#KOF Coaching

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magic harness
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... almost anybody is cooler than ryu

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I won't tell you about what Capcom did to the guy but that was dirty, and I couldn't look at Ryo the same way

magic harness
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it was at the very end of my SF4 journey

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he was the last character I learned

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and it was cool

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<@&1020150383139631124> <@&1020150124984406036> is 334 damage for 0.5 bar + good oki good? I don't have much reference for that kind of stuff (ALSO LOOKING FOR GAMES RN BTW)

grizzled heart
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That’s acceptable

magic harness
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aight

grizzled heart
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Good oki leads to more damage

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good corner carry as well

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for sure!!! 👍

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the combo if it hits midscreen will get opponent to corner

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yeah... 280 without jump-in though

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@grizzled heart do you have good 0.5/1bar combos for K'? he's the one I'm training and you play him as your 1

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just what special do you use as combo filler after opening opponent up and where do you use your 0.5 or 1 bar?

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and 0 bar too if you have

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Ex Minute spike

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so the notation is...

grizzled heart
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I like to use my bar… whenever I want 🤭🤭🤭

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sorry idk the moves name

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grizzled heart
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lemme show u another

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grizzled heart
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You can do this .5 just omit the ex minute spike after the Ein’s trigger juggle at the end ( @rancid marlin this works right? )

magic harness
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Will train this now

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Even if it's 1 bar for 2 ex

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it's still cool as hell and looks good

grizzled heart
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There’s another one I can show u too I need to turn my PS4 on and record a vid tho haha

magic harness
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ah shit

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don't worry dude, you can do that and show me tomorrow! or later when you have time to do so. Thanks a lot btw!

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but if you wanna play games, I'm up

grizzled heart
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Haha I’m prolly just gonna record the combo and then play FF6

magic harness
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Oh okay!

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Well, if you do it now, thanks a lot

grizzled heart
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I’m all fighting gamed out, I’ll be on tomorrow to play for sure

magic harness
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FF6 a super super good game

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also the Monk has motion inputs lol

magic harness
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Our last match was super fun, next one will be as well no doubt! But you've made a lot of progress if I refer myself to the match against Neo Geo youtuber guy

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so

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probably won't be super close lol

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but it'll be fun for sure!

grizzled heart
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Ehhhh I’m still in the same spot haha

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Kyo is doing more work

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Always hyped to play tho and u good I know life happens

meager portal
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Oliver on his way to recommend Robert to literally everybody ever😂

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magic harness
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Damn K's far.D anti-air into instant air EX 214K almost consistent! ... there might be something going on between me and K' for real

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@magic harness
The Geese combo I stole from @raven ridge is:
Cl. C, 6A, 623AC, 214C, 6A, Super or Climax

I actually don't even know if QM is more or less optimal, but this combo is really good and I find it easy to confirm

magic harness
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climax, I should really QM, or just meter dump all my bars as I already do I think is "alright" for now

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AH
For QM, I found a new one that is better than my last Rashomon one
Almost the same, but a bit more damage and easier to confirm, even tho harder to actually do
Lmao

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QM, Cl. C, 6A, 214C, 2363214CD

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Since you don't need 6B, and you have the 6A and Heavy Rekka, I find it easier to confirm
But actually doing the Heavy Rekka into Rashomon is kinda hard

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Still
I might be going for it

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Lmfao

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Okay lol I already do the optimal one consistently, I just never can QM in match for some reason pressing 2 buttons is too difficult

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I have a question about movement and overall options. as some of you guys have noticed, because of hops, I took the habit to jump a shitload in this game. Hence why sometimes I can take a few games here and there from Luna just by not jumping (LMFAO)

and after playing Ku Ku, I noticed he moves so much... much faster than I do. On my wakeup he's kind of able to almost backdash or hop back, and then come back to shimmy and punish with a light confirm or throw himself. I just can't do this yet, I tried.

Okay, his Mai has more movement options than Clark or Geese, but still. I feel like I'm extremely static when everyone is just flying around.

I do think I backdash and run, but when it comes to rolls and such I don't do them a lot (first off) and I have a really hard time getting in by another mean than hopping and hyper hopping. Getting a run up throw is very hard for me somehow, not in term of input, but in terms of... just doing it, I alwayss feel like they'll just press. Is running and trying to roll behind a good option? How can I fix this movement issue? I feel extremely limited

Is this a mentality thing? Something you can work on?

prime ferry
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I just heard KOF is hops so I hop a lot lol

magic harness
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Yeah, me too

prime ferry
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It's probably not the best to do it all the time

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That's what I do LMAO

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ALL THE TIME

prime ferry
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But Shermie and Yashiro have god buttons in the air

magic harness
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it's because of training mode and CPU

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yes your Yashiro j.D pissed me off a lot, I thought my Rock j.D 6f was fast but this shit looks like 5 lol

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and it's 8

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I checked

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and j.C is just an insane crossup

prime ferry
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I was happy to not let your Rock rock

magic harness
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lol

prime ferry
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Rock pressure can be so good

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yes it can

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I tried working on some stuff but I have yet to implement them in-game

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thing is I couldn't really play today after you left lol, I think I'll just ask Luna not to pick Shermie against me tomorrow to be honest, if I try to push too hard to learn a matchup, I know I might just quit thinking I will never escape Shermie. Really. That's how I quit many games before.

magic harness
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I don't use macros, like at all

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no matter the game

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but maybe here I'll need it

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Maybe I can play your new team
Idk anything about K'
But Kim and Geese I do, quite a lot

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Yeah if you'd like you could absolutely do that

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Just play whoever is fun for you too

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You wanna pick Billy? Pick him (I honestly like him a lot)

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Yama? Yama. O.Sherm? Better than reg for sure now (lmao)

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I honestly am in the middle of a character crisis atm

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uuh.

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shota of course

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prime ferry
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Are there any vids of your Shermie @magic harness ? I'd like to steal learn 🙂

wet briar
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I feel like Shermie is the only char I truly understand deeply and know about...
O. Shermie too, ofc

magic harness
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If I played controller I would certainly play Claw lol

magic harness
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You guys can just play again like tomorrow and you'll have replays Ku Ku

prime ferry
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are there any Shermie players you look up to?

magic harness
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I'd like to play vs. you again

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wet briar
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the thing is, really good Shermie players probably doesn't do the same stuff luna can do against us. For sure. if Tiago and Daru can stop her Shermie, imagine what pros can stop. And I think you wanna learn really easy cheap stuff for now @prime ferry

wet briar
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For quick max ONLY and taunt

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ACD
B quick max

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L2 for taunt XD

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Damm. I'll look into getting a macro for it. I play line layout, I'll have O (PS) as my QM

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oh cool layout

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I play
BCDx
Axxx

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you inverted A and B to get a street fighter kinda thing? punch on top kick bottom

prime ferry
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I like to learn that and then switch games

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yeah cheap and easy, honestly even Luna agrees I think, it's Shermie for you

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insanely high damage and shit

wet briar
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For me light Kick must be on X

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yeah that's just a habit thing I guess

wet briar
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Even on Tekken I play with 4 button layout

magic harness
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like a line you mean? lol

wet briar
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But the same way I play KOF

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cool

wet briar
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Dbfz also

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yeah I've never seen anyone play tekken with a line

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X was fireball

magic harness
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dbfz I play line also

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yes me too

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and top row 3 first buttons were LMH

wet briar
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Yap also like that

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yess

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(I'll go eat)

wet briar
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With a 6 button layout controller

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ah yeah that's cool

wet briar
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Is better for fighters

magic harness
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I always wanted to try a controller like that

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yeah clearly better for most fighters

wet briar
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Sega Genesis XD

magic harness
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exactly hahaha

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yeah controllers like that are cool

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hori fighting commander

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madcatz made some good ones back in the days too

wet briar
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They had very good ones

magic harness
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yes, very good quality, robust, really good ergonomy

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maybe if I had paid for a controller like that I would still play pad today lol

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The pads of the ps are good for all fighters except for KOF

magic harness
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oh yeah?

wet briar
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Thays why I never played KOF when I was a pad player

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I can't Hop

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what's wrong with it? directions?

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ah yeah

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me neither

wet briar
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Or hyper hop

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lol

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yeah that shit is HARD

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on pad

prime ferry
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I played on dual shock 4 today

wet briar
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They are stick as hell

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Playing charge charachters is even worse

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wet briar
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15 minutes my finger is red XD

prime ferry
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Hops are easier on analog in PS pad than on stick for me

wet briar
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But that's my experience playing fighters on Pad

prime ferry
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but I did it on D-pad

wet briar
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Luffy won even with PS1 controller so XD

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Yeah so I felt very discouraged with today's session but I'll brush it off tomorrow. When I'm tired I get depressed about shit lol.

I really need to improve my neutral and movements. Does anyone have exercises I can do to improve in that department? Goals I can set myself during matches? Any general tips? Things I should look out for?

Those who know how I play : do you feel like you can hop/jump on me for free ? Should I do more preemptive 5A's? 2C's...

I feel like I can't get in properly in this game. Idk if I'm scared but approaching by running I have a hard time... doesn't work well for me, almost. I get thrown so easily. People will just 2A when I run into them

I really want to get better at this game and I feel like I suck ass at 2D fighters now. I have a history of being at least decent in 2D fighting games. This game I like more than any other fighting game since SF4 and I feel like I'm hot garbage at it. It feels terribly frustrating. Shit makes me wanna punch walls.

I'm tired. Don't take this too seriously, but it is still very frustrating to see how many bad habits I've taken and how helpless I feel when pressured in this game while feeling unable to approach, pressure, do frame traps, delay my stuff. All the shit I do in other games.

My gameplan goes like this : try to poke and defend against approaches, or try to approach with hops. Get close, try to do a cl.C into combo. Try to bait and punish wakeup buttons/reversals.

It just doesn't work. I respect pressure too much. My attempts at defending/controlling space with normals don't work well either.

And I still ain't good at confirming lights.

I havent had the click yet, maybe...

<@&1020150383139631124>

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Bro felt very discouraged. But the question stands.

About running into an opponent's face, I just remembered how I did it in SF with dashes; KOF has a run, so I want to run. But I have to run when I'm in mid-range. Not fullscreen. Lol

In SF you don't dash 3-4 times in a row to throw your opponent or pressure him. Same thing in KOF, you don't run 30 yards.

prime ferry
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You can run for a bit and then hyper hop

magic harness
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... I think I should try to calm down on all kinds of hops and jumps lol

wet briar
magic harness
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Ah you mean KOF is really different from other 2D games?

wet briar
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I was on your shoes in the beginning of this game

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I played SF dbfz virtua Fighter Tekken etc

magic harness
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Hmmm, okay. That's reassuring

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Yup

wet briar
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This one your like ok I'm playing this for 2 months and still can't hop or do a cross up consistent

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WTF is worng with me

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It's not you is the game

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So you think my previous experience with 2D fighting games isn't really that useful in KOF... interesting

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Okay... yeah, KOF is hard

wet briar
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Its useful but the movement is diferent

magic harness
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Yeah it definitely is

wet briar
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Form all other is not anime

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Is not the traditional 2 d game also

magic harness
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Yeah my only real anime was DBFZ

wet briar
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So was mine

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I was also no newbies to KOF but playing more serious yes this was my first one

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And it too me like 4-7 months to say I'm doing thins more consistent then before

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Yeah I get what you're saying, thank you Tiago. I just have to persevere, try to play neutral with players like Luna, and not try to break my teeth learning a heavy knowledge-check based matchup like Shermie

Just get a real feel for the game

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Thank you so much for your feedback. I overreacted for real, being tired makes me tilt and demotivated so easily too

wet briar
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I understand your frustrations your no newbies to Fighters in general

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I was playing sf6 demo and I was like ok is street fighter still

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I picked the game like it wasn't my first time

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First mistake a lot of people do is playing KOF like is SF

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Yeah I think that's the worst thing. There's really no flex about it but back in the days I was considered a top10 FG players in Switzerland and this game I suck at. Very frustrating lol

wet briar
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Your gonna get bodied you think it's the same as SF

magic harness
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More like top15*

wet briar
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You could be nr your struggling with something try figure it out

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Number 1

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There is something called the KOF zone

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If you know that zone you will know ok form this area i can hyper hop and go jump CD and start pressure

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But from this area if i super jump i can cross up

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YES THAT'S WHAT I SHOULD WORK ON

wet briar
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Then it depends on your charachter

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Yeah for sure

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What i did to get more used to that thing was using charachters with easy cross Ups potential

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Like Mary Chris and then a difícult one people say it's automatic bit isn't and Thays Leona

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Why is more easy to do Cross up with Chris and marry and why is hard Leona

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The thing is...

I should actually think "Okay, this is not too different than SF"

My problem is, because KOF has more mobility and movement options, I play like an idiot running at people's face from 20 meters away... and jump/hop all the time

I should tell myself this is still a game you can play ground based

magic harness
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j.C is good crossup move no?

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Her jump arc?

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Ah, maybe because people know it will come?

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(I like all the characters you mentioned and want to learn them. Regular Chris, Leona, and BM)

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I'll put Benimaru in them too

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(Idk about his crossup capabilities, Beni I mean)

wet briar
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The button is good but i was ok why can o hit with Chris and b.marry and why i can't do it with Leona

magic harness
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Yeah why, that's weird

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Ok why when they are Crouch i do hop with Chris or b.marry it hits and with Leona goes through

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And it doesn't hit

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Why did it missed

magic harness
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Oooh

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Yeah yeah, it's not a down hitbox kind of move

wet briar
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Stuff like that

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It hits more horizontal than down

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Yeah, I got you

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Gotta figure everything out

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Maybe I'll take some more coaching with the other guy who played Daru few weeks ago

wet briar
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Benni is a machine i main him

magic harness
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That might help

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wet briar
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But with benni you can play the hop hyper hop super Jump game

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All Day

magic harness
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If I have a few questions, you and Cien can help

wet briar
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He's a jump character

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With very good button's

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wet briar
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Air to sir

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Yes, j.D, j.B, air drill, air raijinken

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He's good in the air

wet briar
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You can play him like his an anime fighter

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XD

magic harness
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Lol yesss I get what you mean lmao

wet briar
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See Beni Gameplay Thay are all jumping around like Kangoo

magic harness
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Hahaha

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I have to watch some Beni players

wet briar
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Good button's range and he recovers fast when hitting the ground

magic harness
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Yes !

wet briar
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Making him recovery the button and go direct to 2bb 214 kick's

magic harness
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Yup, I see what you mean

wet briar
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See this video

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Of me playing Benni

magic harness
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I think even if you air raijinken it recovers quite fast, so you can bait a punish attempt with quick lights as you said

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Oh yeah video would be great!

wet briar
magic harness
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Thanks!

wet briar
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You can go Jump CD whiffs direct into crouch bb

magic harness
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I'll watch during lunch break

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Aaah yeah!

wet briar
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A lot of charachters can do this with similar diferente button's

magic harness
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In what way do you use j.CD with Beni? It looks a bit weird

wet briar
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Rock jump D

magic harness
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It's not very horizontal or down oriented

wet briar
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Air to air delay for whiff

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wet briar
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Jump D is also good air to air from distance

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Like the arc it has, and its 6f startup

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wet briar
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Hyper hop far away super jump since has good hitbox and his hurtbox shrinks for a bit

magic harness
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Even I have heard about it

wet briar
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If i have time and you like Beni

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We can go training for a bit

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And learn some of the stuff of the game

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There is a video of the KOF zone

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wet briar
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Yap

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If you have time and patience we can for sure

wet briar
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Beni is top charachter i even forget he as air grab

magic harness
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Thanks Tiago, you really helped!

wet briar
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With all button's he has

magic harness
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I didn't even know he has air grab lmao

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Yes Beni very strong

wet briar
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See I knew it

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Hahaha

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I would say... A-tier ?

wet briar
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Yap

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He has some flaw's he will need at least 0.5 bar for more then 40 damage or something

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A lof of his moves don't hit Crouchers

magic harness
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Yes true

wet briar
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Not a very good anti air button

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Except DP

magic harness
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Yes I can see that happen for sure (not hit crouching characters)

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With the kind of normals he has

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And yeah 2C looks weird for anti air

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But maybe 5A 5B might be good to stop hops

wet briar
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A lof of charachters normals whiff that's just bad

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Thays dosent mean he can't win or have other good normals

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You can punish a Hop or a jump when your close to him

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Nothing more then that

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Those are his best button's even Far D

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Can hit but as more recovery if you missed

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If you say you were top 10 in DBFZ in Swiss

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You can get good at this game

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Just take time and go with the flow

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I understand like you are just hoping and hyper hop the whole game and do that Fick it it you lose or win

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Hop and hyper hip until you can do it consistent i was like that in beginning always hoping and hyper hop doing in training mode is a thing doing in a real match is other

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slate mica
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So j.D with Clark I use to defend the airs. With my other characters it is my button of choice to get in with a hop/hyperhop

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Thanks Lou, that's a reassuring message as well

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Okay, so yeah, someone pointed out weaknesses in my Clark's approach about half a year back. When you're approaching with Clark, his j.CD is a great tool.

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If you hit at torso height, Clark's j.CD will give you a frame advantage of +23.

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Daaaaamn

slate mica
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That's like the number of frames you get with jump 4 with Geese in Tekken on HIT lol

slate mica
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This can do two things: keep your opponent from mashing, and allow you to set up offense with with a mix

magic harness
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Thanks for the info!

slate mica
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To that end, Juicey's got a video on a great drill I use now to help with my offfense

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slate mica
magic harness
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Yeah I've seen that one a while ago! Thanks for reminding

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I have to watch all the basic videos again

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Dandy J's classic

slate mica
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This sounds like it could help you set up your offense rn

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Juicebox

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slate mica
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Pleasure to help!

magic harness
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It's just a matter of actually playing the game and let it click. At some point, it will, and I'll become decent

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I think this guy's a huge turd, but these drills were also very effective

https://youtu.be/s7Pj7MjGcb8

YouTube
Moqlnkn
Do this in training mode, do it now. (KoF XV)

If you can't do this drill, you aren't playing the same game as the people who can. Those people can and will exploit you, and you're going to get mad and never play them again, and you're never going to get better. Start actually wanting to get better. The game is designed to be more fun when improving.

Juicebox's Videos:
https://youtu.be/Gatu...

▶ Play video
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I honestly should have one goal right now : play regularly and try to have fun no matter what happens

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slate mica
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Consistency is key, for sure. Especially early on

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slate mica
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Anyway if his shit helps I'll still leave a like

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Huge thanks to both of you!

slate mica
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Thank ya, fella!

wet briar
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This is isn't Tekken where until certain ranks people only know how to do combos and high executioner stuff but don't know hot to punish stuff or play better neutral

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wet briar
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I played a dude he was better then me every way

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If you see okay he ocv me

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wet briar
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Next 20 battles i took him 2 chars that means during that 20 losses you know take him 2 chars Thays evolving

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100% true

wet briar
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If he always kills with his first character your playing worng

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Yes for sure. Getting OCV'd consistently means you're doing something wrong

wet briar
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See this video

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This is where your having problems

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I'll watch this asap when I get home and do some training, maybe try ranked

wet briar
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You have Tekken knowledge so you are understandings what I'm saying that's why they will always be on that ranked

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wet briar
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No matter how good they can combo they will never go other ranks

magic harness
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Yeah because they cant put themself in a position where they can actually use their high damage combos, simple as that

wet briar
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I know because I was once those kind of players

magic harness
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Yes me too!

wet briar
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Always going for launcher and studf win quick sets

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Could hit consistent one frame link in SF4, but can't anti air even obvious jumps

wet briar
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Indeed of playing the game

magic harness
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Yeah I got you 100% lol

wet briar
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Could not punish bar log

magic harness
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Hahahaha

wet briar
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Lol

magic harness
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Yeah balrog point black dash straight? Jab punish, just a LP

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Lmfao

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I'm at that step in KOF actually

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I can do some stuff. I can do combos and shit

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But all the rest I'm bad at, I can only open when opponent does a big mistake

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So thanks for your advice I will watch a lot of videos as soon I get home

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🙏

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Arigato

wet briar
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You gotta make that click

wet briar
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When i was playing DBFZ and i made the click on my brain i ranked up realy fast

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I went from sss3 to living legend in matter of days

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lament mirage
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Eh

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Kinda?

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# wet briar I went from sss3 to living legend in matter of days

See DBFZ is a game that clicked really quick for me, for the first week of the game I might have been the best in my country, then Easyman came in. There are a few videos on YT of me playing against my good friend Easyman, Leffen, even Wawa when he started playing the game... and I was a high rank player for all the time I've played (I got to Living Legend as well, quite fast actually, hence why there are a few videos on youtube of me playing)

also, by total chance my team of choice before the game even released was one of the best teams in the game in the vanilla game. Cell/C16/VegetaSSJ. And I learned about the Cell loops very early on. Hence why I absolutely demolished people week1

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lament mirage
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There's a 13f delay before you can do things I'm pretty sure

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In XV anyway

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There is no instant dash blocking, for eg

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yeah you can't cancel your run and block instantly that's for sure

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And 13f is not much tbh

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it's a down forward 1 startup...

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it's quick yeah

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I'm curious to see how you'll handle SF6 tbh
The drive impact and drive rushes will be tricky to learn and to learn how to beat

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I could already lab stuff

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so maybe it won't be too bad, but it's a 50/50 tbh

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Idk shit about Marisa

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lol

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the thing is : I know how to counter the options, I've tried a lot of shit already

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I confuse the names of the mechanics everytime though, but the "FADC" kind of thing I even already know that Ken and Ryu have some fake pressure on block if they try to do some stuff. I'm at this point already

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COOL

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I...
Don't think so?
Maybe?

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Cool

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I have a question regarding an oki option that's more commonly seen in older KOFs but almost never in KOFXV = rolling on the opponent's wake up to time a button/meaty

I know rolls are very susceptible to throws, throws which come out frame 1 on wake-up in this game, however, I also feel like there is a moment where you can't do anything after you rolled that makes it a very weak option on okizeme (might have niche uses?)

is this right or is it a bit better than I think? I don't think I've seen many people do it, but it might be because the people we watch are very high level players

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I didn't know Clark Frankensteiner has invincibility and is his reversal option

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I thought Clark had no reversals!!!!!!!!

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holy shit

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I think 1F throws nullify this super hard, I have seen it here and there, but honestly 1F throws destroy this and a lot of other options

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this will help me so much

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I know y’all Clark’s can Clark harder

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I was like "hey, maybe super high level players don't go for it" and it's a good option but 1f reversal throw just beats it, no way around it, got it

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honestly saying "reversal 1f OS throw" always sounds like an aberration to me. even though I know where they're coming from, they don't want beginners to get destroyed by veterans just doing non-stop safe pressure with safejumps and shit on oki and feeling helpless

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Smoke kills me w/ the throws

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I've learned how to hit meaties but the drill Lou gave me will help me overcome them, also I should think to input an OS throw tech in my meaties

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when those are made with C or D

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I think I responded with something like, “Thank you for writing all of this” lol. But I’m all seriousness everyone else I’ve literally had to ask specific questions

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Unless you mean I’m throwing you after you do recovery roll on a SKD because yeah I did start looking for that after having it done to me a bunch lol

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You get me w/ this all the time

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Stops me from playing the game

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I must simply tech os

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And do better hop ins

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Oh yeah that. I’m actually trying to punish the landing with close C for full combo but mess it up a lot

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I need to learn how to trip guard

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Bro same

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Tripp is epic at it

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I get lit up by that

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also I need to practice hop sweep punish

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Pretty easy thing to look for tbh once ur ready

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???

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Don’t hops beat sweep?

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Yeah like read sweep, punish w/ hop in

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Ohhhh

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I mean what ur saying haha

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Right. Yeah it’s devastating

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When they punish the sweep:

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Bro every damn time. Sitting there watching the cutscene like, “All I had to do was hit the damn 2C button CJ!”

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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

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That’s what playing Daru is like

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When he’s really cooking

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It can be pretty back and forth w/ me and him sometimes

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Thanks to Tiago's video on the KOF zone now I know it's a single frame window

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Gotta time those meaties

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Low profilin' awww yee

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# sinful herald The only time I ever received unsolicited advice on that discord, the dude beat ...

That's something I unironically did for a French dude who got tilted playing against me. He got into SF5 and DBFZ at the same time in early 2018 (FighterZ release)

I don't remember if it was SF5 or FZ we played. He just played a little Tekken and MK casually before and could do little combos in those games.

I said at the very top "I know you didn't ask, but here are some advice, read them tomorrow and you will improve so much if you work on all that" before writing like 4 or 5 paragraphs

He was a beginner who was able to do special move motions and knew a few concepts like anti air, basically.

I've never seen bro play fighting games ever again.

LMFAO

I think he would have dropped whether or not I gave advice anyway.

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But he had potential to become better than I ever was honestly

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It's just mentality

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He was unable to have fun if he didn't win, he was the type of guy who would've loved to destroy a 10 year old button masher 30-0 and not learn anything, fun was just winning and winning was all that mattered. In casuals. And he never tried to play neutral or do mind games, he was all in on offense because he wanted to play FGs like he played DMC or an adventure game being super OP and shit

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Anyway

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That's always the problem with people who want to be recognized as top world class players but really dislike all the process before being at that stage. In anything. Same happens with people who try to get into music. Or a sport. They always try to hop into a new hobby thinking they will be extremely gifted and just be one of the best right away.

That guy would have loved to be in that video of Xiaohai playing KOF98 Iori with one hand and beating the Arabic player who plays normally, winning EVO's and being considered the GOAT. But everything before being that? He hated. He even disliked learning and going to training mode.

I think Xiaohai was extremely gifted at a very young age. Louffy (SF4 EVO Champ 2014) won the first tournament he ever entered.

But then you have other people who worked their way through, people like Bonchan who was an eternal second place finisher. Those are the guys I support. Easyman sucked for years before becoming one of the best Ryus in Europe in SF4. My friend Malek sucked as well before becoming the 2009 EVO champ for SC... 4? I think it was. Those are the people I respect the most. Those who struggled and overcame. I admire people like Xiaohai and Louffy, but I will never truly root for them because these guys are gifted at the thing they ended up doing. Even if, of course, they had to work really hard and suffered defeats as well.

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Had he just understood someone like Xiaohai is known all around the world being Xiaohai because of his absolutely amazing NEUTRAL abilities and FUNDAMENTALS he could've gotten really good. But bro liked pressing buttons too much.

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Yeah, everyone plays fighters for different reasons. You've really gotta put in the time to get to any level of proficiency and aptitude

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Yes for real. Unless you play without any objectives, you have to be patient. And even if you don't have any objective but to have fun, if you don't want to get steamrolled, you have to put in work. No one has fun not being able to play the game.

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This is my go-to when it comes to neutral:

Control the space. Be confident in your buttons, see what has a high angle that could work as an AA/anti hop. 5a is good to snuff re-hop attempts.
To add, move lots! I try not to backdash too much unless I'm baiting a DP, but hop/hyper hop plenty. Control space/air with jB or jCD - this works going forward and back

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Control the "momentum" of a match when you get enough pokes/SKDs that the opponent becomes more passive/defensive, even for a bit. That's when you press your offense and try for a clean hit into a big combo

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In corners - wiggle in the hop range. This way you can bait a DP, catch/punish a roll, and force the opponent to become more defensive as they're trapped in the corner

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Lows are your friend. Empty hops help open people up to throws

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What ties this all together is MU xp

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This can go for you too @slate mica

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Just general neutral tips that I employ regularly in my own gameplan

slate mica
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Momentum & neutral are things I find the bulk of you struggle with. You don't know when to press, and then you become stuck in passive/defensive mode where people take advantage of you. Alternatively, the bulk of you get too greedy and leave holes/commit to a trend in your offense

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The "easiest" way to up your baseline is knowing when you play the neutral and when to control the momentum of a match

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Cheats* to favour momentum are things like SS, GC options, neutral skips like crumple/bounce/etc also shift things into your favour for a split second too

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I have a terrible memory so i forget who either of you play, but likewise there are characters who can play neutral or play momentum to a high degree (Luong/Ash)

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Clark, Sherm, Dolores.

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As such, you want to make the most of Luong's mistakes and rush her to death, and you want to be diligent not to get greedy against Ash lest you wanna get blown tf up

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Such is the grand scheme of KOF, play the neutral, play the momentum

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and when I open I DUMP all my shit

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all my resources go in that one opening

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I don't actually play solid, I hope my shit works

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in neutral I lose constantly

raven ridge
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we haven't played in a while

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I know you have a really good Rock

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Rock n Geese have solid buttons to control the neutral. Pressing an offense shouldn't be a priority, rather, control the tempo first and get a clean hit into a big combo. @magic harness

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I do a hop CD, if they try to do anything I just punish. mash a light? I frame trap. DP? I bait.

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sometimes it won't work, but that's life

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You can press once they're in the corner, but mid screen you definitely want to focus on winning the neutral

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Bingo

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I play him very low resource now anyway (Clark)

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the other two I'll spend, as Smoke says

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Rock or geese you play play point too since they have fireball and can thrive without meter. Not saying Clark can't but you open much more potential when you do have some meter for Clark

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Clark actually has a decent QM meter dump

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Confirm to QM xx cl.5C xx 6B xx qcb.C (1) xx hcf.hcf.k xx climax

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oh I do the same stuff except instead of qcb.C (1) I do dp+C

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a few hits then I cancel to 426x2 B/D or BD

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but I don't QM in real match anyway lol

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but yeah, I do see madkof going for this off of a single 2C hit confirm all the time

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anyway, putting everything together only comes into fruition through trial and error in match. Knowing the buttons is one thing, getting the timing right is a whole other beast that many of us are still trying to get down. Great thing about KOF, maybe every fighting game, is that there are multiple ways to tackle an issue

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Yeah, I think I'm still trying to figure out my style tbh

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Not everyone has a dedicated 2c as an aa, some people will have a strong air option to AA (Kyo jCD) . These are things you have to fuck around n find out through said trial and error, and reading up on shit on DC

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Use what’s easier for you

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214 is easier for me since it’s easier to cancel to hcf x2 from there

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Okay! Gotchu, I'll try doing that and see if it's easier for me as well, because even in training I drop the QM combo with DP regularly

plush delta
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214 put you in 4 already for the 426 while 623, you have to move to 4

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yeah true

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probably more consistent for me as well

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so as long as I don't lose 100 damage on it

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I can do the easy mode and go for DP after

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I'll look, maybe I'll train optimal stuff hard

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we'll see

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and I think most people struggle with it, at least those who come from SF

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at least for a good while, now there's also talent and experience and for other people it just clicks faster even though they will struggle somewhere else

plush delta
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oh okay I see!

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I'll try all those things out

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but tell myself that learning optimal is cool too

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and actually training

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In the heat of the moment, it’s not easy to remember which route to go for to get the optimal

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I very rarely miss the combo anyway, one thing I have going for me is execution, I rarely drop, except when I'm really surprised

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Before when I would go for QM, I would hit the QM, not realizing I only have 2 bars

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By using the ex 426 route, it covers all options and meter

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the thing is Clark's optimal route is the one that I have memorized in my head now, I already have some muscle memory on it

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yeah the thing is when I do 6B I wanna do DP STRAIGHT AWAY when in QM

plush delta
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It can lead to either oki reset, corner carry, or damage

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I button hold it already I've noticed

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so yeah

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I'll try it out

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just gotta go get some of that risotto

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@grizzled heart

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@rancid marlin

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Is that a good route for corner meterless?

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with K'

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I'd like to spend 0.5/1 bar to get more damage, how can I do this? His routes aren't really natural to me

raven ridge
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set guard to 1-hit so that way the AI will block if your timing is off

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Yup! Looks familiar hahha

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yeeeees I'll watch it while I eat the RISOTTO

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thanks a lot Mac!

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and @plush delta as well

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no problemoo

slate mica
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Yee, appreciated y'all

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And Lou!

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you don't need it bulletproofed, lord knows i drop that shit all the time, but it'll get your consistency up which in turn raises your base level

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and yes, when I did this back in the days I was like what? 13? and I cried a couple of times

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because I dropped it so high in the counter lmfao

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maybe I would have to do this again

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like extremely fast DPs on both sides

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I wouldn't drop it, but I actually want to do it as fast as I can and not get 6~3 or 6,5,2 no 3

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that way I'll be able to actually dragon when it's needed

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I'm so afraid to do it in KOF because I can't do it with hops lol

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everyone's DP is so different in this game that I hate doing DP in neutral or wakeup looool

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if I can actually get 2C's and 5A's

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SF i DP like it's nobody's business though

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That’s my corner BNB meterless

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I'll go for cl.C

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If u wanna use that button pop an ex after

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you can just go for medium DP and anti air almost everytime with every character that has a DP

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But you’ll have different juggle properties so lab it out

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I’ll show u a good corner combo that I need to do in a match

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Yeah that's what I noticed I wonder what's a good route for 0.5

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thanks!

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RISOTTO

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cl.D does more dmg but slower than cl.C

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Yeah and j. Buttons dont have much hitstun in this game (and it's fair)

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And yes some people are just naturally talented, that’s life. I also root for the underdog and hard worker

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To add on to what @raven ridge said (which is all great btw) there’s a couple things that have helped me think about the game

  1. Know when it’s your turn. This will cut down on getting stuck in fake “loops” and fake pressure. A good rule of thumb is if your opponent ended a string with a special move, they are negative and you are at advantage

  2. Get into the habit of glancing at your opponent life bar and your meter. KNOW what you will do before you get the hit. If you wait until it happens you are already too late

  3. Cycle your options when on offense. Basic mix in most games is something like:

A. High attack
B. Low attack
C. Cross up
D. Throw/command grab
E. Special move poke (that’s safe)

It obviously gets much more complicated but this is a good starting point. Don’t just run up heavy over and over and over. Ask me how I know lmao

  1. Know when it’s definitely not your turn. This is typically after a HKD. Assume you’re getting safe jumped on a HKD and be prepared to block

  2. Know your risk vs reward. This covers stuff like wake up DP or super and other risky options. We don’t want to never make big bets but doing it all the time gets us cooked

This is just a really basic flow, it’s not meant to be the holy grail of fighting games but just a good starting point

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@magic harness @slate mica

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# sinful herald To add on to what <@675893405129244689> said (which is all great btw) there’s a ...

  1. Yes that's usually what I wait for, special moves, except everyone in this game will go for things I never do when I win neutral. They will do a blockstring then either try to hop, or run up throw/low and try to extend their pressure into looping pressure. That's something I struggle with. I have an okay guard for overheads and shit but crossup I have a really hard time seeing and blocking them in this game (same in FighterZ, any game besides SF I have a hard time in crossup)

  2. Nothing to say, legit. Noted

  3. This is precisely what I'm working on right now. Mixing both my offense and defense in what they call the "KOF zone" (aka mid-range, where most far buttons can actually hit and you can almost move back and forth just like SF or run up throw, also hop distance)

This is my biggest problem. I always try to get in to get a cl.C, all the time, or I hop/jump. This is my gameplan so far and it's really terrible.

  1. Really good advice, noted

  2. This is something I've been thinking a lot about lately. KOF especially with QMs is a game where risk reward is extremely important. And also one of the games where in a match you have to think the most long term out of pretty much all fighting games (resource management and such)

It is a really good starting point. Thanks smoke. Honestly I should just spend some time in training with my characters, and do shit that's good with reversal guard on. Pressure, work on safejump setups, etc.

Thanks again!

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And then I have to play a lot. And eventually it will click

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Even if it clicks in August i dont give a shit I'm not dropping this game

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I'm gonna get good at KOF even if it means getting good only at KOFXVI

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My goal is to become a "killer" on this server by the end of the year. If I keep up like this, it is really doable.

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But I'll give it time

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As much as needed

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SF6 could become my main game if it ends up being better than I think it will be... but I'm just never gonna drop KOF. I swear. I've not felt this passionate and eager to get better in a fighting game since SF4 days. And I got really decent at a very hard game (Tekken) just by playing my friends. I should be able to play KOF

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Yes those were really good tips and resources everyone gave

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Gotta get some sleep now lol

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I played 5hrs of pure training today and when I'll be able to apply all that stuff in real matches I will be much less free

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Yeah just keep playing that’s pretty much what it comes down to. Getting familiar with situations only really comes in matches and if we hit a wall where we don’t know the answer that’s where the lab comes in

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# plush delta In the heat of the moment, it’s not easy to remember which route to go for to ge...

So I found a not hard, 100% consistent DP into run super with Clark trick that works for me

I do what Tekken players would call a King/Armor King "giant swing" motion, fast. It's 6~426P (DP alt motion) and then 426K.

If done quickly enough, you won't get the 426P tackle. And if you're scared no to do it quickly enough, you can stop at 3 then do C (DP C)
Right after slide to 6, and then do another 426 then K for the super

That way I got 30/30 attempts yesterday. It never dropped. I just do it fast btw

If I get it today as well, I'll just go optimal and keep doing it that way. And have an alt combo in emergency "not enough bars" case, but I'll stick to try to QM with at least 3 bars anyway

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Maybe you could try? It's cool

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And satisfying to pull off

slate mica
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I personaly dont use super much except for ending round if o want more life to recovery i use Clark on point

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# wet briar I personaly dont use super much except for ending round if o want more life to r...

Ooh I didn't know about this buff. Cool. I still manage to miss the super sometimes (when doing with no alt dp motion)

I use him in point now as well most of the time but I'd like to have fun putting him in 2 or even 3 (madkof puts him in 3, idk what's his arguments for that but it's cool, his Clark is insanely good)

But yeah playing him as 1 I will very rarely do any QM with him. Only vortex!

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I havent had any unwanted special come out

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Just have to do it fast

wet briar
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You can miss but the time window is more the same as Beni follow up Kick into super its hard Timing but you got more frames also to do the super

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Comebacks charachter maybe

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Oh yeah I get what you're saying! Beni followup kick is quite easy to confirm imo (I would miss in real match lol but in training I can do it)

The motion is a bit more difficult for Clark super though xD

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So I believe it is the reason why he puts him 2/3

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90% of the time it's 3

wet briar
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Running tree is the super to go

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Yes running super!

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The other one you cant climax after

wet briar
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You can do it wieh heavy punches you must be quick but there is a but more time

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Tou can do running tree level 1 into grab super level 2

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It's easier with C right? DP C

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Yeah

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With 3 bars yes

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Ooh okay!

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I would prefer doing combo into punches running tree level 2

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Instead clímax

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You wouldnt do running level 1 into climax then?

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Okay! Thanks tiago

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With 4 bars yes

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I will try in training when I get home

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Since we play him on point

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To see what it does

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Yes okay!

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I see what you mean now

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I think on point level One into level 2 does more damage

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Okay!!! Cool I didn't know this

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I would never have thought a level 2 would do even just as much damage as a climax

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Do you also have better oki after lvl2 grab super?

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Compared to climax

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Its because you are using the punches

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Aaaah okay!

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With super and dosent scale

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So you would do without punches?

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As much as doing grab into super

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Okay I see!

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With grab super scales too much

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I think I understand now

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Yes I see

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Punches into grab super = too much damage reduce

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Other way around

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Ah!

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Grab into super less damage
Machine gun punches into super more damage

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OH yes okay I got you now

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And it's true

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A grab into super has a LOT of damage scaling

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I noticed it too

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With punches it's okay

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Just use it to end a round

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Yes absolutely only to kill. Otherwise it's not worth spending the bar

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I play the Vortex game

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Yeah I really shouldn't either

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Yes vortex only with point clark

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That's how I should do it

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Even if my idol does the biggest combos with him

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You can he takes the same damage as o.yahsiro but he hás better buttons then clark for combo into super

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Will you BE online today?

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Yes I will be online!

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I know o.yash is probably better now

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I maybe won't play matches until tomorrow but if you have the time to go online training

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I would gladly take it, so that maybe you can show me how to Clark safejump

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And vortex efficiently

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Yeah, I feel like most meter with Clark is going to be EX tackle anyways

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So spending Bars with Clark should be mostly EX

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Specials, not really supers

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Im glad to help

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@slate mica is right

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There also some good safe jumps after One 214 punches

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Só you dont use the corner

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Oh okay! Cool we can go online training! I will be home at 5PM my time

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So it will be 4pm for you

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16h00

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Nice

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Around that time is mostly when i start playing

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Cool! I'll be here around that time , when I'm here I will tag you in matchmaking asking for online training and you can tell me if you have some time to teach me Clark 👍

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I also struggle a lot changing my muscle memory to get another BnB

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here we go

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Só what do you need?

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I would like to learn some neutral tips if you have some, but what I especially want is to see the vortex stuff

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how to apply it

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Thays realy Nice to do

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already something I learned lol

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it is!!

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CD into dash

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Covers more distance

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yes absolutely

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he goes forward

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Go full screen

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And do just dash

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yup

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Now do with CD

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Do like a pkink

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yes plink

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I'll try

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I should get a macro for CD you think?

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I do manually

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everything I do manually

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I can def play with 6 buttons I'm a SF player

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Me too

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Forget micro on stick

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XD

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Ler the move do the first frames then dash

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damn

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With CD is neutral

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CD into dash is not punishable by anything other than throw?

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okayyyy

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damn

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On block

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yup

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if CD hits

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Let me do grab

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you can do dash into EX tackle maybe?

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yes do

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I see

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But you can tech

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yes!

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btw

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Is even bettr for you in a wsy

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does this game has punish throws? like throws you can't tech or can you always tech

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Back to neutral

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Roll or dp

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I was doing it too fast before I think

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yup

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Saw there punish

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Or dp

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yes always punish

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I do DP now

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ah you can punish by dp?

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that's what you mean?

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Block

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and then I can apply vortex

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after throw

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Yes

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yes, those you cannot tech, I see

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With your comando throw

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aaah

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yeah let's try command throw

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if you want, cmd throw punish

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that is it?

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or should I do it different

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You went charachters with real DP or clark is OK

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?

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clark is okay

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if you need a dp at some point to show something

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See this vídeo

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you can switch

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but I know now that I can punish with cmd throw

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yes

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you can send

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Its quick

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Yes!!! that's what I need lol

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That set up pó punishe rolls and grab

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Now try to jump

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really cool! does it cover DP? or do you have to mind game

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yes I think I know what you want to do lol

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Yes some DP

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cool!!!

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really good, I'll keep the video in my favorites

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so that I can really see what you are doing precisely

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Now go for with out

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so I grab and do nothing?

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Ex tackle

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Neo try to jump

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okay!

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After knovkdowb

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okay okay

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I see

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that's how they can avoid it

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But then Theresa the catch

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okay!

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Oh yeah!!

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how much frame startup is jump? 4f?

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3?

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that was it?

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3-4

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okay! thanks

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You can go for oki

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yes!

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With out ex tackle

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yes true

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I see!

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You stsyed groundes

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you do 214C -> 214A and then you jump?

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Go for quick rise or rol

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Yes

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okay!

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I'll get it

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can you do that setup again

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after the two 214P

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Ill go for hypetlr Hop

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okay!

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To catch rolls back

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sorry

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really cool!!!!!!

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Pick a charachters with a real DP

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This is clark anti sir normal

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Close B

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can I switch characters as player 2?

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Jumo Over me

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yes!!!!!!!!!!

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Over me

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THAT'S WAHT I NEED

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YEEEEEEEEES

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i didn't know this

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lol

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I don't think I can switch characters

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I think you can switch for me

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Its not the best

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j.D ?

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LOl

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Back jump D

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Realy quick

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Or jump b

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yes j.B very quick and horizontal

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B is better options

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j.D very good as well

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can you go for ex tackle after air-to-air j.B too?

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No

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okay!

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Dosent look like it

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Mid screen punish

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yeah seems like I go too far

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Air

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Jump with B

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Or A

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I see!

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and it was consistent

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I didn't press a button though

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can you show me tiago? I jump in with j.A

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okay so you do far D there

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but can you do cl.B as well? or is it for crossups only?

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Clark dosent have a cross up

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It hits sometimes

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yes I know

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Is very weird

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but is cl.B to punish crossup attempts?

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we can try, or maybe he can record a video and show you

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bro

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cl.B hits in the BACK

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it's his anti-crossup button

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Maybe CSN trade a kot

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yes it can trade too as we have seen right there

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Try it against a good crossup. Try like yashiro jC

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but that's already insanely good

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Its with yashiro

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O

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that's what we're doing

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Kol

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Does it trade?

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LOl

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it either trades

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or I just anti air him

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you would have to see this

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try it in training next time you play

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Record a video

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I can

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Let me do with setup

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let's do it one more time

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Okay!

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LOl

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I will send it soon

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What’s the oki you do after 214A?

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Hyperhop CD? Into armor grab?

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hyper hop into low to stuff the startup of jump or grab yeah

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I think that was it

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fuck I forgot how to upload videos

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I'll do it after our training session is over, we won't be there for hours

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And it’s the same after you do elbow?

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like 20-30 mins still

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elbow?

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empty hyper hop

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but I think you can do CD as well? maybe?

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He does hyper hop cd after elbow in the video above

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yeah bro Oli I swear it works

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cl.B is anti crossup

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I beat O.Yash j.C

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mistimed it lol

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try hop tiago

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The oki after 214A is auto timed I believe while the one after elbow is manual timed

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so the thing is

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to be in range for cl.B to come out

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So oki after 214A is easier

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you have to be REALLY close

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so I can use far.B instead

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and it kinda works?

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keep hopping tiago

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But the opponent can disrupt it by not doing roll recovery

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For hops a Button is better

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yes he can not roll

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That’s how you beat safe jump setups

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his leg goes so far O.Yashiro

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I think most people don’t recover roll after 214A too since they expect the ex tackle

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yeah I see

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wow it kind of lags now

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So it’s safer to do ex tackle if you figure the manual timing

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That’s what I’ve seen

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yeah I guess so

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it's better now

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no more lag

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I know there’s an oki after corner 214A where you frame kill using close D

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sick stuff

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this setup

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Do armor grab

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so he just does cmd throw, and then safejump cmd throw again to beat the roll

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On wakeup

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okay!

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oh shit wrong side

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Do the 214

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you want me to do 214A there?

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Pick DP charachters

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I can't pick another character you have to select for me I think

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cool!!!

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he does safejump

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after cmd throw

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basic stuff

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nice shit

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really nice

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it's cool Tiago, thanks a lot. I think we're done for today, I need to go lab by myself now lol

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thank you so much

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I will upload the vid @plush delta

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Sure no prob

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My plesure

plush delta
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I've seen a lot already and I should take notes right now

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yes I will give them to you

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Share

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I will post them here

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