KOF Coaching

[sinful herald]

Calling that “zoning” is a little generous imo lmao. Zoning kind of implies some type of thought put into the timing of projectiles, you guys just machine gun as many on screen as possible

Actually we haven’t played in a while maybe that’s not true anymore, I remember getting a lot of good “Just Defend” practice last time we ran a set

[plush delta]

No worries, you’ll destroy me if we do play. I’m kinda semi retired

[sinful herald]

Do you play JP in 6?

Oh wait you’re on FF 16

I hear it’s awesome

[plush delta]

I play blanka in sf6

[snow beacon]

There's something about the Bogard brothers flying coast to coast. #frequentflyers

[meager portal]

I..
Yeah😔

Zoning is the dyL counterpick

[sinful herald]

Been that way for over 30 years, it’s tradition at this point. I love how Shun also follows in their footsteps

[sinful herald]

Super jump

You’re welcome

[slate mica]

I can second this. You start to see trends develop. From there, percentages.

[warped pine]

I've been destroyed by Terry doing a lot of different things. You just gotta dodge a few fireballs

Most fireball spammers give up if you roll/counter 2-3 fireballs and go to whatever plan B is (if they have one)

You may not even be good at it but do it a few times at round start and your opponent doesn't know that 😅

[slate mica]

I mean, the general zoner strategy is to
A) send out light fireballs
B) predict the next move based on how your opponent responds to the stimulus
C) repeat

It's just a matter of, yeah, having varied strategies for responses. You don't encounter a ton of fireball spam without a strategy at Rank 20+

[plush delta]

I’m afraid to click this. Looks like it could be malware @snow beacon what you think?

[snow beacon]

It was just a quick sound bite of some rustling, probably an accidental press in his pocket. I’ll just delete it.

[split grotto]

Hey a question. Does this man K' really do like no damage mid screen?

Like this feels like Robert damage

[plush delta]

Hey don’t insult my boy Bobby. Robert army let’s go!

[split grotto]

I bring up Rob because I know his damage is pickles

I didn't expect for K to do even less in the mid screen. Even if it is only 3

Just a bit of a character crisis

[plush delta]

I’m sure K can do a lot of damage midscreen. But ask @grizzled heart or @rancid marlin

[grizzled heart]

yeah you can do work midscreen

You just need more specific routing

Tbh the corner is where you really wanna be

Can show u combos for both places

[split grotto]

Well if his sub optimal combos are hard I can't imagine what his actual optimal ones are.

[plush delta]

You know who has easy combos? Robert

[grizzled heart]

Just practice they aren’t outside the realm of human possibility

[split grotto]

That's what's making me stay on the fence. I don't mind the hard combos but like Yuri, a character I still barely can does like 350 off of c.C for .5 bar. That's appealing to me

Even if K is on my anchor slot in concept

K' was like doing 293 or something

[grizzled heart]

@split grotto
Mid screen BNB
https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1655358391479402498?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

https://vxtwitter.com/jackmaniaci/status/1624973738721652738?s=46&t=Q5G3bZ4Assj29HZn5I7YIw

Here’s the other one kinda easier

[split grotto]

So those are midscreen to corner right? Not like corner to midscreen

[plush delta]

Luckily K has an easy side switch special

[meager portal]

K' cookin🔥🔥

Makes me wanna try him out ngl

[plush delta]

Beat trial 4 first

[meager portal]

I'm so close to doing it

[split grotto]

I only ask that caveat because I rarely get the corner unless I'm already cooking

[meager portal]

I just need more time, irl been keeping me hella busy this week😔

[split grotto]

So mid screen combos are my sole lifeblood.

Which is why I'm also thinking of dropping Joe but that's another topic for later

[split grotto]

If I were to put time in it. Yeah I could probably knock out this combo after lunch.

But for one whole bar though? That's what I'm super concerned about

[grizzled heart]

K’ 50/50 and corner carry actually gives him the corner most of the time, I like to hang back and zone and either AA w/ another back dash into fireball, 236P 6K (second shell) and then follow up the launch into 214K, or DP C into the kick follow up

[meager portal]

Doesn't K' have a stun combo too?

[grizzled heart]

If you’re worried abt spending meter for an anchor K’ you should prolly pick another character

[grizzled heart]

Yes he does!

[meager portal]

[grizzled heart]

Conserving your meter is overrated anyway

just go balls out

[warped pine]

I didn't pay $60 to save meter

[split grotto]

A habit from playing Joe. Where he does his main combo with like half a bar and it builds one whole bar

[rancid marlin]

The whole point of the midscreen bnb is to push them to the corner. That’s why you may not want to spend a bunch of resources midscreen, regardless he’ll get most of it back anyways

[grizzled heart]

you can just end w/ a non ex version of 214 K anyway

But if you just end w/ C DP he basically gains like 45% of his meter back

into a safe jump

[split grotto]

Is Shingo, Rock and Liz a special case? Like I'm not a combo expert or anything but it feels like they can meter dump midscreen and it does similar damage to what the corner gives them. But I might not know all the combos

[plush delta]

K has tons of combos that corner carry

[rancid marlin]

K can do the same.

[split grotto]

I mean I'll try the K' combo when I get home anyways. Also the bar spending this was an important mention because I noticed at least playing recently. Shingo kinda dumps if he gets a crit. So often K' comes in with like 1.5 to 2.5 bars pretty consistently

[plush delta]

Both Sylvie and Kim do great damage with their midscreen combos

[split grotto]

I mean I can also continue to try K on point or whatever and run Rock anchor but I don't feel he needs much meter to be successful

[meager portal]

Joe is a battery for meter once he gets his hits in. That's mostly while I play him at point when I play him

[grizzled heart]

She battery on my meter til I get the hits

[split grotto]

I said it before, but I tried Joe on point and could never take them to the corner

[meager portal]

You don't need to

[split grotto]

So I have up on that idea

[meager portal]

Joe can work just about anywhere and he can cook off of like half a bar

[split grotto]

See I think a large reason I'm thinking of dropping Joe is because I feel he's so bad without EX fireballs and an EX DP

[warped pine]

I would so main Joe if he was quarter circle instead of half 😂

[split grotto]

Or I'm just a bit of a scrub at using non EX versions of those.

Since it feels like worse than every other fireball I've used. From Sylvie, to Liz to Yuri

[warped pine]

totally unbiased thought... maybe you should try King 🤣

[split grotto]

Zoners suck to play though

Unless they're peacock

[meager portal]

Ngl I almost never use ex fireball or dp with joe

[split grotto]

EX fireball is like my favorite move from Joe

[meager portal]

Heavy fireball gotta be my favorite

The recovery on it is insane

[magic harness]

I kinda agree with Rait on that one
It's a meme, but it's true
Almost EVERYONE has a pocket King

[split grotto]

It catches jumps, it combos into the other fireball on counter hit and you gotta hyper hop over it. Or jump but who does that

[meager portal]

Watch, Luna bout to go like "drop joe, pick up billy"

[plush delta]

You know who has a good fireball AND easy combos? Robert army

[split grotto]

Honestly, my whole team has been giving my issues to be honest. I'm on the side of just dropping it hard and trying 3 new characters

[meager portal]

I was waiting for this🤣

[magic harness]

I don't wish that for anyone... Billy is just too useless most of the time

[grizzled heart]

Oliver really the only Robert warrior

[plush delta]

Luna the Billy downplayer

[grizzled heart]

Billy does suck

If you’re getting beaten by Billy that’s on u

[plush delta]

I’m loyal. Everyone keeps switching characters

[plush delta]

Fight Luna’s Billy then

[grizzled heart]

I have and I beat her ass

once you learn the matchup w/ him there’s not much he can do tbh

[meager portal]

I remember the first time I fought Oliver's Bobert
I got mopped

[grizzled heart]

Even the gimmicks fail

[magic harness]

But really
In all seriousness
Unless you really dislike King, she is one of the best point characters in the game
And doesn't need to actually learn and adapt much in order to play her well

[grizzled heart]

Yeah king seems pretty fun

[meager portal]

You know who else is pretty fun and has easy combos?
Terry

[lament mirage]

Yes

Yeah but he's better with meter

[magic harness]

Yup
Billy is a knowledge check
I only have like 3 strings
Learn to punish them and all I can do is spam his stick from afar hoping to guess right

[plush delta]

Downplayer

[grizzled heart]

oli getting washed by Luna Billy ? 🤡🫵

[meager portal]

Billy counterplay in 3 symbols:
🌪️

[grizzled heart]

LOL

[plush delta]

@magic harness I dare you to play the true bottom tiers - Chris and Darli

[lament mirage]

Koko desuka

[magic harness]

LMAO
Ok, Billy isn't completely useless
But he is worse than all my other characters

[grizzled heart]

Billy is prolly worse than Chris and Darli

[plush delta]

I get washed by all her mains

Except angel

[meager portal]

I've been washed by some darli players

[grizzled heart]

I hate fighting Darli

[lament mirage]

Nah bro, Darli got some tech

[magic harness]

I kinda wanted Darli
But I didn't buy Team SamSho
And Chris...
I might learn just because I like Team Orochi

[lament mirage]

Tns has this one goated Darli player

Forgot the name

[grizzled heart]

Delete darli

[lament mirage]

FUCK I DIDNT SIGN UP FOR TNS AT ALL THIS WEEK

AAAAAAAAAAA

[magic harness]

Forgot the 2 touch sideswitch reset?

[split grotto]

I'd love to actually play Darli but you gotta be the god of KOF to play her

[meager portal]

I bought every character because I wanna 100% kof😅

[warped pine]

do commentary @lament mirage

[plush delta]

Actually I can only beat angel with Athena

[magic harness]

Athena could probably beat Billy too
He can't handle zoning...

[meager portal]

[lament mirage]

Not that, I mean this week was the only on I have free for awhile but I completely forgot to get in one run this early into sf6

[grizzled heart]

ofc u meant not signing up for KOF

🤡🤡🤡

[lament mirage]

Now when I have free time to go into tourneys it'd prolly be a few months in

[plush delta]

Cien is a traitor

[grizzled heart]

I been known

🧠🧠🧠

[lament mirage]

Shit has been out for a year and I remember getting cleaned 10-0'd by.....

I forgot his name

ChrisF?

No

Wait...

[grizzled heart]

I would never get washed by a mfr named Chris

💯💯💯💯

[lament mirage]

Tuff, cuz this guy OCV'd me all set

In any case SF6 is a lot newer and I was hoping to go at least 1-2

[plush delta]

You don’t have to go to tns to get washed, just fight the killers here

[plush delta]

Funnily enough, I won that match. One of the few that I actually won.

[lament mirage]

Yeah but I have a lot more liberty and flexibility to do that

Plus it'd be cool to join a really organized tourney

[plush delta]

Unlike the ones here? Hehe

[lament mirage]

I was moreso thinking Rookie Rumble

[grizzled heart]

Sounds like you just wanna play SF6 more 🥱

[lament mirage]

But that works too

Do yall remember what day TNS moved KOF?

[grizzled heart]

Bullying Cien to play KOF again

[magic harness]

TRUE
Lmao
But I still think of that one match every time I hit that reset

[magic harness]

I blame Bubbles and Smoke
Lmao

Mac, Zero and Daru are still waiting
Lmfao

[plush delta]

It did tilt me so mission accomplished.

[plush delta]

It’s Tuesday every other week

[lament mirage]

Every other??

[magic harness]

Nah, I'm not here to tilt you
But it was funny af

[plush delta]

All the Shermie frametraps and setups tilt me too which is why I dodge luna

[plush delta]

Yeah KoF is not popular man

Maybe it’s weekly though I dunno

[magic harness]

If you ever wanna fight my other chars, I'm always in
Lmao

[plush delta]

I’m too scared to fight you

[magic harness]

Sorry! I didn't mean to traumatize anyone

[plush delta]

Too late for that!!!

[warped pine]

https://tenor.com/view/leaving-forrest-gump-run-away-running-gif-11064764

[plush delta]

I’m pulling a raitguy when luna is looking for matches

[lament mirage]

Nono, I'm sure it's weekly

I need to check

[magic harness]

LMAO
Rlx, I'm mostly searching for SF6 matches now

[plush delta]

Another traitor

But that’s good. Let Luna’s KoF skills deteriorate

[magic harness]

I still play every day
Just not seriously anymore

[lament mirage]

Unfortunate

[magic harness]

My goal is to reach Diamond...
For now

[grizzled heart]

Luna is not scary

[magic harness]

Want more Shermie?

[lament mirage]

Ft10 her

Right now

[grizzled heart]

SherMEE

Im sorry but I’m living my life

[lament mirage]

No balls

[magic harness]

I'm having lunch

Lmfao

[lament mirage]

Bruh

Back me up here

[grizzled heart]

They cut em off

I want lunch

My fast bouta be over

[plush delta]

I’d watch a luna vs dunc ft10

[plush delta]

Aren’t you Diamond already?

[magic harness]

Plat 4
Almost...

[magic harness]

I'm in tho!
If he is, I'll be there

[warped pine]

If it happens I can stream it lol

[split grotto]

Ah I see the combo

It works coast to coast as well

It ain't actually that hard

My brain just will refuse to remember it in a game

[lament mirage]

Mood

[rancid marlin]

Just play Iori

[split grotto]

Daru, do I look like a scumbag?

No offense to Iroi players

[rancid marlin]

He does everything you need him to

He has everything Rock has but better minus EX fireball full screen

[split grotto]

But he's a dickhead

[rancid marlin]

Idk what you mean by that at all

But if that stops you from playing him you’re missing out

[split grotto]

Nah I'm just not interested in playing him after Zero treats me like a paid actor

The same reason I don't like King, they just have minimal appeal to me

[rancid marlin]

He definitely won’t be the last one. Everybody plays the character

Same with King

Idk I think you need to give the characters you’ve already played a bit more a chance maybe. If they are truly not it then oh well

[meager portal]

Id watch too
||and steal tech||

[grim crypt]

LMAO

Iori is one of my favorite kof characters if not my favorite so I was gonna play him in this game regardless of how good he was

[meager portal]

Iori sick asf

[split grotto]

Here's a list of characters I've tried and played games with.

Meitenkun
Liz
Kukri
K'
Ramón
Joe
Robert
Blue Mary
Yuri
Vanessa
Rock
Yamazki
Darli
Shingo
Sylvie
Goat Nuts

[meager portal]

Fun to fight too, it's always a good skill check to see if you're paying attention

[meager portal]

Joe on there twice lmao

[split grotto]

Yeah just noticed that

But yeah I've played what feels like at least a character from about every archetype

I can say I don't like zoning with Meitenkun

Even though I'm actually alright at it. But I'd rather be the aggressor

[grim crypt]

I think you can't do that playstyle in this game tyler

zoning that is

It seems like it casues you to much of a headache

[plush delta]

Which ones did you like?

[split grotto]

I can do it when I'm not in da thinky mode

[plush delta]

Can I suggest a character that I think you’ll like? Shunei. He has the exact same combo structure as Liz. Can do heavy damage and has good movement to counter zoning

[split grotto]

Liz, Kukri, Joe(?), Blue Mary, Yuri, Rock, Yamazki, Shingo and Sylvie

[plush delta]

Seems like you don’t like grapplers too haha

[split grotto]

Shun certainly is at least cool. If not just from what I understand a large ass knowledge check

[split grotto]

I think Ramón is sick as hell. I just hate his light confirm

[grim crypt]

All my homies hate grapplers

[plush delta]

He has some mix at the high level

Another one you might like is Yashiro. He’s also my most hated matchup so you’ll gain an advantage from playing him

[split grotto]

Literally if Ramón didn't have a wicked ass 2A 623BD input I'd actually learn how to play him

Yash isn't a character I think I was ever interested in. It's gonna be stupid, stupid as hell. But I gotta play a rush down brawler I think I'd go back to Vanessa

[plush delta]

Kyo would be good for you too. Those are my 3 recommendations. Shunei, kyo and yashiro. All 3 strong high meta characters

[grim crypt]

You'd probably like yashrio tyler

He's pretty simple

but effective

[plush delta]

Does big damage from combos

[grizzled heart]

don’t say that bout my goat

[plush delta]

Which is what you like

[split grotto]

I'll keep shun in mind

[grizzled heart]

Keep this command grab in mind

[split grotto]

I might try out the other 2 at some point for sure

Right now, I'm interested in Rock, K', Shingo and Yuri.

As in I might trade out Shingo for Yuri but she still kinda weird

[grim crypt]

I just tried it a couple of times it isn't to bad

[split grotto]

My hands are just slow

[grim crypt]

I think you should try out yashiro first

The button hold trick does wonders for hit confirms

[sinful herald]

lol 3 bar BNB

Usually when people talk BNB they mean meterless or maybe half a bar

[grizzled heart]

Glad I asked you

[sinful herald]

lol write it down in your diary if you don’t want replies. This is a chat room homie

[split grotto]

In his defense it does work for half a bar

And his meterless combos are alright they just don't do damage

[grizzled heart]

I explained that above too you can omit certain parts

[split grotto]

Midscreen and such

[grizzled heart]

Smoke just likes to start arguments

[split grotto]

I've gotten the combo 3 times in a row at least so it's not impossible

[grizzled heart]

linking the Tastu at the end the hardest part for me

[split grotto]

Just not consistent with my sausage fingers

I can get the part it's actually the start. The EX launcher into teleport into 4K

That's hard for me

[grizzled heart]

yeah I had to practice that one a bunch

some of his combos can be kind inconsistent at times but this one works anywhere on screen

[sinful herald]

This is the most shit stirring comment in the chain but sure, I’m the one starting something 😹

I didn’t invent the term BNB take it up with them

[grim crypt]

Kyo on his way to find the person who came up with BnB

[sinful herald]

Real af 😭

[sinful herald]

Like dunc said (and I’m sure daru would agree) K’ wants you in the corner and he pretty much takes them there for free. He’s especially nasty on point because no one has meter to guard cancel

[sinful herald]

Who you playing? Lemme guess Marisa and Manon…how’d I do

[split grotto]

Like looking at the character list of ones I play. I especially like Liz, Shingo and Rock. But I don't feel that good about my own Liz. And I just picked up Rock

[sinful herald]

Agreed. It’s just how the game works, there’s wayyyy too many universal and character specific tools to get around projectiles

[slate mica]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sinful herald]

It’s Tuesdays, pretty sure it was only off this week because of CEO. There’s usually an 0-2 bracket after assuming there’s at least 8 players interested

[split grotto]

I don't know man, Poliboy just flossed with my pride with King probably one of the hardest characters to fight for me

[warped pine]

Poliboy's King is godlike

[sinful herald]

Nothing to be ashamed of his King is amazing

[grim crypt]

Maybe I should learn K' with you Tyler

I feel like it might help

[sinful herald]

She still dies if you get a read and super jump, but iirc he likes to go in with her and doesn’t play strictly zoning

[grim crypt]

He sounds like my kind of man lmao

[lament mirage]

That's what I'm thinking too

[rancid marlin]

This is a great list I like a lot of these characters but I’m not sure what your favorite style of play is

[sinful herald]

There’s also a Mexican bracket on Thursdays but it’s a pretty late start for East Coast

10:30

[split grotto]

Like I'll continue with my namesake and not be incredibly negative. But I really feel like I can't deal with zoning in a game where supposedly it's not oppressive. I just feel I still can't play KOF

[slate mica]

Which is great, because you can warm up with RR beforehand 😄

[grim crypt]

LMAO LOU

[sinful herald]

Did he zone you out tho? That doesn’t sound like poli to me

[sinful herald]

Ayyyy

[slate mica]

ok thx

[split grotto]

Nah he's just putting my in to the corner and I sit there

[slate mica]

The corner is a rough place to be

[sinful herald]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-taking-out-mess-gif-14242725

^^^ actual footage of Pace with the comment cards

[lament mirage]

That's perfect actually

But man the Mexicans??

They gonna fucking kill me

[sinful herald]

Yeah I get bodied too but do get some data out of it. Last week got throttled by point Shermie, go to look wtf it is and it’s some top 200 player lol

Somehow I’ve managed to steal one in the losers bracket

[split grotto]

I'm gonna be honest. This is probably tilt talking. I wouldn't be surprised. But I can't say whether or not I'm still a beginner. But I can say I feel I still don't know shit about KOF. Like I try to think in the match I'm on but I get a headache trying to solve the centennial puzzle that is neutral so then I try to just play, I lose super hard because I'm not thinking. I try to like reach the medium and then I'm just confused because I couldn't figure out literally anything. Poliboy is an example, I could not get out of the corner after I put myself into it because trying to get close to King is asking for a 5D or a 2C it feels like and then I was stuck there. Or fighting like Zero, I'm terrible at my spacing I suppose so I'll bring him down sometimes to Iori and then I just take like 900 damage because I still don't know how to hop. But like all the solutions seem simple but I just can't seem to do like any of correct more than like 20% of the time by accident.

What exactly am I supposed to only focus on? I'm honestly trying other characters for a breather because my main team all I'm seeing is how massive my problems are but I suck at working on them because I can't figure out how to do X or Y better.

Forgive me for the wall of text, this absolutely has been bottled up though

[warped pine]

@split grotto I know you beat my ass well in SF6, have we played KOF?

[split grotto]

Not recently

At least not since SF came out

[magic harness]

LMAO
Marisa only
She is the main and the only one I play seriously
I still don't really have a secondary
Juri is on Plat 1 but I don't really feel at home with her
Ken, Chun and Ryu are somewhere on Gold, and I like them, but not so much either

I'm doing horrible with Manon
Hard stuck in Silver
I have no idea how to play her

And you?
Lily? She is your type

[lament mirage]

She's a conditioner

So basically your opposite

[sinful herald]

I started with Lily and am now playing Ken

[magic harness]

Ken is cool af
He is the closest to a secondary I have atm
I just haven't really invested on playing him

[sinful herald]

Marisa is a weird MU for me, it’s so one sided one way or the other

[plush delta]

Smoke tried to pigeonhole me as a JP player but I’m actually a blanka archetype

[sinful herald]

I just asked haha!

Can only go off what I’ve seen ya know 😹

I’m still free as fuck to JP

[plush delta]

Would you have guessed that blanka was my first pick knowing who I played in KoF?

[lament mirage]

Clark plus Athena

Yes

[sinful herald]

Meitenkun tho

It makes sense now

[plush delta]

Plus Meiten charge plus May player in strive

[magic harness]

Nope
I was gonna guess Guile tbh

Charge like Meit
Zoner like Athena
Soldier like Clark

[lament mirage]

I said Clark cuz his setup

[plush delta]

That’s actually pretty accurate but blanka gameplay is closer to what I like

Guile is closer to Heidern

[magic harness]

True

[lament mirage]

Old ass man

[sinful herald]

Surprised you aren’t grabbing people with Manon, she gets scary quick

[magic harness]

I tried
Thought she'd be easy since I play Shermie...
Nope. I've never lost so hard in my whole life
I can't do ANYTHING with her

Plus...
I feel like Marisa kinda does fit in really well the scary type of gameplay I like

[lament mirage]

Funny

[magic harness]

And BIG damage

[lament mirage]

I feel like I play Manon well bc of Shermie

[plush delta]

You also like the Marisa visuals hehe

[magic harness]

Oh yes

[plush delta]

And because you’re horny

[lament mirage]

Like Luna isn't?

[plush delta]

Luna isn’t that horny

[lament mirage]

....

You serious?

[magic harness]

My Shermie actually plays more like Marisa
I don't play Shermie like a grappler, I think I focus more on big combos and big damage

[plush delta]

I’ve never seen luna horny

[lament mirage]

My focus is more the neutral then, ig

[magic harness]

I...
Don't want to comment about it
Lmao

[split grotto]

Pretty much all rounders and rush downs

[rancid marlin]

U just like me then.

[split grotto]

Does anyone have a video of the second combo? Or rather is it even worth it?

It's for K'

[rancid marlin]

Lol I’m not at home. But there’s a video I can send you from not me

[rancid marlin]

https://youtu.be/oihhefpaFVI

There are hella things here, some can get a bit advanced. It’s easier for me to show you than tell you

[split grotto]

If I could learn that second one I'd be pretty alright with my combos for him.

Like I already know about 3 times the combos for K that I know for rock

[rancid marlin]

Well yeah the way this game works once you got that starter, you can finesse the rest type shi

But the 2A 6B cancel isn’t the easiest

So will take some practice

[split grotto]

Well it's because I feel I gotta figure out these K combos and Rock is like. Hey just do 6A and auto pilot the rest

[rancid marlin]

Yeah k combos can get nutty

Rock got ez mode combos

[split grotto]

Yeah he's the closest to a pick up and play character I've tried so far

[rancid marlin]

Shingo

[split grotto]

Well I'm about to give the combos a rest but I got the 6B to land like 3 times but I can't combo into the (214CD) 214K comfortably

Especially from a 4K

[rancid marlin]

214BD? The kicks ?

Slide kick right ?

[split grotto]

Jesus, yeah the kick

My brain is frazzled from practicing

[rancid marlin]

I felt like nitpicking lol

Yeah if you can do that super fast to where they get hit with the second hit and you can juggle them you’re on the right path

[split grotto]

I bet the second I sleep and this stuff settles I'll be pretty good

But his combos are fun

It's him, Yuri, Shingo and Robert who are on my list for most fun corner combos

Even though Shingo and Robert's aren't actually that hard

[rancid marlin]

Robert

Yeah he shotos hella hard

[split grotto]

I wish he was more kick and less fireball

Now that I'm taking a break so my hands can rest. My left thumb is just out of juice RN

[rancid marlin]

He is kick man fr

[sinful herald]

I can show you some Yuri stuff too if you want she’s great

[split grotto]

I'm gonna try to see if I can even remember or do the Yuri combos after I get done with K'. Playing her I just couldn't play around her short limbs when I first tried her

[sinful herald]

She flies across the screen and is built to cross up, the run up low and trip guard stuff comes later. Iow don’t worry about her short limbs also don’t forget about far C that button is amazing

It’s basically only 2 routes for now corner and midscreen each for .5 bar. 1.5 is definitely worth knowing too but it’s the hardest combo I know and it’s not even close lol

Don’t even bother with her supers it’s not worth it

[split grotto]

Some showing of my finger pain

[grizzled heart]

That’s what I’m talking abt

[split grotto]

If I want to learn a combo that not full moon P Ciel from MBACC I'll learn it for sure

[grizzled heart]

MBAACC godlike

[split grotto]

Alright, I really want to figure out this damn K' combo but I can't figure out the whiff 2A into 6B. Because when I do it too fast it's just 5B but like if you wait it'll drop it's very weird.

[rancid marlin]

Need to do it fast. I am better off showing visually

[split grotto]

Let me get a clip of my inputs real quick

[rancid marlin]

Can you do it to training dummy?

Without trying to do it mid combo

[split grotto]

So here's this where I guess the 2A didn't come out

And this is me practicing the input

[rancid marlin]

Hit the dummy with it. It will combo 2 hits

What are you on stick or pad?

[split grotto]

Pad

[rancid marlin]

Analog or Dpad?

[split grotto]

Dpad

[rancid marlin]

Ok that will probably make it easier than when I learned to do it.

Very fast, fingers to the edge of the arrows, down A right B.

If this is too tough use 2B 6B

[split grotto]

Since I'm looking at my inputs it looks the same every time but sometimes I get a 6B sometimes I don't

Like does there have to a space between the 2A and the 6B?

[rancid marlin]

Have to be fast. It’s like Jenet midscreen bnb she does 2C whiff cancel into 3B.

So really if you can hit it on the dummy you should be able to do it mid combo. Make sure you are getting a clean 6B by focusing your direction to get a linear right motion not a fireball motion

We can do online training if you want

[split grotto]

Yeah that's what I'm doing 3A into 6B

But I keep getting 5B what's got me confused

[rancid marlin]

Idk the validity of 3A sub out

But if you are struggling with 2A use 2B instead

May be easier

[split grotto]

I gotta go to work though so I can't do training rn

If you get the chance, can you send a clip like the second one I sent with inputs on?

I noticed at least looking at mine I can't like do immediate 2A into 6B because the game just reads it as 5B so I wanna compare the inputs

[rancid marlin]

Yeah I got you in a lil bit. I legit just got up not too long ago

[magic harness]

When I say K' is harder than Angel...

[rancid marlin]

Angel got a lotta shit though

[split grotto]

K' isn't hard. He just takes muscle memory. At least that how I learned Joe's combo

[magic harness]

I feel like she's more about memorizing and thinking fast
K' is literally the execution

Also...
Is this 2A, 6B a Kara?
Because I see Tyler pressing the 6B after K's arm has retracted
Maybe you have to press it before?

[split grotto]

That's why I like him a lot. I unfortunately really enjoy execution heavy characters that also do rush down or all rounding. But not Leona or her dad

[magic harness]

Leona is actually easier than K' imo
Just gotta get used to linking instead of canceling normals
Which is weird af in Kof

Considering we do it all the time in SF

[split grotto]

I don't mind constantly doing inputs, K' doesn't feel any harder than constantly doing flight cancels or like my favorite umbrella combo in SG

At least this one doesn't have timing

[meager portal]

Yoooo, Tyler cookin!!

[rancid marlin]

@split grotto https://youtu.be/MYxQJ-5xe0Y

[grizzled heart]

These combos r swagged out

[rancid marlin]

my success rate with doing the kara cancel this fast mid match is about 60%. I usually have to end with light DP instead cause it be like that

but also, I dont use 2A

I always use 2B

[split grotto]

Okay, so you can push 2A like right after the 236C 6D?

Me being the resident combo fiend I want to learn it

This will probably have my as hyped as when I learned and landed a Ryu stun combo.

[rancid marlin]

yeah you can but inputs need to be clean

[split grotto]

Guess I'll work on it when I get home

So in the clip you used 2A but does 2B work the same or can you just not get a C DP after it because it's slightly slower?

[grizzled heart]

She Kara on my cancel til I end in DP

[rancid marlin]

It's literally the same thing 2A and 2B are interchangeable. Just that the buttons are right next to eachother so it's easier for me at least. The higher they are when you hit them with the kara cancel, the higher chance you'll be able to actually get C DP. If you are unsure midmatch, go A DP but this is super cancellable to his Shades Super and 236236 super.

[rancid marlin]

ok Lil Wayne

[split grotto]

Alright, I thought since the wiki said 2A it was only 2A and like 2B was just a few frames to slow

Also sorry it's a Twitter link. Is the second combo minus the super. A good one to have? Since it's about my most comfortable corner one from lights with and without EX

https://twitter.com/HenTy56/status/1674571460914839558?t=L6JLoqQNU0gILtmmn5oNDA&s=19

Hen-Tylee (@HenTy56)

My damn FINGERS. It took me all day to get these

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jun 30, 2023, 12:12 AM

[rancid marlin]

Yeah these are good, but these are the combos I do from lights really.

[split grotto]

That's what I thought

I can do them pretty consistently in training

[rancid marlin]

yeah its important to have these down though regardless

but his main starter from heavies is the 214k(214k)

[split grotto]

Yeah that's hard, I'll definitely learn it but right now I definitely still need to learn how to play him in neutral so I'm learning some universal ish combos

I mean I'm kinda playing him like a shoto

[rancid marlin]

He kinda is one

[split grotto]

K' is just an all rounder right? But he has a lot of corner carry

[rancid marlin]

yes

[grim crypt]

I find her neutral to be a lot harder than K' imo

[grizzled heart]

K’ neutral is mad easy

[split grotto]

Is Leona not like rush down with a weird is fireball?

[grim crypt]

She's a charge character that is a mobile rushdown character with her fast run

I wouldn't really use her earing bomb to control neutral personally

[split grotto]

Oh okay

So she's like Blue Mary adjacent?

But no command grab

[grim crypt]

kind of

[grizzled heart]

yeah if you get a far knockdown throw earring and chase it

[grim crypt]

I wouldn't call mary a rushdown character either lol

[grizzled heart]

Some of her buttons remind me of Iori

J.B is juiced

I used to play Leona I was terrible

[rancid marlin]

Leona literally has Godlike buttons

She has autopilot pokes

[grizzled heart]

I originally dropped her for Kim but had been working on K’ little by little as the months went on

[split grotto]

What is Mary though?

[grizzled heart]

Leona is kinda a footsies character to me

her combos are hard tho

[grim crypt]

She try's to do what O.yashiro can but worse

[grizzled heart]

Leona is really swag

[split grotto]

Oh

[grizzled heart]

What was that Leona player from a few TNS’ ago, Shermie Asesina ?

[grim crypt]

yup

[split grotto]

She just bullies you until she can grip you?

[grizzled heart]

GODLIKE

[split grotto]

But just not as oppressive with her buttons

[grim crypt]

You have them and Kurinyanko that play leona

[grizzled heart]

Can’t remember if that player is a she or not?

[grim crypt]

Pretty much

[grizzled heart]

I wish I could’ve been a Leona player :/

I don’t think it’s ever gonna really happen tho

[split grotto]

I have no regrets with my characters

Just dislike that I decided to like Shingo

No one likes Shingo

[grizzled heart]

My team rn is the one I wanted to play at Launch so I’m happy

[grim crypt]

If heidern wasn't leagues better I'd probably be playing leona instead of him

[rancid marlin]

I like him

[grim crypt]

Damn right I think he's buns

[split grotto]

I understand that Shingo is a rush down, but what exactly makes him that and not what Blue Mary is? Is it just the command grab difference?

Since they both have anti fireball, DP, and do well as point characters

[rancid marlin]

Blue Mary is strike throw the character

[split grotto]

They're buttons both kinda are alright only

[grizzled heart]

Strike throw is epic

[grim crypt]

Mary is way better than shingo by miles lmao

[split grotto]

Damn, gonna be honest to a tee. Didn't know strike throw was a real thing in this game

[grizzled heart]

Devious character type

[grim crypt]

but yeah mary is better described as strike throw

[split grotto]

Like it sounds stupid saying that but I just never noticed that in this game

[rancid marlin]

She get's constant knockdown from hit grabs or throws. Then you end up playing the guessing game

And then ggs

Slicer

[split grotto]

Okay, that's definitely not something I ever thought about. I hear strike throw and thing jab into a tick throw only

[grim crypt]

You remember minazuki and mitsuru from persona

They're perfect examples of strike throw

[grizzled heart]

Bro played P4AU 🫵⁉️

[split grotto]

I always just considered them long ass range characters. I guess footsies might be the term but I'm not positive.

Like I understood Junpei being strike and throw because he got a stupid reward off his throw. But didn't notice it with them

[split grotto]

Meet me as a mediocre Junpei now that I'm washed

[grizzled heart]

does it have rollback on ps4?

[split grotto]

I peaked in a crew battle

[grizzled heart]

I wanna get into anime games there r some good ones

[grim crypt]

Yeah I bully tyler and a couple of other people we know with mitsuru lmao

[grizzled heart]

Mitsuru awesome in that game

Lemme play top tier Yukari

[grim crypt]

yup

[split grotto]

It literally was actually a the worst MU for like my characters

[grim crypt]

Think about minazuki's only way of openning people up is with grab or command grab

Unless your sleeping at the wheel and get him by 2A or AoA

[grizzled heart]

I wish Accent Core Plus R and XRD had rollback on PS4

I highkey wanna play some guilty gear

[split grotto]

Okay, I get that. Always just assumed you'd cake on the pressure until they eventually crack. But throwing wasn't a large part of his gameplan

I think when I played sho that's about how I did it. And very rarely actually threw

[grim crypt]

Well yeah at some point someone will get impatient and get hit by a frame trap or 2

But minazuki's main way to open people up is throw or command grab

Same is said with mitsuru is just a lot more scary with her

SInce with minazuki you can kind of wait him out were with mitsuru you need to make a decision or your fucked

[split grotto]

So Blue Mary is like that with the threat of 2 meterless command grabs and one super

With Shingo it's essentially a special low, an overhead that's hella negative, a command grab then system mechanics

[rancid marlin]

"KOF fundies"

[split grotto]

Alright, honestly I wish I didn't have so much fun playing him

He just is fun

[rancid marlin]

Imagine playing boring characters

ew

[split grotto]

That's why I was on the fence with replacing him with Yuri but I really do like Shingo

[rancid marlin]

just become the best Shingo

[split grotto]

Don't say that, that phrase is how I became a B- tier main in P4AU

Dude said "go and be the best Junpei" and then I never looked back

[rancid marlin]

I play ||Rise||

[split grotto]

Damn

Sorry for your loss

This is crazy, I literally landed that K' combo 3 times

But I did the wrong j214

So I couldn't get the DP and now I can't do it

[rancid marlin]

keep going, if you got it this fast you're way further ahead than I was

Took me a long time to even figure out how to do 2A 6B

I saw it but I could never see how

Also, I didn't ask anyone

so maybe if I did I'd have a bit more help back then

[split grotto]

I ended up doing pretty much 2B [6B] but sometimes I'm just not being fast enough

[rancid marlin]

yeah this way is better

[split grotto]

It isn't that bad at least.

I'm gonna review a top 8 CEO match with Zero later today. To see what this Joe player is doing that I'm not or to understand rather what he's doing

If it makes sense I might stop with Rock and go once again try Joe on point

[rancid marlin]

So you're serious about Joe then

interesting

[split grotto]

He's sick regardless of how well I do with him

[rancid marlin]

But Iori isnt

[split grotto]

My main team is my main team because I like them all

[rancid marlin]

[split grotto]

Iori players are probably upstanding members of society. But he's lame as hell

[rancid marlin]

||they really not..||

jk

[split grotto]

Only reason I'm trying to K' is to re arrange my team

Joe Shingo K perhaps

Because I like Liz but I just need to figure out more universal things I think

[rancid marlin]

idk about all that

[split grotto]

Stuff like stagger pressure, hoping multiple times, throwing stuff like that

[rancid marlin]

you already do all of that

and playing with that specific character you will improve with their nuances

[grizzled heart]

Stop smack talking Iori or I will show you how much violence it took to get to this place of peace

[grizzled heart]

This one’s one of my favs

[meager portal]

Me too lol

[split grotto]

I'll keep it mind, I'm not capable of dropping characters permanently

[grizzled heart]

Manifested this when I kept joking abt commissions family guy x KOF art

[rancid marlin]

same

[split grotto]

Well this is my progress, still not consistent but I can absolutely do it I just gotta be faster

Depending on how I feel I swear I might just spend another EX to guarantee the DP

[rancid marlin]

Damn that’s hefty progress already

[split grotto]

Yeah I'm taking a break now. But being able to 4K 214 214K is nice

[split grotto]

Ladies, gentlemen and non binaries.

The combos actually aren't impossible but I decided to cheat

[rancid marlin]

Nice

Now do it on P2 side

[split grotto]

Doing K' combos facing left gonna me 13th reason

I'll get them though

I did the same thing with Joe so it ain't impossible

Next thing though is getting matches with this man. Right now I'm legit playing him like Fireball, DP, and KOF and that's it

[split grotto]

Fresh from the oven

[rancid marlin]

[rancid marlin]

Really just shooting fireballs tryna get them to jump. Then hit them with the anti air kick variant of ein. Pressure them like how you do with Shingo.

[slate mica]

Okay, just wtf are you supposed to do to relieve pressure on defense. I'm finding my options tend to be

• back dash
• hop/jump
• keep blocking
• GC roll (and get blown up by mashing)
  Sylvie:
• interrupt with a dp
  Shermie
• interrupt with a command grab
• make a hard read with a 2C and get blown up by lows
  Dolores:
• 2B if it's not a safe block string
• make a hard read with a 2C and get blown up by lows

Am I just approaching this wrong?

[grizzled heart]

You could also try regular grab to catch bad jump ins

[raven ridge]

Escape pressure with who/against who?

If generally speaking, if the opponent likes to use buttons, GC blowback to reset neutral.

If you know/predict they'll finish with a special, GC roll so you can get a full punish

[slate mica]

The big ones rn are Terry and Krohnen

[raven ridge]

Meterless, personally, I'm a counter guy. I press. So light punch/light kick.

[raven ridge]

Terry you can definitely GC roll, his recovery is atrocious and very commiting for a full punish

Krohnen I would opt for a GC blowback

Make him piss off and respect the space with a SS if he keeps pushing you

Once you reset neutral, the aforementioned movement options are ones I generally like to use

Hopping back/hyper hopping etc. Shimmy for the long 5d or something, again, just me though.

Underutilized movement imo are neutral jumps/neutral hop. Lotta mfers keep going, depending on who you're up against, could result in a whiff and a big punish for you

Keep going though man! I been dropping in here and there, seems like you're hitting your upcurve. Everyone plays differently. Just gotta keep fooking around and finding out

[slate mica]

I see. I'll run those options in the lab and get the timings down. As always, huge thanks, homie!!

[raven ridge]

most terry use the backfist cmd normal to continue the string unless you're point blank, if they don't commit to a special and you GC roll, you get punished (if they're fishing for it, otherwise you'll block), but if they commit to the special and you gcroll, that's a free punish for you

[meager portal]

Sometimes I'll end a terry pressure string with light fireball, and if you GC that, you can punish terry for it, but if I do something like a light burn knuckle and you GC that, I'll be just out if range for you to punish and it kinda resets both characters to neutral

GC against terry is scary because like mac said, terry is very committing, so if you got the bar I'd recommend it

[grizzled heart]

She hop back on my long 5D til I shimmy

I also hate fighting Terry

[rancid marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/dbfz-trunks-gif-18357464

[split grotto]

Alright, let me ask an obvious question.
At my level, where I still have a lot to learn in general.

Is it possible for me to do well in a game and still lose? Since I just assume if I lose there's a whole laundry list of things I did wrong and I get stuck trying to figure it out

[plush delta]

You already know the answer to that 🙂 accepting it is the hard part

[split grotto]

Hmmm, I've been thinking about it like all day especially today. And yeah it definitely doesn't make sense on paper.

"How can you do well and still lose?" I just have trouble seeing it

[plush delta]

The trick is having goals other than winning

Again it’s not easy since losing is a big psychological blow

[split grotto]

Alright, I can understand that. But the goal is to improve, setting the micro ones is the part I'm terrible at. Because it's something about everyone else does

[plush delta]

Look at @meager portal for someone with the right mindset

[split grotto]

Right now I wish I knew what I should be aiming for. All I can see is the macro. Dropping combos, not reacting to hops and getting mashed on. But there's definitely more than just those things happening. I just am having an inordinate amount of trouble figuring it out

[meager portal]

What I use is I just try to land stuff I practice in the lab

When I fought oli in a ft10 earlier, I kinda knew I wasn't gonna win the whole thing, but I set 3 small goals to try and hit during the set

1. Win a match
2. Land a crossup light combo
3. Land a terry touch

The goals don't have to be hard and they can be small things that you do all the time.

And then at the end of the set, instead of going "aw man I lost" I could be proud that I hit all 3 of my goals, and a lot of times, that can help ease the sting of defeat

But thats just me.
You can do what you want and what works for you🫵

[split grotto]

Micro goals are always hard for me, like crazily so. I would love to like say "Land one Shingo command grab combo" but that's like absolutely the only one I can think of

Maybe anti air with Joe

[meager portal]

That's a good start

[split grotto]

After walking and thinking probably way to hard. It would be great if I could just "play KOF" that would be fantastic. But that just doesn't feel possible

Like this game has a lot going on at any given point that 9/10 times, it feels like I have to make a decision of some sort. And I feel very much I have to weigh my options. Recently I've been trying to just throw out the 5A when I see their feet leave the ground in front of me but then it's a regular jump and it's my jab. So like that's something I gotta add to the mental stack hard. "Blocking is a timer, ticking down until I eventually get opened up, command/regular grabbed, or guard gauge blows up

But there's so many options to just do at any given point and it's just all has a counter play etc. And it makes my brain smoke it feels like. I just don't see how everyone can just play without thinking about it like that. Does anyone have any advice on it?

[slate mica]

Are you familiar with the concepts of "thinking fast" vs. "thinking slow" in terms of fighting games?

[split grotto]

Absolutely not

Never heard of it

[slate mica]

https://youtu.be/g4-EyNJhcQ8

Core-A did a great video on this. It helped me with my overthinking in matches

[slate mica]

So the way I've adapted this is to the game is to try to control the anxious part of my brain. Yes, the timer's counting down. Yes, I'm not in the best position I can be. Right now, I've got to work on getting some frametrap offense on this blockstring or I've got to work on getting the pressure to release (which has mainly been my focus today). And then in another match, I might specifically focus on something else.

In our last match this morning, my main focus was specifically on starting offense with Shermie using 5A. That's all. 5A xx 5C link on block maybe. And sure, occasionally I might mix in another approach because just using 5A is going to get me blown up. I'm only able to do that because I'm not thinking about Shermie's range on hyper hops, jumps, forward dashes, qcb.D, or anti-air startups.

So, like, your combos are solid. Like, rock solid. And that tells me there is a big potential for what you're describing here as system 2 thinking can in time convert into system 1 thinking

That's a big part of what I think has made @grim crypt a stronger player the past few months with his Kim and Iori. He has the setups and rushdown all built to that system 1 thinking, which allows him to better shuffle between the pressure setups in matches.

Bur that all comes with experience and consistency. The best we can do is not to force anything when it comes to that, but rather work on it a little bit at a time every day.

[grim crypt]

As usual my heidern gets no credit lmao

[slate mica]

Haven't played your Heidern lately, admittedly lmfao

[grim crypt]

It's alright It was a joke on my end

[slate mica]

I feel, hehe

[grim crypt]

Let me scroll up to see if I can put some insight

I don't have anything to say because Lou explained everything really well

[slate mica]

Heheh, I try. Thanks, homie!

[split grotto]

That's a pretty solid video. Sorry I took so long to watch it. I'm about positive I'm only ever in system 2 unless I'm confirming, mindlessly blocking, or searching for something. Like a jump to level 3 as Joe

Which I guess would explain why this game always gives my a headache. Since probably about 80% of the game is system 2. Since I definitely don't know what skill to put into system 1

This has only ever been a problem for KOF though. I've said it before to other people but I've played a lot of anime games and never really had to think nearly as hard as I do with KOF. When I started I really felt like KOF was not a fighting game because nothing I knew from other games carried over well at all. Which lead me to essentially delete all of my muscle memory from everything I've played. Just to attempt to understand this game. And about over a 150+ hours in. I still don't have a system 1 grasp on anything except the 3 things I said up top

[slate mica]

Interesting. In training mode, do you practice defensive pokes? Safejumps?

Back when I was wrestling in college, for warm-ups we'd drill 3 different setups for single leg takedowns, 3 for double leg, 3 for hip tosses, etc. Perhaps something like that can help in this instance. Ex: getting a training dummy to hop at you and practicing your anti-airing could help with locking in the system 1. Because it sounds like you're just about there. You see the jump. You 5A. Their arc's off and you whiff. Alright, we got data. Does a 2A work vs. a hop and give you time to recover if it's a full jump? Does a 5B? It sounds like at the moment part of the issue may be using the right tool for the situation at hand.

[split grotto]

I thought 2A whiffed on hops? At least it seems my characters do

[slate mica]

Some do, some don't. That's why it's important to check.

Sylvie's does but Dinosaur's doesnt

[split grotto]

Okay so I've been told I'm not using K's kit well. Which is literally whatever. I'm still learning that so I'll take it and understand it.

But it got me thinking that I don't know my own characters tools at all. So I visit the dream cancel and then I read the pros and cons again

So I have some questions.

What the hell does this mean? I thought most of everyone's buttons were like this. Like it's not SF where every normal is negative on block

And then this, I thought at footsie range you don't use fireballs and especially at certain other ranges. Like I guess super jump range. I thought you'd only chuck them at a safe distance

[slate mica]

Full disclosure, I'm not a Joe main. However, a lot of what Dune discusses in his Joe guide seems to center around making the opponent play defensively and controlling the opponent's efforts to start offense midscreen rather than win a pressure war with the opponent

Source: https://youtu.be/EpOIT_FT4W8

[split grotto]

Am I really supposed to be playing fast street fighter with a sprinkle of KOF with Joe unlike the other characters playing KOF? Where I gotta work the footsie games incredibly hard and attempt to make them just block the hurricanes by constantly anti airing with the DP

[split grotto]

Definitely doing my best to try to understand it

[meager portal]

If you want Joe training, hit me up and we can play some sets dawg

I dont got the best Joe, but my Joe can give even @magic harness trouble hehe

[split grotto]

Yeah if I'm around I'm up for it

[sinful herald]

Great video and the book it’s based on is even better (so far). Same title

[sinful herald]

I’m not sure there are 9-10 things going on at the same time, because our opponents can only put us in 1 or 2 situations at max. Maybe in like checkmate situations where I’m cornered and my opponent throws a projectile for chip but throws me if I roll forward but those are rare and I had a whole match to not find myself in that position

But for the most part, nah it’s very much one situation or another at any given time. Game is fast and I’m not trying to take away from your experience but this sounds more like you’re overloaded than there actually being 10 things happening

I’ve told you this before but I’ll repeat it, if you’re getting guard crushed you gave up a turn. Pressure does not last long enough for a single string to cause guard break

Even K’ in the corner

Iow the sooner you take your eyes off your guard gauge the faster you’ll be taking your turn back which will allow it to refill. Blocking is not the devil, giving up our turn is

[split grotto]

I wasn't talking about specifically guarding, it's more like. Round start happens, I gotta figure out, am I gonna chase, back up, projectile, slide, regular run, hop, hyper hop etc. Plus I gotta make a guess for what the opponent is gonna do. But I'm thinking like this, or at least do sometimes in neutral especially

[sinful herald]

I only brought up the guard gauge because you did

For round start just have a list of options for each character, I watch high level players and do what they do

2 things about KOF neutral; jumping (all 4) is relatively safer than in other games. Whiffing buttons (when out of the KOF triangle) especially stuff like hop CD is less risky as well

Also our guessing gets cut way down when we’re attacking. It’s pretty much something that happens on our wake-up and that’s only if our opponent represents multiple options

[split grotto]

Definitely at the time, I was definitely thinking I just had to think 2 steps ahead but that was definitely giving me a headache. @slate mica sent that video and it moved my thinking around.

But at least playing last night and today against Daru I think I did better than I normally do by exhausting my mental. At least now I'm making guesses and I somewhat understand what they beat and what they lose to

[slate mica]

I'm trying to focus on what to improve on, and was wondering if folks had any input on which aspect is best to prioritize. Rn I need to work on

• decision making
• using lights
• confirming off lights
• increased pressure from lights
• increased pressure in general
• defense in general (but mostly not getting frametrapped and using GC CD better)
• earning offense off methods that aren't lazy af neutral skips
• not walking into jump-ins
• escaping from the corner by not using fucking rolls

But that's such an extensive list, I have no idea where to start

I'm trying to be patient with myself, but rn I really don't think I've improved in half a year, which is exceptionally frustrating to see

[split grotto]

I'd try to work on the 3 ones that have you using lights. I'm not gonna suggest you only use them. But definitely put it near the front of your brain

[split grotto]

Well I guess I'm not gonna play K' any longer

His inputs are what's bothering me. It's very hard to explain but I just can't do the inputs for his specials in a game

So I guess I gotta figure out a team now

Which means I've reached another impasse, which absolutely sucks.

[rancid marlin]

Keep Shingo and Joe

[grim crypt]

At the very least stick with Joe

[split grotto]

I'm back from eating. My issue I had with the set I just played with Zero, and I literally could be an off day. But I just apparently can't consistently get 236 inputs off of 2A. Because Shingo gives me that problem every once in a while

Where like I land the low, but there's just a gap between the light and the special so I just blow up

At least that's what I felt after being smothered by Iori and just thinking about it

[grim crypt]

I'll have yours and Dyl's set up by today

So you'll be able to see

[split grotto]

Man I don't think I even want to see, that's gotta be the most embarrassing 0-10 I think I've had

Asides from that, I guess I'm just gonna stare down the list of characters I play and figure something out or just step away and have something pop up later

[slate mica]

It's likely less embarrassing than the 0-10 I recieved yesterday where I got hit by an empty jump dp

[plush delta]

Sounding like Lou. I suggest you both stop playing against zero until you are in a better mindset with losing

[split grotto]

If I put Joe on point, I assume I'm looking for someone to be able to meter dump once and leave them bleeding or for someone to do really well with a bar and a half.

[slate mica]

Ouch.

[split grotto]

The statement above doesn't like really have to do with me losing, it's more of like I just can't get my inputs with K' so I think I should try a different character

[slate mica]

Honestly, I was fine until this morning when I asked for what I should focus on specifically and then folks just gave me advice on how to fight Iori specifically

[split grotto]

This is definitely also due to the fact that I just don't think or am having trouble accepting it's possible to have a bad MU against an all rounder

[grim crypt]

You think I like looking back at tournament loses

Hell no LMAO

[slate mica]

And then I realized the same problems I had in November is still have now, which means I'm learning at a super slow rate and may be braindead

[grim crypt]

But I have to make sure I know what I did wrong or right that made me lose

[slate mica]

It has nothing to do with losing -- even if I won and had those problems I'd still be beating myself up

[split grotto]

I was there when I lost though, I felt Iost because I got smothered and just couldn't think about any way to get out. And I just got hit " a LOT"

[grim crypt]

EVERYONE LEARNS AT A DIFFERENT PACE

[slate mica]

It's been nearly a year

Same issues

[grim crypt]

Not everyone is gonna pick up on something that quickly

[slate mica]

Especially if you're a slowpoke like me

[split grotto]

Then if I put Joe on anchor, the. Then I need someone who's scarily efficient with 0-.5 bar I'd assume

[split grotto]

I was in marching band for 4 years and had some of the same problems from middle school

[slate mica]

"Huh. Me don't move well?"

[split grotto]

It just kinda be like that, sometimes you gotta accept a weak point you got and understand it's just gonna be slow moving

[grim crypt]

Oliver and I suggested yashrio to you for a reason

He does what you want a character to do

and he can be played at any position

I can literally teach you the basics with yashiro

[split grotto]

I'll give him a try in training mode right now but I'ma be honest. I just don't like him. Something about him

And it's not because he's specifically good or anything

[slate mica]

I just did a ft5 vs. Pace. I won matches there, and many of the matches were close. I'm still upset with the flaws in my play.

[plush delta]

I bet you wouldn’t be upset if you won the set though

[slate mica]

No, I would

I've won sets here and been upset this past week

I just didn't vocalize my disappointment

Because that's rude

[plush delta]

I remember you won against Tyler and you were in a good mood after

[slate mica]

No, I was not

I just do not complain when I win

That's not cool

Rather, I don't do that now

[split grotto]

He's not cool, that's why.

He ain't bad whatsoever, after just messing with him

I just don't think I want to play him

It's weird, I'm like 5

Yamazki is on the list, I don't know how shun does on point but he's there for me to try

And then Rock

[grim crypt]

He's alright on point

[split grotto]

Then for anchor, I guess it's between Yuri, Yamazki, and potentially Sylvie but that's really up in the air.

[grim crypt]

Yamazaki goes anwhere personally

[split grotto]

I think Yamazki does best with like a bar but it's more because I struggle to do his OTG input

Since poison plus OTG is just really good

[grim crypt]

You can buffer

and the button hold trick makes it easier as well

[split grotto]

The input it self is what I struggle with. Since I keep getting like 6321476 as my input so I get a jump back often. It happens SUPER often when I try to do it with Shingo because he has the same input

Or I actively try to not over shoot it and then I tend to stop at 1

[grim crypt]

Before doing any combo practice anytime you boot up training mode just practice that input 10 times on each side

[split grotto]

I can get them pretty alright in practice, definitely not 10 times in a row though. But then it's playing and inputting it. 2A into 236 is an input I struggle with in games but like never in training. On both sides. I'll give it a try regardless because a lot of characters have that input it would seem

[grim crypt]

I swear sometimes it makes me wonder how your gripping that pad

[split grotto]

Hori pad

Fat ass fingers

I just over step or under step a lot weird inputs. Like a really weird issues I have with K' is that even in neutral I can get his 236 sometimes so I just 5C at nothing

Even though that's a basic input I've done for years

But I wanted to ask the reasoning @grim crypt why I should put Joe back on anchor? I know I said my team died the second he died but if it's because I just can't fight Iori then why else. Or was it just a general suggestion?

[grim crypt]

Just a general suggestion

[split grotto]

Okay

Guess I'll try not to over think that

Alright, so I guess it's really between Learning Shun, Re learning Yuri or Yamazki, or going back to Rock

I'll probably go back to K like genuinely on a B team

[grim crypt]

Just try who interest you the most

[split grotto]

Well I guess that's between Yuri and Yamazki. Since I just put time into learning K, not in the mood to start from scratch again.

And it seems like Yuri and Yamazki can be moved around

[grim crypt]

Yeah I'd say so

[split grotto]

Alright hell, back to the Dream cancel I guess. I gotta figure what they both do the best or worst. I understand that Yamazki is crazy good with like a bar or a bar and a half. Then Yuri I guess is just slippery with air movement and is just generally fast

And also does damage but she has like no range

They both have one slight wall for me. Yuri's is I suck at doing proper fast offense which is fine because I can learn and it's universal but I know myself. Then Yamazki is literally just that input

[grim crypt]

If you want practice on that input yamazaki will force you to do it

so that in turn will help out shingo in the long run

[split grotto]

Yeah I'm not against that, Yuri might be able to teach me how to stick on an opponent who can block

[grim crypt]

They both can really

[split grotto]

Oh really

[grim crypt]

Yeah once your in with yamazaki it's hard to get him between his overhead command grab and stance cancel stuff

[split grotto]

Alright guess I'll try this out again

[split grotto]

@rancid marlin where did you want to talk at? Discord?

[rancid marlin]

Ps party is a bit more convenient, but discord works too

[split grotto]

Well just send me an invite to a PS party

Otherwise I'm just labbing Yamazki

[rancid marlin]

Gimmie a sec lemme save rq

U can lab and allat

[split grotto]

Certainly forgot how sick this dumbass is. Back on the Yamazki grind for a bit

Definitely just remember the buttons and stuff. I guess only issues is no meterless reversal

That's kinda rough

So getting out of pressure is just gonna not be easy

But doing stuff like 2C stance cancel into overhead is pretty sick

He's probably gonna he the only character I really need to lab a BUNCH of block pressure for after I get a large feel for neutral

Right now it's just large button stance cancel. Randomly send the low snake arm

[grim crypt]

It's a good start

[split grotto]

jCD and jB

[grim crypt]

iirc from heavys, command normals and stand CD he can be plus from a stance cancel

jD is also a instant overhead

[split grotto]

Watching gameplay of Yama a bit closer and more understanding of the game. You just kinda do shit? Occasionally grab, overhead, go for a HARD read with A snake arm

[lament mirage]

The way I see it, tip of Snake Arm distance is where you want be most of the time. See how they react to it and them work around from there

[grizzled heart]

This 👆

If you consistently get good snake arms you shut down so many of a players options

Anti Air Snake Arm will make someone stop jumping

Counter will also

Because like a great yama scenario I always have to deal with is dodging snake arms … trying to make my way in… finally get a jump in! And then boom the Yama pops counter

@snow beacon is the king at this

I’m no yama player but that’s just my thoughts…

[sinful herald]

I think the 3 about lights could be condensed into 1 (just using lights) for starters. But overall I think it’s possible (and very likely more effective) to work all of those up semi-simultaneously

Put each on of those things on a flash card, run FT5’s and reference the card in between matches. Swap to a new card every set. Keep track of the order they were in and then watch your replays with that in mind

I do something similar with both SF and KOF

The thing about building new skills is that progress can be all over the place and since we’re there for every step, it can feel like none is being made when it definitely is

The last time we played I noticed 2 things. At the beginning I saw that you were better than the last time we played

At the end I noticed that you were making adjustments to what I was doing

It’s hard to see for ourselves but it’s there man

[slate mica]

That's super methodical. I appreciate this insight. I use spreadsheets/ workbooks for everything, so this seems right up my alley in terms of analysis

[slate mica]

Interesting. I'll make a note of this. It's super difficult to gauge progress for me, especially being stalled out at rank 27 forever

[sinful herald]

No prob. When I first got SF6 I played for about 2 weeks without even using the drive rush/DR cancel system (even tho it was being used quite liberally on me 😹), I really wanted to just focus on my midscreen and corner BNB’s and reacting to drive impact. Also DR did not make a bit of sense to me

I had all of those written down and would reread them during the 10 second timer in between matches. After watching enough high level matches (I typically do this while eating lunch and 30-40 minutes before bed) I pieced together a couple DR combos/oki setups and those have been the focus lately. Rinse repeat

[sinful herald]

I played about 200 or so ranked matches and hit a wall, which was right around the time I joined this server. Had heard Juicebox telling a SF 5 player, “Ranked isn’t doing much for you now. You need sets.
Long sets with many different opponents and ones that are much more experienced than you”

[rancid marlin]

I’ve noticed Dyl has set a ft10 trend in the server lately

[sinful herald]

And that’s been my lane since then

[sinful herald]

Yah I did too good for him, that’s literally how all the top players train

It’s a bigger commitment but worth it imo

[rancid marlin]

I hope everyone feels like it’s worth it afterwards

[split grotto]

Only thing I don't like about FT 10 is how long some ass beatings go for

[sinful herald]

Yeah for sure, just depends on what people are after ya know? And like, I’m not shitting on ranked anymore because I understand it has its place as a great environment to simulate tournament sets

Those can basically be boiled down to:

“Lemme just make shanking motion run my bullshit and gtfo” which essentially forces a situation where the player who has better adaptation wins

[sinful herald]

Divorce yourself from the scoreboard and wife up whatever it is you’re working on

[split grotto]

Absolutely a skill I don't have

[magic harness]

I actually love long sets
But I feel like I get tired and start auto piloting by the end of it

Specially if it ends in like 10-9
That's like 19 games in a row

[sinful herald]

That just means you and your opponent are closely matched but again; yeah it’s a commitment

[magic harness]

Also, I have to admit that I think I have poor adaptation skills
It's not rare for me to open a set like 5-0 and then lose 10-6

[rancid marlin]

I think when facing certain players it may be like, ok this person may give me a hard time. I would like for it to be as constructive as possible though, this I why I said what I said about I hope people get something out of it

[sinful herald]

Sounds to me like you have one game plan with no additional layers so after you’ve represented all your options a savvy player makes the adjustments

[rancid marlin]

Cause when you getting straight killed 10 games straight It can be frustrating

[sinful herald]

Lately I’ve been saving my super cheap shit for the close out (assuming I’m winning lol)

[magic harness]

It is exactly that tbh

I need to work on gameplan and adapting
I do start doing different stuff, but like, different routes for combos and different resets
But not actually different gameplan and approach

[split grotto]

Yeah just a little bit. It's just disheartening is all

[rancid marlin]

I just be doing shit

No lie

Trying stuff out mid match

See what they fall for what they don’t

[magic harness]

I tend to try to steal tech on those cases
Most setups and combos I learned were like that

[rancid marlin]

Yeah in those scenarios you gotta just try to tighten up your game. May not win but hopefully you’ll be able to find some corrective measures

[sinful herald]

Yeah. There’s doing different combos and then there’s switching up what we’re doing on a base level. A classic example is counter poking an opponents approach

Do it too often and a smart opponent will just run up DP, or shatter strike or whatever. So we mix those and keep them guessing

Same with oki. Going for meaty 2B every time is begging for a reversal which is why sometimes we throw them and sometimes we just block

[rancid marlin]

I hope you’ll be able to get to this point. I remember when I first got the game everyone I faced I felt like was a EVO tryhard. 1st KOF, so like I had to get this from scratch.

[split grotto]

Yeah this being my first KOF it just feels like a struggle 200% I know I'm not bad at least. I have the skill of "combos" and now being a bit better at Joe. But I can't say with confidence I got any other skills so far

[magic harness]

Exactly. I think the secret to doing that better is not auto piloting and doing the same over and over again
Actually think before acting

That might seem obvious, but it's quite hard to me
Most of my fights I just do on instinct, act and react based on...
Not even I know

So if I'm not actively thinking about it, I just spam roll
At the same time that if I do think constantly about it, I feel like my reactions like anti airs and dash checks get slower, since I'm thinking hard about not rolling

[rancid marlin]

You be rolling on SF6 too?

[magic harness]

It's an issue I really need to work on, as I feel like it's what's keeping me from leveling up
Both in Kof and in SF

I think Kof might be worse tbh
Because of the rolling
I don't think I have a habit so bad and so stuck with me in SF
I just auto pilot to like 2 or 3 approaches like raw DRing or jumping

[magic harness]

LOL
Thank orochi no...

[sinful herald]

Circling back to this because on the one hand, I totally get it and understand. Losing sucks no one enjoys it

On the other, I hate when stuff (especially myself) holds me back and I try to move on from habits, thoughts, and feelings that impede me being the best Smoke I can be

[magic harness]

I couldn't agree more
How am I gonna be able to beat Daru, Tricky and Xiao Hai if I don't stop rolling at every possible situation?

[sinful herald]

She’s a polarizing figure but bar none the best advice I’ve (still to this day) received was from Tricky and it was this

“Use the time you’re blocking to figure out what you’ll do when it’s your turn again”. Has helped massively in both games

And cuts way down on autopilot

[split grotto]

Well, I don't know what the best "Tyler" has that I don't have. Of course I gotta figure it out and shiz, but I fight people and I'm just like "DAMN, I wish I knew what they were doing that I'm not" but I can't be told it. I have to like be told the exact reason or situation that's being aimed for.

[magic harness]

This is one of the best advice I ever received
Will start doing it rn

[split grotto]

Like Joe, I had to have a SF player explain and that one video Lou sent why his buttons are good

[sinful herald]

Nothing wrong with needing an explanation for stuff to make sense. And all I meant with the “best smoke” thing is when I run a FT10 with someone that’s killing me, thoughts like:

-I’m bad at the game
-omg I dropped the kill combo
-holy shit they just randomly DP’d
-Argghh!!1!

are just flat out unhelpful and get in the way of my progress so I do what I can to flush them asap as possible

[magic harness]

Assume every random DP was a read

[split grotto]

All I ever think I guess genuinely is "Back to the drawing board" and "Wow I stood no chance" when I didn't really stand one

Then I de tilt in like an hour and think hard. Which is why I go through so many characters

[sinful herald]

It’s not me saying I’m better than anyone, just that from a purely improvement based perspective those thoughts, feelings and emotions stand at odds with my getting better

[magic harness]

Strive to be the Lv9 CPU

[sinful herald]

Complete side note but you may be hurting your progress by switching characters so frequently. Idk I’m not you, but it would mess me up

[split grotto]

Ah. Character swaps normally don't ever bother me. Only characters I have "time in" is like Joe and Shingo

Otherwise it feels like a lot of the others are kinda equal

Liz included

[sinful herald]

I’m just saying that you’re likely only barely scratching the surface

[split grotto]

Even though my Top 3 are those characters

[sinful herald]

Prob not a coincidence

[magic harness]

Agree
Diving deep into your characters is probably a good idea atm

[split grotto]

Well I have yet to find a character that I like as much as these other 2

So I'm just kinda looking

[sinful herald]

I play Shun, trust me I know about putting time in. And now I’m at the point where people are calling for nerfs to my mid tier ass character 😭

[magic harness]

I feel that tho...
I kinda feel like Shermie is the only one I feel completely comfortable and deeply know
Thank Orochi (literally), I can have two Shermies

[split grotto]

I mean my Joe and Shingo are about probably like a D-C grade. But I'm pretty consistent with the combos and I have a solid feel for their buttons

[sinful herald]

That’s fair. Just saying the sooner you settle into a team (at least for some months) the sooner you’ll notice improvement in KOF at large which will then make it so much easier to pick up new characters

[magic harness]

Billy is probably the one I spent the most time in after Shermies
More even than Angel

But I still feel like he's not at her level

[split grotto]

Like I still don't even think I'm good at my 2 main characters because I don't think I even understand KOF yet

But otherwise if I could find a good fit that would be neat and all

I think it's also because I don't REALLY get team composition like my most used team is all like point characters. Replacing Liz with Yamazki I don't think changed that too much

[magic harness]

Yama is a great anchor

I usually play him anchor tbh
Easy 80% combos is something I never pass on
Lmao

[split grotto]

I mean Shingo does 80 percent with like 4 bars but he doesn't specifically need it so that's why I plop him on 2nd

[sinful herald]

It matters less than you prob think, at least at this juncture. We’re talking extreme optimization here and that’s a ways down the road. Everyone can be played at every position

[slate mica]

Omg, to get back to 27 I faced an Orocho Yashiro, Krohnen, Mai team. But all three of them were played at full screen? Thr Krohnen cornered himself and just used gun super. When he was out of meter, he used crossup empty throws against... Shermie. Just very puzzling decisions.

[sinful herald]

How tf do you play O Yash at full screen???

Agree that’s a wild ass strat

[slate mica]

Corner yourself, use j.D as a wall for air-to-airs and guess right on qcb.qcb.k

It didn't work, but I've never seen that before in my life

And likely never will again

[sinful herald]

What about DP? Or SS?

Odd behavior

[slate mica]

Bro didn't even combo, homie

[sinful herald]

I mean against him

[slate mica]

Oh. Yeah, I mean those absolutely got the job done

[split grotto]

Probably, I still try to see what I consider decent and not. Like I really don't like Shingo without at least a bar. Preferably a bar and a half. So I have on second because it'd be weird to have him on anchor. Joe is maximum efficiency and EX fireball is goofy so I like him on anchor but he doesn't need bar to be successful. So that leaves what I'd want for my point character to do. I have Yamazki just because he makes his own meter and can spend it and I'd still have Shingo with at least a bar

That logic might be whack though

[slate mica]

Yama without meter feels incomplete to me. AAs without that super feels like a rough ride

[sinful herald]

Whack is prob too strong a word but I used to only play Shun at anchor. Swore up and down that he was useless without meter

Now he’s my point character. Try experimenting with different load outs and see what happens

[split grotto]

Since it doesn't combo into super at like farther ranges but always does into C snake arm

[split grotto]

I've tried Shingo on point so many times. But I don't see where he makes his meter. I've been told that's a strong benefit of his

Plus his meterless light combo that I should be doing is really hard for my stupid hands

[sinful herald]

Shingo kick and the bodega pressure string

Also if he gets a crit it’s like a free EX combo

[split grotto]

Funny thing is, because I don't know what balance is. I kinda stopped doing the Shingo kick as much since I guess it gets read a lot. So I like only do or when I exhaust my options or a projectile is coming

[split grotto]

Thought that left him negative

[sinful herald]

He’s safe but yeah turns over. Builds more meter than just light > light tho

[sinful herald]

It’s reactable especially off the neutral jump thingy lots of Shingos do

Just gotta catch ‘em sleeping, the goal isn’t to get a hit every time it’s to annoy, build meter and add to their mental stack

[split grotto]

Stuff like this is why I think mine is D grade. Since it's not exactly safe on block. Except EX, so like unless it was a LUCKY anti air or they were doing something. Not that I've gotten hit in the mouth to lose teeth I just stopped

Even watching other Shingos I still don't get what I'm looking for

[sinful herald]

SK is safe on block

[split grotto]

I've been punished before with the light one I swear

Yeah it's minus 5

[sinful herald]

Punished or you pressed a button after because I’ve never punished SK on block

[slate mica]

It's ANNOYINGLY safe on block, yeah

[split grotto]

The air one is also minus 5, then the heavy one is minus 6

EX is -2 though

[sinful herald]

Yeah don’t press anything after

[slate mica]

It's got enough pushback to avoid retaliation, but as Smoke said earlier, yeah, it ends your turn

[sinful herald]

-5 plus pushback means it’s safe against everything except like…nako DP but that catches literally everything

[slate mica]

Jinx

[sinful herald]

Owe me a coke

[slate mica]

Poopy

[sinful herald]

It’s cool I don’t drink coke anymore except at Christmas

[slate mica]

Are ye sandy claus?

[sinful herald]

Shhhh

[split grotto]

I'll try him on point again one of these days but he feels like a shell without meter. Which is funny because to me Yamazki doesn't

[split grotto]

Also what is the bodega pressure string?

Since it's the end of his turn I never did anything after that

[sinful herald]

Do you expect to keep your turn all match?

Gotta build meter and push your opponent back at least some of the time

Besides moves that are -5 and have pushback mean your opponent can do one thing and then it’s very likely back to neutral anyway

[split grotto]

No I know, I'm saying that I don't get people in block pressure actually all that often as Shingo. So I didn't think it really builds that much meter

[sinful herald]

Idk Shingo lemme boot up and see if I can do the string I see most often

[split grotto]

He either kills or gets killed normally

I know the string I do is just 2B 2A 2A 236A

[sinful herald]

Yeah that’s the one. It’s safe everywhere even if they are cornered

[split grotto]

Yeah I mean, that's about all I do unless they're in the corner. Then I might try for a command grab and blow the input

[sinful herald]

Does the cmd grab set anything up? 70 dmg seems hella not worth it

Like a safe jump at least?

[split grotto]

In the corner it combos into DP

Um EX, combos into about any version of his 412 kick. And midscreen no EX it only combos into EX 412 kick

Actually it goes into the light kick mid screen

[sinful herald]

Looks like this sets up a whiff trap with CD

Which means his turn is hardly over. Can prob jump or hop after too

[split grotto]

I swear I just get smacked out of my things after that

I'll try it again of course

Side note CAN SOMEONE TEACH ME HOW TO LOSE?

I ate complete shit to O.Yash, O.Chris, and Clark and feel like I gotta be on a bus to stupid town

Like he just rolled through so MUCH of my stuff, which means I should probably just I guess mash 2A but like if they don't roll I just get counter hit right?

I understand rolling is easily beat, but like how do you guys know when it's gonna happen

[meager portal]

This might be a bit weird, but I like ft10 sets where I get my ass absolutely kicked because it means there's a massive skill gap and thus, massive room for improvement.

[plush delta]

Once I learn a couple of new characters, I’ll use them for our ft10

[split grotto]

Well playing ranked, I uh can't get to the opponent with Yamazki or stick near them. Which I knew was gonna be a problem. What I didn't expect was to just get punched in the mouth so often in neutral

Since I guess a lot of characters have MASSIVE buttons and can roll I just don't know what to switch to after the main way of playing fails.

Since he's slow I can't just run into them or zone obviously

[rancid marlin]

Let’s ft 10 then but you gotta win. Then that’ll mean there’s a big skill gap and no room for improvement

[rancid marlin]

Gotta sweep

That’s the KOF triangle

Also vary your approach too like run but kinda stop like do some shimmy type

You ever play 2K?

[split grotto]

I'll do it, it gets blocked and then I snake arm or cancel but then I'm kinda lost

Not since 2K16

[rancid marlin]

Lol yeah it’s just like that sometimes

Yama has big ass buttons too but you also have a parry for the mid mashers

It’s super active and can catch a lot of stray pokes

[split grotto]

Like in ranked today. I've run into a lot of grapplers. But Clark and Ralf were giving my a lot of trouble just because I would attempt to do X or Y and get punched in the mouth or grabbed

[rancid marlin]

Yes

It happens to us all:

Ralf and Clark have those big ass meaty fists and very good sweeps

You can hop the Ralf 2C though, Clark I don’t think so.

Clark you’ll have to do some practice against there is a lot of different ways he will try to finesse you with grab. Best to try to come to where you can recognize when he’ll actually grab though.

Like they’ll step in, maybe grab. Jump attack whiff land, grab. run up, armor grab. Clark players smh. Lotta different ways you but need to fight him tho for best practice

[split grotto]

I definitely just need to learn how to lose constructively

Like I didn't lose so badly or anything but just getting the wrong read or like Shermie when she just runs full screen and grabs you makes me feel like an idiot

[rancid marlin]

Nah it literally happens to everyone. Shermie is a grabber it’s what she does

[magic harness]

I love doing that
Lmao

[split grotto]

Alright alright, after losing and sleeping on it. I can't do well with being smothered

Especially with Yamazki

I'll block the hops but not like punish it, plus I definitely just assume every special move is plus on block so like I just assume their turn never ends

If anyone would be up for online training and mic to help me work on defense or like help my set up a bot I'd VERY much appreciate it

[lament mirage]

@rancid marlin

[grim crypt]

Or just go into training mode and recreate the situation

[split grotto]

That's a lot of characters to study.

Umm I mean I probably will do that though

[grim crypt]

And if you don't like looking at dream cancel their is google spreadsheet that has everyone's frame data

[split grotto]

I understand most special moves don't lead you to like an infinite block string