#Tekken General

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cloud yoke
cloud yoke
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I will be honest chatroom I actually like Victor changes

wintry dagger
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@stark salmon when we playing S2 lol

stark salmon
solid stirrup
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Same as it ever was

wintry dagger
stark salmon
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I played QP then stopped the que to test someshit

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then i picked ranked by an accident

wintry dagger
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F

wintry dagger
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Emergency patch later this month nerfing Jack and Paul

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@delicate merlin abuse Jack's new string while you can lol

cloud yoke
rigid mortar
delicate merlin
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i've had to take a hiatus from gaming, but i plan to come back. is there a tl;dr on season 2?

wintry dagger
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Except Lee, Feng and Zafina allegedly

delicate merlin
wintry dagger
delicate merlin
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oh right, anna is out!

wintry dagger
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Also every character got new moves

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Also important side note. Community is pissed

delicate merlin
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even more so than usual? haha

wintry dagger
# delicate merlin even more so than usual? haha

Short story is Everyone expected defense to get buffed in S2. Which would lead to less 50/50 casino guessing. And they did buff sidestepping by letting you buffer it and being able to sidestep left after blocking an attack that would leave you in crouch

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In the same patch with the new sidestep mechanics. They added new moves that specifically helped out character weaknesses.

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They gave Hwo a tracking low attack because he had difficulty tracking sidesteps

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Jun has a +6 on block mid attack that forces you to guess the mixup because "she had trouble initiating offense"

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Jack has his new move

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Leroy has a +5 on block mid mid sting that leaves him point blank in hermit and has a new CH launch from Hermit

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Point is devs doubled down on offense when they were on record saying they'd focus on defense

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Oh and they redid ranked and reset everyone's ranks

rigid mortar
zinc condorBOT
solid stirrup
cloud yoke
wintry dagger
# cloud yoke

That was literally my next sentence

#1021482093072629861 message

woeful zealot
zinc condorBOT
west topaz
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Looking for T8 character guides?

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Specifically Hwoarang and Law

cloud yoke
# west topaz Specifically Hwoarang and Law

here's a wiki page for Law
https://wavu.wiki/t/Law
I can personally teach you hwoarang if you wish

Law

Law is a close range, poking-based, slide archetype character with strong neutral tools and strong block punishment. A legacy character with traditionally challenging execution, he is very accessible this time around and is suitable for anyone looking to live out their Bruce Lee fantasy.
Law has an extensive moveset that allows for flexibility i...

west topaz
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I've found a Hwoarang guide too

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So now I need to decide

cloud yoke
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Law is better but Hwoarang has better flow, better whiff punish and rewards off hard reads. (I am biased towards rang)

west topaz
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Both are very cool. I'm shit at Tekken so I'm at the level of which one is cooler

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And it's hard to decide for me right now. Hwoarang was one of my favourites back in the day. But he seems pretty difficult now

cloud yoke
west topaz
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🤔

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Any particular Law players to watch?

cloud yoke
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Otherwise he is one of the least interactable characters in the game with explosive mixups (for both fighters)

cloud yoke
cloud yoke
west topaz
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I meant were you talking about Hwoarang here?

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I actually have watched a bit of k wiss

west topaz
cloud yoke
west topaz
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Ah

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Do you play Hwoarang?

cloud yoke
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yes

rigid mortar
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this is the tekken community right now

woeful zealot
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He "plays" hwoarang

west topaz
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What does that mean?

cloud yoke
west topaz
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Nice

woeful zealot
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Rogue face rolls his flowchart and when you ask him what move he did he does a completely different move

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It makes learning from him very easy and not in any way frustrating

rigid mortar
west topaz
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I pressed some buttons

woeful zealot
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While the person is also going "I know exactly what move my character is doing because that's the move I want to use in that position"

cloud yoke
woeful zealot
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Then why didn't you do that 16hit string again rogue

woeful zealot
west topaz
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OK I think I'll go play something else

woeful zealot
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MaySad no play tekken

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Its very fun

rigid mortar
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im mashing X

woeful zealot
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Are you playing tekken right now rogue

woeful zealot
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How did I know

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Ill tell you

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clairvoyance

cloud yoke
west topaz
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@cloud yoke I might hit you up for some Hwoarang advice in the near future if that's cool?

cloud yoke
west topaz
west topaz
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Ah. EU at least. Half way there lol

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@cloud yoke sorry, one more thing. Is there something like Dustloop/Supercombo etc for Tekken? I can't seem to find anything

west topaz
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Thank you

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My local scene is very Tekken-centric. I've decided to try and hold my own against them

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But it feels so weird and different

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But I'm beginning to enjoy it

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"Stop blocking low. Stop blocking low. Stop blocking low."

rigid mortar
zinc condorBOT
rigid mortar
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@winged karma one of the best crashouts ive seen. spent months unlearning T7 steve and finally got to a point where he felt confident with steve. spent 2 days in rank not winning cuz he was trying to play tekken. found the answer was just getting into heat and mashing, no thought

wintry dagger
west topaz
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@cloud yoke what are Hwoarangs neutral pokes?

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I'm seeing a lot of the uppercut?

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And jab

wintry dagger
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@plucky sky @cloud yoke or anyone else really lol.

Anyone playing right now? Can't find a match and wanna see how my Anna does

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No

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Rogue might

cloud yoke
west topaz
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Oh I don't know tekken terminology. What is cd?

wintry dagger
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Crouch dash

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Or down

cloud yoke
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It's short for crouch dash

west topaz
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You can crouch dash?

cloud yoke
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Some characters have a way to dash foward using a specific input

west topaz
wintry dagger
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Mishimas mostly

cloud yoke
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For hwoarang (and some other characters) it's F,*,D,DF

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Or

west topaz
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Forward, neutral, down, down Forward?

cloud yoke
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Foward,Neutral(*),Down,DownFoward

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This is what we call a wave dash

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commonly

west topaz
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Ah I see

rigid mortar
cloud yoke
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Some other characters have a classic quater circle foward notation

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Which is commonly called
sway (for most characters)
Sneak (for dragunov)
and others

west topaz
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Oh also. I've heard that during heat, characters have unique abilities. What does Hwoarang gain?

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Oh also. Is there a way to stance cancel?

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Because sometimes I find myself in stance and I want to return to neutral

cloud yoke
# west topaz Oh also. I've heard that during heat, characters have unique abilities. What doe...

First of all, all of his moves deal chip damage. In contrast to other characters in the roaster, Hwoarang deals more of it due to how many moves he does (a lot)
Second, he gains critical natural extensions for his launcher ( where it normally wouldn't combo, now he gains new ways to launch you on a counterhit, and it hurts a lot)
Third of all, he gains the ability to perform a knockdown with his hellsweep in Right flamingo (the last hit of right flamingo d4,3,4 isn't a combo outside of heat/counter)

west topaz
cloud yoke
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cloud yoke
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cloud yoke
plucky sky
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10 frames is universal fastest

west topaz
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10? InoNervous

plucky sky
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Yoshimitsu, Raven and Lili have character specific quicker options

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Yoshi has a 6f in flash

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Raven and Lili have 8f back turn jabs iirc

west topaz
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Flash is yoshi in heat?

plucky sky
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No

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Flash is a move he always has

west topaz
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Oh man

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I'm getting confused

plucky sky
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It’s tiny though

cloud yoke
# west topaz Is 13 frames low in tekken? Because that sounds like a lot to me

However, Hworang has ways to be faster than his opponent, like:

  • Simply being plus (he just is on a lot of his moves)
  • Performing a powercrush (Hworang the only character in the game with a power crush attack that is cancelable and hit confirmable)
  • Right Flamingo f4,4 (it's a counter hit launcher that starts of from frame 8)
cloud yoke
west topaz
cloud yoke
# west topaz I'm getting confused

Yoshimitsu's flash properties change according to his sword position.

  • He can either have it in his hand (where it is a 6 frame startup mid that get's you a heat engager)
  • Or have it sheathed (It is now a 8 frame startup mid launcher)
west topaz
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I'm getting overloaded to be honest

cloud yoke
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** Yoshimitsu's flash will allways behave like it is sheathed as long as he is in heat**

cloud yoke
# west topaz I'm getting overloaded to be honest

That's a lot to take in as Hwoarang is not a simple character (he is, in lack of better terms, a rushdown generalist)
and Yoshimitsu's sword gimmick is one of the things that make him powerfull.

west topaz
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All great information, and thank you

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I'll take as much in as I can

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But I'm still a beginner

cloud yoke
west topaz
west topaz
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3D platform

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Different rules

cloud yoke
west topaz
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Tekken does not

cloud yoke
# west topaz Different rules

In strive for example, pressure mostly begins from a singular move (cS, kick moves, throws) where you have branching choices of 50/50 and pressure resets
In tekken, your character not only has 50/50 stances, but also can have around 150-300 string moves which you have to recognize the start of to not fail at simple counterplay

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In tekken you both have reaction checks and branching mixups resulting in a lot of mental stack

west topaz
west topaz
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Don't use Strive as your base marker. Use Street Fighter

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Anime games are a whole different ball game

cloud yoke
west topaz
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I feel like you have something against mashing?

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The term itself is a bit deceiving

cloud yoke
cloud yoke
west topaz
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I'm sorry. But are you trying to teach me what abare is?

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I think you might be under the impression that I'm new to FGs

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I'm not. I'm new to Tekken

cloud yoke
west topaz
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Abare is a SF term. Not a Tekken term

cloud yoke
cloud yoke
west topaz
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I'm sorry. I might have come across in a bad way there

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But, you were talking about mashing in kind of a derogatory way. So I thought you saw mashing as a scrubby technique

wintry dagger
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Mashing works way better than it should. Especially in tracken 8

cloud yoke
west topaz
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Well abare is not a technique you'd use in a neutral setting

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It's something you'd use on wake up

cloud yoke
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not, as in, neutral setting in a fighting game

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we can talk about abare's in tekken 8

west topaz
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Well that's something I don't know about

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Abare to me, would be mashing a fast button on wake up. Or while in a block string etc

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Usually it would be on wake up

cloud yoke
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In tekken you also do that

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sometimes on the ground

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other times you do that with your fastest button

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in other times you do so with a move that might not be the fastest, but is naturally evasive

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and when push comes to shove, you might want to press a button that simply doesn't get you too punished on hit

west topaz
cloud yoke
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I generalise in this situation because charcters in tekken have a lot of moves and it usually depends on what you want to do

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so the best thing right now is to focus on your character

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whatever that may be

west topaz
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Hwoarang

cloud yoke
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You might not know your opponent but knowing your character is more than half the battle

cloud yoke
# west topaz Hwoarang

When it comes to Hworang you wanna break down your character research by goals you can set in a match, like:

  • what low should i hit my stand blocking opponent with
  • what move should i punish somebody with when they simply wildly whiff buttons in neutral
  • what is a string that usually doesn't get me killed
  • what combo should i do in this situation
  • what moves are plus on block to check mashing people
  • what move should i use to check crouching people with
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so on and so on

cloud yoke
cloud yoke
west topaz
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Frame traps, high/lows

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Strike/throw

cloud yoke
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where a lot of characters get 50/50

rigid mortar
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whats the extra 1% do?

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also who words it 33/33/33 instead of saying rps 🤔

wintry dagger
west topaz
cloud yoke
cloud yoke
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stark salmon
wintry dagger
stark salmon
wintry dagger
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I do have T7 installed though

stark salmon
wintry dagger
zinc condorBOT
# rigid mortar https://x.com/overflowyouknow/status/1908611760455901264?t=7ejLSYk-Vk8m6JOmoxbCk...

I was reading through Leroy's patch notes again and I knew they made the cane 16f but what didn't click immediately is that he's +16 after b3 which means guaranteed launcher anytime it hits (once per match at least). There's probably a better combo.
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cloud yoke
rigid mortar
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sounds like a skill issue

cloud yoke
stark salmon
rigid mortar
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im sure they already know

wintry dagger
wintry dagger
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Which i did not use in this clip lol

cloud yoke
stark salmon
plucky sky
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Guys

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I landed the Paul unblockable ws32

solid stirrup
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Devious and diabolical

cloud yoke
rigid mortar
cloud yoke
wintry dagger
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Amazed both Tekken and poe2 had ass backwards, Season 2 esque, updates during the same week

rigid mortar
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Poe 2 though looks to be undoing some changes

solid stirrup
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Bamco is on that path of exhile

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*exile, why tf did I spell it that way

wintry dagger
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@stark salmon finally tried Jun

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They never should have gave these characters money tailspins

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We didn't know how to appreciate shit

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What am I gonna do with all these old combos now, Harada??

rigid mortar
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did rogue gaslight me

wintry dagger
cloud yoke
# rigid mortar did rogue gaslight me

Mf get's a guarranteed move out of any of his 4 stances with +32 frames and he still bitches about not having a follow up on a

  • 17 dmg
  • -14f on block
  • High crushing
  • Foward advancing, far reaching
  • +6 on hit
    low that shifts into a stance where you have a 14f mid or a 16f low
cloud yoke
# rigid mortar

Yeah and the next fucking thing for hwoarang in the patch notes is a mid-mid string that is

  • uninterruptable (no meaningful gap between the first and second hit)
  • 4+ on block
  • natural string on counter hit ( or in heat)
  • foward advancing
  • 14 frames of fucking startup for some reason
    Oh and btw this mid string is right next to his hellsweep that deals 39 dmg in heat
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There's no fucking mixup now, you just eat the mid

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Oh and it tornadoes for some reason

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if you had the SLIGHTEST idea to low crush it for some reason

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they yassified my fucking mixups with a 50/50

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can't play my rushdown character anymore

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also

wintry dagger
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I'm incredibly tempted to play T7 and troll with this abomination

wintry dagger
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Also i legit forgot how to play Nina

rigid mortar
wintry dagger
solid stirrup
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Salvatore Gannuci saw the Tekken community response when she got released before Eddy in T7 and said "hold my stage name"

solid stirrup
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Yeah, it was like first arcade release of the game

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Sorry for the late response, mass effect and SF got me

rigid mortar
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me1??

solid stirrup
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Yeah, legendary edition though

rigid mortar
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thats fine, they made one pain in the ass encounter better in it

solid stirrup
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Yeah, and the button layout is more intuitive this time around

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Minus having A/x do everything

rigid mortar
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oh i havnt played it using a controller since it first released

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but ive beaten it prob 8 times

solid stirrup
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Yeah, my roommate said it was the type of game to just suck you in

wintry dagger
zinc condorBOT
solid stirrup
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Foolish Anna, I've stolen your swagger!

zinc condorBOT
zinc condorBOT
# rigid mortar https://x.com/holyknee/status/1910339049535271365?s=46&t=D-STK1G7gycAKWJW70j_Gg

This is my opinion about S2
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︀︀I would be happy if this helpful to them.
︀︀Honestly, I think the developer's idea should be different from the player. However, I think it would be nice to accept some feedback.
︀︀but I don't care if they don't listen. Tekken8 is already a negative

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rigid mortar
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Big ass post

woeful zealot
cloud yoke
rigid mortar
zinc condorBOT
rigid mortar
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watching tekken streamer play sf6 has been fun

cloud yoke
cloud yoke
solid stirrup
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Anna and everyone else simultaneously butt slammed your video memory card

wintry dagger
wintry dagger
wintry dagger
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Now I want a PC

rigid mortar
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bruce needs to come back to tekken

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he can save t8

zinc condorBOT
# wintry dagger https://x.com/TEKKEN/status/1911933422492401688?t=P9oieOVZaWd9hHHW-57XLQ&s=19

An emergency patch will be deployed to address the issues occurring in #TEKKEN8 (v2.00.01).
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︀︀■ Date and time:
︀︀Thursday, April 17, around 11AM JST
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︀︀Please check the following URL for Patch Contents (v2.00.02): www.tekken-official.jp/tekken_news/?p=1171

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wintry dagger
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Everyone about to get more health

wintry dagger
rigid mortar
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the buff health in strive did bugger all lol

cloud yoke
# wintry dagger

What is more cost effective measure for dealing with combo damage increased by 20-30 points per character ?

A: Actually changing combo properties of certain problematic moves, their proration, scaling, ect. so your opponent doesn't die by 1 launch and 3 pokes due to bullshit extensions (like Lidia's ff4,3 or 300 tailspins you have added)
B: Give EVERYONE extra health so now you need to tweak EVERY poke move in the cast so "small tekken" doesn't get butchered (Like the lows due to extra health)

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somebody outta be fired for this

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8 FUCKING GAMES AND THEY CAN'T GET THEIR SHIT STRAIGHT

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lmao

solid stirrup
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7 games and then they decided to "modernize" and have been shitting themselves with the consequences

plucky sky
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It could be Tekken 4

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I don't think we're at the level of that yet

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Cool vibe and story but ass cheek otherwise

zinc condorBOT
wintry dagger
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angry Lili noises

solid stirrup
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Asuka is too good and head empty for any of the cast

rigid mortar
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been gone all day whats the verdict

wintry dagger
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They nerfed Ki charge

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Default health is now 200

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Heat engagers now +9

rigid mortar
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tekken +9

wintry dagger
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All wall staggers that were +10 or more have been removed

rigid mortar
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but what do people think

wintry dagger
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I personally have just skimmed the notes. I'll look more in the morning

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RIP Anna B2 glitch

winged karma
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Right steps, but will take the long route

winged karma
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Steve top 1

cloud yoke
wintry dagger
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My live reaction after doing this for the first time

plucky sky
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I just saw a Tag 2 clip of someone losing 50% health in a single combo

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Bryan gets tagged in

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Taunt b4 into mach punch

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Takes the other 50%

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Literally 2 touched

cloud yoke
stark salmon
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@wintry dagger

rigid mortar
rigid mortar
plucky sky
plucky sky
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People really don't re against Jack huh

wintry dagger
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Ironically enough I get more rematches when I play Eddy than Leroy or Nina

cloud yoke
cloud yoke
solid stirrup
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When Lili's losing and then she remembers her Dad just made a million disappearing union organizers

wintry dagger
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Reason number 207 why I hate King

rigid mortar
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207 and you only need one

wintry dagger
real field
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aww, that's just a system mechanic c'mon now

cloud yoke
plucky sky
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I found something

cloud yoke
plucky sky
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The worst Tekken game

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It has the manual too

cloud yoke
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heat engaging power crush fyi

wintry dagger
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I've officially retired from Ranked/Quick Match until the next major balance patch

woeful zealot
zinc condorBOT
# woeful zealot https://x.com/ExulansD/status/1913260775877001249

@Madara521Twitch @wagboy919 It doesnt work like that. Ram is also broken but there are like 2 top level players around on her. Leo is a character that defies any logic and concept of balance. He is turbo broken and we would ban him from official competition if as a community we cared more for fairness

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woeful zealot
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SOLKEKW the reply to this is extremely funny

wintry dagger
cloud yoke
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They HAD the CAT in the BAG

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with season 1

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few outliers

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yoshi

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nina

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jimbo

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but nah

cloud yoke
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2 cinderblocks attached

rigid mortar
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evo japan in like 10 days

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🙃

wintry dagger
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Legit no one about to pick Zafina for Evo

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Also words that will scare @stark salmon

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Leroy Infinite

rigid mortar
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whats cc b3 mean

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crouch cancel?

plucky sky
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What are you trying to learn or what did you see?

rigid mortar
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was watching a vod thing and the guy said the answqer to kings sprint into flying kick is cc b3 as jack

plucky sky
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Cause I can't think of anything Jack has him forced crouching

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And b3 is a high

rigid mortar
plucky sky
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Oh on block?

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I think you can just ws2 1

stark salmon
plucky sky
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Jin alone is reason enough

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This shit is evil

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Not mentioning the wall mechanics

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It's cool looking, cool sounding and cool story

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But man

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It's not a good game lmao

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Unbalanced as all hell

stark salmon
# plucky sky It's ass man

there are still counter plays for it. But he was strong yes. Therefore, they made him weak af in 5 and DR.

plucky sky
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It's side walk right, which gets caught by Laser Scraper

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And laser scraper is -8 on hit, so only 8f jab characters can punish

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Like there's literally only 1 way to counterplay bf21:df2

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And it loses to bf21df2

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Also

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21 is +11 on hit, so they're forced to eat the true 50/50 (which some characters can't even step)

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Also 124 splats and gives guaranteed d4

cloud yoke
stark salmon
rigid mortar
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cant wait to see what happens at evo japan in 5 days

wintry dagger
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Kill Clive instead

plucky sky
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His hurtbox goes through leroy when he tried to punish and it hit him

cloud yoke
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And this is a problem not only because tekken team is lazy as fuck with hurtboxes but also because the recovery for a lot of strings is a all over the place so a lot of punishes might not work if you wait long enough

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In conclusion, we should consider nerfing Devil Jin about it and buffing Lars

rigid mortar
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they should just not do that and instead kill tekken 8 and revive tekken 5

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or tag 2

obtuse nexus
plucky sky
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T5:DR is

wintry dagger
stark salmon
# plucky sky The counterplay is so fucking inconsistent

Super Battle Opera or Tougeki 2004. The tournament was hosted by Arcadia magazine and was also known as Arcadia Cup, the 2nd SBO brought the best player to compete in Tekken 4 Arcade version. This video contains the whole tournament.

#Tekken4sbo
#tekken4match
#tekken4tournament
#superbattleopera2004
#tekken4arcade

▶ Play video
cloud yoke
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I am looking foward to whatever the fuck is going to happen at EVO

plucky sky
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There’s been like 3 laser scrapers and 2 laser annihilators

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1 scraper was blocked

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And no annihilators have been stepped so far

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This proves my point

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Watching the second Jin set now

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Will also record laser scraper mix

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4 annihilators, 1 stepped with an evasive move by Capo (might actually be due to the sloped stage)
2 scraper, 1 blocked

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3rd Jin set

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0 annihilator, 0 stepped
1, scraper, 1 blocked

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4th set
0 annihilator, 0 stepped
1 scraper, 1 blocked

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5th set
1 annihilator, 0 stepped
0 scraper, 0 blocked

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6th set
0 annihilator, 0 stepped
1 scraper, 1 blocked (though I think it was a failed jf)

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1 annihilator was stepped in all 6 of these sets

stark salmon
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@plucky sky bf 2,1 is Jin’s classic check to side step and parries.

You shared the charged one Furthermore, you call the game broken but i want you to watch the entire tournament. Where is the broken shit?

1,2,4 on hit gives jin a free d1 or oki.

Like you said Laser Scrapper is a mix but mix in 4,5,6,Tag 2,7,8 as well. Like there is a difference between a strong move vs a broken one.

Jin was strong but not broken

Problem is charge.

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tekken4 problem was stages not balance of the cast

plucky sky
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1, 4 was an issue

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1, 2, 4 was an issue

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I can’t think of any other character who has an uninterruptible unblockable in a string, let alone launching

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Like one massive issue with Jin isn’t bf2,1

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It’s the same as usual

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It’s the fact that he has annihilator

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Jin has so many tools in 4 that puts him above the rest

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-11 on block hellsweep

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2,1 is plus on block

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Parry is actionable immediately on whiff

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Also like the full laser scraper string is -8 on block

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Mid mid mid

stark salmon
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Im not saying Jin was weak. However, he was not broken. What made T4 competitively broken is stages. Anyone who competed in that game would say the same.

plucky sky
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But he was literally broken though, most people agree with it

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He was competitively dominant

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Looked through liquidpedia, and while there’s only 3 results

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All three tourneys, were won by Jins

rigid mortar
zinc condorBOT
# rigid mortar https://x.com/rangchu123/status/1919803261584080936

I've been watching a lot of Esports matches since 1999. Most of esports regulation has articles about players who abuse bugs to be disciplined. The same goes for the bugs with Asuka and Paul's charging move. From Friday, EVO Japan starts, and I think @BNEesports has to announce if those moves are bugs or just intented strong moves.

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rigid mortar
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i cant wait for friday @cloud yoke

wintry dagger
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@stark salmon

cloud yoke
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Goddamit

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700 hours ago i had people bitching about me being a hard stuck fujin

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1 tekken emperor later fucking rank deflation hits and ** I AM BACK TO SQUARE ONE**

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is this fucking purgatory

woeful zealot
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Something something samsara

stark salmon
# cloud yoke # Goddamit

All I want is ability to parry mid air moves. Then I wanna challenge every single hworang i can find.

cloud yoke
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or his dragon lash

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of the 50/50 after the dragon lash

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that 50/50 which had to be changed multiple times so people couldn't option select

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or worse yet, you gonna wake up like lee and law players

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with

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"balance changes"

rigid mortar
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patch comes out and both hworangs legs are broken, he now fights in a wheel chair

stark salmon
plucky sky
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"Chicken!"

stark salmon
plucky sky
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Chicken was awful

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It's bufferable

stark salmon
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It was satisfying to land that though

cloud yoke
stark salmon
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It was a core tech of entire franchise. Removing the ability of that is the buff.

Your character’s half of the moves are armoured. Some are homing mid safe. Let us parry it.

Same goes for can can. Let us parry can can!

plucky sky
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I think most of his "jumping moves" are actually grounded now

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I've been parrying hwo's moves with Hei's b1+2

cloud yoke
# stark salmon It was a core tech of entire franchise. Removing the ability of that is the buff...

Changing parry status was a core design decision in the making of Tekken 8 and its ramifications were accounted for during the development. Giving that shit raw now after season 2 to Leroy would only make the game worse.

Me having armored moves has nothing to add to the discussion, as all of them have drawbacks or counterplay while being parryable.
I have exactly one airborne homing heat engager,
But it is pretty slow, requires a stance transition and is only +1 on block on a character with absolutely no safe tracking in that situation.
You already counter most of the frame traps I do by showing your parry up my ass, I deserve to call out your parry with a move that is airborne that you can definitely sidestep

cloud yoke
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No idea why they gave a power crush airborne property

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Also they should just add extra recovery+block stun to can cans so you can punish them more easily when whiffed

plucky sky
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Just give them the whiff property

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Jabs and electrics have it

cloud yoke
plucky sky
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Moves with the whiff property have different recovery depending on if they hit or not

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Example, Heihachi's b4

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If it whiffs he gets like an extra 30f of recovery on it

stark salmon
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All I want is to see old “universal” defence options to be back in 8

cloud yoke
stark salmon
woeful zealot
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RamSleep rogue I've seen you break down hwo rps and it's so fucking ass for the defender 90% of the time

stark salmon
woeful zealot
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There's also no shot you're complaining about parries when you told me off for complaining that you could parry H&E 2

cloud yoke
stark salmon
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@cloud yoke Which platform do you play?

woeful zealot
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GioPopcorn i feel like the half screen kick that's + means you have a decent neutral tool

cloud yoke
woeful zealot
stark salmon
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@woeful zealot who do you play?

woeful zealot
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Pc

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Though I haven't booted since s2

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Oh

stark salmon
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Zyx who do you play?!

woeful zealot
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I liked Lidia and jun

cloud yoke
woeful zealot
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Very casual though

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You ran me through some jun basics when the game came out

cloud yoke
stark salmon
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Lidia is full gamble but you can parry her options on read

stark salmon
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you learn the history of the game

woeful zealot
stark salmon
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@cloud yoke

5 DR: Jin
6 : Can Play Jin/Asuka/DJ
Tag 2: Jun and DJ can play asuka too
7: DJ/Kazuya/Asuka/Noctis/Kuni. Fuck it i will refresh my memory on Jin

lets run some games

woeful zealot
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👀 kuni

cloud yoke
stark salmon
cloud yoke
woeful zealot
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Brother

stark salmon
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and wish to see the old defensive options. How is this about ego?

stark salmon
cloud yoke
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not 4

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not 7

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not 5 dr

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8

woeful zealot
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I heard her gameplay was unfun though

cloud yoke
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I DON'T WANT TO PLAY A BACKDASH COMPETITION ON ENDLESS AZURE AGAINST ZAFINA IN TEKKEN 7

stark salmon
plucky sky
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You mean Tekken 7 that nerfed side stepping?

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After the shitshow that was Tag2

cloud yoke
plucky sky
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Also if you like defensive options, why is T4 one of the best then?

plucky sky
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Parrying in Tekken pre 8 was a knowledge check

stark salmon
stark salmon
plucky sky
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?

cloud yoke
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I TALK ABOUT

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TEKKEN

8

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I DO NOT CARE ABOUT PREVIOUS TITLES

stark salmon
cloud yoke
woeful zealot
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Rogue

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Brother

stark salmon
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Go to your locals if you are so good

woeful zealot
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Pls

plucky sky
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There's no locals in Europe

woeful zealot
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You didn't know the last move you did

plucky sky
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Parrying was ass in T7

stark salmon
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or online tournaments

plucky sky
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Sure hopkicks and shit could be parried

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But why wouldn't you just buffer chicken behind your shit

cloud yoke
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man this is purgatory

plucky sky
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The parry changes is a healthier one for the game imo

stark salmon
cloud yoke
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what does knee have to do with all of this ?

stark salmon
plucky sky
woeful zealot
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Disagree

stark salmon
woeful zealot
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Defensive mechanics often promote better offensive mechanics

plucky sky
stark salmon
woeful zealot
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Its the "parry" os you showed me once

plucky sky
cloud yoke
woeful zealot
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Right?

plucky sky
stark salmon
woeful zealot
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Could you repost the video again ? Or link me to it

plucky sky
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I successfully use a defensive option and oh? what's that, the opponent doesn't take damage but I do?

stark salmon
cloud yoke
woeful zealot
cloud yoke
plucky sky
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Seriously though, parrying is strong af in this game against like Hwo

stark salmon
plucky sky
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S2 made a bunch of "jumping moves" grounded

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You can parry them now

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He has to actively call it out now

stark salmon
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They completely changed her to be a walking juggernaut

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also f2 is crushing mids in certain situations

plucky sky
stark salmon
# plucky sky I mean in T7

Oh in 7, you must turtle her. And you would be fine.

DF2 into Parry
UF3 into Parry
B4 into Parry.

this ability of hers was scarry

plucky sky
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Yeah but nothing is stopping the opponent from attempting chickens

plucky sky
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Also, what's stopping you from doing that in T8?

plucky sky
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Like genuinely

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Poke into parry still works

stark salmon
plucky sky
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What?

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Just throw out parries on minus frames if you wanna, they didn't remove that

woeful zealot
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PotSweat good thing I've never done that

stark salmon
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no they did not remove that yes. However, chicken was an option for the attacker to “reverse” the parry.

plucky sky
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Yeah, but chicken is an objectively offensive mechanic

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Not defensive

stark salmon
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I would argue but i see your point. I would suggest a tech to defend yourself against parries

cloud yoke
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woeful zealot
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Btw how does Julia play in t7

cloud yoke
stark salmon
plucky sky
stark salmon
plucky sky
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Nuh uh, Tekken 6 player here

stark salmon
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You did not tell me you play 6. Noice 🙌

plucky sky
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Yeah, I used to play Kuma against my uncle

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He's been playing Paul since 3

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I should get him 8 as a christmas present one year

midnight musk
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nah we should go back to good tekken like T4 where i can jab string into unlockable launcher, you sidestep, i fuck up the unlockable launcher, and you get launcherd

wintry dagger
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I may be a temporary Xiaoyu main

rigid mortar
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rigid mortar
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these combos are too long man

cloud yoke
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Mf nearly timed himself out
he could've raged art'ed for another 10 seconds off the clock

rigid mortar
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anyone have the plugin to see the dislikes?

stark salmon
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They fired the balancing team who worked on this game since T7 S3. According to harada, they are bringing OG Team.

Prob 5,6

zinc condorBOT
# stark salmon https://x.com/harada_tekken/status/1920399007584825679?s=46

8 was challenging in some aspects with a new team for battle & tuning, but we have returned the team structure to the members of the past.
︀︀In addition, the director, Nakatsu, who we all know and love, is now able to check and approve all tuning in detail (he was short on time as general manager, but now he gives final approval for every detail of battles and tuning).
︀︀As you all know, he originally comes from the fan community and was a writer for game magazines and strategy articles, and was also in charge of battles and tuning for TAG 2 and 7.
︀︀ So I don't think there is anything to worry about in the future.

Quoting Alesito (@BlondeBombCLP)

@Harada_TEKKEN Harada, honestly, does the team even know what they want with Tekken 8? Every new patch seems like a new experiment. The disconnect between the player base and the development team is worrying.

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plucky sky
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They're probably not fired

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More than likely moved to another department in NamCo

cloud yoke
rigid mortar
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one of these arent the same

midnight musk
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is that fucking tifa in a bomber jacket?

solid stirrup
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Nah, that's Kuma

cloud yoke
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Dealer meets the house.

cloud yoke
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Who would win ?
Steve Lionheart (God's strongest pachinko soldier)
OR
Parry

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I swear hitting that thing mid match multiple times is such a dopamine rush

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"Nice frametrap bozo now check this shit out"

rigid mortar
cloud yoke
wintry dagger
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Oh for Fahk's sake...

solid stirrup
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"We decided this before we pissed everyone off"

zinc condorBOT
# wintry dagger https://x.com/TEKKEN/status/1921379641366893036?t=3oFZGWAaymGBU4cOmadwAQ&s=19

It’s time to kick things up a notch.
︀︀New content is coming in hot for #TEKKEN8 Season 2!
︀︀
︀︀⚖️ Balance adjustments
︀︀🏆 #TWT2025 start
︀︀👻 Ghost Showdowns
︀︀🤜Karate Kid Legends collab
︀︀🟡PAC-MAN stage & items
︀︀And… 💪🟦

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Bruce is never coming back

obtuse nexus
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safe to say armor king is confirmed now

solid stirrup
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I'd say so

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cloud yoke
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Can't believe they are adding Hwoarang 2 to mashing 8

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Chat room can somebody explain to me how the graffiti covered wall from brazil is a dissapointing choice for a character reveal ? ( I have not played 7)

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Am I delusonal or how do you play a fighting game without mixups or knowledge checks ???

rigid mortar
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the game footsies

cloud yoke
rigid mortar
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no i mean the game footsies

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not the concept

cloud yoke
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Ok, let me ask something else

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What is "game footsies" ?

rigid mortar
real field
wintry dagger
stark salmon
wintry dagger
zinc condorBOT
stark salmon
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get this

wintry dagger
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Tried normal vf5 for a little while but couldn't find an online match

plucky sky
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real field
stark salmon
midnight musk
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but then the game faild for having dog shit netocde and being VF 5 again

stark salmon
wintry dagger
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@stark salmon I downloaded vf5. No idea when I'll get around to playing it

rigid mortar
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being a pessimistic doomer im going to say my take that tekken proved. dlc fighting passes should be shown all at once instead of drip fed. imagine playing tekken for this long and all the characters so far except maybe one has been a snooze. people would know if they can quit the game early

real field
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I choose optimism

plucky sky
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Like 4 extremely popular characters]

midnight musk
rigid mortar
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I think you are over selling the word extremely

plucky sky
midnight musk
rigid mortar
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I did say except maybe one and you can't include Anna since she's new everyone's trying her

plucky sky
midnight musk
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this is like me saying dizzy is a sleep dlc for strive

rigid mortar
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I think using Tekken as an example of outdated marketing is fine even if you aren't playing the game

midnight musk
stark salmon
obtuse nexus
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I'm beginning to believe

wintry dagger
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@stark salmon you see what I see?

cloud yoke
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Panda ? In S+ tier ? How queer ! I must inquire this with tekken balancing team at once !

woeful zealot
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Lidia so bad still she's not even on there NagoNod

cloud yoke
rigid mortar
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with lee

woeful zealot
cloud yoke
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I was today year's old when I found out that Dragunov can empty cancel with snake edge without having to do the grab

cloud yoke
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@plucky sky@woeful zealot@stark salmon@wintry dagger
Guys I know you hate me but you gotta see this

plucky sky
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Did you see the nerfs

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DJ players are pissed

real field
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LMFAOOOOOO

cloud yoke
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Finally I've found somebody who doesn't shit talk

obtuse nexus
wintry dagger
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I saw a down arrow for King's heat smash and got excited

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Only to realize it does like 3 less chip damage on block

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stark salmon
zinc condorBOT
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obtuse nexus
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and the level 2 charge is only +5 on block now

stark salmon
wintry dagger
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If Leroy wasn't in T8 I'd probably main Nina full time

rigid mortar
zinc condorBOT
obtuse nexus
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it's not even that big of a nerf, he's still solid. only people who are gonna complain about the mishima nerfs are the ones who skipped fundies and relied on gimmicks

rigid mortar
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whats RFS mean in notations

obtuse nexus
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right flamingo stance

rigid mortar
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oh

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then i need to post this for rogue!

rigid mortar
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has there ever been a tekken stage that like in a public or private building then you blast through the wall and you are like in the street kicking ass?

solid stirrup
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The waffle House stage has yet to be made, sadly (not that I'm aware of)

wintry dagger
plucky sky
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Might be confusing it with another stage

cloud yoke
# rigid mortar

Real actually.
This move has no fucking merit
0
It is only natural in heat (which wallsplats granted)
Without it
It puts you into an unforgiveable RPS if your opponent tries to option select you with a sidestep, sidestep jab, sidestep duck (even if he is +4, he gets put in Left Flamingo in which he is extremely linear and his fastest move is a 13f high that doesn't even give any reward)

Compared to his other moves 4,3 without heat just gets him killed for little to no reward

For example, RFS 3~4 is a 16f -3 on block mid-mid airborne string that wallspats and knockdowns.
At -3 you can still sidestep a lot of characters pointblank and continue your pressure with a CH launcher sidestep 3,3 or CH launcher sidestep 4, jab strings or newly added high crushing dark halberd.

RFS DF4 is a mid that counter hit launches and is +1 on block (spaced out so that Hwoarangs first jab whiffs if you don't mash into him)
Both of these moves put you into your neutral stance (LFF) so that you can start playing small tekken
In contrast I do not see the reason to let hwoarang have that move other than a cheap knowledge check and a terrible implication that if you duck his LFS 3,4 (mid,high) you have to be very quick about punishing him so that you don't eat RFS 4,3.

In conclusion it's a stupid move that makes an stupidly absurd exercise on the knowledge exam of the character

cloud yoke
obtuse nexus
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sheesh

reef geyser
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I AM BACK TO TEKKEN
And a Lars main now

obtuse nexus
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most unga marisa returns

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wrong luna nvm

reef geyser
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Uh
I am a Marisa main

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I just have no idea who you are

wintry dagger
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My reaction to the first sentence. And my reaction to the second sentence

reef geyser
wintry dagger
reef geyser
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Yeah, I'm liking stance into stance into stance a bit too much

wintry dagger
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Wavu into wavu into free heat

reef geyser
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Yup

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Plus, I'm getting coached now by a Lars main so...
Welp

wintry dagger
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@stark salmon first set of the week for me and I get these black fucking dots again

wintry dagger
solid stirrup
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That's not good

stark salmon
wintry dagger
real field
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I am tired of trying to find tekken info in character discords, on youtube, and resorting to reddit and even tumblr and being met with a smattering of useful information in a flood of negativity that has been ongoing for more than a decade now.

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I cannot comprehend why the tekken community by and large is like this. it makes me sad.

midnight musk
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like, there was a korean streamer who got flamed for telling westerners counter play

real field
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Disappointing.

cloud yoke
# real field I cannot comprehend why the tekken community by and large is like this. it makes...

Well starting off the state balance for the latest instalment of the franchise was fine, with few outliers that were to be considered. People were mostly ok before the balance team decided to shit on their plate just to appease the casuals. This backfired horribly. They were already complaining about the nature of mixups, the "defensive" patch that ended up being unga bunga 50/50 gg ez didn't help at all.

Other than that very predatory anticonsumer practices
"Yes I did put in the microtransaction shop 6 months after launch so the game sells"
"No, you see that one map isn't free, you have to buy it"
"Here's a sticker you can only use once, here's 400 of them"
"Yes, you will have to pay for imported clothing from previous games"
"No, you can't pay in real money, you have to buy our tekken coins first"
"No you can't collect tekken coins on normal basis, only from the battlepass, which by itself has a normal and a premium version filled with slop"

cloud yoke
real field
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I would never defend the microtransaction stuff but the negativity has been going since well before that began and extends well past it is the main thing to me,

and I think like, yeah, no, this current patch kinda sucks overall for sure, and I'm not defending it, but you wouldn't be able to tell a difference in if a guide was made this patch vs last patch vs in tekken 7 sight unseen with how pervasive the overwhelmingly negative attitude seems to be in the community at large

#

to be clear I'm not saying you're the problem, Rogue. It's that after going to a ton of different servers and they're all basically saying the exact same things, and then looking up older stuff to confirm my suspicion (that they've just always been like this) and easily doing so, and comparing resources from last season, vs tekken 7, it's just so damned draining

real field
# cloud yoke Personally I've played Hwoarang, Victor and Dragunov so feel free to ask about a...

I appreciate the offer! I've got the quasi-plan to eventually at least get an understanding of the whole cast but for the time being a friend of mine whipped out asuka and whupped my ass, and I wanna learn her because worst case I learn how to beat her, yaknow? before them I hadn't to my memory fought an asuka that knows how to play the game or really the character because lol I'm in green ranks and haven't found any asuka players from a matchmaking ping etc.

plucky sky
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Understanding how to fight them or as them?

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Personally I play most of the Mishima’s, Jack, Paul and Dragunov

Snake is a Leroy player iirc

Near is a Kazama player iirc

Deebo is also a Mishima player I think?

stark salmon
# real field I am tired of trying to find tekken info in character discords, on youtube, and ...

for resources, check pins. I have included resources links.

As for Koreans, that is a thing for god knows how long. To have an advantage in tournaments, they train hard and share info only to themselves. However, some do share them on twitter.

Last but not least, make tekken replay a good use. Find people’s Tekken ID, Wavu Rank, follow them in game and watch their games. Thats how I learn Jun

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I do play mostly Jun/Jin but have Asuka experience. Furthermore, I also can play Reina,Kazuya. You can ask me or us if you need help

real field
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thank you!!

real field
# plucky sky Understanding how to fight them or as them?

I want to learn the very basic ground floor concepts behind their gameplan, and that will then let me narrow down an actual main or 2 lmao

i.e. "Xiaoyu wants to be dodging your shit, has a bunch of ways to do that"

I can read a list all I want but it's better IMO to feel it

as far as the time investment that doesn't put me off; once the slew of patches slows down I'll be jumping in with the goal of "know how to be pretty alright at this game when tekken 9 releases"

plucky sky
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She has extremely strong mixups and oki

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Though her weakness is she might be the single most stubby character in the game

cloud yoke
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We can make it bros

reef geyser
#

GETTING THERE

wintry dagger
reef geyser
wintry dagger
reef geyser
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OK!
It's been way too long man
I missed fighting you

wintry dagger
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If you've got time tight now sure. If not. We'll play some other time

reef geyser
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I'm a lot stronger now
Been getting coaching
LMAO

wintry dagger
wintry dagger
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@reef geyser ggs

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plucky sky
wintry dagger
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@stark salmon gotta be nice to Leroy today /s

stark salmon
wintry dagger
obtuse nexus
stark salmon
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I would say this one.

||Venus being my home city and even had my real name as a convenience store in the episode shock me even this day. ||

obtuse nexus
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crazy coincidence

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that episode broke my damn heart tho

obtuse nexus
plucky sky
obtuse nexus
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yeah, in that situation the b2, 4 would've dropped

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wr4 df2 gives the same oki though

stark salmon
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If they stay on the ground ff4 instead of df3,2 charge

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but beautiful pressure and play.

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I will play you @obtuse nexus sometime. I need to check Kaz in s2

obtuse nexus
obtuse nexus
woeful zealot
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They ran t7 at my local today. Was a fun time

obtuse nexus
#

W

wintry dagger
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obtuse nexus
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thinking jun or ass sucka

stark salmon
wintry dagger
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Jun gonna get kneecapped

stark salmon
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and she will be fine

wintry dagger
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If Leroy can't have a Ss mid that's +5 on block in forced stance Jun can't have a +6 ob Ss mid that leaves her point blank in neutral

stark salmon
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stark salmon
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and I cannot "HOLD" them unlike Asuka

wintry dagger
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reef geyser
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Omw to the top

plucky sky
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obtuse nexus
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I don't run into any of these characters tbh

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maybe when I hit tk

stark salmon
plucky sky
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Boring doesn’t equal bad though

wintry dagger
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GOAT #2 has spoken

solid stirrup
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🎵 You about to get this (validation of your character) 🎵

reef geyser
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I AM DOING GOOD!!!!!!

solid stirrup
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This is totally random and like, a week late, but why were people thinking Bruce might have been the next dlc character? It seemed pretty certain that Josie had taken his spot in 7, and she's already been hinted at in the NY stage

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Not to shit on them for trying to manifest, just surprised he was brought up

obtuse nexus
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people love to press after blocking ff3 so a quick back dash electric or ss electric are great options

wintry dagger
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Presses X to doubt

solid stirrup
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That screenshot goes hard holy fuck

wintry dagger
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HachiMania running wild, brother

solid stirrup
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Honorary Leroy T7 theme for that one

wintry dagger
stark salmon
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obtuse nexus
plucky sky
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It didn't in 7 either

stark salmon
woeful zealot
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I now am the proud owner of t7

stark salmon
woeful zealot
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idk what that means

plucky sky
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Probably meant get emulators

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I’m assuming he’s gonna encourage you to play 5:DR and TTT2

solid stirrup
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Lil Majin is currently playing Lee dressed as Marduk lol

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(Unimportant but funny)

wintry dagger
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S2 is saved

rigid mortar
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Was that shown at combo breaker

zinc condorBOT
obtuse nexus
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My favorite mishima is finally back

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I'm gonna learn Fahk just to Fahk with people

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same, looks fun

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this wave of dlc looks promising

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only one I was interested in last season was hei

rigid mortar
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what happened to claudio in the last few patches? i swear on release he was bottom tier but now i see him in top 8 all the time

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ARMOR KING

stark salmon
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Can't start off S3 with hype

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Silence Season 1 Tekken King!
A Garyu has spoken!

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Although to his credit, I did hit this absolutely ridiculous combo

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Was hiding one and a third devil Jin/Jack pokes away, deserved

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If only Leroy had a gun

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Also I forgot, devil jin has long as pokes, right? Or I'm I just misremembering him fucking flying at you from full screen

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Okay, cool

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Been forever since I've seen a Devil Jin in tourney's or the vids I watch lol

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If Waffle House can't happen, Popeyes is an acceptable replacement

zinc condorBOT
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Motherfucker went into AOP there lol

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My man was doing Lei stances into AOP

reef geyser
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Tekken is so easy man

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Lars ftw

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Jack wanted that power crush something fierce

plucky sky
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Is that fucking Bobobobo

reef geyser
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I just realized there's a balance update less than 48 hours from now

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At launch, I did a Baiken Jun.

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Pretty sure I have a May costume for Asuka too