fair tbh
#Monster Hunter
wide oyster
I think there's a lot to like, but I see what you're saying
I wish the game released in a better state
optimization-wise
it's absurd it's been like this for so long
icy stump
real
wide oyster
but the game itself is so fun
icy stump
fucken shouldve sat in the oven for like a extra month or 2
wide oyster
real tbh
that would've given us a more complete endgame as well
rather than the Arkveld farming simulator we had
for the first 2 months
icy stump
i mean even still id argue wilds still shat the bed in terms of how it handled progression in general
wide oyster
it's like world, where getting to the endgame is such a chore
but the endgame is pretty good
icy stump
the fact i unironically spent as much time, if not more in pre hunts/cutscenes than i did in actual fights going through the main game is Insane to me
wide oyster
yeah
it's basically world 2.0
but slightly better
since you can skip cutscenes
and there's no Zorah Magdaros
icy stump
i mean yeah but you cant skip the walk up
wide oyster
yeah
all of these issues go away once you finish the story
and the game becomes fun
icy stump
honestly ill take the unskippable cutscenes introducing the monster in a cool way over walk+exposition dump any day of the fucking week
like im baffled mainline team is trying this hard to make me give a damn about the plot and failing this hard
heady goblet
fucken shouldve sat in the oven for like a extra month or 2
Or 6*
icy stump
real
i think its hilarious how a single quest in rise does storytelling better than all of wilds
that being gathering of the qurio
THAT
that is how you do storytelling in a monster hunter game!
its all show, no tell, and if you dont give a damn about it you can just run through and go ham on the monster to get to the next thing
sharp cedar
People are saying there were 8 hunters here
heady goblet
Well that would invite disaster, so that can't be the case
sharp cedar
Maybe its like safijiva where there were multiple teams
rose bison
that being gathering of the qurio
thats the banger lunagaron one right
icy stump
correct
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https://x.com/MH_Wilds/status/1988473914469872076?s=20
sharp cedar
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/s/eC7aX0934P
sharp cedar
analog osprey
That stray against lance was unnecessary
Like fuck did I do
Gog also def seems to be a siege fight
sharp cedar
Should be cool
Excited to see the weapons
Also I don’t hate artian but I also can’t be bothered to wear a focus 3 charm for my gs so you know
analog osprey
I js want them to rework artians
They keep fucking up the customisable weapons
They did in rise and artians are an absolute pain to get
sharp cedar
They said here they’re making it easier to get plus you can make it so that they have skills built into them
So it is gonna be improved
But still a pain nonetheless
analog osprey
They said here they’re making it easier to get plus you can make it so that they...
Well now I already have all my artians
icy stump
I hope the elemental shit is just a QoL/optimization thing and not them doing another eschaton judgement thing
wide oyster
https://fxtwitter.com/monsterhunter/status/1988638334608982100?s=20
he's weak to element?
time to bring a raw build
rose bison
i mean
that kinda just sounds like jyuratodus
use water element to soften the mud and then thunder once the mud is gone
except its probably more beneficial to actually use the weakness
cause i never actually cared about jyuratodus's weakness, the mud comes back way too fast for you to just switch weapons
hushed kelp
Kinda similar to lavasioth, just minus the part where the monster actively makes it easier for you to get rid of their armor
rose bison
you mean agnaktor
lavasioth is the boring version
jyuratodus but fire but with a name that should be a plesioth variant
icy stump
I'm still fucking livid the most consistent frontier monster we got in the mainline series was and still is lavasioth
Hypnocantrice and espinas showed up for like one game each
hushed kelp
jyuratodus but fire but with a name that should be a plesioth variant
When you design a monster and then retcon it into a variant while still trying to avoid acknowledging it's a retcon
hushed kelp
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analog osprey
What are we thinking ab the Gogmazios being a 4+ hunter fight
analog osprey
(most likely from the poster art)
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1oue4xb/every_weapons_best_worst...
sharp cedar
the worst matchup by world record results is lance vs omega
ls, sns, lbg are pretty good all around though
analog osprey
The devs do hate me specifically
What do you want me to say
I am literally John Lancemain
wide oyster
https://fxtwitter.com/Shincry/status/1988924492895125665?s=20
time for Fulgur Anjanath's comeback
from hero to zero to hero
icy stump
Oooooooooh
wide oyster
super nice qol since max might is broken
icy stump
That's good
icy stump
super nice qol since max might is broken
Well tbf it's the post base world version of MM
Which honestly I dunno why it got nerfed so hard
wide oyster
max might is lowkey the best skill in the game
sharp cedar
my build rn is pretty bad cause I don't know what I want
icy stump
You had WeX being the same thing but with 20 extra affinity with arguably a easier condition
wide oyster
my build rn is pretty bad cause I don't know what I want
Basically, use 2p omega 2p nu udra shadowbringer
every good gs set runs that atp
icy stump
max might is lowkey the best skill in the game
Honestly I'd say it's prolly agitator
Free affinity and damage at the low cost of the monster being mad? Shits awesome in this game
wide oyster
I have Agitator 1...
tbh I prefer the constant uptime of max might
monsters aren't always angry
and you can't force them to be angry
world had the clutch claw for that
wilds has nothing
same with wex
I used to be a fan, but monsters barely get wounds anymore in the endgame
so I've lost a lot of faith in it
icy stump
Honestly I feel like they're more mad than not in recent games in general
icy stump
I used to be a fan, but monsters barely get wounds anymore in the endgame
This is definitely true
wide oyster
but world has clutch claw, so you can wallbang monsters to force instant aggro at the start of hunts
and you can just keep the aggro forever
icy stump
It's insane how hard WeX fell off in this game
heady goblet
Honestly I feel like they're more mad than not in recent games in general
Yeah, they're mad like 95% of the time since GU for one reason or another
sharp cedar
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1wQjsfk208s7LoyMYDBHZ2gs0JFQPLXw5-qAAyd91...
oh so its just crit draw build
sharp cedar
icy stump
Yeah, they're mad like 95% of the time since GU for one reason or another
Tbf in GU we were kinda overturned relative to the monsters, they had good reason to be mad 
wide oyster
oh
you're looking at the heroics version
there are multiple sets
that's one of them
icy stump
wex was good when the game first came out
It's sad flayer is as Dog shit as it is because that'd be cool to build wounds faster
heady goblet
Yep
wide oyster
but yeah counterstrike and max might are broken
they're always active
and always beneficial
icy stump
Honestly flayer at 5 should be as good as the bugged version was
sharp cedar
true shadowbringer is the favorite i see
heady goblet
Yeah
wide oyster
true shadowbringer is the favorite i see
procs omega and nu udra
heady goblet
One point of the bugged version fr fr
icy stump
the bugged version was trash
Nah wasn't it like that level 2 was wicked good
wide oyster
no reason to use an artian
wide oyster
I forget
but I remember it just being bad
there were much better skills back then anyways
gore was meta, so you'd be better off investing in anti-virus and the such
icy stump
Either way it's sad the flagships unique skills are both kinda ass
Which is insane cause the fucker gets TWO
wide oyster
maybe the MR flagship will have a better one
we all know how good Frostcraft and PMalz's set bonus were
icy stump
Can't wait for punished arkveld to finally get a good version of flayer lmao
Can't wait for wilds G to come out and the only additions they make to the fights is the monsters take way less damage unless you hit a wound, but then they add some annoying ass gimmick which lets you instantly open up a wound
wide oyster
tbh they're already adding so much to HR
that idk what MR is going to bring
beside 4 slot decos
wilds HR is lowkey as hard as a typical MR
if you look at the endgame fights
Savage Omega and 9* Tempered Gore are the stuff of nightmares
icy stump
It's hard in the way older games HR event quests were hard
The fights aren't hard from a learning the pattern angle, it's moreso you have less margin of error (buffed monster damage) and a longer timeframe to keep it up for (buffed HP)
And in the case of omega that guy has MMO mechanics you gotta deal with
Which honestly isn't really fun imo
wide oyster
yeah
I like Omega as a concept
but the fight is awful
farming up the entire set was painful
icy stump
Idk I feel like the mainline team forgot how to balance fights around improvements to our movesets, and instead of working on that, just makes monsters hit harder/tankier/etc
Like take Risebreak for example
Base rise the monsters were frankly, piss easy cause we HAD juiced movesets
So come sunbreak the portable team came up with designs to the monsters to make them better at fighting us in return
They got better tracking/moves designed to beat out counters with either weird timings or a purposefully delay, etc
icy stump
Like fuck it, make more monsters able to counter our offsets (I see you guardian dogashuma) make em have varied timings, or something
wide oyster
they made wirefall super finicky to use
they made the game lean super hard into broken counters
that trivialize fights
and a lot of the new monsters were pretty easy
all things considered
only the endgame fights really posed a challenge
I think it's an amazing dlc
icy stump
But they're more fun honestly
icy stump
Maybe I'm a weeny but like I'd rather have a kind of easy, fun fight than have a super pain in the ass fight that's got all this bullshit going on
wide oyster
fair
well, Arkveld is always there
to fulfill that niche
even his 9* 5-difficulty tempered form is trivial
icy stump
they made the game lean super hard into broken counters
Also in this regard while that is true you aren't forced to use them which is nice
wide oyster
if you have an offset and know the fight
wide oyster
Also in this regard while that is true you aren't forced to use them which is ni...
I mean, sure
but they're a part of the game
base wilds was really well balanced
if you never used wounds
that doesn't mean that it was actually balanced
take strongarm stance
not mandatory
but it made GS a MUCH better weapon
than it would be otherwise
strongarm stance is the only reason why GS is top tier in rise
swaxe's counter is similar
does a ton of damage
instantly charges amp
and puts you in sword
if you watch any swaxe speedrun
9/10 moves will be the counter
icy stump
I mean to argue Semantics I'd argue there is at least some difference there
Cause like wounds are baked into the base system of the game itself
As you fight monsters they naturally happen, and you're prolly going to pop them mid fight (a wilds "no wounds" challenge run sounds kinda interesting ngl)
Whereas stuff like strongarm or the swag axe counter are optional things you can use if you want
Hell sometimes you can use them in multiple different ways usually like strongarm, yeah I could run it with charge slash and spam TCSes, or I could run it with redirection/surge slash and become a neigh impervious dreadnought
Or I could use the swageaxe counter to power up my axe mode moveset
Etc
Inevitably when you have options for movesets there's going to be a "meta" setup, but the opportunity to customize said setup goes along way in the replayability
rose bison
they made wirefall super finicky to use
what are you even talking about
they didnt change wirefall
wide oyster
monsters will snipe you out of instant wirefall
since they have much better tracking
the meta is to wait a bit and then wirefall
which was definitely not the case in the base game
rose bison
yeah thats actively a good thing
its punishing you for just mashing out wirefall
sometimes you should do it right away, sometimes you should wait a bit
rewards you for learning the monster's moveset
and/or actually paying attention to it while wirefalling
its another layer that makes sunbreak monsters hard in a much more real way
wide oyster
see
I completely agree
it's a good change
but it goes against everything you've learned in base rise
it practically goes from 0->100
in the base game you can mash wirefall ASAP all you wnat
in fact, the game incentivizes this
the second you go to MR
it instantly becomes a problem
I think they could've eased players into it better
as I said earlier, I really like Sunbreak
icy stump
I mean fair but at the same time the earlier MR monsters do it so it kinda sets the precedent well
Cause realistically the start of MR you have more leniency
rose bison
true, the early MR monsters that dont really oneshot you and are mostly easier
rose bison
are those the only monsters in wilds
analog osprey
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Who the hell picks Omega as their comfort hunt
sharp cedar
Only in Japan
icy stump
Still
sharp cedar
You know how it is….
icy stump
I mean fair I suppose it's a decade old
But at the same time
It's less about that specifically and more about wilds
icy stump
Cause the games post launch sales bombed lower than rise and dmcv and shit
sharp cedar
hushed kelp
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icy stump
https://vxtwitter.com/SettleFray/status/1989437574608556106?s=20
It's even funnier cause gog was like, one of the like maybe 10 non subspecies large monsters not in that game
wide oyster
sharp cedar
seri what do you do against seregios
sharp cedar
ok let me be specific
wide oyster
do offset into roll offset into roll offset into roll offset
and win
you can get 5+ offsets in a long enough hunt
sharp cedar
so you know the main combo for him where he lunges first, lunges again, and then does two swipes
can i not perfect guard it
wide oyster
oh
perfect guard and then roll out of the way
you may be able to offset after the first perfect guard as well
you can't perfect guard the entire thing
wide oyster
perfect guard the first one
and then offset the second
or dodge it
don't wait until the swipes
sharp cedar
but what if i already did an offset
wide oyster
but yeah, my gameplan against seregios is to constantly do GS' offset attack
sharp cedar
so it does the half offset
wide oyster
you offset and then roll
in that case
or just guard the swipes
at that point
you'll probably perfect guard the first one
it's a tough hunt
especially 9* tempered
the base version is a good way to get practice in
if you want to just learn his combos and what you can do
it's a pretty fun hunt when you get the hang of it though
it just takes some time
sharp cedar
heady goblet
Executed Tigrex by turning it into Tigrex TS makes no sense
analog osprey
https://vxtwitter.com/decayingnorth/status/1989801949592784931?s=20
Deserved fate for any and all Tigrex
icy stump
Next portable team game hopefully
rose bison
sacred sheathe my beloved
sharp cedar
hushed kelp
Looking at the Magnamalo art for a second I thought the Tobi was Lagi for a second lol
icy stump
-Elder dinosaur lagi
-dragon Rathalos
I can feel the blood veins pop in me skull
Where's valstrax
If valstrax isn't in I'm gonna be pissed
sharp cedar
If valstrax isn't in I'm gonna be pissed
icy stump
Sick as fuck art tho
dire bison
Why does he have rockets on his wings
icy stump
Because he's THAT FUCKEN
COOL!!!
This is why portable team are the goats
They make shit like THAT
heady goblet
night ledge
heady goblet
sharp cedar
heady goblet
icy stump
HOLY PEAK
sharp cedar
Benchmark
sharp cedar
im ready for gogmazios
i just need to like
finish 3(?) finals or so
and then go to work the day it releases
and then play it
i think the worst thing I did at work was ask to leave early mid shift so I could get home right at 7 when wilds came out
sharp cedar
sharp cedar
sharp cedar
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icy stump
Damn
hushed kelp
Ceadeus really mad about Gog getting in, huh?
(For real though I hope nobody gets hurt if there is a tsunami and that it's a fairly mild one)
hushed kelp
"Nah, Imma do my own thing"
rose bison
11 pm is kinda crazy
sharp cedar
11 pm is kinda crazy
Are you from hawaii or Alaska
rose bison
yes
sharp cedar
I remember you saying one of those
But either way it should just be 12 am for you
Also they have a chance to be at the game awards too
rose bison
But either way it should just be 12 am for you
well no
it says pacific time 12 am
we're an hour before
unless PT is not pacific time
sharp cedar
I think there’s something wrong with me cause I was like wait that’s not really late so idk what you’re talking about but I forgot I go to sleep at 4
Sucks for you east coasters
rose bison
i dont think of it as really late either
its just kinda a weird time for one of those
hushed kelp
At midnight we Gog, I guess
sharp cedar
Dude
This looks hard
And so does arch tempered Jin dahaad
There’s gonna be plenty to do next week
Oh yeah
It’s peak
icy stump
The gog weapons are becoming artisans?
I get it
But at the same time that's kinda disappointing
heady goblet
He raided a fortress that had a railcannon
analog osprey
but which fortress just had a railcannon that fires a laser beam
where was weaponry like that when Fatty fried Schrade
heady goblet
The one Gog raided
night ledge
wide oyster
https://fxtwitter.com/monsterhunter/status/1999109594086355429?s=20
thank you capcom
for fixing some parts of swaxe
power axe buffs and counter buffs are nice
because both sucked before
hope the sword changes actually make it so FRS isn't completely optimal
icy stump
" we have a high tier elder living in our fireplace, what do"
"Make a BoW using dragon Satan cells to combat him"
"Genius!"
sharp cedar
icy stump
I'll believe it when I see it for myself
sharp cedar
I will believe it for myself when I play the game
and if I hear my pc run like a race car still then I won't believe it
this update looks promising though
topaz quartz
https://fxtwitter.com/monsterhunter/status/1999109594086355429?s=20
As an active LS player, I must say that I don't like the wilds version very much.
sharp cedar
As an active LS player, I must say that I don't like the wilds version very much...
What about it
That you don’t like that much
topaz quartz
The moveset is 10/10, very entertaining, just like the Rise version.
I have an issue with the window for some animations; a few attacks, even if you dodge them, you'll still get hit by the next one.
Maybe it's just me
I'm not very good either, but I feel like in the World version you could get away with certain mistakes that you couldn't in Wilds.
sharp cedar
I wish there was a site that lets you compare the two
topaz quartz
In my opinion, it's a matter of adjusting the invulnerability frames; I feel they're a bit shorter than in World and Rise.
But I must say, i love the bow in this game
sharp cedar
Honestly bow seems strong
I saw a clip of a bow user taking the agro from omega and just doing better than some other weapons
heady goblet
Perfect dodges are pretty cracked
sharp cedar
Man I haven’t fought zoh Shia In so long
I should revisit it for gog
Just for the lore
desert geyser
https://vxtwitter.com/Shincry/status/1999536744299975056?s=20
RTX 2060 on medium graphics???? I'm sorry but it's too hard to believe it would run THAT well on title update 3.
Like I genuinely don't believe it
sharp cedar
analog osprey
1 day until we gog
icy stump
Man I hope it runs well
night ledge
@wide oyster @sharp cedar gog tonight?
analog osprey
We should build streets out of Gogmazios
night ledge
Good for traction
icy stump
Roads built out of tar and metallic elder dragon scales
The ancient civilization would be proud of their descendants
icy stump
Prolly at least like a whole parking lot for like a medium sized store
icy stump
But he needs to eat sulfur to produce that
Are we letting him live and feeding him gunpowder to make roads?
analog osprey
keeping gog as livestock for tar generation
but my point mainly was that hypothetically you could drain the glands post mortem
gaining additional tar
icy stump
"honey I have to go milk the tar dragon"
And it's just a guy with like a comically large scraper scraping the tar off and throwing it in a bucket
I mean gog are for all intensive purposes pretty docile as long as they aren't hungry
Mostly because they sleep alot
analog osprey
just keep gog dusted at all times
icy stump
And considering we can make gunpowder at any time with fire herbs and nitro shrooms going by the old games combo list
analog osprey
we are truly thinking like monster hunters
icy stump
Just have a big enough field of the both of em with a big blender and boom
Unlimited tar generator
analog osprey
"how do i optimise gain out of this force of nature while also getting myself a new pair of boots"
icy stump
Look I'm just saying we could totally domesticate gog if we tried hard enough
... unironically sounds like a baller idea for a forge based town in a future MH game
analog osprey
townsquare gog
icy stump
Like the town is entirely predicated on keeping him fed and happy
In exchange they get unlimited tar for building and shit
analog osprey
honestly building out of tar doesnt sound that good
gog also radiates heat does he not
analog osprey
well okay fair, i think into the tar bit way too much
icy stump
Literally just mix the tar with sap plant and maybe a net
Also that'd make one helluva export
analog osprey
tar weapons
icy stump
Toaster fang gloves
Cause he does that thing where he clicks his teeth to ignite the dust he has
Mixing toaster dust with gog tar sounds like a match made in hell
analog osprey
https://fxtwitter.com/Shincry/status/2000461969082437813?s=20
5 am bruh
That's exactly when I gotta head to work
sharp cedar
For me it’s like 1 hour before my work ends
analog osprey
I mean that's like primetime
You get home do chores maybe, kick up your feet and gog
icy stump
Is that time today or tomorrow
sharp cedar
Today
wide oyster
<@186664898409922561> <@717589204468498495> gog tonight?
prob not tonight, sry
sharp cedar
these weapons look sick
analog osprey
<@186664898409922561> they change color based on element
This is so tuff
analog osprey
also these 3 look fun
Honestly that forest one looks painful as hell
sharp cedar
yo im doing the last 2, not the first one
i hate rathalos more than I hate everyone else here
cause I think poison is dumb
analog osprey
Your problem with Rathalos is poison?
I think there's more glaring issues
Mainly the fact that he acts like a fucking Cruise Missile
sharp cedar
Mainly the fact that he acts like a fucking Cruise Missile
i hate a few things
but i'll do all 3
you get the cool picture frames for rewards
we'll we're gonna be in the long stretch of no more title updates
i wonder what else they'll add
gog is honestly pretty well done with everything but the support hunters make it a little easier
rose bison
cause I think poison is dumb
i think ive gotten poisoned from a rathalos maybe like,,, twice?
sharp cedar
so omega is honestly the hardest thing in the game
rose bison
like it is just not a thing in the fight barely at all
sharp cedar
i think ive gotten poisoned from a rathalos maybe like,,, twice?
i always shoulder tackle it like a dumbass though
so I gotta own up to the fact that I gotta do the fight again but use perfect guard and offset
sharp cedar
but use what
huh
the other defensive mechanics gs has
like when you guard something on the right frame
or when you do the counter move
sharp cedar
damn mh rise bait
rose bison
i think thats all the defensive stuff gs has
rage slash too i guess?
the horizontal slash on surge slash combo has super armor
sharp cedar
i just need to not use shoulder tackle since you still get poisoned since its just armor
rose bison
is shoulder tackle different from guard tackle?
sharp cedar
ok mb I just mean normal tackle
rose bison
is the normal tackle different from guard tackle then
sharp cedar
Im just used to people calling it shoulder tackle
rose bison
guard tackle gets poisoned too im just wondering if this is different
sharp cedar
well guard tackle you go forward
sharp cedar
yeah but you like run forward with guard tackle
rose bison
i dontk now it but im pretty sure theres a setup for a TCS on a sleeping monster if you use tackle
sharp cedar
i can't tell if this is bait but its more confusing then annoying
rose bison
im only a surge slash main anyways
rose bison
i can't tell if this is bait but its more confusing then annoying
not trying to be bait im just confused
sharp cedar
I got through like a quarter of rise cause i thought base greatsword was bad in rise
rose bison
i dont find it as fun as surge slash but i think its fine
sharp cedar
not trying to be bait im just confused
ok wait what are you confused about
rose bison
just the differences between wilds and rise GS
i know theres no surge slash (i think) but idk how the tackles are different
sharp cedar
oh then wilds just has normal tackle
rose bison
but also ive never used normal tackle so like
rose bison
i dont even know how that is different from guard tackle
i pretty much only ever use greatsword after getting guard tackle
its not really my main
sharp cedar
then I get it
rose bison
it is one of my mains though
just not like my main main mains
i would say in rise those are LS, hammer, and swaxe
i really gotta get back into GU
and eventually ill start wilds but i dont have the money for that rn
sharp cedar
so greatsword in wilds has 3 defensive mechanics, regular tackle which lets you cancel a charge attack into a shoulder tackle that has armor which prevents you from getting knocked off your feet but you will still take reduced damage, guard which lets you just hold a guard with the upside of there being a perfect guard that lets you do a parry, and offset which is just a rising slash which is a counter move that will knock the monster back
sharp cedar
and eventually ill start wilds but i dont have the money for that rn
honestly i'd wait a little
rose bison
oh i think the difference is that guard tackle actually blocks damage
rose bison
honestly i'd wait a little
i dont have a choice anyways
sharp cedar
they're still trying to fix optimization so your pc doesn't explode
rose bison
i simply wouldnt get it on pc
sharp cedar
this is true
rose bison
but if i do find out that my pc can definitely run it after the optimization updates, id rather have it on pc
rose bison
well dang i just learned the only one ive used is the objectively worse one
even worse, im using the move that it actively has an anti-synergy with
sharp cedar
well tbh
I think its preference
its probably worse but if you think its smoother then I would use it
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analog osprey
Inside you there a two MH players
One is full of whimsy and joy
The other is a pessimistic masochist who enjoys solo Savage Omega
sharp cedar
yo im gonna be real, i think solo savage omega is like drugs
analog osprey
yo im gonna be real, i think solo savage omega is like drugs
I mean I did it once, but that was enough for me
Because I play lance I barely beat out the clock
sharp cedar
thats not how i wanted to put it but its hard to describe it
analog osprey
I think I beat him with 5 seconds left
analog osprey
thats not how i wanted to put it but its hard to describe it
I get it
Its a rush doing well against a generally hard monster
And that solo
Where others struggle as a 4 man squad
I'd say the best way to put it is that the experience is exhilarating
sharp cedar
I think solo omega is just as exciting as fatalis from world
it feels better than alatreon
honestly fun fight and way harder than gog
but I think thats a good thing
icy stump
He's got a DPS check?
Is it like alatreom where it's a team wipe or is it just for a big attack you gotta dodge
sharp cedar
Is it like alatreom where it's a team wipe or is it just for a big attack you go...
ok so to explain, he does a big beam attack that he starts charging and you need to make sure you're doing enough dragon element damage to knock him out
but
if you fail it fabius or any lance user can create a wall and protect everyone behind them
icy stump
Oh ok that's fine
sharp cedar
you just need to distance yourself a bit but people don't know it yet
or
you can climb a ridge and be safe
i had guard 3 and guard up 3 and just blocked it
and i lived
icy stump
That's like how you should build a DPS check
sharp cedar
the main issue is that before he does the attack he shoots out a bunch of fireballs that deal a lot of damage
but its not that hard
icy stump
I assume if you beat it you get free HKD?
icy stump
Having to use dragon specifically is weird
sharp cedar
its really not that bad
sharp cedar
Having to use dragon specifically is weird
the way they explain the fight is use fire first to soften the oil then once most of his oil has fallen off, use dragon to deal damage
sharp cedar
As long as it's not eschaton judgement
no not even close
here it is
this only works for the first one
cause it goes away after one dps check
sharp cedar
but fabius will always be with you no matter what even if its solo
so he'll always put a shield up in time
icy stump
Can you block it with a GS?
sharp cedar
yep
sharp cedar
i had guard 3 and guard up 3 and just blocked it
you need this though
icy stump
I'm guessing you'll want guard up 3/guard
icy stump
How's the performance
sharp cedar
people are saying its better
i did notice my pc making a lot less noise
still mixed though
icy stump
Yeah figures
sharp cedar
checking through reddit and yep all mixed
icy stump
Honestly I'm not even gonna bother till the second update
Or maybe the third
They're running a Warframe event so imma just run dat I think
analog osprey
if you fail it fabius or any lance user can create a wall and protect everyone b...
Good day for me
analog osprey
Mega Aggron my beloved
analog osprey
Gog is a great fight
Imo
But its funny you can basically js ignore the DPS check
And just Facetank it
Can you reset the armor skills on the weapons?
I don't assume so
heady goblet
icy stump
Why's gog stanced up like dio?
heady goblet
Why's gog stanced up like dio?
Aura farming is an important stage in the Gogmazios life cycle
icy stump
Bro looks like he's gonna stop time and move me down like 3 steps exclusively to fuck with me
analog osprey
Goddamn that last in phase is a pain in the ass
Stop flying you oversized powder keg
Rathalos gave his Fly for All to Gog, that's why he was so bearable in wilds
icy stump
Can you flash him
analog osprey
Can you flash him
No
Also I am BARELY able to scrape by the DPS check solo with 700 element
Granted lance may not be the best weapon for elemental DPS checks but ay
Im stubborn
analog osprey
Ass
You literally need to hit his wings with special slinger ammo to get him down
But he just flaps his damn wings around all the time and carpet bombs you like some orbital satellite
And even if he does fall, he only stays down for like 5 seconds
💔
sharp cedar
@wide oyster see the switch axe buffs
wide oyster
yeah
they're super nice
the counter is now op
and the sword x combo does serious damage
FRS is probably still the best move
especially now that you can evade out of its startup
but the weapon is better as a whole
they need to buff axe though
it still sucks
oh
one more thing
ZSD is still awful
lol
waiting for the meta sets to come out before I go back to swaxe though
wide oyster
just win the lottery
I'm really mostly just curious about whether element swaxe will be meta
I think it's so close to being good
this patch might push it over the edge
sharp cedar
Anyone wanna do the 9 star quests with me
sharp cedar
wide oyster
sharp cedar
i needed to sell every tail i had so I could upgrade all my armor
sharp cedar
acoustic walrusBOT
https://www.reddit.com/r/MHWilds/s/fcIaZyiCr8
wide oyster
rose bison
its nuts from berk
sharp cedar
@night ledge wanna do some monster hunting later
Not talking about gog but all the other ones
wide oyster
Not talking about gog but all the other ones
there are monsters other than gog??
sharp cedar
there are monsters other than gog??
The tempered alpha doshaguma one was fun
heady goblet
there are monsters other than gog??
Only in your wildest hallucinations
sharp cedar
So we’re the three, 3 9 star monster quests
sharp cedar
Only in your wildest hallucinations
Wild
hushed kelp
sharp cedar
acoustic walrusBOT
https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1ppxv55/arlecchino_genshin_impac...
sharp cedar
also this one is actually pretty good
night ledge
<@277595799989518338> wanna do some monster hunting later
Perhaps
wide oyster
it would have to be now or in about 9 hours after work
not zyx but I could be down to play for a bit
have to go in about 30-40 minutes or so though
sharp cedar
not zyx but I could be down to play for a bit
sure
i wanna do one of the 3 9 star monster quests
wide oyster
I'm down
sharp cedar
you got one you're thinking of or any
sharp cedar
forest, desert, or rocks
wide oyster
also I can vc
knotty ledge
that's so sick
Good lord 💀 the buffs were nice huh
night ledge
got gog
rare knot
https://vxtwitter.com/TAWASHI_CB/status/2001445111805460842?s=20
Gore mangala looks so good in wilds damn 
sharp cedar
Sorry @wide oyster probably can’t play till like 1:30 am so maybe tomorrow
wide oyster
got it, dw about it
sharp cedar
got it, dw about it
im goated
i got on exactly at 1:30
ill play tomorrow but just ping me if you're free
sharp cedar
the 3 blangonga quest feels like a free for all or a giant team fight instead of a hunt
because all the monsters run all over the place with the smaller herd monsters fighting you too
and then the 3 tempered ones got the normal ai so they go from one person to another and it really feels like everyone is just running around
no one fainted in mine but it took us like 16 minutes just for this
sharp cedar
yeah i think I need a good mindset to fully do omega again
i think regular omega is fun, savage feels like a good challenge
but I just can't do it consistently even though I know whats happening
sharp cedar
@wide oyster @night ledge mh?
wide oyster
not rn, sry
heady goblet
analog osprey
I hate DPS checks with a passion
analog osprey
not because i suck at the game but because my weapon literally isnt made for it
icy stump
Its honestly counter to the games general design philosophy
rare knot
Did they put DPS checks in my monster hunter
heady goblet
Fuck you mean did they, they been doing them
wide oyster
the gog one isn't too bad though
you can clear it with the slinger ammo alone
or you can just play gs, since the former meta gs has massive dragon element on it
rare knot
Fuck you mean did they, they been doing them
I don't keep up. I haven't played wilds yet and barely played world 
Though you're right, I forgot world had some of that shit
hushed kelp
Rise had it too, with the anomaly quests
Though the cost for that was relatively minor, nothing close to escaton judgement levels
heady goblet
If you wanna go real far back, Raviente had a DPS check
night ledge
Lao also had a dps check
night ledge
@wide oyster @sharp cedar MH?
wide oyster
not rn, sry
rose bison
Rise had it too, with the anomaly quests
i wouldnt even call it a dps check tbh
your damage doesnt matter that much as long as you break the bloodclots
and they do more damage the higher the anomaly level
analog osprey
Sick ahh endscreen
sharp cedar
<@186664898409922561> <@717589204468498495> MH?
My b
I closed at 3 last night and then had to come back at like 7 so after I just slept for 6 hours
I can play now if you want
But I think you’re playing exile rn
hushed kelp
i wouldnt even call it a dps check tbh
Fair, they were more of extra challenges for the hunt
night ledge
I can play now if you want
now?
icy stump
I missed the initial convo but Imo a DPS check's fun factor in monster hunter is inversely proportional to how many options you have when faced with it
For example the DPS check of say siege fights are relatively fine generally IMO cause they give you siege weaponry which usually is enough to get you most of the way there as long as you utilize it, especially if you bring skills to boost your damage, but in a lot of cases also smacking the ever loving shit out of them is also viable
Something like eschaton judgement is terrible because you literally have zero outs to it aside from "beat the elemental DPS check", and on top of that it's predicated on you also breaking the horn in each dragon phase to keep the element consistent
You have very little flexibility in the hunt which imo is the worst way you can approach designing something like that
Like with siege monsters yeah they have a similar insta fail DPS check in the form of "do enough damage before they break object Xyz" but if you play your cards right you can stall them out long enough if things go pear shaped to win on a repel.
rose bison
Something like eschaton judgement is terrible because you literally have zero ou...
i mean
wheres the flexibility in the other way
either way you just gotta beat them up until you did enough damage
icy stump
The siege monster point?
rose bison
huh
icy stump
Like i don't get what your questioning the flexibility of
Like the flexibility with siege fights or the flexibility with other DPS checks?
Cause generally for a lot of DPS check attacks you usually have outs to them that don't involve attacking necessarily
rose bison
i would say there is no flexibility in both siege fights and escaton judgment
you have to hit them with siege weapons, you have to hit the horns and use the right element
icy stump
Nah there's flexibility in sieges, you can totally play the stall game for time
icy stump
Namely with binders and the like
Well it's kind one?
Cause they have a insta win con of smashing whatever you're tryna defend
rose bison
if its not about how much damage you can deal, its not a dps check
icy stump
If it's the monster itself having a DPS check in the case of most sieges
Like if lao wants to win it either needs to triple cart a team or smash the fort enough
So from its PoV it's a DPS check
rose bison
thats not what a dps check means
icy stump
But for the hunter it is also kind of a DPS check cause in order to repel you need to still do enough damage
rose bison
yeah but like
you dont need to do enough damage to dodge an attack or something
you just need to kill it before time runs out, which is the same for every monster in the game
you could say every fight in every mh game is a dps check because if you dont have enough dps you cant beat it before the time runs out
icy stump
Well the thing is the best way to stall the monster in sieges is to riddle them with damage to make em flinch so they don't stomp the fort
rose bison
but thats just not what the term is used for
icy stump
It's a soft DPS check
Vs a hard DPS check like extremeoth, omega, or alatreon
With them it's "do enough damage in X time or lose"
rose bison
yeah and thats how other fights work too
icy stump
MH applies soft DPS checks alot and honestly that's the best way to handle them imo
Like Toaster has his nuke after enraging and not being staggered out of it after 90 seconds, to stop it you can A.) predict the timing and dodge B.) bonk him out of it preemptively or c.) utilize some kind of status to delay it
Like they love to do that kind of shit
Or amatsu with his charged tornado that sucks you in on startup when he coils up
You can run for your life, try and thrash him out of it, use ballista/binders to interrupt it, etc
topaz quartz
I do 14 damage to gogmazios with ls
There's no chance of doing it alone
I still don't understand under what conditions the oil changes
I'm not very excited about fighting another enemy who kills me in one hit, and I have to resign myself to just running away.
icy stump
Its like barroth or juyataurus it affects elemental resist
Oil is weak to fire, his bare flesh is weak to dragon
topaz quartz
What I don't understand is under what conditions I activate which one, and how I'm going to notice it.
Because it was only on the last attempt that I realized it was like sweat on the texture, but I don't know if it's my graphics settings, but the change is almost invisible
hushed kelp
Do you have the npc dialogue off?
acoustic walrusBOT
https://x.com/SilencedVouivre/status/2002358831243005958?s=20
wide oyster
I do 14 damage to gogmazios with ls
this isn't right
what build do you have
and what LS are you using
the thing with gog is that you need to break his oil armor with fire element
at which point dragon becomes the main focus
for phase 1
for every remaining phase, it's pure dragon
you need to bring a dragon weapon or be really good at aiming the dragon railgun pods
also, gog has the same health regardless if you're alone or have 4 players
so you should always SOS for support hunters (or real players)
topaz quartz
this isn't right
I get home and send a build; I'm coming from work.
topaz quartz
Do you have the npc dialogue off?
@hushed kelp The problem is, I can't read the dialogue if I'm focused on dodging the monster that kills me in one hit.
It's not that I don't understand how it works
hushed kelp
Just saw that it was a problem other people were having, figuring things out step by step
topaz quartz
On a theoretical level I understand how to deal with the oil, but on a practical level I can't damage it in any part other than its wing legs.
topaz quartz
what build do you have
rose bison
<@619379164264267776> The problem is, I can't read the dialogue if I'm focused o...
then you should listen to the dialogue instead?
idk how good wilds' alerts are but at least in rise they YELL to tell you about stuff
acoustic walrusBOT
https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/s/nw5JhP5y5L
icy stump
https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/s/nw5JhP5y5L
Should've shown the narkarkos special
rare knot
Wait what's that
icy stump
Jumping down into the big fucken Lazer
Cause all the narkarkos fights are pretty scripted, G narkarkos for the thing where when he's near death he'll spam his super lazer
So if you die right before that point or to one of the lazers there's a chance when you jump down you'll land in another lazer
rare knot
sharp cedar
analog osprey
https://fxtwitter.com/Ethan626794543/status/2003181754623099152?s=20
this is really quite interesting
from an ecology standpoint
zoh shia having a longer tail than Gog makes sense
as it doesnt have the giant wing arms to balance itself when standing on two legs
sharp cedar
I think this makes me want to see more zoh Shia stuff now
heady goblet
They gonna make Safi 2 or Fatty 2
sharp cedar
@wide oyster you see any really good gs armor sets
acoustic walrusBOT
https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunterMeta/s/EeZ2fQZYrV
sharp cedar
https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunterMeta/s/EeZ2fQZYrV
So fire is good
wide oyster
it's element agnostic
you make one for every element
or you can be lazy like me and just use true shadowbringer still
I'm only bothering with gog artians for swaxe
got this recently
working on getting gore/lord on every swaxe
but it's insanely rare
rose bison
https://vxreddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/s/nw5JhP5y5L
yeah im very glad it took that from us
playing GU is like hell sometimes with all the qol stuff missing
analog osprey
gore and lord
1/214 i think
rare knot
playing GU is like hell sometimes with all the qol stuff missing
The QOLessness makes it feel more real
rose bison
i dont play games for them to be real
if i wanted to starve in the wilderness i would try to live in my backyard
rare knot
Your backyard doesnt have seregios tho
rose bison
it does have bears and moose and wolves
hushed kelp
it does have bears and moose and wolves
Damn, Rhode Island is wild this time of year, huh?
rose bison
i live in alaska
hushed kelp
I know, that was the joke
I couldn't remember if people had joked about getting where you live wrong, but felt that I could make it work if there wasn't a precedent
rose bison
yk i just realized mhr has this thing in the graphics settings where it shows you how much VRAM its using
i think thats an amazing thing that should be in every graphics settings
sharp cedar
acoustic walrusBOT
https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/s/ceSiR8lBYX
sharp cedar
Oh ty
icy stump
33?
sharp cedar
https://www.rxddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/s/ceSiR8lBYX
It’s 34 really but they don’t want to include guardian arkveld
icy stump
Can't believe it
heady goblet
It’s 34 really but they don’t want to include guardian arkveld
Lmao
icy stump
E33 strikes again
icy stump
Counting arch tempereds as new monsters feels like reaching
heady goblet
Yeah
icy stump
Same with guardian ark vs normie
Literally it's just the HR vs LR version
Like with blackveil and the nergi variant (I forgot his name)
Like yeah cool new model or whatever
It kinda defeats the point of making a new subspecies if you just treat em as the HR/LR fight
Like that'd be like if we considered LR/HR/G narkarkos as different subspecies cause they all act slightly different
LR does the whole faux twin headed bone dragon schtick, HR does that but drops pretenses midway through. Then G comes out the gate not doing the bit and uses it as a mini phase later
sharp cedar
I think there are a lot of subspecies that kind of suck
icy stump
Oh definitely
Ngl I'm kinda sad the cooler ones are less used tho
Like sand barioth is sick conceptually
sharp cedar
Lavasioth and jyuratodus
That’s the first thing that came to mind
I had to look up their names
icy stump
Those aren't subspecies
They're both just ass
sharp cedar
Really?
icy stump
And they both use a similar gimmick cause mainline team lost their edge for world
sharp cedar
They do the same thing though
heady goblet
Yeah
icy stump
Yeah that's more world monsters being boring rips on old ideas thing
sharp cedar
Wow they could’ve fooled me
icy stump
Instead of a cool (conceptually) lava fish we have a stupid mud fish
heady goblet
We gotta make y'all play Frontier
icy stump
Fucken
Of all the frontier monsters to be consistent
WHY LAVASIOTH?!
Can we tell the frontier team to take him back
heady goblet
That's the monster that won the poll
icy stump
The frontier fan base were sadists I see
heady goblet
Apparently he was actually just the more liked monster at the time
Which is INSANE to me
icy stump
That's actually maddening
I'm convinced it was a psyop by the frontier fans to make it so theyd only get to keep the cool ones lol
sharp cedar
I want some cooler variants in wilds, guardians are cool but the choices are ok
icy stump
Guardians are cool cause it's a way for them to add literally whoever the fuck they want
I want some weird ass picks
Guardian gammoth
heady goblet
Taikun Zamuza
icy stump
Gets wylk crystals instead of snow armor around the legs
sharp cedar
Nope, you’re getting Deviljho and diablos
heady goblet
True
icy stump
Nah honestly I fw that
sharp cedar
Maybe a tigrex as a treat