wtf
#From Software
vital schooner
willow valley
What
solemn shell
bal im guessing
solemn shell
oh yeah he was hard too
willow valley
Yeah, it's a really cool mission, and the reveal for the ||Ice Worm|| is sick
willow valley
this is shit
Damn, they're getting filtered
rigid dune
no the tutorial boss
It took me like 10 tries.
solemn shell
took me like 20
willow valley
Y'all fr?
rigid dune
Use sword. Hover to dodge missles. Assault boost in when you are full on EN resources. Missiles should always be on cooldown. At least for that fight. Use'em if you gottem.
rigid dune
It is hard if you haven't played AC before.
solemn shell
im not used to the combat
rigid dune
It takes a second.
rigid dune
PCA needs to work on aircraft design though. I will tell you that much.
willow valley
just kinda a hassle to set up
The community literally has set up everything for you
solemn shell
the guy i talked to in the server was just kinda rude and impatient with me so i ended up not wanting to ask questions
willow valley
Fair enough, they're really a bunch of asses over there
vital schooner
i was just getting triggered cuz i couldnt figure out the UI or anything
and i couldnt pull up the tutorials in case i missed something
but i got it
inner knoll
nice
rigid dune
I found the original launch trailer OST in the AC 6 soundtrack. Solid.
rose oracle
vital schooner
how many missions do i have to do before it becomes fun
willow valley
Imo the game was fun from the start, so maybe it just isn't for you
vital schooner
true, maybe i will refund cuz killing enemies in one hit while flying around not needing to use my brain and no reason to explore has been boring AF. very early monster hunter vibes where you had to kill shitter enemies for 4 hours before you got to the fun bosses
solemn shell
its mission based so naturally some missions are much better than others
rancid siren
the game gets more hype with it is what i'd say
and lemme just say that there are reasons to explore the levels
take that as you will
rigid dune
Chapter 3 final mission. Game firing in all cylinders. It wasn't a hard mission, but a really great one.
This is hands down one of the best gimmick fight that From has ever done.
||The railgun gun firing sequence. The sound of the gun winding up. The glow in the horizon. "I won't miss". Really really cool||
inner knoll
fr
vital schooner
guess ill try again tomorrow
vital schooner
what am i looking at when im building my mech
i shouldnt do this so late when im sleepy
cuz this feels like im trying to read another language
inner knoll
vocalist from the original actually performed the parody lyrics lmao
rigid dune
what am i looking at when im building my mech
I usually pick parts that I like and then construct the rest of the mech to support those parts. For e.g, I want to use nachtreiher's reverse joint legs, so I have to pick light weapoans, light core, light everything..
FCS choice is important btw.
I am having trouble against this boss coz my FCS for some reason struggles to keep up with it despite it being slow moving.
rancid siren
generally any build works and if you're having trouble with it, the best way to go is trial and error by taking out what you think is the weakest part of your build
you perfect it over time
rancid siren
what am i looking at when im building my mech
if you want a basic run down of mech design (spoilering in case you dont wanna read it):
|| each of your weapons can be placed on both arms and shoulders, melee weapons can only be placed on the left side, damage is obvious, impact is how much stagger damage you deal which is used to get tougher opponents into an immobile state where you do extra damage for a small period of time
every part other than weapons has different defense, effects your altitude stability which i believe helps with resisting stagger damage and keeps your ac stable, AP which is health, and how effect your boosting and quick boosting is.
arms vary in the above but has extra use as each pair of arms you use have different fire arm specialisation (resisting recoil and keeping consistent aim), and melee specialisation (how much damage your melee attacks do). this can determine your arms limit too which effects the type of guns you can simultaneously carry together though this isnt too important because you likely wont see it.
legs have jump height and distance modifiers and each leg type will have a different value for each of them. reverse joint gives big jump height and distance for example. tank legs offer ground mobility speed over verticality, and regular legs are basically a mix. they also determine your load limit
boosters determine quick boost (this is your dodge though it doesnt have i-frames), and regular boost speeds.
fcs determines how well your weapons do at specific ranges
generator determine how much EN you have for your boosting and recharging on that. they also give a limit on how much energy your parts and weapons can use. ||
rigid dune
I am going to have to repaint the mech once I clear out this boss. Got an idea from my hike today.
rigid dune
he dede
enforcer ded
Trying to nail that autumn yellow, but it's kinda hard.
Have to go back and see the pictures that I took.
vital schooner
im happy with my paint job, i just wish i had more parts
rigid dune
Meet autumn
Also, stun needle launcher is kinda disgusting.
Running the missile launcher that staggers 10 missiles, stun needle, plamsa and sword.
Surprisingly effective build.
I thought the stun needle stuff was garbage, but it does a lot of direct and impact damage.
Great build for staggering pressure.
willow valley
https://i.imgur.com/UiyLzBK.jpeg
rigid dune
uh tough decision point.
||I don't want to kill any of these ppl. Pater does the funni rusty impression and michigan is hilarious. ||
Ok.
||RLF needs the help. Arquebus winning too much anyway.||
willow valley
Yeah
rigid dune
Whatchu fitin?
vital schooner
i unno cuz i dont understand any of this lingo
rigid dune
post build
vital schooner
i turned it off already
im jsut getting one shot by this mini boss
and its annoying as hell
vital schooner
wtf is ap
rigid dune
Your HP
bottom left
@willow valley I can't believe they made me ||try to kill Rusty||.
Last mission in CH4.
willow valley
You mean second to last?
rigid dune
I finished that.
At the last mission. But I didn't want to go in coz I know there is gonna be a boss and I don't want to be here all night.
willow valley
Yeah, ||Rusty fight|| is the second to last mission
rigid dune
yep
willow valley
So why'd you say it was the last
rigid dune
I was trying to convey that I was at the last mission.
vital schooner
i wanted to see if i could get this plasma weapon to work cuz its cool as shit
willow valley
I was trying to convey that I was at the last mission.
Ah
rigid dune
Plasma rifle is pretty strong though.
willow valley
Yeah Plasma Rifle is really strong
rigid dune
i wanted to see if i could get this plasma weapon to work cuz its cool as shit
You want to build in a way that you are able to minimize time to stagger enemies and then do some damage post stagger.
vital schooner
thats what i was trying to do
willow valley
You want to build in a way that you are able to minimize time to stagger enemies...
Not very hard to do either, just slap a melee weapon on, and that'll be more than enough
vital schooner
i had the magnum 2 shoulder missiles and plasma and my goal was to hit it with so much kinetic force i stagger them then hit them with a full charge plasma
rigid dune
You are running dual plasma rifles?
rigid dune
huh.
I usually just run the starter plasma sword and rotate the right hand weapon based on the enemies.
vital schooner
sword is so snoozer
rigid dune
Shoulder weapons early on was just starter missile launchers.
They do so much work.
Sword does ridiculous damage.
willow valley
Yeah, the melees are fantastic
vital schooner
i sleep
rigid dune
But you don't have to run swords if you don't want to...you can still clean house with your setup. What are your shoulder weapon?
vital schooner
i unno some missle packs
rigid dune
Oh, just missiles. Yeah, that should be good enough.
I don't know what the magnum is..I guess burst rifles?
willow valley
Plasma Missiles are cracked
rigid dune
I have been running the one that luanches 10 missiles. It has so much built in stagger that a lot of enemy ACs run out of EN before they dodge the missiles.
Oh right, the charging linear rifle.
willow valley
i unno it looks like a massive fuck off pistol
Linear Rifle?
vital schooner
after i finish doing this ill log back on
rigid dune
Finished all the arena missions.
vital schooner
rigid dune
Do you not have anything equipped on the other shoulder unit?
willow valley
You should have more than enough health to not get one shot by anything
vital schooner
i do its just hidden
when i saw one shot i mean they instantly stun me
then i die
say
rigid dune
Depends on the enemy, but usually you see a red flashing square along with an audible warning if the enemy is firing an insta stagger weapon like bazooka.
You can quick boost in response to avoid the damage.
willow valley
Yeah
vital schooner
are those always a instant stagger?
willow valley
They'll either stagger you, or just build up a lot of the posture bar
vital schooner
am i stupid or is there no reload button
inner knoll
there should be a reload button and you can press it alongside one of your arm weapon buttons to reload it
inner knoll
i think it's Y+RT/LT on controller
vital schooner
starting to get the hang of this game
pure valley
capitalism
inner knoll
as a wise man once said
"It costs 400,000 dollars to fire this weapon... for twelve seconds"
rigid dune
mission gives me 180k
I just zip straight to the objective. Don't kill popcorn if they are not in my way.
vital schooner
well i got to the first chapter boss
and need to think over what to use on my mech
vital schooner
dont like it
i really dont like melee
maybe for bosses that get in close
but i really enjoy knocking shields down while holding charge then blasting the every living shit out of them
cuz i tried melee against the ch 1 boss
willow valley
I get that, but melees are just so useful you're really handicapping yourself by not having one
vital schooner
and so many times he was just out of range
and recovered in time
im also trying to decide on legs
wish they had a demo mode
willow valley
Reverse joints are my favorite personally
Also the training sims allow you to get a feel for each leg type
rancid siren
wish they had a demo mode
you can test your AC in the sortie tab im sure
it even lets you reassemble on the fly during your testing so no back and forth
i've found it really useful when perfecting a build
just switching what i find uncomfortable
willow valley
Oh yeah, there is a Test AC function
I totally forgot about that
I still recommend doing the training sims though, the rewards you get from it are pretty good
rigid dune
dawg. ||CEL. wtf? I can't a bead on this thing. Might have to switch to guns. None of the missiles are ever gonna hit this thing.||
Walter is all kinds of unhelpful. "Destroy it before it destroys you." Sure thing. I will get right on that.
rigid dune
You get full refund on all parts. So, you can try it and if you don't like it, sell it back.
vital schooner
oh
well im broke anyway
i wanted to see what tank legs were like cuz they just seemed better at everything
looking at the funny stat numbers
but im trying to decide between the double joints quick legs and spider legs
figuring out which is more my play style
rigid dune
||Oh, second phase. Has this thing ever known defeat?||
But, I found the secret weapon. Increased camera speed to 7. Found those offscreen recovery frames.
willow valley
||Oh, second phase. Has this thing ever known defeat?||
I set it to that asap lmao
The camera, that is
5 was just too slow for my liking
vital schooner
i do have a question
does lock on just randomly stop working sometimes
or am i hitting a button
willow valley
You're probably hitting a button, or jerking the camera away from the locked enemy
That is if you're using hard lock-on
vital schooner
oh sorry, i thought lock on meant lock on, not my camera jerked so lock on doesnt work anymore
rigid dune
Ok. Really cool boss. Have to come back later.
rigid dune
oh sorry, i thought lock on meant lock on, not my camera jerked so lock on doesn...
You at balteus?
vital schooner
I was ya
rigid dune
He ded?
vital schooner
Gave it a couple attempts then left
Nah
Gotta figure out what weapons and legs I want
def wish i could customize the UI though
game is way too chaotic to have all the info on a moving target
rancid siren
the main things you gotta watch are the projectiles and the beeping sound with the red indicator
willow valley
Armored Core has been demanding spacial awareness since the PS2
rancid siren
dw you get used to it
willow valley
Indeed
willow valley
vital schooner
why...why didnt you auto translate then screen shot that
willow valley
You can just click the link
willow valley
See, you're capable
vital schooner
interesting, i never paid any attention to from soft balance patches but iirc they dont say details or everything and the community just kinda has to figure it out
willow valley
No, actually they have a whole website dedicated to telling us what happens in a patch
vital schooner
well fighting games was a disaster today so lets make it worse by dying to this boss fight
or not
vital schooner
i just want to play the silly robot game
why does steam all of a sudden suck these past 2 years
rigid dune
Finished chapter 4.
Gotta put respect on dual zimmermans. Carried my ass. Maybe because my shoulder weapons are pretty one-note. Stun needle and songbird for direct damage output. || Cel was basically a dark souls boss. You just have to wait for openings and do the thing. Had to swap out assault armor for terminal armor for survivability in phase 2||
vital schooner
by the time i can play im going to be too tired
well
the game wont launch now
man i hate tech issues
yup great fucking night of video gaming
maybe when i wake up tomorrow everything will be better
vital schooner
the energy sword is so ass bro
and i cant use the set up i want cuz i run out of fucking ammo
i love game design that punishes the way i wanna play
maybe i went into this game expecting the wrong thing. i wanted a mech game where i build my own mech and fuck shit up. what i got from my pov is a game where i have to min max my build and instead of having what i think is fun im forced to treat the bosses as this stupid ass puzzle and grind out the credits to afford the parts i need
and im just not about that life right now
inner knoll
yeah i feel like the balance atm is very much skewed in certain AC parts' and weapons' favor
i wanted to roleplay as a demolitionist from the Doser faction, but it seems like the pseudo-heavyweight build is just not that good
i found much more mileage from double joint ACs with the same weapons in some of the later fights and pvp
with very little AP cost
NG+ made the heavy build more viable but that was only like
3/4th of the game
rancid siren
Omg finally!
Now let's see if they actually fix the balancing issues in this game or just murder the Zimmermans
willow valley
Me too
rancid siren
It's not even entirely that they're broken af in this game
There's worse builds out there
It's just that everyone sticks to zimmermans so much
It's like Rivers of Blood in elden ring
Also aww they nerfed some of the main bosses
willow valley
Yeah
rancid siren
It's radahn all over again
I hope whatever next game they release from software pays more attention to balancing
Seeing it start to become a common complaint in their games
willow valley
I mean, with Radahn I feel it was warranted with how wonky some of the hitboxes were
But yeah, they definitely need to work on proper balancing
rancid siren
The only sad thing about the radahn nerf was that they made him pretty easy afterwards
willow valley
Yeah, the damage nerf was at least reverted, so that's nice
rancid siren
It feels more like they just didn't know where to put him and put him too early in the game for his difficulty
willow valley
I mean, you gotta be able to make it to Altus to fight him iirc
rancid siren
Yeah
But altus is still pretty early when all you need to do is fight godrick and rennala
Or even just go early with the medallions
rancid siren
But altus is still pretty early when all you need to do is fight godrick and ren...
Before feeling comfortable going to altus I mean, what a typical player would do
willow valley
True
rancid siren
did a fist only on balteus because i was bored and curious
rigid dune
How bad are the nerfs?
rancid siren
tbh i dont think balteus was hit that hard, the most i can say is his missiles might be a bit easier to dodge now???
rigid dune
Ok. I beat ||CEL|| yesterday, but I can't tell whether it was the prepatch version or the post patch version. It felt about the same. Mostly because the reverse joint AC had sufficient base speed that most of her attacks whiffed and I was only exploiting specific openings and didn't even bother firing during other times.
The balt nerfs are not really relevant in NG+, I think. I went back and replayed that mission a while ago and he folds pretty easily if you have good equipment. The difficulty first time around is mostly due to crappy gear.
inner knoll
true
vital schooner
can i get extra ammo packs
rancid siren
not really if im remembering right
willow valley
There's resupplies in levels sometimes
rancid siren
if you're having ammo trouble try using a different assortment of weapons
vital schooner
ok but i need those supply drops mid boss fight
rancid siren
or be more careful about ammo usage
rancid siren
something to pay attention to is when you use your hard lock, the reticle drags along before properly aiming at your enemy
so you could just be shooting and missing because of that
rancid siren
what's your loadout
vital schooner
no idea some plasma thing and something that looks like a magnum
rancid siren
do you have shoulder weapons?
rancid siren
hmmmm
i'd recommend switching out the pistol
it's good but it's tricky to use for bosses
if you have pulse guns those are pretty good for pulse shields
basically having like
pulse gun to break balteus' shield
and a proper gun for the direct hit damage
if you've done arena already you can also get the kick upgrade
which can help as a little boost in impact damage without needing other weapons
rigid dune
Yeah, I would lose the magnum for the sword. The linear rifle looks cool, but I don't know how much impact/shield damage it does.
Unless you are only doing charged shots, I don't think it is worth.
willow valley
Charged shots aren't worth it
I checked the damage to ammo consumption ratio, and it's basically never worth the charge shot
rancid siren
dont linear rifles have alot of ammo
vital schooner
the sword locks me out of doing anything for like 8 seconds
plus i dont wanna be all up in their face
willow valley
Maybe with your other gun, but it should still allow you to use shoulder weapons
vital schooner
i also dont like having to limit myself to a play style cuz something is impossible
rigid dune
THey did nerf balt, so he should be a lot more manageable now. I think ppl have defeated him with like dual assault rifle + dual missiles.
Do you have assault armor?
Sword is pretty versatile coz it does a) stagger, b) good shield damage c) good direct damage.
So, it is useful in all situations against balt.
You can also swap out magnum for a bazooka.
It looks just as cool and does good impact/shield damage.
vital schooner
i unno, i finally got my ssd delivered so im installing some things on it
and will try it again
but this issue is the same ive had with almost all of fromtsoft games and their balancing team
vital schooner
i think im just done with this game
words cannot convey just how much i hate the energy sword
yeah i hate this game
sorry
i wish i could refund it
should have trusted my instinct on hour 1
instead i told myself itll get more fun
spoilers it doesnt
willow valley
yeah i hate this game
Okay
pure valley
long shot, but anyone know if itll be on sale soon?
willow valley
I really doubt it
rancid siren
from soft games dont go on sale for a long while
pure valley
:(
willow valley
DS3 went on sale for like the first time ever not too long ago so there's that
pure valley
nah ds3 went on sale like 2 Decembers ago
willow valley
That's still a massive time gap
willow valley
willow valley
I have not played Sekiro a lot
pure valley
i really liked it
rancid siren
i love sekiro
pure valley
but the walls were really rough
rancid siren
one of my favourite from soft games
pure valley
ape and rooftop i hated
rancid siren
i still need to do those boss gauntlets from that update
rancid siren
the final boss for sekiro is really hard but like
afterwards he is super super easy
im sure the boss gauntlet version will be cracked
solemn shell
demon of hatred is awesome i love him
solemn shell
im sure the boss gauntlet version will be cracked
he's super cool and very hard
wise ingot
im sure the boss gauntlet version will be cracked
he's actually kind of the same
he has like one new move
or something
maybe two i forgot
i think the hardest Inner boss is probably ||Inner Father||
rigid dune
Hmm. I hate these kind of decision points where ||I am the only hope for both sides||.
This just makes me feel like ||both endings are bad tbh on an emotional level||.
@willow valley @inner knoll @rancid siren Aight. I am outsourcing this decision. ||a) Aid Ayre or b) Aid Carla||.
willow valley
||You wanna kill everyone or just kill the corporations?||
rigid dune
||Kill the corp. I presume that is aid Ayre||
||I just feels gross betraying Carla and Walter||
Dunno why I am having an actual reaction to this plot. I usually just ignore that stuff.
willow valley
||It's a good plot||
rigid dune
||Walter worked so hard. Well, he made us work hard.||
eager gyro
i found a friend :)
rigid dune
How the fuck do you dodge these micro missiles
willow valley
I dunno, I just kinda burst them down fast enough to not have to deal with it a shit ton
rigid dune
aight. Got them. Got lucky I think. ||Dual zim and Dual stun needles kinda burst down carla from half health and she didn't get a chance to heal.||
I think that is supposed to be the strat. Get them to half HP and then one shot them.
rigid dune
snail = bitch
vital schooner
thats a mean thing to call a cute little bug thing
willow valley
snail = bitch
Fr fr
rigid dune
I don't think I am going to enjoy ending B, but I do want to fight that boss.
upper bane
rigid dune
Balt went down to dual ludlow + dual basic bitch missile launcher. That is like a huge improvement compared to NG.
vital schooner
wish it was me
rigid dune
I was disrespecting him. Kicked his face.
rigid dune
It is a good melee replacement if you don't want the sword.
Does a decent bit of stagger and direct damage.
Assault armor is also good.
Assault armor has helped me finish out so many ac fights.
solemn shell
assault kick is super fun, especially with tanks and quads
vital schooner
same
vital schooner
lies of p soon
vital schooner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2yAnTZjX6g&ab_channel=Northernlion
man finally watched his final attempt, i do gotta be playing this game wrong cuz he killed it in like 36 seconds. chunking that hp bar
rigid dune
~~lies of p soon~~
Let's see the reviews.
pure valley
In your guy's opinion, is ac6 worth thr 60$
eager gyro
yes
rigid dune
Depends on your definition of content. It has fewer bosses than your typical souls game. The mission based structure means there is very little downtime and constant action, but also some missions that fit the "That could have been an e-mail" archetype. The NG+ and NG++ adds new stuff, but not a lot of new stuff. The main meat of the game is trying to S-rank missions which is very very rewarding and fun, especially if you are the sort that experiments with different setups and not running optimal stuff all the time. Also, very very solid plot with a very likeable core of NPCs, which is very unlike fromsoft games where they are barely intellegible half the time.
pure valley
Wym
You don't like knight 3 laughing at you ?
But thank you
Looks like I'm spending money this week
rigid dune
vital schooner
im not a huge fan of it but im told it opened up a lot in later chapters
rancid siren
In your guy's opinion, is ac6 worth thr 60$
in england most games are £60 here while ac6 and elden ring were both £50
i'd say it's a fair price for ac6 and an omg wow price for elden ring
pure valley
ER was def an excellent purchase
rancid siren
ER is about twice the length of AC6 and that's the first playthrough alone
ER is an absolute steal for quality content
wise ingot
ER is kinda special
Definitely not the standard that games should be held up to
But it's kind of incredible
rancid siren
i think the only thing elden ring ever lacked for me was when you've played it enough that you no where everything is
you reach a point where there's no reason to stop and look and search everything
and you just end up riding torrent like 10 minutes from place to place
a bit tedious but yeah
maybe something they can hopefully look into if they ever attempt a game of that scale again
oh yeah
also the multiplayer not having covenants
and the multiplayer being restricted to only letting you invade when people do coop
which initially is okay
because there were millions of players
but long term hurt the invasion multiplayer
pure valley
yeah this was my biggest complaint on subsequent playthroughs
it felt like a slog to get +7-9 weapons
rancid siren
every start of a playthrough feels like a to-do list
solemn shell
Depends on your definition of content. It has fewer bosses than your typical sou...
it has fewer bosses than your typical souls game cause its not a souls game
at all
vital schooner
||alright i beat belltits, guess mech flying kick into sword is a good combo||
solemn shell
ER is about twice the length of AC6 and that's the first playthrough alone
length, yeah, quality,,,,,, debatable
eager gyro
Depends on your definition of content. It has fewer bosses than your typical sou...
recent fromsoft games at least
pure valley
really though ER is really well paced
rancid siren
length, yeah, quality,,,,,, debatable
i thought it was all pretty decent beyond the copy paste areas
solemn shell
but theres just so much filler content
eager gyro
armored core's always had a decent cast of core npcs from what i remember
solemn shell
without any of the filler it would straight up just be a normal sized good game
rancid siren
i always felt like the copy paste stuff was never intended to all be played in a single playthrough, like they wanted you to experience everything but not miss out because you missed an area
it sucks but that's what i felt they tried to do
solemn shell
honestly i liked elden ring a lot more on the subsequent playthroughs
after i had figured out the map more
that way i could focus on the combat
and elden ring has my favorite combat of the more soulsy fromsoft games
rancid siren
that one mountain in liurnia confused me for so long on my first playthrough
rancid siren
yeah
solemn shell
dont remember the name of it but it doesnt matter
moon something
it confused me for a while too
rancid siren
the big plateau you can only go on from doing the quest with ranni
solemn shell
yeah when i finished the quest i was like "OHHHH"
rancid siren
i liked that there were two moons
and also the moonlight greatsword
that was pretty great
solemn shell
moonlight greatsword was my weapon the entire first playthrough
it was a really good moonlight greatsword quest
some of the other games its more obscure and stuff
rancid siren
i was honestly worried doing a sorcery playthrough of elden ring because past souls games would have the sorcery teachers locked behind some door in someone's basement under a castle that was destroyed by nukes and covered in snow and then had another castle built on top of it
solemn shell
i did a sorcery only playthrough
rancid siren
like it was so easy to miss on the first playthrough but elden ring was pretty nice about it
solemn shell
surprisingly fun but man that was easy
willow valley
i always felt like the copy paste stuff was never intended to all be played in a...
Miyazaki did go on record to say you're not supposed to do everything
solemn shell
the only problem boss was renalla of all things
rancid siren
suppose i was right about it
solemn shell
oh well rykard was pretty bad too
vital schooner
i think im in the minority of gamers that when i see credits roll i lose all motivation to keep playing the game. i find ng+ kinda boring. why i was kinda sad after i bought the game and played for more than 2 hours than i learned about ac6 ng+ stuff
solemn shell
still not usually bosses that are difficult
pure valley
oh well rykard was pretty bad too
preach
rancid siren
the only problem boss was renalla of all things
i switched my weapon to frost and it worked for me
solemn shell
preach
not bad like not good
bad like hard with magic only
i like rykard usually
he's not perfect but he is pretty cinematic and its just yhorm but better
rancid siren
he's the best gimmick boss they've done for sure
rancid siren
i mean gimmick like
solemn shell
gimmick weapon boss?
solemn shell
well theyve only done 3 so not a high bar but its true
rancid siren
tbf
solemn shell
he is the best of them
yhorm is straight up just more fun if you dont use storm ruler
rancid siren
if you lessen the definition and include bosses like the dragon god from demon's souls then you still have no competition
dragon god is so ass
solemn shell
thats not a boss
willow valley
gimmick weapon boss?
I wouldn't say the Serphent Hunter is a gimmick
solemn shell
glorified puzzle section more like
solemn shell
the weapon itself isnt a gimmick
but the fact that its the intended method of fighting
rancid siren
i did like the dragon bone smasher you get if you go full white tendency into the boss tho
solemn shell
glorified puzzle section more like
similar to painting monkeys
folding screen monkeys
willow valley
Can you imagine how fucking insane it would be if it kept the wind jets outside of the fight?
rancid siren
i played the ps5 remake and also found a glitch that let you get dragon bone smasher without white tendency too so funny
solemn shell
yeah there was a glitch to make it do that
something with weapon swapping and ghiza's wheel
willow valley
I should see if there's a mod for it
rancid siren
Can you imagine how fucking insane it would be if it kept the wind jets outside ...
how to make fire giant fun
willow valley
Because it'd be really funny if you can do a whole playthrough with that shit
eager gyro
micolash rolls "worst gimmick boss ever" asked to leave from software
solemn shell
its similar to the glitch in ds3 where you can make a greatbow shoot at the speed of gael's repeating crossbow
solemn shell
micolash rolls "worst gimmick boss ever" asked to leave from software
bed of chaos
wise ingot
micolash rolls "worst gimmick boss ever" asked to leave from software
bed of chaos crying in the corner
solemn shell
yeah]
rancid siren
i was gonna say dragon god but yeah bed of chaos
eager gyro
bed of chaos is shit i just have a seething hatred for micolash's laugh
willow valley
Bed of Chaos be even slightly decent challenge
rancid siren
i can do bed of chaos pretty decent now but omfg you have to learn spacing and positioning so well and do it first try or you suffer for eternity
literally would go in for that final jump one time i'd get swiped everytime
i watch a video
the guy goes slightly left from where i was jumping
never got swiped
hate bed of chaos
willow valley
Thank fucking god it saves your progress
rancid siren
they had to have known
pure valley
micolash rolls "worst gimmick boss ever" asked to leave from software
ah kos or some say kosm
rancid siren
but they could've also not made the boss in the first place and just make it sad when there's no boss
sorta like that lady in demon's souls
solemn shell
she's the chaos witch she cant just not have a boss fight
rancid siren
she's a lil bug on the ground
have the tree be dead from it's own fire and it'd work
willow valley
she's a lil bug on the ground
Yeah, cuz she fuched up
solemn shell
you know there is one of her daughters outside of the arena
rancid siren
truee
solemn shell
thats kinda like velstadt in astraea
rancid siren
yeah exactly
rancid siren
isnt velstadt the bell knight in ds2
willow valley
thats kinda like velstadt in astraea
Vendrick is still jacked regardless though
solemn shell
wait what does vendrick have to do with this
willow valley
Velstadt guards Vendrick
solemn shell
oh i didnt know
if velstadt had a nickel for every "boss" he guarded, he'd have two nickels, which isnt a lot, but its weird that it happened twice
solemn shell
its velstadt
rancid siren
it may look like a bell but i dont hear no bell
solemn shell
okay maybe they are different
rancid siren
if you squint your eyes
solemn shell
similar helmet but thats about it
for some reason i remembered them as looking the exact same
willow valley
It's the weapon and the helmet
rancid siren
i like that one guy in demon's souls who just is super tough for no reason and just lets you beat him up to prove if you're worthy of his sword
old king i think
rancid siren
i liked his silly voice
solemn shell
i dont know his voice
i just know he's awesome
i couldnt get past 1-1 the amount of space between checkpoints is just unbearable for me
i want to finish at some point but its not first on my list of games to finish
rancid siren
i definitely think demon's souls has some of the hardest areas in all the souls games
but the bosses are very easy
most are gimmick bosses
solemn shell
the bosses do not look difficult for sure
penetrator and false king allant and stuff look cool though
rancid siren
they're neat
very obviously early iterations of better bosses they'd make in later games
rancid siren
i like manus
solemn shell
and he would be like the perfect boss if they simply put him in ds3
held back by the jank of ds1
rancid siren
i've done sl1 manus before it's actually very fun because the reinforced club is a fun weapon
rancid siren
just bully his hand
solemn shell
artorias was just fully good
i liked all the dlc bosses except for sanctuary guardian actually
kalameet included
rancid siren
reinforced club heavy attack one of the best moves in the sl1 experience
solemn shell
i didnt have heavy attacks for a fair amount of my ds1 playthrough
rancid siren
it's got such a nice lunge to it, nice damage and is really good to punish bosses for missing
you can get really precise with it's movement too
solemn shell
because i had a problem with the keybind and i figured heavy attacks just didnt exist in ds1
solemn shell
later i realized they totally exist so i had to figure out the keybind problem
luckily i figured it out before getting smough's hammer
rancid siren
you missed out on some of the silly weapon heavy attacks
like the dragon tail greatsword heavy attack that just does an aoe
solemn shell
i missed out on a lot of silly weapons in general im sure
smough's was my weapon for the entire second half
really fun weapon
rancid siren
i think my first playthrough was with halberd
solemn shell
i used gargoyle halberd for a whil
i hated ds1 at first, it got much better after in the second half when i had fast travel and a good weapon
vital schooner
my first play through with dark souls was a caster build but i saw a streamer with zwelander and i wanted to try that so i made a new character, got to OS and couldnt do it after hours so i went back to my mage, forgot he was a paper cannon and killed both of them in 4 spells each
rancid siren
i find faith builds to be ridiculously hard to do OS on generally
my go to is that occult club you can find in the havel armor room
solemn shell
arent faith builds hard no matter who you're fighting
rancid siren
faith builds are pretty goated tbh
solemn shell
oh im thinking of miracles
vital schooner
depends on the version
solemn shell
weird i thought there was a joke about miracles only being really hard
rancid siren
you can some decent miracles early like the gravelord miracle that does swords everywhere
rancid siren
weird i thought there was a joke about miracles only being really hard
try miracles in dark souls 3
vital schooner
my favourite part in dark souls was the early cheese of gravelord
where you would just wear that stone armor and he cant knock you down so you just slowly walk up to him and drink flasks cuz he cant break your poise
then you slap him around
solemn shell
try miracles in dark souls 3
i still got a lot of stuff to do in ds3
solemn shell
ive done a normal playthrough, a katanas only playthrough, and im in the middle of a no-hit one
rancid siren
everything is flame resistant in ds3 and it sucks
solemn shell
katanas only probably sounds like a weird idea but the thing was cause i was cosplaying sekiro
not sekiro
sephiroth
so i just used katanas and pyromancy
with the end goal of getting the washing pole
rancid siren
everything is flame resistant in ds3 and it sucks
using pyromancy in the dlc is actually hell
especially ringed city
demon prince?
they're on fire
midir?
he's a fuckin dragon
gael?
somehow he's fire resistant
when i did a sorcery build it was so refreshing
rancid siren
yeah somehow gael has fire resistance
solemn shell
yeah it would be hard to kill gael with pyromancies even if he wasnt resistant
rancid siren
pyromancy has decent tracking if i remember right
vital schooner
i tried to paint some warhammer figures like the princes
rancid siren
so the fireballs will hit if you dont be silly with it
vital schooner
i wasnt talented enough
i thought these looked like the princes and it was my first time trying to paint like fire/ embers inside the limbs
it was terrible
rancid siren
i always liked the flame sword you get from their soul
you can use it to cast pyromancies which is honestly cool for pvp
willow valley
and he would be like the perfect boss if they simply put him in ds3
Ornstein on his way to be in every DS title
rancid siren
Atleast he never kept his charge attack tracking from dark souls 1
Where he gets stuck on a pillar for a bit and zooms instantly into you
rigid dune
vital schooner
dang where you grinding credits while you were grinding me in sf6
rigid dune
I just don't spend all tha tmuch
rigid dune
Finished ch3. I really like the new variant of that dam complex mission. A lot more challenging.
inner knoll
trail oxide
rigid dune
||Ayre is cool.||
inner knoll
inner knoll
rigid dune
2 endings down
vital schooner
that was quick
rigid dune
I learnt all the fights pretty well the first go around.
And the alternate/new missions were about the same difficulty.
Probably struggled the most against the ||triple AC fight in defend the dam complex mission. I was stubborn with my default dual ludlow dual laser cannon setup, but switcihing to stun needle made short work of ACs. ||
vital schooner
i should play again since i finished ch1, but ive been reading and labbing instead
kinda just waiting for lies of p and cyberpunk new update
vital schooner
in your souls like games do you guys prefer 2 bosses at once or one boss that when killed gets full healed and a totally different boss comes out
vital schooner
what do you mean god skin duo is a perfectly fun boss and i absolutely do not want to slap the dev who added it in the game
rigid dune
When will fromsoft abandon its obsession with ||wheel skeletons||?
Just because you gave them a different name doesn't mean we are going to have a good time.
rigid dune
This has to be the worst gank in the history of fromsoft games.
No cover. No place to hide.
willow valley
100% it is
willow valley
You gotta be agressive as fuck
inner knoll
When will fromsoft abandon its obsession with ||wheel skeletons||?
they're funny tho
||Helianthus machines|| are pretty annoying tho if you're in a gank situation
and unlike the skeletons, they have pretty specific weak spots
willow valley
and unlike the skeletons, they have pretty specific weak spots
You can also just guaranteed stun them when they're turning
inner knoll
ye
rigid dune
looks like lies of P is shaping up to be good.
vital schooner
yup people are enjoying it for sure
vital schooner
lots of people who i trust have pretty much been repeating the same lines "lies of p is a great souls like game that feels like bloodborne mixed with sekiro. and they actually have the fromsoft soul where almost all souls games feel like they are lacking or empty compared to fromsoft games " more or less
inner knoll
truly the soulsbornekiro ring core game of all time
rancid siren
i wouldnt be surprised if cut concepts for Tomoe for a potential sekiro dlc was cut and reused for elden ring and malenia
inner knoll
the Land of Reeds pops up in elden ring lore but nothing major actually happens
and the samurai class
that is a thing too
rancid siren
souls games tend to have brief descriptions of basically japan
Dark Souls had like "Far Eastern lands" where all the katanas and people come from who use them
inner knoll
oh yea
rancid siren
yeh
it's a bit funny that they have guys like this who feel like foreshadowing of future fromsoft games
like the bloodborne guy in the ds1 dlc
solemn shell
marvelous chester
fun fact the team that made the dlc also made bloodborne so they likely used chester as inspiration
rancid siren
that actually explains alot of the design in bloodborne
solemn shell
and theres a reference to chester in bloodborne
an armor set right where you get picked up by the amygdala
he says he was "dragged to this land by a shadowy limb" or something like that so its probably a reference to that
inner knoll
damn
solemn shell
a lot of people use it as evidence that bloodborne and ds worlds are connected
i say thats dumb and its just a reference, though it is a cool one
inner knoll
one is a medieval fantasy and the other is birmingham on a good day
i don't really see it ngl
solemn shell
people try to connect all the fromsoft games and i just dont get it
it makes more sense for like demons souls and dark souls
those are similar vibes
inner knoll
elden ring is pretty isolated from... well, everything, it's one big lone continent/island
solemn shell
elden ring is like norse mythology almost
inner knoll
the story definitely feels like it
like
concepts like death either manifesting as spirits or objects of power
solemn shell
tbh im mostly going off of the erdtree/worldtree thing
inner knoll
oh yeah
that too
next people are gonna connect the entirety of armored core to the souls trilogy kek
solemn shell
for sure
inner knoll
iirc, the first game basically takes place in a not so distant future
and in later games, humanity is forced out into space and explore the vast space
willow valley
and in later games, humanity is forced out into space and explore the vast space
No, 6 is the only game where space travel is at all feasible
In 2nd gen humanity was forced underground by the AI Nineball
And in 4th gen they lived on flying cities
inner knoll
oh boy here we go lmao
willow valley
Is the enitre planet of Guilty Gear gonna be covered in deathy radiation in the near future?
vital schooner
lies of p is installed, lets see if i can even play it
solemn shell
lies of pee
its bad because uhhh? i dont know i cant think of a funny reason
the demo was great
didnt finish it entirely but it was cool
vital schooner
alright i played lies of p for a few hours on gamepass and everything working fine. i like it
last wing
lies of pee
last wing
alright i played lies of p for a few hours on gamepass and everything working fi...
I want to play it so bad, dawg
Had my eye on it ever since it first got announced
vital schooner
on gamepass if that maters
last wing
I don't have gamepass
And it's too expensive (plus probably too much for my laptop to run) rn
vital schooner
for sure
last wing
I rarely drop full price for games anyway
rigid dune
I bought it on steam and then realized I had gamepass.
last wing
vital schooner
can always refund 🙃
rigid dune
I did
vital schooner
rigid dune
Aight. Got 3 endings. Uninstall time.
The last ending...was kinda screwy.
Solid A plot with a S-tier supporting cast.
||Iguazu is really funny. Spite is the most efficient energy resource and he tapped into like a real boss.||
vital schooner
told you it was something to watch out for
wasnt able to play any today though
im on the 3rd boss though
vital schooner
nope
rigid dune
Leaving the souls outside of boss arena on death and resetting elevator is some QoL 101 that fromsoft should take notes on..
Yeah, I am at that boss too.
I didn't really count ||Mad donkey|| as a boss.
Really good atmosphere though.
vital schooner
ah i counted anyone who has an hp bar with their name as a boss
solemn shell
Leaving the souls outside of boss arena on death and resetting elevator is some ...
leaving souls outside is less of qol and more of just
different
in fromsoft games they want you to commit to bosses, so if you die you lose those souls entirely
you should hit your head against that wall over and over until you win
i mean if you die and then go somewhere else you lose them
rigid dune
Not really though. I would just homeward bone out if I wanted the souls that badly.
vital schooner
nah if that was true then homeward boners wouldnt be an item
rigid dune
Like, I have done like soul resuce runs against the boss.
vital schooner
its just annoying
rigid dune
It only really matters hwen you run into the boss accidentally. Then you have to go rescue it in case you lose to the boss. Other times you will just spend and not care about it whatever minimal souls you have..
vital schooner
the elevator thing confused the fuck out of me the first time i died
"wait i didnt send it up did it? i took it down right? why is it here already?"
vital schooner
i love the collectibles
im trying a balance build
no idea if its viable in this game
rigid dune
Also, throwable scales with you stats?!!
That's awesome.
I only got one collectible so far.
vital schooner
||you can get records for the record player and i was expecting a juke box thing but the one i found was completely unique music so def going to be trying to find all of them if possible||
vital schooner
sounds right
rigid dune
I heard good things about that ||track||
vital schooner
parrys feel really nice in this game
i liked it in sekiro but it was so easy to cheese it
vital schooner
this one you actually gotta have good reflexing and timing
rigid dune
So, you can't use it as a sustain mechanic.
vital schooner
you shouldnt lose hp at all on a perfect parry
do you lose hp but destroy their weapon and thats the trade off?
rigid dune
Yeah, but I thought perfect guard would let you regain HP that you didn't lose during that interaction.
rigid dune
Yeah, it's mostly a stagger bar mechanic.
vital schooner
that would be cool but i think that would be way too strong
rigid dune
I would put the parry system on par with Sekiro's parry system. Tbh, this combat system kinda stands out on its own. It's weird mix of sekiro and bloodborne.
solemn shell
Yeah, but I thought perfect guard would let you regain HP that you didn't lose d...
doesnt that seem kinda dumb
rigid dune
that would be cool but i think that would be way too strong
Does the dodge have iframes?
vital schooner
im going to be honest i assume so but ive only been parrying
rigid dune
Also, defensive fable art seems like an in place dodve with hella iframes on the wintery rapier handle.
Yeah, me too.
I use it to run away for the most part.
vital schooner
i heard the dodge is better than when the demo came out from streamers
so i assume it has i frames
rigid dune
Good to know. I don't trust myself with the dodge input yet coz AC 6 had dodge on X instead of B.
vital schooner
i cant tell if you are talking about controller inputs or keyboard
rigid dune
X box 360 controllee.
rigid dune
That thing is 10 years old now and still functional. Proud of it.
I bought it to play dark souls 1 when I was in grad school.
vital schooner
back when companies made controllers that dont drift
vital schooner
finished the boss and man i love the parry mechanic. i had one attempt where i had no hp left and no hp pots and the boss went into his flurry attacks and i had to perfect parry everything. i did got a hp charge back and the fight kept on
rigid dune
I got him too.
Very fun fight.
Definitely appreciate the sekiro influence. I like how you can encroach upon the boss's space coz of the defensive mechanics.
Also, it looks like if you do regular guard on their attack and then perfect guard the follow ups, you still regain health. So, as long as you are like perfect guarding like most of the attacks, you can take advantage of the guard regain window to heal.
vital schooner
||did you perfect parry his phase shift aoe? i did by accident and i was like oh this is good||
rigid dune
||Nah, just kinda backed off and used it to repair the weapon||
vital schooner
ah
vital schooner
i am now counting bosses only as the ones who gives achievements, of which i got the 4th one now, still counting the ||sweeper ||
rigid dune
Imma sit out this channel for a while. This is the first soulslike in a long time that I am going into relatively blind and gonna keep it that way.
vital schooner
good call, friend wanted to race me and i was like "i only play like an hour at a time and i wanna soak in the surroundings and enjoy it"
inner knoll
hm
wonder what people considered the best armored core game before 6 dropped
i'm not saying 6 is a masterpiece compared to the others, that's why i'm asking lol
speaking of,maybe i should go back and look for combat logs
wise ingot
I think for answer was one of the best?
inner knoll
that seems to be the fan favorite yeah
willow valley
Yeah, FA was widely regarded as the best one prior to 6
inner knoll
oh yeah, i finally found a better strat to take on ||Ibis/Cel||
with the same build
and i'm happy i did
i kinda love it more now
inner knoll
kinda proud of this ngl
if you know, you know
rigid dune
Is that the ||CEL|| mission?
I found the fight against ||Materlinck and the redgun AC way harder than the CEL fight. CEL is really fragile and goes down to staggered missiles pretty quickly.||
wise ingot
Elden Ring is so fun.
vital schooner
so my GF likes this character and i always forget who she is and what shes from. shes called KOS-MOS and everytime we have this convo i say the same dumb joke
"ahhh kos, or some say kosm"
micolash is prob one of the lamest bosses from fromsoft in terms of a fight but one of the best in terms of voice actor and lore
willow valley
His VA absolutely kills it
vital schooner
the speedrun strat to prevent him from running is also one of my favourites
inner knoll
I found the fight against ||Materlinck and the redgun AC way harder than the CEL...
yeah, that's the one
||idk, i just took a more aggressive route with dual scatter bazookas, sweet sixteen and explosive thrower with kicks and such||
it ain't foolproof, but i got to learn more about how the boss works
kicks can actually slightly extend the stun duration
after a stagger
willow valley
I found the fight against ||Materlinck and the redgun AC way harder than the CEL...
I dunno what it is about ||Ibis|| but even after mastering the fight down to the most optimal I can get it, it still kicks my ass for some reason
inner knoll
yeah
willow valley
No other fight gives me as much trouble as ||Ibis||
willow valley
Fr
I think it's the speed and availability of their quick boost that gives me so much trouble
inner knoll
yeah, found myself whiffing a lot of kicks when i thought they'd stay still
mainly utilizing assault boost in that fight
willow valley
I legit learned to move preemptively on every move to snipe with melees
willow valley
Yeah, cause you got those fucking airbender legs
willow valley
I should do another playthrough trying out some of the more assorted melees
inner knoll
wym?
willow valley
I have legit only ever used stock and ML
inner knoll
and redshift, or whatever that one is called
willow valley
Redshift is literally just the same weapon but it deals more damage and impact
inner knoll
fair enough lol
willow valley
Imo, Redshift is the best melee in the game
inner knoll
i thought about using stun baton more cuz of the electric damage
i think one of the vespers used that and was kinda annoying
willow valley
Electric Distarge is kinda toxic I'm not even gonna lie
inner knoll
electricity iirc builds up a seperate kinda stagger
willow valley
Yeah, because it basically is
inner knoll
apparently it reduces your resistance to heat based attacks? that's what BAD COOK's description says i think
Brute's flamethrower
willow valley
Dogshit status
rigid dune
yeah, that's the one
||idk, i just took a more aggressive route with dual scatt...
The second time around I ran like dual ludlow + the 10 missile launchers. If you fire the launchers 1 after another, like half of them hit coz she is vuln anytime she stops to attack and that's really good stagger buildup. I just keep closing the distance and hold down the trigger while the missiles do their thing.
Pretty sure you know her common openings, but the big one to watch out for is the one where she flies up and comes down with a sword slash. If you dodge the left, you end up right in front of her and she is in recovery. It's a near guaranteed stagger situation.
inner knoll
fair i suppose
i kinda just like big burst damage rather than nipping at the enemy's feet
if RNJesus is on my side, i can cook her easily
like
first phase is down in 3 minutes kinda cook
rigid dune
Might be your specific build. I think I cna consistently take her down to second phase in like a min and half with the reverse joint setup that I mentioned. Haven't tried to s rank it yet though. I hate the first AC fight.
inner knoll
a lot of things depend on your build in 6 specifically lmao
willow valley
first phase is down in 3 minutes kinda cook
First phase should be down in like a minute what are you cooking with
Certainly not gas
inner knoll
||maybe i got lucky on that mission with the first few ACs||
inner knoll
First phase should be down in like a minute what are you cooking with
inconsistent "openings" and me tanking a bit too much and getting staggered
willow valley
inner knoll
but it's usually fine cuz i'm hella tanky
i'd have 1-2 repair kits left for phase 2
also
i followed a guide to get the remaining combat logs but like
apparently i'm missing some missions-
i'm gonna need to play through the game again
willow valley
You done everything in all the NG cycles?
inner knoll
everything you need to, yes
well, except i took the side of the rubiconians on both of the first runs, and then just chose a different mission in the endgame lol
so i could've missed one or two run specifics
rigid dune
Yeah, second time around, I actively had to roleplay the asshole and turn down rlf missions.
willow valley
Time for another playthrough
inner knoll
yup
i actually started another cuz i thought i missed some analysis subjects
turns out the game was bugged
willow valley
Damn
inner knoll
the last three ||Steel Haze Ortus, HAL, and ECHO|| were missing in the NG+3 run for some reason lmao
but then they came back once i completed the first mission after Illegal Entry
oh yeah, some chest unlocks i probably missed as well
because i didn't beat those missions
inner knoll
Yeah, second time around, I actively had to roleplay the asshole and turn down r...
shame only the last few choices truly matter
willow valley
At least they hit you early with NG++