’s a waifu

[fiery geyser]

||Yeah, afaik the only male characters in amphoreus rn are mydei, phainon, and anaxa||

[plain bluff]

RMC and Dan Heng erasure

well, I guess they're the same person

RMC erasure*

(if you picked the better one)

[reef elm]

https://tenor.com/view/honkai-star-rail-hsr-stelle-stelle-honkai-star-rail-stelle-hsr-gif-8775002814997259147

[fiery geyser]

[fiery geyser]

||I was about to say DH doesn’t count but I forgot||

[fiery geyser]

https://www.phixiv.net/en/artworks/127501548

[humble citrus]

do you know what the ‘rkgk’ thing is supposed to mean

[shrewd plinth]

I might be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure it's short for 'Rakugaki', the Japanese word for 'doodle' or something close to that.
It could also be translated to 'Casual Drawing' or 'Quick Drawing' I believe.

[shrewd plinth]

https://www.phixiv.net/en/artworks/127124938

[reef elm]

Kalonin

[humble citrus]

https://x.com/meltyrice/status/1893408725932679298?s=46

[west meteor]

https://fxtwitter.com/meltyrice/status/1893408725932679298

[rocky palm]

[shrewd plinth]

https://www.phixiv.net/en/artworks/127424388

[fiery geyser]

[lilac spire]

whats saber doing in that game

[fiery geyser]

Saber’ing

[toxic rain]

Saber no saber

[reef elm]

https://tenor.com/view/saber-fate-fight-gif-12084634

[toxic rain]

https://tenor.com/view/saber-mysterious-assassin-x-artoria-assassin-assassin-artoria-fate-grand-order-gif-21545845

[rocky palm]

preinstall for hsr is out

[plain bluff]

no

[wicked gazelle]

no

[reef elm]

Nay

[fiery geyser]

possibly

[lilac spire]

didnt people install hsr like 2 years ago

[wicked gazelle]

@rocky palm i request a consult

[rocky palm]

https://tenor.com/view/taiga-toradora-fast-slap-slap-baka-gif-11264049955690132886

Swap to attack rope, keep farming for a better one

Or don't

[wicked gazelle]

but its so good....

[humble citrus]

https://x.com/soundoriented/status/1893897876528349306?s=46

[west meteor]

https://fxtwitter.com/soundoriented/status/1893897876528349306

[wicked gazelle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CastoriceMains_/s/SV2m5Vn2h2

[west meteor]

https://vxreddit.com/r/CastoriceMains_/s/SV2m5Vn2h2

[wicked gazelle]

You definitely want luocha

[rocky palm]

More likely Hyacine imo

But Luocha is the only one rn who can provide even close to the healing needed

I think her kit is a bit too stacked rn, will have to wait and see what her damage ends up being

Anaxa's kit is VERY interesting

If you imagine that all of the Erudition teammate parts were originally meant to be Nihility, then he was 100% going to be a BiS for Acheron

Def shred is the last thing she really needs, but I think he might still be really good for her regardless

His traces seem to imply that by himself he works as a subdps, with other erudition units he becomes a support

[reef elm]

https://tenor.com/view/miyabi-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-gif-1330414574606430340

[crisp birch]

<:(

[fiery geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/miyabi-hsr-soundoriented-gif-15652141696758772973

[rocky palm]

So

Apparently they're increasing basic attack level to 10

https://www.rxddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/s/Qg8YUm1Ie1

Aglaea:

[humble citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/oneshot-baller-balling-gif-5660299638255327224

time for aglaea to break the game yet again

[reef elm]

I gotta farm for Acheron again 😦

[wicked gazelle]

Blade stonks!

[wicked gazelle]

Feesh was right looks like unique energy system

means she'll be at least t0.5

[rocky palm]

Me when I read herrscher of sentience's early impressions

[wicked gazelle]

I like your funny words magic fish

[fiery geyser]

or

[rocky palm]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/AnaxaMains_HSR/s/qP7qCzxjoq

@wicked gazelle if you want to read it

Take with many grains of salt and or rice

[reef elm]

https://tenor.com/view/senti-thumbs-up-herrscher-of-sentience-agree-true-gif-3405275109731998318

[fiery geyser]

I read broke as good and was wondering why the impression seemed negative

[rocky palm]

i did too at first

i think it checks out though tbh

reading through her current kit feels like it really lacks a solid identity and theme

[wicked gazelle]

That was my impression as well

[rocky palm]

and 40% of all teammate's hp? that's practically a death sentence against some bosses

[reef elm]

Oh you meant the leaker

[rocky palm]

oh is that gif of the herrscher of sentience?

lol

[wicked gazelle]

I'm co-ho-peing she's good

Her first impressions look fine

[fiery geyser]

yatta

[reef elm]

Yeah I thought u were playing Honkai impact for a second

[rocky palm]

Even if she's not rn, that's what the beta is for

They're really pushing the mydei castorice synergy

but i feel like it's kind of doomed

[reef elm]

https://tenor.com/view/yataboooom-gif-26038128

[rocky palm]

Mydei has a really selfish kit

[wicked gazelle]

Ill have to reread over her kit when im home and not driving around

[rocky palm]

and Castorice is being turned into a supportive dps to combat that

[wicked gazelle]

Tis the quantum sub dps curse I'm afraid

Jade I also feel is much weaker than units related around her same time

To the point where I feel my moze is just better than her with almost zero investment

[rocky palm]

zamn

she did get completely ignored by hoyo for the most part though

story wise and kit wise

her e1 at least solves a lot of her problems

[fiery geyser]

tbf, they do very different things
Is this for a feixiao team?

[wicked gazelle]

Wydm she shows up and... um 🤔 does something

She's on both FX and Blades team rn

[fiery geyser]

[wicked gazelle]

I will say

She's really really good for calx farming

[fiery geyser]

Yeah, she’s gonna pop off with bladie but not feixiao really unless you have e1
in that team she basically is a gimped moze lol (8 attacks to do an FuA vs 3 on moze’s target)

[wicked gazelle]

Yeah unf I wanted to guarantee e1 robin so only 40 pity on her rerun

[fiery geyser]

[wicked gazelle]

Her e1 is absolutely cracked though

3 attacks for followup is crazy

[fiery geyser]

really should’ve been base kit

[wicked gazelle]

The 30% fua increase for sure

Maybe nextime

Oh feesh

What your opinion on the cas technique

It seems unironically stupid strong for what it is

[rocky palm]

It just summons the dragon no?

[wicked gazelle]

Which is normally locked behind ult right?

[rocky palm]

Yeah, that's true

Though we haven't really seen what the dragon does yet

Should be some leaks in a couple hours though

[rocky palm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-meme-smack-hit-gif-14682331153624420698

i meant like actual gameplay

multipliers are great and all but I want to see the actual numbers

also sorry for the ponches

[lilac spire]

(feesh wasnt sorry at all)

[fiery geyser]

||https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/s/LxHuV7gnxy|| castorice animations

[west meteor]

||https://vxreddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/s/LxHuV7gnxy ||

[wicked gazelle]

I'm sorry feesh

I should have know you'd be better informed than me

Im just really excited for an hp manipulation dragon

[rocky palm]

now i feel like a bully

i like how it feels

[rocky palm]

excited for dragon deez nuts

gottem

[rocky palm]

what in the literal fucking hell

ig that was the 6 hits the dragon does upon death

[wicked gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-happening-bye-gone-dust-bucky-barnes-gif-16387508

[rocky palm]

the field change was so sick

i hope that they give that to more characters

they really need to step it up in the animations department

playing zzz over the last week has made me realize just how insanely shit hsr is in comparison lol (as far as animations go)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smmy-QQAGE4

[fiery geyser]

dbfz ahh super

where you spend all your meter to level it up

[rocky palm]

except it's all your life and then you mcfuckin die

anaxa's ultimate also has a crazy animation

i hope this isn't just for anni and actually sticks around

[fiery geyser]

So good

[rocky palm]

it's like FX's but way longer and crazier lol

[fiery geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-on-fire-armor-video-game-gif-7269687

[humble citrus]

it just goes on for so damn long lmao

[reef elm]

SHE LOOKS SICK

[rocky palm]

We've only had a single quantum unit in the last year and now we're getting two almost back to back

[fiery geyser]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/X1cy9mbHHY

[fiery geyser]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/s/CxzixoZB2v

Feeble scholars

[robust inlet]

i dont know who this character is

||but she has bahamut from granblue||

this is sick

[shrewd plinth]

I'm pretty sure they're all the versions of Alhaitham from Hoyo's games, plus a bunch of smaller ones

Al-small-thams

[robust inlet]

oh i was replying to a video from before

[shrewd plinth]

Oh whoops

[fiery geyser]

[humble citrus]

(ZZZ) is rina a good support for miyabi, or should i run soukaku/nicole?

building up evelyn and im gonna have astra supporting her instead.

[wicked gazelle]

https://youtu.be/kEFHkqnsC7I?si=oxZCRoY_FGCNbwls

[mortal osprey]

Lucy probably

What's the third character on the team?

[humble citrus]

koleda

[mortal osprey]

I'm so confused

[humble citrus]

wait

my bad

i mean harumasa

[mortal osprey]

Why run a stunner with miyabi?

Oh

[humble citrus]

i was thinking of my evelyn team

[mortal osprey]

Yeah that makes sense

[humble citrus]

i have lycaon

but haven’t built them yet

and grace

[mortal osprey]

Both harumasa and miyabi want onfield time to do their rotations, miyabi especially likes being the active character

So Lucy as an off-field, long buff duration support is your best option there

If you're running two onfielders then Astra would be great but she's already taken by Evelyn team

[humble citrus]

i mean, that is my current team atm; miyabi haru and astra

[reef elm]

Do you think Caesar Lucy is better than soukaku lycaon

[humble citrus]

and i can do an electric team eventually, but i’d like to build an evelyn team first

[reef elm]

Probably gonna wanna give both of them their dedicated team

[humble citrus]

that’s the plan

[mortal osprey]

Ideally grab burnice on rerun

Then you can have burn/Lucy/miyabi

And give her all the onfield time

[reef elm]

Ah yeah Burnice on rerun would be nice to have

[humble citrus]

i do want to pull for burnice

[mortal osprey]

Don't have Caesar, don't use lyc or soukaku. Lucy is just a really good one-size-fits-all, I imagine those two are better in their niche

[reef elm]

Oh wait I need to buy this seasons bp

[humble citrus]

does burnice stay on field a lot?

[mortal osprey]

Nope

Dumps her energy and dips

Like 3-4seconfs

Even her ult triggers a new character to enter

[humble citrus]

cool

figuring out rotations is weird

[reef elm]

https://tenor.com/view/zenless-zone-zero-blue-archive-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-naruto-and-hinata-gif-17918192173493806066

[mortal osprey]

So I rotate her/Lucy/miyabi for quick rotation and buff refresh

[humble citrus]

if anyone knows what evelyn/astras are lmk

[mortal osprey]

Then miyabi for the entire duration of burnice heat/Lucy buff

[reef elm]

Yeah ever since I had to switch lighter off miyabi is a lot worse

Probably gonna pull Yanagi or Burnice on rerun

Whichever gets reran first

[plain bluff]

congratulations

Blade finally paid off

at long last

[rocky palm]

This is an awesome showcase

I'd like to see more like this in the future

She does way less damage than I was expecting, in a healthy way

Though personally 6 cycles for the shiny new dps seems really slow

[plain bluff]

it's still early

maybe she'll be optimized a bit more

considering Blade was her optimal teammate in this showcase