KOF Coaching

[slate mica]

Indeed. Like, yesterday I was rolling to get away from Bubs' Ralf pressure. That ain't it.

[small haven]

Instead of rolling wait for him to do stupid ralf frame trap and blow it up with a dp

[slate mica]

Hop, back-dash maybe. Maybe GC Blowback.

[slate mica]

Oh, there's an idea. Hahaha

Hadn't considered abare

[small haven]

That’s how you play defense, otherwise you’re just gonna keep giving up your turn

[slate mica]

That's fair. Okay, defense through... not offense, but pressure-preventing neutral

[small haven]

Honestly neutral is so feel based

Takes time

But everyone has a preference

For example “oh this guy really like pressing early buttons in the air, im gonna wait for him to jump then punish the landing”

[slate mica]

Makes sense to me, especially against a lot of folks in ranked who like to spam defensive j.CD. I'm going to watch a few matches with this in mind to get a feel for how its applied. Appreciate the input!

[small haven]

Also like I mentioned above, use movement to avoid getting in pressure situations. Hop in and out move around. You cant hold pressure if youre not in that area. Also rolling is good when they jump at you and youre not ready with a button or dp so you roll backwards.

Who are your chars

[slate mica]

Definitely Shermie and Dolores. Third is TBD.

[small haven]

Oh

[slate mica]

Between Athena, Clark, and Iori, I may have won a single point war yesterday vs. Luna, Bubs, and Daru

So still weighing my options

[small haven]

Also If they’re doing predictable block strings that always end the same a gc roll will punish, a gc blowback is good too but i never use it

[slate mica]

I was thinking GC roll was a good call, yee

[viscid tartan]

How do you deal with Ramon’s Riot Stamp (I know it’s not actually called Riot Stamp, that’s just the most similar move that I actually know the name of)? Do I just gotta press an anti-air button or special?

[small haven]

What move is that? Overhead headbutt?

[slate mica]

Prolly Tiger Road into Cross Chop.

[viscid tartan]

The one where he runs back and then jumps at you while doing an attack

It seems like it’s a bit of a scrub killer move

[slate mica]

This one?

Or this one?

[plush delta]

I believe blocking low will work

[viscid tartan]

This one

[grizzled heart]

@small haven @rancid marlin this is good advice, thank u y’all 🫡

[rancid marlin]

You’re already growing a stronger warrior with each battle

[grizzled heart]

Thank you bro, you and @plush delta have shown me and taught me a ton, everyone else in the server too, I wouldn’t be where I am without all of y’all 😭❤️

[plush delta]

It’s awesome seeing you level up dude!

[grizzled heart]

🫂🫂🫂🫂

I’m really glad mac invited me to the server, idk if I would’ve kept playing if he didn’t

[plush delta]

Honestly I think a lot of us would have dropped the game without this server haha

[warm hollow]

Bro you leveling up is one of the biggest reasons I want to come back, and it's awesome watching people talk about how much you've grown. I'm so pumped to come back and learn from you dude ❤️

[warm hollow]

If Smoke hadn't brought me in, I'd honestly probably have dropped fighting games all together

[grizzled heart]

Awww 🥹 come back bro!!! We miss u

[plush delta]

When are you coming back? @obtuse dock too. Kim is out so no more excuses!

[grizzled heart]

@obtuse dock too!

Jack show me the Kim tech

[warm hollow]

We have our closing date! Assuming underwriting doesn't do anything stupid, we'll be in the house by the end of the month. It's actually winding down a little bit to where I may start popping into matches here and there. At this point we're mostly just keeping up with work and starting to pack / clean the apartment. I may dip again towards the beginning of May to get the painting / repairs done on the new house but then we're hopefully starting to settle in at that point

[obtuse dock]

2b until you win 😤

[obtuse dock]

We're working on getting some scheduling done in the house, soon I hope

[plush delta]

Let’s goooo!!

[warm hollow]

I'm hella excited to be done with the process haha

[grizzled heart]

Let’s goooo

[obtuse dock]

Is dunc the new howl?

[warm hollow]

Wait where is Howl?

[grizzled heart]

Nah I’m not that good

[grizzled heart]

Taking a break for irl

He was on PS yesterday tho I saw

[obtuse dock]

I meant on the try hard part

[warm hollow]

Gotcha, makes sense. Hope he's doing well

[grizzled heart]

I was thinking abt this in the shower LOL, I’d say I’m Casually Sweaty

I keep it nonchalant…. Once u start chalanting shit go left 💯

[obtuse dock]

Good thing we don't vc because I'm the biggest shit talker there is

Even when I'm loosing

[grizzled heart]

When u Loosing ?

You stretching old man ???

[obtuse dock]

Yes, that's all the time

[grizzled heart]

Don’t blow ya back out

[obtuse dock]

Funny thing is that I got my back hurt the other day from picking up my daughter

It was a muscle contraction tho, so I was fine later on the day lol

[grizzled heart]

The jokes write themselves….

[warm hollow]

I did that but it was my dog so I don't even have the kid excuse man 😦

[obtuse dock]

Some dogs are heavy af

[grizzled heart]

I’ve been pinching a nerve near my shoulder a ton recently so I feel y’all old heads

[warm hollow]

She's a 40 pound Boxer / Boston Terrier mix - let's not pretend it's not because I'm just fat and out of shape

[obtuse dock]

That arm is falling out I'm telling you

[grizzled heart]

it’s all the combos

[warm hollow]

He's right dude you're gonna have to amputate

[grizzled heart]

What 300 reps of the Iori TOD in practice mode does to a mfr

[grizzled heart]

oh shit… we gonna have to go bald…

[warm hollow]

What if we're already bald?

[grizzled heart]

Haha I did shave my head for a few years when I was playing in hardcore bands

[warm hollow]

Every day my evolution to full midwestern dad gets closer and closer to completion

[grizzled heart]

Animorphs cover but it’s turning into a midwestern dad

[warm hollow]

This but unironically

Literally grew a beard out over quarantine because my balding was getting worse and I didn't want to be fat, bald, and clean-shaven haha

I bought a pair of shorts at Wal-Mart the other day "because they'd be good for doing the yardwork"

I'm fucking doomed

[grizzled heart]

JDHBDBSBDVSBSBBDEBD

[warm hollow]

What's up now

[magic harness]

I would
Honestly, I only play Kof with you guys nowadays
Hardly hit ranked or casual

[rancid marlin]

He’s become stronger than howl

[plush delta]

He has messaged me here, on reddit and on PSN the last week haha

[grizzled heart]

Nah ur message was funny

[grizzled heart]

I don’t think so lol

I’m rank checks notes 5

Oh yeah @obtuse dock I did actually level up I’m Rank 5 now

[small haven]

Wait what did i tell you

Are you washing bums

[grizzled heart]

LMFAO

nah I haven’t put it into practice yet haha

Prolly won’t get a chance to play today

[warm hollow]

You passed me! I'm still at Rank 4 at like a 4-28 record or something 😂

Haven't touched ranked since I joined y'all though

[grizzled heart]

I’m like 23 to 92 I think

Maybe less

[warm hollow]

You're beating me. I think my ranked WR is like 9.5% or something haha

[small haven]

Its all good im rank 3

[grizzled heart]

I’m rank 3

[rancid marlin]

Y’all some smurfs tbh

[warm hollow]

Is it smurfing if I never play ranked?

I wanna roll up and win RR at like Rank 4

[rancid marlin]

Pls do

But that’s smurfing

[warm hollow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/moodman-morgan-freeman-hes-right-you-know-duM6JZemPlOjUyqmxd

[small haven]

Smurfing?

[rancid marlin]

Like you

You are all Smurfs in this server

[small haven]

Ive never downplayed myself

[rancid marlin]

Nice

[small haven]

So me no smurf

I wonder where that term came from

[rancid marlin]

The smurfs

[small haven]

Why ‘smurf’

[rancid marlin]

You’re making yourself appear smaller than you are

[small haven]

Mmm ok makes sense

[rancid marlin]

Smurfs is actually a kinda depressing cartoon

[small haven]

I always avoided it but doesn’t homeboy try to eat them?

[grizzled heart]

Hell yeah I’m a Smurf >:)

[rancid marlin]

He was an evil wizard who wanted to turn the smurfs into weird potions and stuff

Lol I think in robot chicken they made him eat them or something idk

[small haven]

Oh cause they were like shrooms

Probly

[rancid marlin]

I didn’t watch that live action movie but I’m sure it did the show justice in making it eerie

[obtuse dock]

Holly crap, does he shit talk like him too?

[obtuse dock]

My man here a big boy now 😤

[grizzled heart]

I had some funny shit talk last night

[grizzled heart]

My PlayStation just updated my toilet seat golden my bitch is badder than yours I smoke more different than you I have too much street wisdom

[obtuse dock]

I don't know what that means lol

[grizzled heart]

read it

[obtuse dock]

I already did it like 4 times

[obtuse dock]

Still don't get it

[rancid marlin]

Prolly more lol

Dunc be throwing hooks

[normal hound]

Who here is good with grapplers ?

[plush delta]

I’m okay with Clark and play Ramon and o yashiro and Shermie

I can try to help @normal hound

[obtuse dock]

Bro is outta control

[normal hound]

I was thinking more on using Clark, Yama and maybe Antonov.

TEAM MUSCLE

[plush delta]

Give them a try. Yama and Antonov are not grapplers though

Frankly I think you do best as a zoner instead of a grappler

Yama and Antonov are also a bit weird to use initially

[normal hound]

Fair

[plush delta]

Have you tried king?

Honestly I think Joe is your strongest

[normal hound]

In the past

Her inputs are a lil difficult. Light attack is just executed so fast. I was super slow to combo

I used her and krohnen

[plush delta]

Try her again but also try the team above you mentioned. See who fits

I also think your current team is good and the more you work on them, the better they’ll be

[rancid marlin]

You do more half circles and stuff with Joe

[normal hound]

True. Need to be more use to 623 inputs. Those fuck me up.

[rancid marlin]

I actually had to get used to this on stick not too long ago but I played Blazblue combo trials and I’ve gotten way better at this. The the exaggerated motion of forward then just think of the fireball type motion. Not sure how else to describe will have to figure something that works for you.

There was actually a video I watched too but I don’t think it helped me maybe it will for you

https://youtu.be/5EUop9z-S1o

[normal hound]

You guys ever had a hard time landing over head attacks and follow it with a punish?

[plush delta]

Most command normal overheads have minimal followups. Best is to use it for QM

[grizzled heart]

You trolling

My shit talk: Benimaru annoying

[normal hound]

In terms of cvs2 and certain KOF games, was Todoh (and his daughter Kasumi) ever good?

Like they seem awkward to play as.

[rancid marlin]

Yeah ight you roast everyone

[rancid marlin]

I like Kasumi on 02 she’s got geese counters and easy ass hit confirms

[grizzled heart]

She’s top 3 in 02UM

Meta is K’, Kasumi, Nameless

98 I believe she’s chill

XI they nerfed her from her 02UM iteration

She was never in CVS2

SVC she’s like mid tier

[normal hound]

No but her father is.

[grizzled heart]

That’s wild

I think he’s prolly mid tier

Depends on the groove tho

lemme look up Bas’ tier list

Kasumi is basically just Geese tho

@normal hound

[normal hound]

Thanks

[warm hollow]

@rancid marlin @warped pine Hit me with that juicy feedback if you're available, please

[rancid marlin]

I have some feedback: utilize hops!

Faster and less reactable depending on how you use them

[warped pine]

With Andy you can climax cancel at the end of your combos, or a DP, or just about anywhere 🤣
I was a sitting duck for one

[wet briar]

This is a fight to remember fight!
Blanka vs sagat for the 273363683377337 time

[meager portal]

Where terry?

[meager portal]

The golden tech

[warped pine]

https://tenor.com/view/bbcan5-bbcan-kevin-martin-kevin-nightmare-gif-13642363

[meager portal]

And I'll do it again

[warm hollow]

The golden tech is 41236B > BD cancel > 623C. If you cancel THAT into a climax in a live match, you've ascended

[meager portal]

Yeah

The platinum tech is if you do all that, but cancel dp into fireball super, and then climax cancel that

[warm hollow]

Like if I ever did something like 2B > 2A > 4A > 41236D > BD > 623C > climax in a live match on this server, y'all would never hear me shut up about it

[warm hollow]

We call that meter abuse 😂 Though that'd be a gnarly 4 bar dump on someone's head hahaha

[warped pine]

I hate you both, the only Andy tech I know is spamming EX elbows 🤣

[meager portal]

So is dp climax lmaoo

Anything above 2.5 bars for andy is just for styling on them

[warm hollow]

My favorite Andy combo is the easiest one, too 😂

like... cl.C > 4A > 236AC > 236C > 2363214A/C > 2141236 BD

[meager portal]

Assert dominance and burn all your meter in one attack, let them know you don't need meter to beat them up🫵😤

[warm hollow]

Just elbow, elbow, fireball special, kick special. It's 3.5 bars for like 750 damage it's so ridiculous

[warm hollow]

I got one for you. They gave him special cancels off his target combo, so you can pressure a ton with 5B > 5D > 214A because the fireball will juggle. Bonus points if you do 5B > 5D > 623C > climax

That last one might only work in the corner though

[magic harness]

Just out of curiosity, I was trying to do this...
But I hadn't read the whole convo and was trying to do it with Terry for some reason
Lmfao

[magic harness]

I don't think we can BD cancel 41236D, only the B version

No
You can do it with D
Just have to delay the BD a bit longer

[magic harness]

That is not even THAT hard to do tbh...
I mean, Leona, K' and Angel bnb combos are MUCH worse
Lmfao

[warm hollow]

Yeah Andy's damage is nuts for how easy his combos flow. I think he's got like a Samson thing going on with the hair tbh

[magic harness]

Yup
It's fun tho!
I might start labbing him

[meager portal]

I remember you got andy on a random shuffle and I was out-andy'd

I will not be out-andy'd again😤

I didn't want to come to this, but it seems I'm going to have to start labbing pressure strings for my characters

[magic harness]

LOL
Idk anything for Andy
But I liked that combo

[warped pine]

Andy party match

[warm hollow]

I can give you super basic stuff if you want but I'm kind of assuming you probably either already know more than me or have the ability to Google his bnbs and immediately know them better than me 😂

[meager portal]

Andy is street fighter incarnate

Hes not a combo heavy dude

Neutral/Footsies is where he rules

[meager portal]

I'd be down ngl

[warm hollow]

Andy is Street Fighter if everyone moved at 2x speed 😂

[magic harness]

Nah, but thank you!
I am not an Andy main
I don't even like him
Lmao

[magic harness]

Super Turbo

Lmao

[warm hollow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jordan-mj-michael-ebAfdhOr5mn0LG1mme

[magic harness]

LOL
He is cool af!
Just not my style for gameplay

[meager portal]

L-una

Its ok because we think he's cool

||even if he is the less cool bogard||

[warm hollow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bestpartpro-UYZH0UaCA6QAe0JJ0m

[warm hollow]

It's okay - not everyone is obligated to answer the call of the flow

[magic harness]

Mai will be a bogard when they marry
Lmao

[warm hollow]

Mai is honorary Bogard territory

[meager portal]

I thought Andy wasn't on board with getting married though?

Like, mai chases him, and he keeps running

[magic harness]

I think they say something about it in Team Garou ending
I think he finally accepted?

[warm hollow]

@magic harness outside of jumping less and AAing more, if you have anything I could keep in mind I'd be grateful

And @wet briar I know we didn't play much but same thing

[magic harness]

Besides those two...
Not much I can say for now
Your Isla pressure was insane and you seem to be able to do her combos very well
Maybe get your other two characters to her same level?
Andy was very good, neutral and spacing, but the jumping killed him
I saw that you didn't do any QM, maybe it's time you learn some good QM combos?
Idk about Isla and Andy, but Geese for example could benefit a lot from that

[warm hollow]

Awesome, this is great! And yeah QM combos are next on my lab list. Once I figure out who I want in that third spot I'll hit the lab a lot more. Geese is top of the list but there are way too many characters I love to death to call it this soon haha

[magic harness]

One more thing
Andy anchor?
I personally think he works better in point or mid
In any position, Geese would work
Cuz he is a great point and a great anchor

But depending on who you choose, might wanna change your order

Isla works better in mid imo
She needs bar, but not SO much

[warm hollow]

Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm way better at Andy when I have meter to play with but I'm not closing the door if I find an anchor that works better.

[magic harness]

Maybe just find a point that works for you
Then again, Geese is a good point
O. Shermie too

Ofc Angel is the superior point if you're up to the challenge
Lmao

Rock is too

[warm hollow]

Oh God no please. Let me exist comfortably in shoto or zoner land

Yeah I like Rock and he felt pretty good. Might explore that, and he's strong too

[magic harness]

Billy

Weak af
But cool

Lmfao

You like zoning
Athena or King?

O. Yashiro is also a good point
But we don't recommend him here...
We all hate him
Lmfao

[warm hollow]

Athena is on the list, yeah. I tend to be in my comfort zone on characters with good keepaway potential or good fundamental options. Either shoto-adjacent characters like O. Chris or Isla, truer shotos like Robert or Andy, or zoners like O. Shermie or Athena.

[magic harness]

Welp...
Terry?

Ryo is also strong af

[warm hollow]

The obvious answer isn't it?

[magic harness]

Even Kim tbh

Even tho Kim is not that much a shoto

[warm hollow]

I know it's just practice but Ryo's 646 movement breaks my thumbs. Same with Robert

I always jump because I got big fat thumbs haha

[magic harness]

Just don't
Dp instead to end his combos
Lol

I think only his Tods or something require the 646

[warm hollow]

You get out of here with your sound advice and good ideas

[magic harness]

LOL

[plush delta]

646 is too important for Ryo for his optimal combos to ignore it. You can ignore it for Robert however especially since he’s only good for point currently

[warm hollow]

Poor Robert deserves better than "B tier point only"

[plush delta]

That’s where he is currently unfortunately

[rancid marlin]

Yeah we all hate him here

O Yash is low tier

Real grapplers play Clark or Dino

[warm hollow]

Ramon has entered the chat

[warm hollow]

What if I just full sent Team Fatal Fury?

[magic harness]

I hate Joe
Lmao

[warm hollow]

But he's my namesake

[magic harness]

I am a Billy main
I need to hate Joe
Lmao

[warm hollow]

Is that why your Billy shit on me so hard?

[magic harness]

LOL
My Billy didn't even do much

[grizzled heart]

Play O Yash he’s awesome

I also hate Joe lol

[warm hollow]

I avoid grapplers like the plague, so O Yash isn't it haha

[wet briar]

Sure no prob

[rancid marlin]

Meh

[warped pine]

Embrace the Venom Strike.

[warm hollow]

King has always been right on the edge of my attention to tempt me into picking her up haha

[magic harness]

Do it

[meager portal]

That's it, I'm picking up Joe to spite you😤
I've already done all his trials, so now I'm gonna learn optimal combos for killing Billy exclusively.

Lmao

[grizzled heart]

stop dyl 😐

Come back to the good side

[warm hollow]

I regret to inform you I think I went towards Rock

[meager portal]

Howls gone, so someone needs to step up to take the role of server bully. I find myself a worth candidate

I'm gonna learn joe stun combo tods

Because I think that would be funny

[grizzled heart]

okay… Lowkey based reason to play Joe… I’ll allow it

[torpid quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/banned-ban-mai-mai-shiranui-king-of-fighters-gif-25003086

[runic rain]

Howl is gone? Fuck he GO?!

[meager portal]

You wish I was banned

[raven ridge]

Seems like it's an IRL thing but he's still on PSN if you have him

[magic harness]

So as I said in the other room, I want to train some new characters which are Kyo, K' and Heidern. I think I'd play Kyo point because he's so good in point, but in what order would you place the other two? What do you guys think is more optimal? Heidern second or third compared to K'

Heidern can dish out HUGE damage with 5 bars and his super into whiff stand B max mode activation (not qm) tech, that I know for sure, but can K' do more damage/is generally better in 3 because better tools as anchor in general

[small haven]

Kyo/K/Heidern
or
K/Kyo/ Heidern

[grizzled heart]

K’ anchor is kind of an overrated position imo

He does burn a lot of meter to use but meterless u can get good damage in the corner, and meterless combos midscreen have awesome corner carry as well

You kind of just have to be on point with him really

He can totally convert into deranged stuff w/ meter tho ofc

[raven ridge]

Depends what you want because all three of them are good anywhere

[grizzled heart]

^

K’ is very flexible

You just have to know what muscle to flex

[raven ridge]

If you're looking to seal the game with damage then I'd probably put Kyo anchor. Heid is more of a neutral beast than anything so point or mid is fine

[grizzled heart]

I think gigantic Kyo damage is gated behind execution TBH

[raven ridge]

N then K' same thing cuz you probably won't use super enders much, you'll go for the ex blitz

[grizzled heart]

All 3 of these characters get big damage tbh

[raven ridge]

Yeah, you'd have to learn some routes.for max corner carry and get an orochi loop in

[grizzled heart]

I’d say easiest to hardest access to damage in order is Heidern > Kyo > K’

they’re all approachable tho

Like my K’ and Kyo drop stuff all the time but I do work

[raven ridge]

Heidern you'll have the easiest time to have access to everything cuz he's got good buttons n neutral

[grizzled heart]

and Moonslash

Goated reversal

Fireballs been buffed this season

It’s fast af now and covers a HUGE amount of the screen

OD fireball

He can recover life w/ the command grab too

J.C Od crossup

[magic harness]

Thanks Jalen

[magic harness]

I want to practice the huge combos with him so I wouldnt mind having him as 3 tbh

Yeah I really want to play Heidern

I'm thinking about Athena and Mai too now but I shouldn't get lost

As I already worked on my Benimaru lately

[plush delta]

Yeah where was the Beni? You were still using rock

[magic harness]

You know I think I'm not confident with him, because he doesn't have an easy command normal I can cancel normals from and confirm easily after

But he might teach me how to confirm better

[plush delta]

Only way to find out is try

[magic harness]

His combos for 2.5 bars is so simple and devastating

Yeah but iirc 236B is safe because of pushback despite being -5 so it shouldn't be too bad

[magic harness]

Yeah,, try and stick to him for a little while

You know what

[viscid tartan]

Is Rock's install worth the 3 bars? From what I can gather it doesn't carry over between rounds or anything, so it seems like it might just be a waste of meter when you could use that same amount of meter to potentially kill or even just save it up for incoming characters

[meager portal]

Usually not worth it

The only justification for using 3 bars for a temporary install is if you want to style on someone

The install doesn't even add that much damage tbh

[plush delta]

I think it arguably can be worth it depending on how much life the opponent has. If the opponent still has a lot of life, then I think it’s worth it. Having free ex fireballs is pretty good.

I think @raven ridge is pro install

[viscid tartan]

Considering that I have Rock on point, it's prolly not a good idea to spend the meter on install unless I somehow get my opponent to their last character before losing Rock

[plush delta]

Oh if you have rock on point, then definitely don’t do install. None of the climax are worth using on point

[viscid tartan]

Fair

[plush delta]

You likely won’t even have enough meter to do climax unless you are in the process of doing OCV

[viscid tartan]

OCV is One-Character Victory?

[magic harness]

As Oli said, not on point
But if you get Rock anchor, do it on round start.
If you confirm QM into install, it deals like 50%, maybe a bit less
But the install helps a lot during the rest of the match

I think it's worth it personally
Even tho I am a big fan of climax finishes just for the style

Lmao

[viscid tartan]

So wait does it or does it not carry over between rounds?

[magic harness]

I did learn from him tho, so maybe a bit biased

[magic harness]

It doesn't, but the install only costs 2.5 bar
It costs 3 but gives 0.5 back
And boosts your meter gain with him

So you can gain back every bar you spent very quickly

[grizzled heart]

What does rocks install do exactly ? It’s a damage buff overall right? Is there a frame buff ?

[slate mica]

His fireballs also hit OTG

I think properties charge for his command grab too

[viscid tartan]

His fireballs do more damage and his C command grab and 214C have an extra hit

[magic harness]

Yeah
Fireball becomes ex, elbow is safe-ish
And boosted meter gain

He can also combo elbow into dp on corner for big damage

[raven ridge]

I'm pro install. LOL.

3 cost but refunds .5 so net -2.5. Fireball is like... EX level, i think it'll only lose to Joe ex tornado cuz he shoots out 3. It OTGs as well. Elbow does more damage, starts up and recovers a little faster. Cmd throw does more damage, he has a new route in light elbow into light dp (like terry power charge into dp or power dunk)

That damage adds up really quick so a lot of people tend to play more passive

Raging storm super gets more damage, it's like a global specials/super buff

[raven ridge]

I want to add, point rock is still v good. I had him at point for a really long time. I just moved him to mid/anchor because I wanted access to install in a feasible, match early manner

[wet briar]

Instal super is just stupid you spend 3 bars for less damage you could put I'm on anchor and at least you could go one more round with install for a comeback or install could be 2 bar super with 10-15 seconds

[raven ridge]

It's the easy access to them, Rock can convert off anything still @wet briar

4-5 bar start or off the rip, install, that's one more touch you need essentially for the kill. It's definitely up to the player if they want to invest that much for another favourable character, I think it's almost catered and rewards people with solid fundies to get access to some bigger damage to seal the deal

I play basic af characters so it definitely suits me LOL

So I'm pro install 😤😌🤞🏼

Although I do agree as well with what you're saying @wet briar

Someone like Luna definitely doesn't need Rock on their team to do scary shit

[magic harness]

I'd never put Rock on the same team as Shermie
They both need too much bar to be able to work imo
Ofc he can be point and work well with Anchor Shermie, but I kinda like him in anchor also because of the install

[raven ridge]

INSTALLLLLLLLLL

https://tenor.com/view/ky-kiske-guilty-gear-strive-dragon-install-gif-25100360

[sinful herald]

Late to the party but this is facts. I’ll get hit with some Kyo shit and be like “he has to be out of bar” and the mfer spent like .5

Also Heidern has the most difficult meter dumps, his DP into ranbu is ridiculous. @magic harness I vote Heidern on point, zone and take advantage of his big buttons. The other two can move around from mid to anchor

[magic harness]

@raven ridge
Rock EX parry combo?
Lol

[raven ridge]

Ex parry is 1f so it's a good reversal, ex DP kick to get the juggle, and then DP - break, hard elbow 🙂

Or you can microdash and dp - break, timing is tight though

[magic harness]

AH
I knew ex dp kick was it
But my timing was off

It was whiffing because I was too late

[raven ridge]

If you're in the corner you can do like ex reppuken, light dp. That's pretty swaggy too

If you just want a SKD, omit all that and go for ex elbow

[magic harness]

||What is a SKD?||

[raven ridge]

Soggy Korean Dumplings

Soft Knockdown lmao

I've used HKO, SKO before but these Gen Zers called me out on it

[magic harness]

I wouldn't understand either
Lmao

But thank you!
Labbing Rock rn!

[plush delta]

Luna is KoF the only game you play? Cause I feel you are always labbing or playing KoF. (Unless you’re messing around with other fighting games). Im jealous at your time and dedication for the game

[magic harness]

Honestly, lately I've been playing mostly Kof
But I do play a lot of Dark Souls/Elden Ring when I feel like relaxing
And at night I play Fortnite with my gf

But yeah, I play a lot
Mostly because my college is on the morning period and I don't really have a job
So all the afternoon is free

[plush delta]

That’s how you become a pro player

[magic harness]

Idk how long it'll last tho
I might have to find a job by the end of the year if I marry my gf

[plush delta]

Is marrying early common in Brazil?

[magic harness]

Hm...
Kinda, I'd say
It's uncommon, but not rare
The point with me and my gf is that we started dating on high school
So we've been together for like 5 years now

So it does kinda feel like it's time
Plus, she has a good job and I receive money from my dad until I finish college
And it's more than enough to be able to live together if we don't do shit
Lmfao

[plush delta]

Man, luna daddy giving the goods

[plush delta]

Btw do you mind if I ask a personal question, but more to do with curiosity? Is your gf trans as well? My cousin is trans (female to male) and his gf is female. They just got engaged as well and he’s 21 too!

[magic harness]

I don't usually touch this subject much cuz it makes me seem spoiled or something
But he just pays me quite a big pension money, and I live pretty well with it considering that I still live with my mom

[magic harness]

Ask away!
And no, she is actually cis

[plush delta]

That’s awesome though!

[plush delta]

Ah okay, that’s really cool! You guys are definitely destined to be together then!

[magic harness]

I'm just very lucky to have been born in a privileged position
Even tho me and my dad aren't on good terms, he did work hard and became somewhat rich

[plush delta]

When you first started dating, I assume you haven’t decided to do the transition to female yet? That’s awesome that’s she’s supportive of you

[magic harness]

Yesssss
We met super young when not even I knew I was trans, and she accepted and supported me a lot

[plush delta]

Both your dad and mom are Japanese?

[magic harness]

Yup
Exactly!
She is aweasome

[magic harness]

Only my mom
My dad is actually jew
Only in ethnicity, he doesn't have the religion nor culture

[plush delta]

She is Brazilian? Is Brazil liberal?

[plush delta]

That’s interesting that you don’t have any Brazilian in you

[magic harness]

She is Brazilian too
But no...
BR is not liberal at all
It's very conservative tbh

[plush delta]

Your gf is real life Laura from sf5

[magic harness]

Yeah, it actually is
BR is a mix between lots of countries

[magic harness]

LOL
Not that much
She is much more shy and actually looks more asian than I do
She doesn't know her family origins tho, so we can't be sure
Her mom is blonde, but her aunts look kinda asian
She looks more like her aunts than her mom

[plush delta]

Interesting! Brazil really is a potpourri of cultures and races!

[magic harness]

Yup...
Mostly because of the World Wars tbh
Colonization was mostly portuguese, but Spain and the Netherlands also had a big role in it
But after WW1 and 2 started, BR was one of the only peaceful countries that didn't actually take any sides nor do anything. So lots of people came here to run from the war, my grandpa included
He refused to fight on the war and was sentenced to death because of it
So he ran to Brazil and here I am

My dad's family too
Jews, they were obviously running from the war
So they came to BR and lived peacefully here

[plush delta]

Sounds like a cool country. Hopefully I can visit it soon

But you wanna move to Canada instead though

[magic harness]

So yeah
We have lots of germans in the south part of Brazil
Lots of Asians, specially Korean and Japanese

[plush delta]

And you, a mix of both

[magic harness]

Honestly
Mostly because of trans rights...
BR is actually an amazing place
But 90% of the country is very religious and we have super conservative policies here

I may have free access to hormonal therapy and stuff, free health care, and all that
But it is also the country that kills the most trans people in the world, and we have the biggest number of homophobia related crimes

[plush delta]

Oh shit, yeah that’s a good reason as any for moving out

Is your university community more accepting though?

[magic harness]

Then again, amazing place to be if you are cishet tho
So you don't have to be afraid!

[magic harness]

Hm...
Kinda
My close friends there are, but not the rest of the class
So like 5 people out of 30?

[plush delta]

That’s rough and terrible

Time to move to Canada!

I heard their FGC scene is okay too

I think there is good demand for programmers

[magic harness]

Money...
BR money isn't actually much
Minimum wage is 1200 reais, which is like 240 dolars?
I make more than that, I get like 600 dollars a month

It's completely ok here

[warm hollow]

If you get a solid Computer Science foundation and some solid coding skills, you can almost pick where you want to work.

Source: my B.S. in Computer Science

[magic harness]

But for buying tickets to Canada and actually live there?
Too little
I need to save up A LOT

[warm hollow]

I've looked into moving to Europe at some point actually

[magic harness]

One of the reasons I chose that career

[plush delta]

Do you have relatives in Canada?

[magic harness]

I heard it's easy to find a job

[magic harness]

Nope
Lmao
Noone

[plush delta]

That’s gonna be tough

[magic harness]

I do have some in Japan still
But never talked to them
No contact at all
I just know they exist

[plush delta]

Maybe apply for a grad program

[warm hollow]

Your first job is a little daunting but once you get a couple years experience or a good internship under your belt you'll find a lot of opportunities

[magic harness]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind starting off small
I could work with anything, from software development or databases

[magic harness]

Most probably...
There are some cities that are literally paying people to live there, to populate and develop some areas

And they specifically want programmers, so...
Good option

But they require at least 16000 Canadian Dollars on your bank account
Plus the money from the tickets there...

It's not something easy to achieve gaining 600 a month

1200 if I add my gf income

[plush delta]

Just start winning more KoF tourneys then 😉

[magic harness]

I might!
But I've been having trouble finding LatAm tourneys...

[slate mica]

Yeah, ngl, it's going to take a while to recover from Bolsonaro

[magic harness]

Yup
You know what he did here

[slate mica]

He did stuff which he has to run away to another country to avoid being persecuted for

[magic harness]

They say the estimated time to recover financially from all the shit he did was 20 years

[slate mica]

Jesus

[magic harness]

Yup...
Wtf

[slate mica]

Right? Dude was awful. Still is

[plush delta]

He’s the brazil version of trump right?

[magic harness]

Yes

They arr close friends even

[slate mica]

I'd argue even worse than Trump

I was a soc major in college and into international politics, hahaha.

[warm hollow]

Yeah I saw a documentary segment about him somewhere recently. Dude is not a nice guy

[wet briar]

Bolsonaro is the best I just laugh every time he talks XD like i do against most politicians they are all the same 6 years ago I started to go more into politics and what i learned is it doesn't matter all of them will suck ass XD

[magic harness]

LOL
I do agree tho
It is good comedy

[slate mica]

Politicians are garbage. I don't trust a single one of 'im. Look out for one another's what I say

[grizzled heart]

Is it me hitting u w/ the Kyo shit 🥺

I haven’t played smoke in so long

[sinful herald]

Not yet but there’s still plenty of time

[grizzled heart]

Ending my life .

⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️

[raven ridge]

itadakimasu

[meager portal]

Just like me fr fr

[magic harness]

This is true, however I am working on his combos (I can do DP into ranbu? I guess, circle super, fairly consistently. It's the ones with max mode where I can't do it even once in training. But yeah I will most likely put him in point early on and do the 1.5 bar combo I can do consistently (which almost gives you back 0.5 bar iirc)

[sinful herald]

It’s the one in his trials: 623P > 2141236 shit is ridiculous and actually needs an input shortcut to even do lol

But yeah take advantage of his long normals and zoning. When I’m learning a new character I don’t even focus on meter spending beyond 1 bar because they will be on point position anyway

[magic harness]

Ah yeah I see! Yeah its manageable, I did it, but probably would drop a lot in real match. Yeah I'll do as you said, his space control and neutral is so godlike (that j.CD alone is insane)

[sinful herald]

Haha it makes the screen blur it’s so good

[magic harness]

@torpid quarry
Angel combos midscreen

0 bar bnb
Good corner carry, fairly easy to do, keep sides
Cl. C or D, 6B(1), 214C, 2B, 8A, 6AB, 66A, 63214B

0 bar bnb
Optimal, but kinda hard to do, and switch sides
Cl. C or D, 6B(1), 214C, 2B, 8A, 41236B, 8B, 66C, 63214B

0 bar low light hit confirm
2B, 2A, 46B, 2A, 6B, 236C

0.5 bar bnb extension
This is usually my go to, because it gives good oki and deals quite a lot of damage for only 0.5 har
Cl. C or D, 6B(1), 214C, 2B, 8A, 6AB, 66A, 41236BD, 8B, 66C, 63214B

For corner, I only know one good combo that leads to a sideswitch mix up

Cl. C or D, 6B(1), 214C, 2B, 8A, 6AB, 66A, 46D, 8B, 66A, (sideswitch) 5D, 43216B
After this, you can either go for:

• Cl. D to restart the combo and maybe two touch the opponent
• 6B, 236C for overhead
• 2A, 6B, 236C for low
• 41236A, 46D, 2B, 8A, 66A, 63214B for command grab combo
• Neutral jump if you think they will press buttons
• Just hold back if you think they'll DP

If you want to spend bar, just switch the usual 63214B for her 4623A super, that can combo into climax or 4623BD
But I don't recommend spending bar with Angel, as the damage increse for one bar is laughable...
Spend bar on her EXes and parry super
And if you got three bars, her climax is aweasome
Not for damage, that is shit
But for other reasons...
Lmao

These are my combos
Gameplan, setups and mixups...
Not with me
I play her pretty straightforward

I'm still learning her dirtier stuff

[torpid quarry]

See this is why you’re my best friend thanks

[magic harness]

@magic harness @grizzled heart @meager portal
Idk who else was learning Kim
Lmao

Bear in mind that these aren't optimal, but they are the ones I use, mostly because I find the execution/damage output good and can do them consistently

0 bar
Cl. C or D, 6B, 214B
You could do Rekka, but 214B is safe on block and I find it easier to do

0 bar low light
2B, 2A, 28D, 2B
Then again, you could do light rekkas here, but I find 28D easier to do

1 bar
Cl. C or D, 6B, 214D, 236236B, 66A, 214D
Hard knockdown, 40% damage for 1 bar, very good

2 bars
Cl. C or D, 6B, 214D, 236236B, 66A, 214BD, 28BD
Hard knockdown, amazing damage, good for keeping pressure

2 bars
Cl. C or D, 6B, 214D, 236236D, 66A, 214B, 2141236B
Super ending, so it sets up for safe jumps and is stylish af

2 bar corner
Cl. C or D, 6B, 214B, 28B, 236236B, 66A, 214B, 214A, 6B, 2B, 2141236B
Actually optimal, and kinda hard to do
But AMAZING damage
For 1 less bar, you can just not do the last super and get a hard knockdown

AH
QM
For mid, I do
QM, Cl. D, 6B, 214B, 2141236B, Climax
For anchir, I'd say rekkas

[magic harness]

Thanks a lot!

[magic harness]

I have to work on anti-airing with normals into meaty, because I get thrown very often from that kind of situation (right @plush delta you do it all the time to me I feel like). I feel like the run has to be very precise in terms of spacing. Do you guys have any tips to work on that besides "do it over and over in training mode with your 3 characters and you'll get it eventually" (copy paste the sentence if it's what I have to do and there's no specific tips, aside from maybe (just thought about this right now) inputting a throw-tech in your meaty attack if it's a standing C/D attack

And question to KOF veterans ; I know wake-up reversal throw (which is 1f and is an OS throw, I know everybody knows but this sounds so much like an aberration to me, 1f throw with not whiff animation... but whatever) was it possible in other KOF games to also throw out of a anti air that doesn't knockdown? like simple jab anti air. Or was it also added as a defensive option for beginner players to defend against veterans with super strong offense like reversal throw on wakeup?

[plush delta]

Instead of learning to meaty after the knockdown, which is hard, learn to shimmy and combo with lights instead

Specifically shimmy so you can do the 2B combos

[magic harness]

Oh, yeah when you mean knockdown you mean when they get back on their feet?

Good idea

Do a small 66 input, then stop and 2B

Yeah sounds good, will help me with light confirms

90% of the buttons I press is ONLY C, with all 3 of my characters

in neutral

so yeah, gotta learn how to use the other fucking buttons lmao

[plush delta]

Yep

[magic harness]

thankfully all my current characters have really good C's, that's how I manage to get wins over Luna's 6th alt team, but still, if I can learn how to actually confirm from lights and QM, I would kill more often

thanks Oliver

[plush delta]

Shimmy so you are outside of throw range

[magic harness]

Yes

[plush delta]

You’ll catch them pressing buttons

[magic harness]

Very well-known concept in SF that I use all the time

[plush delta]

Daru is really good at this

[magic harness]

and then you stuff their C

or D

throw attempt

with yours

or your light as you said

[plush delta]

With your light combo

[magic harness]

yeah light combos

[plush delta]

You can even QM

[magic harness]

tomorrow I will make the dummy block random and try to hit confirm 2 lights into a special/QM yeah

even 3 if necessary at first but LIGHTS

stop using only C

if I had known how to do this I would've 2-0'd that fucking rank23 player ffs

at least I got one game and now he thinks I'm a smurf lol

[plush delta]

A lot factors but that will help

[magic harness]

yes, for example learning the regular Shermie matchup

I'll ask Luna if she wants to play me in 1v1 with only Shermie against my 3 characters, if she's up for that

to really help me out

[plush delta]

Important to keep expectations in check and never underestimate opponent. There’s a reason they’re that rank even if it’s because of gimmicks or taking advantage of lag

[magic harness]

That guy was kinda solid though, I think he's a legit rank23 though, he had a 83% winrate though, but I think he's like me some dude who hit up people on discord and not really a smurf

but yeah, all you said is true

gotta go for tonight

see you tomorrow and thanks for the tip

[plush delta]

Possible

[magic harness]

(getting motivated again to really get better at this game)

I think that was it yeah, probably not a smurf, just some solid guy ranking up fast

[magic harness]

@sinful herald
Heyyyyyy
Got any tips for learning Shun?
I'm starting to learn him, and I think I'm playing him too straightforward
I'm just abusing 214A and fishing for hit confirms for big combos
Lol

[warm hollow]

I'm not Smoke, but I've played his Shun a ton - one thing he does really well is use the aerial special to constantly fake being in and out of range to whiff punish. 🤷

[magic harness]

I have never used his air dashes
Should I learn them?

I'm usually not that into command dashes

[warm hollow]

That's more a question for Smoke, but all I know is he'll like... jump forward -> air special to bait out a DP or force a reaction and then punish. Since Shun is so fast it's pretty tough to read and then he can just... start his whiff punish right off the back of it.

[magic harness]

Ahhhhhhh
I think I know!

I think some Shun online baited me like that
With that air hand special

[warm hollow]

Yeah, that one

[magic harness]

Cool!
I'll try to test that

[warm hollow]

Also IIRC his far C confirms into a lot from pretty good range but you'd have to lab that. I used to mess around a lot with Shun on my main team but it's been at least a few months since I've played him seriously

[plush delta]

Smoke likes to shatterstrike

[magic harness]

Yeah, far C can go into command normal for big combo

[magic harness]

LMAO
I might try that too
I don't think I've done it on purpose many times

[warm hollow]

Delete this I hate that fucking tech so much 😂

If 214A gets blocked, you can send an SS right after it and 9/10 you're gonna catch someone trying to take their turn back and smack them

I think it's worked on me 100% of the time he's done it. It's so gross lol

[magic harness]

LMFAO

[plush delta]

I try to shatterstrike after a blocked Clark light dp (the Vulcan punch) since it’s +0. It’s successful around half the time. Prolly would be higher if Clark has a good shatterstrike but his sucks

[warm hollow]

I might start trying this off Isla j.214B. Her little cl.C > 6B -> j.214B blockstring is hella safe and it seems like a good way to cheese my turn back 😂

[magic harness]

Shermie also has a shitty one

Angel's is good on the other hand
But never used

[magic harness]

I'm actually learning a bit of Isla too
I don't quite like her so much, but...
She is in a secret team with Shun and Rock, so I'm trying

Lmao

[warm hollow]

If you ever need any tips or tricks with her let me know. She's got an absolute ton of depth to her

[plush delta]

Shatter has armor on frame 4 so it’s as fast as the fastest normal. So as long as your move is +0 or higher and you think the opponent is gonna try to take their turn back, that’s when you use shatterstrike

[magic harness]

She does
But...
Idk...
I'm not enjoying her that much

[warm hollow]

Noted for later lol

[warm hollow]

That's okay! She's a super unique character so I can see where she wouldn't be for everyone

[magic harness]

Isla is cool, but her gameplay is kinda weird
Maybe I'm just too used to Billy zoning and find her too weird

[warm hollow]

She's just a shoto with really good aerial movement and mix-ups 🤷 Fireball, tatsu, and an invuln DP.

[magic harness]

Wow
True, I've never thought of her as a shoto

[warm hollow]

I've noticed there's just a huge chunk of the cast that can kind of be broken down to "What if Shoto but [insert other playstyle here]?"

[magic harness]

LOL

[warm hollow]

Isla is just "What if we crossed a shoto and a mix-up specialist?"

[magic harness]

My view on her gameplay just changed

Thank you so much

[warm hollow]

Everyone tries to do the crazy shit the pros do on her Day 1 and it's like... dude just play her like a shoto and the crazy shit will come lol

[magic harness]

LOL
True

[warm hollow]

Hell when I first started and picked her up I thought because of Far C, her 214B tatsu being hella safe, and her fireball-ish thing that she was a zoner. And then I started realizing how to actually play her and was like "Wait this is just Andy with slightly different tools"

[magic harness]

LOL

My mind is shattered

I'm playing her completely different now

Lmao

[warm hollow]

My second biggest advice is to consider her 214B a command normal instead of a special. It'll make things weirdly easier. She basically can either 6B to go into the air and use those specials or 214B to stay on the ground and use THOSE tools and that's the primary decision making you'll need in her combo routing

And 214B confirms off far C AND that little string is (almost always) safe on block, so you can just far C > 214B to fish for hits, and if the far C lands, you know the 214B is going to land, so you have the entire animation to cancel into 214214C for one meter and THAT leads into other conversions depending on your meter

Makes her really frustrating to deal with, especially since a lot of people who don't know better will try to press buttons after they block far C and you can kind of cheese the 214B hit for a little free damage

[magic harness]

Yeah, I kinda do that a lot with her
Lol

[magic harness]

LOL
Right!

Ok!
Thank you so much

[warm hollow]

Last thing then I promise I'll go back to work and leave you alone - it's a really stupid way to spend half a meter, but if you want to fake someone out and keep them in the corner or push them off you, you can do her cl.C > 6B > 214BD and act like you botched the hit confirm with the EX, and then 623D right after and outside of like a 4f jab you'll probably sneak the reversal in on them pressing buttons. It's a bad habit to do intentionally because it's NOT worth the meter but it can help in a pinch if you fatfinger your EX or mess up your hit confirm

Can be a super good mind game if your opponent is low and you know they're waiting for a huge punish. I've stolen a couple rounds with it

[magic harness]

LMFAO
I've been caught by that

They just DPed into Lv2 to steal the round
And I laughed hard

[warm hollow]

Yeah it's super wicked if you're not ready for it. Only takes having it blocked once though and then you learn not to rely on it 😂

[magic harness]

Ah, ofc
It's one of those tools to use when your opponent least expects it

Lmao

[warm hollow]

Good luck with her! She's super reliable and really, really fun when you start seeing all the stuff she can get up to

[magic harness]

Thank you!
I think she'll be good in a team with Rock and Shun

[warm hollow]

She's super easy to slot in where she's needed, but personally I think she's best at mid. She doesn't get a lot of out 4-5 bars but 2-3 lets her do some seriously crazy stuff. She can also point pretty well

[magic harness]

Yeah, I'm testing her in mid too
Shun I'm having point
And Anchor Rock

I don't quite like going from Shun straight to Rock
I feel like they are too similar and my brain gets slow when changing from one to another so quickly

[warm hollow]

That's fair. I will say Isla plays.... kinda similar to both of them too, though, so something to keep in mind

[magic harness]

Yeah, but I mean their appearance, and combo routes are almost the same
Main difference is Shun doesn't need AB to cancel DP and does 214A instead of 214C before the supers
Other than that, they are basically the same

And that kinda fucks up my brain
Isla combo routes and appearance are very different from both of them, so that makes it easier on my brain

[sinful herald]

-2B > 2A > 5A can cancel into 623AC > the rest of the combo
-slow j CD (press it before the apex of whatever jump you’re doing) but once it’s out it’s really good
-jump over fireballs and do 214B to bait and punish DP
-Far C chains into itself so you can double tap it for an easy hit confirm

[sinful herald]

Everyone who plays characters without a free invincible reversal should be SS’ing 🤭🤭🤭

[grizzled heart]

my reversals are invincibling

[magic harness]

THANK YOU!!!!
How did I not know about far C being chained into itself?
Lmao

[magic harness]

Maybe that's the answer to Yama's lack of defense...

[sinful herald]

Yama gets HUGE conversions off successful shatter strike

[magic harness]

I'll lab that for sure

[sinful herald]

No problem at all. I see you’re running Shun at point, that can be challenging to say the least but it’s doable. You just have to win a lot more neutral interactions

[magic harness]

You think he is better at anchor or mid?

[sinful herald]

He’s only good at anchor once you’re comfortable, since the anchor war is so high stakes he can die really quickly (aka before you can learn anything about how to play him lol)

Who are the other 2 characters you’re using him with?

[magic harness]

I'm playing him point mostly for the exp tbh
Because Idk where I'd put him

[magic harness]

Rn, Isla and Rock

[sinful herald]

Yeah that’s a good idea for now but I’d move him mid when you can

[magic harness]

Yeah...
I think Isla point is good, no?

[sinful herald]

Isla also does a lot better with meter lol

If you knew what you were doing with all 3 the best order imo would be Rock Shun Isla

But since you’re learning just rotate

[magic harness]

Exactly
I'm still learning the three of them

But yeah, Rock Shun Isla would be a good position for them all

But I might just change the team
Take out Isla and go for Kim
Or Idk

[sinful herald]

When I’m learning a new character I typically pair them with 2 I already know so it’s a little less complicated on my mind haha. Also gives me a shot to still win if one of them can be a hero

Like right now Athena either pulls her weight or just dies immediately lol

But she has backup 🔥

[magic harness]

LOL
It's probably a better idea
I kinda feel like I could squeeze in any char I wanted if I have my two Shermies on my team

[magic harness]

But I kinda feel like that's a problem
In matches where my point dies too quickly, I won't be practicing or learning much, as my mid and anchor are already chars I know
If I have three new chars, I have the feeling of learning and practicing even if my point dies quickly
I'll just learn the mid better that match

Unless I'm fighting a super strong opponent who will OCV them too easily
Lmao

[sinful herald]

Yeah when I play my Mexican buddies their response is basically, “Oh you’re learning a new character? That’s great! I’m going to kill it now”

[magic harness]

LMFAO
Yup

[magic harness]

@mild parcel
Yo, I'm trying to learn Rugal
But...
His combos really do no damage?
Lmfao

[blissful sand]

Have you seen his corner combos

[magic harness]

Nope
Lol
Are they good?

[magic harness]

I saw a video and tried doing them...
They are good, but I kinda feel like the damage still isn't that great for the amount of bar they spend...
I kinda feel like his best combos are just 0.5 bar, which makes him a good point?

[blissful sand]

He has good 1.5 bar ones

What's your standard here for being worth it or not?

[magic harness]

Agree, true
They are very good and corner carry

[magic harness]

Mostly Bar Spent/Damage ratio
Ofc I didn't expect Rugal to have like Shermie or Kim damage
But a 3 bar QM doing a bit less than 700 is...
Kinda bad

[mild parcel]

Yeah he sadly is only good when spending half a bar. And zoning.

Mid range hes not good and he needs to be up close to combo. But he wants to keep you away

Like

[blissful sand]

That is not bad

When I asked "what's your standard" I meant what characters are you using to compare

Also I should note, Shermie's 3 bar QM does less than 700, so if that's "bad" to you then she doesn't have good damage either

[magic harness]

I heard he was low tier, but I thought he might have good damage
Idk, he looks like someone who'd deal lots of damage

[magic harness]

Hm...
It doesn't?
I meant optimal QM, starting from jump in, heavy, command normal
Shermie QM with that does around 750

Wait
No
Wtf
I said shit

Yeah, forget everything I said
Rugal and Shermie do exactly the same damage for 3 bar QM

Kim does a bit more
710

[blissful sand]

Kim is very meter-efficient so he's not a great standard for this

Like, of course someone else is gonna be worse than Kim

[magic harness]

Yeah, forget everything I said
Idk where I was tbh
But I truly thought Shermie dealt much more than 695 for a 3 bar QM...

[blissful sand]

Nope
If you get a jump-in or a close heavy or something, it's better for her to just do a MAX cancel combo instead of use QM

[magic harness]

Nah, QM is still more efficient for only 3 bars from an optimal starter

[blissful sand]

Odd, when I've labbed it before QM is usually lower damage

[magic harness]

But not that much tbh
For 2.5 bars you could get 660
And 3 bars QM 695

In corner you can probably get more tho

[magic harness]

I might be wrong tbh...
But this convo just fucked up my mind quite a lot
Lmao

Then again, I've been playing Shermie and bragging about her absurd damage for years now
But...
Now that I'm seeing numbers...
It doesn't seem so great

Ok
I'm not that crazy
I just tested all my mains
Only Yama and Kim dealt more than 700 for 3 bars
Shermie and O. Shermie are the ones with closer damage to 70%
Both get like 695

Still...
That doesn't seem right for some reason
I think I'm just too tired or something

[blissful sand]

I checked again
Nope, QM is not better

J.C->cl.C->6B->qcb.A->qcfqcf.K->hcfhcf.AC is 716
J.C->cl.C->6B->QM->cl.D->qcb.A->qcfqcf.P->Climax is 691

[magic harness]

J. C, Cl. C, 6B, QM, Cl. D, 6B, 214A, 236236P, Climax deals exactly 716

Lmao

Your route surely is better

[magic harness]

And this only works in anchor

[magic harness]

Still
THANK YOU!
This is optimal for mid position

[blissful sand]

I just did your exact recommended route and got 698 instead of 716

[magic harness]

The 6B before QM has to hit twice

[blissful sand]

I thought 6B scaled it harder than it was worth, but it looks like it adds 7 damage

Ok I see it now

Still, seems far easier to go with the route that does the same damage with far fewer steps

[magic harness]

Yup
A lot easier

Welp...
Thank you again!
I'll take some time to process that
Lmao

By that point, I'm so used to QMing with Shermie that it'll be hard to change for the optimal route

[blissful sand]

Funny
The other week, I had to be persuaded that it was ever worth it to QM with her, I hadn't been using it at all

I concluded that it was more efficient off lights but less efficient off heavy starters

[magic harness]

Just to make sure
For 4 bars, QM is better, right?

Lmfao

[magic harness]

Yeah, 2B into 5B into QM is very strong and easy to do

[blissful sand]

It might be, that sounds right. But I typically don't want to spend 4 bars in a single combo period

[magic harness]

I do because she is my Anchor
4 bars can do around 80% off of a heavy starter
826 if the optimal route connects
She doesn't need bar to finish the rest

But now I must lab O. Shermie too
Idk anymore if it's worth QMing with her either
Lmao

[blissful sand]

Yeah I checked and QM is definitely the best way to spend 4 bars

I play Shermie anchor too, and by the time I get to anchor vs. anchor, 4 bar is all she has left, so my strategy is usually to use 3 in a combo and leave myself a single bar so I can use EX run grab a couple times

[magic harness]

Right...
I might keep using QM for 3 bars too
30 less damage is quite a lot, but I think having two combos for 3 and 4 bars might make me drop too much
And then again, I'm so used to QMing by now that Idk how long it'll take to get used to another route
Lmao

[magic harness]

And yeah, that works well!
I guess it's just preference tbh

[blissful sand]

For me the non-QM route is second nature honestly, I don't even consider it a specific thing as much as like, part of a flowchart

[magic harness]

Yup
I honestly like QMing with all my chars, so it's kinda natural to me too

[blissful sand]

I only QM with Jenet, I like watching her Climax animation

[magic harness]

Still...
I am happy to learn Shermie stuff
I honestly didn't think I would today
Lmao

[blissful sand]

[magic harness]

Oh, I get it
I do it with Angel sometimes
560 damage is very shit for 3 bars, but...
That animation is golden

Lmao

[plush delta]

How much does jC close D 6B QM close D 6B 426X2 C climax do?

[blissful sand]

Likely 726
The starter wasn't really the important part we were talking about

[plush delta]

The route I have doesn’t use 214A and goes directly to command grab super instead

[blissful sand]

Oh I see

[plush delta]

I believe that’s the optimal QM

[blissful sand]

Does qcb.A add that much scaling?

[plush delta]

Not sure if it’s more than the nonQm route though

It does add scaling

But I’m not sure how much

Removing it will provide higher damage I’m pretty sure

[blissful sand]

I doubt it, but I'll check

I used close C instead of D at the start just for ease of comparison with the routes discussed earlier

J.C->cl.C->6B->QM->cl.D->6B->hcfhcf.P->Climax does 681

So, while qcb.A does add scaling for sure, it's not enough scaling to warrant leaving it out of the combo

[plush delta]

Interesting

How about if it’s for 4 bars and using lvl 2 command grab super?

[blissful sand]

801

Or rather, 801 is for keeping in qcb.A and using j.C->cl.C at the beginning

[sinful herald]

Overheads only scale QM if they are done raw into the QM

What does add scaling (and isn’t worth doing) are EX moves

[blissful sand]

I wasn't even thinking of it as an overhead (which indeed it isn't unless raw), I just thought maybe since it doesn't do tons of damage it might not be worth it

Yeah EX moves are a no-go

[magic harness]

Just for the style
I tried a 3 bar QM that did 690
I went Cl. C, 6B, 214BD, 263BD, Climax

[sinful herald]

Right. For Liz I can do cl.C > 6A > QM > cl. C > 6A > 214A > 236246AC > climax for 4 bars

But it’s basically only worth it to style on a kill

Otherwise she can do nearly 3 times that damage spending the same bar; just needs 4 touches instead of one

[blissful sand]

Well, almost any character that's the case; more touches = more damage for your bar

We talked about that earlier, I was saying I'd rather use a 3-bar combo than a 4-bar one with Shermie bc I'd like to save the 1 bar so I can use a couple EX moves if needed to close out the round

[sinful herald]

Right but I don’t know if almost any character gets 500 off a close heavy and one bar tho

Yeah exactly I’ve been preaching this for a while now, win neutral more often and cap spending at 2 meter

[magic harness]

I mean, is there much of a difference between using a 4 bar combo that deals 80% and then a meterless that deals 20%
And using 2 combos for 2 bars each that deal 50% each?

[sinful herald]

It depends but for the most part? Yes there is a difference. Just based on your math you can kill a character off 2 touches (while building meter) instead of leaving someone barely alive with a chance to interact with you again, while you hope to get the meterless touch, that probably depends on a jump in or close heavy starter

Not to mention that dumping 4 bars prob leaves you with no meter, so now your options are limited plus zero defensive meter spending

But 2 of my characters get 500 off a bar (to start the combo) and the other gets 500 off 1.5 so I’m biased. Spending anything past that is wasteful as I maybe get another 100 dmg off that extra bar spent when I could keep it in my pocket for the next touch. Sometimes having meter is about the threat of what could be done. For example idgaf about getting reversal grabbed by a meterless Shermie, it’s whatever. When there is cash on hand it’s totally different

[magic harness]

Honestly, I just do the opposite
I tend to get my meterless or just 1 bar combo first, and when my opponent has 70% health I go for the 3 or 4 bar combo to kill
That is usually what I personally do

Sometimes, I just get stray hits
One or two 2C anti air, far C pokes, or one meterless DP is enough to leave them with like 80%, which means my 4 bar combo will probably kill

But I do agree
You have a strong point
I think it depends on the character
Rock for example does get a lot more benefits using 2 bar combos max
3 bar is only for the kill

Install is 2.5, so it's good imo

[magic harness]

But Shermie and O. Shermie...
I usually do something like this
Zone, get some pokes, some anti airs
One meterless combo
And then fish for the big 4 bar QMs

[sinful herald]

I think it just depends on who we’re playing and what the state of the match is. If we’re doing the above to kill their last character then that makes perfect sense, I actually learned a 3.5 meter corner route with Yuri for that reason, since I’ve had her on anchor lately

On the other hand if we’re doing that to kill the second character I think it’s suboptimal to say the least

Stronger players will capitalize on an opponent with no or low resources

[magic harness]

Yessss
You can't spend all your bar to kill the mid char

I'll usually go for the 1.5 bar route for Shermie if I'm not fighting the Anchor
It's very meter efficient for damage and easy to hit

Specially because Shermie has amazing meterless mix ups, safe jumps and setups after hitting one super

[magic harness]

But yeah, you nailed it
Depends on the match, and the situation we're in
Decision making is something we can't just make rules for
I'm willing to spend 5 bars on Shermie's DP into Lv2 into Lv3 if it's going to kill, or leave them with less than 10% health

But that's if I'm fighting their anchor
I'd NEVER do that against their mid char

[sinful herald]

I tend to agree except for the having 5 bars part; if I have a character with max meter I have done something wrong along the way. Just my personal ethos towards the game but all the players I look up to (and get beaten by) typically spend it as soon as they can and the results speak for themselves

Not to mention that we can’t build more bar if it’s maxed out

[magic harness]

Oh yes, for sure
I try my best not to let 5 bars just stack there
But sometimes, O. Shermie just gets beaten up and dies without being able to spend

There are some situations where you probably did shit and got 5 bars there
Lmao

[sinful herald]

O Shermie does seem like feast or famine for sure. This last week I’ve been running Liz on point and spending .5 or 1 bar max. It’s crazy how she can snowball

But yeah sometimes she just dies lol that’s KOF

[magic harness]

Yessss
The problem with my team is that Angel builds meter like hell
I do spend on EX a lot, but sometimes she just dies with like 2.5 bars
If O. Shermie is in a bad mu, or if I do shit and die with her without having the opportunity to spend, Shermie goes in with like 4.5 or even the 5 bars

[magic harness]

But yeah
Liz has amazing options
I might try her out again
I played around with her a bit, but didn't get too into it with her yet
She seems fun af

I want Team French Natives at some point
Lmao

[sinful herald]

Oh yeah think we’ve all had our point and mid get blown up before

Sounds like a strong team I say go for it

[magic harness]

Not to say shit about King nor anyone who main her
But for me, in my opinion...
She might be the easiest char to learn in the whole game, and one of the best points

Liz is super cool, fun combos to do and very meter efficient, so amazing mid

And Shermie Anchor just shits damage if she has the bar

[grizzled heart]

She do b shitting

[torpid quarry]

💀💀💀💀

[sinful herald]

Jesus Christ woman you shit with that ass?

[magic harness]

LMFAO

[warm hollow]

Fuck yes

[magic harness]

Yes King is very easy to learn and play. I don't play her in older games for nothing, I love Iori (as he is usually very strong and so charismatic and stuff) but King is also a staple of mine in older KOFs

@plush delta @wet briar When I am playing Clark and some very aerial based-character like Isla is doing mixups on top of my head with her command jumps into crossup jump D and stuff, what can I do to "check" her? Or do I have to "just block bro" lol

[plush delta]

Clark has very strong air to air tools

[wet briar]

Close B or air throw

[warm hollow]

There's a reason the first advice in that matchup I ever got was "Don't try to jump in on Clark"

[plush delta]

Clark doesn’t have a strong reversal or grounded invincible anti air though. So if you are good with hop pressure or can do a safe jump on him, he’s in trouble

[warm hollow]

Yeah I think it was more like "Stop jumping so much ESPECIALLY against Clark"

[plush delta]

Jumping without a purpose will def get you killed

[magic harness]

Thanks guys

I forget about air throw all the time

[plush delta]

Not just against Clark but Clark can punish you by starting it to his vortex

[magic harness]

I'll try close B

[plush delta]

Is this against khrism?

[magic harness]

This was against Luna's Isla

So not an Isla expert but she still fucked me up with her

[plush delta]

Luna is fundamentally strong player. She studies a lot of frame data

And is always on the lookout for frame traps and mixups

[magic harness]

I've felt multiple times for her frame traps yes

[warm hollow]

Also, like, Isla's entire gameplan is to make herself as slippery and hard to AA as possible. Some of it is reversable, but a lot of it will beat you if you try to hit a button

Isla only really has three options in the air - safe landing with 236B, overhead with 214B, or cross-up with 236A > j.D. If you just stand block when she's in the air and react to the cross-up (which isn't a true combo), you'll pretty much always defend it well

She has one low mix-up built in off her 214D, but it's a sweep check and it doesn't really combo into anything so like... pretty much just stand block if she's in the air.

[plush delta]

Try playing khrism more

He plays more “honest” than luna so it will allow you to learn isla’s toolkit more easily so you can be ready for luna next time

[warm hollow]

Our connection was pretty rough to play in last time - I'm interested in trying again when we move to our new house and upgrade our internet, though.

I'd be more than happy to jump into online training or something and go through some of the Isla tech with you, though!

[viscid tartan]

Guess who just won her first ranked Bo3 😎

[plush delta]

Congrats!

[viscid tartan]

Hell yeah

It was 2-0 but both games were pretty close

We were both on our final character both games

[plush delta]

Nice! You should try playing people from this server next!

[magic harness]

COOL
Congrats!!

[magic harness]

Does anyone here play Chizuru?
I'm trying to learn, but...
She is confusing
Lmao

I don't actually know what to do with her
I noticed her combos are super good and meter efficient, even tho super hard to actually execute...
I'm working on 2C, 6A, 214AC, A, 6B, 263C, 2141236A
Even without the super at the end, it's like almost 40% damage for 0.5 bar
But man, the execution is tough af
Are there any shortcuts to help with that?

And the main problem...
Idk what to do with her
I'm playing her like a shoto
Send clone as a fireball
Abuse DP
Fish for a hit confirm into big combo

What is her gameplan?
I don't even know if she is actually a zoner, or a mix up char?
Or am I playing her right?
Abusing far D and 2B for range

[grizzled heart]

@rancid marlin 👆

[magic harness]

Daru plays everyone
Lmfao

[grizzled heart]

His Chiz is very good

[magic harness]

But why so few people play Chiz?
She is a strong char, no?

[grizzled heart]

He can beat me black and blue 3 times to Sunday

[grizzled heart]

Here ? I think she is a little tricky tbh to use and to fight

[magic harness]

I remember
I've been beaten by his Chiz too
Lmao

[grizzled heart]

Idk what they nerfed abt her but she’s so gone from the meta haha

I actually liked seeing her

[magic harness]

Yeah, exactly
I remember seeing her a lot, but then everyone dropped her

[grizzled heart]

I think she should be more ultra punishable from the clones tbh, it’s kinda wild to me that her whole thing is to be a little confusing and when u make the right read she can still block half the time

[magic harness]

Me too
She is cool af!

[grizzled heart]

That’s my only thing w/ Chizuru that I think is annoying

Like Angel employs the same types of tricks and you can murder her if you guess right

why not Chizuru? I think that should be the fair trade off for trick type characters

[magic harness]

It's just so hard to actually do the clones...
They should be automatic imo
I mean, I do 2C, 6A, 214AC
If I don't do anything, she sends the clone and the clone just goes to the other side of the screen
Right through my opponent
I need to press A again SUPER quickly for the clone to actually hit my opponent

I hate that
Lmfao
Specially her 214BD, B, 214B
My fingers just aren't that quick

[magic harness]

I do agree tho
I've fought a Chiz SUPER annoying at ranked
I just couldn't do anything
Lmao

Had to Shermie Tod her

Even tho, I do have to say
Fighting Chiz is just super funny with O. Sherm
The orbs stop and damage the clones, and they just can't go over it nor anything
So I spam orb and Chiz can't do anything

[grizzled heart]

“Had to Shermie TOD her” LMFAO

[magic harness]

LMFAO
It's not even a Tod
It's like 85%

Speaking of TOD...
Does anyone here know the Yama TOD?
I watched videos and stuff
And I copied EXACTLY the same as the video
But...
I still only get like 920 damage or something of the sort
Never the full 1000

[grizzled heart]

me, TOD master: yeah I know it

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

I need to do the Iori TOD one time

[magic harness]

Also never done it

Yama is the easiest Tod tho
Really, it's not much harder than his normal combos

[magic harness]

Honestly
Angel does WAY more than him to get half the damage
Lmfao

[grizzled heart]

The Iori one tho

it’s free

[magic harness]

I never even tried to do it tbh

[rancid marlin]

I’m sure the A was an accident in this notation. But the main combo ender for max dmg is heavy DP into her seal super which you had correct. Not sure of any shortcuts from DP into that motion other than like Half Circle Back Forward QCF some shit like that. Some say to do that but I’ve never found it helpful. I literally do the entire motion and if it comes out, then I was accurate. It’s the same as Kyo Orochinagi from DP. She has to be able to do this for optimal combo damage though with super. Any easier way though is to omit the DP and use her 236A ender into seal super. Probably missing a few dmg points but at least you won’t miss huge dmg from dropping the super entirely.

[rancid marlin]

And I personally don’t think she is effective at zoning. She needs to rushdown and pressure the opponent. Withering away at guard meter and creating mix up opportunities with the clones. Her 22AC and BD can go through projectiles, and yes the O Sherm matchup can be awkward but it’s not impossible. A lot of people spam clones because others may not have an answer for it, so go as far as the opponent lets you I guess..

I think the thing that scares people off from playing certain characters is that they hear, “oh this character is hard idk if I can do it” but if you want to go tf off with Chizuru or Angel.. by any means. Never thought that I would ever get to a point where I could play Angel or Chizuru, but after trying her out, it wasn’t as bad as people made it out to be.

[sinful herald]

I’ve never heard anyone say Chiz is difficult, usually it’s the opposite actually. Obviously Angel is in her own tier of challenge but newbie Chiz players can get a lot of mileage out of her really strong pokes. The clone mix takes it up a few notches

[rancid marlin]

Difficult to master either one of these. Chizuru wasn't someone I was able to just pick up and get saucy with when I first grabbed the game, but also back then I don't think she was "high tier" or whatever.. Definitely way more carried over Angel

[sinful herald]

Right I worded it poorly, it’s damn near impossible to get by on pokes with Angel but Chiz (especially season 1 hoooooly CD) was more doable. But yes was trying to say that adding in the other stuff takes time and makes Chiz far more dangerous and well rounded

[magic harness]

Maybe I shouldn't have actually written the A, but it was the button I use to cancel the ex clone early, so it doesn't go through the opponent
And the DP into super isn't even the problem
It's exactly the 214AC into 6B
I can't do it properly

[magic harness]

I do agree completely
It just took one person to tell me Angel is a rekka character that has more than like 2 followups for me to actually understand her and decide to really main her

[rancid marlin]

They actually buffed her 6B this season I believe after nerfing the far.D and something else. Her 6B has low invul and also juggles airborne opponent

Have to be proper with your timing when they go up

[magic harness]

Cool af!
So I should abuse that

[rancid marlin]

Idk if it's that good but maybe

far D still kinda stupid though but easier to punish now

[magic harness]

Lol
Thank you so much!

[magic harness]

Any tips for that tho?
Or easier routes?
214AC into 6B, DP?
Or 214BD, 214B, DP?
I think both routes do almost the same damage, but...
Both are extremely hard for me?

[rancid marlin]

that clone cancel shit just will take some practice tbh, have to be very fast when stopping the clone, but not too fast to where it doesn't stop when you want it to. Only alternative I can think of is to just do 236A that's the literally the easiest thing, but eventually you'll have to do clone then stop, in combo anyways

Took me a while to even get comfortable doing her light confirms tbh

only work off of heavy clone or EX clone which is crazy

literally have to 214 stop then do it again smh

[magic harness]

Ok then
I guess she is just like Leona
I'll just have to practice her a lot every day

Thank you so much!!!!!!

[rancid marlin]

Leona prolly easier tbh

if you can charge well that is

[magic harness]

Don't say that
Today was my first time landing her big combo online
Lmfao

[rancid marlin]

Chizuru idk how to even do the 236236 super combos

I see them I'm like wtf

Leona combos are doable... for the most part

[magic harness]

LMFAO
I've seen some on YT, but never even tried

[rancid marlin]

yeah they can get kinda crazy, but anything is possible

[magic harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYscIoc2d4E

good advice in Japanese with English subtitles for beginner/mid-level players

"5 important tips to overcome slow growth in KOF(XV)"

[warped pine]

I love it, I like doing simple combos I can execute vs chasing the big one

[warm hollow]

@plush delta I know you're working and we already talked about it, but if you think of anything else you noticed, I'd be happy to hear about it

[plush delta]

I’ll see if I can think of something. Might be later when I have time

[warm hollow]

Any and all feedback is much appreciated

[meager portal]

Yo, are Kim's rekkas any good in combos by chance? I'm trying to implement them a bit for low meter combos, and they kinda work, but idk if I'm using them optimally

Cuz for rn, I'm only using them for when I have less than 1 bar, because otherwise, I go for a utility super combo

[grizzled heart]

ehhh they’re aight

you can do confirm into EX rekka and get another rekka after

or flash kick instead of rekka

you can get a HKD from either which is pretty valuable to his gameplan ofc

After ex rekka if u wanna do another rekka do 214C 9D D to do the air one and u get corner carry and HKD

Tbh tho doing like confirm into D hangetsuzan into 236236 D super into 66A air hangetsuzan D or Ex is better prolly

D air hangetsuzan would give u a HKD in this scenario

@magic harness

This look alright to u ?

[meager portal]

I just wanna make sure I'm using Kim's full toolkit cuz he's got some cool stuff, but rekkas are a weird adjustment for me

Ah well, I'll experiment around and find something that works later

[grizzled heart]

If I’m going to be honest, and this is me being sweaty tbh, I don’t like them since they changed the input 😂

I like doing rekka’s because on a kinesthetic level they feel like fun and engaging to do

This one is boring

[meager portal]

Common SNK L

[grizzled heart]

honestly you can play Kim and not use them

All the KOF pros are just doing like KOF13 shit with him haha

(When he didn’t have the rekka’s)

I miss his stomps the most

[meager portal]

Kim doesn't need rekkas with those swag ass pants of his.

[grizzled heart]

👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀

I need to put some time into Kim

Kyo first tho

[meager portal]

I've been putting time into joe and annoying Luna lol

[grizzled heart]

Now I’m annoyed 🤨😑😐

[meager portal]

I'll put Joe at mid, and she'll burn all of her meter just to kill joe in the most overkill way possible

Followed by a "Just because I hate Joe" message lmaoo

[grizzled heart]

That’s my goat right there

joe like the most annoying to fight on team fatal fury and I think the whole team is annoying to fight tbh

[meager portal]

I need to run both BM and Joe on a team so I can make the anti-luna team

[magic harness]

Seems great!

[magic harness]

LMAO
Yessss

[meager portal]

Epic joe gameplay:
🌪

[magic harness]

LOL
Learn Beni too
Worst team ever

[grizzled heart]

I hate Beni also lol

Fighting him only tho

Joe I just hate

When you’re forced to play KOF against a Yuri, Benimaru, Joe player

😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑

[meager portal]

Nah, I couldn't play beni

Hes not fatal fury

[meager portal]

Also, take yall's character hate outta coaching

[viscid tartan]

@spring relic how to I Haohmaru?

[spring relic]

Were you asking in the other threads as well? Just saw my alerts.

[viscid tartan]

Yeah

I was told you play Haohmaru so I figured it'd be reasonable to ping you and ask for advice

[spring relic]

Gotcha. Anything specific?

[viscid tartan]

Well, I was told it might be a good idea to have Haohmaru on point, and I was wondering exactly why

For reference, my current team is Rock, Haohmaru, and Terry, with Rock on point, Haohmaru on mid, and Terry on anchor

[lament mirage]

Rock does better with meter

Is I think the reason

I now disappear

[spring relic]

The TL;DR on that is out the gate, Haohmaru got some whack buttons and his math isn’t great. That will give him extra trouble against the likely opponents he will face in the Anchor position.

Haoh’s j. Buttons in particular are a bit of an unnecessary pain in the ass

[viscid tartan]

Is he better on point than Rock is?

[grizzled heart]

Not to be a hater but I think Rock is prolly better in like every way

[viscid tartan]

Ok? They're both on my team, I'm just trying to decide on order

[torpid quarry]

You’re better in every way bro

[grizzled heart]

I am better than Rock I agree

[magic harness]

Quick question : I've seen quite a lot of Geese player do the close A auto-combo string into light rekka. You can't do that with bars, right? You're forced to have less than a bar or else it's super straight away? I just wanted to confirm that

[plush delta]

No you can do auto combo into special ender by doing A A A B

[magic harness]

Thank you very much Oli, I'm gonna test that whenever I can

[magic harness]

I do it a lot
I do 2A, AAAB, 2363214A

[mild parcel]

@dull elbow

[magic harness]

Okay

let's talk here

I'll go smoke a cig

and come back

[torpid quarry]

He probably isn’t gunna want to learn tbh

[mild parcel]

[dull elbow]

What we’re we even talking about

I’m not correcting that

Autocorrect shit

[mild parcel]

You refusing to take advice.

Genuine advice.

[magic harness]

You think you know everything dude, and that the game's design is at fault

Let me be harsh for a second

Keep that attitude, you won't go anywhere and you might as well leave the server right now

Fighting games aren't for you

[mild parcel]

Theres not much we can do for you if you adopt that pessemistic attitude.

[lament mirage]

Oh damn

Galtera being harsh?

That's new

[magic harness]

Yes

Change the attitude, be willing to learn stuff, and we're talking

[mild parcel]

Because we ARE trying to help.

[magic harness]

Yes we are

Up to you now

[valid wagon]

Hey guys! I’m trying out the crossplay beta, I know I want Shermie and Kim on my team, but who pairs well with them as the third?

Also open to suggestions on what order to put them in

[raven ridge]

Salut, maybe a zoner or a shoto to get the meter? King, Robert, Joe

Kula is a strong point, she gets a lot of meter

Shermie n Kim you can interchange mid/anchor cuz they dump damage with meter

I hear Kim is more mid than anchor cuz his confirms are a little tough but I don't play him haha

[valid wagon]

Tight, I’ll test-drive those four and see who clicks for me

Thanks!

[magic harness]

Shermie and Kim work with a lot of meter
So you can choose between mid or anchor for any of them
Which means I'd tell you to find a point character to actually get that meter for them

Mac gave the best characters
If you're in for it, O. Yash and Angel are also amazing options

[warped pine]

I would say someone with a projectile. You have the other demographics covered

[plush delta]

I recommend Robert for your point

King is my other recommendation

Robert army

[warped pine]

I've been waiting for this

[grizzled heart]

Just do Robert jump back divekick

Here are 100% fool proof KOF strats

Robert Jump bsck Dive Kick, Benimaru jump back Raijinken, Whip Jump back CD

[warped pine]

2b 2b 2b tatsu

[grizzled heart]

^ then this

You do all this and you have won neutral 👍

[warped pine]

works for Robert and Luong. Almost certain W

[plush delta]

Haha that set against my Robert and whip seem to have affected you

[grizzled heart]

it’s more like my set against every whip player haha

I’m not tryna be pissed, I don’t feel that way, I just think I can’t beat the character w/ my gameplan obvi (whip)

[plush delta]

She is very dirty with her mixup. I admit it

Robert is quite honest though

It’s funny how you hate Robert more than Athena or Clark

[grizzled heart]

I don’t really hate Robert I just think he’s boring

The only characters I HATE are like Luong , Angel

[magic harness]

if a luong comes in and does 2b 2b 2b tatsu, she already won neutral? no? the rest is legit tho lol (aside from robert, idk about his dive kick, I haven't had to deal with it yet)

Robert is like the character I would recommend to any beginner with Ryo and King

like if Milk is looking for the easiest characters to play with, I'd recommend those

[grizzled heart]

I would agree I just don’t think he’s cool

[magic harness]

he doesn't like dudes or the tomboy tho

[grizzled heart]

To each their own tho

[magic harness]

yeah Robert and Ryo are very vanilla taste

like it's not even vanilla

[grizzled heart]

He’s still cooler than Ryu

[magic harness]

it's fleur de lait

[grizzled heart]

Ryo is OD he’s cool af