And I still gotta mess with the Skill+ Augment to help consolidate the trash skills on my armor: I don’t need Focus or Ballistics
#Monster Hunter
dark ivy
icy stump
I suggest go getting amatsu early
Eating him unlocks the new melding shit
And it's fucking Cracked out of its mind
Like
I got a bubbly 3
Evade window 4
With 2 3 slots
Its fucking INSANE
Like
HOLY SHIT
icy stump
So uh, I worked out the damage buff on GS by comparing quest complete times
I beat the daimiyo event in the arena before in 2 minutes
I just beat it in a minute 20
The surge slash GS generally prolly got about 1.5 times stronger
dark ivy
Out the gate, I need Amatsu’s Gunlance
icy stump
You fight him yet?
dark ivy
I’m actually just sitting down to play
dark ivy
GL gonna be dummy thicc
icy stump
I'm in bed rn
Gotta get up tomorrow to do math test 💀
dark ivy
Maybe I’ll catch ya tomorrow
icy stump
After I'm gonna smack some monsters silly
dark ivy
Calculate your new meta numbers with Surge Slash
icy stump
Also good news
I looked at all the new monster materials sheets
Only new afflicted 220+ part is the new ultra risen dragon bone junk
Which if my hunch is correct, prolly can be cheated out early I'd I get high enough lvled to get the research quests for risen val/Shaggy
Problem
Those are prolly gonna be like the hazard risen elders I currently have unlocked now, but even scarier
dark ivy
One step at a time
For now, just gonna enjoy and experience the new content
After Fatalis in Iceborne, no Monster scares me
icy stump
Amatsu isn't hard per say, it's mostly a big spectacle
A fun one
But a spectacle never the less
icy stump
He's got some fucked up shit
Yknow how chaotic gore has powah Geyser basically?
||risen shaggy does that windup, but goes for a normal ass homing slam instead, the muscle memory mix is fucking evil||
dark ivy
Perfect fodder for BB
icy stump
Tho hes not too bad if you stick on him
All his aoe stuff is mitigated by just being more aggressive and not be caught out at range
dark ivy
I’m just happy Shagaru has his rightful place as a proper endgame monster
icy stump
I'm glad he's in a special arena again
It just feels right
All were missing atm is the safety rock
icy stump
The real reason risen shaggy is so powerful
No safety rock to save us
I miss my safety rock
I miss it alot
dark ivy
Fuckin’ love Monster Hunter
icy stump
It's very cool
dark ivy
It manages to scratch several very particular itches for me all at once
I’m also legit looking forward to that new Kamura/Elgado armor collab
Looks fly
icy stump
I'm looking foward to the buff body
dark ivy
The only monster I miss now is Dalamadur
dark ivy
On modern hardware as a revamped siege?
Fuck yeah it would
Sometimes it’s still hard to believe that fight fits on a 3DS even if it is largely scripted
dark ivy
Would you recommend Defiance against Amatsu to deal with any Wind Pressure?
icy stump
Ironically
He barely had any around his body
He's not like kush
So defiance really would only be food for the def/roar negates at lvl 5
dark ivy
Not worth it. I can block / Blast through roars.
icy stump
Ye
dark ivy
The only thing that sucks is sometimes I get my character or camera position wrong, and then my BB misses in the clutch
Also, I don’t know about you, but I feel like the game isn’t as responsive as World / Iceborne. And I think that’s cause it’s 30 FPS locked on Switch.
icy stump
Prolly
dark ivy
Hah!
I didn’t even think about it: Risen Elders in Investigations don’t have the Qurio gimmick because they overcame it. Thanks lore.
dark ivy
Pretty sweet
Helps that I think the ol’ thunder puppy has one of the hypest and most recognizable themes in the series
icy stump
I saw that usushi dipped to grab a ride and I was like "what da fuq he doing over dere?"
When he came back I thought he grabbed a thunder serpent or smth
Ngl
Zinogre was better
Tho now I'm wondering how that'll play out when you solo, solo it
With no sushi boy
dark ivy
Seem to be having trouble with Amatsu, ironically…
dark ivy
Just beat him
icy stump
Yeah
I SAID ITS NUTS
dark ivy
Made it in
dark ivy
Ah!
I got hit by the edge of that damn double vortex
icy stump
That Vortex is silly
dark ivy
Great team though
icy stump
Risen punk now?
icy stump
I want mah safety rock back
dark ivy
Thank you
icy stump
We got the MFer
dark ivy
But ugh…damn Reverse Blast Dash into the wall
For a second there I thought it was gonna be a clean fight IE no carts
I gotta go get some food, but I’ll be back in 30 or so if you’re still on
Fight was fun as hell
dark ivy
I have seen it
I’m ready to make a new set with his armor and Amatsu’s GL
And re-configure my build with these god talismans
I’ll admit it: I use Intrepid Heart as a crutch haha
icy stump
Apparently we can get anomaly quests in the arenas now
Sick
Got a afflicted goldian in the arena
It's way nicer than in a normal local
Just get maxed out and go in
dark ivy
Bet
icy stump
Honestly if I could get a flaming espinas/ other monster I'm good at fighting in a special arena for a investigation, grinding is goa be so easy
Prolly a Pyre kadaki would be best
Free partbreaks+good area to fight it in=lightning quick lvl ups
dark ivy
I am salivating at my new build potential
I’m saving my upgrade funds until I settle on a new set
icy stump
I'm kinda sad
We didn't get inspiration decos yet from in this update
Ig we gotta wait till tu 6 for that
dark ivy
Hey, when Amatsu does its long charge, is that a DPS check?
icy stump
Good news, all the new stuff is unlocked at AI lvl 241
The one where he coils up for the big tornado? Yea
dark ivy
Got it
icy stump
If you hityem enough during that you get a free knockdown, but it's harder to do now
Best bet is to run to a ballista/cannon cause those have more stopping power
dark ivy
Thanks for the tip
icy stump
Yknow
With new Investigations being in the arenas I wonder
Imagine if we could get amatsu as a side monster in the infernal spring
icy stump
Like that'd be silly
But very fun as well
dark ivy
I forgot about just hanging in the air
icy stump
Classic blunder ngl
I wonder if I can redirection parry his nuke
It's a terrible idea
But also a funny one
dark ivy
I don’t think the animation for the i-frames will last long enough.
Amatsu gonna make me work for his Dragonsphire
dark ivy
Finally got one
warped hawk
Price on MH: Rise here went up by like ~20% I see, and the sale that is is just 34%, not 50%
Sunbreak went up also by ~35%
dark ivy
Christ…
Amatsu can really screw you over if you’re not measured
I just got quarter-second animation frame screwed
icy stump
Amatsu feels like a old endgame mh difficulty fight
He hits like a freight train, but is generally predictable enough that not getting hit isn't too bad
Also he's insanely fun with glaive
dark ivy
It just depends on what he chooses to do and how balls-y I’m feeling
We have all been there:
You take advantage of an opening, then the Monster AI chooses the one attack pattern that screws you.
icy stump
Yeeeep
dark ivy
Also, while I can’t feasibly do it, the damn input lag makes me wish I could switch to PC
Amatsu will initiate the Nova, I press to sheathe…yet I don’t sheathe and I’m stuck resulting in an unnecessary mash fest to make sure I don’t get nuked.
dark ivy
Fuck yeah!
Cut Amatsu’s tail with a Bullet Barrage AND got a Heavenly Dragonsphire off the carve
icy stump
Team I was hunting with today was stuck on risen shaggy (gunner kept getting obliterated by his ranged shit, and the DBs hunter got nuked a few times) so in a act of sheer ego/wanting to be done with him I go to solo the shaggy and tell my team to give me a 10 minute headstart
First time I did that, everything went swimmingly, I cut the tail and broke his head twice before they even got there
Then they all got teamwiped by a lazer, and what was on pace to be a record time for us suddenly became a particularly slow speedrun for shagaru himself
Second time we try that strat he's bashing me around something fierce before my team shows up (and after tbf, he wanted me fucken deado) , but we manage to beat him with no carts after like 20 min of everyone else playing the most cautious hunt of their lives while I'm going slightly berserk
I'm annoyed because for that first hunt where I solod the first half I played the best hunt of my fucken life
If my team didn't get wiped that prolly would've been a 15 minute clear
dark ivy
Hahaha. This was a great read.
icy stump
Shagaru really came back after having a pretty easy base fight in sunbreak as a risen just to remind me why he is my nemesis
dark ivy
I still gotta climb the MR ladder a bit before I get access to him myself
It’s been pretty much confirmed that TU5 is the Gunlance update
Similar to how Raging Brachy was our big buff update in Iceborne
icy stump
That and surge slash GS
By my rough guesstimate going by quest clear times of the arena daimiyo event (2 minutes ish old time vs 1:20ish new time) we got about a overall damage increase of 1.5x
Meaning if I'm playing semi decently my hunts will be done in 2/3rds the time they normally are
Ngl now that I'm using it buffed it feels way better
Before it kinda felt like smacking the monster with a pool noodle
Now it feels like actually smacking the monster with a comically large slab of metal
dark ivy
All I know is, pretty soon I am gonna be chunkin’ with BB
dark ivy
And it stacks with Wind Mantle
icy stump
Or right
Amatsu GL has silkbind bonus damage
dark ivy
And with BB focus it means I don’t have to be Crit skill obsessed
icy stump
Iirc I heard somewhere it's like a 15ish percent buff?
icy stump
Bullet barrage is pretty fun
I was playing GL the other day and just started to spam it and wrecking a unsuspecting magnamalos face in
Funny shot gun blast go
dark ivy
“This…is my boomstick!”
icy stump
Ash is basically halfway there to just using a GL now that I think about it
Just gotta strap the shotgun to his chainsaw hand and you basically got a GL
dark ivy
When I first played Monster Hunter, it was the 1st weapon I picked and I haven’t looked back
Granted, I do play other weapons
icy stump
Same, but GS
dark ivy
But an ocean separates my GL playtime VS the others
Also, it’s a personal thing, but I have 0 interest in the ranged weapons
Haven’t touched them
icy stump
For me
icy imp
i got monster hunter world
with iceborne
got it off of humble bundle its half off for iceborne deluxe rn
i saw mr @heady goblet is an aficionado at the game
you are the monster hunter
dark ivy
I got that Hunter beat
heady goblet
Real
icy imp
hey axalu
star atrociousguy
@heady goblet
u wanna watch me play the tutorial section of mhw
icy imp
yeah i can read that
all of it actually
why is the text so CRUNCHY
i made kylie jenner wtf \
icy stump
Insect glaive really makes amatsu 10x more fun
icy stump
I somehow managed to kill a lvl 211 afflicted gold rathian in 10 and a half minutes good God
dark ivy
Power creep FTW
And it seems GL is getting some serious playstyle variety thanks not just to Risen Shaggy but also Amatsu’s set bonus which makes Grinder(S) a viable option over relying on Protective Polish
And that also makes multiple GL’s endgame viable depending on what you’re aiming for
Bladescale Hone was baby steps compared to what we have now
And I love not ripping through my sharpness
dark ivy
Today is the day I finally gain access to Level 8 shelling
icy stump
dark ivy
Level 8 Shelling is finally real for me!
icy stump
I was belping a HR person and they triple carted to chammy, which while not inherently terrible, what happened after they died was the worst
I killed it right after they died
I was robbed
Buff body is also fun, although I'm a bit saddened by it
The arms just act like hiding your arm equipment basically and don't cover anything, they only affect your hunters actual hands which sucks
So the 2 most important pieces to get for that is the body and legs prolly
dark ivy
I feel the pain of your robbery
I have still yet to do any Event Quests
Been enjoying the ever living hell out of the Amatsu + Risen Shagaru armor combo
I’ve basically turned myself into an immovable recovery tank
Qurious Crafting gave me some hardcore slottage allowing me to fit damn near everything I want w/ flexibility to counterbalance the Defense hits
dark ivy
Today in Monster Hunter robbery:
“Dango Skill Activated: Dango Reviver.”
…during the Quest Failed screen
That means 2 hunters carted at the same time
icy stump
Damn
dark ivy
icy stump
Redirection parrying that mfer is the best
Bad part is if I die trying to do so I feel bad
dark ivy
My Gunlance set has finally achieved IDGAF status
icy stump
I'm starting to question if I should even use elemental GS with surge slash
I'm kinda thinking of making a Raw/Crit/poison build with the Lucent narga GS
That way I can get Foray/Buildup Boost for more raw while also not entirely foregoing surgeslashes affinity for elem/status
dark ivy
Yeah…
I think I’ve officially peaked with my GL grind in Sunbreak
At this point my set is damn near busted with just about every skill I could ask for + health recovery + flexibility depending on the fight
icy stump
Just waiting till we get the new malzeno
Wonder how they're gonna handle that set
They gonna do the fatalis thing and make it op
Or keep it more in line with all the other endgame sets
dark ivy
Oh right, we do have Primordial Malzeno
I’m sure he will have something
But I feel ready for him + properly meta
TU5 was definitely for the Gunlancers
icy stump
My money is on him having some kinda hp gimmic
dark ivy
So I don’t mind if his set ends up being not amazing for my needs
icy stump
Like just better bloodrite
dark ivy
I was just about to say…
Same with how they gave Bloodlust the upgrade to Frenzied
It will probably be the same with Blood Rite like you said
icy stump
Have the set have normal bloodrite too to double up on it
dark ivy
And funny, because that’s the skill I’m taking advantage of on my “god charm”
Max Blood Rite and +2 Wind Mantle
With a 4-2-1
icy stump
I'm imaging it's just bloodrite with no broken part requirement
icy stump
Kinda wondering if he'll get smth tied to scroll swaps
I hope we get a skill reliant on repeated swaps
Everything so far has been all about staying on one mostly
dark ivy
I wound argue Amatsu doesn’t, cause you gotta swap to get your sharpness + ammo back
Way faster than reloading, and pairs with Redirection so that’s a bonus
Then add Breath if you want a heal on top of that
icy stump
Lvl 3 heaven sent kinda negates the need to swap for a sharpen on melee
dark ivy
Ah, I haven’t messed with Level 3 and forgot
icy stump
The realoads are still nice tho
cobalt pilot
Are elemental builds still really good for mhr or did they nerf it?
icy stump
Elem got really good in MR basically
CB can do batshit insane damage with elem phials now
1000 damage per phial explosion, which is insane
Also funny given how from 4u->base rise you 9/10 times would grab a impact phial for KOs
All weapons can actually kinda benefit from elem now, even normal GS thanks to charge Master
dark ivy
To add to that, don’t sleep on Poison
There were some changes made to it in Rise that makes it much more effective than in previous games
icy stump
Yeah I'd argue poison is low-key the best status in rise if you go all in on it
Cause foray works best with it
It's cheap to build for generally
And buildup boost works well with it
dark ivy
Question: does no one play Sunbreak with the audio on?
I swear, it’s like the entire player base forgot how to sleep bomb
Parties screw it up every time
icy stump
I only mess up on the crabs because their sleep animation is non existent
The worst tho is when I'm getting ready to TCS and some fucken LS player has the gall to roll up and go "yeah, the first hit of my sacred sheathe combo is a better wakeup tool than a TCS"
dark ivy
My favorite is everyone knows to set bombs, but then everyone stands around looking at one another going “So…who is gonna wake up the monster?”
Then the monster wakes up and the party panics.
heady goblet
I found some old MH clips on my computer
The rampage simply had to end
Like this one
heady goblet
Yeah
icy stump
Based
heady goblet
There are a ton of Gogmazios weapon mods for World
And most of them are goated as fuck
heady goblet
I think it's safe to call me the luckiest man alive
icy stump
I got a buildup boost 3, chammy bless 3, 3-2-1 slot
cobalt summit
I think it's safe to call me the luckiest man alive
I just go for the same old comfort food of Guard Up and Guard each time
heady goblet
I'm cooking with this set
heady goblet
@rose bison Welcom to the Monster Hunter chat
heady goblet
Yeah
rose bison
i have to admit i normally completely ignore forums
heady goblet
I love them, I think they're great
heady goblet
i have to admit i normally completely ignore forums
Yo, would you be down to play some Rise tomorrow?
rose bison
uhh maybe depends on the time
heady goblet
I'm free basically whenever
rose bison
so am i, but only when im awake
heady goblet
What timezone are you in?
rose bison
well its 8:43 pm right now
heady goblet
AM or PM?
Wait
I'm blind
So, you're 2 hours behind me
What time do you plan to be up at roughly tomorrow?
rose bison
tbh i dont really plan on times
heady goblet
That's fair
rose bison
but i try to be up some time before noon
heady goblet
Alright, just ping me when you're free I guess
rose bison
k i will
heady goblet
@rose bison Do you want to add me on Steam, or should I add you?
rose bison
ill just send my friend code
heady goblet
Cool
rose bison
ill dm it cause im not sure i want everyone in the server to see it
heady goblet
Ah yes, all 13 people in this forum
rose bison
true i forgot the forum is kinda enclosed
heady goblet
We basically got a private channel here
rose bison
452608352 this is the code
heady goblet
You wanna VC?
rose bison
i can vc but i wont be able to talk
heady goblet
All good with me
rose bison
im getting in-game
heady goblet
Can you hear me when I speak?
rose bison
i think i need to change my discord output thing
one second
okay now i can hear you
im still getting in-game so you can do it
heady goblet
2565
rose bison
im JEROME, dont remember why i named my character that
rose bison
see you later for some more hunting hopefully
heady goblet
Same, hopefully we can go for longer next time
rose bison
that was fun but hopefully im more caught up next time
heady goblet
Tbh, I'm down to play through the whole game with you
heady goblet
Hey Sloth, you wanna do some hunts in a bit?
heady goblet
@rose bison
heady goblet
That's fair
heady goblet
Gahd dam
I be playing MHS2, and I got hit with a blast from the past
Oddly reminds me of when I started playing MHG back on the 3ds
icy stump
MHS2 has a bigass monster roster
Which makes sense given how it's prolly easier to put them in that game as opposed to smth in the mainline
(Cause there's prolly alot less coding for turn based battles I'd imagine)
Also it's neat how the deviants got to make a comeback through that game
And also hilarious, given you can have a baby bloodbath diablos
heady goblet
Should be literally impossible, but whatever
icy stump
Rule of cool>rules of nature
Gimme da destroyer baby of towns, it'd be funny
Also baby gravios should just be a basarios, but here we are
Still mad they didn't have valstrax in MHS2 tho
Like, he was in the shitty mobile MHStories gatcha game
Why the hell wasn't he in Stories 2?!?
icy stump
Yeah but it's wierd
Cause like, basarios are supposed to be da babies
icy stump
One thing i do like tho is that the two nerscylla types both are born without the hide from what respective piece of shit monster they normally hunt when you see them as the Lil babies after the eggs first hatch.
The implication that they go out and murder the fuck out of a gypceros/khezu while you're not looking makes me happy, because I hate both those fuckers.
Lil spooder bros stay winning
rose bison
khezu my beloathed
heady goblet
I'm hesitant to say it, but this shit feels almost as good as hitting a TCS
heady goblet
Wakey wakey shithead, it's time to get up
icy stump
Bunk
heady goblet
I really like how it looks like it's protesting waking up before going back to sleep
icy stump
I had a great TCS read on a nargacuga earlier today doing some LR arena quests
That shit was fun
heady goblet
icy stump
Fought a hazard risen valstrax today solo
That shit sucked
icy stump
I mean yeah
But I'm talking his hazard version
Aka his anomaly research quest/lvl 271+(?) Version
That shits not fun at all
Like it's obscene really
He:
Hits even harder (some shit is basically just a guaranteed 1 shot now, even at max max hp)
He's way faster and more aggressive (he can fucking sidestep cancel his wing stabbies)
He has more Aoe on his aoe attacks, and more attacks get them
He'll spam his supers more often now (the super death beyblade is a common move He'll use, and now it gets 2 followups. And he can slide towards you while charging it up now)
Like his fight demands perfection to solo it, cause if you lose focus for even a second you're dead
icy stump
Damn
heady goblet
Goodnight
icy stump
Aight good night
cobalt pilot
heady goblet
GU really be the best MH game fr fr
heady goblet
@vital violet welcome to the MH forum
I am adding you here so that way I can see any questions you might have in the future
thanks
heady goblet
In which game, and which which weapon
There's some nuances to each weapon in the Kushala matchup, so I might be able to share them with you
Ah
Yeah, World is arguably Kushala's worst version
vital violet
I can't even dodge
heady goblet
For Switch Axe, you can use certain moves to position yourself outside of their moves and get a good punish by using a move that advances you forward
Is this the high rank version required for the story?
vital violet
Yea
heady goblet
Okay, I recommend making flash pods to use in the fight
Maybe try upgrading to armor pieces that would allow you to put out more damage too
vital violet
Should I also change my switch axe? Only been using defender v
heady goblet
Nah, that's gonna be the best one you get for a bit
icy stump
Da new malzeno looks stoned
As in he literally looks like a rock
heady goblet
Fr
icy stump
Calling rn he's gonna have a endphase where he becomes de stoned
heady goblet
Real
icy stump
Primal malzeno is fucking balling
icy stump
I got the full set
Now I am he who be ballin'
eternal gale
heady goblet
I got the full set
Now I am he who be ballin'
What are the skills on the set by the way?
icy stump
Crit boost/bloodrite/partbreaker/burst and blood awakening
But it's got like 10 4 slots
heady goblet
That's wild
icy stump
Ye
icy stump
With Rise being all said and done in terms of roster I should make a tierlist of all the fights
heady goblet
That's a good idea, I should do that too
icy stump
Prolly gonna include hazard versions too cause they're neato
The hazards are like 33/33/33 imo
Hazard Primo mal/lucent narga are just flat out better versions
Hazard Espicynas/Rajang/violet mizu/toaster/kush are barely different than their normal versions
Then there's Hazard Chammy/Valstrax/Shaggy which are all just unfun because the latter two are just flat out unfair, chammy is fair, I just don't like fighting him tho
I guess that proper ratio would be 20/50/30 but ah well, you get the point
It's odd cause I think risen shaggy/valstrax are fun, it's just their hazard versions suck
heady goblet
Interesting
icy stump
Especially trying to solo those last 2
Having to deal with all their stuff with zero backup whatsoever sucks
I don't want to even imagine soloing a special investigation with their hazard forms
heady goblet
Sounds like hell
icy stump
Instead of having to two tap you it's a one tap
With lighting fast attacks that have good range
And AoEs
with delayed explosions
It's wierd how hard they lean into delayed AoEs for their difficulty scaling
heady goblet
Yeah, it's kinda concerning
icy stump
Cause like, they lean into that superhard to add difficulty, and it feels cheap
But then they turn around and add primal malzeno and his hazard version, which doesn't really have those
heady goblet
It would honestly be fine if we could avoid the chip damage more effectively
Like adding more damage reduction to the shoulder tackle on Greatsword or some shit
icy stump
Fun fact, the 3rd A attack on the surge slash GS combo has super armor
Downside, it has basically zero damage reduction
heady goblet
Maybe giving gunner weapons naturally longer dodges while the weapon is drawn
icy stump
I think it had more iframes to boot tho
heady goblet
You slapped some Evade Extender on it, and it could outspeed running
Regardless
We need more ways to meaningfully reduce damage while weapons are drawn
icy stump
I mean, tbf
GS does have a block button
heady goblet
Have you ever seen anyone use it?
Actually
It did have one use in World
For the AT Namielle fight
icy stump
I've used it as a "oh shit" button a few times yeah
heady goblet
You used it to survive the "Nova," when you had full stamina
heady goblet
They throw a shit ton of water everywhere, and then electrocute all the water in the area
icy stump
Oh
Yeah that tracks
heady goblet
In the AT fight, it was basically a OHKO
But you could superman it to guarantee your survival
Or just
Be off the water
icy stump
Idk most of world is kind of a blur for me in hindsight
icy stump
Ikr?
heady goblet
Which is still really good
I seen some people I know call it the best
Which is just
Not the case
icy stump
Like World was good, but I felt like they held back on *most of the new monster designs for some reason
Like, xenojiiva and nergi kick ass
But like
Tobi is just watered down zinogre
And anjanath is just watered down glavenus
icy stump
Then you have IB, which brings back a bunch of classic monsters
But they ruin the game balance by adding clutch claw as a silly ass gimmick
icy stump
Like ngl, I think IB is the worst G rank update in MH history, because it actively makes the game less fun
heady goblet
FR
icy stump
How the fuck do you make Wex mid
Tbf it wasn't fantastic in 3U
It was just a 5%(?) Damage buff on weakspots back then
icy stump
Then again
This is 3U
So crit boost/all those affinity skills didn't really exist yet
Back then sharpness was your main DPS buff
heady goblet
Yeah, and Purple hadn't been nerfed yet
icy stump
Ye
heady goblet
You think they're gonna add more sharpnesses in the future?
icy stump
Honestly I wouldn't be opposed to it
heady goblet
I would like to see more of the Frontier sharpnesses return
And just
A return to frontier
Imagine Frontier with a new graphics engine
icy stump
Honestly I think frontier is kind of a monkeys paw type deal, and we kinda saw that in SB
Yeah we get cool shit like primal malzeno going nuts
But then in the same breath we get AoE spammers in hazard risen shaggy/valstrax
heady goblet
True
But I think the main problem is that we didn't have the tools Frontier offered
icy stump
Personally I think they should go more the GU route
Alternate playstyles kick ass
heady goblet
Side tangent, I'm really surprised at how good Silverwind/Hellblade weapons stayed after the jump to G Rank
icy stump
Hellblade weapons kick ass
heady goblet
Personally I think they should go more the GU route
Alternate playstyles kick a...
Frontier also did Styles, they were just 30 times more insane
Fr
icy stump
We're the styles in Frontier more just upgrades to each other tho?
heady goblet
Hellblade weapons can be argued to be just as good as Ahtal weapons when you really look at them
heady goblet
We're the styles in Frontier more just upgrades to each other tho?
Kinda, Extreme Style is where everything went batshit
icy stump
Like it's not like GU where each style has pros and cons
It's just they kinda get better and better
icy stump
Personally I really liked how each style gave us advantages in GU, but also set backs
It makes the whole system more interesting because there's more to consider
icy stump
And the ability to run with the weapon drawn
Even GS?
heady goblet
Yeah
icy stump
Gah damn
icy stump
One side thing I want back from frontier
Weapon length being a stat/thing to consider
heady goblet
TRUE
icy stump
I want the Greatest Sword
heady goblet
Longer sword length is more sweet spot to work with
icy stump
Imagine combining that with GUs dash strike
You literally would never miss anything ever again
heady goblet
It also changed the way strikes worked
You would hold the button, and it would hit the monster more
icy stump
Honestly that brings me to my one complaint with switch skills in SB
Most don't really feel that different as options in game
Like, we have tackle vs guard tackle, when we could've had tackle vs dash strike
It would been so cool
heady goblet
Leading to a shit ton of damage
icy stump
You would hold the button, and it would hit the monster more
So elem/stat GS go brrrr?
heady goblet
Honestly that brings me to my one complaint with switch skills in SB
Most don't...
Honestly, that tradeoff seems worth it
icy stump
I would trade tackle for that dash attack in a heart beat
heady goblet
Same
icy stump
It's just so much better
icy stump
Is that the ultra slap from Frontier?
heady goblet
But no bar
icy stump
Honestly yeah
heady goblet
Is that the ultra slap from Frontier?
No, it's Strong Charged Slash
icy stump
TCS is is gank as hell
Strong charge is more reliable
Doubly so if I have mah dashstrike
icy stump
It's a case of less is more
heady goblet
Fr, and consistency is everything
Being able to trade TCS for only SCS would be huge in Rise
Since you convert immediately into big damage
icy stump
Like, yeah holding charge->negative edge the silkbind button->parry->TCS or charge->tackle->tackle->TCS is neat and all
But like, why do that when can just strong charge and hit monster hard
Like in making the weapon more complex its kind of less fun
Because alot of the weapons flinching power/power in general is locked behind TCS
heady goblet
I find the routing into TCS really interesting, but the SCS play style is just more enjoyable
icy stump
Cause GSs whole gimmick is charge->hit monster hard
Id rather just do that then route out a whole ass setup for more damage
icy stump
Do you thing Fivers would make the swap?
Prolly not, cause they think GS is a tank weapon with that shoulder
heady goblet
I kinda wish there was a way to mod damage numbers into GU
icy stump
Same goes for if you brought back valor LS
Back then the parry didn't play the game for you, it was a way to enable you to maintain a offense
But new players don't realise initially LS was a footsies weapon
heady goblet
I think the problem with Rise is that you just do Counter> Counter> Counter
icy stump
They just see it as the counter weapon
heady goblet
And you could kinda play it like that in GU
icy stump
I don't think counters are bad inherently as a part of the gameplan
They're bad when they become the cornerstone of the gameplan
If that makes sense
heady goblet
But it required you too use up your Hunter Art slot
Which you could also put Absolute Readiness into
icy stump
And crit juncture had a bigass charge, so you better not miss
heady goblet
Yeah
icy stump
Tho using crit draw/punish draw on valor LS to knock out a bloodbath diablos is pretty funny ngl
heady goblet
Fair
icy stump
Dum dum kept throwing his head at me like he wants a concussion
But yeah, ngl I like LS in SB, cause sacred sheathe let's you basically play LS like valor style
Using the early release parry
heady goblet
I think Imma just go back to GU honestly
icy stump
Personally I think GU/SB are about neck and neck, with me Personally liking GU a bit more
heady goblet
GU still the GOAT for me
icy stump
If SB did a few things different tho I could see it blasting past GU, but ah well
icy stump
Although apparently the 20th anniversary is coming up soon
heady goblet
I think if players had more meaningful ways to mitigate damage it would've been peak MH
icy stump
So hopefully the next portable team game is just GU2
heady goblet
Although apparently the 20th anniversary is coming up soon
MH6 oh boy
heady goblet
So hopefully the next portable team game is just GU2
TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUE
MHGX
MHGXU
icy stump
Honestly if we got a game like that it's so fucking over
The series would peak
heady goblet
Fr fr
icy stump
Imagine
heady goblet
Just don't put any Gen 5 monsters in it aside from a few of the EDs
And the reworked old gen fights
And Espinas
heady goblet
I really don't like a lot of Gen 5's Monsters
icy stump
LET ME SEE A PRIMAL MALZENO THROW HANDS (and wings) WITH A RUINER NERGIGANTE, ITD BE SO FUCKEN COOL
heady goblet
I would very much like it if they were locked to the bottom of LR never to been seen again
Like Pukei
Or Anja
icy stump
Pukei is a goofy boi
heady goblet
Or and of the fucking lizards
icy stump
Jagras?
heady goblet
Pukei is a goofy boi
Yeah, but they're not exactly a fantastic fight
icy stump
He's not amazing but also not terrible
heady goblet
Great Girros is fucking awful
icy stump
Keep dodo tho
He's just a goofy Lil guy
heady goblet
I love being ganged up on by 2000000000000000 Paralysis lizards
icy stump
The most redeemable part of World
They gave us
da boi
heady goblet
Radobaan?
heady goblet
That's another monster I don't want to see every again, Uragaan
icy stump
Radobaan and uragaan both suck tho, get their dumbasses outta here
heady goblet
https://tenor.com/view/dodogama-hue-laughing-gif-11979379
The fight really isn't that good, I don't get what people see in them
heady goblet
Radobaan and uragaan both suck tho, get their dumbasses outta here
Nah, Radobaan was pretty cool, Uragaan always has been and always will be trash though
icy stump
Plesioth I'm torn on
On one hand, he fucking sucks
On the other
it's funny to bring him back and explicitly make him a key quest target
TWICE
icy stump
Like of all the random ass monsters they make you refight as a key quest in G rank for GU
They picked plesioth
It's like they know
heady goblet
They definitely do
icy stump
He literally has a move in stories two called "hyperspace tackle" or smth like that
They're perpetuating the joke
heady goblet
Yeah
icy stump
Ok, here's a fun one
Opinions on khezu?
heady goblet
I learned the fight
It's semi- enjoyable when you can just autopilot through it
Still an overrated and mid Monster though
With a design that looks half baked
icy stump
My enjoyment of his fight is entirely reliant on if I have earplugs or not
No? It suck
Yes? I relish in the amount of whoop ass I'm aboutta dish out on that dense MFer
icy stump
Yeah in GU I can tear him up with the dreadking set
icy stump
Entirely dependant on what weapon I bring
Smth like alchemy GS, Pain
Valor DBs is fun as hell tho
heady goblet
I bring Valor SA to basically everything I hunt
And if I wanna switch it up I got Valor SA
icy stump
Love how GU made axe mode decent with Tempest axe
Like if you combine that shit with valor style you can pop off
heady goblet
Valor SA is already busted though
icy stump
But tempest axe is a fun alternative playstyle
Of 90% axe/10% elemental double discharge
icy stump
Only problem with tempest axe is I burn sharpness very fast
heady goblet
That's why I run Absolute Readiness instead
icy stump
I managed to fully deplete a valstrax SA's white sharpness at least 2 times over a Crimson fatty hunt
heady goblet
I run that shit on literally any SA, and it gets infinite purple
My favorite to run is 100% Hellblade though
icy stump
Valstrax weapons are neat too
heady goblet
Silverwind weapons are a close second for me
icy stump
Personally?
Really like boltreavers
heady goblet
The Silverwind Longsword is peak
icy stump
All the deviant weapons are decent at worst and top 2 at best
icy stump
Lowkey, kinda upset crystalbeard uragaan weapons are the best bludgeoneer ones tho
heady goblet
I hate it too
icy stump
One of the few weapons to break the 370 raw soft cap
heady goblet
Silverwind having two of the best gunner weapons though
Got me feeling some typa way
heady goblet
See ya
heady goblet
Unga
heady goblet
It's cool, I took a nap
heady goblet
That's fair
heady goblet
I think Hellblade's Longsword is dope af, but I dig Silverwind's asthetic more
heady goblet
Which one's that?
icy stump
The rathalos/kush one
The hilt is all rath parts, but the blade itself is kushala
Such a cool idea for a weapon
icy stump
It's on a really obscure weapon tree
heady goblet
Isn't it crazy how mid some of the Fatalis weapons are?
And then you just get stuff like Crimson Fatty Insect Glaive and Hammer
icy stump
Crimson fatty weapons are either shit or absurd
Like
The GS has 260 raw
As a final upgrade
heady goblet
Pathetic
heady goblet
Not even Absolute Readiness?
icy stump
Yeah that's what I mean
heady goblet
icy stump
Mistyped 💀
It's absurd
Shit just use the boltreaver sword
That's got 280 raw, 40 affinity, and great sharpness, on top of having the deviant Hunter art bonus
heady goblet
Fr
icy stump
Man I wish we could color weapons in SB
...purely so I can make the astalos sword blue
heady goblet
They did it with those shitty fucking Arena weapons
icy stump
The rampage ones?
heady goblet
Yeah
icy stump
If you use the layered version of them them you can't change the pigment
heady goblet
Yeah
It sucks
Y'know
I got a shit ton of stuff in my weapon box I gotta finish upgrading
icy stump
Hyper parts?
icy stump
oh
Deviant G5s
icy stump
Damn
Hellblade powder be upon ye
heady goblet
I really wanna upgrade my Hellblade LS past Level 8, but I also have a Lance at level 11
heady goblet
Damn
Hellblade powder be upon ye
It's honestly not even that
icy stump
You're gonna need alotta it
heady goblet
I gotta be smart about the mats I use for points on the Lance
I never should've deleted that GU database app
Oh cool
The same guy also made a World Database
That's kinda cool
icy stump
Ngl, the last phase of primordial malzeno annoys the shit outta me
Like it's cool visually/in lore
But actually fighting it with GS suuuuuucks
heady goblet
I can imagine
heady goblet
Man, GS is so good in Sunbreak, but I feel like it also got kinda screwed over
icy stump
But I fucking cant
heady goblet
Shit's rough
Hopefully we get some crazier shit to play with in MH6
Or they tone Monsters down some
icy stump
Theroretically I could chain different parries together to deal with it
But if I fuck up once I get decapitated
heady goblet
Or you just get chipped out
icy stump
I mean
Strongarm doesn't take too much chip and redirection 2 doesn't take any
But still
heady goblet
Yeah
heady goblet
I can imagine
heady goblet
This is why bow is goated
Because I'm gonna die if I get hit anyways
Might as well shit damage and be so mobile I can't get hit
icy stump
I love surge slash GS but by God does it feel like this was the worst game to introduce it in
The speed everything moves at makes it so easy to get caught out
heady goblet
It was probably the only game it was getting introduced in
icy stump
Like if you take surge slash back to HR it does really well
heady goblet
Ah, it has Adept syndrome
icy stump
In MR it feels like you have to have damn preconitions to use I sometimes
It's obscene
heady goblet
Terminal Adept syndrome
icy stump
Adept is fine because it basically gives you evade +3
It's not as good as valor for DPS, but if you just wanna not take damage at all I'd argue it's better than valor
Cause the valor sheathe takes hella chip damage on late game monsters
Namely EXs
heady goblet
Yeah, but in GR you commonly are losing out on a large chunk of your damage due to how fast stuff is, unless you're running like, Adept LBG
icy stump
Honestly id say it still holds up well enough
Also adept is lowkey great at dealing with monsters with AoE attacks that are just one hitbox
Cause if you adept evade through a attack you become immune to that specific attack/hitbox
Ergo
Adept let's you run up rajang lazers/through gravios gas
icy stump
Granted valor does the same with the sheathe, but generally the counter attack takes longer
Cause you don't get the adept dash
heady goblet
Where if you Valor dodge in a laser it gives you enough iframes after to run out
icy stump
Nah I think valor let's you do the same thing of running up a rajang lazer
icy stump
Aight gimme a min
heady goblet
You gonna test it?
icy stump
Ye
heady goblet
Aight
icy stump
Cause I think they're coded the same way of just making you immune to that one hitbox
Funnily enough that code was reused for redirection of all thing I think in SB
Cause if you redirect a rajang lazer you can just run up it after
heady goblet
I legit dodged back into a Rajang laser, and it takes a few moments but eventually you do just get hit by it
Imagine if you could immediately cancel into the valor attack during a dodge
That shit would be so busted
icy stump
Yeah no I tested it and it just outright negates the rajang lazer
I valor sheathed it and ran, and valor sheathed and rolled up it, neither resulted in damage on my end
icy stump
What mightve happened to you is you valor sheathed the little nudge hit he does when he brings down the lazer if you're too close, which evaded you can into the lazer
icy stump
Was it online
You mightve valor sheathed off something else
Like a stray attack or smth
icy stump
What weapon did you use?
heady goblet
Switch Axe
icy stump
There must've been some kinda outlier that messed it up
Maybe you valor sheathed a your cats attack, which meant you weren't immune to the lazer?
Idk
heady goblet
Do you perhaps run evade skills?
icy stump
When I just tested it no
heady goblet
Hmmm
icy stump
I had the dreadking set with crit boost
...was the other player a gunner by chance
Could've been a stray bullet
heady goblet
Indeed
icy stump
Was it a furious rajang?
heady goblet
No
icy stump
Was there another monster in the area?
heady goblet
Maybe some small ones, but they didn't do anything iirc
icy stump
What area was it?
Like what map
I'm thinking if it was like a area with some bug small monsters they mightve spat smth at ya, you didn't even really acknowledge (cause Tbh their projectiles are pretty missable), but the attack you valor dodged was that which caused you to get doinked by the lazer
heady goblet
Arctic Ridge
icy stump
Mightve been a blangonga snowball or smth
icy stump
was this a Grank rajang?
heady goblet
Yeah
icy stump
Cause I tested on a HR one
Might be a Grank added thing that it has 2 hitboxes
heady goblet
Test it
icy stump
I gotta test it tomorrow cause I gotta sleep
heady goblet
Aight
icy stump
Did it do typical rajang lazer damage?
heady goblet
Yeah, I almost died from it
icy stump
Seems like a odd change tho
Given in later games MR rankings it went back to a singular hit (at least in rise)
heady goblet
Who knows
icy stump
Man, yknow what I hate
MFers who smack the monster with a weak ass hit when its sleeping when I'm literally 2 seconds away from a TCs
icy stump
Like it's one thing of you accidentally keep attacking when it's falling asleep, I get it
heady goblet
People crowding the head with a shit ton of barrel bombs
So that way the TCS itself can't hit
icy stump
But if the monsters been asleep for like a good bit, and you fucking blastdash over->slam youre a asshat
Like, it wasn't even bullet barrage
icy stump
People crowding the head with a shit ton of barrel bombs
That's kind of understandable tho
In that case I just switch to my rage slash scroll so I can get the single hit in
heady goblet
No like, spaced out the TCS so first hit whiffs, and then when the second hit makes contact, it activates the bombs first, and you lose out if a free 3K+
And there's no free space so it's bound to happen
icy stump
Yeah if you do rage slash most of the time you still get the hit in at least
heady goblet
I have legit been petty enough over it, that I will TCS another part of the Monster instead just to get damage
heady goblet
It wasn't even that
I was just sick of people using their bombs to unintentionally stop my TCS
icy stump
Yeah cause only the first bomb does triple damage iirc
So really the best case scenario is to place the bombs behind the monsters head, so GS can TCS, get double damage on that, then hit the bombs for extra
heady goblet
Yeah
icy stump
Also I should note this was on Primal malzenos final phase when I got the sleep toad off and this dumbass flew in and slapped him awake
If I landed the TCS the whole last phase would've been way shorter cause we prolly could've shaved a whole onslaught rotation off the run
heady goblet
Probably
heady goblet
Randos just be like that
icy stump
The randos in GU weren't this bad tho
heady goblet
Yeah, but you gotta deal with more new players with Rise/World
icy stump
Fair
heady goblet
What's your issues with it?
distant storm
how is the gameplay loop works
heady goblet
Okay
distant storm
is it grindy in a fun sense?
heady goblet
So the gameplay loop is killing monsters to upgrade gear to kill stronger monsters to make better gear
And yeah, it's the fun kind of grindy
icy stump
It is until Desire senor says "no gem for you"
Unless you don't like the combat in general which is a whole other thing
Even then the grinding for gems isn't too bad
heady goblet
And there's so much play style variety between weapons it's unlikely to find one you don't like
distant storm
oh interesting
okay it sounds alright so far
does it have character building?
or is it purely gear
icy stump
And in rise each weapon has 3 switch skills to unlock (going up to 5 in Sunbreak) which customizes the game more
Purely gear
heady goblet
The character building is tied to the gear
The armor you wear gives skills that enhance your character
distant storm
so weapons do set damage regardless?
icy stump
You upgrade those too
heady goblet
You can upgrade your weapons, there's whole bunch of factors that for into how much damage you deal
icy stump
There's a whole mathmatical formula
distant storm
okay so regular RPG stuff that affect damage doesn't apply
its upgrades and other gear
heady goblet
Where on the monster you hit, which part of the weapon hits the monster, crits, sharpness, the move you use
icy stump
There are buffs, but those are tied to items/HH if you use that
heady goblet
Where on the monster you hit, which part of the weapon hits the monster, crits, ...
And that's just at base without buffs
icy stump
Also elemental weaknesses
heady goblet
Yeah
distant storm
is there mechanics that hold you back from using other weapons
icy stump
Aside from upgrading multiple weapons at a time not really
And that's more a material/time investment
heady goblet
Once you hit endgame you can shred basically everything with anything
icy stump
Ye
heady goblet
Unless you pick up a new weapon
distant storm
how long is a casual playthrough give or take
heady goblet
Then you gotta learn how to shred with that
icy stump
Even then damage optimization is really easy because everything kind of reaches a singularity
In terms of skill investment
heady goblet
how long is a casual playthrough give or take
For completion?
distant storm
yeah
heady goblet
Just the main story
icy stump
100% would be a while
heady goblet
Maybe 100 hours if you have the dlc
distant storm
while doing moderate amount of grinding?
icy stump
The main "story" you could prolly bang out in 10ish, with another 5~8 for the G rank expansion
distant storm
Maybe 100 hours if you have the dlc
dlc as in sunbreak?
heady goblet
And if you're just really into the game
There is no limit
You grind forever
Honing your craft
heady goblet
dlc as in sunbreak?
Yeah
icy stump
Also you could totally just grab the defender gear to blast through the main game
If you were so compelled
icy stump
It's in Rise
heady goblet
icy stump
Tho they called it the blackbelt set
I forgor the actual armor set you use is different, but same idea of it being a decent set that enables you to blast through the game
Same for the defender weapons, except those are legitimately op
heady goblet
Yeah
heady goblet
Thank God they aren't hard carrys anymore
icy stump
They kinda are tho, considering how easy they are to upgrade
Like not hard, hard carries but still
heady goblet
Yeah, but I mean just being better
distant storm
okay I'm considering how to go about this
icy stump
Also iirc they give you 2 different blackbelt carry sets (one for lowrank/highrank) so you can balance it somewhat
distant storm
I might try out the game pass version or the steam demo to try the game out before getting it on steam with sunbreak