Tekken General

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/PhiDXGames/status/1929531375457009677

PhiDX (@PhiDXGames)

Last major balance patch this year will be July 8th, and is slated to include buffs.

Quoting TEKKEN (@TEKKEN)
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Fighters,
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︀︀The #TEKKEN8 battle balance adjustment Patch 2.02 will be released tomorrow, June 3, 2025 🤜🤛
︀︀Read our dedicated Patch 2.02 balance policy here:
︀︀www.tekken-official.jp/tekken_news/?p=1365
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︀︀Full patch notes will be posted at 18:30 PDT (6/2) | 3:30 CEST (6/3).

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FxTwitter · Jun 2, 2025, 1:31 PM

[wintry dagger]

[solid stirrup]

"Kuma is given a 6 pack"

[wintry dagger]

[wintry dagger]

Patch notes are up

https://www.tekken-official.jp/tekken_news/?p=1363

Jun keeps her fucking sniper rifle

[rigid mortar]

if i turn on a tekken streamer will it all be doom and gloom content?

[wintry dagger]

Depends on the streamer ngl

[real field]

Please let me know of any that aren't dooming I'm so sick of the negativity in every damn thing that gets put out

[wintry dagger]

It's an anti AOP/Zafina buff. I'm okay with it lol

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/6weetbix/status/1929713115467599907

6 weetbix (@6weetbix)

Hope this helps👍

Quoting MaK (@ThuhRealMak)
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FxTwitter · Jun 3, 2025, 1:33 AM

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/JustApplay/status/1929733240639853022?t=gtTADqTJedvevJGTtrNpcw&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/JustApplay/status/1929733240639853022

Mixbox | Applay (@JustApplay)

Visual guide to Patch 2.02's most notable changes
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︀︀Full patch notes here: www.tekken-official.jp/tekken_news/?p=1363
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︀︀#TEKKEN #TekkenLibrary @mixboxarcade

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FxTwitter · Jun 3, 2025, 2:53 AM

[cloud yoke]

Built different™️

[cloud yoke]

how it feels to learn something new about your character after 1,500 hours:

https://tenor.com/view/dog-lolipop-dog-high-res-lolipop-dog-dumb-ahh-dog-gif-9712755274845032770

[wintry dagger]

Gotta double check my friend list because I know damn well I wouldn't voluntarily friend a random Alisa main

Unless @reef geyser changed mains again and turned heel

[reef geyser]

Nope
I am loyal to Lars

[wintry dagger]

Even after the nerfs?

[reef geyser]

Even...

[wintry dagger]

Tbf I don't even know what they did to him

All I know is he got a lot of down arrows

[reef geyser]

DF1 is -3 instead of -1 OB

[wintry dagger]

About time

[reef geyser]

And WR1 is +4 instead of +7 OB
So you can step shit after blocking it

[wintry dagger]

At least it isn't-6 like Leroy's

[real field]

was having a bad day and a friend invited me to play tekken and it turned everything around. love tekken

feels like an appropriate time to learn a new character tbh

neither of us really knew what we were doing beyond flailing around so I tried out a few and of them, anna, asuka and jun felt wildly fun. gonna do more research. don't suppose anyone here plays any of them?

probably not gonna learn 'em all, but would be helpful identifying where to put the effort in. gonna be hunting for guides in the meantime

anna: her offense feels swingy with the movements and it feels pretty neat, and that weird parry stance seems cool. still haven't figured out what the debuff from the heat smash does but hey I bet there's more ways to apply it

jun: the fuck why she get murder lasers? I want murder lasers. also she looks cool as hell

asuka: I accidentally parried the dude five times and still am not sure how I did it. love me some parries. my life for more parries.

either way, did they make side stepping and low parrying easier? because it's either that or I somehow tapped into the matrix because I was landing low parries so much it made him stop using lows for awhile lmao

I don't remember playing super well because I was tired af but it was a blast

[real field]

this dude is WILDING if he thinks a guide that hasn't been updated since november is worth the price of a whole-ass video game

[solid stirrup]

Just stick to the YouTube tutorials

I find it kinda wild you were willing to pay for training on a just for fun character

[stark salmon]

i play all Kazamas since 5. Ask me anything for Jun/Jin/Asuka/DJ

[real field]

I 100% wasn't, but one of the YouTube tutorials advertised this so I was curious what the rate was LMFAO

You've gotta be insane to pay that much on a tutorial package right? Like, my god

[real field]

Will do as soon as I have a better understanding of what I don't know LMFAO

Falling into an ocean tbh

The biggest one is why do people say that Asuka and Jun are hyper similar, I'm barely noticing anything they seem to share?

Like all I've directly found is the knee that's like B4 on Asuka I think but it seems like it's used differently between the two?

I'm also doing a terrible job of finding anything behind the surface on my own

Big list of YouTube tutorials assembled though I'm working through it's just something I was curious about

Unless I'm crazy Jun seems much more stance and movement focused, with a heavier emphasis on kick moves, and Asuka seems to be much more about just full on clobbering people and being death to get counter hit by

[stark salmon]

In previous titles, the best one i can say is Tag 2, Asuka is more a defensive character with reversals whereas Jun is more mixups oriented with reversals.

Both Asuka and Jun do have punch sabaki, f2+3, and a mid/high reversals, b1+3. The difference is Jun “cannot hold her reversals” unlike Asuka.

They are both annoying and frustrating to play against due to full of “knowledge checks”.

Jun has more options to open her opponent but Asuka struggles in opening of her opponents.In the end, both characters share same and similar tools, therefore both considered very similar.

However, In Tekken 8, their entire character chemistry changed. Asuka has become a full “gorilla” character with great Offensive Tools like wr1+2, NWG Install and the infamous uf1,2, AHO BOKE.

On the other hand, Jun gets more stances to mix their opponents. Her new Install boost her damage and increases her laser, MIA 2. This stupid move can hit her opponent from Range 3 to 4 and can be safe due to distance despite of being -20. MIA 1+2, B1+2 1+2, is a homing move and create a true RPS. Furthermore, this move can reach her opponent from Range 3.

[stark salmon]

you have the correct idea

[stark salmon]

Asuka’s B4 is one of her greatest tools. On CH, it launches that can deal serious damage and can be thrown recklessly due to being safe oB.

On the other hand, Jun’s B4, (2) is not safe. Jun uses B4 as a “check” and 2 extension to catch mashers. However, it is -13 oB.

[real field]

Thank you so much!! I'll be back with more questions once I've figured more stuff out!!

[stark salmon]

one thing you can do is watch gameplays through “replay” section. Dont watch high level players yet but intermediate player like Rulers or low Blues.

[real field]

That had never occurred to me! Great idea! Much easier to emulate and closer to the gameplay I'm liable to encounter yeah?

[wintry dagger]

Mother of God please don't pay for tutorials. Ask around here or other discords. I didn't read all the comments yet but Near can teach you Jun/Asuka

And I recently started playing Anna but don't have a good grasp on her yet

[real field]

yeah don't worry I'm not gonna, I was just taken completely off guard by how ridiculous the price was tbh

[wintry dagger]

Yeah I don't blame you. Whoever would pay $60 to Watch a video on Asuka when a YouTube search shows you free guides is crazy

[real field]

oh that reminds me

@stark salmon have jun/asuka changed enough in season 2 that season 1 guides are obsolete, or is it more a "there's been a few changes here and there and then new moves added" situation?

to hear people talk about it from outside every character is completely different, tekken is doomed and harada hates everyone who owns the game and personally mailed letterbombs to all their houses and kicked their dogs

..........So I don't really trust the collective voice of the broader community tbh LMAO

[stark salmon]

I learn Jun by fixing KiraKira’s mistake and built a gameplay around “Sniper”. @wintry dagger knows. I will hit you with that sniper and you will not know it 😂

[stark salmon]

buddy let us be on VC and I will teach you everything you need to know on entire Kazamas

Just give me a time and place

[stark salmon]

Asuka changed drastically but Jun got a new move with some changes

[wintry dagger]

Jun got Unga-ed

[wintry dagger]

Having to sidestep block at range 4 is fucking evil

[real field]

my sleep's been all over the place the last while, when would work for you? I can try to work around that. I'd love to have your help!

I'll be taking notes during if that's alright! I keep note files so I can actually remember anything about characters LMAO

[stark salmon]

i do not mind. I was thinking Thursday at 10 am ET

[real field]

I'll aim for that!

I put it on my calendar :D

in the meantime I'll practice as much as I can!

[wintry dagger]

Make it Friday 10AM

[real field]

How specifically do parries work? Are there consistent rules to what can and cannot be parried? Is there for instance a type of move I shouldn't try to parry because none of the ones available will work? Is the answer different for Jun vs Asuka?

So far I'm liking Asuka more but having wayyyy more success with Jun LMAO

[wintry dagger]

There are normal parries and strong parries. Normal parries like Nina's catch high and mid punches and kicks. But won't catch Knees or Elbows

Strong parries catch the mid/high punches and kicks, but also knees and elbows

[stark salmon]

up to @real field

[wintry dagger]

I'm joking lol

I've got fridays off so I'd join in on the training montage

[real field]

@stark salmon so after two days my go-to plan on Jun (which needs. a lot of work, trust me, I know) is:

• if they always start the round with jabs, do the parry
• If they play defensive, go for 1+2 throw
• if they insist on staying way the hell out, hit back1+2 and float menacingly. Use 2 if they run in, press forward for auto low parry if they try to do slide kicks etc.
• any time they're on the ground, kick 'em while they're down
• If in pressure and feel there's a gap, you can-can-can always use down 3+4

My best

'punish' I'm working with is 1+2 throw into kick them on the floor, and depending on if they tried to tech somehow that got them counteriht, do it again until they're out of range, then hover menacingly and wait.

[real field]

https://youtu.be/C8QujOXBfpY?si=bK-Lcx_f064UQ8pv

I think I might love playing Asuka actually

[real field]

I'll be around all morning in case you're available a bit early @stark salmon I have to play as much as possible for this stupid pass my dumb ass got with the free tokens since it refunds itself... 3 days left...

[stark salmon]

Ok i can hop on a little bit early since i have nothing yet at work

[real field]

👍

[plucky sky]

You got high crush counterhit launchers and shit on her

Use those instead

[wintry dagger]

@real field I took today off so I'm free whenever you're playing

[wintry dagger]

@cloud yoke ggs. My ps5 refuses to connect to the servers right now

[cloud yoke]

That's alright I've got dinner to eat

[real field]

tekken servers are shitting themselves

never gonna make it in time with this pass 😭

[real field]

@stark salmon I think I figured out a way to succinctly explain the momentum thing you mentioned that makes sense in my brain - you want to equalize the pace by balancing out your opponent, yeah? If they're flinging buttons and playing super aggressive and fast, it pays to play slow - and if they're playing slow, you look to go in and go for the more aggressive options to overwhelm them, then feel out when the pressure gets them to press so you can mirror it back, yeah?

the servers are dying but I had a match I am insanely proud of against a dragunov. I'm gonna record it later if the servers decided to live again

[wintry dagger]

I've discovered a way to make Kazuya players not rematch

Just call them a degenerate right before you KO them

[real field]

Hoooooly shit I did it

@stark salmon you're my hero!!!!!

[real field]

also I have a record for what I think is probably the closest round end possible in tekken without it being a double KO

https://youtu.be/-wOhrguDv90?si=UJduLcwQhs2_Q1TQ&t=264

link should be timestamped

[real field]

legit might actually complete the pass in time

[wintry dagger]

Just gotta get to level 60

[stark salmon]

told you you are becoming blue ranks with 4 tools we went through 😂😂

[wintry dagger]

1 HP, 1 second and 1 dream ft @stark salmon

[stark salmon]

i miss calculated

🙃

[wintry dagger]

Ggs shake my hand

[stark salmon]

Ah yea. Mb you had a better movement, whiff punish. Damn me I should done better in this polished fighting game

[wintry dagger]

Idk about all that but I did have the better realignment

[stark salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

@wintry dagger be available tonight. We will run again this time without interruptions

[real field]

some of these wins feel incredibly gnarly

getting someone in the corner and spin kicking them six times into a throw into kicks until they're dead is some villainous shit LMAO

should've teched!

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real field]

I did the math, I have to do about 12 matches an hour to make it if 100% of matches are losses. Currently level 48!

battle ruler now

so close to blue rank

recalculating taking into account plans I forgot I made tomorrow, shaving off 8 hours for sleep etc.,

13 losses/hour, with victories obviously narrowing that down. it's 1k per level, 50 per loss. I'm so. close. I genuinely think I might make it

I am not playing cautious enough and not spending time reviewing matches because of the time crunch, but I will really begin doing so after this is over, 100%

[real field]

I'm gonna make it

also my new favorite buttons (not for usefulness I just love them) are asuka's up1+2 and uf2, where she grabs their face and slams them down

they are so incredibly satisfying to use

I get excited whenever there's a breakable floor because I can do df1, 2 into floor break into u1+2 into f3+4 and it's like 75 damage

[stark salmon]

up? or while running?

oh while standing?

[real field]

while standing - the one that can spend install

the jump punch

[real field]

this is crack, for me,

58. sleeping. 21 hour session. finishing tomorrow. I love this game. I have. GOT. to take a break from asuka for a day or so. oh my god.

[stark salmon]

@real field when I talk about "decision making process" and keeping the momentum balanced, this is what I mean. I forgot some tools of Ask's in previous games but I was doing my best to utilizing what I know.

[real field]

You did an absolutely stellar job, I played hundreds of matches, literally hundreds, and I never once found myself confused about why I lost a match

"He's not minus there, got it"
"I got frustrated and messed up the input, got it"

I was audibly speaking to myself when I was holding pressure going "2, 3" or "1, 4" and started absolutely killing it on a level I never have before

I do have

Opinions, of the cast, now

But also that was bound to happen LMFAO

[stark salmon]

watch this round. On the 10th second, my opponent is responding a lot with jabs. I had a mental note of that. When he did the same thing again, I was certain he will panic as his HP goes down.

and I finish the round with a knowledge check that we went through, f4 into df1

The game is not math and I do not know my frames, trust me. However, all you need to focus on is how you will respond. Not with What but How.

[real field]

Oh I just more mean situations like

"Okay so that looked unsafe but I pressed and got btfo for it, hmm"

Db+1 is an amazing tool for that situation

Speaking of I have bad news

I don't know how to spell it but enhanced aho ge (?) (uf 1,2)

Is not plus anymore. It's 0 on block

It does make for a good pressure tool still because few people can stop db 1 at point blank 0 but it remains not advantageous

BUT

Fff 1+2 enhanced, while duckable, tracks and is +6

Some people see me run up and duck, so I try waiting with FF b FF b FF b and if they don't bite I run up and do df 1,2 and kill them

And if they step I do fff1+2 and KILL THEM

[stark salmon]

yes but remember, we talked about "conditioning" people. One thing you can do for uf1,2 on enhanced is condition them to challenge it so you can parry it.

[real field]

I started doing uf1 cancel 2 into db 1 or d1+2

It's powerful

[stark salmon]

Again, your job is to stay in control and there are indefinite ways to do that.

[real field]

It feels so good

I used to think the point of punishes was damage but you have enlightened me

[stark salmon]

introduce 1+2 as well.

[real field]

The point is asserting power

[real field]

GOOD IDEA

[stark salmon]

exactly. Remember, the amount of power does not win you games but your ability to control and utilization.

Do not crash your car.

I taught the similar stuff to Snake and now, fucker annoys me a lot. 😛

[real field]

Yeah I played 21 hours to get to 58 on the pass and am finishing it today, and spent the final 6 hours autopiloting terribly just to get the points but I FEEL IT

Dude when I ducked a Viktor using the canned handgun string and punched him in the face when he teleported when I tell you I felt like a god

[real field]

In other games my default strategy is structured around playing like a maniac and getting a feel for the line between "there's no way he'll do that" and "kill them for reading I would do the stupidest possible thing by doing the smart thing"

[stark salmon]

no, we are rebuilding your mindset to approach all games.

I did not teach you tekken yet but basic fundamentals of approaching games.

[stark salmon]

I did not play Strive hella long but if I boot the game, i can still give a challenge or so I feel.

idea here is you must remain control while learning the game's tools

Again, never lose control. If you find yourself conflicted, Tekken invented the best replay feature. Take over that situation and develop better responses. In time, you will feel like "I have been in this situation before" in match and that is the best feeling.

[real field]

I changed my username to Megalomancer because i-no has a command grab that isn't very good called Megalomania, and I am a master of landing it to piss off my opponent and then kill them for getting reckless

I thought Tekken would have no equivalent rush

But every time someone is hitting backdash over and over and I snipe with db3 over and over and then they run at me get parried and I kick them in the ankles and run disgusting mix I feel incredible

[real field]

I got that feeling yesterday against all the drags Bryan's and kazuyas

Drag throws power crush over and over? DIE

Funny thing
There's only one character I didn't fight even once and it blows my mind

I also assumed there'd be way more Clive with how obnoxious he is

[stark salmon]

he is hella boring.

And hella easy to play while being hella strong. People who d like to take "shortcuts" would play him only.

I will later strongly advise you to play another character that has completely different tools.

Play Lidia, Jin, Leo, Reina etc.

[real field]

I was taking notes of characters who look cool as I was going

I had already played a little bit of xiaoyu, feng, steve and king, but nothing like this, more in a "I know what some of their stuff does as opposed to basically none of it" way. Did let me beat a bunch of King players/lose less than I would have though

Characters I've fiddled with and like what I saw but also don't know very well: Anna, Jun

characters I don't know much but think seem really really cool from fighting them: Reina (LOVE how flashy her movement is, big fan of her character-wise), Heihachi (favorite fighting game villain 100%), hwoarang (he seems neat in how he moves etc. but he also seems like he'd be easy to fall into autopiloting knowledge checky gimmicky stuff that gets you blown up)

Fahk is the entire reason I pivoted to coming back to tekken in general though, I am 100% at least trying him when he launches, purely off "I love muay thai, Ong Bak is a fucking sick movie and he does that shit? HELL YEAH" lmaoooo

Armor King I'm also eager to try but don't know I'd stick with, I just like the novelty of seeing how his buttons feel

[real field]

so of anna, jun, heihachi, reina, who would you most recommend I put time into to learn how to play significantly differently from Asuka?

I've been playing not terribly cleanly much of the time (a lot of yesterday was practicing mechanics and just blitzing matches to get this stupid pass xp one way or another) so my gameplay is far from perfect of course but even when really tryharding I still find myself relying way too much on parry (and it works, to be fair, but also, sometimes people look, with their eyes, at the screen, and throw me for it)

random thoughts about the rest of the cast:

• The only characters I hate seeing on the screen at all are Clive (because of non-tekken-related reasons) and Alisa (who I hate PURELY because of her annoying sound effects and obnoxious animations). Even if there are things that can be frustrating about other characters (Lidia waving her arms and daring me to guess when I'm allowed to press is pretty stressful; Heihachi's incredible reward off lows that I need more practice reacting to is also a lot) I actually am excited to fight literally anyone that's not those two

• I LOVE fighting Devil Jin because every fucking Devil Jin throws some whack-ass nonsense where they jump into the air and think they're hot shit and I press 3+4 or sidestep, snipe them out of the sky and steal their lunch money. Jins doing roundstart divekick also die to asuka roundstart 3+4 which is hilarious because free f3+4 and now I have install, good work dumbass

• Bear is less obnoxious than I thought when you have asuka standing 3+4 and can crush their floor mix.

• Of everyone I encountered who was especially toxic yesterday, why is it half of them were kazuya mains, and the entirety of the rest of the list was split between only Alisa, Law, Bryan, Lee and Paul. What is up with that?

• Yoshi players really do just coast off people not knowing how to snipe them out of stance and throwing telegraphed unblockables and have fuck-all idea what to do when you don't fall for either, huh?

• Steve players fucking hate me

• Raven goes from "What the fuck do I do to this character" to "How could I lose to this character" on a player-to-player basis and I find that hilarious. You're gonna do wake-up teleport every time? teleport into THIS DELAYED FIST, MORON

• I encountered exactly one Shaheen player. I literally do not know what this character does and got beaten fairly badly. I remember trying him in training mode and not finding him very interesting and that's basically all. Took him to final round in the second match at least IIRC but the first was a blowout.

• I now completely understand the jokes I've heard about Lili Players™️ but they are not as true as I'd been led to believe. 100% of law players I encountered literally did not stop pressing every, at any time, in any situation, but only half or so of lili players had fuck-all clue what they were doing and an intricately-designed custom look

• I think Leo might be the most annoying character not named Alisa but he's so satisfying to blow up it doesn't really matter that much

• Lee players stop starting your strings with lows and getting blown up for it challenge (impossible)

• Of the several King players I encountered, there are two broad categories: "I know exactly one set of mix, telegraph it and don't know what to do if you can counter that extremely specific mix" and "I'm going to spend the first two rounds using noncommittal options to see what you do and then it's chain throw city motherfucker get bent" and that second group I have so, so much respect for no matter how frustrating they are in the moment to get death cradled by

I think King might be the coolest grappler in all fighting games and it's not even close. I love pro wrestlers and he "only" has EVERY WRESTLING MOVE TO EVER EXIST it's fucking sick (except the breathing poison thing... which AK does, so, lmao)

• One of heihachi's win animations is the exact same as sf6 akuma's except I love heihachi so instead of finding it obnoxious I just go "OH, YOU, WHAT A KIDDER THAT HEIHACHI!"

• Anna is some loony toons shit and I think it's hilarious and really neat but I don't understand how to play her terribly well. Turns out 'Swing the fucking rocket launcher bro' is not an actual game plan, and the one Anna player I encountered who knew more than that was a nightmare. Funny thing is I fought two Annas I remember, one of them knew an extremely long combo that did 85 damage but they only landed it twice and I murdered them. The other didn't bother to do anything bigger than 75, and in much shorter strings, but was a fucking nightmare

• Claudio is a character who I'm sure has some kind of strength but I wouldn't know it from the claudio players I've fought because all of them attack into my parry and kill themselves and can't block to save their lives. How many times do I have to smash your face into the ground before you learn?

• Am I insane or is fighting Jack-8 just "Cycle between an armored move, sidestepping, and hopkicking and the character ceases to exist"?

from 3 days of ranked, ranging green to first blue (fujin I think).

Of note, no Victors showed up once I hit purple. No Law players showed up before purple. I think I fought two leroys.

[stark salmon]

yeah. I played the entire roster in 5 DR and understood archetypes of the characters. I lab new comers in 7 and even played the most stupid ones like Kuni.

i went through 1st years’ dlc but did not struct me.

[stark salmon]

you should see my Jun 😂

[wintry dagger]

[real field]

would love to! I feel like I'd learn a lot

Got any insight into anna? lmao

I think I'm gonna play her next

I just love her goofy ass movement so much

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/1933889448519012845?t=OkXhWllttRWQX5w74a5_8Q&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/1933889448519012845

Katsuhiro Harada (@Harada_TEKKEN)

She (Reina) is indeed one of Heihachi’s biological children. She’s the type who thoroughly investigates everything (in Japan, this kind of person is sometimes likened to a “snake”), so she already knows most of the background information about Lars as well.
︀︀Heihachi has conducted extensive research and experiments to uncover the true origin of the Devil Gene. Lars’s mother was one of the researchers Heihachi met when the Tekken Force was conducting operations in Sweden.
︀︀However, to Heihachi, Lars’s existence was merely a “small piece of evidence” to support his hypothesis that the Devil Gene does not originate from the core Mishima bloodline.
︀︀Heihachi has fathered numerous biological children in an effort to prove his hypothesis that the Devil Gene does not originate from the Mishima bloodline. In addition to this, he has pursued every possible avenue of genetic research.
︀︀Reina is both one of Heihachi’s biological children—born fro…

FxTwitter · Jun 14, 2025, 2:09 PM

[wintry dagger]

We getting Harada lore dumps again. Tekken is healing

[real field]

fuck yeah!

[real field]

@stark salmon I think you said before that Asuka is a bad character to pressure with jab strings on, right? Could you please tell me if any of heihachi, anna, or reina are strong at it? I'm not sure how to tell but I'm interested in practicing that kind of thing, it sounds neat

[wintry dagger]

Any Mishima is great at jab pressure ngl.

Mishima classic 112 for a 10 frame knockdown into wavedash mixup/stance mixup (Reina)

or the 122 for +4 on which leaves you point blank range with the opponent and can also go into one of Heihachi's stances/Reina stance

[real field]

wait

seriously???

why do none of them do that???

they all just send it with big attacks LMAO

[stark salmon]

Mishimas are great for jab pressure, keep out and great 50/50s.

To compensate that, they are linear and requires execution and movement

[stark salmon]

stances can be interrupted remember that

then again, we are playing guilty gear 8

[real field]

never let anyone accuse me of not being cheap and petty

[plucky sky]

I'm like

Level 130

[reef geyser]

50 smt

[plucky sky]

EWGF is 13f at the fastest, high crushes and is plus on block

[plucky sky]

Heihachi doesn't really have that much jab pressure anymore and has the weakest 50/50 of the Mishimas

1, 1 is -5 on block as opposed to -1 for every other Mishima

So he can't 11 then sidestep to keep his pressure up

[stark salmon]

1,1, uf1 (can be confirmed), df1 extensions.

He does not need ss. 1,1 into df1,2 semi charge would keep his opponent in check

Furthermore, mishimas’ “One Jab” is strong as hell across all titles.

[plucky sky]

uf2* and still df1 got nerfed as well

1,1 into df1,2 is interruptible

Also df1, semi charge 2 is also interruptable with a 12f gap between them

Despite being the poke Mishima in 7, he got hit hard in 8

[stark salmon]

thats why you do not do 1,1 but 1 to keeping a momentum, 1,1 for checking a reaction

[stark salmon]

but in 8, they killed archetypes of all characters

[plucky sky]

No?

He's still a mid pressure monster

He's just weaker at poking this time around

[stark salmon]

With charges and stances?

[plucky sky]

Yeah

Stances are eh to his pressure tbh

[stark salmon]

Thats not mid pressure but mix. Which describes entire Tekken 8. You either interrupt stances and charges by “guessing” the best option

[plucky sky]

No, he's mid pressure

f4, b2, uf3,4 and such

You don't really use stances too much besides after block heat smashed

Like you do plus mid into plus mid or counterhit launchers

As you've always done for the past

Decade or so

[stark salmon]

F3, F4 were not serving its purpose like they were in previous titles.

f3 into stance
f4 into stance
uf3,4 is the only tool that you can pressure but who uses it in games.

Qudans’s hei is based on getting into stance or get the counter hit for launch

Which describes the entire game’s gameplay

[plucky sky]

He doesn't have a counterhit stance launcher besides rai2 or rai4

[stark salmon]

i rephrase it. Or would be better.

[plucky sky]

Also like, you don't have to go into stance after f4, you can hit confirm that transition if they're crouching

[stark salmon]

Which is an universal tool for mishimas

[plucky sky]

f3 doesn't work the same as the last game

But it got replaced by b4

[stark salmon]

https://youtu.be/_iaR72xBhNM?si=6KGlAehclk-eS-NW

4th is an example of a good hei pressure.

[plucky sky]

All I'm seeing is 11 into ss and df1 into sidestep

Which he can't do anymore

Near, I'm gonna be honest like 90% of the shit you say is in bad faith, and you'd probably be much happier as a person if you just stop talking about games you clearly don't like

[stark salmon]

You know there is a reason why “Silence GoD, a Garyu is talking” meme.

I love this franchise and I take my time to help anyone. 90% of my opinions i say here, I learned it in locals and games I played offline and tournaments.

When I say they killed all characters’ archetype I meant it.

Because, Jun did not shoot lasers or force you a true rps from Range 3.

Or Asuka who never had an offensive tool got low risk high reward tools

Or Jin …………….

Or Heihachi with installs that makes him a T3 boss character.

I can go on and on. However, I’m dead serious when I say anyone can play 8 cannot play Tekken because it feels like Guilty Gear

But hey, I shut up since you know better than me.

[plucky sky]

Mate I've been playing this shit since 2010

[cloud yoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/872760923771789323/1098737055774806087/attachment-3.gif

[plucky sky]

You one who always talks about going "Oh play Tag2", even a guy with like 2 matches knows that T8 Jun is based on TTT2 Jun and Unknown

[plucky sky]

And it's not about skill level, it's about you being a miserable cunt all the time

[real field]

oh I mean like kicks and shit

[stark salmon]

And Im playing this since Tk3 days got serious in 5 and started to compete in 7. Got my first medal last year. Stopped playing mid way of S1 and remained casual since then

[real field]

I realized after I said it it's because I parry so much though

[stark salmon]

Did unknown had a range 3 homing move that force you into a True RPS

[plucky sky]

You been playing since 97?

[stark salmon]

2001. Did not have ps2 at that time.

[cloud yoke]

Can you guys stop the dick measuring contest, nobody cares for how long you played this franchise

[stark salmon]

rogue please you stay out of this

[cloud yoke]

Nah I got my namco-forum pass from the *Big Mashu™️ * and I can occupy the same chat space

[stark salmon]

Do whatever you wanna do. You are not worth of my energy and time.

[cloud yoke]

Nah I can't believe a Jun player would say some dumb shit like that

[stark salmon]

Nah, I cannot believe a Hworang player would be arrogant. Again, you are welcome to challenge me in any tekken game you like to play.

[cloud yoke]

Why would I ? You aint taking fights seriously.

[stark salmon]

then make me.

[real field]

I only actually care that I made it to 60 because I bought the pass like 4 days ago without realizing how little time was left LMAOOOOOOOOO

and I am both petty enough and cheap enough that I only did it because I had the free coins from the heihachi stage debacle and only did it to get the refund on completion

[stark salmon]

#1021482093072629861 message

@cloud yoke since you know everything about Tekken 8.

[cloud yoke]

I mean if you would play a more skillful character, like Hwoarang you would know more (and be able to read that "mostly" that I wrote over there)

But I understand that your arrogance clouded your reading comprehension

[cloud yoke]

You are being made by your approach,
"hur durr i am hitting you with tekken 5" meanwhile you simply press the fucking sidestepping -13 mid heat engager in the middle of my pressure as asuka ( like my ass didn't know that hwoarang is weak to sidesteps)

[stark salmon]

if you say so

[real field]

you guys ok?

[stark salmon]

nah, Im not that arrogant but your toxicity pissed me off. Again, last words about you.

You are toxic, not a great player you claim to be and a pain in the neck. I’m done with you and blocking your arse.

You do whatever you wanna do because you cannot be reasoned

[cloud yoke]

I would take a lesson from Zyx

[midnight musk]

I ain't got a horse in this race but I do know that Tim Cain know more about video games than everyone here combined
https://youtu.be/tLD4AaDDN0U?si=_5f4-8mmx3tL-5Sv

[wintry dagger]

[cloud yoke]

[wintry dagger]

Was there like a specific item from the battle pass you wanted? Or just something like fomo?

[real field]

I wanted to get back into Tekken in prep for fahk because I love muay thai movies and think he looks cool af!

and I had the 800 coins from the stage debacle last year so I said fuck it why not get the pass, since it refunds itself

THEN found out I had 5 days left

I could lie and say I wanted the ponytails for my hatsune miku outfits, but really I just made a bunch of hatsune miku outfits because I got the ponytails LMAO

[wintry dagger]

@real field since you're done with the pass, ping me sometime whenever you want to play

[real field]

for sure! we have a room up rn if you want!

I'd love to fight now that I'm not chained to ranked LMAO

[wintry dagger]

Yeah ill join in a few

[real field]

@wintry dagger ggs btw!!! good to finally get the chance to catch you!

[wintry dagger]

Definitely ggs. I'm down to play whenever

[real field]

I need to learn more, gonna take some time to research some stuff and take more notes! Every time I'm positive I know who to play I start waffling all over again LMAO

I think I have to play someone that doesn't have a parry or I'm never going to get rid of this terrible habit tbh, I have to learn to just hold my own minus frames

[wintry dagger]

Legit around half the roster has some sort of parry so that may be harder than you expect lol.

I typically won't press after I've done a move that's-5 or more just because a jab from the opponent beats your sidestep when you're-5 or more

Maybe start playing around with holding your minus frames when you're around -5 or 6.

If you press buttons when you're -7 -8 or -9 you had better have a damn good hard read on your opponent

Like @stark salmon successfully can canning me out of +9 situation because I went for a low attack at +9

Damn good read

[real field]

the asuka db+1 high crush is completely insane on minus frames, I catch people so much with the jumpkicks that are -4 to -6 with it

[cloud yoke]

Gun runners in a warzone that is tekken 8

[stark salmon]

😏 and you d will use hermit with pimp named slickback outfit …….

[wintry dagger]

I'll use Hermit with A Pimp Named Slickback, Colonel H. Stinkmeaner, or Uncle Ruckus.

Hermit rated E for everyone

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/BNEesports/status/1933965160336785439?t=QdHTzC7bicMV699814X0VQ&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/BNEesports/status/1933965160336785439

Bandai Namco Esports (@BNEesports)

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD! YOU'RE GONNA LEARN TODAY!😈
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FxTwitter · Jun 14, 2025, 7:10 PM

[wintry dagger]

1. This is funny as hell

2. The fact you can make Tekken World Tour and not know to side step at least once after Anna's in stance is sad

[stark salmon]

one ss2 would solve wonders

[real field]

Suddenly feeling less good about hitting Fujin on Asuka LMFAOOOOOOO

[real field]

I'm going insane with choice paralysis

Tekken is the only fighting game where I legitimately would love playing about half the cast and it's the hardest game to do that in 😭

I think what I'll do is put together some kind of template or process to fill out some kind of back of the envelope basic gameplay guide like with Asuka and then try out several to see how they feel before committing to anything especially complicated

Does every character have strong frametrap options like Asuka df1 -> 2 to absolutely murder people who won't stop mashing jab or is that more rare in this game?

Aside from charging RA and holding parry I don't know what is "Asuka has some privilege" and what is "this is normal for Tekken and exceptions are outliers"

[real field]

Also despite stereotypes I can report that (anecdotally) in my fuckload of matches I kept track of incidents of toxicity and things like bad connections, "mysteriously" bad connections/performance at "convenient" timings, one-and-done, etc.

............and it's not even close, this game has WAY LESS toxicity than strive or sf6.

I have kept track of the numbers on all three games, and in a day of strive in tower it was around 20% of matches (not exaggerating)
in sf6 a day of matches it was around 17%

Tekken it was about 5%

Obviously it's anecdotal, but my god it's strange that the game with an incredibly awful twitter presence has such a pleasant player base

[real field]

checklist:

Best close range poke (usually a jab)
Best long ranged poke (ideally either a mid, tracking, or both)
Best annoying low (used to provoke opponent to press, safeish)
Best scary low (used for high reward but is risky)
Find a frame trap to punish mashing. Ideally safe on block. Also hope for high damage or combo setup potential or both. Perfect if all three!
Best whiff punish (ideal traits: longer range, either an evasive movement or a shove forward. Look to set it up with a move that pushes the opponent back on block)
space control moves for keep-out (safe on block at range, ideally hard to react to on whiff, hits mid or low, tracking nice but not required)
Anti-low answer (hopkick, etc.)
12/13 frame punish, ideally into a knockdown (full combos unimportant)
15 frame punish into a knockdown (full combos unimportant)
While standing punish into a knockdown (full combos unimportant)
Tracking move to stuff sidesteps, ideally with long range
"panic" move - get out of bad situation move. (High-crushing, or sidestepping, or low-crushing, or very fast/a parry or sabaki, something that saves you from a bad situation now and then but shouldn't be relied upon)
Armored move (Ideally one with significant range and not super long total duration)
"I just wanna press something" move - think Asuka b+4, a move with high reward that's safe on block, range entirely optional

optional: A way to push the opponent back on block or hit.

With ideally some overlap with the above: Pick 2 jab string extensions (ideally with a variety of mid/low), pick 2 running moves (ideally one tracking move and one mid), figure out what stances the character has and how to move between them if relevant/possible, make note of any complicated ubiquitous tech (EWGF, wavedashing, cartwheeling back, etc.) to practice during downtime, know any parry/sabaki options the character has.

is this good? I'm trying to not be overwhelming while still having one tool for any common situation, which means having an answer to linear strings, punishable forced crouch/low moves, punishable standing moves, sidestepping, jumping attacks, someone trying to constantly backdash away, and having a decent idea of the fundamental basics of the character's gameplay/gameplan, without a focus on long difficult combos

the idea is that I would copy paste this into my note documents for characters and 'fill it out' to keep as a reference during/between matches on my second monitor.

As an example, thanks entirely to the help of @stark salmon, this is what my Asuka's looks like:

Best close range poke (usually a jab) 1
Best long ranged poke (ideally either a mid, tracking, or both) db+3
Best annoying low (used to provoke opponent to press, safeish) db+3
Best scary low (used for high reward but is risky) d1+2 -> f2 on hit
Find a frame trap to punish mashing. Ideally safe on block. Also hope for high damage or combo setup potential or both. Perfect if all three! df1, 2 / uf1, 2 (or cancel 2) -> db 1, 2
Best whiff punish (ideal traits: longer range, either an evasive movement or a shove forward. Look to set it up with a move that pushes the opponent back on block) wr1+2 / n4
space control moves for keep-out (safe on block at range, ideally hard to react to on whiff, hits mid or low, tracking nice but not required) db3, f4
Anti-low answer (hopkick, etc.) d3+4 / n3+4
12/13 frame punish, ideally into a knockdown (full combos unimportant) 2, 3
15 frame punish into a knockdown (full combos unimportant) 2, 3 / df2 I think it is (I didn't use it much tbh)
While standing punish into a knockdown (full combos unimportant) ws 1, 4
Tracking move to stuff sidesteps, ideally with long range f4
"panic" move - get out of bad situation move. (High-crushing, or sidestepping, or low-crushing, or very fast/a parry or sabaki, something that saves you from a bad situation now and then but shouldn't be relied upon) db1 (optional: 2 followup)
Armored move (Ideally one with significant range and not super long total duration) f1+2
"I just wanna press something" move - b+4, the knee of death

optional: A way to push the opponent back on block or hit. (so many of her moves do this)

With ideally some overlap with the above: Pick 2 jab string extensions (ideally with a variety of mid/low)
1, 2 / 1, 3 (or was it 4? the safe low extension)

pick 2 running moves (ideally one tracking move and one mid) wr1+2 (tracking), run up stop press df2

figure out what stances the character has and how to move between them if relevant/possible (no stances)

make note of any complicated ubiquitous tech (EWGF, wavedashing, cartwheeling back, etc.) to practice during downtime (cartwheel back with up into upback, practice df 1, 2 into db 1 to crush high punish attempts)

know any parry/sabaki options the character has (f2+3 punch sabaki, b2+3 kick sabaki, b+any throw high/mid parry, db1+2 low sabaki)

[real field]

what is this green icon? I can't find it in the move list's key

[cloud yoke]

This green icon indicates that hitting this move will stick the opponent to the wall if they are close to it.
Also it will break a wall if it is breakable (mind you some walls in tekken take 2 hits to break !)

[cloud yoke]

Generally it's all of her defensive options that she has could be considered a "privilege"
like the faster high power crush in the game
or the d3+4
or all of her parries (reversals and sabaki's)
you could also count all the high crushing moves that do not have "crouching" property

[real field]

thank you!!

I'm putting together a bunch of notes on anna and making a rudimentary playstyle with her

[cloud yoke]

Everybody has strong frametrap options but it all depends on character

• Risk reward ratio (sure kazuya has a killer homing 13f mid but he's -12 on it)
• How often can you route into that frametrap (sure steve has his b1 but he cannot use it in stances)
• What it frametraps (Dragunov has a lot of moves that have a strong pushback but are + enough for him to start running at you)

[cloud yoke]

It oughta be a tough road to be on, when I was originally chosing my character I went through criteria as:

• Basic friend bias (I already had insight on playing hwoarang due to my friend maining him)
• Offensive playstyle (how many buttons do you have to press/how many ways can you interact with your opponent)
• Defensive playstyle (how many options does the character give when in offense, like parries and punishes)
• Style (cool super spy, spetnaz operative, ect.)
• Fighting style (Dragunov fights like you owe him money, Viktor gets to use all of his gadgets in a fight)
• Funny things about characters (Victor uses a flashlight on you that blinds you on a counter hit, lidia throwing out gang signs katas during the match, hwoarang having a button called "disrespect" that just puts you in backturn)

that's why I don't like raven for example:

• don't have anybody to teach me that guy
• I hate backturn pressure
• I don't like gambling my life away with his parry
• He is cool but I don't really like his outfits or style
• it is just weird for me how he fights (shadow jutsu clones included
• aint no funny things about him

[cloud yoke]

DO NOT CHECK MY STEAM COMMENTS.

[real field]

I have made what is in hindsight an incredibly obvious decision

King

[cloud yoke]

No.

(go king !)

[wintry dagger]

https://youtu.be/YAmVUlzK3cY?si=Fm5aVrwY_mKggxD3

@stark salmon 29:40 Leroy realignment shenanigans strike at CEO

[stark salmon]

yeah the hworang player should not play fundamental tekken.

Run the Set btw !!!

[real field]

that is absolutely disgusting WHAT

[wintry dagger]

Leroy's new CH launcher from Hermit stance clips the opponent if they sidestep and attack

Absolute BS but ill take any advantage i can get as Leroy

That and my realigning machine gun punches are like the only non intended thing i have going for me

Thought about putting the pimp cane on that list but it's once a match

[plucky sky]

You guys heard Ogre isn't a one of god of war

And that every continent has their own Ogre

[solid stirrup]

Imagine every multi-island country breaking up into multiple nations to get that government mandated Ogre

[plucky sky]

They might be able to reintroduce an Ogre by having Reina awaken it

Also Hwoarang, Baek and Ganryu are all nicknames

[solid stirrup]

It'd be funny if Harada and the writing team got lazy and just made it so Heihachi adopted a bunch of Ogres as his kids

[plucky sky]

Also I'm loving these lore drops

[cloud yoke]

fckn' "every fist has its own tournament" type of shit

[real field]

I love how dumb tekken is, genuinely

[solid stirrup]

"Heihachi isn't a bad dad because he threw his son off a cliff to force him to prove his strength, he's a bad dad because he believed his son had the devil gene and was too afraid of tarnishing his family's legacy to treat Kazuya with the love and understanding his child needed"

"But also Heihachi wanted the devil gene later and accidentally turned himself into a Kuma, funniest shit I've ever written"

It's not a big gripe, just being a little shit about the retcon

[wintry dagger]

Heihachi is bad guy. But Heihachi is not bad guy

[solid stirrup]

He sucks for nuanced reasons now!

[real field]

he changed his mind!

[plucky sky]

Non canon

[solid stirrup]

Yeah, still funny though

[plucky sky]

Everything that happens in Tag Tournament 1 and 2 is in Ganryu's dreams

[plucky sky]

Also canonically, he's already killed Jinpachi before even throwing Kazuya off the cliff

He kills Jinpachi, Kazumi dies of a heartbreak or illness

Devil Kazumi is then killed by Heihachi

And Heihachi proceeds to throw Kazuya off the cliff

[stark salmon]

Heihachi prisoned Jinpachi beneath Honumaru Temple. After Hei/Kaz/Jin fight in 4, he reawakened.

Jin kills him good in 5 and takes over Mishima Zaibatsu

[plucky sky]

Yeah, Jinpachi died and got possessed by a vengeful spirit

[stark salmon]

do not remember that Jinpachi died but sealed and got possessed by Devil Gene.

where does it say that maybe I missed it

[plucky sky]

It's a vengeful spirit, the Mishima bloodline doesn't have the Devil Gene

[stark salmon]

Ok I found it. You are right. It was stated Wang's ending in Tk1 and tk2

[plucky sky]

It was confusion due to the form in Japanese being called "Devil Jinpachi"

[real field]

I thought kazumi dies of getting her neck snapped by heihachi in a super brutal way

[real field]

it's tough to translate because of how many words in english equate to 'demon/devil' that, especially in the 90s and early 00s, do not get handled with nuance when localizing

[plucky sky]

In order to activate your devil gene, you gotta die

[real field]

is that how that works???

[plucky sky]

Kazuya died getting thrown off the cliff, Jin got shot in the head and Reina took the full brunt of a Devil Laser

Or at least, you gotta be close to death

[real field]

that's true, Kazuya was a wuss and also like 9

what a loser, who dies from getting thrown off a cliff?

[real field]

...........wait that means Heihachi LITERALLY is the only reason Jin went devil that's fucking hilarious

Heihachi, certified worst father, son, grandfather, husband

BEST adoptive father though. it's the one familial role he can nail.

[plucky sky]

Adoptive?

He hates Lee

[real field]

Kuma, obviously

I forgot he adopted Lee tbh

[plucky sky]

Great pet owner

Raised 3 pets

Shit at naming them though

Kuma, Kuma II and Panda

[solid stirrup]

Weren't the Kangaroos and Velociraptor his too?

[wintry dagger]

This reminds me of one of those fan art comics I saw where Heihachi says to Kaz, Lee and Lars he hates them.

Then turns right around to Reina, Kuma and Xiaoyu and says he loves them.

[plucky sky]

Also I want more outfit swap outfits man

I'd love Heihachi in the Kazuya suit

[real field]

He taught kuma Mishima style karate he is a good father to that bear

[real field]

Where is the lie

In a way it makes some quantity of sense

If he made kids to prove the devil he isn't from him

And adopted Lee to fuck with Kazuya

[real field]

The funniest part about this is not even mentioning Lars

[real field]

Those genetic experiments were G Corp IIRC

[solid stirrup]

Ah

[stark salmon]

https://fxtwitter.com/landon_d_/status/1934708448983416962?s=46

@wintry dagger

Landon D (@Landon_D_)

Quoting Landon D (@Landon_D_)
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This sums up how season 2 has been going for me

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FxTwitter · Jun 16, 2025, 8:23 PM

[wintry dagger]

I knew what this was even before watching it

They definitely gotta fix that

And then follow the tradition by compensatory buffing Leroy in other ways because they nerfed him

[midnight musk]

truly the sf4 dj way, make a bug fix and call it a balance update

[wintry dagger]

This may very well be the most disrespectful thing I've done in Tekken 8.

So far....

[stark salmon]

https://streamable.com/0vwrsx

[wintry dagger]

Gotta save the demotion at all costs

[real field]

I was wrong, Welsh reminded me. They were Mishima zaibatsu under Kazuya, in Tekken 2, which is why I was mixed up

[reef geyser]

https://fixvx.com/thighhighenthus/status/1935398224455680400?t=EnwJv-aL-y072yhx0NuROg&s=19

Ada 💗 (@thighhighenthus)

This Leo has me crashing out

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vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 18, 2025, 6:04 PM

Why tf Leo jumping like a SF char?
LMAO

[wintry dagger]

There's legit a universal jump input in Tekkken. normal looking jumps are the universal ones. The flippy jumps are Leo specific

[reef geyser]

But he was doing it so much
And his specially looked so weird
LOL

[solid stirrup]

I view it like a Kim backwalking even though they're full screen

[cloud yoke]

Real (low/high/power)crushing hours

[wintry dagger]

Opened YouTube and this is the first thing that popped up for me

[reef geyser]

Nerf Leroy
Buff Lars

[cloud yoke]

🫡
Consider Devil Jin nerfed.

[wintry dagger]

Okay @stark salmon

[stark salmon]

fuck your NYC wing chun ass bastard

[wintry dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/leroy-smith-gif-27344498

[stark salmon]

https://youtu.be/uRaes3eaeD4?si=OEhW7fK0TfGZabsL

[wintry dagger]

Maybe I shouldn't have shown you The Boondocks lol

[stark salmon]

i knew the show before we met. I learned English through that show :d

[wintry dagger]

[stark salmon]

not jk. My first days in Canada was quite interesting and had to learn a lot of slurs' meaning

😄

[solid stirrup]

Very unfortunate lol

[wintry dagger]

I've been playing Mighty Ruler sub character ranked the last hour

11 out of 12 matches have been one and dones

[solid stirrup]

Were one and dones common back in the day when you could run ranked infinitely?

[rigid mortar]

only when you won

[solid stirrup]

The more things change, the more they stay the same lol

[real field]

Does the toxicity increase the higher rank gets or something lmfao

[wintry dagger]

Not so much Toxicity, higher the rank the less character diversity you'll find.

I took my Jin through Mighty Ruler to Fujin in 12 games earlier this morning and fought like 8 different characters.

Took Leroy through Fujin to halfway through Raijin right after and fought like 3 different characters

And these 9 out of 12 times, as soon they lost the first game they don't accept the 2nd one

Tbf I one and doned a wifi Asuka and a 160 ping Drag

I was an official Jin main for like 20 minutes

[stark salmon]

Nooooooo. It is a shit show no no no

Tell that to people in TEs and higher after that

[wintry dagger]

Oh most definitely it is. Surprised I didn't run into more Alisa, Anna and Clive

[cloud yoke]

Peaks at fujin.

[real field]

I wonder if Tekken is why I got hate-comments on my steam profile before

someone went "you play like a cheap scrub fuck you" etc. etc. and I was like "Which game do you play bro" LMAO

[cloud yoke]

Yes.
End of story.

[plucky sky]

No ssl3?

[obtuse nexus]

Just wanted the blender

Usually do cd 1+2 after ff3 though

[stark salmon]

if you want to mix the opponent do f 3(3) then cd for ender

[stark salmon]

Ahhhhh. The classic

[wintry dagger]

@stark salmon ill trade Leroy's BS realignment for his T7 realignment

https://x.com/DustyEel/status/1936846080877961706?t=10TmlGRN8h7QhofbRLWf_g&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/DustyEel/status/1936846080877961706

Dustiel (@DustyEel)

I'm not saying it's scientific, but.....

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FxTwitter · Jun 22, 2025, 5:57 PM

[stark salmon]

pull up for 7

[wintry dagger]

Gotta practice my Fahk combos so wynaut

[solid stirrup]

Random thought, but the new character at the end of the season should be a lefty Mishima, so all of the wave dash move inputs are swapped

Simply because I find mild humor in the concept

[obtuse nexus]

Oh yea I forgot Jin had that tech too

Preciate it

[wintry dagger]

May as well add Guile charge inputs while we're at it

[solid stirrup]

Doesn't Shaheen already have that?

[wintry dagger]

I have no idea

He's got back forward inputs like Jin and DVJ but those aren't charged

Think Scorpion's spear input

[solid stirrup]

I thought he had a flashkick style move

Like hold down and then hit button and up

[wintry dagger]

I'll go through his move list in a few.

That bored right now lol

[plucky sky]

He does

His guard crush is charge down, the up 2

[wintry dagger]

TIL

So instead of charge inputs we adding 720 inputs

[solid stirrup]

Jack's wind up punch

[wintry dagger]

For grabs

[solid stirrup]

Ah

Yes

[real field]

two weeeeeeeeeeks I'm SO HYPE

[solid stirrup]

Two weeks until the guard break man shows up?

[real field]

two weeks until I go all ong bak on some motherfuckers 😈

[solid stirrup]

ong bak motherfuckers as a Fahk'er

[stark salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/sagat-street-fighter-laughing-alpha-muhaha-gif-22693260

[wintry dagger]

I'm gonna play Fakh just to guard break the Fahk out of people

[cloud yoke]

27 years

[rigid mortar]

20 of those years spent in the worst prison to get that look

[unborn socket]

I just remembered if I want to play Tekken more and climb a little bit more I should probably do that before a new DLC character comes out with some wack shit

[solid stirrup]

Yeah probably

[wintry dagger]

July 7th is when that happens again

[wintry dagger]

Got outplayed on round start

[cloud yoke]

Close enough.
Welcome back Drag's b4,3 !

[wintry dagger]

Only thing missing is hitting grounded after a 1+2 throw

[cloud yoke]

You know, people were suprised by the 180 degree turn on season 2.
I wasn't suprised because the mf who balanced release dragunov was there.
And that guy was POURING the gasoline

[wintry dagger]

The people that released launch Leroy and Fahk in T7 balanced Tekken 8 since day 1 up until Harada threw them all off cliffs after S2

[cloud yoke]

Nah I ain't trusting in cliffs since that one grandpa got fucking manifested out of taking a hot bath by a group of flying monks who cultivated feng shui in the mountains and just so happen to be there

[stark salmon]

thats been there since 4. -12

[wintry dagger]

The 2nd hit has tracked if the first hit whiffs for 24 years?

[stark salmon]

unfortunately

[wintry dagger]

Harada's vision

[stark salmon]

i rather have his vision than Murray's Vision. Steve was hard to play

[wintry dagger]

I used to respect Steve players ngl. But now I can't stand them

Round start OVA HERE!!!

[real field]

Yeah that shit is gonzo

Dumb question

What is guard break specifically

Is it "I'm guaranteed to hit you with a followup because you blocked this move you idiot"?

Is it "your block is disabled but you can attack" ?

[stark salmon]

charged moves that gives you guaranteed moves.

[cloud yoke]

After a blocked guardbreak the opponent cannot block for a set amount of time

That time being your frame advantage

[real field]

So it's not guard crush?

Like strive

So it's basically you're punishing the opponent for not dodging or mashing the move by getting a combo

And the starter for that combo is determined by your plus frames?

[cloud yoke]

No, it is not like strive, considering that both are different fighting games, same as battlefield is to titanfall and title "guard crush" is just a infranchise tekken nickname
Guard crushes commonly are a reaction check against your opponent who is focused on blocking.
What you can hit confirm from a guard crush is determined by your plus frames, yes.

In contrast to other reaction checks:

• like unblockable attacks, they are more "realistic" (faster) in their startup
• like slow and plus on block moves, they actually "push" the game foward (by actually dealing damage, and not setting that damage up)
• like other gimmicky reaction checks ( Yoshimitsu, Bryan), a lot of them can be done from neutral, where you have to react to the charge move, rather than situation leading to it (be it Bryan waving his hands for taunt, or Yoshimitsu entering crouch/backturn)

ofcourse all guard crushes differ from eachother and do different things so it's more of a case by case basis

[real field]

Gotcha!

So the role they fill is similar to like a snake edge

They force the opponent to actively defend or die

[cloud yoke]

Mostly, yeah
The most negative things about guard breaks in Tekken is their highly disproportionate risk reward ratio as most of them don't guarantee high damage in contrast to counterplay (getting launched)

For snake edges the reward is close to 1:1
You launch somebody
Or
You get blocked and be launched.
Most guard breaks do not have such reward and generally rely on other moves in the character list to find use.
Of course there are cases where they walsplat.
And there's Bryan. Fuck that character

[cloud yoke]

Someone had to lab that shit

[real field]

That's insanely cool holy shit

[real field]

oh my god it's a taunt

they used a taunt to hop the low

[stark salmon]

some characters like Xiaoyu and Alisa do have a jump taunt that evades low attacks. Dawood, a PAK Alisa player, did something similar to knee in 7

[real field]

that's so fucking funny

[stark salmon]

but it is cool. Glad Murray forgot to remove that at least.

I'm missing my Ki Charge Setups .........

[real field]

@cloud yoke I'm throwing in the towel

[cloud yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-wake-up-wakey-wakey-awaken-gif-26734899

huh

[real field]

learning hwoarang is too much for me, I'm accepting that

next character I'm looking at is either gonna be ling, jun, lidia, reina or heihachi

indecision is killing me

and I'm not gonna lie to you 95% of why I wanna learn lidia is because even if I lose I'm gonna cackle every time I hear your voice in my head going "QUICK, THROW GANG SIGNS!"

[cloud yoke]

It's her third hood expansion: Groove street install

[cloud yoke]

I can help you with Lidia,
Nobody here plays Ling
Zyx "plays" Jun
Welsh plays Heihachi and probably can help you with all mishima characters

[plucky sky]

I used Lee's taunt (the fake flip) to jump over one of Rogues lows when I played against him

It's TECHNICALLY supposed to be used for mixups and stuff as you recover crouching allowing instant slide/wr2,3 mixups on respectful opponents but it also low crushes with a surprisingly quick recovery (not practical though)

[wintry dagger]

@real field

ask @stark salmon for Jun 101
@woeful zealot too

Press FF2 with Lidia AND Reina then say "GGs shake my hand" to your opponent /s

A long time ago in Tekken 7 @zinc cobalt played Xiaoyu (don't expect Soul to remember Xiao. Just wanted an excuse to ping and say Hi. )

Like rouge said, Welsh can help with Heihachi.

I play Jun and Heihachi as secondaries if no one else is around to answer any questions. My answers may not be optimal though.

[woeful zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-turning-head-confused-cat-rizalalthur-orange-cat-behavior-gif-10491959385063137392

All I did on jun was f3~2/4 and b1+2 and ss4,1 ss4...

Oh and b4 on defense

[wintry dagger]

It's always good to get different opinions on mains.

For example it took me spectating a Green Leroy to realize ss qcf2 is kinda cracked

[real field]

I love learning more about characters but I also worry about wasting people's time asking for help when I'm not positive I'll play them and no matter how many times I get told "it's nbd" I still hesitate LMAO

I'm like 99% this is the game I'm locking in long term for as long as I can keep finding matches

I love tekken so much holy shit

[wintry dagger]

Imo its worth putting x amount of time into characters just for the match up knowledge.

I'd At least do the common punishment training for any character giving you trouble

[real field]

that's fair, and good advice! I just more mean like, I hate asking for a bunch of info if I don't then go on to use it all actively y'know

[real field]

damn

[cloud yoke]

You gotta hustle
And by hustle I mean hustle the shit out of your buttons

[real field]

alright I'm learning lidia today fuck it

[solid stirrup]

Why are we learning about this 3 years later?

Also they misspelled a number of the chemicals (which I get cause a lot of it looks basically like nonsense)

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/TEKKEN/status/1940503877595328865?t=0yj4vv1jCP_kiOucGAsvIw&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/TEKKEN/status/1940503877595328865

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FxTwitter · Jul 2, 2025, 8:12 PM

[wintry dagger]

Someone was salty enough

[solid stirrup]

Fun

[wintry dagger]

That monk is to blame for S2 /s

[real field]

@plucky sky I'm gonna try heihachi again. I've made up my mind. He's just so god damned cool. I can't keep denying myself heihachi because execution is hard. I can just run drills.

if I can't get him at all down by fahk release I'll put off trying again until I'm better... again.

[wintry dagger]

What exactly do you mean by "can't get him at all down"

What are you trying to learn first with Hei?

[real field]

the last time I attempted to learn heihachi I essentially chased my tail like a dog and ended up retaining nothing. that was shortly after he released and I don't remember too well, but I remember bouncing off really hard

something something a lot of strings to remember, something something couldn't keep straight how to play neutral on him, something something "what am I even doing again?" watch a video talking about the character, write down notes, forget to save said notes, lose the notes, sleep, forget the video, try to play the character again the next day and everything evaporated

that's my memory of things

(I was very ill at the time which didn't help)

but heihachi looks cool as shit and is incredibly cool as a character so like, I have to try again, I just can't pass it up

I spent time on lidia today and what struck me most about her is there's nothing she does that I got a huge shot of joy from performing, even her sabakis I didn't get the kind of shot to the heart of adrenaline that I get from landing that giant spin kick asuka has or where she grabs your face and slams you into the floor, or feng's shoulder check, or xiaoyu's throws out of the hop/sidestepping with her/the counter kick that sounds like a gunshot and crumples people on counter hit, or King's... damn near everything tbh LMAO, or reina's stomp -> punch you in the face, or that jumping spin kick combo she does that I'm 99% is a heihachi move before her

Heihachi has some shit that's insanely rad that I have no idea what it even is, I'm gonna be looking at him a lot more in a bit (I'm eating atm) and I'll have more developed questions soon

I like characters that hit you and the hit feels like I smacked a truck into you and Heihachi does that

Lidia it feels like the only times you get that are from HAE but actually landing those moves doesn't feel very satisfying because you're putting your opponent into a position their literal only choice is to guess if the answer is to stand block or crouch block And That's It and I don't think that's actually that fun at the end of the day

[real field]

STILL dying laughing about that

[real field]

Oh this character like

Doesn't exist if you don't know electric inputs consistent

[plucky sky]

First thing first

Practice those electrics

No need to use it as a punish or anything difficult

Just gotta get it down as a poke/whiff punish

Otherwise neutral is gonna be hell

[real field]

Timing universal between Mishimas?

If I'm practicing it on heihachi it's also Reina practice too yeah?

[plucky sky]

Input and timing is indentical

[real field]

Forward neutral down down forward+2?

[plucky sky]

Yeah or

➕

[real field]

Oh you can skip the down input!

Am I right that the rule for timing is

No electricity = 2 was too late
Different attack = 2 was too early?

[solid stirrup]

I thought perfect electrics were a Kazuya/Reina in that one stance exclusive?

[plucky sky]

It’s universal now

[solid stirrup]

Nice! I looked it up but didn't see anything about it being for more than Kaz and reina, but that was early T8 and I guess people just don't talk about it?

[plucky sky]

It was in either the season 2 patch or the patch before

They can only do electric like that though and not WGF/any of the other wavedash moves

[solid stirrup]

Ah, good to know!

And also explains why I didn't see it earlier lol

[wintry dagger]

I just pulled off a Lili triple perfect in Ranked on a promo match

https://youtu.be/3OOfR_BIrWM?si=iqTqcfkpe0JGMapG

Bruh

[plucky sky]

I gotta say, the power up giving him tools he had in 7 like his rage drive is pretty cool

Also big fan of his unblockables being a 50/50 rather than giving follow ups and combos

He also seems really weak to ssl

His poking seems a lot worse than 7 too

His sub 13 frame punishes seem sorta bad too

14 looks fine though with uf3

ws punishers look really good on the other hand

I’ll have to see him in proper matches, but they seem to have definitely tried to give him downsides imo

[real field]

I like that conceptually a lot because it's not ONLY from heat

[cloud yoke]

Beautiful

Sercheese Mousenov

[wintry dagger]

These Clive players are smoking the good stuff

[reef geyser]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I mean, if it was Lars, I'd understand
He sucks real bad now
But Clive?

No way

[plucky sky]

Chat, does she know

Like Lars is a contender for top 5

[reef geyser]

Noooooooo
He sucks
They nerfed him to death

[plucky sky]

They nerfed df1 to a reasonable level

[wintry dagger]

Never should have gave him extensions to begin with

Also, 6201 points on a ranked win is absolutely insane

[cloud yoke]

@plucky sky@wintry dagger
"Made the perfect low parry read"

[plucky sky]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-homelander-the-boys-homelander-sad-homelander-its-peak-homelander-peak-gif-14542009839452529163

[unborn socket]

You can’t even step to the left on this?

Also

Fellas

I’m beginning to think I’m not mid at this game

I always take decently long breaks from the game and come back doing more than what I left with

Today was wavedashing faster and more consistently while also hitting wave dash electrics

Very strange

Previously of which I wasn’t able to do before

Last I played was after season 2 got its second balance patch and I got my red rank back from reset and dipped again

Just got on today because I was in a Tekken mood

Feeling more and more like a Mishima player every time

Soon I’ll be a ranked Kazuya 🗿

[plucky sky]

Pretty sure you can

[wintry dagger]

Lili can step it both ways if she's-1 but round start ss she gets clipped by the 2nd hit because of bs tracking after the first hit whiffs

[real field]

They have nerfed or will nerf every single character

That's what it means to go "the power level is too high we will fix it in balance patches"

It means everyone gets nerfed. Everyone includes you also.

[real field]

Revel in your growth and victory, you have earned it!

[real field]

I'm so STOKED

I'm putting this down right here and now: I'm playing this character no matter how good he is or how bad he is unless it physically is strenuous on me to play him

.... Unless I just absolutely hate how he feels in the hands but he's looking like he'll feel good

He ticks most of the boxes I love

[plucky sky]

Have you played 7 at all?

[wintry dagger]

Fahk has Leroy levels of T7 PTSD for so many people...

[cloud yoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mDUPjhWSBs

Lot's a words to say that you get filtered by a fucking high-high-high-mid looping string

[reef geyser]

Yk I was joking, right?
LMAO

I'm just downplaying

[real field]

mb lmao

[real field]

that came from a place of "I have ACTUALLY had that conversation with someone who WAS serious multiple times and forgot sometimes people ARE joking" LMFAO

[woeful zealot]

tekken is pressure slop

[cloud yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[reef geyser]

LMFAO
That's fine man, I know I'm playing a top tier
And his nerfs were a slap in the wrist

[cloud yoke]

God forbid you have to take a mixup

[woeful zealot]

"its hard to hitconfirm nago 5h"

[wintry dagger]

Casino 8

[silent mica]

https://fxtwitter.com/gelatinato_/status/1941191861001167268

group leader lato (@gelatinato_)

kazuya is genuinely the least skillful character in the game and it's not close

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FxTwitter · Jul 4, 2025, 5:46 PM

tekken or smash call it

[wintry dagger]

Idk anything about smash gameplay but... Tekken

[woeful zealot]

low key

spitting

[wintry dagger]

Something tells me this dude got 50/50 hellsweept and ate some good old classic Mishima Steel Pedals and Ff3's

[wintry dagger]

Any specific pressure getting to you?

[silent mica]

It's actually smash

best FG character in the game by a country mile, extremely privleged.

[wintry dagger]

Ngl I've had my Switch for years but never bothered to try Smash.

[solid stirrup]

I hit my little brother with Kaz's 10 hit one time just pressing buttons with him, all you gotta do is mash it lol

That and half assed wave dashes

[woeful zealot]

its ragebait

[plucky sky]

The thing with 8 is they heavily nerfed backdashes and buffed sidesteps, because players like PhiDX would go to tourneys, select infinite stages, get a health lead and KBD the rest of the round

[cloud yoke]

Good.

[winged karma]

you mean arslan ash and the whole region of pakistan when kuni and zafina ran rampent, dont throw Phi under the bus only cuz he played noctis, also an inexcusable offense

[winged karma]

evo 2022/23 had more timeouts than any tekken bracket ive seen with how strong backdash lifelead was

no one would approach

no one wopuld fight and if they did they risk getting KBD DF2

[real field]

perfect game tho right???

arslan said it was great therefore it was the best, there can be no nuance

[real field]

I'm super hype about this change btw sidestepping feels fucking amazing I pop off every time I sidestep something

it's why I still am refusing to give up on getting good at ling someday

2+ step dodges on strings into punishes are crack in my veins

low level tekken is peak btw love introducing new players to it

[plucky sky]

Oh yeah, I'm aware of Kuni and shit, but it's just PhiDX had one really famous set with Noctis where he chose Artic Snowfall

https://youtu.be/_uWFe_F7rsA?t=104

This one in specific

[real field]

Jesus

[wintry dagger]

Give Lili a shot if you like sidestepping attacks. She's got the best SS in Tekken and also has a Cat

[winged karma]

meow

her cat cute

[solid stirrup]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1lst7ob/bonk/

[zinc condor]

https://vxreddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1lst7ob/bonk/

[real field]

I like the two extremes of xiaoyu and king

Sidestepping and backdashing on king feels great to pull off because it's challenging and stance shift evasion on xiaoyu feels great because it has to be extremely deliberate!

[real field]

Hey @wintry dagger I introduced some friends to Tekken and was playing characters I have no knowledge of so I don't stomp them but now I'm curious

How do Leroy's various parries work? I noticed at least one seems to heal him?

[wintry dagger]

Leroy has a total of... 10 parries. Every parry restores some recoverable health for each hit that gets parried. And he'll automatically parry the entire string if it's B2 or UF1

B2 and Uf1 both are strong parries. Which means they'll catch Mid/High punches kicks and elbows and knees. Especially effective against Bryan and Reina

UB2 has a punch parry effect and on CH or successful parry leads to guaranteed Steel pedal or Uf3+4, 1+2. Same parry with same follow up also ends his DF1, 1+2, 2 string

2,1,2,1 also has a strong parry in between the 2nd and 3rd hit.

DB1+2 catch high/mid punches and kicks and is a heat engager on hit.

QCF 3+4 is a walking stance that has a strong parry. Also has an unblockable attack by holding forward

Hermit 1 has a normal parry built into it and in S2 he got a new hermit 1,2 which is a CH launcher

Hermit stance in general has a strong Low parry stance built into it. It'll catch almost any low attack except Yoshi's unblockable sweep. You get a free Hermit 1+2 or Hermit 3, 1+2 after

Forgot about 1,2,1 there's a parry window between the 2nd and 3rd hit

You can also use B2 and Uf1 while in hermit stance too

He also has a Perfect Parry animation like SF6. Frame perfect. You'll know when you get it. 45 damage and gives a guarantee Steel Pedal after a quick dash forward

I clipped a few parries in action for visualization

Leroy recoverable health after B2 parry and punish

Parry window using 2,1,2 string

Perfect parry example

Hermit 1 parry example. This is a free mixup for Leroy when successful. Bot was just slow

Hermit auto low parry examples

Leroy and Anna are the only two characters that can low parry Jun/Asuka Can Can

[real field]

🤯

TEN

I THOUGHT HE HAD LIKE. FOUR?????

TEN PARRIES??????

I'm trying again to learn this fucking character later this shit looks so dope

I'd start right now but fahk is in less than 24 hours I think

[wintry dagger]

Let me rephrase this lol.

He has around 10 strings/moves that have built in parry animations

[real field]

And he'll automatically parry the entire string if it's B2 or UF1

wait does that mean if it's like a high high low string or something, parrying the first high means the low won't affect you?

[wintry dagger]

Only applies to Mid/high or vice versa strings. He'll still parry the first 2 high hits, but He'll get clipped by the low unless you interrupt with 1 or 2 after a parry

https://www.youtube.com/live/qEjAe0CHRf0?si=OMMxoGgaMgHISZ-F

The Fahking stream/Fahking Tekken Talk starts in like 10 minutes if anyone's up

[real field]

HYYYYYYYYYYYYPE

[stark salmon]

for further disappointment

[real field]

I am going to kick people in the face with a cool muay thai man and I think the stage looks cool as hell, all else is icing on the cake

[wintry dagger]

One step closer to AK

[real field]

I love tekken so much

[wintry dagger]

@stark salmon bets on how much Fahk glazing will Murray do?

[wintry dagger]

You can punish a rage art on block with your own rage art now

Also possible King damage nerf

[stark salmon]

and marduk

[stark salmon]

8 or tk franchise

[wintry dagger]

Legit wanna play Marduk ngl

[real field]

yes

[real field]

FINALLY

[wintry dagger]

Smart answer

[stark salmon]

im grinding injustice f this lol

[wintry dagger]

You will 100% not guess my Injustice 2 mains based of my Tekken mains lol

[wintry dagger]

2.04 and these outfits drop in August

[plucky sky]

No fighting game character has been closer to a Gorilla escaping the zoo and slamming people around than Marduk

And it's peak

THEY GAVE HEIHACHI AN AHOGE

[wintry dagger]

What about Gorilla Grodd lol?? A literal Gorilla that makes you punch yourself. And can also toss you around like a football

[plucky sky]

I dunno, I think Marduk might be a bit closer

[real field]

marduk is on the list of characters I'd be hype to see announced

[wintry dagger]

Oh you poor innocent child

[plucky sky]

Your hype until he goes

on you

[real field]

eliza
armor king
fahkumram
marduk
kunimitsu
bruce
miguel
that old guy who died of old age in tekken 4 I think it was and was similar to xiaoyu

[plucky sky]

Wang

[plucky sky]

Like 2 of those picks are

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-gif-17838646818300389894

[wintry dagger]

Get your cameras ready folks! This hype isn't gonna last long

[plucky sky]

Marduk though

He's really fun to play

Fight against?

Not so much

[real field]

I know like nothing I am fueled by enthusiasm and liking things that look cool

marduk big man jump on you punch punch that's neat

I like vampires = eliza

I love miguel ever since I saw that fucking real life tekken moveset video of him

kunimitsu is a ninja and I think ninjas are cool, and don't like how raven or yoshimitsu play, so I'm down to try a ninja that doesn't play like them

bruce is apparently muay thai I'm told? IDK who he is but he got on the list because muay thai cool

wang because More Xiaoyu is rad

[plucky sky]

Kunimitsu is a clone character

[real field]

like carl in blazblue??

[plucky sky]

She's heavily based off Yoshimitsu

[real field]

oh like that

[wintry dagger]

Kunimitsu can stay in T7

Xiaoyu inherited some of Wang's moves and Leroy replaced him as the old man archetype.

They won't bring Eliza back anytime soon after T7 2D criticism

Miguel is probably S3

Bruce is never coming back. Been replaced by Fahk and Josie

[real field]

that's crazy I never knew

[plucky sky]

Yeah, she's like Anna, Armor King, Lee and such

[real field]

T7 2d criticism?

[plucky sky]

Where they're characters that are heavily based off another and basically used to pad the roster of the first game

[real field]

I was told someone asked Harada for Eliza and he said "She is very popular with women." and that quote stuck with me LMAO

[plucky sky]

They've since become pretty unique but still contain a lot of that original DNA

[plucky sky]

They said they'd add it if they could figure out how to better blend 2D and 3D iirc

[wintry dagger]

Miguel is popular with women gamers iirc. He won multiple online voting polls or something similar

[plucky sky]

But yeah, if you look at Kuni gameplay, you might notice her doing a bunch of Yoshimitsu moves

[wintry dagger]

Geese and Akuma brought KOF and SF5 mechanics into T7 and were S tier characters but required cracked execution.

Eliza is an original Tekken character (im still convinced she was supposed to be Morrigan) but even she still had a meter

Hell, Akuma was drive rush canceling normals in T7 well before SF6

[plucky sky]

No he was FADC'ing specials

[real field]

OH like, she's damned by association because people were salt about geese and akuma and she's designed similarly to them?

is it purely that she has the gauge that irritated people? because like I know she had a divekick but it doesn't seem that different from what I see devil jin players fling at round start, get stepped and plug after 😎

thank you for all this info btw I hope I don't come across as telling you guys you're wrong because I don't think that I'm just ignorant on this, aware of that and happy to change it

I've never played a fighting game that I jived with so much of the cast before

[plucky sky]

It's more so association with the other 2D ones

[real field]

another sin on the mountain of akuma's sins: eliza catching strays because of him 😔

[real field]

that's actually really interesting, I never knew! Is she stance heavy like him too? my lack of interest in yoshi is that I don't much like his visual design and I played the hell out of him in soul calibur 3 WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY back and he feels different but I lack the words to explain how and why

[solid stirrup]

I mean, from what I saw Devil Jin wasn't all that "fly around with bullshit" in T7

[plucky sky]

Bruce imo though is probably one of the least likely though

Bryan, Josie, Fahk and others have replaced him

[real field]

that makes sense, I'm told he's not super popular, I just like muay thai and like, hey, we have a ton of mishimas, we can get another muay thai character too right

(logic that I am sure is not at all real but shh)

[solid stirrup]

He should come back with Josie's moveset (aka his moveset) and Josie comes back with an escrima moveset because she's Phillippina and Harada promised kickboxing with escrima yet she was just Bruce but hot

[plucky sky]

He's American Kickboxing with Muay Thai elements

[solid stirrup]

There can only be 5,000 Goku's, only one Tien

[real field]

YO THAT WOULD BE SICK

[plucky sky]

Or well

Other way around

Bryan uses a lot of his moveset

[wintry dagger]

Streets just need Bruce back in Tekken

[plucky sky]

That's why he uses so many elbow strikes and shin kicks

[solid stirrup]

Harada hates "B" names, so he had Brian eat Bruce and retired Baek into Hwaorang

[plucky sky]

Bryan's gatling combo actually was called Bruce Special until like

Tekken 5

[wintry dagger]

And left Bob on the sidelines in T8 and Bosconovich as an NPC

[plucky sky]

Hey Snake, they're really fucking SSL Fahk in this showcase huh

[wintry dagger]

I'm gonna go watch that little dev match again in the morning but Murray kept stressing he's steppable.

Murray said the same about Lidia and look at her

[plucky sky]

That she's extremely steppable?

[woeful zealot]

step into the +3 ob homing

[wintry dagger]

In a pre release Lidia video Murray kept saying "She's plus 6 after a ff2 on block but it's very steppable."

Good luck stepping Lidia FF2 online consistently

[plucky sky]

If they can realign, yeah it's a pain

But most online Lidia's do not realign

[plucky sky]

That's a high mate

She's there with Heihachi as some of the easiest characters to step

[wintry dagger]

2.03 drops at 6pm east coast time tomorrow

[wintry dagger]

What +3 ob homing?

[woeful zealot]

helm splitter

goes into horse

[wintry dagger]

That's +5 lol

I was thinking B4

[woeful zealot]

oh lmao i thought it was +3

[wintry dagger]

Maybe it was plus 3 in S1 lol

[solid stirrup]

Silly goose, that one is better than you thought!

[plucky sky]

It's functionally -1

[midnight musk]

Do you mean hibiki?

[real field]

Nah I thought they meant like a puppet character like she summoned a clone that she puppets around or some shit

[real field]

Literally counting the hours

I'm so fucking ready

[midnight musk]

interesting

[real field]

You'll note the confusion in my original post

[real field]

Idk about t7 didn't really play it but the dj I fight in red ranks/purple ranks/Fujin all full send it with linear flying divekicks and similar moves round start every damn time

If ever a devil Jin back steps on the first round start I get nervous. Usually they still do it round 2 though.

I have never had a DJ punish me for sidestepping round start. I've had exactly one Mishima player ever do something to beat it, a Jin who used a high homing kick, then I used a high crush next round start and he never did it again

If Mishima players actually did non linear aggressive round starts or played patient consistently I'd probably lose five times as often to them

By refusing to exercise restraint I get a free lead most of the time and when I win it comes off that

I got SO GOOD at stepping DJ because I had something like ten matches in a row against DJ where they all made damn sure I knew how steppable he is and how much you can stomp his dick for doing if you side step

Most of his moves that they go for you can sidestep, reach up, wipe your forehead, grab a drink, then confirm you stepped an attack, think about what move to hit them with and choose something REALLY committal big and slow and slap their shit with it

Granted

1: I was playing Asuka

And

2: I was parrying like a motherfucker after a certain point

So maybe they were just pissed and trying to beat the parry by going to the sky?

@wintry dagger if you're around today before fahk and I'm also around I'd love if you could show me in person your Leroy and whoop my ass I have such mad respect for parries and sabakis and would consider getting beaten down an honor

I think we've fought before but I can't recall what it was like and forgot to record it

[wintry dagger]

I took today off from work (97 degrees today and no office AC) so I'll be free after im done doing laundry. Maybe an hour or two from now?

[real field]

Hell yeah

I'm getting blood drawn for fasting labs and not sure when I'm heading out to get it done so I'll let you know when I get back? Probably 3 hours or so I suspect

I don't wanna play Tekken hungry that's asking to get grouchy LMAO

[real field]

Later start than I expected, probably around 1pm eastern

[wintry dagger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/s/olNqPqxODG

[zinc condor]

https://vxreddit.com/r/Tekken/s/olNqPqxODG

[wintry dagger]

Bruh I can't get over rhe fact there's a damn essay written about this...

[stark salmon]

https://prnt.sc/ZyFp5q3oWNCc

[wintry dagger]

That guy who wrote the essay is

[real field]

TRUE

[wintry dagger]

Calling patch notes now

What I expect, Clive, Alisa, Anna kneecapped. King heat smash nerf. Asuka less unga

The actual patch notes,
Clive and Alisa untouched, Anna now -14 instead of -13 on some strings. The traditional random ass DVJ and Leroy nerf

[real field]

I suspect hwoarang nerf

[wintry dagger]

@real field Patch notes are up

Asuka charged RA is now-13 on block

[wintry dagger]

Hwo untouched

https://www.tekken-official.jp/tekken_news/?p=1500

TLDR

Anna, Asuka, Bryan, Clive, Alisa (kinda) Paul and Zafina nerfed

Devil Jim buffed

Everyone else either got lower hitboxes on moves or bug fixes

Rage arts are now -18 on block (were -15)

[reef geyser]

Alisa untouched again is the funniest shit ever

I'm gonna be playing her for sure

[wintry dagger]

She ate one small nerf

Her new S2 mid chainsaws are now +4

[reef geyser]

Alisa getting away with murder

I am a bad person
Gonna be playing Lars and Alisa

LMFAOOOOOOOO

[wintry dagger]

You're gonna get Fahked up lol

Updates live on PS5

[reef geyser]

LOL

Will play tomorrow

[wintry dagger]

I'll be on like this time tomorrow. Sadly gotta go to work

[reef geyser]

Cool!

[winged karma]

w patch

[winged karma]

no longer can she do around the world and continue pressure

with it being +7 you cant step

now +4 you can step her next move reliably

[plucky sky]

Stop stroking and start labbing

Also DJ being able to use ws3 by inputting CD3+4 is really cool

More balance changes after EVO

[stark salmon]

iws3 tech is now useless unfortunately. It was a cool tech but again for the new generation .....

lets see if its usefull in combos

[wintry dagger]

The in game announcer saying Fahk's name is hysterical

[wintry dagger]

Minor balance changes. That won't impact balance

But if the devs think giving DVJ a 14 frame wr launcher is minor and won't impact balance than anything is possible

[cloud yoke]

God himself has woke me up in the middle of the night to show me Bryan nerfs

And hwoarang buffs

Beautiful

[real field]

Can't believe they targeted me specifically with a nerf smh

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/JustApplay/status/1942361401349067108?t=jPxikKPP5HTkftyE2ALXtw&s=19

Visual guide of some of the nerfs

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/JustApplay/status/1942361401349067108

Mixbox | Applay (@JustApplay)

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[real field]

Did they announce that? I thought they'd said four patches then a break before

[wintry dagger]

Yep

[real field]

God damn

Love this game

[wintry dagger]

They had buffs initially scheduled into this patch for some characters. Then decided only Devil Jin gets buffs

"buffs that would have minimal impact on the overall balance"

[wintry dagger]

This is the move that got nerfed

And yes Uncle Ruckus parried chainsaws

There was also no rematch

[real field]

you are selling me,

[real field]

does that parry affect the frame data? like are you more plus than simply blocking would be off that parry, or is it purely for style and chip-avoidance?

[real field]

I spent like four hours playing fahk last night

The hour 1 fahk experience is nobody presses, ever, on anything

Unclear how useful rama stance will be when that phase ends but for now it's so fucking fun and cool

The ability to frame trap is on a level I've literally never seen before though like

The people who DO press fucking DIE to auto timed frame traps done with the incredibly tough input of 3,4

Or if you're feeling snazzy

4,3

Unironically feel like howarang practice prepared me for this day

This man's legs are legendary

[plucky sky]

From what I've seen

Fahk might have some of the best long range punishes in the game

His 13 and below seem ass

But 14 and above seem to have great range

He's also apparently very vulnerable to jab checks

[solid stirrup]

From I am OP's video he really seems like a "don't finish the string" matchup

[solid stirrup]

Or more accurately a moves that are usually safer with spacing aren't

[rigid mortar]

verdict is out, streamers are never wrong

[rigid mortar]

@cloud yoke Let's talk.

[cloud yoke]

Balanced, great !

[cloud yoke]

Nah I'm running the division 2 master missions

[rigid mortar]

im sorry

[wintry dagger]

I 13-0 ed a Xiaoyu in quick match. This was how the final match ended

My reaction was loud enough I woke my cat up who was on the other end of the couch

[cloud yoke]

Well I watched it and I've seen better ragebaits
(excluding season 2 adddons to the mf, hate them)

[solid stirrup]

"Rah-AH"
-Fahk

[real field]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[real field]

It was crazy seeing this and even I know enough hwoarang to notice holes in what he was saying

[real field]

I feel like every time someone respects me I do really hilariously well and every time they refuse to fear me I have a tougher time

I refuse to comment on how good I think this character is until I fight someone who blocks sometimes, neither always nor never

He has an insane frame trap game and I fucking love making people guess for their life in rama stance

I think he's insanely fun

[wintry dagger]

Also very vulnerable to Leroy's B1+2

[real field]

I have watched basically nothing and it's funny because I think I play fahk badly but very different from the ones I'm fighting online

I need to lock in and actually learn combos

I LOVE how this character feels to pilot

I mention that because Leroy b1+2 IIRC is a mid high strong parry right? I suspect that would not be what kills me with how I've been playing LMAO

[real field]

His cracked AF backdash makes playing for whiff punishing turbo strong if people let you

Backdash into f1+2 is wacky

[winged karma]

Thoughts on the "is it fixed yet" patch?

Out of 10

7 almost there

Let characters have crazy shit it's what this game was ment to be

[wintry dagger]

Leroy B1+2 is a 12 frame mid CH launcher

[plucky sky]

Solid 6-7/10

Some characters need more tuning

Combo length needs a bit of a shortening

And heat regaining mechanics should either be universal or removed

[winged karma]

Agreed!

[winged karma]

This I'm with a lot, the combo length is like minimum 10 sec om some combo if I remember right

[real field]

oh

[real field]

yeah hard agree

that's like my only beef personally atm

my friend mained clive and getting hit at round start and eating a BNB that is literally 12 seconds off the clock fucking sucks

it only gets longer if he goes for heat/rage art

[winged karma]

You got it

@real field let's throw hands today when I'm done with work

[real field]

what timeframe is that? I got a lot of plans today unfortunately but if it's early enough I can

I'm getting lunch at 11 central (thai restaurant. guess why!) then I'm entering a lethal league tournament at 1 central, which I will ASSUREDLY go 0-2 in because I have 5 hours in that game, then I'm probably open until like 5 PM central when I'm kicking off a baccano! watch party til 7 when I have a tabletop game

after that tabletop game if I'm not a zombie I'd be down also, probably gonna go til 10 PM central

(odds are high I'll be a zombie though I've had terrible sleep for about a week now)

[winged karma]

I'm home at 2pm central wanna plan for that after your lethal league matches?

Get you that steve

[real field]

hell yeah let's hit it

ngl I'll almost certainly be out by then, I would genuinely be SHOCKED if I won a set in an open on a game I have 5 hours on

especially a game with a tight knit community that's been playing together for 10 years

[winged karma]

Trueeeee

[winged karma]

I will probly be ready around 2:15 cuz shower and all lol

[real field]

👍

[real field]

just @ me a couple times, don't worry about it being 'spammy', I might lose track of time

[plucky sky]

It really feels like the ones with ways to regain heat are also the ones that benefit from heat the most

[plucky sky]

Yeah, corkscrews need to be nerfed or timer at least needs an increase

Though timer increase adds other problems

Also personally

Heat burst should spike and not bound

[real field]

I'm gonna pretend I know enough about tekken to understand the difference between a spike and a bound

[stark salmon]

@wintry dagger I bought S2 pass. Imma Fahk em up

He has a lot of perfect frame inputs and made him fucking cool and execution based character

i love it

[solid stirrup]

Murray did say he was his favorite character

Weird to think Fahk' would be in a similar position to Heihachi (just with dev love)

All those Harada likes Feng as well, so it makes more sense

[real field]

ay look at that it's 1:29 and I washed out of the lethal league tournament already

[real field]

I'm having a blast making people guess

[winged karma]

@real field

@real field

@real field

[real field]

let's hit it

[winged karma]

I'm on in 5

[real field]

I'mma hit the bathroom I'll boot up

[winged karma]

Kk

[rigid mortar]

fahks triple just frame combo looks like it would be so satisfying to learn

[real field]

@wintry dagger I'm trapped in a room with local friends and can't look it up/find it online quick how do I summon sugar

[wintry dagger]

1+4

[real field]

TY

[wintry dagger]

Also, send me an invite. Git some time to kill and feel like spectating ngl

[real field]

I don't have room perms and they won't let me :(

[wintry dagger]

All good. I'll go watch some random battle lounge matches

[real field]

oh wait I might be able to get you in lemme figure out how this menu works

OK I'll pop an invite your way once I get the chance, it might be a few 👍

password is 000 I am told

[real field]

okay invite SHOULD have come through lmk if it didn't

[wintry dagger]

Im in

[real field]

👍

[wintry dagger]

@real field im disappointed already

Its a purple suit not a blue suit

[real field]

I'm bad at colors 😭

@wintry dagger they leavin' you wanna run a few

tryin' to teach my friend asuka he asked for help

[real field]

I only got like 15 more min

[wintry dagger]

@real field yeah me too

[real field]

ggs!!!!

[wintry dagger]

Ggs

[real field]

I love Tekken so much

[cloud yoke]

@plucky sky

[plucky sky]

PAUL SWEEP

[cloud yoke]

I WILL KICK YOUR ASS
RAAAAAAAH

[real field]

@wintry dagger I'm taking another swing at learning Leroy once I feel comfortable on Fahkumram

You've sold me

And I actually learned how parries work so I have a giant leg up over the me I was last time I tried!

[stark salmon]

play Jun. Why do you listen this guy 😂😂😂

@wintry dagger Fahk you

[real field]

aren't you the one who told me to branch out? is going from asuka to jun branching out compared to asuka to leroy? 😛

[stark salmon]

Play anyone but not Leroy😂

[real field]

but whyyyyyyyyy

he's coooool :(

[stark salmon]

he is a bitch 😂Play Fakh and assert your perfect inputs

[unborn socket]

Play Fahkumram for max aura farming

https://tenor.com/view/fahkumram-fahk-tekken-tekken-8-rage-art-gif-16601540260614706886

[real field]

oh I ABSOLUTELY am playing fahk, I'm learning leroy once I've played him some more because if I ONLY play fahk I'll get tireed of the game

[unborn socket]

I’ve been playing Reina since before Eddy came out she’s fun asf

I love her

I will do her a service and get her out of red ranks soon