Tekken General

[cloud yoke]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1enj58a/super_akouma_explains_why_yoshimitsu_is_s_tier/

[wintry dagger]

So I re installed T8 on my xbox. Still have massive input lag AND my Xbox has no audio whatsoever

[stark salmon]

Yes I know

[wintry dagger]

Buff Devil Jin brother

[wintry dagger]

I've discovered some absolute bs Feng tech

Nowhere near the BS as Drag getting a rage art off F3 1+2

[wintry dagger]

Feng's kip up after Db1,2,4 makes getup kicks whiff

[wintry dagger]

Does not work against spring kicks

[stark salmon]

Story of my life

[solid stirrup]

Before I started watching I swore they were gonna plug on you

[stark salmon]

i had agressive "friend requests"

[cloud yoke]

Had at least 3 of those, where one of them were an invite to a private match (Jin player talking shit about mashing)

[wintry dagger]

This is poetry

Been grinding Feng ranked all afternoon and ran into this fucker

Specifically hit him with a Rage art and he plugged on my promotion

It don't matter in the end though because I got it

Now its time to get Lili to Fujin

[finite bridge]

Got 2-0’d by a Shaheen player named WeinerBoy last night

[cloud yoke]

The game says this is a whiff

[wintry dagger]

I have finally figured out my lag input issues in Xbox

[stark salmon]

but this is a mash game. Game for monkeys

75% of the entire tekken 8 players cannot play any OG titles yet alone 7

[wintry dagger]

They streamlined the all the technically difficult inputs from older Tekken games for T8

Generic throw game? Press either 1 or 2 to break the normal throws. (This im actually okay with)

Law DSS? Please. just hold an input and he automatically does it now after certain moves

Electrics? Let's make them require no timing in Heat and give Jin a way to do one always with no execution

Steve and Lee? The counter hitting timing dependent specialists? That doesn't work for me (Harada) brother. Lets Nerf Steve's B1 aand make Lee unga so people can win without having to time CH's

Jin? One of the most difficult characters to win with in T7? Nah that can't carry over in T8. Make him Ryu levels of easy to use and give him everything

[solid stirrup]

"He's the main character, he has to be easier to pick up and play"

[finite bridge]

Steve caught so many strays

Not even strays

They were like “fuck this dude”

Give all the counter hit to King

[cloud yoke]

I dunno why they would even give king every single thing in the game on top of grabs

he even has a 9f mid that's 0 on block

[plucky sky]

I dunno, the electric in heat thing isn’t that good imo, every character that has electric in heat would much rather use heat on other resources

[wintry dagger]

Its more so a mechanic that has been difficult to input for decades was suddenly made easier in T8.

Imagine if Lidia and Lee got free just frame inputs in Heat.

[plucky sky]

Uhhh Snake

Sorry to inform you

But Lee gets free just frames in heat

But imo, that’s a nothing change, they’re too expensive and you can still just do the normal just frame to consume no heat meter

[finite bridge]

Yeah and if you’re playing Lee you should be trying to get the just frames anyway

So it’s kind of like not even a benefit in heat

He doesn’t have that much else outside of that in heat, low heat smash is good, ff3 being a launcher w/ heat dash is good but other than that he’s just regular old Lee

I don’t really fight any Mishima players who can’t electric and then pop heat so they can

That’s a huge waste of the heat bar

The Law DSS change is so stupid tho

Law was already awesome in T7 for a range of different skill players, especially if you could do DSS stuff consistently

Now he’s just the goat all the time

[plucky sky]

Heat buffs his chip damage, and jf restores heat

[solid stirrup]

I actually think the easy electrics in heat thing isn’t good long term. Sure it makes new players feel cool because they can to the cool move without worrying about fucking up (which is what special style is for imo) but once people already have the game and are playing Jin because they want to they shouldn’t need that, and heat should go to something else

[woeful zealot]

Yeah imo this types of things are great in fighting games. You get to do the cool move while it's not as efficent and properly doing it, so you still have skill expression

[solid stirrup]

Yeah

It honestly feels like Heat mode ends up being "here's my gimmick, rah!" mode more than anything else, besides the added chip and damage

[solid stirrup]

Unless I'm misunderstanding where you fall on "easier electrics in heat" thing

[finite bridge]

Good point good point

I think less stuff going on than some other char’s heat

Jin really doesn’t do that much in heat either tbh but his heat smash is so crazy

I don’t think the Omen mixups are that good personally

[plucky sky]

They’re really good imo

It’s just

Omen is so tiny

So it ends up being really annoying and impractical getting into it

[finite bridge]

That’s the thing and honestly I see more Jin’s using heat for the smash and heat dash for combo or continued pressure

Omen for what it is I don’t think is the scariest thing for that reason u were saying like hard getting into it

[plucky sky]

I mean, it’s just a stronger wavedash mixup with better reward

[finite bridge]

yeah idk

I’m not that scared of it SPECIFICALLY I think everything else abt Jin is so strong omen looks weak-er compared to it

Don’t know if I’m articulating what I’m saying that well

[woeful zealot]

you are misunderstanding

[solid stirrup]

I see

I guess it’s just a feeling that once you get to a higher skill level the value of heat diminishes as you don’t need the accessibility it offers to less experienced players

But I think your point is valid about it being more efficient as a show of skill expression

[woeful zealot]

i just think it gives a nice progression track

[solid stirrup]

Fair

[woeful zealot]

new player
gets to do the cool move
mid player
gets to focus on optimizing without wasting heat
experienced player
gets to show good meter use and the cool move

[plucky sky]

Yeah 100%

Also a bunch of stuff like Jin being able to do electrics without heat or jf doesn’t really affect it much either

It’s in a similar position to heat electrics

Just worse imo

Cause it kinda just defeats the point of an electrics

It’s slow, so it can’t really whiff punish any better than WGF

For pressure, there isn’t really much of a point using it over Zen 3+4

The only place to use it is as a poke in neutral

It’s niche at best tbh

[finite bridge]

Could you crouch dash cancel from Zen in T7 like in T8? I don’t remember that

[plucky sky]

Yeah, kinda

It was a lot harder

[finite bridge]

yeah it’s so free now

Electrics from that are always electrics too

[plucky sky]

Yeah and as I said, it’s niche at best tbh

[finite bridge]

although crouch cancel into hellsweep is the option I get hit with way more

No yeah I agree with you for sure

[plucky sky]

Honestly

Have you tried the extremely funny thing of crouchdash into FC df4

[finite bridge]

The snake edge???

[plucky sky]

Yeah lmao

It’s so good at messing with people’s timing for fuzzy blocks

[finite bridge]

I’m 90% sure I’ve been hit with that by @brittle python

His collection of lows are so good

All so good for varying diff timings

[brittle python]

https://tenor.com/view/stallipiano-gif-26949640

[finite bridge]

LMFAO

[valid glen]

https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/1822497726619091431

[wintry dagger]

The more I play my stepson offline the more I start to agree

[solid stirrup]

Playing with people you care about is always going to be more fun than playing with randos

[cloud yoke]

Gimmicky Victors who rob new players with knowledge checks deserve everything and that

[rigid mortar]

can someone in as few words as possible, explain to me why people dont want marduk

[plucky sky]

High damage

Tackle

Knowledge checks

Tech traps

[rigid mortar]

Didn't you just describe dragnov

Actually I don't actually know what a tech trap is

[plucky sky]

If you don’t get up off the floor in a certain way

He will launch you

You will die

[plucky sky]

No, Marduk’s damage is higher lmao

[cloud yoke]

In Tekken 8 example : If you try to quick backroll after Victor's U1+2, he is able to hit you with D2.

Or whatever the fuck bryan does at the wall

[plucky sky]

Marduk has a ground grab that slams you to the floor and does like 40 damage

And also has one that does like 20 damage or something and launches

Though I think it’s slower

Also Marduk’s tackle stance is way scarier

[rigid mortar]

so hes king with less grapples

[finite bridge]

Arguably more tbh

[cloud yoke]

any mf that shares a simillar size to king can stay in 7

[finite bridge]

I believe there’s two variations of the ground grab too, that do diff damage, but two diff breaks

[cloud yoke]

i don't need another king, one is already enough

[finite bridge]

Marduk has more 50/50 focus I feel

In tekken 7 I feel like he had a HUGE robbery factor

[rigid mortar]

how come i never saw him in tekken 7 top 8s?

not that i watched a lot

[finite bridge]

not super a ton of representation from players who went to tourneys super hard, I think there was a few Korean Marduk players, The Jon (Pakistani player) played Marduk, Joey Fury also played Marduk, he was really good but that game had Geese, Akuma, Feng, Julia, Kuni, Katarina, Zafina, etc who were better than him

Marduk’s playstyle in that game is very Tekken 8 Esque imho

[solid stirrup]

Apparently Marduk's tackle has a shorter break window the further he is, with the shortest window being 2 frames

then once he tackles you down you have to guess which break to press, with him being able to fake out a few of the options

And also he could just stop before the tackle connects

Jaguar Sprint's evil older brother

[finite bridge]

Rage Drive tackle was like some launch Heat Smash shit

[real field]

Where do I start learning feng? I haven't touched the game since I switched to leverless but it's time to get back in

To clarify

Tekken doesn't seem to have a dustloop equivalent unless I'm wrong and just can't find it is there a guide out there that anyone would recommend

[cloud yoke]

In that order:

• Buttons (their properties, frame data, cancel options)
• flow(chart's) of your character in neutral (aproach tools/plan, starting mixups, mindgame layers)
• flow(chart's) of your character during your pressure (frametraps, spacing traps, pressure extensions, pressure layers)
• your character defensive tools (movement tools, evasive buttons, parries, high/low crushing moves)
• hit confirmble strings (Natural strings you can confirm in case of a hit, otherwise you can just not commit, ex: Victors b3>2)
• air combos/wall combos
• wall/ground oki setups
• character to character specific interactions (ex: King's giant throw tech/Lee's just frames/Which character can reach Feng on his back Kempo to how much they have to commit)

[real field]

Thank you so much!! It's hard to know where to start with so much going on I really appreciate this!

[cloud yoke]

No problem, as much as I do not play Feng I can teach Victor or Hwoarang, both matchup knowledge or how to play

[wintry dagger]

Where to go to learn all this, check YouTube or just look for Joka or pro matches. Rooflemoger has a 50 minute video on Feng but I haven't seen it. I learned him the old fashion way by just playing him blind

I still have to watch some combo videos for him too

My shits way un optimal

[cloud yoke]

Generally combo videos are good enough and can help with optimal combos

When it comes to pressure, flow of your character and button usage will naturally appear during the match

For example, Victor's f2,2,1,1

Every single hit of this godforsaken string is minus

From -12 to -15

the thing is due to how Victor is structured his f2,2,1,1 is very easily mistakeable with his other knife swing moves

and every button is very delayable

making it good for fishing for counters

[wintry dagger]

I will say its very easy to mental stack your opponent into plus frame hell with 1, df1, B3, B4 and the occasional 1 ,1 (which ch launches)

B1 not included in this because its punishable

[cloud yoke]

It's minus ?

[wintry dagger]

Its like -12 I think

[cloud yoke]

I'm going to have so much fun with this information.

[wintry dagger]

Yeah -12

[real field]

not saying rooflemonger doesn't know his stuff and I'll give the feng one a go but his reina and king videos felt pretty uh

how to put this

I think it shows that he wanted to make 50 minute videos for every character is all

it's a decent base to start with but I think he really could stand to edit down those videos to 20 or so minutes each and they'd benefit a lot from it

still, definitely faster than mashing my face against buttons in training mode and laboriously taking notes about every single move's frame data

[wintry dagger]

I personally don't like Rooflemongers Tekken videos but that's just me. And I'm also not watching a 50 minute video from a non Tekken player. Now of PhiDx, Main man, or a pro player like Fergus did a 50 minute guide on Feng, I'd watch the it at least twice

To get you started on your Tio Feng journey here's a handful of key moves. In no order

Df1 universal mid for every character. Feng's is neutral on block. (Most are like -2) if this counter hits it makes the opponent fall down and guarantees a B3

B3. TIO A 22 frame startup +6 on block knee attack. Use this for a free mixup

B1+2 Feng's infamous shoulder. If you see an opponents attack whiff whip out the shoulder for juicy damage and a heat engage. Fair Warning you're getting launched of the opponent blocks this attack.

DB3 is one of the best low attacks in the game, plus on hit and on CH gives Feng a free back turn mixup

B1 is a 10 frame high attack and on CH gives a free knockdown into shoudler. (You may have to microdash first)

UF4 is his hopkick. If you block a rage art or call out a low attack or throw use this to launch the opponent

This is nowhere near every note worthy moves he has. I'm just too tired to write more

[real field]

TIO?

DB3 is only SEVENTEEN FRAMES OF STARTUP WHAAAAAAAAT

[real field]

thanks for the help!! I'm entering a beginner tournament saturday and figure that's a good motivation to actually learn this game on hitbox/actually learn feng like I've wanted to for awhile now

[solid stirrup]

@real field Roofle's video for Feng focused on 10 go to moves for him, his stances, general game plan and a few combos at the end. I personally thought it was good intro to the character and seemed to me like a decent "here's the vibe" point

It's not necessary obviously, and you can learn it from other sources such as the more experienced here, but more resources isn't always a bad thing as long as we don't overwhelm you

(which if I ever do just let me know lol)

[real field]

👍

[real field]

Am I crazy or does Lidia do REALLY high damage?

Guy who mains slayer: Getting big slayer vibes from the mixup character who does giant damage on short combos

Also really dumb question I'm sure: what's the advantage of heat engage attacks? The shoulder check with feng I get that it's really good but isn't going into heat a commitment that you need to weight against throwing the really good button out? Like am I misunderstanding how the game works or is it not better to keep it in reserve for a bit if you can?

It feels like a resource that's easy to squander

[cloud yoke]

Not really.
Every heat engager is +17 on block, guaranteeing you a mixup of your chosing. Feng, due to how his moves work, can naturally extend his pressure after the heat engager with 3+4, giving Feng a backturn mixup

Heat engagers effectively skip neutral game on hit and force the oponent to block due to sheer amount of plus frames you have.

[real field]

OH

and I assume that goes away once you're out of heat?

I feel so stupid not realizing it gives plus frames given sometimes I get btfo for using it on block and sometimes they just kind of stand there LMAO

Wait

His engager can be back 3+4 then 3+4 then you have them in a mix?

Can you believe people say every character in strive has some BS when Tekken is right here my god LMAO

[cloud yoke]

Yes,
Some moves can only be used during heat. I do generaly do not know feng notations, however it is really hard to challenge him in heat

[real field]

I know his one inch punch looking thing is terrifyingly strong in heat

It's so fast and does so much and is so plus

[cloud yoke]

Feng is running around robbing people, nuff said.

[real field]

Burns like 1/3 the gauge but

[cloud yoke]

what punch ?

[real field]

If there's a character in this game who doesn't I haven't seen them yet

[real field]

I'd have to boot the game back up I just woke up but I think it's back 1

Or maybe back 2

His forward arm hits out a slight bit (but he keeps it totally far forward normally so I mean) and it makes a loudass explosion

Also I'm so used to Steve and Reina it's weird playing a character whose kicks are Not like theirs at all

[real field]

back 1 yeah

[cloud yoke]

Seph the b1 in heat is -8.

[wintry dagger]

If that was plus in heat I'd be so happy

Not really though

Would rather use the heat meter for 3+4 oki pressure

[cloud yoke]

shit is punishable by default, it is comparable to Laws nunchucks

[wintry dagger]

I'd say Df3 is more comparable to Laws nunchuckw but I do see the resemblance

[real field]

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP EATING IT????

I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS PLUS?????

[cloud yoke]

Feng

[real field]

I'm in green ranks when do people start blocking lows and stop assuming I can't

I fought an asuka whose entire gameplan was go for sweeps

how did you make it to green with that

[real field]

is this what it's like to pick a top tier

I just like the aesthetic of evil kung fu monk man

[cloud yoke]

With Feng anything below red ranks is free

[cloud yoke]

People do not know the matchups

[cloud yoke]

King is another good example

[real field]

also at first I was kind of eh about the thing that lets you just mash buttons to do combos but I've turned around because beating someone's ass so bad they turn on easy input mode and then you still beat their ass and then they refuse the rematch is fucking so good

I have never felt such a high from a fighting game before

[cloud yoke]

easy input mode puts you in disadvantage due to how fighting games work

[real field]

why is every character I like in this game a knowledge check 😢

[real field]

SURE DOES

[cloud yoke]

You sacrifice fast pokes

[real field]

it's so amazing to watch

[cloud yoke]

Any string you could have

to a canned mixup which is minus on block

[real field]

it's so hilarious

it's not even like sf6 modern where there's like, situations that it doesn't just suck

nobody's using that shit in tourney

it's like watching someone try to pull a gun and it sticks in the holster LMAO

[cloud yoke]

seeing anybody pull this up is announcing "I like drawing an empty chamber in duels"

[wintry dagger]

You don't lose points in green ranks and below so there's really no incentive to learn defense until Yellow

[wintry dagger]

I'd add purple ranks to that too. Took me under 2 hours to grind Feng from Shinryu to Fujin this past weekend

[cloud yoke]

Fair.

[wintry dagger]

Why in the actual fuck does Jack have a 12 frame high crushing low attack?

And a 15 frame homing Mid? That's a launcher on normal hit?

And idc that its launch punishable

[rigid mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/punch-dbz-excuse-me-cell-android16-gif-13911120

i unno if im the only one who thinks of android 16 when looking and talking about jack

[wintry dagger]

And an 11 frame launching throw???

[real field]

Initial verdict after playing more

• leverless feels like I have less consistent control than gamepad but gamepad fucked my wrists bad so it's worth the swap (strive and SF both feel way better on leverless for contrast)

• feng is so damned cool

• why does it have to be that all the characters I most love are either knowledge checking pub stomping picks that are mega easy to scrub through low rank victories on (king, feng, law, Steve are all characters I've tried) or are Reina

I feel like I'm the villain and I don't like it :(

[delicate merlin]

If ever you wanna learn the Jack or King MU, LMK!

[real field]

you know King? I have lots of King questions

King is my favorite but I wanted to not play him as much because I was concerned about leaning too heavily on tactics that work in green and won't later on and then having to unlearn them

but then it occurred to me learning defense as a character with (I'm told?) the worst defense in the game makes it so I can transfer that knowledge to any character and also know I for sure won because I outplayed my opponent instead of purely knowledge checking if that makes any sense

tekken has so many characters that are so cool it's hard to pick but King is 100% my guy. pro wrestlers are cool and I can make him into a big dumb john cena costume that makes me giggle everry time I look at it

(I'd probably play gief in SF if I didn't loathe how 360 inputs feel on leverless)

if it's cool I'd like to DM you some questions, a replay, etc. so I don't drown the forum in King questions LMAO

[finite bridge]

Eljay’s King and Jack are no joke

[real field]

jack is really cool but I spent 5 minutes in practice mode with him and he feels extremely bizarre to me. mad respect for anyone who's good at him tbh I can't hate it

[wintry dagger]

Idk why but Drag just does not click for me

[delicate merlin]

I can try to give you some pointers as I’m a Gief player who’s new to leverless. We played the other day. I’m down to play more some time.

HMU about King and other Tekken Q’s

[delicate merlin]

I’ll try to answer your questions. I’m more of a Jack player in 8, but King is my second

[real field]

👍 just woke up will get back to you

[real field]

what's killing me is I can do 632146 fifteen times in a row fast on leverless no issues, and I can even do king's 641236 grabs just fine, but the instant up has to get involved in a chain of inputs my hand goes "absolutely not. unforgivable."

[real field]

I don't think I understand the backturn mixup at all, what am I missing? it's like it depends on them walking into me to work?

[wintry dagger]

Feng BT is basically a 4 way mixup. Learn which strings you can transition to and you'll be plus and force the opponent to guess a high, a mid, launching low or a throw

[real field]

👍

[real field]

btw I managed to catch a bear quitting on video and it's glorious

https://youtu.be/2RWOVBS10tk?si=SujbCf35Kh_qkQHm&t=119

timestamped

[wintry dagger]

I'm more amazed that bear ate four snake edges before blocking

[real field]

RIGHT? LMFAO

[solid stirrup]

People just quitting midway through a match but not plugging is so depressing

Like die with dignity

[real field]

And it was the exact time I forgot the input for the split kick too lmfao so he just stood there and watched me whiff the whole time

Amazing

[real field]

My feng is getting better, as is my adaptation. For context I think this was my first match against a jin, at least I don't remember fighting one before this, and I used to eat the same shit endlessly from any character and not adapt to shit

https://youtu.be/jySkElRFdN4?si=Zhk4_W5BRBHHX2Nt

Especially proud of round 5

[real field]

I'm so mad I wasn't getting anything out of BT because moving cancels the stance

that's why I was so confused

this stance is goofy af

also how tf does anyone pick a main in this game, like 70% of the cast are winners and the other 30% are still pretty cool

there's like no one in this game I don't think is rad af

[stark salmon]

@wintry dagger test the skills of him

[wintry dagger]

We played this morning

Check your dms in a second

[real field]

tekken is a very humbling game

[stark salmon]

8 is

[real field]

to my immense surprise I find absolutely nothing about the game to be unfair or bullshit, I just find a lot of things beyond me. but also I'm new, so I'm less mad about that than I am overwhelmed by the enormity of Tekken LMAO

that is my takeaway so far

also I'm probably trying to learn it the most assbackwards difficult way possible so I can't really be surprised it's slow going

I went from Strive to SF6 and went "wow, I feel like I completely understand the rules here immediately" and then with Tekken it's the complete opposite.

[wintry dagger]

Wait until you fight Alisa or Yoshi, you'll be calling them bullshit within two rounds

[real field]

I've fought both!

the chainsaw's chip is intense and some of the rocket movement is wild, but I have yet to fight someone whose gameplan is exist the entire screen away from me and shoot me, and I have no choice but to hold that pressure and chip until they run out of bullets, so I mean

[finite bridge]

Me everytime I get hit by the Unblockable sword sweep 😐

[real field]

was that as ominous as it sounded

[wintry dagger]

Nothing bad lol. I send Near some clips every so often and ask him to critique me

[real field]

oh okay good LMAO

I thought it might be "this dude is SO TERRIBLE I don't wanna say it in the chat though but yeah he sucks" LMAO

[wintry dagger]

And no I didn't send any clips from when we play

Mostly from people who curb stomp me and when I have no idea what they did

[real field]

👍

this sounds a good strategy for growth

[wintry dagger]

Me every time I get hit with Flash

That seriously needs to lose against lows and throws

[finite bridge]

Flash is a bruh moment

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/BuffGigas/status/1824892469194170652?t=AimU90AUjO2OHcnCWjhHZw&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/BuffGigas/status/1824892469194170652

[wintry dagger]

Fuck no

[stark salmon]

https://prnt.sc/rfylU4FLObMb

[wintry dagger]

No Asuka for you

[stark salmon]

W H Y

[wintry dagger]

You don't get to main the two characters in the game with an EX DP

Go play Drag

Lol

[stark salmon]

You C E R T A I N !

[stark salmon]

but im a K A Z A M A M A I N

[wintry dagger]

Yes if Y O U W AN T T O R A N K UP

[wintry dagger]

I'm not typing like that again. Main kazama family only. Jun, Jin and DVJ

Unless Harada suddenly retcons Asuka to be Jun's daughter or something else

[stark salmon]

she is from the clan

that counts it

[wintry dagger]

[brittle python]

I don’t even have the DLC

But this is a sign

[wintry dagger]

Played my real life friend in online tekken this morning. Won 5-0 then he claimed it was lagging too bad and he would win offline.

I called his bluff, and challenged him to a money match at his apartment.

Sadly the local vs screen doesn't show the win column post match but I won $200 off him

Beat him in two separate FT5's. Each one worth $100

[stark salmon]

damn you are accepting money matches ?

[wintry dagger]

It was an offer I couldn't refuse

Luckily he lives like 15 minutes away

[real field]

Don't you just love making money off egos?

[solid stirrup]

https://youtu.be/jiIee-7SyvQ

This shit is too good lol

[cloud yoke]

Chatroom do I play real tekken now ?

[cloud yoke]

DraNeverLostAMewingStreakgunov

[wintry dagger]

I agree with a nice chunk of this tier list

[cloud yoke]

Somebody got half their tierlist ass backwards but that's nice

[finite bridge]

Bruh where r these king players and why are they living under the delusion that their character sucks ?????????????

No way??????

[cloud yoke]

Lmao raven and king in the same tier

[solid stirrup]

It's a downplay tierlist

[solid stirrup]

Lil Majin. He's been big depressed King doesn't play like he did in 7

And also that he has to learn a new game, if I'm being honest

[finite bridge]

I be forgetting Lil Majin even exist he don’t compete anymore

[solid stirrup]

He says he only goes to tourneys to try and win, and he def isn't in the position to win any now, so right now is more or less his extended training arc

[finite bridge]

yeah… I don’t really buy that, I think he’s just clocked out, he didn’t even compete that much post his evo run

Godbless him tho

[solid stirrup]

Yeah, I can see that

He had the one run and now everyone's like "do it again!" And he's either got to play along to keep getting streamer money or tell them "no it's not gonna happen" and deal with losing the fan base that wants him to "do it again"

[obtuse nexus]

@wintry dagger
Chainsaw starter
1,1 (1+2)
F2 (1+2)
Cr 1+2 (1+2)
WR 2 (1+2)
UF2 (1+2) HE
F2, 1 HE
3, 2 HE
Chainsaw Stance
F1+2 Mid Plus goes into F3, 2, 1 on Hit
F1 High Plus
2, 1 Mid Launcher
F2, 1, 2 Mid HE
B2, 1 Mid Low combo
D1 Low
Neutral
1, 2, D2 High high low jab combo
DF1, 1, 2 Mid High High Chainsaw Starter guaranteed on CH
F4 Fast Mid Poke
B1 Mid Poke leaves her on Cr state
DF2 Mid Safe Launcher
B4, 4 Mid Whiff Punish tool goes into 3+4, 1, 2, 1, 3+4
D4, 1+2 Low Poke safe on block
Combos
DF2, DF1, 1, F2, UF1, 3, F3 F1
B4, 4, 3+4, 1, 2, 1, 3+4

Idk if this is good for anything
It's just a guide that I usually keep on my phone to remember shit as I play

[wintry dagger]

Add D3 to your list

And UF1

Df2, UF1 uf1 is the easiest 68 damage in the games

[obtuse nexus]

I will try those moves out soon
Lol

[cloud yoke]

Live Victor reaction to that information:

[stark salmon]

Tekken God When ?

[cloud yoke]

Never, I'm fucking done

[wintry dagger]

Meant to post this yesterday but Leroy's T7 theme should just automatically play whenever someone plugs

Its so fitting

[real field]

LMFAO

Does anyone know Xiaoyu? I had a friend try the game who was new and I picked brand new characters and she felt REALLY good to play even though I barely knew what I was doing

[cloud yoke]

Nah chief you're on your own for this one
Every single time I play against that character i just gamble

[real field]

Then into uncharted territory I voyage

After I do a beginner bracket tonight as feng

[stark salmon]

hella evasive but if someone knows how to lock her down she will be locked down

[real field]

I noticed her movement on offense looks really weird

It's hard for me to tell what she's doing at any given time

Maybe a good character to learn how to defend on? King has been uh. Not that.

I thought "this character has terrible defense so I'll learn defense on him" but in practice it was less that more "I'm gonna get double perfected get tilted and send it and learn nothing"

[stark salmon]

they will not defend but evade

[wintry dagger]

If your opponent knows the matchup you're gonna struggle. But absolutely no one knows the matchup in blue ranks and TK lol

[stark salmon]

Embrace offline and lobbies. Fuck Ranked

[real field]

Is evasion not just another facet of defense in Tekken?

[stark salmon]

Yeap. But i meant "blocking"

[wintry dagger]

I know all of Leroy's moves that snipe her out of AOP and when that happens, 90% of Xiaoyu's crumble

[real field]

AOP?

[stark salmon]

d 1+2 stance

[wintry dagger]

Art of Phoenix

[real field]

Gotcha

is that where you get those ridiculous spin lowe

[wintry dagger]

The stance where she crouches way too low to the ground and can dodge like 90% of all moves

[stark salmon]

@wintry dagger In toronto server, play against LingMajor

[wintry dagger]

That server is irritating me ngl

[stark salmon]

how come ?

[wintry dagger]

I asked yesterday why Lee has Azucena's launch Running 3+2 and all I got in response was "He needs it and learn the matchup"

[stark salmon]

let me know next time who said that and I will let you know who they are

Most are chill worry not

[wintry dagger]

Tbf though, it is entirely possible someone answered and I haven't seen it yet

Haven't opened that server since then

[stark salmon]

Play those people more and you ll improve big time

Then I will take you on seriously

[wintry dagger]

@stark salmon when he pulls up for real

[stark salmon]

if I pick my Baiken Outfit, I d not play around 😂😂

[real field]

LMFAO

[real field]

this is funny as shit and I also didn't know it was leroy's theme

I made it ortiz farm theme and it's funny as shit to have this rap over sheep ambling around

[wintry dagger]

I've got Yodeling in the hills as the Ortiz farm theme

Only acceptable answer imo

[wintry dagger]

I shed a tear of happiness. Ngl

[stark salmon]

do I see 13 win streak?

[wintry dagger]

Yes you do

Its now 17

Ranked

Half way through flame ruler

[cloud yoke]

Guys im getting my ass BEAT in quick match due to higher rank

please send help

[wintry dagger]

Send some replays

Oh wait I can just search by friends

[stark salmon]

welcome to the high ranks but TK i would not consider a high rank

But have fun

[wintry dagger]

Justin Wong's voice Welcome to the real world!

You gonna learn today!

[stark salmon]

i gotta hunt you sometime 😂😂

[wintry dagger]

It ended at 22

One and done Zafina

[stark salmon]

on ps, i have 40+ streak

Ended when I reached TK 😔😔

[wintry dagger]

My Xbox Feng has a 30 win ranked streak

But that really doesn't count because I'm technically surfing

@stark salmon hit Fujin with Jun

[stark salmon]

TK Jun When ?

@wintry dagger also for throws use uf 1+2 throw. Free Oki and i12 throw

[wintry dagger]

I was hitting you with that throw in the damn beta lol. Its a part of my arsenal.

Although I gotta find what moves to use immediately after it

So far its BD3 and Df4

[stark salmon]

db4 or f2

[wintry dagger]

Before I forget again @stark salmon

Is this optimal or am I missing something?

If the wall isn't there I end the combo with IZ 1,2 for the back turn knockdown

70 damage

[stark salmon]

try this.

CH UF3, d1+2 T! Gen4, Jab, FF 2,3 (Wall Splat), UF4,3, MIA,2

[stark salmon]

I would not recommend. You can do B2,1,f, GEN Cancel for crouch mix.

Or if you wanna finish it, b2,1,f,Gen 2

FYI: for, Wall Combo enders there are 2.

UF4,3, MIA 2 is for damage

DB 1+2 Mash(I dont know the full input) is for health

But I will give you the third option which is ff3,3+4

For Oki

[real field]

I like how xiaoyu feels

I can feel it's gonna take forever, forever forever forever, to actually understand fuck-all

my learning strategy atm is going to be, I have a big list of all her noteworthy moves (allegedly) and I'm learning a section at a time until I have them memorized and can feel out when and where to use them in a match.

then I add another section.

it's gonna look real jank to watch me play until all the 'puzzle pieces' are put together but once they are, fuck yeah it's time to rock

[plucky sky]

Learn the key moves

There should be multiple guides

[tropic sedge]

https://vxtwitter.com/EWC_EN/status/1825989647605920186

I thought he was just another random guy called Neymar wtf😭

[real field]

That's the goal lmao

I've played her for like 7 hours total

"Key moves" for Xiaoyu is a list 16-40 long depending on how you factor

https://youtu.be/J4fQW01Zymg?si=lTUqjIIvrzeriVdP

With some characters you can ignore stances early but Xiaoyu really came out here like "you WILL know two stances and their best options + her best neutral options and then you'll ONLY be okay outside heat because not knowing hypnotist makes your heat pressure massively weaker"

[wintry dagger]

I've fought more Lings that don't use Hypnotist than actually use it tbh.

If you learn like two flowcharts with her you'll win way more than you should because very few people know the match-up and her natural evasion males her hard to punish

[real field]

I would rather have a 5% winrate for the next 3 months than consistently win without understanding why

[wintry dagger]

Like she has a launching 1+2 throw that i think can only be done from back turn.Learn a combo from that throw and there's one flowchart

[real field]

do you mean the one you can combo off of for ~70?

[wintry dagger]

Idk because I barely play Xiaoyu but when I get home I'll find it

[real field]

you can actually do that one from neutral

BT-only throw where you jump is the one that's undodgeable and then there's the three hop throws that are completely ambiguous from BT

there's a throw where she steps behind you, shoves you back and you slowly fall to the ground. optimal combo after is like 70 damage. she can just do that from neutral. it's wild

learning that move is how I learned this games have throws that go into guaranteed combos which is fucking nuts

I thought that was some oldass guilty gear shit and like. that was it. nope!

[real field]

tbh I cannot overstate how cool I think hypnotist is and how much I am absolutely going to be learning how to use it once I have more of the basics down

basically my current plan in order is

• learning neutral buttons that are good, how to use them, when to use them, and keep track of what's safe, how safe it is, things that are only safe at range, etc., as well as what I can punish with what, etc. [I am here right now.]
• hammer home optimal stance swap moves until I have them memorized. [this is going to be a massive pain, my brain hates holding onto this info.]
• use AOP to dodge belligerent high/mid spam and then throw something fast to punish. (yes she has much better options; I don't want to build a habit of 'AoP solves everything' so I'm intentionally playing sub-optimal with it. I want it to be a counter-offense/utility/evasion etc. tool first, a damage option second)
• use BT to force pressure; my main focus with learning it is practicing fast attacks and then the hop mixup between 1 of 3 throws and just going straight into mids to keep people from ducking
• learn and practice heat pressure strings with hypnotist [they are so fucking good omg]
• learn the rest of my neutral moves that matter
• learn how to use BT more effectively - mix, pressure, etc.
• learn how to use AOP for actual mix
• practice the most disgusting oki setups I can find
• now that I have everything I need to feel like I understand the character, master her combo game

to explain the philosophy re: AOP, it's extremely strong and if you go into it constantly it will work great until suddenly it doesn't and you're fucked. it's like if your entire strat with king is chain grabs. what do you do when people start ducking? you have no plan.

that said whenever I fight hwoarang you better believe I'm in AOP 90% of the time take your high pressure to someone who cares kick-man

[plucky sky]

That’s not that bad

Kazuya has like

A lot

[cloud yoke]

Try learning 4 different stances and transisions between them
(It's piss easy, literally just a flowchart)

[real field]

every mishima's like that yeah

[real field]

I mean these things are relative

I'm used to strive

strive I can win with 6 moves

[cloud yoke]

In strive nago's clone can do your taxes while conducting a therapy session and making you dinner in the background

[finite bridge]

Nago….

[wintry dagger]

My main when I played season 1 strive

Good times

[finite bridge]

War crime character

[wintry dagger]

[wintry dagger]

HC literally made you play Red Light Green light

That violates the fighting game Geneva convention

[finite bridge]

just because there’s one fucked up character in the game doesn’t mean your fucked up character is valid all of a sudden

[woeful zealot]

Nago is way less fucked up than hc and leo and slayer

[real field]

give me a fullscreen meterless projectile stuffer and I'll hear you out

(low hitting, can't forget it hits low)

[woeful zealot]

Clone does not hit low

Furthermore

slayer role
Learn to Kara 236k and now you have a much better full screen option

[real field]

Beyblade, sorry you have so many you mixed them up mb

[real field]

Show me where that beats a projectile that's already out and I'll listen

[woeful zealot]

Fukyo beyblade is a 29f low that costs a lot of a resource

[real field]

True, it DOES help you get a yrc faster

And increase your range

Wait this is Tekken what are we doing

[woeful zealot]

If you are seriously complaining about beyblade while playing slayer I can't help you

[real field]

I'm complaining I don't get to have one

I don't have trouble beating it I just don't see where you're getting that slayers any more BS than nago is

But you know what's REALLY op?

https://youtu.be/FDc6VsoEN_M?si=H--HWmS7Ieyi2U2c

This devil jin is unstoppable

How could anyone match his tech

[woeful zealot]

Too good

[stark salmon]

the only DJ player that Qudans is afraid of

[wintry dagger]

My Leroy is now Raijin

Went through a gauntlet of Brians

And one Asuka

Duck Asuka

[finite bridge]

The Nago downplay in this chat is wild… but Godbless y’all… we play that Tekken

[wintry dagger]

I don't remember S1 Nago enough to downplay him lol

[rigid mortar]

https://x.com/tekkendocs/status/1826348560704774260

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/tekkendocs/status/1826348560704774260

[rigid mortar]

damn no more looking through 12 year old google docs?

[finite bridge]

It’s -3 on block … next

that’s off the DOME

[wintry dagger]

Did you just... reply to a bot?

[obtuse nexus]

Don't judge.
I do that too

LMAO

Not my fault the bot is now with the big image/video

[wintry dagger]

That's how they become sentient and how Skynet takes over

[obtuse nexus]

Someday...
We'll be saved from ourselves

[wintry dagger]

John Connor will lead us to the promise land

[finite bridge]

I’m educating that bot on the matchup

[cloud yoke]

Met a law player
At least he's honest

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/KingJae/status/1827089088538689625?t=zWodx7jYhtKkHIhwqIehFg&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/KingJae/status/1827089088538689625

[wintry dagger]

What Drag vs Drag does to a man

[wintry dagger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/s/0reAFB8qQ2

[zinc condor]

https://rxddit.com/r/Tekken/s/0reAFB8qQ2

[wintry dagger]

#bringbackChristie

[finite bridge]

Ulsan is THE GOAT

THE GOATTTT

[cloud yoke]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1ezsqnn/oh_well/

[rigid mortar]

https://x.com/Speedkicks/status/1827421488976425419

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/Speedkicks/status/1827421488976425419

[rigid mortar]

ive never seen this angle before, im going to steal it

[wintry dagger]

I can't take Victor players seriously

Round start U1+2 works in green ranks

[rigid mortar]

does anyone know what characters placed 1st second and 3rd in that saudi tourny?

[real field]

can you teach me how to leroy sometime he looks really cool

[wintry dagger]

Definitely. He's probably one of the easiest characters to learn so it shouldn't take long

[stark salmon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_2hCz5CYMM

[wintry dagger]

Reason #1064 I turn off crossplay

[stark salmon]

they do that on console too

[wintry dagger]

You can lag switch on console?

[stark salmon]

Of fucking course!

[wintry dagger]

TIL

[cloud yoke]

J i n K a z a m a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsVc06ny2u0

[stark salmon]

https://youtu.be/QmPp3y_AwfU?si=-hWAV2OGPueLkrh1

[wintry dagger]

Isn't there one of these where Jin walks past Panda and she just starts following him too?

[stark salmon]

https://x.com/asukathesparrow/status/1828115826722943344?s=46

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/asukathesparrow/status/1828115826722943344

[stark salmon]

Ask Ganryu, thats his fantasy

[wintry dagger]

I thought his fantasy was ||Mother/Daughter||

[wintry dagger]

Quick match is putting me with Gods of Destruction every so often.

I've barely played T8 in about week and this was my first match

Won the set so I did something right

[stark salmon]

https://fxtwitter.com/clamslk/status/1829519629947163020?s=46

Why fight when you can kiss your homies

[rigid mortar]

https://x.com/Brawlpro/status/1829498950354649289?t=8DBiecU2pJiPhIMA5oY5Ew&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/Brawlpro/status/1829498950354649289

[wintry dagger]

More impressed at the Soul Calibur II reference

[rigid mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKhZQwWz6wU

[stark salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/tekken-kazuya-wavedash-pov-first-person-gif-26851822

[finite bridge]

Door Dasher: come outside I need to hellsweep ya

He knocks on ur door and he’s holding the food: Hana Shiri Naranha

https://tenor.com/view/kazuya-kazuya-mishima-mishima-devil-tekken-gif-27638282

[wintry dagger]

Bro literally lost half his health because I ducked a high

[stark salmon]

therefore I do 1,2,4 to give a middle finger to my opponent

[wintry dagger]

I really don't get why more Jun's don't use that string just as a middle finger

[stark salmon]

they do not know the character and carried by string cheese

[wintry dagger]

Painful reminder of the risks accepting wifi matches

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/TEKKEN_Project/status/1830534842813235566?t=1NrC9Pl84ErwGtOKe-JDbg&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/TEKKEN_Project/status/1830534842813235566

[wintry dagger]

"Modifications to some characters skills"

RIP Drag, Yoshi and Alisa????

[finite bridge]

prolly just gonna be bug fixes

minor nerfs

[cloud yoke]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1f747ev/peak_moment_of_tekken8s_hitbox/

Press X to believe in your heart

[cloud yoke]

Live reaction

[wintry dagger]

RIP drag getting a guaranteed Rage Art after F3,1+2

[wintry dagger]

This has me actually debating who from Tekken could realistically beat Scorpion

Now yes Drag is SSS tier, but one spear and rip Drag

[stark salmon]

yeah it is a thing but fuck it let us nerf DJ

[wintry dagger]

And Leroy too for old times sake

[stark salmon]

nerfing Leroy is something i Approve

[wintry dagger]

RIP Nina getting 70 damage off a low parry

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/Yellow_Motion/status/1830914390868054099?t=qATxWgtV7Mbu2mTDFosfRg&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/Yellow_Motion/status/1830914390868054099

[wintry dagger]

@obtuse nexus Hawaiian outfits

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/HateLetter2/status/1830796380966629507?t=gvkBtWIWAAD_zbz4RWegzQ&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/HateLetter2/status/1830796380966629507

[cloud yoke]

12% top vs literal beginner, name a more classic duo

[finite bridge]

Lol why is that dude playing some beginner complaining abt special style

Lili df1 df1 df1 df1 df1 df1

[cloud yoke]

Bryan be the type of a guy to T-pose during his rage art
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe2Rag58S9o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaVlMmUABR0

[wintry dagger]

As much as I hate Tekken reddit, they've got the memes

[finite bridge]

LOL

D2 is so dumb

Jin got the best set of lows in the game free

[stark salmon]

d2 is actually -20. And depending on monitor the move can reactable

On PC, It is hella reactable. Even on PC, Asuka's D1+2 is reactable. I confirmed this with KingReyJR

[wintry dagger]

Monitor? Us console players are screwed lol

[stark salmon]

oh no in crossplay game you guys are fucking our systems because your specs cannot keep up

[wintry dagger]

Likewise

Legit why i have cross play turned off

[rigid mortar]

https://x.com/PhiDXGames/status/1831098020772917267

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/PhiDXGames/status/1831098020772917267

[wintry dagger]

Stepson beat a Raijin Jin in ranked 2-0

[solid stirrup]

The Raijin had to get the download on your stepson and he still won. Amazing

[wintry dagger]

Lili players can't escape the allegations

And I don't mean wifi

[jovial epoch]

Are we relegated to a thread?

[solid stirrup]

I mean, it's a strive casual server. The main focus is gonna be all things strive

[cloud yoke]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1f8dm65/tekken_animality/

fckn hate lars
https://www.rxddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1f8a1gt/another_reason_to_hate_lars_downplayers_are_still/

[stark salmon]

I open my PS and this is the first message i see

[cloud yoke]

It is stressing to see Eddy players mash their way to the highest rank

[wintry dagger]

Sometimes I'm glad I set my messages to private

[stark salmon]

make it public and have fun 😂😂

[wintry dagger]

Last time I had it set to open a yoshi got made I one and doned him

Then I proceeded to 5-0 his ass in a custom

I need to be in a mood to deal with salty tekken players

@stark salmon you still looking for anti Leroy tips? Lol

[stark salmon]

yes i need some familarity

[wintry dagger]

@stark salmon

LITERALLY THE FIRST SET AFTER I SET MY MESSAGES TO PUBLIC

[wintry dagger]

I'm free this evening if you want to play. Can do VC if that's easier

[stark salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/man-handsome-man-young-man-dressed-up-suit-up-gif-22249765

You're

[wintry dagger]

Fake ethernet Paul player who mains law

[stark salmon]

yeah we can do that. Even though im fighting to not get a flu

[wintry dagger]

Do you want to run Leroy and I'll run Jun?

[stark salmon]

No you run Leroy. Bloody hell i know nothing on Leroy

throw at me something I need to study those replays

Also I want to introduce the Toronto Man Jin

[wintry dagger]

You want generic Leroy flowcharts or heavy frame pressure?

[stark salmon]

you play your own game.

Throw at me everything you have. Be hella serious like we are in a money match

[wintry dagger]

Sounds good

[stark salmon]

thats how we gotta train 🙌

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-training-dragon-ball-z-gravity-training-anime-gif-26624125

[wintry dagger]

Sounds good. Ling me whenever you're on

Ping

No Ling's here

[finite bridge]

It’s him 👀😳👀

https://fxtwitter.com/dennymazku/status/1789056533344534819?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

[stark salmon]

That video made me so laugh I had to build him. And low key taught me how to Jin. I just gotta chill

[finite bridge]

it makes me lose it djbdndjdbdb

[stark salmon]

https://streamable.com/aagc8i

@finite bridge you just gotta chill

[finite bridge]

I need to learn Jin too tbh

[stark salmon]

start with that custom 😂

[wintry dagger]

Start with D2 /s

[stark salmon]

@wintry dagger Pull Up

[wintry dagger]

Bet

You playing on PC or console?

[jovial epoch]

How it feels fighting kings on tekken ranked

https://tenor.com/view/nicolas-cage-not-the-bees-wicker-man-scream-yell-gif-17637487

[wintry dagger]

What rank are you in right now? I'd rather fight King than Law, Asuka and Alisa lol

[jovial epoch]

Flame ruler

Alisa is a similiar experience

[wintry dagger]

Soon enough King will get replaced by even more Alisa, Law, Drag, Jin, Yoshi and every other high tier character

[finite bridge]

https://fxtwitter.com/daydreamerdex/status/1831241599742861677?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

[finite bridge]

When you think they’re gonna do something in heat… then you twitch slightly and they press heat smash

King players just mash on that heat smash

It’s diabolical

idk what’s worse that or Jin’s heat smash

Jin’s heat smash on block near the wall into wall slump …. getting into contact with that breaks your spirits

[jovial epoch]

I can pull up the replay

IMMEDIATE heat smash

Twice in a row

I just did sidestep kneebar and it was fun all around

[finite bridge]

They stay doing that shit

[real field]

I play Xiaoyu in part because I fought an Alisa and beat them by sidestepping and hitting twice then waiting and sidestepping over and over and over

And it was addicting

Throw your -10000 launching linear mid again please there's no way I'll sidestep it this time you got this

[wintry dagger]

Bro immediately hopped on Apex after this match

[stark salmon]

https://youtu.be/XpKhnMuhCts?si=stiiD_WRH99r-LYN

[wintry dagger]

Take a look at the dudes inputs. He's gonna be doing that to buy himself a new controller soon enough

[stark salmon]

And MF is on Drag

@wintry dagger are you available today?

[wintry dagger]

I should be later this afternoon after I get home. Wife should be working today and my stepson is at his dad's

[wintry dagger]

@stark salmon I've got the next hour free

Going to my SIL's for football

Not sure why tbh

[stark salmon]

Heading to doctor. I ll catch you later

[wintry dagger]

Everything okay?

[stark salmon]

kinda

[jovial epoch]

Bro tekken is so funny

The “how is this guy so much better than me, we are the same rank” and than the “wait thats not a frametrap” and their gameplan crumbles

[jovial epoch]

Dear god

https://youtu.be/pnp2JggI5Mk?si=YLkrtXeOE2OvrJH4

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/DnSlash/status/1831963931243610194?t=m6-gV7RJLJ5XWZqdHvJirA&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/DnSlash/status/1831963931243610194

[cloud yoke]

jinkazama

[humble sapphire]

Why is the Tekken community so toxic?

[dusk oar]

https://youtu.be/t8LDbOf2MCY?si=8H5VdhadjVlnLrS8

[cloud yoke]

In my opinion it is because:
Dubious balancing choices in Tekken 8, a lot of new players, blatant favotism in balancing between characters (Jin Kazama)
Confusing animations for a lot of characters, (Leo, Law)
Tracking existing on some non tracking moves, (demon paws, electrics, ect)
A lot of very knowledge check'y characters, (Hwoarang, Victor, Nina, Law, Steve, King)
For a 3D game sidestepping requires hundreds of hours of knowledge, which makes some matchups incredibly hard,
Compilated inputs for no good reason (just frames)

[humble sapphire]

and a lot of it being built on 20 years now of design (starting with T5)

[cloud yoke]

Because of all of the above the game fosters elitism in which people have a superority complex because they think themself to be a better player

[humble sapphire]

Not only do the knowledge checks take hundreds of hours overall, but it's also simply by virtue of being a legacy game

[humble sapphire]

Would you say Guilty Gear has this to a degree? Though more specifically GGXX

[cloud yoke]

I can't tell I've never played GGXX

[humble sapphire]

you know, +R

[cloud yoke]

I don't know

[wintry dagger]

Whats your definition of "Toxic"? Salty messages, one and dones, Ki charging, t bagging, etcetera

[humble sapphire]

Oh, I was meaning toxicity more in terms of elitism

[wintry dagger]

Damn I replied to the wrong message

[humble sapphire]

Regarding sidestepping, the bulk of that time you need to put into knowledge checks has more to do with the fact that it's more character-specific, unlike VF's more black-and-white style of linear, half-circle, and full-circle

[wintry dagger]

The elitism comes from the game being made easier imo.

The skill ceiling and the skill floor have been purposely lowered in T8 compared to older Tekken games

I'm still convinced Harada and the devs designed T8 with nerfing Arslan Ash and Knee's T7 game plans in mind

[humble sapphire]

Whereas trying to get good at T7 was you competing with people who were into it since T5

[wintry dagger]

Legacy skill is a part of it but isn't the entire issue. Sure if you've played Tekken for years you'll know to watch out for certain moves (Kazuya FF3 or hellsweep mixup for example)

Tekken's been a defensive focused game for ages. Tekken 8 is more about offense and oppression

And when you guess wrong, you're getting blown up and losing a mice chunk of health

[humble sapphire]

And then there's NRS games, whose flavor of dudebro saturation is very different from Tekken's

[stark salmon]

how come?

[stark salmon]

Brother, they flipped the game's chemistry upside down.

[wintry dagger]

The best defense is offense in Tekken 8

[jovial epoch]

One thing I love about Nina is the 1 and 2 throws

Not just because they look sick, but they work so well at purple ranks 😭

Ain’t nobody breaking throws with 1 baby

[cloud yoke]

The best defense is a high crushing, counter hit launching low (that is preferably not -15 or more)
After that is a safe powercrush high that is a heat engager.

[finite bridge]

I don’t think theres anything to love abt Nina

I hate her

she’s good too… and I hate that about her 😂😭😂😭😭😭

[wintry dagger]

Her sister

[finite bridge]

……..

Okay speak on it

[wintry dagger]

Brunette>Blondes

[finite bridge]

Big agree my friend

[finite bridge]

🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝

[humble sapphire]

I will say that we do need more 2D fighters that are built on 3D fighter design sensibilities

[jovial epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/h3-h3h3-h3after-dark-chiropractor-gif-22948198

You seemed like a chill guy too

Shame

[stark salmon]

Ummm Huh?

[cloud yoke]

Big John ?

[solid stirrup]

Punished Jin

[real field]

Xiaoyu is REALLY fun

[wintry dagger]

Leroy really got that Chuck Norris roundhouse kick

[rigid mortar]

tale as old as time

[jovial epoch]

Thats actually really funny oh man

My bad I wasnt aware beating other players was meaningless because apparently what im doing is easier than what players were doing before I was born

[real field]

People act like nobody talked shit on any fighting game at launch except for current fighting game which really is bad this time guys I swear it's not like those other ones LMFAO so fucking real

[cloud yoke]

God forbid the other side of the barricade has to adapt to the new game they intend to play

[stark salmon]

https://prnt.sc/IICnTWDrR_Fq

Why do I have these *********** people in my friend list in Tekken ?

[wintry dagger]

I LEGIT thought this was Alisa for a second just because of the pink hair

Was about to say you sold your soul for Tekken God...

[stark salmon]

brother thats not Alisa or Jun. She is BAIKEN!

[wintry dagger]

Bacon?

Bruv wtf happened to the Baiken Bacon emotes we used to have????

[wintry dagger]

Bruh

Bro yanked that cord real quick

[finite bridge]

Getting hit out of round start D2 by orbital

Snaaaaaake sees things in slow motion with the Leroy

I wonder who has the most annoying orbital in this game

Lars

[stark salmon]

@wintry dagger Pull Up

[wintry dagger]

Bet

[stark salmon]

VC or No VC

[wintry dagger]

VC

Wanna shit talk lol

[stark salmon]

lmaooo

[wintry dagger]

Xbox pad is getting the better of me rn

[solid stirrup]

Those fuckers take a while to break in

[wintry dagger]

Doesn't help i haven't played my Xbox in a month or so

[solid stirrup]

Oh yeah, those dpad edges do not like you being absent for long

[wintry dagger]

Did.... I just get plugged on because I teched a throw???

[jovial epoch]

How the rematch button looks to Tekken players

[vast patrol]

Had to fight for my fuckin life In ranked to get to my Fujin back

Im fuckin mentally exhausted rn

[vast patrol]

LMAO

[vast patrol]

Typical Jack-8 player

I got plugged on because I blocked a Rage Art

[wintry dagger]

@stark salmon I've created a menace

Stepson hit random and it gave him Leroy

Sumbitch triple perfected a wifi Jin

[solid stirrup]

You found a wifi player that wouldn’t plug long enough for a triple perfect?

[wintry dagger]

I didn't lol. But yeah, wifi players that dont plug exist

[solid stirrup]

Incredible lol. I know I’d be mad tilted and half tempted to plug myself if I got perfected like that

I wouldn’t plug, but it’d be there in the back of my mind

[vast patrol]

Nice god match

[wintry dagger]

Wife has my PS5 so I decided to play Tekken Xbox and came across this dude

Now after that Ki charge, I had to one up him

[stark salmon]

that was not intentional

[wintry dagger]

Even looking at that input history?

Imo you don't accidentally press all four attack buttons three times in a row unless its configured to a button

Mines like L3 or R3

[stark salmon]

I do not have a ki charge input but i never get that. This guy had a seizure i believe

[vast patrol]

Yea that dude was mashing his ass off

[rigid mortar]

https://x.com/JovialSquid/status/1835539698355200150

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/JovialSquid/status/1835539698355200150

[rigid mortar]

can you teach me how to play like this though @winged karma

[winged karma]

HAHAHAHAH

classic rip moment lol

[cloud yoke]

@plucky sky
https://www.rxddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1fijhzr/some_may_disagree_but_this_is_peak_jin/

[jovial epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/omori-sunny-gif-23381885

[cloud yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-facts-brother-so-true-my-friend-gif-25938367

[wintry dagger]

For today's "Fuck King" post, here's what happens when King whiffs against Leroy

106 damage

[finite bridge]

COMBO

[stark salmon]

get that TK rank already

[wintry dagger]

Whenever the desire to play Ranked hits me I will

[finite bridge]

I hate fighting Steve man

Steve players always got my number

[cloud yoke]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1fjpsj9/i_hate_this_game_sometimes/

[finite bridge]

This is amusing

Victor players can hold that shit

[cloud yoke]

,

[wintry dagger]

https://twitter.com/TEKKEN/status/1837129683881603578

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/TEKKEN/status/1837129683881603578

[wintry dagger]

Heihachi trailer Tuesday

[stark salmon]

First Game and First Opponent even in Old Game

[wintry dagger]

You wanna run some T7 sets lol

[stark salmon]

Wanted to but im dealing with something that involved gym and pizza

[wintry dagger]

Those two kinda counter each other don't they lol

[stark salmon]

Yeah

Did workout ordered pizza and i accidentally put wrong address so heading to the store

Uber is ass and not helped me so Im trying to fix this idiocy

[stark salmon]

https://streamable.com/qdw0lm

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/Speedkicks/status/1837626215286690118?t=VnAdv0l6-DOTb0Y9bRmf8A&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/Speedkicks/status/1837626215286690118

[wintry dagger]

Sent this to a buddy who mains drag and complains about Bryan way too much

[cloud yoke]

@plucky sky
https://www.rxddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1fmktu2/on_foenem/

[finite bridge]

I’d come home to my family that night

[solid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/tekken-kazuya-smile-funny-gif-26478357

[wintry dagger]

I'd pop heat first, then do the Electrics

[jovial epoch]

Has there been a ranked character popularity chart released lately?

[rigid mortar]

~~people have to play ranked for that to happen ~~

[wintry dagger]

I remember seeing one a week or so ago

I'll see if I can find it again

[jovial epoch]

If you find it send it over, im curious about how its changed

[cloud yoke]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1fngoyt/fastest_lidia_round/

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/HelloMrBrahms/status/1838301383449284884?t=yAG6vSdyM3ug_U8HbhoK8g&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/HelloMrBrahms/status/1838301383449284884

[wintry dagger]

Heihachi about to be playable sooner than we think

[finite bridge]

LETS GO

[wintry dagger]

My guess is 10/1

[rigid mortar]

Next year ?

[wintry dagger]

October 1st lol

Next Tuesday

Brand new tekken players are learning how to plug before learning the game basics

[cloud yoke]

In his defense he is a begginer meanwhile you are at Rajin

[vast patrol]

Bro I had the exact same shit happen to me lol

[jovial epoch]

Six days?!?

[wintry dagger]

Called the date lol

https://x.com/TEKKEN/status/1838580913652789477?t=Ofpm0s8VtRXR2hDMXtlkPw&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/TEKKEN/status/1838580913652789477

[wintry dagger]

October 1st for season pass

[finite bridge]

so stoked

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/BuffGigas/status/1838609599831904322?t=NtVaid3s-SFXplnJRzJsNQ&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/BuffGigas/status/1838609599831904322

[wintry dagger]

Massive W

[finite bridge]

Yaaaaaay can’t wait

GOOOODBYE lidia 😂

https://fxtwitter.com/buffgigas/status/1838603289337958913?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

Awesome ass special intro

[rigid mortar]

https://x.com/BuffGigas/status/1838609599831904322?t=Vejnly8efFkmPLuwnEBdtQ&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/BuffGigas/status/1838609599831904322

[wintry dagger]

Another W

[cloud yoke]

That's cool and all, adding Heihachi with quality of life features in main menu, but when the fuck will Jack-8 and King get counterhit hurtbox on their power crush moves ?

[wintry dagger]

That is... oddly specific

[finite bridge]

When the fuck will King be minus 5 million on his power crush move bro??? COME ON!!!

what’s that king power crush, f3 or 3+4 ? Isn’t it like minus 13 or something

[wintry dagger]

I thought King's power crush was B3

Bruh its B3 and its -10

[rigid mortar]

https://fxtwitter.com/KingJae/status/1838603556124815442

have fun with that tekken bros

[wintry dagger]

Just ended a smurfs 27 game win streak

Shit hits like crack

[finite bridge]

Let it be -14

[finite bridge]

You not gonna play tekken with us ,????

[rigid mortar]

nah game makes me angry for no good reason

[wintry dagger]

Good idea

[rigid mortar]

also they need to fix the ranked experience

[wintry dagger]

What specifically?

[finite bridge]

Yeah you post abt it a lot for someone who doesn’t play, damn 😕 wish u could have fun with it

[rigid mortar]

fixing ranked?

or why it makes me angry

[rigid mortar]

my gf plays the game

[wintry dagger]

Ranked

Well actually both

[rigid mortar]

one and dones, having 2 stats that get me games, the fact that rank is meaningless cuz you can cheese it, and just people not being aware they cant run the game on their current graphics but dont care

as for why it makes me angry there was never a character that i liked enough that i wanted to learn the game. everytime i logged on id look at the training mode, mentally list everything i had to do then turn the game off. figure if there was a character i liked i wouldnt think that. plus i was tired of joining discords to get any semblance of guides

[jovial epoch]

Wait has every DLC character so far had a token/gimmick thing?

Heihachi locks tf in or something?

[rigid mortar]

its so over if this is a real halloween costume

[rigid mortar]

i think ive been brain washed by the lili mains. when i first saw her from her announcement i thought she looked like a massive dork and didnt like her. now she looks pretty good to me

[jovial epoch]

Dont let them get to you

[rigid mortar]

maybe its the natural progression, juri to lili

[jovial epoch]

Oh god you cant fall that far

[plucky sky]

I’m so back

https://tenor.com/view/tekken-kazuya-kazuyamishima-heihachi-heihachimishima-gif-25627217

[rigid mortar]

i hope his losing mu is kuma

he does look kinda cool tho

[plucky sky]

Heihachi has the run away move

Only in heat

And it consumes the rest of the heat meter

It’s so peak

[cloud yoke]

Mfw hwoarang has a -1 on hit, staggerable on block hellsweep that doesn't knockdown either

[finite bridge]

Damn the Hwoa one doesn’t stagger either ???

Feng has that one hellsweep style attack that doesn’t stagger on block either

[cloud yoke]

Hwoarang's D4,3,4 string from rff does not provide knockdown (3,4 is not a natural string unless in heat)
D4 by itself is a +7 on hit and forces crouch on the opponent
It sounds good but only deals 15 damage, while being launch punishable
D4,3 is -1 on hit and adds up to around 26 dmg which puts hworang in his neutral stance

[finite bridge]

Nice dude

Thank you for the info

[vast patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/alastor-eye-twitch-gif-6033958782654193628

Oh come the fuck on

[cloud yoke]

I mean they could at least try to hide they are playing favorites

[solid stirrup]

"I killed off my favorite OC, but he had to come back because it's lore accurate"

"The fans wanted it, you gotta believe me"

[vast patrol]

For real

[rigid mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsNVDoMTWBk

[wintry dagger]

Found @stark salmon 's Twitter account

Possible burner

[stark salmon]

Kill him and bury to the ground

[wintry dagger]

[finite bridge]

They should Nerf Leroy and buff honest characters like Reina

😈😈😈

[cloud yoke]

character development

[solid stirrup]

"these family dinners are lonely, try to get along with at least one of your kids"
-Kuma, probably

[wintry dagger]

Orders unclear. Buffed Drag instead

All throws are now unbreakable in heat

[finite bridge]

Who did they say they were damage nerfing next patch along with Drag and Nina

I know it was 3 characters they named specifically

[wintry dagger]

Kinda think it was only Drag and Nina name dropped

[finite bridge]

nah there was a third character

I didn’t wanna go look it up and be lazy but now I have too

Snaaaaake is right it’s Drag and Nina named specifically

https://fxtwitter.com/volskimmer/status/1836181143747727569?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

Possibly others teased

[wintry dagger]

Yoshi better be on that list

[finite bridge]

Right dude

[rigid mortar]

https://x.com/A2Enoch/status/1839288058438352943

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/A2Enoch/status/1839288058438352943

[rigid mortar]

@winged karma

i love when people forget where they came from

[winged karma]

What this?@rigid mortar

[rigid mortar]

tekken reddit has been on fire shitting on t8 but forgetting what launch of t7 was like so you have people on twitter sharing what it use to be like

[winged karma]

Ahh yeah yeah

People just don't understand that tekken 8 is a brand new game with a brand new system

It's focused on offense and keeping your opponent in bad scenarios

People during the entire lifespan of comp T7 would backdash and keep zoning till someone whiffed and df2.
And some of the base characters where so over tuned at luanch it wasn't even funny even after the game having a 3 year life before releasing on console

By the time it made to home consoles it was already v2.08 If I remember correctly

People just gotta stop being butt hurt by having no defense ap

Lmao

You have moves you have ways yo deal with the bullshit

But no one wants to lab

[jovial epoch]

At this point, 90% of the fgc complains for literally no reason

[winged karma]

^^

[jovial epoch]

Often there will be valid criticism, but what could just be “dragunovs routes deal too much dmg for how accessible they are” turns into “TOXIC top tiers will KILL this game in a WEEK”

[rigid mortar]

https://youtu.be/3p3kogfGl_Y?t=940

king main menu time stampped

[finite bridge]

LETS GO FUDONSHI IS BACK

I should make heihachi into Urien

[jovial epoch]

La di da di da

[cloud yoke]

Where the fuck are those 50/50's people speak about, i keep getting sidestepped

[solid stirrup]

You see, randomly mashing and running scummy shit is something that only works for other people online, the moment you start trying it it never works

[finite bridge]

Nah some of this shit 100% works

[cloud yoke]

I just wish that game balance wouldn't be assbackwards in some regards so chracters are on equal footing when it comes to neutral ( I have no idea why do I have to pay the -13 tax on highcrushing counterhit launcher while John Hazmat actually gets paid in plus to do it)

[rigid mortar]

https://x.com/BuffGigas/status/1839502526560846106?t=8Kg2RWzey1GV6vbeJM1cZw&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/BuffGigas/status/1839502526560846106

[cloud yoke]

no i dont want the mother procreator back either

[stark salmon]

you can taste what??

[rigid mortar]

a post for @plucky sky

[rigid mortar]

https://x.com/Brawlpro/status/1839750704904171633

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/Brawlpro/status/1839750704904171633

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/1839751476916433000?t=_ATntT_xeZcpRl_-hUUxZg&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/1839751476916433000

[wintry dagger]

Hes just trolling us at this point

[solid stirrup]

Harada spent too much time reading explanations for why waffle house should be a stage to not have completely backed this marketing decision

[stark salmon]

Another day I would like to share my opinion on Leroy. Fuck this character. Shoot this bitch down and bury his ashes to a place no one can find him

[wintry dagger]

@stark salmon this Victor probably shares your thoughts after this match

[stark salmon]

exactly. Fuck this character even though I play more cheesy character

[wintry dagger]

How badly did a Leroy piss you off lol

[rigid mortar]

how are people plugging after a single hit

[wintry dagger]

Idk maybe he closed the app or yanked his Ethernet cord

[rigid mortar]

i dont mean physically how

i mean mentally. you have to be in such a bad head space to get hit once then quit

[wintry dagger]

Let me post the whole clip lol

[wintry dagger]

Legit think it was a combination of the last round, and the start of the next one

[wintry dagger]

This reinforces my opinion on like 90% of Hwo players

[stark salmon]

excellent throw breaks

[stark salmon]

it is Wifi. On wifi, there will be more delay on data transfer so these drops are normal

[wintry dagger]

Tell that to the Hwo lol

"Where's the lag?"

[wintry dagger]

https://x.com/BuffGigas/status/1840285734420525141?t=sFWS9KgX-9ng_1Go0gVLUQ&s=19

[zinc condor]

https://fxtwitter.com/BuffGigas/status/1840285734420525141

[wintry dagger]

Electric Wind Pika Fist

[vast patrol]

I will not stand for this Jin slander

https://tenor.com/view/lr-int-perfect-cell-revival-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-db-gif-4737092982976794790

[vast patrol]

To be fair tho imo, even with labbing there is still a pretty good amount of legitimately fucked up balencing in this game

Granted, I never really played T7, but to me there are certain characters that are waaaaaay too overtuned

[rigid mortar]

whens dad out? before or after bedtime?

[vast patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/jingol-virtuous-indie-black-white-monochrome-gif-11903885220643669833

[jovial epoch]

Oh for sure