From Software

[rigid dune]

Lol. Yeah. I felt the opposite coz it felt like the ||thrust went from windup to active frames with no startup animation and some of them were annoying dodge roll traps. Eventually i figured I had to roll into him. But it felt like I was gambling half my health bar every time I dropped the shield.||

[rancid siren]

|| both scenarios end with him throwing the spear at the ground letting you get a punish||

[rigid dune]

Yep. That was annoying after

[rigid dune]

5 tries.

[pure valley]

Something like that yeah. ||his phase 2 start attack also confused the fuck outta me. Eventually I caved and used a shield to tank it||

[vital schooner]

doing a summonless playthrough shouldnt be considered a challenge run it should be the default difficulty

[rigid dune]

Yeah, you can neutral jump it. Timing is pretty lenient. The annoying one is ||when the blue flames cime at you from behind||

[rancid siren]

|| it works the same as his beginning explosion move it's just wonky because the snake has a weirder animation||

[pure valley]

It is definitely playing the dlc on hard imo. Most bosses seem designed with a summon in mind. ||Alteast 2 bosses gives you a quest summon in the fight||

[rigid dune]

Nah. They added an interesting mechanic and balanced the game around it. The player base just assumed that it was a difficulty slider. I did most of the base game summonless and half the fights are just no fun without summons.

[pure valley]

I swear I tried to

[vital schooner]

thats what im saying. the default difficulty should be summonless. why force a playstyle thats hack and slash

[rigid dune]

I think they pushed the limits on summonless souls combat in dark souls 3. There is honestly not much left to explore.

Even a lot of the dlc felt like been there done that tbh.

[restive frost]

SPEAR OF THE CHURCH

MAKE HASTE

fromsoft needs more tall freaks who summon smaller freaks i believe

...

||the overworld divine lion in the ruins doesnt count||

[vital schooner]

when i get around to playing it maybe my feeling would be different. but summons in bosses to me has always turned a fun boss fight into just a hack and slash where you can turn your brain off

[long nacelle]

I like running the 1’s

We don’t jump around here

[pure valley]

||git gud at parrying too. Alot of the bosses can parried||

[rigid dune]

@pure valley These enemies in the ||finger ruins suck. Dafuq is that lockdown into summon command grab shit||

[pure valley]

||I stayed on my horse tbh, if you get hit you are prone and they cant grab you
i hate the multi nail spell more. shit can oneshot if youre not careful||

[rigid dune]

||Managed to get past them. Fighting the Metyr now||

[willow valley]

Ngl

I am tempted to Speedrun the base game in the future just to do a run with ||Rellana's boss weapon||

[vital schooner]

lol i just saw a weapon thats going to get a nerf. streamer testing out some speedrun stuff and the weapon like 4 shot the boss

or maybe theres other stuff going on but it looked funny

i dont know the boss number so watch at your own risk

||https://vxtwitter.com/calebhart42/status/1805454606731784447||

[restive frost]

FINAL BOSS SPOILERS ||i beat that bastard down with ice magic, get fucked gravity boy||

[pure valley]

big bonk for me

[restive frost]

i tried to respec into that but it goes against my being, this character has been with me for so long as a darkmoon ice witch that i couldnt betray her like that

had to grind for this view etc etc

[pure valley]

nah i feel that

this was on my first char that has no attachment to me for anything

[willow valley]

I think all my characters have at least some level of attachment to them, I did spend the time and effort to make them what they are

[restive frost]

yea exactly

im also a sucker for ice/fire magic in games so having a whole base game questline dedicated to an ice witch was like striking gold

[willow valley]

And now you got ||Rellana|| for the fire aspect

[rigid dune]

darkmoon gs been carrying me so far

[willow valley]

I've been going at it with Mohgwyn Goat Spear

[rigid dune]

It's really hard to find a cool int weapon.

It's DMGS, WoA or moonveil

[willow valley]

Bloodboon Ritual makes me feel like I'm whipping out the domain expansion, especially with how massive it is

[pure valley]

could do the death poker

[willow valley]

https://vxtwitter.com/zuza_real/status/1804892414810657032?s=46

[restive frost]

TRUUUUUE

||HER ARMOR IS SO PRETTYYYYY||

[willow valley]

I actually gotta snag that from Enia, see how it looks

I already love the weapon class too, it's so peak

[rancid siren]

|| mfw Prime Radahn suddenly jumped into the air and the music stopped in the second phase ||

[long nacelle]

You already know

[restive frost]

this scared the SHIT out of me

||Where did the music go?||

one question im left with after all of this: ||did malenia willingly participate in miquellas plan, or was she also a victim?||

bc now we know ||what she said to radahn in the initial teaser trailer and she was 100% attacking him for miquella, im just wondering if she was charmed to do so or not||

[rancid siren]

|| i can only assume Malenia doesn't really need the charm to believe in Miquella, they're already twins so they've certainly grown up around eachother and seen the same stuff happen. The rest of the demi-gods are all from different origins and have different gaps between when they were born so they all ended up ruling different regions of the lands between with different beliefs. ||

[restive frost]

sounds to me

[pure valley]

||i kinda think that miquella had half a plan that ended up working out. maybe i have too many gaps, but it seems like both mohg and radahn had thier own agendas. but ansbach said that mogh was under the influence when we fight him. feels very strange to me||

[restive frost]

||its weird, i also probably missed it in base game but i honestly wouldve never thought that radahn would have any ties to miquella||

||outside of the "they are half-brothers" thing||

[rancid siren]

|| it's basically all puts a spin on why Malenia and Radahn were fighting in the first place ||

[restive frost]

||true, the two strongest demi-gods had to have clashed for some actual reason beyond just the shattering i guess||

[rancid siren]

|| it also just makes the reason for why Malenia used her Scarlet Aeonia on Radahn make more sense than "fighting for shards of the elden ring" ||

|| she wanted him dead no matter what or she'd fail Miquella's plan ||

[restive frost]

yuh

||mfw im watching the guy i blew up with a rot nuke eat his own soldiers instead of dying like i had wanted||

[long nacelle]

||Why is this hippo so damn fast yo||

[restive frost]

IKR

[rancid siren]

|| hippos are like one of the most deadly in animals in the world give it some respect! 😤 ||

[restive frost]

actually hold on

man what the hell

[pure valley]

||most dangerous Land animal||

[rancid siren]

they're pr fucked up

i remember seeing one in a zoo once and you got to feed them watermelons and you can really see the raw power they hold just doing the most basic things like eating

[pure valley]

they will fr bite something and it'll be annihilated

Yeah

I saw that video

[rancid siren]

also they're just massive

[pure valley]

Huge watermelon just crushed

[rancid siren]

https://tenor.com/view/zoo-zoo-animals-hippo-watermelon-hungry-gif-5279267

just one bite like damn

[long nacelle]

Wasn’t familiar with their game

My fault

[rancid siren]

btw just for reference you gotta be usain bolt if you want a chance to outrun them

[pure valley]

That really does put it in perspective huh

[long nacelle]

Just might turn into that fella if I see one behind me

[willow valley]

If I ever encounter a hippo I am throwing the nearest town at it

Aught buy me a few seconds

[rancid siren]

doing a loony toons run with my top half lagging behind a couple seconds before i zoom away

[pure valley]

We are so lucky so many animals aren't carnivores

[rancid siren]

i think hippos would end up way smaller if they were right

because you get alot less energy from eating only meat

[long nacelle]

No carbs yea

[willow valley]

Not like "herbivores," won't maul you if they're hungry

[rancid siren]

i've seen horses eat small animals before online and stuff

[pure valley]

Most things are omnivores but it's often more efficent to eat a plant diet

[rancid siren]

also animals like giraffes actually lick bones they find because it gives them calcium which is kinda raw tbh

[willow valley]

True

[pure valley]

I straight up think horses and cows do not look at what they are eating. If a squirrel gets in their grass, it's going in

[rancid siren]

horses are just evil

[willow valley]

Can they see what they're eating?

[long nacelle]

Giraffes fighting is the funniest shit ever

[pure valley]

Pool noodles

[pure valley]

P sure

[willow valley]

What is this

[rancid siren]

png moment

[willow valley]

Lmao

[pure valley]

Hmm yes I will paste black text with no background

Thank you google very cool

[willow valley]

Nothing will go wrong

[rancid siren]

it's interesting how we have predator eyes but we're very vulnerable without technology

[pure valley]

It's because we aren't traditional predators

[willow valley]

Yeah

[pure valley]

We don't hunt with bursts of speed and strength

But we can out walk anything on the planet

[rancid siren]

yeah

we're just very squishy though

one cut can mean it's all over for us

[willow valley]

You didn't gotta be solid to kill a tired animal

[rancid siren]

yeah

[pure valley]

So are cheetahs tho

[rancid siren]

it also makes sense because our ancestors almost like a million years ago nearly went extinct

so maybe they were just squishy but too dumb idk

[willow valley]

They couldn't figure out picking up a rock

[rancid siren]

first guy to do that shoulda copyrighted it

ask everyone to pay to use rocks

make millions

[restive frost]

this giant hydraulic press of an animal is driving the school zone speed limit right towards you just to bite a limb off

[willow valley]

The cool rock I found in my back pocket:

[long nacelle]

||Killed the hippo||

||another amazing fight||

[restive frost]

🫡

||welcome to the coolest legacy dungeon in the entire dlc||

[long nacelle]

Can’t wait 🙏🏾

[vital schooner]

https://x.com/LyleRath/status/1805426722369945875?t=MBpY_yS7GUWlotAhqpKqHA&s=19

Lyle Rath (@LyleRath) on X

My hot take going from a souls hater to a "sekiro is the best one" guy, it seems like a lot of souls fans don't actually like the challenge of these games until they know how to trivialize it with some broken build that they mask by not wearing armor

Twitter · Jun 25, 2024, 2:24 AM

This guy is spitting

[willow valley]

Real

[viscid cedar]

isn't learning how to make a build is one of the ways you get better at the games though?

I don't really like this framing

[vital schooner]

sure if you do it yourself. but most people prob just look up a broken build on the internet and run with it

the amount of people i know that did their first elden ring playthrough with frost stomp build but stopped after it got nerfed is high

[rancid siren]

it's always been a thing with souls games that some people play these games because they want to frame themselves as being soooo good at them

i think this dlc is just the tipping point for people with this mentality

because they have to actually deal with the fact they should use summons or they should use in-game mechanics like levelling up

when elden ring came out there was and there actually still is an insanely high amount of people who think "i shouldn't level up vigor because i'll just dodge it all" not realising their high damage build isnt enough to blitz through the boss with 40K+ health

to me these games have always centered around actually knowing what you're doing

through learning attack patterns, knowing how to play around damage negations or resistances, methods to avoid certain moves and etc

it's fun to take the time to do all that

ER just has this downside of having so many options for broken builds that let you bypass all that

there's not exactly any boss in the game that gatekeeps you based on your actual skill

[willow valley]

True

[rancid siren]

Ornstein and Smough in ds1 and Pontiff Sulyvahn are like infamous for gatekeeping players who blitzed through everything before

and there's no equivalent of that in base game ER

[vital schooner]

||all my homies hate god skin duo||

[willow valley]

||https://vxtwitter.com/chrisvoiceman/status/1805341126074974585?s=46||

[restive frost]

an anecdote about this: a friend of a friend was complaining that they were getting absolutely destroyed by the likes of mohg and malenia after one or two hits while preparing for the DLC on a new game 1 character. my friend asked to look at their stats

20 vigor. they made it to farum azula on 20 vigor.

[rancid siren]

|| godskin duo is just a nasty boss and not really gatekeepy. plus just getting sleeping pots trivialises the entire fight ||

[rancid siren]

the most i can say is that for the dark souls trilogy you can easily get by with 20 vigor

but ER just keeps going up and up in damage to the point it's just not viable

[willow valley]

Yeah, 40 vigor is my minimum for most endgame content unless I'm deliberately grinding no-hits

Then I got 28

[rancid siren]

i dont think i have the sanity to do 40 vigor on the dlc

[willow valley]

I have 60 vigor rn

[rancid siren]

i managed with 55

40 vigor feels too low sometimes for the base game

honestly i think about 55 vigor you're better off levelling up endurance

because the equip load increase lets you wear armour that give some really really good damage negation

[willow valley]

Real

But 60 is the softcap so that's typically where I stop leveling it

[rancid siren]

yeah fair

[viscid cedar]

I don't get why so many have a problem with people using meta builds overall

like what do you want me to do, play without a weapon?

imagine you play chess and your opponent chastises you for using your queen or something

the guy who did the tweet probably has similar opinions about "meta" builds as the rest of the souls community

[restive frost]

had to respec a lil to make it to 60 for dlc, but it was worth it

i was at like 55 but i wanted the extra insurance

[vital schooner]

https://x.com/darcywsmith/status/1805055058616492085

darcy w smith (@darcywsmith) on X

my face when I buy "the hard game DLC" for "the hard game" made by "the hard game developers" and it's hard

Twitter · Jun 24, 2024, 1:47 AM

[upper bane]

https://fxtwitter.com/kaimafiaupdates/status/1805670324006256720?s=46

@willow valley Hop on his stream. Help a bro out

[willow valley]

Lmao

I ain't even at the final boss yet

[willow valley]

||https://vxtwitter.com/sindraen/status/1805383675821146247?s=46||

[restive frost]

holy shit

[long nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/monkewait-gorilla-eating-meme-monke-siegemonkewait-gorilla-wait-gif-22185671

[pure valley]

Tbf this isn't too hard. I've got 20 vig on a mage and I'm stuck on the mountain top boss simply because I don't have the damage and fp

[restive frost]

godspeed

[pure valley]

💀 I'm not fighting malenia on this tho

[restive frost]

lets go gambling with 20 vigor! ❌ aw dang it! ❌ aw dang it! ❌ aw dang it! ! SCARLET ROT ! aw dang it!

[pure valley]

Gets crushed by fire giants foot for the 3rd time

[long nacelle]

||Man the ancient meteoric ore greatsword is so badass||

||new favorite weapon||

[long nacelle]

Fit check

[restive frost]

lookin good!

[rancid siren]

this is what i went with on my first playthrough

[long nacelle]

That’s clean as hell

[rancid siren]

i was already using the sanguine noble chest piece, the moment i picked up the oathseeker set i knew it'd fit really really well

[long nacelle]

Yea I’m rocking with it

That weapon is raw too

[rancid siren]

nago main role

🤨

[long nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/soobfad-druski-gif-25646977

I play pot to even out the scumbagery

[rancid siren]

now you gotta get a hand to hand arts weapon and put the butt slam ash of war on it

[willow valley]

Drippy af

I put 0 effort into my drip, I just find a vaguely thematic armor set and roll with it

[rigid dune]

I try to find the most normie outfit and roll with it. I think I ran the entire game with noble's garb with that blue hood

[restive frost]

on this character i bounced all over the place until i ended up with the beast champ armor with the snow witch hat. not entirely sure how i ended up like that but it worked

[willow valley]

I'm just using the Hoslow set rn

[paper otter]

I been using Rellana armor with Ronin pants and hat and the black knife gauntlets

Looks sick as hell

[restive frost]

i like this outfit a lot, ill probably use it on my holy damage character once i get around to pushing them through the dlc

[willow valley]

||https://vxtwitter.com/scottjund/status/1805637029499228592?s=46||

[long nacelle]

That’s crazy

[long nacelle]

Clean

[willow valley]

Bleed stays winning

[rancid siren]

if they ever do elden ring 2 they're gonna nerf bleed so much or remove it altogether

[vital schooner]

just bring back the perfectly balanced game thats bloodborne

[rancid siren]

just make sekiro

2

[long nacelle]

Sekiro needed a dlc expansion man

Such a good game

[willow valley]

Just put it on bad weapons again and it's fine

[vital schooner]

sekiro 2 would be cool to see how they improve it

[rancid siren]

just make the next souls game dark souls 1 2

give me back my clanky wonky controls

[long nacelle]

Let us play as ||shura|| wolf

[vital schooner]

micheal bison is playable offline

[restive frost]

||shard spiral my goat vs bayle holy shit||

absolutely shredded that thing like it was nothing

[woven hearth]

man ||rellana|| is beating my ass

[woven hearth]

im dealing little damage

can see yellow tho so its doable

[willow valley]

Gotta get your Scadush up

[woven hearth]

its at 4

[willow valley]

Damn

[woven hearth]

reasonable i thinl

[willow valley]

Yeah, that's what I had when I fought them

[woven hearth]

i deal more than decent damage to the other one

so its just her being resistant to slash i guess

[willow valley]

I beat them second try

[woven hearth]

[willow valley]

Great Spear difference, I guess

[woven hearth]

its a skrill issue

[willow valley]

Damn

[woven hearth]

ill fight them tomorrow witha clear head

always works

[willow valley]

True

[long nacelle]

Bosses always get cooked after the sleep buff

[vital schooner]

tell that to kai

[restive frost]

had to go to bed dreaming of ||radhan|| before i could properly kick his ass so it works

[woven hearth]

just gotta lock in

[willow valley]

The cycle

[restive frost]

https://tenor.com/view/parasyte-lock-in-locked-in-serious-meme-gif-13189278796605253304

[woven hearth]

i tell myself for 2345th time before i go to sleep

[restive frost]

me after an 8 hours of sleep ready for gaming

[long nacelle]

Was too lazy to look for scads so I got halfway through with 5

Not cutting it anymore

[willow valley]

I have been going all over and I can't find them for shit

[woven hearth]

sometimes one has to admit they are not built for it

[long nacelle]

Fr

Might have to swallow my pride and look up the locations

[woven hearth]

such is life

[willow valley]

I'm tempted ngl

I spent

5 hours today looking for them

[restive frost]

found one at ||jagged peak|| that made me level 16 😭 i have no idea where the remaining ones are, and i also do not remember the ones i already picked up

[woven hearth]

5?!

[willow valley]

I found some cool dungeons, and kill a Dragon but it's actually a wyvern

[long nacelle]

Spend ten minutes looking for a fragment

Can’t find it

Fuck it I’ll thug it out

[woven hearth]

also the dancing fuck has already got me with 5 lightning strikes, that spawned behind me, out of sight

[restive frost]

these carry over to new game+ right?

[willow valley]

Maybe one Scadush

[long nacelle]

If they don’t this is my first and last play through

Playin obviously but it would be hell if they didn’t

[willow valley]

Real

[woven hearth]

you already know they wont carry

or would they?

[willow valley]

Who knows

[long nacelle]

Someone here alr beat the dlc

Gotta ask them

[woven hearth]

zyx

[willow valley]

I don't think he's replayed dlc on NG+

[long nacelle]

I’ll probably be done by tomorrow night

I’ll check

[restive frost]

multiple sources online confirming they do 👍

thats a huge help

[woven hearth]

neat

[willow valley]

Dope

[woven hearth]

also axalu the bloody helice was not cutting it

[willow valley]

Damn

[long nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/jalen-hurts-jalen-hurts-meek-mill-i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-gif-13709870523385828441

[woven hearth]

it doesnt stagger enough

[willow valley]

He wasn't spamming charged attacks with the spear talisman and that one physik tear that increases posture damage

[woven hearth]

jumping attack my beloved

[willow valley]

Real

[long nacelle]

Tried some dlc weapons on the main bosses for the fuck of it

[willow valley]

Charged attacks are just so much more satisfying imo

[long nacelle]

Hilarious how strong they are

[woven hearth]

so ill be using great curved swords for the remaining of the playthrough

[willow valley]

Based

[woven hearth]

if only i could get the beastman cleaver...

[willow valley]

Mohg's Spear has been carrying me as usual I'm sure

[woven hearth]

lmao

have you tried the other sppears?

[long nacelle]

Aqua man ass weapon

[willow valley]

Yes

I have used all the base Great Spears

[woven hearth]

the dlc ones i mean

[willow valley]

Haven't been able to find them, but I am excited to try them from what I've seen

[woven hearth]

real

thats it

my brain is defaulting to real as an answer

ill go to sleep

[willow valley]

Lmao

[woven hearth]

if i dont wake up tomorrow

[vital schooner]

oh kai beat the dlc after 99 hours and 1070 deaths

[willow valley]

Yeah

[vital schooner]

not even a 100 hour stream smh

[restive frost]

damn iron pineapple wasnt kidding, that was a 40 hour video game huh

im just now looking at my time and it lined up pretty well with what he said

overall i had a pretty positive experience with the dlc, i feel like it amplified all the things i loved about the base game tenfold

[restive frost]

i think ||bayle|| might just be my favorite boss out of both base game and dlc now. insanely cool fight

[vital schooner]

https://vxtwitter.com/CalebCity/status/1805769561888661791

[rancid siren]

spoilers || a good few of them are found when you kill the black ghost guys holding glowing pots on top their heads. just look around any area with them around and you'll probably find one ||

[restive frost]

ooooo thank you

[willow valley]

@pure valley I saw the AoW you were talking about last night, holy shit

[pure valley]

Yeah it's fucking nuts

[vital schooner]

i heard bosses are easier to kill in the next patch. but instead of nerfing bosses they are buffing the skibiditree stuff. which is the devs saying "we told you to explore to make the game easier so make the game easier by god damn exploring"

[rancid siren]

Is the patch out now?

[restive frost]

iirc max scurvytree upgrade level was a 50% attack/defense buff so

itll be interesting to see how much that changes

[paper otter]

||https://x.com/_7albi/status/1805931850445283429 ||

albi 🌺 (@_7albi) on X

Theory: Messmer’s timeline and story will only make sense if you consider him Marika’s beloved firstborn.
Aka, welcome to my doomed Mother & Son presentation slide 🔥🫡

(spoilers for SoTE and long discussion from Messmer’s birth to his final moment)

Twitter · Jun 26, 2024, 11:51 AM

Really good lore theories

[willow valley]

Elden Ring really is DS2 the second

[restive frost]

https://en.bandainamcoent.eu/elden-ring/news/elden-ring-calibration-update-1122 patch notes

[restive frost]

anyone got some more fashion advice for ||rellanas|| armor? vallies fit idea looked really sick and i was wondering if there was anything else on top of that

[willow valley]

Could wear Loretta's helmet with it

[restive frost]

oh word i didnt even think about that

[solemn shell]

||anyone know what to do with st. trina? ive died to her a bunch and gotten all the dialogue but it really seems like there should be more as well||
spoilers for like the very bottom of the dlc map

[restive frost]

||have you met thiollier yet||

[solemn shell]

||nope but my friend has||

||we figured he'd have something to do with it but we couldnt figure out what exactly to do||

im going to bed now but if you ping me with more information ill be able to see it when i wake up

gn

[restive frost]

goodnight

[restive frost]

this all depends if you ||beat messmer and used his flame to burn the shadow away at the next location after shadow keep.|| if you did then its too late, otherwise:

1. ||teleport to the castle ensis bridge grace where the troll was, then head north-northeast out of the camp after taking the east route out of it. thiollier will be sitting at a miquella cross||

2. ||since you already found st trina, you can immediately tell him where shes at. this will cause him to move directly into her chamber. teleport back to the grace just outside of it||

3. ||talk to him and exhaust all his dialogue, then drink st trinas nectar 4 times. after this, tell thiollier about her words. he will deny this. try to tell him her words again. he will get mad. drink the nectar again and die||

4. ||this will now spawn you back at the grace with thiollier invading you. kill his invader spirit||

5. ||talk to him again, drink the nectar again, hear st trina, then once you respawn talk to him one more time and exhaust all his dialogue||

6. NOW you have to go and ||burn the shadow away with messmers kindling to start part 2||

7. ||once you burn away the shadow for the tower, go back to the garden. exhaust all of his dialogue again, drink the nectar again, then talk to him again afterwards until all he can say is "A-Ah..."||

8. ||after that, he will become your ally, and he will be summonable for two fights||

[vital schooner]

https://x.com/Peeverson/status/1806433537249169491

Peeve (@Peeverson) on X

Miyazaki says no more Elden Ring DLC planned.

He said the expansion would be the "size of Limgrave."

He said the base game is "about 30hrs."

He suggested people take the pendant as their DkS1 starting gift.

Now, I doubt theres more, but anything that man says is Opposite Day.

Twitter · Jun 27, 2024, 9:04 PM

[solemn shell]

ah im too late, ill have to go back to the dlc with magic thanos to do it then

[restive frost]

damn 😔

also god the pendant troll is still one of the funniest miyazaki-isms to this day

[solemn shell]

miyazaki is such a trickster

such a silly guy

i hear he actually is the fakeout second phase for every boss that has one of those

the team was like "but miyazaki itll take too long to make!" and he just went and became the second phase himself

[proven veldt]

I am now let me solo her but for the final boss of the DLC

I have a 9-10 minute fight with the boss which I will show shortly

This boss is actually so good

Highest S tier I could give

[willow valley]

Funny thing about that is that LMSH started doing it for the final DLC boss now

[proven veldt]

Oh

Does he play in PS?

[willow valley]

I dunno

[proven veldt]

If not then I can be the PlayStation equivalent of him

I also use strength not bleed

So I’m more based

[willow valley]

https://vxtwitter.com/tsuboiklein/status/1806149138632880481?s=46

[proven veldt]

No bleed for me, just a full on endurance fight

[willow valley]

All I know is they posted that

[long nacelle]

Man these bosses are so good

Wish there was a rematch option without having to replay the dlc

[proven veldt]

Coop exists

It’s kinda like a boss refight

[restive frost]

ohhhh so thats who i saw but couldnt summon bc someone sniped them from my grasp

nice to know the goat is back

[restive frost]

holy shit

it hasnt even been a full week yet

[willow valley]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-todo-aoi-aoi-todo-gif-17239660538013605823

[restive frost]

actually insane numbers

[proven veldt]

Here is the final boss kill I got where I did it solo
||https://youtu.be/w3uAOuVd4xc?si=ORICOfKtyA8p9Eb-||

I love this boss

[rancid siren]

i plan on doing it sometime soon too

|| i rly wanna learn his parry timings ||

[solemn shell]

i think im on the final boss but i dont actually know so im holding off on looking at spoilers

[restive frost]

godspeed warrior

[rigid dune]

Found the sauce with ||milady||. You got put chilling mist on it with the magic affinity bit.

Wrecked ||Midra|| with it.

||Midra|| actually just a good dark souls boss. Clean telegraphs. Clear enders. Very little input reading.

Very little visual clutter.

[restive frost]

honestly you just put into words what i like about him

classic dark souls boss feel to him

[rigid dune]

Yeah, felt like fighitng the soul of cinder for the most part.

[restive frost]

also same brain with making ||milady|| a magic/cold weapon

it was fun when i tried it out as that

[rigid dune]

It's a good moveset. But in order to be viable, you need some elden ring cheese on it.

[restive frost]

yuh

[rigid dune]

Chilling mist is great if you are sorcerer.

[restive frost]

i love frostbite so much in this game

[vital schooner]

have you finished yet sherlock?

[rigid dune]

Nah.

Taking it slow

[vital schooner]

what % do you think you are done?

[rigid dune]

Pretty sure I have like 2 more dungeons left.

[willow valley]

@pure valley apparently that one AoW I told you about is countered by throwing knives

[pure valley]

the zip zap

[willow valley]

The dash with the slashes

[pure valley]

yeah

[willow valley]

Yeah, I just learned about that thanks to a video

The knife headshots semi-consistently and it staggers them out of the anim

Apparently you can parry it too, that's neat

[rancid siren]

the first boss of the dlc gets melted by it

it's awesome

you can set up the mist before it attacks you so it ends up staying there for long enough to be frostbitten

[viscid cedar]

last paragraph is not a part of the quote btw

[woven hearth]

this ||messmer ||guy sure is something

[vital schooner]

https://vxtwitter.com/CDawgVA/status/1806729243063194072

[long nacelle]

Such a great fight

[restive frost]

the cherry on top of that dungeon tbh

so fucking cool

[long nacelle]

Once I figured the boss out I was tempted to die on purpose just so I could go again lmao

[restive frost]

LOL

||that phase 2 cutscene is 🤌 chefs kiss||

[long nacelle]

Facts

And the music had me locked in

[restive frost]

love em or hate em, fromsoft knows ||how to make the best bosses marketable||

||i was like "damn i need a messmer statue now" after i beat him LOL||

[long nacelle]

I want one now too lol

Btw this is one of the greatest final bosses ever

Wanna fight it forever

[restive frost]

i wish they kept the sekiro mechanic of fighting their memories bc there are a handful of bosses in the dlc i just want to keep grinding because of how fun they are

||messmer, finger mother, bayle, this shit rocks actually||

[long nacelle]

Facts, that’s one of my favorites things about sekiro

[long nacelle]

I really wanna fight ||Rellana|| again

[restive frost]

i do too, i need the runback

[paper otter]

||Messmer|| is my favorite boss maybe ever. I wanna fight him again since he’s just a blast

[paper otter]

||Igon is the best NPC ever made||

[restive frost]

||BAYYYYYYYYYLEEEEEEEEE||

||i love this dude so much||

[long nacelle]

Real

Feels like I’m playing turbo monster hunter

[paper otter]

New fashion (pic taken with late game armor in a late game area)

[long nacelle]

Clean

[pure valley]

||i really wish you didnt get leda's stuff so late in the dlc||

[restive frost]

ikr

[paper otter]

Real

[restive frost]

||the nox "kitty ears" hat look soooo good with it||

[paper otter]

You get those from the nightmaidens right?

||My biggest complaint with the DLC is that you cant get ansbach and thollier's stuff unless u summon them for the final battle||

[pure valley]

?

i didnt

[paper otter]

Huh

Maybe ill check again, i mightve just not looked.

[rancid siren]

|| Thiollier's i remember his gear being inside the boss room a bit off to the right of the entrance once you enter, i never got ansbach tho so idk where his is. you def dont need to summon them ||

[paper otter]

ohhhh

u right

I was looking at their summon signs

[restive frost]

||yea i got both of theirs after beating radahn without them, i just had to have their summon signs out in front of the gate||

also ||if you beat the dlc before farum azula can you tell gideon about what happened?||

[paper otter]

Concept for a fit using the omen dancer dress

Ascetic's Loincloth
Warrior Gauntlets
Nox Greaves

you can also throw on banished knight helm too

[vital schooner]

https://x.com/TsuboiKlein/status/1806845328932454784

Let me solo her (@TsuboiKlein) on X

The Final boss is kicking my butt rn

Twitter · Jun 29, 2024, 12:21 AM

[long nacelle]

Banished knight helm goes crazy with that

[paper otter]

here it is from behind, i love this fit

[long nacelle]

Hard

Might rock that on a new build

[restive frost]

got my 1-0 runback

damn it makes a difference knowing what youre doing huh

[long nacelle]

W

Gotta get mine soon

[restive frost]

i believe 🙏

[rancid siren]

|| the fire knight greatsword is actually an insane weapon goddamn. slap the oil and fire physicks on, put the flame spear AOW on for the flame buff, have flame arts on, jesus it hits incredibly hard no matter the enemy ||

|| i was doing around 2500 AR with the buffs at around 13-15 scadu fragments ||

[restive frost]

god damn, thats insane

[rancid siren]

|| you can def get more if you put the fire scorpion charm on lmao ||

[restive frost]

dlc weapon question: has anyone used ||ledas sword||? if yes was it good?

[paper otter]

||it’s decent. Light greatsword move set is excellent but the issue with Leda’s is that while it’s not bad, Milady’s ability to be infused and switch ashes of war makes it just overall better||

[restive frost]

mhm, thats what i figured would be the case

how about the skill at least?

[paper otter]

The AoW is fine. Nothing super good but it has its uses.

||the projectiles do decent holy dmg, and it tracks well. The problem is with how fast bosses are in dlc you likely won’t get a full hit. And In base game, the holy dmg resistances kill it.||

Honestly, it could conceptually be decent for PvP

[paper otter]

||I gotta to this with messmer spear, cuz I’ve been getting 4500 in the dlc at scadutree lvl 15 on the last hit of the AoW with Rot wing insignia, two handed sword talisman, and Alexander’s jar shard||

||Fire scorpion charm and the physic stuff would probably be insane||

[restive frost]

||milady|| is just too cool with stance

im putting out champion numbers with a holy infusement

[paper otter]

||what AoW u using?||

[restive frost]

||wing stance||

its a fun playstyle

[rancid siren]

finally got to have a go at the FINAL DLC BOSS and i made sure to || parry him || because i really wanted to try it out. Honestly extremely fun to do. Highly recommend it

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE_v5KURoxc ||

[rancid siren]

|| a couple general tips i have for doing this boss with parrying:

1. Always, always prioritise getting a parry over healing if you can help it. While you can't heal off a lighter parry out of the 3 you need to reposte him, it gives you time to push his aggression off you and prepare for either another parry or to dodge his longer attack strings and then heal more safely.

2. His double slash attack he does where he makes an X out of his swords and then pushes them at you... That's extremely hard to dodge as far as I know so like, unless you're a parry god with 1ms reaction time, just accept you're getting hit and just heal after the third attack, you're at enough of an advantage to do that and prepare for the next attack.

3. His Mohg-style bloodflame attack can be parried on every hit but generally it's easier to parry the second hit because it's always guaranteed to come out at a specific timing as opposed to any attack coming out when you're both in neutral. Make sure you're not successfully parrying him too late, he can still get the bloodflame projectile out even if you successfully parried him if you do it too late, if that's too much for you just parry his first hit which is his forward lefthand stab

4. Backwards roll his grab/hug. It just puts you in front of him where he does zero funny business where it's harder to see his next upcoming attack and having the rotation from the tracking he does throw you off. ||

||
5. If he does a second stomp at you in a string, he wont do a follow-up overhead slash, guaranteed. Punish him for that by either healing or hitting him ||

[long nacelle]

Goated run

Tryna get like you

[rancid siren]

it got a little pannicky towards the end for me but i just kept repeating in my head that he couldnt really kill me unless i get super unlucky so just stay patient, wait for a heal and try to get close to him again when we're both back in neutral

staying close to him is basically the win condition to beating the boss this way obv

the struggle is surviving all his far range moves that could mess you up and lead to a death

[long nacelle]

Definitely learned that the hard way

[rancid siren]

and also the || X slash || move got me soooo much doing this

[long nacelle]

Yeah the second slash leading up to it seems almost impossible to dodge

[rancid siren]

if you get unlucky it's an easy 80% of your health gone if he true combos it

thankfully his finisher is easy to dodge and lets you heal

it's only bad if he does it right after you're hit

[long nacelle]

Stomp combo is super free tho, love when he does it

Free lions claw that does like 3k damage afterwards

[rancid siren]

he has alot of super free heals and punishes but they're usually all locked behind his nastiest attack strings

even his || massive AOE blast he does usually at the start of phase 2 || isnt even free

i got killed a few times because he immediately followed it up with his || multiple clone attack combo ||

funnily

if you || get hugged by radahn, atleast with a dagger, it's still your turn to hit him lmao ||

|| if you have Miquella's rune you can remove the charm, and his hug basically resets both of your pressure so it's not bad to be hit by it ||

|| with a dagger i could only ever hit him safely a single time and that's the same with being hit by the hug, literally no difference except you gotta be more vigilant of being hugged now ||

[restive frost]

hey does this make for a good oathbreaker knight fashion set

the weapons are thematic purposes only bc she used to be a cleanrot

[long nacelle]

I still don’t even know what the hug does, I never lived enough to find out lmao

[long nacelle]

I think it’s clean

[rancid siren]

|| if you get hugged twice it's over ||

[long nacelle]

Oh god

||Don’t ask why I’m fighting bro naked but this first phase is fun||

Full on honest slugfest until he turns into a dbz character

[rancid siren]

after doing the dagger run i feel insane seeing the damage you're doing

[long nacelle]

I need more scad fragments

I’m still at 10

[restive frost]

whoa you got to the final boss with only 10?

thats awesome

also updated da oathbreaker with the cool new mask

[rancid siren]

you are gonna be doing insane damage if you find the rest

[long nacelle]

I gotta stop being lazy and go get them lol

Exploring isn’t my thing I just wanna fight

[long nacelle]

That mask is dope

[paper otter]

||11000 dmg with a maxxed out AoW with messmer's spear||

[vital schooner]

https://vxtwitter.com/CallaquenoveoYT/status/1807338433334870021

[paper otter]

More Elden Bling

[long nacelle]

Hard

[paper otter]

Been contemplating every required to beat dlc boss (without glitches or anything), and currently, I think there are only 4.
||Rellana, Messmer, Romina of the Bud, and final boss||
every other boss is not technically required. As you can find your way around them by using different paths

correct me if im wrong on that ofc.

I think base game only requires 9. 2 shardbearers, (I dont know if the dragon knight to get into leyendell is required if you take the trapped chest to the bridge.) Morgott, Fire Giant, Godskin duo, Maliketh, Godfrey, Radagon, and Elden beast.

so 10 with malformed drake, and 9 without

so, in theory, to beat all main story content of elden ring in base game and dlc, you only need to kill 13 bosses

just make Rudahn and Mohg your shardbearers

[willow valley]

Goldfrey

[paper otter]

I mentioned him

Oh waiiittt

no i didnt

Okay, 14

[restive frost]

very funny that you can, technically, ||bypass all of the settlement and head straight to the lion fight from the spiral tower if you get up to that point in the story||

[rancid siren]

Rykard and Radahn require no other bosses to reach so they're the picks for the shardbearers i think?

[restive frost]

rykard is a candidate yeah

you can bypass the entirety of volcano manors questline and just teleport to his chamber

[rancid siren]

Radahn's festival is opened when you reach altus via the lift

[restive frost]

yup

it instantly enters party mode

(also a good way of skipping half of rannis questline if you wanna streamline that)

[rancid siren]

Godrick needs Margit, Renalla needs Red wolf of Radagon

so basically if you're doing minimum bosses in elden ring, Rykard and Radahn are your only picks

[willow valley]

Mohg doesn't have any before him

[rancid siren]

Mohg is after Leyndell

[willow valley]

Mohg is in his dynasty

Which you use Varre's quest to get to

[rancid siren]

your best bet with mohg though is using a +10 somber smithing stone weapon on a very underlevelled build

[restive frost]

doesnt that involve talking to the two fingers, which need great runes to even open the door to? or can you make varre drop the dynasty teleport someway else?

[rancid siren]

or using something with rot

[willow valley]

Yeah

[willow valley]

I think you might just have to make it to Liurnia or Altus I'm not sure, but you can use Radahn regardless

[restive frost]

yea radahn is a guaranteed boss

for this type of run

[willow valley]

Yeah

[rancid siren]

both rykard and radahn are way easier than mohg anyway

[willow valley]

Especially with a Status build

[rancid siren]

Rykard gives you a weapon that's intended for just him and Radahn gets all those summons and even if you dont use them he gets destroyed with rot

[willow valley]

Radahn gets melted by every status ngl

[restive frost]

oh wow i completely forgot that the last hit during the manor questline is in the damn mountaintops

[rancid siren]

literally same moment too i just remberedt hat

then again....

[restive frost]

wait, hold on

theres a godskin noble in the way

[rancid siren]

there is that one jump near the temple of eiglay

with the noble is

[restive frost]

ah right nvm

[rancid siren]

idk if they ever patched it

[restive frost]

i dont think so but also i never went for it

so i wouldnt know

[rancid siren]

i remember it's just really hard and finnicky

but doable

yeah there's definitely still a skip for godskin noble

if it's allowed then yeah Rykard is still an option

if not then rip you're cursed to fight Mohg

[solemn shell]

eh

mohg is really easy

so are rykard and radahn

but rykard can be hard if you dont use the weapon

and radahn is just kinda annoying

[restive frost]

if it helps against mohg or radhan, you can probably yoink reduvia off the npc invader in limgrave and use for a low requirement bleed weapon with a decent art

[solemn shell]

mohg's just kinda

he's my let me solo her moment

[pure valley]

Correct me If im wrong, but ||rellana|| should be optional

[rancid siren]

|| she is optional, there's a spirit spring that takes you to Scadu Altus if you head to the lower region south of her legacy dungeon. ||

unlesss you're replying to the conversation earlier and actually meant Rennala

|| extremely useful to know though if there's an item or weapon u wanna try on her ||

[pure valley]

#1021783444461715537 message

It was from earlier as ||rellana|| was listed as required

[rancid siren]

neat

there's only 3 non-optional bosses for it then

[pure valley]

[paper otter]

So, if you want to do minimum Elden Ring Bosses for both main game and DLC, path would be doing, Radahn, Varre Quest for Mohg for DLC access. Then you fight ||Messmer, Romina, and Lord Consort for DLC completion|| then for base game, Goldfrey, Morgott, Fire Giant, Godskin Duo, Maliketh, Godfrey, Radagon, and finally Elden Beast. For a total of 13 bosses

[willow valley]

I think that's close to the number of base game remembrance bosses

[paper otter]

Considering there are I think 165 “boss fights” (fights with boss bars) in the game. 13/165 is pretty good for minimum amount of content

I wanna try that as a challenge run. As few enemies as possible while beating the game. Meaning i could only get levels from bosses and remembrances along with finding consumable rune items

[solemn shell]

hmm

kinda similar to the line run of botw

[rancid siren]

sort of a step above doing an RL1 run

[solemn shell]

so you could make a route for the fastest least bosses route

and you can only use stuff from the route

including smithing stones so that would be kinda rough

[rancid siren]

you can just collect all the smithing stones from caves

or from Eiji if you're doing sombers

[solemn shell]

but thats not on the route

you dont have to go into any caves to beat the game

[rancid siren]

well that more turns the game into like

running a base build to the very end

you should pick samurai since the katana will deal bleed

[paper otter]

Pretty interesting challenge, i might give something like it a shot

[willow valley]

Sounds like fun

Especially if you include the rune restriction

[paper otter]

Yea, only runes from bosses and rememberances.

[willow valley]

Since it would bar you from killing NPCs for items

[paper otter]

true yeah.

[willow valley]

Especially ones like Bogart for his weapons/damage buff

[paper otter]

Indeed... this seems like it could be a blast with proper routing

[willow valley]

Indeed

[long nacelle]

Next playthrough fs

[paper otter]

definitely for me

[willow valley]

I might just swap out my dragon fist run for this one

Because it seems sick as fuck

I suppose it's a good thing you can spare patches to buy Margit's shackle

But wouldn't it be more effective to go to sewers and get Mohg's in order to save a boss fight?

[paper otter]

Probably

[willow valley]

I suppose the prawn could make things troublesome but if you die after snagging the shackle I see the issue resolving itself

[paper otter]

agreed

[willow valley]

Miyazaki was so goated for this

[rancid siren]

Faith/Arcane builds stay winning

as much as i wish it werent so

[willow valley]

https://vxtwitter.com/karna2666/status/1807676799851102215?s=46

The Mishima family technique

[restive frost]

now you too can be a rage-induced marionette soldier

[woven hearth]

Finally got him

god if this took me this long i dont want to imagine the final boss

[rancid siren]

best of luck to ya...

[shrewd tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-death-dies-of-cringe-davy-jones-dying-of-cringe-gif-22207406

[rancid siren]

They will say this and then be using a colossal weapon that takes an entire second to swing

[paper otter]

Enby goals, Transmasc goals, transfem goals. In that order (final boss spoilers)

[vital schooner]

was there a lore reason to how god skin duo respawn

[willow valley]

They're just built like that or smtn I don't remember

[restive frost]

https://en.bandainamcoent.eu/elden-ring/news/elden-ring-patch-notes-version-1123 patch notes

biggest takeaways:

• ||gaius and hippo|| no longer immediately jump you upon reentering their arenas on subsequent attempts
• nerfs to several bug-based OP builds including ||lightning perfume||
• summonable tiche got a major buff via a bug fix
• npc summons such as ||thiollier|| no longer just stand there during fights

[viscid cedar]

https://x.com/MenasLG/status/1808173304815276437

MenasLG (Training Arc) (@MenasLG) on X

Twitter · Jul 2, 2024, 4:18 PM

[long nacelle]

@thick quail
I'm taking it VERY slow
I killed ||Romina and Messmer, but haven't burned the Scadutree yet||
I'll explore every single bit and go through every single cave before doing that

[thick quail]

Ah that's super understandable

[long nacelle]

DLC Final Boss Spoilers
||FUCK THAT GUY IS HARD, I'M GETTING DESTROYED||

||FPS boss. My frames drop every time he does anything Lmao||

[paper otter]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[long nacelle]

||I give up for today. Will be killing him tomorrow||

[long nacelle]

WOOHOOOOOOOOOOO

[long nacelle]

||I got really close once, but I just couldn't finish the fight||

[long nacelle]

||What was the strat? I'm basically making my Mimic use Malenia's Flower Incantation while I spam Big Fireball||

||That shit procs the Rot in one go if it hits full||

[paper otter]

I used Milady with blood infuse after a while, but i got really close with just a raw dex build. No real strat, i just memorized the attacks, im confident now i could do it with just my dex build

[long nacelle]

||I am starting to memorize the patterns. I'm pretty sure I have Phase 1 down, even managed to get to Phase 2 with all my flasks like 3 times||

||But shit dude, Phase 2 is a fucking Dragon Ball fight. And I'm not Goku!||

[paper otter]

||Yeah, phase 1 is a blast, I was no hitting it by the end, but phase two is more dmg mitigation in terms of the fight||

||Real, big fan of the orbital lazer combos that take your entire healthbar if you get hit wrong||

[long nacelle]

||I HATE those. I learned to roll the attacks from Phase 1, but those lasers are getting me in Phase 2||

[paper otter]

||The trick is to basically roll against him always||

[long nacelle]

||Oh
I should be rolling in...
That's interesting. Will try||

||I was rolling away because I wanted to throw Fireballs||

[paper otter]

||Im sure you can, but rolling it saves you from the lazers which are what do most dmg to me||

[long nacelle]

||I should prob just have my two Greatswords on Phase 2 instead of trying to spam giant fireballs||

||Blasphemous Blade / Inseparable Sword ftw||

[paper otter]

||not a bad thought. Btw, in phase 1, the only element he doesnt resist at all is holy btw, in phase 2 its 40% like the rest of the elements he resists but its good info||

[long nacelle]

||As a Faith build, that does give me some ideas. But like, I'm a pyromancer at heart. I wanna beat him with fire||

[paper otter]

Totally valid lol, just thought id give you an idea

[long nacelle]

||Lore question tho... Why tf doesn't Mogh's Shackle work on that mf? Isn't he on Mogh's body? He even uses the bloodfire stuff||

[paper otter]

||Mohg shackle binds their soul, not so much their body.||

[long nacelle]

||Shit... I wanted to make him stop for a while, but he just doesn't||

||I'll beat him tomorrow for sure tho. Even if it takes the whole day. Lmao||

[paper otter]

Fairrr

[long nacelle]

Looks like you fought bro irl

Congrats

[restive frost]

i get it bc i fucking screamed so loud when i beat him out of instinct

[long nacelle]

Word

Roared like a wild animal after I killed ||bayle||

Didn’t use the cool summon tho so I gotta run it back

[long nacelle]

||CURSE YOU BAYLE||

Pretty much how it went

Just replace curse with fuck

[paper otter]

Post DLC elden bling

Neat little thing i noticed, thollier's cape has the same Hairstyle as Miquella\

[long nacelle]

That’s raw

Need it

[restive frost]

his armor is so cute

also has a nice stat boost attached to it

[viscid cedar]

https://x.com/MenasLG/status/1809228954185732333

MenasLG (Training Arc) (@MenasLG) on X

False King Allant

Twitter · Jul 5, 2024, 2:12 PM

[restive frost]

KINOOOOOOO

love this guy hes so fucked up

[long nacelle]

I gotta play demon souls one day

[long nacelle]

DLC Final Boss Spoiler
||I FUCKING DID IT! I KILLED RADAHN||

||THE DLC IS DONE!||

||Now I can finally watch lore videos||

[long nacelle]

Hell yeah

Congrats 🙏🏾

[paper otter]

The true goal of beating it

[long nacelle]

||I'm getting my brain melted rn with Vaati and SmoughTown||

[paper otter]

Returning death to the Lands Between

Playthrough was 96 hours to beat the game and dlc. My ng+3 profile 84 hours in comparison.

[long smelt]

RENALLA OF THE FULL MOON SLAIN

hit her with dragon twice in both phases and she folded

i was kind worried i cant get ranni's ending since thats like her mom her something but i looked it up and apparently she doesnt really care fsr lol

[restive frost]

nah its like impossible to fuck up rannis questline unless youre actively trying to

even if you kill her mom or any of her siblings shes like "idc lol"

[long smelt]

apparently her mom is stil alive too after the boss fight?

[long smelt]

ranni is very iconic for this either way

[restive frost]

yeah you didnt really "kill" renalla, you killed a vision of her in her prime that was conjured by ranni

ranni still cares about her mom but if you kill her conjured vision shes like "nah its fine actually ive got other stuff to be more pressed about"

[long smelt]

ohhh

lmfao

bro just gives up 😭

[restive frost]

her questline is so funny. you can skip half of it and not fuck it up, you can kill all her family and not fuck it up, you can do other endgame questlines (except for one) and not fuck it up

[long smelt]

im gonna respec into just dex/arcane since faith seems p pointless at this point

[restive frost]

dex/arc is good

[long smelt]

dragons and interesting weapons for the win

[long smelt]

are other questlines like this

[restive frost]

nope, its easy to fuck them up

[long smelt]

i fucked up melinas i think because i killed the blind lady which is apparently needed for hers

[restive frost]

the only other endgame questline thats hard to fuck up is fias i think

[long smelt]

i dont think ive met fia

i think

wait shes the goth lady in the hood that give out hugws

right

[restive frost]

yeah

[long smelt]

i think i was doing hers then she merc'd some dude and left the hold and i stopped playing for awhile so i forgot where she went 😭

i think i needed to like kill the gargoyles or smth ill figure it out eventually

[restive frost]

mhm, youre on the right path

[restive frost]

consistently first trying ||divine beast|| and ||rellana|| feels so good

[paper otter]

todays elden bling

[long smelt]

blingy

[restive frost]

i swear to god i saw one of the basic shadow people enemies in the dlc walk with an entire horde of deer and i couldnt perceive what i was looking at so i thought i was looking at one deer standing and walking like a human surrounded by a bunch of other deer

[long smelt]

i used to think the ancestral people were literally minotaurs because of the horn headpieces

a walking deer wouldnt be too crazy of a concept for one of these games lol

also i switched back to just faith/arcane because i found daggers that scale with those and dual wielding blades was my primary goal with dex so theres no need now lol

[rancid siren]

souls game storytelling works so well because it's there's just enough that you can make out the basic layout of the story as an outsider to everything

while at the same time being so minimal gameplay-wise that it lets you either ignore it so you can focus on what you want to do or lean right into it and feel immersed

it's a similar feeling to going through a history museum

you can see the sights as you walk through but you also have the option to stop and take a closer look to really take it in

and read all about it in full detail

[long smelt]

I do think if ur just looking to sit down and get fed a story then yeah souls games aren't for you but there's a billion other jrpgs one can play for that anyways lol

They series main actual flaw imo is that bullshit where your weapons bounce off the wall meanwhile NPCs can literally stab you through said solid surface if ur behind it

I'm all for the bounce mechanics but it's incredibly dumb that it only appplies to the player as well as the other janky feelings of things but that's mainly in the older titles anyways

[quick cosmos]

She eldin till I put the ring on her

Also decided to get eldin ring and the dlc since my friends wanted to do co-op

And I've only play part of ds1, so I know the general jist of it

[restive frost]

its a bit different than ds, theres actually a dedicated jump button now

instead of just leaping forward after sprinting

[viscid cedar]

good purchase👍

[restive frost]

has anyone tried the ||smelter golem|| summon?

big man is ready to FIGHT as soon as you call upon him

[rancid siren]

Been doing an RL1 run of Elden Ring the past few days

pretty fun, if not a little frustrating on a couple bosses (draconic tree sentinel...)

just beat morgott so im in the roughest parts of the game now

[restive frost]

godspeed

[rancid siren]

i've found that just using this lightbow with rot arrows makes for a very easy way to safely proc rot on bosses

Morgott, tbf, wasnt as bad as i thought he'd be

Ghost Godfrey gave me like

so much more trouble for some reason

[rancid siren]

just beat fire giant

stressful

[paper otter]

I just got to Godrick on my RL1

[rancid siren]

i just dread the dlc bosses tbh

[rancid siren]

Malekith's got me stuck on this run rn so i've made an entire detour all the way to the haligtree just so i can get more rot arrows

messed up

[long smelt]

i hate the twin gargoyles so much

ill come back in 10 levels i guess

[woven hearth]

there´s this really cool great spear that will make your life easier

[restive frost]

zanzigoyle forgive me...

[willow valley]

Yeah, Beril is cooking here

There is this absolutely goated Great Spear that'll make your life easier

[paper otter]

Real, it’s gonna be hell to learn them hitless bascially

[solemn shell]

what are you talking about

[willow valley]

Mohg's

[woven hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/mogh-moghin-time-its-moghin-time-moghius-moghin-gif-26359857

[willow valley]

https://tenor.com/view/mogh-moghin-time-its-moghin-time-moghius-moghin-gif-26359857

[solemn shell]

cringe

[long smelt]

i found a sword im gonna take back to the fight and some new spells/talismans

i dont know how to fight mohg i havent seen him

ik hes part of the lord of the blood questiline but i might have fucked that one up because i went out of my way to make sure i killed the YOUR MAIDENLESS dude

[long smelt]

my build the entire game has required me to be hitless so i am not worried about that honestly

[willow valley]

Doesn't matter if you do that

[solemn shell]

you can still fight him it'll just be a lot harder

a lot more endgame

i mean

doing varre's quest lets you get to mohg right after godfrey, otherwise you have to get all the way to consecrated snowfield

[rancid siren]

FINALLY got Malekith

man that was easily the hardest boss for me so far

the rl1 run is fun but man it makes every little gripe you have with elden ring like 100x more apparent

[viscid cedar]

https://x.com/MenasLG/status/1810710213680636225

MenasLG (Training Arc) (@MenasLG) on X

Imagine being such an iconic video game, that whenever someone sees a ladder or hanging bridge, they think of MGS3 and Snake.

Twitter · Jul 9, 2024, 4:18 PM

[restive frost]

the dlc having dramatic hanging bridges and also long ass ladders was a thrill

[quick cosmos]

Yall should definitely try out the seamless co-op mod for eldin ring. Me and my friend haven't had so much fun in a long time. It was basically a "Yeah I'll play for a few" then the next thing you know it's almost 1AM type of feeling.

The mod also allows you to adjust scaling for enemies if you're worried about it being too easy, but definitely check the settings for it before trying it out. It uses a different server from the official one so you don't have to worry about getting banned for anything. Though that also means you have to make an entirely new character.

[long smelt]

i tried playing it with my bf but it didnt go well because im much more of a take it in and read every piece of lore and overall just take it slowly kind of person which doesnt really work out too well when the other person literally has adhd and wants to bounce all over the map every few minutes lol

[quick cosmos]

That's fair. My friend and I just go wherever we feel like. It probably helps that he already beat both the base game and dlc, so he's a lot more will to just follow me where I go.

[solemn shell]

id recommend not playing it till you both have beaten the game

[long nacelle]

Can y'all give me some build ideas?

I was planning on doing a Messmer Spear build, so I'm thinking like 50 dex, 80 Faith

But like, Idk what to do with it
I like having a secondary weapon, but I really don't know which would go well with those stats

And I kinda already have builds focused on most Incantation types
My main char is a pyromancer, I have an electric char, a Dragon/Madness char, and a Cruscible char

I also have no idea what to do with their bling, so...
I might just discard that idea

[restive frost]

i heard that the fire knight greatsword pairs well with it if you want to use holy damage instead of fire, but i havent tried it out

[long nacelle]

It also hit me that I never had a Poison Build
I kinda wanted to try Poison Antspur Rapier, both because last time I used a rapier was in DS3 and because Poison/Rot seems cool
The new Ash of War, the Poison Flower Blooms Twice or smt looks cool and actually good
I also liked the Poison Perfume Thiolier sells
I feel like a build with those two weapons, Kindred of Rot Exultation, Millicent's Prosthesis and Rotten Sword Insignia would prob do some DAMAGE
So maybe I'll go with that instead of the Messmer build

[long nacelle]

Ohhhhhhhhhh
I shall take a look
I was thinking of the Leda Light Greatsword
But I noticed it didn't kill Those Who Live in Death

[restive frost]

the sacred relic sword is also fun for dishing out insane holy damage when fire wont work

[long nacelle]

So I got a bit sad and went testing
I guess only Inseparable Greatsword and the Golden Order Greatsword do that
Along with Pots and Arrows
I haven't tested all Holy Incants yet

[long nacelle]

I do like Greatswords a bit too much

I was planning on going smt else for a change
Lol

[restive frost]

thats valid

im actually running a messmer spear build rn at just below level 200, i split the dex/faith scaling between 60/60 along with the fire scorpion talisman

[long nacelle]

That's cool!
I liked the weapon, I just don't think it goes with any of my builds
MAYBE my main one, but like...
I wanted a whole new build for that

[restive frost]

yuh, ive been meaning to make a fire build for a long while and id figure this would be a good time since i love the weapon art

[long nacelle]

I guess I'll prob just use it on NG+4 when I start it
And make my 10th char the Poison one

[restive frost]

my only gripes are that the armor is inconsistent and it doesnt have a real heavy attack outside of the spear toss, but other than that its been wonderful

im probably gonna dump more points into faith even after i go past level 200 since i was mainly focused on getting my health/mana/stamina up to par for the dlc

[long nacelle]

The spear toss makes me feel like I don't need Incants that much

[restive frost]

oh yeah def, its a decent ranged option, i just wish i had a proper great spear R2

still really havent found a use for the fire knight/messmer incants yet, they all feel pretty weak still outside of the orb

[long nacelle]

The orb is good, but I had so many enemies just knock me out of it...

I cannot use it consistently

Fire Rain is pure shit
Even on big enemies...
Which makes me sad

And Fire Snake would be MUCH better if it had a bit more range
It's actually cheap and does decent damage
It's just a bit slow imo and has no range

[restive frost]

yea

even with the casting talismans boost its so awkward

but yeah the lack of proper armor on orb and spear AOW its a huge :( moment because both are great

[long nacelle]

Yup...
I was so excited to see the new fire stuff
But I ended up not using any of them

I mean
I might use the spear, but like...
I was really hoping Messmer Incants would be cool

[restive frost]

unfortunately not really the case outside of orb

[long nacelle]

Kinda disappointed we didn't get more sleep stuff either

[restive frost]

we did get eternal slumber, which is pretty cool for stuff like the godskins

[long nacelle]

I'm happy with the talisman and the new straight sword
But like, I kinda wanted incants or sorceries

[long nacelle]

True
But only the pot, rapier and that one straight sword actually inflict it

[restive frost]

true... 😔

[long nacelle]

No sleep perfume is criminal

I am having A LOT of fun with my sleep build tho
I'm running double Purple Velvet Straight Swords until they sleep
And then I get a Misericorde with Royal Knight's Resolve to do a MASSIVE critical attack
With the Knife Talisman and the new St Trina Smile...
This shit is doing DAMAGE

I know I could be doing even more
With like Commander Standard, Jellyfish Greatshield, Golden Vow, Howl of Shabriri...
If they are on Eternal Sleep, you usually have time to cast all the buffs you want before doing the Critical

But I didn't level up faith, so...
I'm just doing Royal Knight's Resolve

[rancid siren]

I JUST GOT ROBBED AAAHHAHHHHHHH

[willow valley]

Just put sacred blade on a dagger it'll be fine

[long nacelle]

RL1?

Never seen people using bows on that

[willow valley]

Same here

Most people I see doing RL1 use Serpent Hunter

[long nacelle]

Yeahhhhhhhhh
That works

[long nacelle]

I like Spiked Ball better

[willow valley]

That's fair

[long nacelle]

I did not finish my RL1 run tho
Stopped at Morgott and never came back

[willow valley]

That's unfortunate

[rancid siren]

i've been doin my own thing

[long nacelle]

I had just gotten the Spiked Ball

[rancid siren]

mostly using rot arrows

[long nacelle]

I am doing a bow only for fun
And like, it's really fun how many status effects you can just apply on a boss

[willow valley]

I mean I gotta admit I would never use a bow for RL1 personally after my bow only run

[long smelt]

rl1?

[willow valley]

Rune Level 1

[long smelt]

playing the entire game without leveling up????

[willow valley]

Start as wretch, never level up

It's fun

[long smelt]

insane

[rancid siren]

it was mostly really useful towards the early game but i found it had uses if you combined it with the antspur rapier

[long smelt]

i started as a wretch for the survial aspect and because its nice to actually build up ur character but i could never just not level up 😭

[willow valley]

The main thing the run does is find ways to get stronger without leveling via the use of items that give stat and damage bonuses

[long smelt]

im not that badass

[long nacelle]

It's actually easier not to level up than to not upgrade weapon
I could not do a +0 run

I did it on DS3
And it was HELL

[long smelt]

it might not be that bad with weapon upgrades yeah

[willow valley]

I have done a base equipment no weapon upgrade run in DS3

[long smelt]

i had to finally put points into vigor because of those stupid gargoyles

[willow valley]

Beat the main game but I could not do the dlc with that shit

[long nacelle]

Fuck the Valiant Gargoyles
They were easily the boss I died the most to in base game besides Malenia and maybe Mogh

[willow valley]

Even min maxing your damage stats you cap out at like

[long smelt]

most people i have talked to seem to agree with you

[willow valley]

100 something per-swing and it's just kinda tedious

[long nacelle]

Back in DS3 I tried doing the thorn armor challenge...
Gave up on Vordt

It's just SO SLOW

Sorry, I like challenge runs
But I cannot spend 40min on each try of each boss

[willow valley]

Damn I've heard of people trying that and it's absolutely misery

Have you seen the Elden Ring version?

[long nacelle]

I saw Bushy doing it
I cannot

[solemn shell]

you could try ||sword of light||

[willow valley]

It's crazy that the final boss took actual hours per run

[long nacelle]

I did not find the third altar yet
LMAO

[solemn shell]

uh

huh?

theres a third?

[long nacelle]

Yeah, one unlocks the stone sword
Other the light
And the third the dark

[willow valley]

https://youtu.be/Ae15gYPHI-M?si=baSN1fVuyuitmGqG

This was the video I watched for it and it's rough out there

[solemn shell]

oh i was thinking a third one that unlocks something extra

does dark still do holy damage

and use faith scaling

id expect int and magic damage

[rancid siren]

hell

[long nacelle]

Nah man...
I can't
Bow only is the only challenge I'm doing rn

And it's not even hard
Specially after you get Black Bow

[rancid siren]

they make people kill fire giant like that in hell

[solemn shell]

the only real challenge run i did was no-hits only and it was really fun

[willow valley]

I'm gonna do that minimal bosses run we talked about prior

[solemn shell]

i need to go through the dlc with it at some point

[long nacelle]

Idk tbh
I didn't check

I didn't wanna transform my sword before knowing for sure

Lmao

[solemn shell]

i think you can change it back

[willow valley]

Gotta scope out the weapon I wanna use though

Probably just gonna end up on star Fists or smtn

[long nacelle]

You can always buy Spiked Caestus from the guy in Caellid before getting to the Capital

[solemn shell]

i had a run going that i never actually got very far in

i call it the kirby run

i can only use remembrance weapons

[long smelt]

kirby run?

[solemn shell]

like, kirby copy ability

[long smelt]

ah

[solemn shell]

iirc i didnt get to a single remembrance boss cause i was already burnt out from elden ring when i started it lol

[long smelt]

i have two swords that i dual weild and katana thats got poison on it

[solemn shell]

serpentbone katana

[long smelt]

the dual weilds have blood slash for le arcane scaling since im using the dragon seal a ton

[solemn shell]

cool thing that ill be using in one of my other challenge runs

poison only

i mean poison weapon only

[long smelt]

poison is op

[solemn shell]

poison only would be super boring

[willow valley]

True, but I could also do Serpent Hunter and I really like Great Spears so who knows

[long smelt]

i would not have killed radahhn without poison

[solemn shell]

i do challenge runs to force myself to try out new weapon types and stuff

not to make it too difficult

[long nacelle]

I think Bushy did smt similar
Super fun video

[solemn shell]

poison only wouldnt even be super difficult anyways

you just wait

[long smelt]

poison is insanely good

once you get it you can just fuck off and let them die

[long nacelle]

Had to kill Soldier of God, Rick bare fist
And use his weapons

[solemn shell]

thats just boring

[solemn shell]

maybe i wont do that run

[long smelt]

this is war

[solemn shell]

i dont like bushy

[long smelt]

show no mercy or your opponent

any chivalry

[solemn shell]

its a game

do whatever you want, idc, but im gonna be doing it my way

[long smelt]

kill them in the most underhanded way possible

[solemn shell]

and i think thats boring

[long smelt]

fair fair lol

[solemn shell]

i think my poison run is really funny

cause i basically abandoned it

when i found giant crusher

and put poison affinity on it

i mean,,,,, its a poison weapon now

technically its not out of the rules

[willow valley]

That's fair, personally I like challenge runs because they really force me to improve at a game

[long smelt]

i didnt know poison affinity was possible

[long nacelle]

Whaaaaaaaaaa

[solemn shell]

well thats what my no-hit was for

[solemn shell]

poison mist, poison moth flight, and other poison ashes will give it to a weapon

i think those are the only two actually

anyways you can also apply it if you have the black whetblade

[long nacelle]

I want to do a Poison run
Looks so cool
And with the Kindred of Rot Exultation and the Ash of Wars that deal more on poisoned people, I think I can deal some serious damage

[solemn shell]

just on any normal ash of war

[solemn shell]

yeah i gotta get that exultation on my poison run eventually

it genuinely is pretty fun

venomous fang is a cool weapon

[long nacelle]

Yesssssssss
Love that weapon

[solemn shell]

i didnt use it until my poison run

it was like half of the reason i wanted to do one in the first place

the other half is cause someone in a server suggested it

[long nacelle]

I am LOVING the new ||Poison Perfume|| weapon

[solemn shell]

ah i miss that server

[long nacelle]

No Criticals tho is killing me

[solemn shell]

actually no i dont i hardly ever talked there

[solemn shell]

you could have a misericorde offhand or smth

[willow valley]

I saw this one build recently

[long nacelle]

I kinda have a sleep build with Misericorde, so I don't wanna repeat weapons

[solemn shell]

ah