even if i still needed large beast gems uh
#Monster Hunter
icy stump
Primalz?
rose bison
i think im gonna be done actually
i can never do more than like 3 quests before being done for the day
icy stump
Aight, it's been a bash
rose bison
a bashing of skulls
i am the leading cause of blunt force trauma related injuries in elgado
anyways yeah it was fun
finally got my armor
and its very cool
icy stump
I sent you a friend request if you wanna play again sometime
heady goblet
I've done it again
heady goblet
Definitely totally intentional headsnipe
icy stump
Hammer go bunk
heady goblet
Decided to add some color to this layered set
heady goblet
are you still down?
Yep
wide oyster
wide oyster
sure
heady goblet
heady goblet
Have fun with that
icy stump
Pog
heady goblet
Yeah, it's crazy to that was the first clip-worthy thing I ever did
Also, I finally got around to making that skill tier list
Wow, you can't read that at all
heady goblet
I mean, it wouldn't make sense to put it any lower, and the skills in the tiers above are just so many leagues ahead in therms of power in my mind that it finds its home there perfectly
icy stump
Honestly it's kinda criminal how good WeX is
heady goblet
Indeed
icy stump
Like I don't wanna say it should be nerfed, but gahdayumn
heady goblet
Still not as good as Crit Boost though
icy stump
Tbh I feel like crit boost really depends on how the build turns out before you add it tbh
Like crit boost on a set that gets you 10% affinity is barely worth it
heady goblet
When are you ever building a set with only 10% affinity
icy stump
But if you can comfortably sit at around 100% affinity it's literally a 15% damage increase
icy stump
When are you ever building a set with only 10% affinity
Before endgame basically
heady goblet
But if you can comfortably sit at around 100% affinity it's literally a 15% dama...
It's a 40% damage increase, Unga
heady goblet
Before endgame basically
You can get like 60% affinity before the end of High rank
icy stump
Well it's 40% up from 25% before normal crits
40-25=15, so I'd you add max crit boost it's a increase of 15% effectively
heady goblet
I think it's actually a total 65% damage increase ||it's not|| if it works exactly as edvertised
Not counting base multiplier, that is
icy stump
I'm pretty sure it just bumps it up to 40% at max lvl
icy stump
Cause normal crits do 1.25x damage
Lvl 1 crit boost crits do 1.3x
Lv2 1.35x
Lv 3 1.4x
That would be insane
heady goblet
The numbers would be glorious
The return of what is effectively critical conversion
icy stump
Yeah basically
Personally I hope in the next game they balance out other skills to be more within spitting distance of WeX/Crit boost
icy stump
Yeah the 10% kicks ass
heady goblet
Better than that shitty litte +5% affinity it got in World
icy stump
Most engame gear peaks at like, 400ish raw, so a 40+ raw increase (plus a extra ten) kicks ass
heady goblet
I think my GS set has an ER at like 600 something
icy stump
The 5% affinity was the devs realizing that everyone built for crit. So they slapped some crit on their raw buffing skill
icy stump
I think my GS set has an ER at like 600 something
BB build?
heady goblet
Yeah, basically
icy stump
Build up boost is nuts
wide oyster
speed sharpen is pretty nice
icy stump
It's basically a mini crit with a 33% proc chance
icy stump
Speed sharpen + protective polish is good late game
For stuff that nom noms through all its sharpness I like, 2 seconds
wide oyster
yep
heady goblet
I accidentally put it a tier too low
icy stump
Ngl, I'm amazed Valstrax weapons aren't used more in SB
wide oyster
QS that high is interesting
heady goblet
Valstrax Bow is really good
wide oyster
I thought that it was only useful for LS
heady goblet
It's so good on GS as well
icy stump
They have competitive raw/ok slots
WITH A METRIC FUCK TON OF SHARPNESS
heady goblet
And since it comes packaged with Frostcraft on the Velkhana Chest it finds a really solid spot in the overall gamestate
icy stump
The valstrax weapons kicked ass in GU cause you could reliably never sharpen basically, even with tempest axe SA
heady goblet
They have competitive raw/ok slots
WITH A METRIC FUCK TON OF SHARPNESS
You say that like it's hard to have basically infinite sharpness
icy stump
Yeah I guess that's the problem
wide oyster
And since it comes packaged with Frostcraft on the Velkhana Chest it finds a rea...
I'm so glad that the Velkhana chest is easy to make
unlike the pants
it's genuinely amazing
icy stump
In SB all your sharpness skills are piss easy to grab
icy stump
And all the DPS you gain in being able to neglect those is lost in the weapon not being as good as others
heady goblet
I personally prefer Razor Sharp to Master's Touch
icy stump
Based
heady goblet
Frostcraft is *okay*
I assume you mean on the chest specifically
heady goblet
Yeah
wide oyster
I know that it's amazing at level 3
icy stump
I'll take my guaranteed 50% over a theroretical 80% anyday
heady goblet
Spare Shot is also really nice
icy stump
I don't use ranged gear in SB so I wouldn't know
I miss siege mode
Crouching shot ain't it chief
heady goblet
I have taken a lot more of a liking to spread bow recently
Especially since it procs Adrenaline Rush the most often out of any weapon
icy stump
Bow types always confuse me, cause each game a different one is the best one
Tbh my favorite was heavy from GU
heady goblet
I think Heavy was technically the best bow shot type in GU
icy stump
I miss bullying akantor by booping him in the snout with a big stick rock
Valor Heavy Bow was so fun
heady goblet
In World there's only one shot type
icy stump
Heralds battle bow or whatever my beloved
heady goblet
So that makes things easy
icy stump
In World there's only one shot type
Yeah I always found that wierd tbh
I like the bow variety and all that
It allows for more player expression
heady goblet
I think they just wanted to get the gameplay for the weapon down while also making it more approachable to the average player
icy stump
Its a Similar deal with siege mode on HBG
Certain guns can gatling off certain things, so you pick the one that gatlings off the shots you like and all that
Am I wierd for thinking world is kinda all over the place in terms of general game design?
rose bison
idk i think its pretty weird too
icy stump
Like base game all the weapons get streamlined/added mechanics to make them less obtuse to use.
But then in MR they nerf stuff that was good across the board and add in a whole new mechanic explicitly designed to add in something you gotta deal with to do good damage.
Like idk, I feel like IB was kinda shotty in terms of how it handled difficulty, mainly with the health bloat across the board/Hitzone nerfs trying to get you to use clutch claw
Like the fights didn't really feel much harder than LR/HR/other games for the returning monsters (generally*), they just felt longer
But then in the post game the monsters they added were genuinely harder, but also had wierd gimmicks to them
Idk
One thing I gotta give SB credit for, they made the MR versions way more interesting, because the monsters are designed around our better movesets now, it's awesome
heady goblet
I mean yeah, Rise/Sunbreak is just overall more enjoyable in my experience
heady goblet
Indeed
icy stump
I hope for the Next MH game they steer more towards the risebreak choices
(In terms of general difficulty design an all that)
heady goblet
I want the Switch Skills kept but the removal of wallrunning and shit
icy stump
Switch skills are a must have going foward
They're too good to not keep
Also da doggos
heady goblet
Even if it lets me do stuff like this
icy stump
Tbh I really enjoy the wirebug schmovement around the map
Gonna miss that tbh
I'd love to get a non combat traversal tool like it tho
heady goblet
Yeah, Great Wirebugs are the way to go imo
icy stump
Like the general movement you can do with just the Lil bugs is nuts
heady goblet
They can even keep regular wirebugs they just gotta remove wallrunning on every surface
icy stump
I think being able to climb everything would be cool
That way the maps could be more open
I like the wall running cause it looks cool, but I can see why people don't like it
heady goblet
We have that, and I have legitimately died a considerable amount because wallrunning out of a wirefall is automatic
icy stump
Even if you turn wall running during combat off?
heady goblet
Yeah
heady goblet
I love it, but at the same time I dislike it's effects on gameplay overall
Like the iframe changes to roll
icy stump
On one hand, it let's me stay hyper aggressive, which is fun
On the other I'm not a big fan how pins are tied to it now, and if you just did a big bug move with lots of recovery, you just die when pinned
heady goblet
Or how stubby it is
heady goblet
Fr fr
icy stump
I get why
Cause wirebugs
But still, what the hell
It's not like sheathed wiredashes have iframes
And sure like, half the silkbinds get some form of damage reduction, be it Iframes/a parry/whatever, but it shouldn't replace the base roll
heady goblet
Even if it lets me do stuff like this
I feel like it's important to say I have wallrunning in combat turned off, in retrospect
icy stump
It's kinda funny how the two Gen 5 games were like the inverse of each other.
Base World was good, but then iceborne was kinda ehh
Base rise was kinda ehh (because it lacked content), but then Sunbreak was excellent
heady goblet
Indeed
icy stump
My three biggest gripes with SB are:
Nothing cool for apexs (they're basically deviants, which are sick as hell, why are they just anomaly investigation fodder?!?)
No MR rampages, as a side mode (It'd be fun to see them as a side thingy cause I thought they were fun even in the base game. I can see why they dropped it tho, cause generally people didn't like it at all, especially when the game forced you into it)
The anomaly grind is too damn long (yeah they made the first 220 lvls faster to blow through in TU5, but that didn't help me cause I was basically already there, and those last 80 lvls still suck to get)
The anomaly grind in and of itself isn't bad on paper, it's just that the rate to get through it is atrocious
heady goblet
The anomaly grind is the worst part of Sunbreak, as Rampages were the worst part of base Rise
icy stump
(Towards the end/pre TU5)
heady goblet
I commend them for experimenting though
icy stump
I liked rampages cause I'm that wierdo who likes the lao shan lung/spectacle fights
icy stump
The idea of single handedly fending off a entire army of monsters is cool as fuck tho
heady goblet
I mean yeah, it is a cool concept, but the execution is more tedious and boring than anything
icy stump
Honestly it's decently fun if you play it a certain way
heady goblet
I have done it basically every way I can think of
icy stump
Namely, front stack all your automatic units and just fight all the monsters with your weapon
The other nice thing is it's basically impossible to fail a rampage
heady goblet
Yep, that's certainly the most enjoyable way to go about it, but it doesn't stop it from being the worst content the game has to offer in my opinion
icy stump
I guess it's just my spectacle fight loving heart that has me like them so much, idk
Like I unironically like fighting stuff like dahrhen Moran
heady goblet
Apexes are almost tragic with how gutted they are from their deviant counterparts
icy stump
Yeah
heady goblet
Imagine if we got Silverwind while being able to use Wirebugs
icy stump
Some are less gutted than others tbf
heady goblet
That would've been spectacular
heady goblet
Some are less gutted than others tbf
Indeed
icy stump
Imagine if we got Silverwind while being able to use Wirebugs
That'd remedy alot of the trouble that fight can give you
rose bison
Apexes are almost tragic with how gutted they are from their deviant counterpart...
i dont even care about that i just wish they actually called them deviants
and just made them deviants
heady goblet
I think the fight is great already, so I would've been over the moon
icy stump
Ngl I like how in all the portable team games you can see how they treat zinogre like their favorite child
heady goblet
I think if they toned down the grind to level up the weapons it would've been really cool
Not that it's a huge problem
It's just time consuming
rose bison
Ngl I like how in all the portable team games you can see how they treat zinogre...
zinogre is my favorite child for sure
i dont remember if i had this pfp when i joined this server, but i had a zinogre pfp that i drew for a while
icy stump
P3rd? Flagship
Gen/GU? Got one of the most cooked up deviants (also look up thunderlords Japanese name, it's fucking great)
Risebreak? In MR his base form is prolly the hardest non elder/post-game monster, and his apex form was a tuned up thunderlord/got a special interaction at the end of MR
heady goblet
P3rd? Flagship
Gen/GU? Got one of the most cooked up deviants (also look up thu...
Thunderlord also has debatabley the best Hunting Horn in the game
icy stump
I think if they toned down the grind to level up the weapons it would've been re...
To max out one deviant set+weapon, it'd take about 45 hunts
Anomaly grinding you get about a 3rd of a level for each quest with base multipliers. Meaning you basically can either get a full set of armor/weapon maxed, or 15 anomaly levels, and most of the time deviant quests end fast, unlike anomalies
icy stump
i dont remember if i had this pfp when i joined this server, but i had a zinogre...
Zinogre is one of the coolest MFers in this entire franchise tbf
heady goblet
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that doing 15 deviant quests back to back isn't mentally taxing
heady goblet
Rajang is literally just a super saiyan
icy stump
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that doing 15 deviant quests back to back isn't ment...
It's not as mentally taxing as anomalies tho
heady goblet
Oh my god
Imagine we get a Rajang variant in some far off MH title, and it's Super Saiyan 4
icy stump
Imagine we get a Rajang variant in some far off MH title, and it's Super Saiyan ...
Voljang?
heady goblet
It's not as mentally taxing as anomalies tho
I would argue to the contrary, but I think it's best we just agree to disagree at this point
icy stump
Yeah
I fought the deviants so much I can prolly rip through a whole quest line with em and not bat a eye at it
heady goblet
Voljang?
Nah like, a more humanoid version of the monster with red fur that's able to use it's thunder stuff from more body parts that it's mouth
icy stump
Rajang if he didn't skip leg day 
Seriously, rajang got them teeny Lil leggies
He's literally a fucking square build
No leggies
Arms that would reach down to the floor if he stands on his back legs, not elongated neck, so he's just got a face on his upper body
Bud is a fucking minecraft character
heady goblet
Fr
icy stump
He heard about the whole classic body Builders aiming for a triangle build and was like "I'll do two times that and be built like a square"
Ngl, I kinda wish we got a rajang deviant that effectively went SSJ3
icy stump
Call it like deathmane rajang or smth
heady goblet
I was gonna say Enraged Furious Rajang
Where it starts SSJ2 and eventually powers up to SSJ3 as a last hurrah
icy stump
Yeah I was thinking that for the general fight
Also I think a theroretical monoblos deviant would be sick, especially if it was introduced as a sort of inverse to bloodbath
icy stump
Instead of it being a berserker it's a more of a samurai/calm type
icy stump
The whole schtick I thought up was that I never enrages (so agitator wouldn't work in this fight) instead at like, 75% hp it enters a "serene state" that acts like a typical enrage, without the downsides of a normal enrage
With it getting alot more horn specific attacks
(I think giving it a horn counter would be really cool)
And to parallel Bloodbath, it's horn is larger than normal, but also sharpened to a point. With it glowing blue once it hits its serene state (along with the rest of its body, to parallel bloodbath)
The thing is if you break his horn, he permanently enrages for the rest of the fight, and fights like a normal (permanently pissed) monoblos for the rest of the fight.
icy stump
The name I thought up for it was smth like Serenehorn monoblos
icy stump
I imagine the horn break also comes with the costomary damage nerf?
Yeah, my idea was the horn to have 2 breaks
One nerfs the damage when in his serene state
The other boots him out of serene state and nerfs the horn damage more
The idea was to make the 2nd horn break take really long tho, so you'd only practically break it at the end of the fight
heady goblet
I imagine the second break also adds regular enrages to their thing as well?
icy stump
He stays enraged permanently post 2nd horn break
heady goblet
Yeah, but it procs Agitator now, is what I meant
icy stump
Yeah
Basically
Him having alot of more deliberate attacks as opposed to bloodbath going berserk sounds like a fun idea
heady goblet
Indeed
icy stump
As for amor it'd be fun to get a peak performance type set that wouldn't suck
So ideally he gets PP, some other crit/attack boosting skills (none of them maxed), but he also gets a a unique soul skill similar to what some of the Frontier armors had with the advanced gimmick they had or whatever
Basically if you stay at over 2/3rds HP, the skill would add skill points to all the skills currently on the armor to boost their effectiveness
(Alongside some baseline affinity/atk boost)
heady goblet
Sounds interesting
heady goblet
heady goblet
Just got 2 Glittering Nacres and a Shining Nacre from a Tetronadon
wide oyster
the best monster in the game
wide oyster
in all seriousness, Chaotic Gore is probably my favorite fight so far
heady goblet
Chaotic Gore is fantastic
icy stump
I love chaotic gore but I also hate him
The fact his moves are made to exploit your muscle memory against base gore is evil, but genius
And is way more interesting than his old schtick
rose bison
i dont even have muscle memory against base gore
heady goblet
Yeah nah, that's just a you thing Unga
heady goblet
I do get it though, I autopilot the fuck outta Glav/Hellblade
heady goblet
Krill issue
heady goblet
heady goblet
They're all different enough imo
wide oyster
I don't remember there being anything special about the two I mentioned
other than frenzy
which isn't all that debilitating
Chaotic felt much more interesting
his attacks were difficult to read
heady goblet
I can kinda be if you fail the DPS check
wide oyster
and he hits incredibly hard
wide oyster
I can kinda be if you fail the DPS check
I guess
maybe I should revisit the other magalas
I've been waiting for risen shagaru
since he has a great armor set
but that's quite far away
heady goblet
Risen Shaggy has an alright set
wide oyster
the waist piece seems to be pretty nice
the rest isn't as important
but it'd probably work well with frenzy sets
and cgore weapons
heady goblet
It does indeed
heady goblet
@wide oyster you down to hunt tonight?
heady goblet
Aight
heady goblet
So we finally have the reason as to why Gore Magala aren't classified as elder dragons
heady goblet
Dope
rose bison
thats wild
thats like the opposite of astalos
they accidentally kill their children because of their poor eyesight and aggressive demeanor
so they leave their kids at a very young age
so they actually do grow up
wide oyster
thanks for the hunts
was fun
thanks for dragging me along on that Risen Kushala quest as well
I managed to snag some gear that I've been wanting for a while
much earlier than expected
heady goblet
It's all good, I had a blast
wide oyster
would you be down to do risen shagaru and risen chameleos next time?
heady goblet
Sure
topaz quartz
Any build to go fight with Fatalis?
heady goblet
Any build works you're gonna explode if you're hit regardless
topaz quartz
a
heady goblet
icy stump
Oh right
Baby Gore got dat xenomorph chest buster lor
icy stump
It looks like a zinogre in the 1st 2 panels tho
heady goblet
That's because it is
icy stump
Gore's existence is just pain
To be made?
Pain
To evolve to shaggy?
Pain
Getting stunted?
MAX PAIN
icy stump
Gore is the Thing
I just now got what you meant by this (as in the frenzy virus rewrites the monsters genentic makeup to become Gore magalas)
Ngl, that's absurd to a laughable degree
That's some fatalis armor subsuming a hunter who wears it into becoming a new fatalis levels of absurd
icy stump
Like, wouldn't that shit alone put Gore/Shaggy in black dragon tier
Fucken how does that explain Apexes?
heady goblet
Not necessarily
heady goblet
Fucken how does that explain Apexes?
Apexes are at the last pre-Gore stage
icy stump
Apexs from what I understood them as basically do what we hunters do and beat the frenzy, reaping benefits from it
How do people contracting frenzy work with this?
heady goblet
Could also be that they aren't infected with Shagaru's strain but just Gore's
icy stump
We get it, but are somehow fine
Even if you don't beat the frenzy, you lose the ability to recover red HP, but otherwise are 100% fine
Like the chestbuster explanation made more sense as to why it wouldn't work on people, cause you could argue the human body couldn't sustain the baby gore or whatever
But assuming it's like the thing, shouldn't everyone who gets afflicted by it become mini gores?
heady goblet
Could be that humans don't have the mass to create a new Gore
icy stump
I mean yeah, but it would still try to never the less
Which would prolly like, liquefy you or some shit
heady goblet
Maybe that's what Berserk is doing
icy stump
But that's a armor skill
Made from a armor, from a explicitly fucked up gore
Like
Idk the way I imagined frenzy before was basically like super monster rabies, which carries the required DNA to make another Gore egg inside a host, should the host have enough nutrients it could absorb from it to help it grow.
This idea would work well cause if the frenzy infected a small monster that couldn't give the nutrients needed to make a baby gore magaga egg, the heightened aggression would have it fight another, rinsing and repeating till it found a suitable host to carry da egg
People could beat the virus, due to them being Exceedingly small by MH world standards (the egg wouldn't settle because I doesn't have enough raw nutrientsto do so or whatever), and because presumably the virus can be "ran off" through high physical labor/adrenaline (if you do enough damage you can cure yourself of frenzy, and get buffed from it)
Logistically, apexs worked the same way, they got infected, but were ballsy enough to fight off other monsters enough to run off the infection (notably, most apex able monsters are the hyper aggressive ones)
Gore being like "the thing" kind of shits on this whole idea tho, because then people should be able to be mutated into teeny weeny gores, and the need for the virus to spread to find a suitable host body would be null and void if anything could make a baby gore magaga
icy stump
Not alot cause he has the turbo rabies virus that infects things and they basically instantly die
In lore
heady goblet
It's the other way arounf
Gore's is the one that kills stuff, Shagaru's is the Thing
It could be that it requires the intent of the Shagaru in order for it to cause Monsters to start shifting
icy stump
But that doesn't make sense tho, cause like:
-I remeber 4U lore saying smth about the shaggy virus wiping out everything on heavens mount, not making new gores, it just insta gibbed them
- why would a virus, designed to make new gores turn preexisting gores chaotic?
heady goblet
"As we all know, while Gore Magala uses the Frenzy Virus to see its environment, Shagaru Magala uses the Frenzy Virus to reproduce and to prevent other Gore Magala from reaching adulthood (Shagaru Magala doesn't want any competition)."
icy stump
That seems kind of like a wierd double standard
heady goblet
icy stump
"Go and make me some baby gore magagas, oh but if you see some already out and about, fuck em up"
Like
heady goblet
Like
It's a basic survival thing
"I'm at the peak with all these great resources and shit so in order to have more for myself I shall eliminate the competition"
icy stump
Shagaru just wants to make Gore more fun to fight
Semi related, but Personally I'm a fan of the headcanon that risen Shaggy is a chaotic gore that used the qurio infection to beat his turbo frenzy aids to evolve into a better shagaru
icy stump
"I'm at the peak with all these great resources and shit so in order to have mor...
But like if the frenzy is like the thing, wouldn't that imply a sort of hive mind to it?
Afflicted chaotic gore yes
heady goblet
But like if the frenzy is like the thing, wouldn't that imply a sort of hive min...
No, not necessarily
wide oyster
does Capcom hate Gore
icy stump
Yesnt
icy stump
They came up with whatever backwards ass lore this sibsuming thing is
Where the hell is this lore even from?
wide oyster
isn't MH Lore a total mess?
icy stump
Yes
wide oyster
I was under the assumption that people just ignored what they don't agree with
heady goblet
Sources:
- モンスターハンター発想の法則２ 禁忌の書 - pg. 87
- HAUNTING OF THE SUN モンスターハンターライズ：サンブレイク 公式設定資料集 - pg. 157
Books, I guess
icy stump
Like half of it is all headcanon
heady goblet
Like half of it is all headcanon
For you
icy stump
Arent these the same lore books that imply fatty is some interdimensional being? (I gtg eat dinner, be back in a bit)
icy stump
https://tenor.com/view/what-is-bro-waffling-about-rango-blud-waffling-discord-gi...
Shit like this is why I don't trust these guidebooks
heady goblet
That's like using poetry as a basis for science
Also, one of the MH movies is an isekai
icy stump
Yeah
But are we really gonna take That movie as canon
The same one that had rathalos be the size of a actual freaking plane
heady goblet
I don't want to, but it seems like that's what's being hinted at
wide oyster
the Diablos in that movie is massive as well
icy stump
And had nerscylla look like fake ass spiders
wide oyster
imagine if the in-game one looked like that
heady goblet
They did that
icy stump
Bloodbath EX says hello
icy stump
Also assuming that we're taking all the books as canon, wouldn't the EDW be cannon too?
heady goblet
I don't think a fictional note, written by a fiction character speculation on whether Fatalis is from another dimension is really conclusive of anything
icy stump
Idk
Tbh I'm of the opinion that the plot/lore to MH's biggest strength is how going by purely in game lore, it's wicked open ended, so you can come to your own conclusions
It's way more interesting to ponder the "how do" question as opposed to someone just saying how smth does
woeful bronze
heady goblet
Damn, they got everything there
wide oyster
it's not part of the unga doctrine
heady goblet
READING?
IN MY GG SERVER?!?
More likely than you may think
heady goblet
I think it's cringe
icy stump
It's a really neat concept having a Frankenstein's Monster type thing waddling around we gotta go do damage control on
Tbf tho, we're prolly never getting it, cause I'm pretty sure the MH dev team reused that general idea for ||atahl Ka's mech||
As a quick aside, gen/GU had the best twist fights imo
heady goblet
Indeed
icy stump
I love how the narkarkos twist is maintained until the final HR urgent
Then atahl Ka is a multifaceted twist
They're both great
And they both are fun fights
topaz quartz
it's not part of the unga doctrine
wide oyster
been experimenting with special sheath
it's a really fun playstyle
I do so much more damage
but I'm also taking more risks to do so
I'll probably run it in coop
icy stump
The chargey one?
heady goblet
Same, I was always more partial to sacred sheath
wide oyster
I think that I'll stick to sacred in solo
since the monster almost always attacks me
(allowing me to counter)
and special for coop
since I'm not countering much
foresight slash is good enough in the cases where I am aggroed on to
icy stump
Sacred sheathe can counter things if you release before fully sheathing the sword
wide oyster
yep
but that's a fail-state
imo
you lose a sword level
and don't do much damage
icy stump
Nono
heady goblet
I thought it was other way around
icy stump
IF you time your release, with a attack. You parry it and lose nothing
icy stump
And infact can jump straight to a combo finisher
wide oyster
so you can hold special sheath and parry
heady goblet
Sacred was counter special was the weird quickstep one
wide oyster
to burn a sword level
or properly counter
to retain it
(and jump one using the spirit finisher)
that's interesting
I noticed that I didn't always lose a sword level
when I accidentally countered
so that's probably why
icy stump
Yeah, it's kinda underrated
wide oyster
Sacred was counter special was the weird quickstep one
yes
I'm stupid
and always switch them
for some reason
heady goblet
wide oyster
Yeah, it's kinda underrated
thanks for the tip
I might go for special sheath counters a bit more
then
spamming sakura slash and the special sheath combo is so fun
I'm glad that I have WW3 and Wind Mantle 2
now I just need Wind Mantle 3
for even more sakura slash spam
does doing a quest in co-op unlock it for you in single-player?
I did Risen Kushala with Axalu the other day, so I'm wondering if I can play it by myself now
icy stump
Not for risens
icy stump
They're locked to HR reqs
heady goblet
They're funny like that
wide oyster
I've been grinding anomaly stuff
so hopefully my MR goes up significantly
with that
as well
heady goblet
I definitely dig the system a lot more than how World did it
wide oyster
also
I give up on trying to beat afflicted auroracanth
I'm just going to do Goss Harag for afflicted claws
from now on
heady goblet
Based
heady goblet
Fuck Auroracanth
icy stump
I rather like auroracanth (bitch is free with surge slash GS)
heady goblet
Anyone down to do some hunts today?
heady goblet
Dope
wide oyster
sorry, something came up
I apologize for not letting you know
hopefully we can hunt some other time
heady goblet
Yeah, it's no problem though
icy stump
Same with astalos
heady goblet
Rajang too, right?
icy stump
Well yesnt
Non enraged rajang jumps out of pitfalls but can be shock trapped, but the inverse is true for when he enrages
Trapping a non enraged rajang in a shock trap doesn't auto charge him tho
wide oyster
Frostcraft is such a fun skill
heady goblet
Yeah, it's pretty crazy
wide oyster
it makes draw attacks like Special Sheath Release even more satisfying
icy stump
Yes
wide oyster
since you hit incredibly hard
I just wish that I could get level 3 without using 3 Velkhana armor parts
icy stump
Qurio crafting soon tm
wide oyster
Qurio crafting soon tm
I have it
heady goblet
And it's just a good skill
wide oyster
but my anomaly level isn't high enough
to farm the essences that I need
for rarity 10 armor
I think that I'm only at level 80 or so rn
wide oyster
And it's just a good skill
I thought that it made draw GS broken in MHW?
heady goblet
Nope
heady goblet
Just playing normally with Frostcraft on any weapon is way better
wide oyster
I see
wide oyster
got it
icy stump
With how MH got power crept in Gen 5 stuff like OG Atk Boost/Punish draw (flat raw increases) got stupidly outclassed by crit, because crit is multiplicative/percentage based
heady goblet
Attack Boost was only used because of the 5% affinity it gave
wide oyster
ah
that reminds me
is it worth to go for AB after level 4?
I read that it had diminishing returns
after that point
heady goblet
is it worth to go for AB after level 4?
Yes, just less so
wide oyster
With how MH got power crept in Gen 5 stuff like OG Atk Boost/Punish draw (flat r...
punishing draw is so painful to use
at least for LS
I thought that it'd be good
but it only affects the first hit
of your draw attacks
and LS only has multi-hitting ones
wide oyster
Yes, just less so
I see
but
with limited deco/armor slots
it'd be worth it to focus on crit enhancing skills
rather than going for AB levels past 4
right
ideally, I'd love to have AB7 along with everything else
but I'm not there yet
heady goblet
Generally, but most of the time you have the space for it, especially after Qurious Crafting
icy stump
but it only affects the first hit
Yeah, crit draw used to be the same, but you'd get 100% affinity on that hut
wide oyster
I'm glad that it was changed
at least
for LS
I'm sure that the change hurts a lot of weapons
though
icy stump
Only GS really
icy stump
Og GS fucken mutilated shit with crit draw builds
heady goblet
I never liked Crit Draw playstyle personally
icy stump
Now it's kinda ehhh cause GS is basically "how route to TCS"
heady goblet
But it was very good
icy stump
Crit draw is nice against tough monsters cause you can run up smack em-> Run away
icy stump
If you get it down well enough it's not even running away
It's running to the next spot to land another LV3, 100% Crit swing that does KO damage
Specifically on the head
GU prolly was the peak of Crit draw GS, cause Absolute readiness, Valor style getting a fast strong charge draw attack, (on top of valor being OD by itself), and the Black X set which gave all the nessesary skills for crit drawing all kinda came together to obliterate fools
heady goblet
Yeah
What's crazy is that in theory you could potentially out damage Black X with a general hunting set, it was just less consistent
icy stump
I was generally better with the Full dreadking set+crit boost via tailisman/weapon in my experience, but that's prolly cause when I use crit draw sets my brain don't work as well for some reason
heady goblet
I just don't like the playstyle
icy stump
Funnily enough IMO draw GS paired best with alchemy style in GU
Every roll can be canceled into bucket shake
Rare Alchemy W
I miss alchemy bruh
It was a fun shakeup
wide oyster
Primordial Malzeno slain
heady goblet
Cool
wide oyster
Primordial Malzeno slain
now if only any of his stuff was useful for me 
I did the fight a few times and farmed his stuff
but idk where to spend it
his sword is pretty nice
ig
for dragon damage
heady goblet
His head piece is probably the best piece if you want in-fight sustain
wide oyster
yep
it's just that I already have a head piece
that works better with my set
I would get his waist, but I have no way of getting blood rite on my armor
since I can't augment yet
heady goblet
I should see how some parts would work with Build up Boost 1 slapped on a piece
icy stump
yep
Check the decos
I think he let's you make a Blood rite 4 deco
Which is pretty good, especially if you double down with part breaker
heady goblet
I would honestly spend the Bloodstone elsewhere
wide oyster
wait, I'm an idiot
that's the level 3 jewel (and it takes the normal malzeno one)
the level 4 one is fine
heady goblet
wide oyster
this sound pretty useful
guess I'll be hunting a few Furious Rajangs
to get the necessary parts
tame rampart
@heady goblet is there difference between deluxe editions of MHrise and its dlc ?
tame rampart
do you think it is worth it ?
heady goblet
No, not really
tame rampart
i can download it in 10 minutes
heady goblet
Dope
tame rampart
heady goblet
wide oyster
more rise players
it's a really fun game
I started a month ago
and have been hooked ever since
heady goblet
@royal crow is one too
royal crow
True I am
royal crow
Sword and shield
heady goblet
It does like one thing, unfortunately
And it did one thing even more back in Iceborne
But at least it does one thing really well, so it could be worse I guess
tame rampart
it's a really fun game
for me anygame that has a coop and can play with friends is hella good
@heady goblet lets play tonight. Wanna enjoy Tekken 8's beta as much as I can.
heady goblet
Alright
heady goblet
They're pretty easy imo, I didn't find them all too challenging
wide oyster
interesting
I found them to be incredibly difficult
well, it felt that way the first time
once I got one win in
I was able to clear it without carting afterwards
who would you say is harder?
heady goblet
I found at least Risen Shagaru to be more difficult personally
wide oyster
ah
I haven't fought him yet
but I've heard that he's tough
most people put him as the hardest monster in the game
right after PMalzeno
according to what I've seen on the internet
heady goblet
I see
topaz quartz
Ugh, I'm barely with the shagaru magala
wide oyster
the normal one?
he can be tough
his attacks are deceptively big
and he hits pretty hard
icy stump
most people put him as the hardest monster in the game
Tbh Risen Shaggy and Primal malzeno difficulty are two separate types of hard
Primalz is tough but learnable
Risen Shaggy is just Normal shaggy but with more Aoe (especially on his hazard form)
I like primalz way more cause he's more fair, but I'd say Risen shaggy (and his bullshit hazard form) are technically harder
topaz quartz
the normal one?
yes
wide oyster
what weapon are you using?
wide oyster
ah
yeah
he does a lot of follow-up explosions
so using counters on his attacks can be risky
I like to stay to the side of him
he doesn't have many attacks that hit there
once you get his moveset down, you can clear the fight pretty easily
by weaving in counters and dodges as necessary
topaz quartz
I want to assume that if that thing hits me, I'm going to explode
wide oyster
he shouldn't be killing you that fast
but yes, he does a lot of damage
make sure to upgrade your armor if you haven't
and be sure to collect spiribirds if you're still dying extremely fast
icy stump
The food skill Bird caller lvl 4 also let's you max your HP bar really fast
wide oyster
yep
to be honest, Shagaru just felt like Gore
I can't really remember the differences between them
icy stump
Shaggy is basically a perma enraged gore with more aoe attacks
In the old games he had ricochet shots/periodic frenzy explosions that would just happen in the arena
They got rid of those for some reason and consolidated his moveset to just be "perma mad gore with more aoe"
...which he was before too, tbf. But the ricochet shots were cool
topaz quartz
a
wide oyster
They got rid of those for some reason and consolidated his moveset to just be "p...
I thought that chaotic gore was perma mad gore
lol
icy stump
Well yes
Chaotic gore was a normal gore
But with some added shaggy elements (spontaneous aoe)
wide oyster
ah
the aoe stuff was probably the hardest part of chaotic gore
so that makes sense
icy stump
The way they balance chaotic in sb is way more interesting tbh
icy stump
The fact his moves punish your normal magala muscle memory is equal parts genius and infuriating when my muscle memory gets me hit lol
wide oyster
I completely forgot what the gore and shagaru fights were like
by the time I fought him
icy stump
The gore/shaggy fights are hard coded into my brain cause of 4U lol
wide oyster
can burst compensate for low levels of AB?
wide oyster
ah
icy stump
So if you have 3 slots on a set open Burst is basically better
wide oyster
I've been considering running this
(no augments yet)
but I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of AB levels
I'm also wondering whether it'd be better to go for master's touch 2 or speed sharpening 3
icy stump
Are you slotting in attack boost, or are you getting that from a armor?
wide oyster
deco
icy stump
Then definitely slot something else in there
Like coalescense or smth
As for the sharpness
I'd say maybe ditch the level of attack boost for protective polish and combine it with speed sharpen 3
Bonus if you can get grinder (s) at lvl 2 on there
icy stump
Protective polish plus speed sharpen 3 kicks ass especially early on in endgame before you can get aton of sharpness management skills
icy stump
Oh you'll have slots to spare then
wide oyster
speed sharpen 3 should be easy to fit
icy stump
Yeah even 1 lvl I 30 seconds of unlimited sharpness
icy stump
Personally I'd use that double slot for a Protective polish deco tho
Being able to go into any fight with 30 seconds of unlimited sharpness is pretty neat
icy stump
And if you can get any extra Protective polish it just gets better and better
A full minute~minute and a half is nice
heady goblet
but I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of AB levels
You are, you need at least 4 to make it worthwhile
icy stump
It's not good for endgame until you get up to them percentage boosts
heady goblet
Sorry I got to this so late btw, I fell asleep
Yeah
Would be kinda neat if it gave % increase the whole way though but that would be busted
heady goblet
Maybe I was thinking of it's overall damage contribution
topaz quartz
shagaru magala kills me with two hits
tame rampart
Just like PSP days
heady goblet
He's getting the Switch experience
icy stump
YOOO FELLOW SWITCHPLAYER
heady goblet
That's steam deck, Unga
heady goblet
He also plays on PC, he just doesn't have a ton of progress
wide oyster
also, is blood rite meant to be as overpowered as it feels?
I genuinely feel like this skill is too good
you lose some dps
but it's great for comfort
I don't even have to look at my hp bar
anymore
once I get a part break
icy stump
We used to have (arguably) better HP regen skills
wide oyster
how was that even balanced?
icy stump
Health Weapon honing from 4U
wide oyster
blood rite feels absurd as is
icy stump
Was every few hits you heal proportional to damage dealt
World had a similar thing with both the weapon augments/super recovery on the mergi set iirc
You wouldn't heal off every hit, bit you wouldn't need a part break to heal
So it was kind of a trade off
heady goblet
we have cool mods
Only really cool mod imo is slow-mo kill cam imo
icy stump
Then you had the Safi jiiva set from world which had a set bonus that buffed your elem but every swing you lose some hp (but if you hit the monster enough you get more HP than you burn usually)
wide oyster
like autocollecting the cohoot nest
and showing ele weaknesses
etc.
stuff that doesn't break the game
but streamlines the experience
heady goblet
You wouldn't heal off every hit, bit you wouldn't need a part break to heal
No, you healed off every hit
icy stump
I'd prolly get myself the dreadking layered set tbh
heady goblet
It's just the healing was directily proportional to the damage you dealt
icy stump
No, you healed off every hit
Maybe on the nergi one, but definitely not on the 4U HP weapon hone
wide oyster
is the dreadking set the rathalos one?
icy stump
The rathalos deviant yes
wide oyster
deviant?
heady goblet
So certain weapons benefit way more from health augs than others
heady goblet
Because it didn't count multi-hits
wide oyster
ah
icy stump
They were GU exclusive
icy stump
but apex/silverlos stole alot of dreadkings shit in SB
heady goblet
The direct decendent of Soulseer Mizutsune with some extra flavor
wide oyster
ah
I like Violet Mizutsune's fight a lot more now
now that I'm not criminally undergeared
icy stump
The apexes in base rise are basically bargin bin deviants
Cause they're like the deviant fights, but way easier
wide oyster
ah
I don't remember doing any apexes
outside of Rathalos
(which I needed for the crit boost deco)
heady goblet
The afflicted mons also took some stuff from Deviants
icy stump
Except maybe apex zinogre, he got a bit of a tune up from normal thunderlord
Yet again proving zinogre is the portable teams favorite kid lol
icy stump
The afflicted mons also took some stuff from Deviants
Ehhh they're more like hypers imo
wide oyster
I remember something like that happening
icy stump
is Apex Zinogre the one that appears
Ye
icy stump
The kinda green one
wide oyster
how do you fight it?
icy stump
It's neat cause zinogre and amatsu have a it of a history
icy stump
how do you fight it?
Rampages/event quests/anomaly investigations
icy stump
Ye
wide oyster
I never want to do a rampage again
heady goblet
Getting hit with Bloodbath shit in HR Rise gave me PTSD flashbacks because I had just been doing the Bloodbath questline in GU the night before
wide oyster
that reminds me
heady goblet
So I thought I was gonna get one-shot after I failed the roar roll
wide oyster
why do the MH devs insist on putting Diablos in Tigrex in the higher tiers?
(of monsters within each rank)
they really don't seem as hard as the monsters below them
for example, Tigrex is above Gore in SB MR
icy stump
I see a apex diablos and just throttle that fucker
Take that you bargin bin bloodbath bitch
wide oyster
which feels absurd
icy stump
why do the MH devs insist on putting Diablos in Tigrex in the higher tiers?
For anomalies?
icy stump
They're like, the same level
wide oyster
but this has happened in LR and HR as well
(well, without the gore comparison for obvious reasons)
icy stump
The real mix up in MR was putting alot of new monsters lower on the pecking order
Like magna being mr 2
wide oyster
i also don't understand why Diablos has such awful gear
icy stump
He was rath tier before
heady goblet
I dunno, I personally thing base Gore is easily trivialized at least in older games so it made sense there
wide oyster
Gore forces people to think
all you need to do for Tigrex
is move out of the way
of his telegraphed charge attacks
heady goblet
The real mix up in MR was putting alot of new monsters lower on the pecking orde...
I didn't get that either
wide oyster
and punish him
heady goblet
Gore forces people to think
I can tell you I was 100% not doing that during Gore fights in the Old World
wide oyster
ah
I guess so
but you're also a far more experienced player
compared to me
so that makes sense
I don't remember the Gore fight too well
but I had to think quite a bit
for Chaotic Gore
the first time around
heady goblet
Well yeah, Chaotic Gore is an actually pretty difficult monster
heady goblet
I can tell you I was 100% not doing that during Gore fights in the Old World
Now that I think about it, Tig's charges used to be a lot faster/telegraphed worse, so you had to put more effort into your spacing, so that's probably where it's stemming from
wide oyster
ah
maybe it's just a legacy thing
then
same goes for Diablos tbh
his attacks feel pretty slow
and his gear is awful
it has some of the worst skills I've ever seen
in every rank
I think that his weapons aren't the greatest too
but I don't remember them well enough to say that for sure
heady goblet
I think that his weapons aren't the greatest too
Their Greatsword used to have a niche in older titles, but they weren't fantastic, similar to their armor which had a niche usage in mixed sets for lance back in HR MHW
wide oyster
ah
it just feels strange
for a monster as popular as Diablos
to be the way that he is
at least Rathalos has pretty decent gear
for when you encounter him
as the other "main" MH flagship
I guess that Rathian is one of those too
she has a pretty decent weapon
heady goblet
Yeah, her bow is the best Fire Spread bow in Rise
One thing I like about Silverlos is that you know it's gear is always going to be amazing
tame rampart
I COULDNT TELLL
Sorry mate. It is Steam Deck.
rose bison
gross
tame rampart
I actually run it on Cloud (Geforce Now) to save battery and better performance. I might play it little before going to bed
heady goblet
Someone would do it
tame rampart
Someone would do it
https://youtu.be/9M_YiJeO3wc?si=kkGdcEIknixSe0JX
Someone did for Doom
heady goblet
Then yeah, I can 100% seeing someone do it for MHRS
tame rampart
@heady goblet Game Pass Cloud has touch controls. You can play it on your phone too
heady goblet
tame rampart
Also, Whose idea to create this magical Main Menu?
I could not press "New Game" for 20 minutes
tame rampart
This girl is singing when I boot the game
heady goblet
Yeah
tame rampart
And Im like huh. Imma listen her for a bit
heady goblet
Aaaah
topaz quartz
<@258762305821474836> Game Pass Cloud has touch controls. You can play it on you...
freedom unity psp emulator experience
heady goblet
freedom unity psp emulator experience
You mean Freedom Unite?
topaz quartz
You mean Freedom Unite?
yes