Yeah
#Monster Hunter
heady goblet
icy stump
There's a way around jt
heady goblet
Would probably still take forever though
And would be a pain to render without loading zones
icy stump
Personally, I kinda hope we get to keep the grapple hooking around mechanic from rise
Not nessesarily keep wirbugs, but keep the ability to swing around fast
heady goblet
Great Wirebugs were the best thing Rise introduced
icy stump
Honestly I just really love running around the maps in rise
icy stump
If you know what your doing you can cross maps super fast even without dogs, by combining wiredashes, great wirebugs, and sliding
Shit makes you feel like spiderman
icy stump
The doggies are good too
Would love to bring them back, especially if the wire dashing is out of the question
heady goblet
If we gonna keep jacking up the monsters, we definitely gotta jack up the hunters too
icy stump
I have been yet again reminded of dingbats who can't let me get the wakeup hit when the monster is sleeping
MF was on DBs, went away from the monster, so I set up TCS, and he did spiral slash right in front of me before I did TCS
heady goblet
MH players when they have to allow others to fullfil their roles for .000000001 pico seconds
icy stump
From now on I'm bringing barrel bomb Ses so I can throw them at people like that from now on
Them MFers lucky Surge slash GS can't throw people like normal GS
heady goblet
icy stump
So that's what the frenzy virus is
Really puts into context what that Frenzy art in GU was
heady goblet
Who would've thought?
icy stump
Chug the grimace shake
icy stump
Truely they are built different
heady goblet
Gigachads
icy stump
Like the fact they can take a rocket dive from orbit is nutty
heady goblet
The fact they wear the flesh of gods is also pretty impressive
distant storm
I would play the game in JP just for the old elder guy's voice
and some of the male PC voices
distant storm
a good thing about bows is that you don't have to deal with monsters that lets you attack for only 1-2 second without going for a attack or a makes a pose that doesn't let you reach them with regular weapons
heady goblet
Yeah, gunner weapons are nice
distant storm
I hate Rathians
heady goblet
Real
distant storm
what does the red butterflys mean when its on top of an enemy
heady goblet
Are you in MR?
distant storm
MR?
heady goblet
Master Rank
heady goblet
hunter rank?
No, it's a different thing
heady goblet
The glowy parts
distant storm
I think there's a weak spot that makes them explode and stuns them?
i'm not sure
it might only be a weak spot in certain attacks though
heady goblet
Just hit the parts with the purple fire
heady goblet
His arms
distant storm
if there is fire I mean
icy stump
If you get hit by his purple fire you get blighted with hellfire, making the next hit you take do extra damage, but if you wiredash/use a silkbind that acts like a wiredash you leave a little purple flame on the ground which can knock a monster over if they hit it, or if you hit it when they're neat it
That only works the first time tho, after that it just does set damage, like a barrel bomb or a gunlance shell
distant storm
and that works at him too?
heady goblet
Yeah
icy stump
Ye
distant storm
okay that might be that then
heady goblet
He's like the only monster it can work on
distant storm
that's a neat trick
heady goblet
I'm still salty about the Demo Magnamalo
icy stump
He's like the only monster it can work on
Unless you explicitly build for coat of hellfire, which naturally applies it to yourself
heady goblet
Yeah
icy stump
Which his armor fittingly gives
distant storm
also 3rd rank has a big difficulty spike damn
icy stump
That's where the real monsters show up
heady goblet
Yeah, you get to fight the good Monsters
distant storm
I either get clapped or get one monster per mission
icy stump
Your diabloses/rathaloses/etc
heady goblet
Zinogres, Nargas
icy stump
The cool shit
distant storm
is there a benefit for killing the monster over capturing them?
heady goblet
You get more materials
heady goblet
Killing:
Slightly longer hunt
More materials
Better/worse net odds on certain materials
Carving is sometimes the only way to get materials
Capture:
Slightly shorter hunt
Less materials
Better/worse net odds for certain materials
Guaranteed to miss carve materials
distant storm
is it mostly a case by case basis when it comes to which is better
heady goblet
Yeah
heady goblet
Yeah, you used to have to use external sources to get drop rates
icy stump
When/if you go online don't immediately run up to the monster to cap it either when you see the blue icon
distant storm
don't you love monsters that attack, fly around and constantly reposition and give you 2 seconds to attack before flying again
icy stump
don't you love monsters that attack, fly around and constantly reposition and gi...
Bring flashbombs, you can dunk em outta they sky with those
icy stump
Today I think I figured out how the espicynas nuke works, mechanically, at least for the anomaly version of it:
-takes at least 60 seconds to prime after it initially enrages
-if it goes 90 seconds with it going off, it does it
-DPS determines when it goes off, more damage=less time, so if you have 3 high damage weapons like bow, it'll be really fast, if you get a buncha middling weapons it usually goes the full 90
Tl:dr, Time to nuke after enrage ranges from 60-90, with overall DPS affecting when It goes off
Only problem is I dunno how this applies to normal espicynas, because he usually stays enraged the whole fight, as opposed to the anomaly one, who is prone to getting de enraged by massive bonk
I'd imagine the initial nuke thing remains the same, but idk about the post nuke timer while it can stay enraged for prolonged periods
distant storm
bro I hate farming for magnamalo plates
icy stump
WELCOME TO MONSTER HUNTER HELL
distant storm
icy stump
Farming for rare drops is every hunters canon event
icy stump
Today I left a lobby cause someone posted a rampage quest, joined another, and immediately the person in the new one posted a rampage quest
Pain
heady goblet
icy stump
I took the L there
heady goblet
Majorly
icy stump
Then again I was thinking of leaving that first lobby anyways cause they kept dying
Cause like, it was me, a mr 2 person, and 2 HR people, and the two HR people kept getting wiped by stuff like tobi and barioth
heady goblet
icy stump
If they can't stay upright for the 5 minutes it takes me to obliterate a HR monster, me being there to cheat them through fights isn't doing them any favors tbh
heady goblet
That sounds oddly high for an HR Monster
icy stump
Also the MR 2 person kept doing God knows what so I was basically soloing everything
With 4 player scaling
heady goblet
Like, I've done MR Barioth in less than 5 minutes now that I think about it
icy stump
Which iirc is like 2.2x hp?
It's been a hot minute since I've soloed a basic MR monster
heady goblet
It's pretty squishy
icy stump
The only one I consistently solo is damiyo to test builds
I can kill his ass in like a minute 20
Gotta say tho I love how Rise has HP scaling closer to GUs where fights go relatively fast if you know what youre doing
Tho ngl I kinda hate dynamic HP scaling because in some cases I just straight up get longer hunts playing multiplayer
Which kinda defeats the whole purpose
distant storm
should I just play the game and raise my HR while hoping to get rare drops in the meantime instead of halting my progress to get the magnamalo set
and try to grind for it later if I didn't get drops
heady goblet
I would say do the former until you get to High Rank, and then do the latter
icy stump
distant storm
does your rolls have i-frames
heady goblet
Yeah
icy stump
It kinda sucks tho in this game cause they nerfed it from previous games
It's right at the start of the roll you have a few frames
heady goblet
They buffed it in World, which people didn't like for some reason
icy stump
Reseting it to pre world evade window would be one thing
But genuinely the base evade window in rise is like old evade -1, and in order to get it back to normal you need evade 3
distant storm
how bad is it compared to the rest of the series exactly?
heady goblet
Worst in the series by a long shot in Rise
distant storm
can you raise it
heady goblet
icy stump
They nerfed roll invincibility because they want you to use silkbinds/moves like parries to dodge stuff
For example GSs sheathe silkbind has like 20 iframes on startup
It's literally just better than rolling
icy stump
Mizu is a goofy fella
heady goblet
I love the MH community
icy stump
White fatalis is a bitch boy who needs to be humbled
heady goblet
Safi is a fucking punk ass loser who needs to be turned into gloves
icy stump
Ahtal ka is a oversized ant, and I am the pesticide
heady goblet
Valstrax so fast and they can't even use it to run away half the time
Amatsu is an oversized wind chime, and I am the house fire
icy stump
Deviljho is a big pickle, and I need a side for my sammich
Rajang is a budget saiyan with that dollar store SSJ transformation, and I'm lord frieza about to nuke his ass
teal scroll
icy stump
TiL my silly run up>bomb yeet>charge>Strongarm stance->TCS has 2 viable places to be done
Either when a monster is downed via mount and I have to run towards it
Or to instantly banish monsters if I happen to be doing a rampage
Gooder news I also found a more effective way to do it that actually can get the powered up version of TCS
You gotta run a little bit over 90° perpendicular to the monster, then yet the bomb at a 60° degree angle towards where you're gonna be (so it hits the ground *next to where you'll be), then run back towards the bomb and parry it when it hits the floor more sideways than directly foward
This method has you land the TCS right on top of the monster and it takes about 5 seconds to execute, as opposed to the typical 7ish needed for a normal barrel bomb s plant->SAS TCS
Only problem is it gets thrown out the window if the monster moves to intercept the bomb mid toss. Or it just has spread out wingies
So really it kinda is a pain in the ass to do
But it makes you feel super cool when you get it
I have no idea how to better this strategy
I wish there was another throwable item i could parry so I could not have to deal with the annoyance of Barrel bombs blasting me away if I screw up
heady goblet
icy stump
I have a screenshot somewhere with a espinas sitting on the jungle beach like that
rose bison
it was super hard, not very fun, but really cool looking
icy stump
The only real BS move imo is the double quad tornados he does in phase 2
rose bison
that was the easiest attack to dodge
its not the attacks that make it annoying its how hes floating
its hard to ever get an attack off
icy stump
What weapon do you use?
icy stump
That tracks somewhat
icy stump
Rn I'm running a powder mantle sacred sheathe LS build with Johnny layered set and ngl it works really fucken well
Both aesthetically and literally
heady goblet
Is it just me or was Primordial Malzeno really easy?
rose bison
just you
heady goblet
Crazy
rose bison
ive taken like 8 attempts on that dude
icy stump
Is it just me or was Primordial Malzeno really easy?
What weapon you use
rose bison
decided to grind a bit and get better stuff
heady goblet
I just used the Valstrax bow set I had, and it won
icy stump
PriMalzeno is hard but fair imo
Took me 2 attempts but I got it the second try with no faints
icy stump
I feel like he's very weapon MU dependent
heady goblet
I would say it's fair, just not that he's hard
rose bison
yeah i need a better hammer
heady goblet
It's entirely possible Spread Bow just murders him though
icy stump
If you cant keep up with his stuff he's pain
I feel like that's more a bow wrecking shit thing
rose bison
hes always in dracula mode
i just dont do enough damage
thats why im getting silver rath armor and a malzeno hammer
heady goblet
Oh, when I knocked him out of that I did so much damage that I stunlocked him basically until death
icy stump
I feel any elemental based build weirdly does really well against him
Ran a dragon elem CB one time, downed him in like 5 minutes
I can get him dead in like 7 with surge slash GS which is my main weapon
Like what skills are you running on said dragon Bow build?
heady goblet
Lemme double check the build
icy stump
BTW, can I just say, dragon heart plus dragon conversion plus valstrax weapon soul is fucking cracked fro dragon weapons
My dragon elem CB can hit like, 230ish elem
heady goblet
Wow, I should really re-optimize this
icy stump
It's insane
Yeah that tracks
Ngl If I had one thing to complain about in rise (gameplay wise) it'd be that the rolls are too stubby
rose bison
evade extender
icy stump
Like, they aren't nearly as good as they are in other games, relatively
rose bison
my beloved
rose bison
Like, they aren't nearly as good as they are in other games, relatively
prob cause wirebugs exist now
icy stump
But the fact they nerfed I frame time is fucking criminal
rose bison
im playing dark souls out here
icy stump
The base roll in this game has as much invincibility as having evasion -1 in the old games
heady goblet
Yeah, kinda shitty that they nerfed i-frames
icy stump
You need lvl 3 to get up to normal
And 5 gets old evasion +1
It's wack
Which is especially dickish now that they brought back evade reliant skills
So if you wanna use those you have to be on top of your game
heady goblet
Yeah
icy stump
I hope to God those become a mainstay
Having the ability to keep sharpness with well timed rolls is so freaking nice
And adrenaline rush is cool
And stat trigger is neat
Tbh I really like how SB really went all in on making new unique skills for sets*
(Even if like half of them are borrowed from frontier)
I wonder how MH6 is gonna go
Hopefully we get some more stuff from GU/SB
Tbh I feel like (most of) the weapons valor styles felt like more natural upgrades to the weapon mechanics
Like yeah some of them got transfered over
(SA being able to morph easier/DBs running faster in demon mode), but I'd like to see more GU additions, especially having multiple ways to play weapons, either through styles or switch skills.
Stuff like combo-able charge attacks on hammer/Dash strike on GS charge attacks feel really in tune with how the weapons play
heady goblet
Alright, well at least I can say I've killed everything at least once now
icy stump
Wait what were you missing?
icy stump
Oh that makes sense
icy stump
Tbh I feel like risen shaggy/risen valstrax/ PriMalzeno all fall into that general "tough but fair category"
That goes out the window though for hazard risen Val/shaggy tho, those fights are just boosh
How the fuck did it autocorrect "fair" to "Gmail"?!?
...my thumbs aren't working today
heady goblet
heady goblet
Yeah, makes it really convenient
icy stump
That and I like the sanctuary pseudo reference
heady goblet
?
icy stump
Cause you used to fight shaggy in the sanctuary arena map in the old games
heady goblet
Yeah
icy stump
So his risen form goes back to a arena map
Ngl I kinda wish normal shaggy stayed at the top of the map in the citadel like what the metal raths did in world in the elders recess
That area felt like it was designed explicitly to reference the sanctuary
heady goblet
I don't see it
icy stump
The Lil flag in the background
The general layout
The aesthetic of it being windy up there
Admittedly it's the best looking on the shaggy urgent quest where they have it be night without the bloodmoon
icy stump
I need to go back to GU for a bit, rise is driving me up the wall as of late
heady goblet
I'm working on 100%ing Rise
icy stump
I basically did aside from the achievements/side material requests, but those are overkill imo
I should go back and 100% GUs village quests so I can do ultimate generation
heady goblet
Yeah, I mean the achievements
icy stump
I did every non anomaly Quest in rise and that's good enough for me personally
I really kinda wanna go back and get ultimate generation as a quest, it sounds fun
But you have to do all the village quests thi which is gonna be a slog kinda
But gettingvthe chance to fight the hyper fated 4+valstrax in the forlorn arena sounds fun
Man, MH really got hella powercreeped in Gen 5 skills wise
In 4U/GU getting 6 skills was a God set, in SB a average build is like 3 pages on the stat screen 
heady goblet
But you have to do all the village quests thi which is gonna be a slog kinda
I know you gotta do them for an achievement in Rise, so maybe
icy stump
It's wack watching old runs seeing their build list be so tame
icy stump
I know you gotta do them for an achievement in Rise, so maybe
Yeah it's tradition for there to be a special ball bustingly hard quest after beating all the village quests in a MH game
4U had a couple
Gu has ultimate generation. Which just sounds fun tbh
heady goblet
Can't wait to have to do every MR quest for an achievement
icy stump
Base rise had one against rajang/bagel/magna iirc
And theres a unique quest for beating all the normal MR quests
Which is neat
Ngl, one thing I'm sad we never got in GU
I wish we got a quest with all 4 deviant fated 4
We get special arena questions for 2 at a time, but still
But it makes sense kinda with how the deviant system is ig
heady goblet
Fr, it's so cool
icy stump
Love how you literally run up the pinnacle
And the fact that the only monster to actually go all the way up is valstrax
heady goblet
My favorite part is the giant skeleton
And how the asthetic of the map changes over time
icy stump
What area is that in?
I'm assuming the caves?
heady goblet
I was thinking of the wrong map
icy stump
Yeah love how there's the lush green parts outside at the base of the map, the Grey caves with a sort of blueish hue, the browner areas as you start to ascend, and the apex being on top of the world above even the clouds
heady goblet
Yeah, I love how they considered Altitude as a factor when designing the areas
heady goblet
Deserted island:
heady goblet
Fr
icy stump
GU had a banging map lineup
heady goblet
Some of them we're kinda ass though
icy stump
The only annoying one imo was the actic ridge
heady goblet
Like Valcano is just dogshit
icy stump
Having to run up to the top 3 areas to fight anything
icy stump
Wait the gen1 volcano or the hollow
heady goblet
Hollow
icy stump
Personally I didn't mind cause it's pretty quick going down (which is nice cause most mons live down at the bottom areas)
heady goblet
I'm talking about all the shit for once you get there
icy stump
I mean the big bottom area is pretty open aside from the left cliff, like yeah it's kinda slopey but I never really got annoyed by that
The most annoying thing there imo is fighting a monster at the bottom area, then they fly to the area with a one way trip cliff to the big area, so you have to go to the left cliff area, and through the round doughnut arena area to get to the cliff area
And God forbid the monster throws you off the cliff in that area
heady goblet
Which charm slot setup do y'all prefer, 3-3-1 or 4-1-1?
icy stump
2-2-2 is the best, but prolly 3-3-1 is preffered out of those 2
The 4 slots is less able to get you skills like crit boost/wex
heady goblet
I disagree with 2-2-2 being the best
icy stump
Using a fullset of PriMalzeno the 2-2-2 is super useful
heady goblet
Maybe so, but I feel a lot of the 2 slot decos are kinda middling, and that 3 slot and up is where the money is
Not to say that 2 slots are bad, mind you
icy stump
2 slot is king for melee 3 is great for gunner weapons
heady goblet
I just feel like 3 and up severely outclass them
Maybe the preference just comes down to the weapon types you main, who knows
icy stump
Like I basically don't use any 3 slotter skills other than redirection
And I have a 4 slotter for that
heady goblet
3 slots are great
You can get Coalescence, Resentment, Elemental Attack, Blood Rite, and iirc there's some soul skills that're 3 slot, but that might be rampage deco
icy stump
Idk
Had a guy call me bad at CB today
Tho we still managed to kill the monster in like 4 minutes still
It's funny
heady goblet
Okay, so after 400 hours I have finally tried out Dodge bolt, and I can now say without a doubt I fucking hate it
icy stump
How the hell does dodgebolt work anyway
heady goblet
It attaches an attack to the slide at the cost of making it stubbier, no longer effected by evade extender, and slower
It also removes the ability to charge with the slide
icy stump
Doesn't it have a crapton of iframes?
heady goblet
Felt roughly the same to the regular slide to me
Granted
There's an attack during those iframes
But it just feels shitty to me
icy stump
Does evade window affect it?
heady goblet
I dunno, might've
icy stump
Welp
I think I showed that guy who called me bad at CB up
We did a double crab quest (daimiyo/shogun) in the arena, and solod the shogun faster than the other 3 beat daimiyo
Get fucken bent rando
heady goblet
I soloed a Rajang faster than the other three could kill a Duramburos in the arena once, that was kinda fun
icy stump
I soloed a gravios faster than the other 3 could beat a glavy in GU one time
But I was using valor HBG, that don't count
heady goblet
I was about to say, lmao
heady goblet
Bow just kinda invalidates Zinogre, huh
icy stump
Bow kinda invalidates alotta things
heady goblet
True
icy stump
Gunner weapons in general tbh
heady goblet
I feel like HBG and LBG feel weaker than their World versions for some reason, even if they aren't actually any weaker
I should get around to listening to the MH Rise OST sometime
icy stump
I feel like HBG and LBG feel weaker than their World versions for some reason, e...
Prolly cause the monsters got powercrept around them
heady goblet
Nah, I think they were just nerfed
Because if the monsters were balanced around HBG and LBG, a lot of other weapons wouldn't be doing so hot
icy stump
Well I think it's sort of a frontier situation
Like in frontier gunner weapons weren't bad initially. It's just the game was designed around I frames/parrys/etc as it went on, and the gunner weapons never got that in frontier
heady goblet
Guess that's why bow is the best then, since it's the gunner weapon with those properties
icy stump
Yeah exactly
It's a gunner weapon that breathes, eats, and shits damage, with all the benefits melee weapons get in terms of evasive moves
heady goblet
Also, there just feels like there's skills designed specifically to be used with bow
Like Adrenaline Rush
heady goblet
The damage skill to end them all
icy stump
Adrenaline rush is fucking sick
heady goblet
Not to mention the additions of Dereliction and Strive
icy stump
Or really any skill giving unlimited stamina
heady goblet
Both of which are the two largest damage increases for bow
Since they're % elemental increases basically without a condition
icy stump
Oh also
Elemental damage is nuts in SB
Like they really want you to use elements good in SB
And if you do your DPS goes nutty
heady goblet
Yeah, really nice that they buffed elemental in Sunbreak, and then made elemental actually good in the late game
Instead of just invalidating it in the final update
icy stump
Yeah it's nice
Or having it basically be invalidated for most of the game, only to go "oh shit no one's using element" so they force it into a fight with a elemental DPS check
I'm still annoyed by eschaton judgement
Such a fun/well made fight, hampered by such a dumb gimmick
But yeah SB elemental damage goes off
Elem Cb being good for once is awesome
heady goblet
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I have no problems with Escaton
heady goblet
Elem Cb being good for once is awesome
It was good in World on the Ala patch, but Fatty killed it
icy stump
Tbh it's less just eschaton and more how IB was balanced in general
Like, alot of the difficulty there felt tacked on with wack gimmicks
Stuff like super inflated HP if you don't use clutch claw
The loads of DPs checks they introduced late game, etc etc
Like idk the more I think about world the more I kinda question it
I should play it again sometime
To see if my memory was off about the game
heady goblet
Took me a minute to realize you were continuing your previous statement
icy stump
Lol
heady goblet
Cooking no longer applies to me, I've surpassed it
icy stump
wide oyster
sorry for the weird question, but would it be better to hop into rise blind or with some guides?
I've played a bit of world (20h), but couldn't get into it
heady goblet
Describe guides
wide oyster
just any outside info
icy stump
Rise has a bit of a tutorial that runs down some bare bones stuff
wide oyster
I guess
heady goblet
Like weapon tutorials
heady goblet
Set building guides?
icy stump
It's not terribly nessesary
heady goblet
Rise has a really good tutorial, and a training room, so you can always use those
icy stump
Yeah
heady goblet
But if you're really confused, then yeah, a guide can be helpful
icy stump
Yeah
wide oyster
got it
icy stump
Especially on the more complicated weapons like CB
wide oyster
thank you for the advice
icy stump
Whattya getting rise on?
heady goblet
Get the Sunbreak bundle, it's worth it imo
icy stump
Dammit
heady goblet
I am Steam hunter
wide oyster
Get the Sunbreak bundle, it's worth it imo
icy stump
No crossplay 
wide oyster
heady goblet
@rose bison has it on steam too
icy stump
I don't wanna re grind all my shibaz
heady goblet
I don't wanna re grind all my shibaz
||cheat||
icy stump
Well the grinding not even the bad part
The bad part is slogging my way through LR/HR
heady goblet
TRUE
heady goblet
I blitzed through that shit in 2 days in prep for Sunbreak, and not gonna lie while I enjoyed it, I don't want to do it again
icy stump
Oh right
Pro tip @wide oyster if/when you Get Rise/SB, avoid using defender/blackbelt gear since that's explicitly designed to be OP for LR/HR
It makes the experience alot less genuine
heady goblet
Yeah, while they're nowhere near the level of crutch World defender gear was, it can still tarnish the experience
icy stump
Don't they start you in defender gear/black belt gear now?
heady goblet
I don't think so
heady goblet
I know it's available from the start
icy stump
If I were to get risebreak on steam tho
hypothetically
Is there a mod to insta unlock all switch skills?
heady goblet
No, unfortunately
icy stump
Sonnuva
heady goblet
There's one-shot mods to speed up the process, but no insta switch skills
icy stump
Are there mods to swap switch skills? I vaguely remeber someone making a CB energy blade silkbind thing
rose bison
<@505574118893289482> has it on steam too
that i do
heady goblet
We gotta play again sometime
rose bison
honestly im just having trouble getting into pc rise cause i dont have all the progress
probably gonna finish fighting all the monsters on switch before i really get into it
icy stump
If someone were to hypothetically mod in the dash strike from valor style GS into Rise over say, guard tackle, I'd play the shit out of rise on PC
This looks promising tho
The fucken hold X+A to zoom sounds fun as fuck hol up
...if I were to
hypothetically use this mod. Would I still be able to play with yall or nah?
heady goblet
That'd be fine
icy stump
It's beautiful
heady goblet
Since it's a cosmetics change
heady goblet
Yeah, but I think the new sets we have are cooler
icy stump
The new rathalos sets? Or just in general?
heady goblet
Just a general thing
icy stump
Like imo the Gen 3/4 rath armor was great, and the dreadking set was the apex of that design
Literally all it did was add capes
And it took a solid 8/10 armor design to 10/10
That copium surge slash mod sounds sick as fuck tho
Like unironically shit sounds like a fucken frontier weapon
heady goblet
Somebody stop me
heady goblet
Y'know what'd be really cool?
rose bison
mmm chicken nuggets
heady goblet
True
But what I was thinking is what if the Valstrax weapons that could charge had fire jets when they did so
rose bison
uh that too yeah i was totally also thinking of that
heady goblet
Mmmm, chicken nuggets
rose bison
and yes that would be really cool
there are plenty of hammers that have distinct animations when they charge enough
give me a valstrax rocket hammer
heady goblet
I really wanna see how the jets would look on the bow
rose bison
you charge up a shot and you just go flying towards the monster
"oops its a close range weapon now"
ran out of arrows? become the arrow
heady goblet
"oops its a close range weapon now"
Valstrax do have the best Spread Dragon bow
rose bison
yeah bow is probably the most close range of all the ranged weapons
heady goblet
Unless you run pierce
rose bison
i had the most fun playing bow as opposed to trying out the guns
heady goblet
Bow is just such an amazing weapon
What's there not to love about it, it has something for everyone
icy stump
But what I was thinking is what if the Valstrax weapons that could charge had fi...
The GS getting the jets to light up when you charge would make it so much cooler
heady goblet
That's what I'm saying
frail crescent
Let the download begin
heady goblet
heady goblet
Let the download begin
How you feeling about it?
frail crescent
Just got in for the first time so I’m actually just about to start
heady goblet
Oh, lmao
I just booted up my PC after a bit so I thought maybe you'd done a hunt or two
frail crescent
Sadly not yet. And the next 6 hours will be spent in character customization knowing me
heady goblet
frail crescent
Yeah, I have no idea what im doing in it. It didnt even properly explain how to lock on, or generally how its meant to be played
The combat makes zero sense right now.
frail crescent
Ah
heady goblet
It's considered a detriment, generally
frail crescent
I just dont even know what im doing lol
icy stump
It's focusing the camera on the thing
heady goblet
I just dont even know what im doing lol
What weapon are you using?
frail crescent
I tried switching to the switchaxe cuz it felt more natural to use
heady goblet
Cool, Switch Axe is definitely a very versatile and strong weapon
frail crescent
Honestly, any tips for kinda like, combat flow? Since right now. I really just button spammed since I dont really know the differences
heady goblet
I'm not super familiar with Switch Axe, but I think an important part of Switch Axe is using your more mobile moves in order to avoid damage, while keeping on damage
frail crescent
good to know
I guess I just need experience. But I will say, the game is not great at tutorializing.
icy stump
The MH classic
Not really giving you a tutorial
heady goblet
Yeah
We can VC and I can probably teach you a few of the basics if you want Vallies
frail crescent
I cant tonight, But I will be able to tomorrow evening if you'll be around then!
I appriciate the offer!
heady goblet
I cant tonight, But I will be able to tomorrow evening if you'll be around then!
Yeah, I got something lined up for 2 pm PST but roughly an hour after that I should be free
frail crescent
Word, good to know!
rose bison
The MH classic
Not really giving you a tutorial
it gives you a tutorial, but the tutorial is a mass of words that most people wont read
though when i think about it, it really doesnt have a tutorial for combat
it tells you some basic stuff but you have to go looking for the more complicated information
heady goblet
Word, good to know!
When did you want to get started?
frail crescent
When did you want to get started?
I’m here now
heady goblet
Cool, down to VC?
frail crescent
Yep
heady goblet
2452
icy stump
death
heady goblet
In two forms
warped hawk
I've finally completed my first Rampage mission
icy imp
icy stump
heady goblet
That's dope
heady goblet
Anyone want to do some hunts?
frail crescent
Work, sry
heady goblet
Ah, it's cool
heady goblet
Anyone want to do some hunts?
native chasm
I would but i'm still in the baby stages of the game rn
wide oyster
^
heady goblet
I'm totally fine making a new character, or using any equipment from that stage of the game
native chasm
I'm kinda short on time tonight actually but that's nice of you, i'll keep that in mind
heady goblet
Anyone want to do some Hunts today?
wide oyster
finally unlocked high rank quests...
heady goblet
Nice, how are you enjoying it so far?
wide oyster
it's great
I've been having a lot of fun with the game
been playing with a friend of mine
heady goblet
Nice, are they new to the series too?
wide oyster
yep
I'd be down to run some hunts in the future with you
it's just that I'm always busy when you ask
heady goblet
Not really
heady goblet
Hammer players do
wide oyster
I recently farmed a mizutsune LS
wide oyster
Hammer players do
my friend is a hammer player
heady goblet
Because they refuse to use a single level of flinch free
wide oyster
I don't feel like we trip eachother that much
since he usually goes for the head/front
and I usually go for the tail/back
heady goblet
The problems start to arise post tail cut
wide oyster
ah
heady goblet
Yeah
wide oyster
it sounds like a pretty fun weapon
heady goblet
I always have shock absorber equiped so I can't trip my team thankfully
heady goblet
it sounds like a pretty fun weapon
It's really fun, but it has a bare minimum of certain skills you need to have to make it the best it can be
heady goblet
that's a decoration, right?
Yeah
wide oyster
I remember buying it at the armory
but I have no deco slots
I saw that 4* and up hunts drop materials for armors with them
rose bison
I thought that people hated them
im a hammer player and i hate them as a joke but i dont actually really care
wide oyster
ah
rose bison
i tried out longsword for a bit, its fun
heady goblet
I have a deep seated hatred from playing old world games
rose bison
having like 4 counters is cool
wide oyster
I'm just trying to get quicksheath 3 now
the default sheath is fine
but being able to counter on reaction would be nice
heady goblet
Because you have no room for flinch free
rose bison
most of the countering in this game will not be on reaction
heady goblet
So you just get fucked
rose bison
most of it is from learning the monster movesets and knowing when to counter
heady goblet
most of the countering in this game will not be on reaction
Except for when it is
wide oyster
I still think that it'd be nice
rose bison
yeah sometimes you'll just pull it off
heady goblet
Yeah, QS3 is amazing for LS
warped hawk
What do you mean by tripping each other in mp?
wide oyster
hitting someone with your weapon can cause them to flinch
this usually happens when your weapon has really big moves
(like the LS)
heady goblet
Guns are also liable to causing flinches
heady goblet
Yeah, a little under half an hour
warped hawk
I thought it'd be shorter :<
heady goblet
Gotta be good to be fast
wide oyster
is it normal to dislike rampage quests?
wide oyster
yeah
they're pretty boring
they also don't feel like MH at all
I wish that you weren't required to do them
at times
heady goblet
They're introduced in base Rise and while there were similar things in older MH games they were immediately phased out in Sunbreak
Good riddance ngl
heady goblet
Sunbreak is fantastic
wide oyster
yep
I've heard
I like the base game quite a bit already
so getting to play a expansion that improves upon it
seems like a lot of fun
warped hawk
is it normal to dislike rampage quests?
Yeah... I can't say I like them either
wide oyster
also, is it normal to neglect village quests?
I've left it on the urgent rampage
for a while
for the reason I described earlier
heady goblet
No, while the rewards from village quests are very nice, it's pretty normal to forgo them
heady goblet
Yeah
wide oyster
he's a fun boss
I wonder what they'll do to him
in the high rank quests
and beyond
heady goblet
You should've seen him in the Rise demo
He was designed to be legitimately impossible
And no one I know ever beat him
heady goblet
I mean, anyone that fought him enough in the demo was able to steamroll him
wide oyster
yep
it's kind of strange that an impossible boss in the demo is relegated to being the tutorial's final boss
heady goblet
Still a very enjoyable fight though
heady goblet
it's kind of strange that an impossible boss in the demo is relegated to being t...
I don't really consider village quests to be the tutorial, they're just another part of the game in my mind
wide oyster
ah
heady goblet
And he's pretty relevant to the story overall
heady goblet
Anyone down to do some hunts sometime today?
heady goblet
I'm more than down for that
heady goblet
Yeah, it's cool
wide oyster
ok, I'm ready
heady goblet
Alright, down to VC?
wide oyster
sure
icy stump
I'm going to commit self torture by playing MHrise on a snackbox micro
Oh God this was a terrible idea
heady goblet
You are a master at terrible ideas
icy stump
I should make this a challenge run and upload it to YT
That would be pretty funny I think
This is quite possibly
My worst idea
ever
icy stump
I mean yeah
BUT IT FEELS SO BAAAAAD
Like to select the quest I wanna do I gotta reconfigure the thing to dpad, then to left stick
It feels so wrong
heady goblet
That's really neat
icy stump
The best chameleos art is the art that depicts him as a goofy goober
wide oyster
that's pretty cool
heady goblet
Got another really good layered setup made
rose bison
is that terry bogard
heady goblet
I dunno
rose bison
just like me fr
wide oyster
how did these miss
heady goblet
For the first one, the first strike of the swing has to connect for the follow ups to go off
heady goblet
For the second one
I dunno, probably a deadzone
No wait yeah that's definitely it
The circle dipiction in Rise is really misleading, because the actual hitbox/animation isn't fully circular
heady goblet
Anyone want to do some hunts today?
wide oyster
I might be down for some later, but I'll let you know
heady goblet
Alright
heady goblet
Twitter
icy stump
He got his revenge post mortem with those stupid fucken khezu whelp looking MFers
heady goblet
No he didn't we killed them all
icy stump
He couldn't beat us directly, so he broke our spirits on anomaly grinding
heady goblet
Anyone want to do hunts later today?
warped hawk
and the OST was nice too, i don't recall if it's per map or the hunted monster though
warped hawk
yeah, that went certainly better than usual
~~ though i think it was more luck than skill ~~
unlocked first quest for 4*
and that's my gear for now
wide oyster
ah
Bishaten is a pretty fun monster
he has some annoying attacks
but the fight is fair
warped hawk
I will report once I fight it
Just some time later
Not feeling like doing second hunt rn :(
rose bison
and the OST was nice too, i don't recall if it's per map or the hunted monster t...
theres map songs and some monsters have special themes
warped hawk
@wide oyster By the way, do you use Greatsword? I think I recall you did
Have you found any use for the first switch skill on it, the one where you fly into air and then try to stab on the landing? I've found no use for it, even if it connects the damage is small, and if it whiffs the recovery on landing seems very high
wide oyster
I use longsword, sorry
I think that Axalu has some GS experience
you could try asking them
warped hawk
I use longsword, sorry
ah, fair
sorry, my bad
warped hawk
<@186664898409922561> By the way, do you use Greatsword? I think I recall you di...
@heady goblet
heady goblet
Yeah, it's not very useful
heady goblet
GS actually does have quite a few good switch skills though, which is nice
icy stump
Hunting edge is fun to use, but kinda bad in execution
icy stump
Basically you only wanna use the plunging attack with a elemental GS (which is generally inferior to Raw GS, until at least SB) but it can be decent for spamming aerial charge attacks with X
If you get a good elem build tho for that switch skill it can do a surprising amount of extra damage
wide oyster
Sunbreak is pretty fun
LR and (most of) HR didn't feel that bad
but Sunbreak is legitimately challenging
getting hit feels so scary now
wide oyster
LR and (most of) HR didn't feel that bad
HR Magnamalo and Mizutsune were probably the hardest
heady goblet
getting hit feels so scary now
Yeah, a lot of Monsters Have learned from Cocaine Bear once you hit MR
wide oyster
pretty much
they just don't stop attacking
I can counter one attack
and get hit by the next one
while my counter is starting up
heady goblet
IIrc you can cancel counters into each other
wide oyster
yep
heady goblet
Or just use different counters
wide oyster
you can do foresight slash into sacred sheath
and sacred sheath into sacred sheath
but I'm talking about monsters hitting me while I'm doing the attacking animation
heady goblet
No like Slide> sheathe
wide oyster
I guess that I just need to be smarter about my counters
wide oyster
No like Slide> sheathe
yeah, that's definitely the option that's worked the best thus far
foresight slash canceled into sheath
heady goblet
Or like I said, use different counters, since they all build resource if you're successful
wide oyster
yep
icy stump
Yeah Grank/MR is where most MH games really start according to veterans lol
SB prolly has one of the best balanced MRs imo
Cause they looked, saw how strong the players were, and gave the monsters tools to beat out expanded arsenal, it's awesome because you can now effectively counter play their counter play
warped hawk
Me
icy stump
Didn't they do commercials like this for SB too?
heady goblet
All I've seen is the ones for MHW
wide oyster
that Kulu-Ya-Ku impression was spot-on
wide oyster
I got 3 Zinogre Jaspers from one hunt
but I can't manage to get 1 Lunagaron Mantle
after 10 hunts
thanks rise
heady goblet
The duality of RNGesus
icy stump
Classic MH moment
rose bison
i got two mantles in one hunt multiple times
cant seem to get any silver rathalos cortexes that i need
icy stump
Monster hunter moment
heady goblet
Best I've done was the insane ammount of Immortal Reactors I got farming Raging Brachy in World
icy stump
I have a shiton of rando mantles from monsters I don't need in all the MH games I actually play
But if it's a mantle I need?
Nope
heady goblet
Nah I need you to understand
icy stump
Don't get any
heady goblet
I got a 123% Immortal Reactor drop rate
icy stump
You get a reactor every time with a almost 1/4 chance to get 2?
heady goblet
Across 50 Raging Brachys
icy stump
So you have, what
65ish?
heady goblet
You get a reactor every time with a almost 1/4 chance to get 2?
No, I got at least 3 every single time I started getting them
heady goblet
So you have, what
65ish?
Roughly
heady goblet
Unga McMathguy
I feel I should add a caveat that I did spend 20 ish of them making everything that required Immortal Reactors
icy stump
Damn
icy stump
https://vxtwitter.com/phemeto/status/1710395598258737344?s=46
3U Rev 2 looking nuts, Wyverns fire is safe on hit
wide oyster
https://vxtwitter.com/phemeto/status/1710395598258737344?s=46
gunlance but good
icy stump
Reverse blast dash, the prototype
heady goblet
gunlance but good
Sunbreak Gun lance
icy stump
Deadass blast dash was the best thing added to gunlance ever
wide oyster
blast dash is so cool
I'm glad they buffed the shelling damage as well
so the weapon doesn't fall off
heady goblet
It really needed it
icy stump
The fact the SB devs saw the art from gu, and were like "Nah let's make that a default move" makes them hella based
icy stump
Honestly I want more shit from GU specifically put in as part of the weapons movesets
wide oyster
it's pretty cool now
though
definitely one of the most fun switch skills the ls has
heady goblet
I thought you were talking about the GS skill and was mad confused lmao
wide oyster
especially since you can scroll swap to the double wirebug counter after setting it
lol
GS looks like a lot of fun
in sunbreak
icy stump
Really harvest moon is there to do a "MH nerf" where they nerf something by making it so you have to deal with a gimmick to get about the same damage as before
wide oyster
strongarm stance is so neat
wide oyster
Really harvest moon is there to do a "MH nerf" where they nerf something by maki...
yeah, I noticed
heady goblet
It is
wide oyster
helmbreaker feels awful
heady goblet
Love countering into 5K damage TCS
wide oyster
it does pitiful damage (helmsplitter)
icy stump
Ngl, one thing I gotta say
I'm fucking flabbergasted they never gave Lance a switch skill for the 3rd poke to be the triple thrust from GU
icy stump
it does pitiful damage (helmsplitter)
Are you using the meter burn version on red?
heady goblet
That would've been so nice
wide oyster
Are you using the meter burn version on red?
yeah
icy stump
Huh
icy stump
Yeah helm splitter is wierd cause the damage ticks can sometimes just, not work
wide oyster
and
inside harvest moon
it's worse than the double wirebug counter and sacred sheath's counter
wide oyster
yep
heady goblet
What's crazy is that Helmsplitter used to be the main cashout for burning a level
icy stump
Yeah
wide oyster
I saw some pre-sunbreak footage
icy stump
Now it's like ehhh
heady goblet
It was okay
icy stump
Ngl I kinda wanna go back to normal Charge GSing, but with adamant slash and backslide
That shit sounds fun to fuck around with
heady goblet
You got sniped outta the air a not insignificant amount, and losing a level is just generally undesirable
wide oyster
ah
I mainly use helmsplitter on knockdowns/KOs
doing raw helmsplitter feels awful
because of what you said
icy stump
Helmsplitter is basically the stagger/short knockdown cash out move
With charged Sacred sheathe being the big cash out
That MFer hits hard
heady goblet
Not to mention the falling slash hitbox is kinda wonky
icy stump
Ngl I hope we keep sacred sheathe somehow for MH6
icy stump
Not to mention the falling slash hitbox is kinda wonky
Yeah helm splitter wack
Why have that when Tempered spirit blade exists
wide oyster
Not to mention the falling slash hitbox is kinda wonky
I find that pressing x when doing it
(the top button)
makes it much better
icy stump
It's literally the best X Silk bind
icy stump
makes it much better
For the meter regen
wide oyster
oh
no
I mean using helmsplitter
and then
right as you start to fall
pressing x
icy stump
Yeah the stab
wide oyster
that distributes the hits
across the fall
here
see how the hits are distributed across the fall
rather than at the very bottom of it
this lets you use it against raised monster parts
icy stump
Idk
The most fun I've had with SB LS is using tempered spirit blade/sacred sheathe/serene pose to reenact GU valor LS
wide oyster
ah
how's tempered spirit blade?
I've been considering switching to it
since the other two silkbinds are... lacking
icy stump
how's tempered spirit blade?
It's a parry, short ish window, but free level up/bar, and you can continue a spirit combo if you used it mid combo
wide oyster
Wait you can hold X and R to do a alt version of helm splitter?
yeah
sorry, I should've described it better
that's what I was trying to say
you don't have to hold x though
icy stump
It's not as good as shitting out damage via Level up/sacred sheath spam, but it's way more fun cause it's more interactive, and using it doesn't kneecap your bug recharge
wide oyster
I see
I like the counter style of LS
so it seems like an interesting move
I mainly spend my sword levels via the double wirebug counter anyways
so I don't need another cash out move
icy stump
Sacred sheathe is pretty good imo
The parry it has is less good for damage
But the ability to use sacred sheathe to convert all you bar to damage is sick
icy stump
Also it's parry is more free flowing ig?
It's not like the special sheath where you need speed sheathe to use it well
wide oyster
oh
not needing quick sheath is really nice
actually
I'm sick of having to accommodate for it in every build I do
icy stump
Speed sgeathe does help charge your super release slash tho. But in vessels the more speedsheathe you have the less time you can hold out for the parry
I run maybe a level or 2 just to have a faster release
heady goblet
~~I'm sick of having to accommodate for it in every build I do~~
It's such an easy slot in though or get it on a tali idk
icy stump
Also the charged stance let's you dash around
So evade window/dist can be useful
wide oyster
also
icy stump
You basically pull a johnny
icy stump
Yes
wide oyster
I know that they're really good
icy stump
In sb
icy stump
Blast is also good tho
heady goblet
Depends on the weapon/setup
icy stump
Generally
icy stump
Yes
heady goblet
God bless Lucent Narga
wide oyster
Poison is the meta for Raw in SB
I've seen a few builds with raw lucent narga ls + buildup boost
icy stump
Poison is great with BB boost tho, purely because Lucent nagra weapons exist
heady goblet
I've seen a few builds with raw lucent narga ls + buildup boost
That's the setup
wide oyster
but buildup boost isn't very attainable for me rn
icy stump
High ass raw, barely any poison, but as long as the poison procs, BB go brrr
icy stump
Oh yeah
wide oyster
but I have a lot left
icy stump
Yous got a while to go lol