KOF Coaching

[magic harness]

Isn't the DP after CH only?

Let me rephrase that

[rancid marlin]

Yes

[magic harness]

Isn't the DP after j.CD on counter hit only?

[rancid marlin]

Counter hit you can continue combo with DP

[magic harness]

Yeah! And normal hit no follow up or combo possibility right?

[rancid marlin]

EX DP juggle is dead midscreen

you can do it in corner though

@mild parcel Confirm?

[magic harness]

Yes that was his big nerf. No more raw EX DP into DP into lvl2

I'm pretty sure it's dead too but yeah

Is his regular A dp invincible?

[mild parcel]

Yes, and it does more damage in the corner nowm

[magic harness]

Hey Bubbles you inspired me to pick up Krohnen

[rancid marlin]

Yeah I really don't play Kroh like that tbh

He's K's rival

so..

yeah

[magic harness]

Oh...

Yeah..

[rancid marlin]

I know his moves and stuff though

I got the basics of everyone I feel like at this point

[magic harness]

I can attest to that LOL

[magic harness]

Who don't you play again?

Even Billy I see you did well

Ash now too

[rancid marlin]

Lol my Billy is straight trash

[magic harness]

I felt like his Gato wasn't sharp but he dislikes the character

[rancid marlin]

I literally dont even know his specials

[magic harness]

LOL
Spam CD

[rancid marlin]

Gato I will have to see what's up with him

[magic harness]

Oh
I also dislike Gato
And Yash

I could've killed his anchor gato if I hadn't dropped

I like Gato. But not fan of Yash, he's okay.

Totally off topic : double ethernet cables really is the biggest QoL improvement I've had in a while

I'm a big fan

Okay so I'll lab and try out Kro tomorrow

Btw I have Friday off this week so I'll try to actually play a lot this weekend unlike the previous one that was a fluke

And I'll play RE4R during the week (will play KOF too)

I'll stop there, this isn't the "dear diary" room or whatever

[rancid marlin]

tbh Kroh is pretty straightforward and easy and he does hella dmg

so have fun

Shouldn't take you long to get going with him if you like him enough

[magic harness]

Yeah I saw that, I wanna switch out Rock for a while. Love the char but maybe he's just not for me yet. I feel like I hurt myself playing with him. I'm too basic, I need unga bunga and Krohnen is unga bunga big dmg

[rancid marlin]

Yeah esp since they've nerfed Rock this season, requires a bit more finesse to win with in a lot of matchups

He's super 'honest'

[magic harness]

I didn't even know he got nerfed. Damn

[rancid marlin]

Like I think that's what it is

He lacks the gimmicky gameplay

[magic harness]

You know hadn't he been nerfed last patch, I would play Gato right now

[rancid marlin]

What's stopping you other than nerfs?

[magic harness]

But Rock took the hammer too? Damn

He's a bit too hard for a beginner learning kof fundies

Gato I mean

[rancid marlin]

ngl I started this game playing like, Shermie, Mai, Kula, some other shit lol

[magic harness]

I could've put in the work but... yeah idk. I will definitely pick him up later tho

[rancid marlin]

If you really want to then I'd say go for it tbh

I literally bought that DLC and still haven't learned him so idk what to tell you

[magic harness]

I'll think about it. The nerfs + the difficulty made me cold on Gato but now you have almost reignited my interest for the character

I'll try out Kro first. Then possible Gato point

He's good in point right? Gato

[rancid marlin]

I believe he's one of those who can go anywhere

[magic harness]

That's dope

[rancid marlin]

I'm not really familiar what they nerfed on him though

[magic harness]

Yeah I don't know what they nerfed exactly either

[rancid marlin]

Based on his moves though and from when I've went against him, he has like the 8 stances and he just runs down on you with an endless blitz of attacks

[magic harness]

Lololol true

[rancid marlin]

I used to hate fighting him tbh it felt endless

Nah I kinda want to see you with Gato now tbh

I hardly see him much nowadays at all

[magic harness]

Yeah even M' dropped the poor Gato

He was pretty busted at release right? Gato

[rancid marlin]

idk probably

[magic harness]

Mb that's why you saw him everywhere and hated him

I also have to work on my Clark schmix because I feel like people can always get out of my vortex pressure after elbow followup

Oliver gave me some tips tho

[rancid marlin]

yeah ask tiago too

his clark is kinda crazy

[magic harness]

Yeah Tiago Clark godlike

I want to go in online training with him, Clark mirror and he shows me the stuff

Could we do that one of these days? @wet briar online training Clark mirror and you show me the good stuff and how to perform it. Because I feel like people ain't scared of my Clark when they should be getting vortex'd all day

Also looking forward to EvoJ

Even though we 99% know who the winner of KOF will be lol

But VF will be hype, Japan is crazy on VF

[plush delta]

@wet briar please share the Clark Os with me and galtera

[magic harness]

Please Tiago 🙏

I also want to learn Isla at some point. Even though I don't understand shit about her she looks cool and fun to play and her design is original. As you said @rancid marlin she's unique. Plus she seems strong

[rancid marlin]

Yeah her mix is ridiculous

I had a moment where I half ass learned her myself

[magic harness]

True! The pressure she can put

[rancid marlin]

but that was so long ago

[magic harness]

And that speed on her dash. In half a second she goes 3/4 of the screen ready to throw you

I'm exaggerating but in neutral mid range, dash up throw from her feels almost unreactable

[mild parcel]

[magic harness]

She does good damage, good neutral, very good mix, good pressure

[magic harness]

Rock requires too much finesse all around, even in his combos it feels like. When this mofo Krohno confirms any hit into 3D it's done

And I don't use supers with Geese/Clark anyway. If I learn Gato it might be a different story tho

[raven ridge]

Rock doesn't need a whole lot! You should definitely give him an honest go

[magic harness]

I admit I'm a lazy mofo when it comes to him. I expected a super easy straightforward character with good buttons into good damage, and that's what he is, and he's cool and sexy and all that, he can be played the way I want and you can succeed very well I bet. But there's more to him, I still feel like I'm hurting myself playing him because I'm a lazy bitch. So I want to try Krohnen and see how it goes. But I'll keep playing Rock for sure.

The way I see things, if I end up liking Krohnen, I will have Rock in drawer, I'll hone him just a bit and come back with him later. Because until recently I didn't even know he had a parry dude xddd

[raven ridge]

Krohnen is much more free than Rock ahah. Rocky has options for almost every situation, but not everyone (me included) utilize all of them.

[rancid marlin]

Yeah thats what we want sometimes

Free

[raven ridge]

fuh-ree

don't let that discourage you from playing Krohnen though, have at it. He's got great neutral, buttons, and some wild damage

Not as wild as it used to be but still very high.

[magic harness]

Yeah that's what I'm saying. I just want to try out an actual straightforward character with Kro and I think he will fit what I need because when I don't fuck around doing non-invincible EX reversals with Geese and Clark or doing some stupid shit that costs meter, even if I do combos with Geese and Clark all my combos are 0.5-1bar. Most my matches Rock comes in with 4 bars. Krohnen will feel right at home 😄

||Try Shermie||

[blissful sand]

I like the suggestion but Shermie's reversal options aren't really as catch-all as Krohnen's

[magic harness]

Agree, but she eats meter just as much
Lol

[rancid marlin]

Krohnen better though

[magic harness]

I don't have a very good feeling with Shermie. Not that I don't like her gameplay, it's just I've been playing Clark who is the king of conditioning and making you scared on your wakeup and even with him I feel like my opponent aren't scared because I don't know how to do the setups properly. Hence why I asked Tiago to hop in online training, to show me the good stuff and make sure I do it right

Shermie just ain't for me yet

O. Shermie then
Lmfao

Lololol

Angel?

[rancid marlin]

omg

[blissful sand]

Angel isn't really a meter dump character
She's a better meter builder honestly imo

[magic harness]

Yeah O. Shermie why not. Queen of trap with huge damage

Angel too hard anyway

Its gonna be Krohnen anyway

[magic harness]

OH
Right, he wanted a big spender

[blissful sand]

You forgot what he wanted and just started naming characters?

[magic harness]

Yeah. Straightforward anchor, unga bunga-er the better. Big damage. Krohnen.

[magic harness]

Yamazaki?

Huge damage

It's just logic at this point

Hmmm

I'll think about it

[blissful sand]

Krohnen is a good pick for what you want

[magic harness]

Basically
Lol
Sorry!

But I'm gonna try Krohnen first anyway

[blissful sand]

Yamazaki can do it too though that's not a bad recommendation

[magic harness]

He is
Kroh is very good
It's just that I personally find him hard

Never understood him that well

Yeah Yama is really cool but as I said I need unga bunga Yamazaki don't seem unga bunga

[magic harness]

Ah alright

Well I'll see

He kinda is
You just need one good confirm into QM
And 3 bars become 75% danage

[blissful sand]

For what reason? Charging gun or something?

[magic harness]

Hmmm... I'll consider. I'll try him out too maybe I'll end up liking him a lot

Yama I mean

Nope, I just don't get his confirms and combos

But its gonna be Krohnen 80%, just not 99% anymore

With Krohnen I feel like I'll be able to win these games when it's anchor vs anchor and I have 4 bars 50%HP but fuck up the combo or do stupid predictable shit and die like a dumbass lol

My problem with K9 is that Idk his gameplan tbh

[rancid marlin]

blow someone up

ggs

[raven ridge]

Get the hit, confirm into DP, commence big boom

LOL

Fuck Krohnen

[magic harness]

Even I know Krohnen gameplan lol. At least I think I do. Gameplan Is probably not the problem

Luna, don't you just... not like the character? Like his gameplay

He's just not your type and that's it? I think it's the reason you have trouble playing him

[magic harness]

Maybe...
But I like him so much as a char
Lol

Yeah I feel you :'3

He is your type, but his gameplay isn't... he goes too fast... :'3

(Not actually saying he goes too fast it's just the character is a biker that goes fast ya feel ya feel me? Yeah I need to go to bed)

Lol
He does

I'm more into slower chars

[blissful sand]

I don't think Krohnen's combos are that hard (though canceling DP into the DP super is harder now) but he does move quickly I guess

Who do you play that's slower

[magic harness]

South Town
Shermies and Angel

Angel actually isn't slower
But...
Eh

[mild parcel]

Krohnen: "Im like a horse-"

[wet briar]

Yeah sure let me see if I have time today and we can go training mode

[wet briar]

Not alone in the VF hype they just play that game in a way that nobody can and the matches are always fun to watch

[wet briar]

I'll see what I can do today at least I got s setup that beats throw and back roll

[normal hound]

been labbing with getting use to Kyo's inputs. Been having a hard time canceling 3d to EX 4214B/D. Did it twice, but i can't get to do it again.

wanna master that so I can get use to implementing a longer combo.

want to follow it with 236b+b.

[rancid marlin]

Yeah that input is definitely weird but I feel like this game gives a slight bit of lenience with this. With Shingo it’s apart of a majority of his combos but with Kyo I don’t really use it like that mid combo. Realize as well that you have more time than what you think you do to 3D (1 hit), release this input as fast as you can - get to holding back preemptively, then QCB.

Was it MVC3 I think Spider-Man had like the fr reverse DPs but this game just requires you to do the qcb which is a lil bit easier to work with @normal hound

[grizzled heart]

Definitely the kinda thing that takes practice

But once u get it you can do a ton of cool stuff

Tbh you can also 6B into 4214 EX too and it’s easier

3D a better command normal and confirm tho

[wet briar]

You can do 2x hcb and the Ex kick will come out see if that is easier for you

[normal hound]

I’ll give it a shot

[magic harness]

Krohnen 623A into 236x2+P is a pain in the ass to come out for me. I know I should 6236 but I'm so used to doing DPs clean, has anyone got some tips aside from grinding it out?

[small haven]

Just hold forward during tatsu animation, then just do qcf P x 2

[small haven]

^

[magic harness]

holy shit let me try it out but you have to be right

i was trying to do it perfectly timed like a tryhard

thank you @small haven I'm one step closer to the unga bunga

[normal hound]

Can’t say. I never owned a copy of MvC3 😦

Was still poor back when the recent consoles were ps3 and 360

[rancid marlin]

Lol I just got it like a couple years ago was like 9 on Ps store

[wet briar]

https://tenor.com/view/foot-dive-doctor-doom-mvc-mvc3-dr-doom-gif-25817873

[rancid marlin]

Dr Doom

4th wall break

[normal hound]

it seems the main issue is to position my left hand correctly. Meaning, some moves wont register due to misinput, so I gotta place my hand right when using the joystick

i swear I've done Kyo's trials on 14 with little issue, and thats before i got my arcade stick

with that in mind, i tried it with Joe, and admit that if had done this during my match with Daru, my combo would have been done right. (I EX hurricane upper instead of EX 623AC)

gimme da dunce cap.

[wet briar]

@plush delta and @magic harness i see if I can do a video today had not so many time this week sorry

[raven ridge]

You play on stick or?

I think there are characters who you can definitely train with for certain inputs. Like Joe you can practice some bnbs and get used to multiple HC, DP, QCF/B inputs in a combo

I think Joe is perfect to get used to inputs like that

[magic harness]

no worries man, if you have time to do a video that would be amazing already

[normal hound]

Yes

I can’t input on a d pad

Let alone a controller

[plush delta]

@lament mirage for Shermie, instead of ending her block string with sweep, try ending it with her dash grab

See if it works in lab first

[lament mirage]

What block string

Cuz the only string I consciously go for ends in 6B

[plush delta]

2B 2A? Maybe @magic harness can help

2B 2A 2B possibly

[rancid marlin]

Did someone say blockstring

@lament mirage

[plush delta]

What’s her light block string ?

[rancid marlin]

For lights?

[plush delta]

And she can interrupt it with dash grab to catch people right?

Yes

[rancid marlin]

Dash grab is not a good thing to throw out after blockstring

[plush delta]

Okay, I just saw someone suggest it in the main server

I mean smoke does it with yuri

[rancid marlin]

Tick throw us much better and safer

Literally a grappler with extended throw range

[plush delta]

Okay, how do you do that for Shermie?

[rancid marlin]

Also, her 2A and 5A link into her cl C

Yuri Kyo whoever can do this with command grab

[lament mirage]

What are some shermie tick throws?

Aside from 2a microdash

[rancid marlin]

That’s kinda what it is

[plush delta]

I guess when I say interrupt her block string with dash grab, that’s the same thing as a tick throw

[rancid marlin]

Dash grab seems so slow to just throw out after blockstring may be too obvious

Maybe EX

[plush delta]

Like end the block string early

[rancid marlin]

I wouldn’t personally do it

Depends

[plush delta]

Well you’re the better player

[rancid marlin]

If we are doing like 2A 5C EX dash grab

Maybe after a slight delay

But I could just go for regular EX command grab and get the bounce

Less reactable too

Shermie dash grab I be ready to punish

[magic harness]

I honestly don't know tbh
Never did anything with run grab after blocks
Lol
I can lab tho

Will do rn

[rancid marlin]

Use lights

[magic harness]

Hm
2B, 2A, Heavy run grab works

[plush delta]

How reactable is it?

[rancid marlin]

Good luck

[magic harness]

Cl. C, 6B(2) into light run grab seems to work too

[magic harness]

Idk...
That's quite hard for me to say tbh

[magic harness]

I also don't think it's a good idea
But maybe, just maybe...
It works one time or another

[rancid marlin]

This not a combo right here? Only EX dash grab combo from lights ?

[magic harness]

Nope
Light run grab works too

And no, not a combo
But works on block

[rancid marlin]

But we don’t fight people that block

And you have shermie

[plush delta]

Yeah there’s no throw recovery

[rancid marlin]

I wouldn’t risk doing dash grab mid blockstring at all tbh

What was cien trying to do

[lament mirage]

Like I do anything

[rancid marlin]

Cause really in order to create pressure with Shermie you need to scare them into doing what you want then to do which is already a given

She hits so damn hard

She has a super plus ass 2A/5A

[rancid marlin]

Her 5B and 2B are good

How about micro dash command grab instead

Or just step slightly

That’s what I’d recommend

All grapplers must do this

[rancid marlin]

You could be great if you get rid of that

[magic harness]

I can't do it tbh
Maybe my execution is shit, but seems much slower

[rancid marlin]

I can show y’all when I get home

Im sure everyone had seen me do this. Is more simple than you think

[magic harness]

Wow, 2D into heavy run grab works if fully spaced

Seems good now that people expect my accel after 2D

[lament mirage]

I could be great if I do a lot of things

Things I continually to tell myself to do with no avail

But I shall continue telling myself anyway

[rancid marlin]

ok

[rancid marlin]

You don’t have to use a special always at the end of the blockstring though

We have our situational normals

[magic harness]

Agree, but I meant 2D on neutral

[rancid marlin]

They not still in blockstun?

Grab might whiff?

[magic harness]

It hits on first frame of not block stun
Lol

[magic harness]

Not if spaced correctly

[rancid marlin]

How will you ensure sweep will be spaced correctly each time

[magic harness]

If done too close, it will whiff
But if done at full length, it can hit

[rancid marlin]

You’re the Shermie main not me

[magic harness]

I actually already do
Accel Kick after sweep doesn't crossup if it hits from too far
I think I might be able to tell when it'd be possible or not

[lament mirage]

I meant in general

[magic harness]

Maybe not, I might do some shit with it
And it's not even that rewarding tbh

[lament mirage]

As in there is no one specific thing I do

Except flail and hope

[magic harness]

The heavy run grab does exactly 100 damage...

[rancid marlin]

Hard knockdown though

Mix time

[rancid marlin]

What’s the opposite of flail and hope ?

[magic harness]

ACTUALLY
I have a setup for that
Can be used in a mix up

After a blocked 2B, I can just go 2D and Heavy Run Grab

Instead of Accel as I usually do

[rancid marlin]

Ok

[magic harness]

Then again, kinda risky and not very rewarding
But might help if my opponent is expecting a crossup

[rancid marlin]

Heavy run grab is slow asf

[magic harness]

Yeah...
Very reactable

[rancid marlin]

If they just sitting there respecting and scared then sure

But a mashy player idk if this will work

Maybe if they try to roll or some

[magic harness]

Ok, bad idea Oli
I don't think it works
Lmfao

[magic harness]

Exactly...
Most probably not

[lament mirage]

Deliberate and curse

[rancid marlin]

Shermie neutral be like

[magic harness]

Will try to see if I can set the dummy to do something

[rancid marlin]

Make them mash 5B or something

[rancid marlin]

Ok get some of that then.

[magic harness]

Beats 5A
But not 2B
Nor DP

[rancid marlin]

Lol I would just DP anyways

[magic harness]

Exactly

[rancid marlin]

But the normals depend on what character ofc

[magic harness]

Welp...
Then again, I think this was a bad idea
Doesn't always work, character dependent, heavily spacing dependent and to make it worse, only 100 damage?

Nah, that shit is just not worth it

[rancid marlin]

@lament mirage

Shermie mains be like

[lament mirage]

Real

[raven ridge]

Right. I play on pad so I can't give any tips, unfortunately hahah

[wet briar]

Want does he need i use stick?

[raven ridge]

@normal hound

[normal hound]

It’s a me, Mario problem. Honestly it’s how I’m holding the stick

[wet briar]

Is it the holding down wake up problem?

[normal hound]

I don’t follow.

I’ll try to explain it. Whenever my input is off, I noticed that it’s the position of my hand, or how I’m holding on the ball of the stick. I don’t have a firm grasp, otherwise I would just lose constantly.

I think it’s a lvl of muscle memory on my end as well.

[magic harness]

According to you guys, in terms of gameplan and neutral overall, which one is easier to pick up for a beginner as an anchor, Ralf or Krohnen? I'm kinda hesitating between the two. Ralf seems to have an easier time in neutral and also have great damage for the invested bars

[grizzled heart]

Interesting question

Maybe Ralf ???? I feel like his combos might be just as easy as Krohnen, but I think Krohnen has easier access to damage compared to Ralf

they both have a pretty good command of neutral when in control but for different reasons I think

Simple solution: run Ralf mid Krohnen Anchor 😈

[magic harness]

well, as long as ralf can connect a normal into 3A he can go into whatever route he wants I think? it's a pretty easy access to damage i think. krohnen probably does more damage since he can assassinate you for 3 bars though, I haven't tried a 3 bar on ralkf yet

[grizzled heart]

Best of both worlds

[magic harness]

hehehe

thing is

[grizzled heart]

The glory of KOF

[magic harness]

if i spend too much with ralf krohnen will be useless

the reason i want a super damaging anchor is that i don't do supers with my first two characters : Geese and Clark

but good idea, I'll think about it

[grizzled heart]

I’d say having a mid and anchor w/ reliable damage dump is a good thing

[magic harness]

true

[grizzled heart]

Bubbles runs Ralf point and I have the worst time tryig to get him out the way

Ralf is some serious shenanigans lol

Krohnen is more straightforward now

to fight against

[magic harness]

maybe ralf is deadly enough with 1-2 bars combos I'll compare with clark, he clearly doesn't have the setups Clark has but if he has a lot more damage I'll really think about switching...

[grizzled heart]

But it’s still like 5 bar krohnen ??? U might not want to jump on this man 😂

Clark, Ralf, Krohnen is a really strong team

Clark Geese Krohnen is as well

[magic harness]

oh yeah, light DP into level 2 into climax and you're gigadead

[magic harness]

You should with Geese
He has pretty good damage with bar
Specially his Lv2, for some reason, does DAMAGE

[grizzled heart]

idk yeah I don’t think you can go wrong here w/ any of these characters

[magic harness]

you mean qcfx2 A+C ? @magic harness

yeah you're right I remember it does insane damage now

might be worth putting him mid now that i think about it

Yes
After the heavy rekkas, it usually does like 50% to 60% depending on if you got optimal starter or not

wow

Also, reversal Rashomon
50% for 3 bars
And super easy to combo into
And insanely stylish
Lmao

[grizzled heart]

That shit is so hype

[magic harness]

oh yeah rashomon

[grizzled heart]

Geese is so stylish I love him

[magic harness]

it's a cmd grab too but it combos yeah

[grizzled heart]

Me and Luna both play for style points I feel like

[magic harness]

found a pretty good 1.5 bar ralf combo

[grizzled heart]

Post

[magic harness]

whatever starter -> 3A -> 624B+D -> 236C -> 236A -> 236x2 A

damage depends on starter

from a 2B->2A starter it does 400 damage

from cl.C starter, almost 500

[grizzled heart]

Post a video bro !!

😈😈😈😈😈

[magic harness]

I don't know how to record on PC lol

[plush delta]

Clark damage is pitiful and Ralf actually has better buttons 😦

All Clark has is armor grab and oki

[magic harness]

yeah...

poor Clark dude

except if it's Tiago Clark

then he becomes scary af

[plush delta]

That’s cause he has mastered the oki safejump setups

But as you see, he still has to do it several times

[magic harness]

yeah but to be fair, if he could kill you from 1 or 2 setups, Clark would be picked by top players lol

as he would be turbobroken

but we still love him as he is

[plush delta]

Yep, he’s not a popular pick at the top level

Popular at low level though cause he’s a scrub killer

[grizzled heart]

Clark mains be like “he’s the worst character he has no damage he sucks they nerfed his air buttons”

🤡🤡🤡

Doing a little trolling

[plush delta]

It is true!!!

[grizzled heart]

meanwhile, also oliver: Billy is the best character in the game

[lament mirage]

Shadow X really all the Clark rep

On a high level

[plush delta]

Lol I didn’t say he is the best, just that he isn’t trash

[grizzled heart]

We do a little trolling

[plush delta]

Clark is mid level imo

[plush delta]

And madkof in Asia

[grizzled heart]

I agree w/ what ur saying but I think the vortex and snowball of Clark is something that can’t be left out in this conversation

[plush delta]

I agree. That’s why he’s still good

[grizzled heart]

But if you know the matchup and are ready it can be pretty over for Clark

[plush delta]

Just not top tier

[grizzled heart]

definitely

Ralf has more of a command of neutral just based on his kit anyway too

Ikari Warriors is like a stupid strong base team when u think abt it

[plush delta]

I do think Ralf buttons are better

[grizzled heart]

Ralf and Leona have fucking cracked normals

Clark is a setup monster

[plush delta]

And Clark has great normals too. Ralf just better

[grizzled heart]

Leona prolly the dark horse tho

You have to be good to play her

And I am not good 🥲

[lament mirage]

Leona is the Shonen protag

Less reliable but when she hit

She hit hard

[grizzled heart]

Unless u drop 😂

[lament mirage]

Read: less reliable

[grizzled heart]

I’m illiterate bro don’t tell my Dumbass to read 😂

[lament mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[plush delta]

It’s so weird that Clark is a big bodied character who does little damage

Usually big bodied characters do big damage

[grizzled heart]

He does increased mental damage

[plush delta]

True!

[grizzled heart]

Insert Raitguy Clark comment

[plush delta]

He has strong chance to tilt you

Athena too

[grizzled heart]

Hmmmm I wonder what Oliver focuses on when playing 🤔🤡

[lament mirage]

Big thunk

[grizzled heart]

Last time we played in Party I got revenge on Athena

[plush delta]

Yeah I think, you sharpen up, you can beat my team

Usually, it’s because your third character is lacking

[grizzled heart]

Yeah leona sucks

I’m wack w/ her

what an evolution

Oliver: leona your best character!

Now: leona is my worst character

[plush delta]

I have a consistent team of 3, while your Iori and kyo can be super strong, you can also have lows with them and you’re missing a third

[grizzled heart]

Yeah I’m mad inconsistent

Was talking abt this in the other chat

Kim will be the one

[plush delta]

So in a party match where it’s 1v1 character, you can easily beat me. But in a team match where you have to be good with 3, it’s much harder for you to win

Your kyo and Iori are good enough to beat daru’s friend and even steal a game from Daru

Like your highs are higher than my highs but your lows are lower too lol

[grizzled heart]

The mental stack of KOF definitely gets to me a lot of the times like mental fatigue wise

[plush delta]

Yeah KoF mental stack is a lot

Needing to be good with 3 characters is def a lot to ask

[grizzled heart]

yeah idk how to get around this other than playing more haha

Waiting for Kim

I’m going full force w/ him when he drops

[plush delta]

Oh definitely, there’s a lot of labbing behind the scenes

Even Daru when he says he’s casual, dude definitely labs, cause he knows the safe jump setups

There’s a lot of tech videos too

[grizzled heart]

Real

I just gotta play more

Saying this after I’m not gonna be able to play most of the weekend tbh 😂

[plush delta]

I’d say 50-50 with actual matches and labbing

[grizzled heart]

True

[plush delta]

Yeah I’m traveling most of next week and won’t be able to play so I’m gonna be rusty again

[grizzled heart]

love playing Kyo and Iori so much wish I could just ratio 2 this shit like it’s CVS2 LOL

[plush delta]

Kim will help

[grizzled heart]

I already have an idea on how to play him too

[plush delta]

Max dood will have a preview either tomorrow or Monday

[plush delta]

I want to learn him but the rekka is scary

[grizzled heart]

I was actually practicing Kim combos in 02 when u pinged me that the trailer dropped the other night

[plush delta]

What’s his rekka inputs?

[grizzled heart]

That rekka easy

so there’s two diff ones

The first one is like the Iori one where it’s just QCB punches x 3

[plush delta]

I have trouble with that one

[grizzled heart]

But you can also do QCB P up forward kick then forward kick and he’ll like go into the air

The kicks are overheads too

[plush delta]

The easy rekka is the geese rekka/sf6 Jamie rekka

[grizzled heart]

Geese rekka mad free

[plush delta]

That doesn’t sound easy

I bet KoF15 will make the inputs easier

[grizzled heart]

That rekka mad free oli haha!

[magic harness]

Probably
Lol

[grizzled heart]

the combo they showed in the trailer at the end is mad easy tho

[plush delta]

Which one? The raw blue max?

[grizzled heart]

It’s cl heavy normal 6B 214 K (hangetsuzan) 214236 K for his super, 236236 K climax

Yeah the blue max

[plush delta]

Oh yeah that’s just basic KoF combo

[grizzled heart]

yeah he’s easy

[plush delta]

Almost everyone has that

It looks like he has a lot of juggles too for his ex moves

The trailer has a super long combo with all the juggles

[grizzled heart]

They’ve taken rekka away from him in other games so idk if it’s gonna be a big part, def good for meterless combos mixups etc but idk if it’s gonna be that vital

he has like every cool tool usually

[plush delta]

We’ll find out in a day or 2

[grizzled heart]

Rekka, dive kick, flash kick etc

[plush delta]

I love my dive kicks

[grizzled heart]

the Kim dive kick godlike

[plush delta]

And flash kick is an easy reversal

[grizzled heart]

I love a flash kick

Kim’s is so cool too

[plush delta]

He has the Liu Kang dive kick

[grizzled heart]

WAATTTAAAAAAAAH

[plush delta]

Yeah and it looks like it will have the followup for hard knockdown if you want

[grizzled heart]

I love how he drops the Bruce Lee type vocal inflections

[plush delta]

I guess he’s the Bruce Lee equivalent in KoF

[grizzled heart]

K’ actually uses more Jeet Kun Do but he’s not like the standard Bruce homage

[plush delta]

I just realized that Daru will likely main Kim and be scary with him

Kim does have charge inputs though that may scare Daru off

[grizzled heart]

Kim Army

[magic harness]

Does he?

That seems cool

[grizzled heart]

Yeah Flashkick and one of his like charging forward into the air kicks is sonic boom motion

[magic harness]

Oh, that's cool!
Excited to learn him

[grizzled heart]

Me too!!

Overall tho I’d say I’m in a good place and come a long way inconsistencies aside

This is still my first 2D fighter after all LMFAO

[plush delta]

Bro, you definitely have leveled up a lot since you first started!

[grizzled heart]

It’s true 🫡🫡🫡

[magic harness]

Does anyone here play O. Chris?
Trying to pick him up, but things are just weird
Does he have any safe block strings?
And what exactly is the gameplan? Just fish for hit confirms to convert into big combo?

[raven ridge]

I don't play him but oChris is pretty sweet

I think qcb HP is safe but I believe there's a gap in the string. You should lab it to confirm. It's plus on block though

oChris has amazing damage potential and really good corner combo

[magic harness]

Yes, you're right
Safe but gap...
That is bad
I'll figure it out tho
Thank you!

[raven ridge]

I dabbled a lot with vanilla chris, his neutral is a little slower more mostly the same.

2b is very good because you can cancel into a lot of things with it. To get some good damage for combos, ex QCB P gives you the juggle if I remember correctly. I wanna play him too so we can dabble together

Play him aggressive. Aerial you mostly want to approach with jCD because it's a v good button

He doesn't have a good reversal cuz his DP has no invul so you really want to double down on the aggression

[magic harness]

Perfectly fits my style
All aggression and no defenses
Lol

[raven ridge]

you should play regular Chris then

[magic harness]

Yeah, his 2b can go into 2a into 6a into the juggle

[raven ridge]

He's got decent mix options

Got a good high/low, side switch game, command throw

[magic harness]

Eh, I don't like regular Chris
I tried him quite a lot on the first beta and when the game came out
But...
Idk, I just don't like his style

Too fast but at the same time...
Too slow
Lmao

[raven ridge]

He does kind of have two gears eh

Probably because he's so mfkin stubby

[magic harness]

Yes...
Also, I kinda wanted a closed team
Lol
And O. Yash is easy af, so...
Yeah, going for O. Chris

[raven ridge]

LOL play oYash you punk

commit

[magic harness]

Just labbed him a bit
Too easy
Lmfao

[wet briar]

@magic harness só did you like Orochi Chris?

[magic harness]

Still trying him
He is quite weird tbh
I feel stubby with his normals, and I couldn't find a safe block string besides 214C, which has a gap

[rancid marlin]

safe jump setups

[rancid marlin]

O Chris just kill your opponent as fast as you can, that’s your favorite type of game

[rancid marlin]

This is why you should utilize your light normals, these are the safe blockstrings unconditionally

Instead of attack - command normal - special or not

2B 2A is a safe blockstring universally

[magic harness]

AH
Daru!!!!
I learned Angel's low light hit confirm!!!!!
Tried a lot against Tiago today
I am happy

I just...
Don't exactly know when to use it
Lmao

[rancid marlin]

I don’t like how I have to do back forward I don’t like her shit and then when you do 2A 2A you have to use heavy 4 6 I be missing tf out of that shit

Angel cool as hell tho but too much work

[magic harness]

Ah, so no 6A after it?
I was doing 2B, 2A, 6A

[rancid marlin]

Who?

I just meant as a broad example

[magic harness]

Exactly...
Hate that back foward
Lol
But I'm doing it quite consistently

[magic harness]

O. Chris

He can combo that quite easily tbh

I found it much easier to combo lights with him than other chars

[rancid marlin]

Yeah most def

6A is the way

His other one does more dmg but it’s not consistent things will whiff at times

[magic harness]

But on block?
And what after it?
Just nothing?

[rancid marlin]

His specials are not safe except for the heavy 214

And that shit is slow asf

So I use it to fuck with my opponent really and see if they will mash after blocking it

His projectile is not good

So use at your own risk

[magic harness]

Ah, I never even understood that shit

[rancid marlin]

His DP is also kinda meh but they buffed it this season the light DP is 4 frame air invincible

[rancid marlin]

But his projectile does not hit directly in front of him so it is like Isla 5C

But I eats lvl 1 projectiles

Like your girl O Sherm

[magic harness]

Yeah, his DP is not invincible
Which is good tbh
I'd probably do it too much on wake up if it was
Lol

[rancid marlin]

He is the only orochi I have actually learned how to play

[magic harness]

That is cool
Lol

[rancid marlin]

But he is rush down and blow them up

That’s really it

[magic harness]

Will you be mad at me if I pick up O. Yash?
Lmao

[rancid marlin]

You wouldn’t be the only one ..

I’ll just have to defeat all the O Yash players then

[magic harness]

LOL
I just wanted a closed team

[rancid marlin]

Closed ?

[magic harness]

I mean, story team
Awakened Orochi

[rancid marlin]

Yeah might as well if you like Chris and shermie

I only like those two

Don’t really like O Yash when I tried him out

O Sherm I only played her in random tbh

[magic harness]

Regular Yash is also kinda weird to me

[rancid marlin]

He’s EZ mode

[magic harness]

Eh, I'll lab a lot more O. Chris and see if I'll want to take Awakened Orochi seriously

Probably not tbh

[rancid marlin]

There’s definitely better and more fun teams

I’m sure we can both agree here

[magic harness]

Yes, I actually do
But I like CYS quite a lot
So I wanted either the regular or awakened team to be one of my mains

But I just don't like regular Chris and Yash gameplay at all
And awakened...
Still wip

[rancid marlin]

O Chris I’d play over regular chris, but regular Chris has more specials and stuff

Which doesn’t mean that much in the end

[magic harness]

Agree, they are not very different tbh

[rancid marlin]

I meant the opposite tbh. Regular Chris has to do a lot more stuff. O Chris all you need is some meter

[magic harness]

Ah, yes, agree
But in the end, their normals seem pretty much the same and gameplan too
O. Chris is just... Better
Lmao

[wet briar]

He's normals are good jumpD and far C are good button's

[small haven]

@magic harness i see you bring up krohnens normals again so let me break it down for you. Some of them are insane some are ok. (Not going to mention 2b/5a as its a given to be an essential normal.)

Ultimate use:

2a- is easily the best normal hes got. 4 frame and hitbox is fantastic. Ultimate move to interrupt pressure and then convert into 3d slide.

jCd - stupid hitbox and lingering active frames. Slow startup but just covers so much ground. Top 3 jCd probly.

jD - Go-to air normal for jump ins as well as air defense. Cannot be lowprofiled/ very good to use when jumping back.

Fine normals but not as good or used as the above/niche:

6a - Just a poke do not abuse this it can be very susceptible to full jumps and neutral jumps. Also know the spacing (hyper hop range) Good to use to make someone hesitant about moving forward. Grants a skd that they will probably tech, chase them down!

Jump A: active all the way to the ground but tricky to use, very slow startup and only the first hit is an overhead. Pull it out sometimes on hop jump pressure. Only good for jump ins.

jC: semi niche use, has a deceptively wide horizontal hitbox, use this for neutral jump interactions. On hops its 2 hits. Not recommended for jump ins. Also active all the way to the ground.

Close D: overhead that grants a hard knockdown that can be followed up with the otg stomp. This leads into his safe jump looping pressure. Low invul. Nice option to throw them off guard but only usable upclose pressure.

Stand C: other drill normal, kinda slow but reaches decently far. Decent hitbox. Special cancelable and multi hitting. Plus on block.

Close B- standing low that can be rapid cancelled. Another close up mix tool to be used sometimes.

Very Niche:

Stand B: cancelable into command normals. Thats it.

Stand D: why

Stand CD: i get this on accident sometimes when trying to hop CD.

Jump B: why

Also 2C: is in the very niche. Doesnt low profile anymore and usually gets beat out by other stuff. Its kinda slow so it can kinda be used as a footsies whiff punishment if timed right. Still reaches very far and is special cancellable.

For some reason people want to deal with the 6a so bad so they start neutral jumping around like maniacs. Using this fear that they have in them run right under them and dp into super. Krohnny gaming.

[magic harness]

You did a fucking Krohnen guide just for me? Insane. Thank you very very much jalen. I havent checked DC yet so I'll do that too but man does your guide help

Ok so 2C doesn't low profile, I thought it would. But iirc 2D does

[small haven]

2c not anymore the hurtbox is massive now. I fogot about his sweep. Its slow so you cant use it for frame traps. probably does low profile good. Moves him forward and is plus on block.

but yeah slow

i used to use dc alot but the more i learn about the game the more i realize i dont need it as much

[magic harness]

For Geese player out there : I cant try it in lab right now, but is it possible to do OTG grab after lvl2 236x2+P super ?

And do you think I should swap Clark and Geese position? So my team would become Clark/Geese/Anchor ?

Because I don't think it's worth doing supers with Clark, not enough damage

[rancid marlin]

Good idea

Who is your anchor?

[magic harness]

Currently mostly Rock. But I would like to learn Krohnen

[rancid marlin]

Whittle their health away with Clark vortex Geese can do big dmg with some meter

Yep yep

[magic harness]

But I could drop my idea of learning Krohnen to have an anchor that does more damage with less meter.

[rancid marlin]

He can do otg grab after raigou repukken and raging storm supers

Might have to 6B Kara if he’s out of range

[magic harness]

I could see myself playing Benimaru, he has actual good neutral and deadly damage with 1-3 bars combos

[magic harness]

Ob yeah I see

[rancid marlin]

Yeah I’ve been playing Beni lately I was never a big fan of his playstyle. Apparently he’s super good

[magic harness]

Or cancel CD into 214A (light rekka)

Yeah Beni is strong rn

CD kara 6A or CD kara 214A rekka

[rancid marlin]

You could do him or geese interchangeably

[magic harness]

Yup

[rancid marlin]

Beni or Krohnen

[magic harness]

Yeah I think I'll do that

I like beni

I need characters with good neutral. Krohnen might not be for me (at least for now)

[rancid marlin]

Krohnen is pretty easy idk what impression you have of him

Esp anchor

[magic harness]

Maybe when I will have better movement, fundamentals and hit confirms I could play Kro but I have too much of a hard time with him rn

His neutral is too hard for me

[rancid marlin]

ok I get it

Beni got big orbs

Krohnen got..

[magic harness]

Yeah big orbs and good normals

Big mudada dp

Krohnen has godlike normals but he requires good confirms and movement which i don't have for now

[rancid marlin]

Beni is KOF veteran he will help you in the process of learning him as well

I feel like using Ryo Kyo character like this help me improve in KOF

[magic harness]

You mean Beni will help me learn KOF neutral ?

[rancid marlin]

I feel like this is the case

Just my opinion

[magic harness]

Yeah Ryo and Kyo are good learning material too

[rancid marlin]

They are within the roots of Kof

[magic harness]

I think you're right. At least I believe you

Yeah they have strong KOF fundamentals

Joe is also a character I could consider but Beni I want to learn.

My team might become Clark/Geese/Beni

[rancid marlin]

Sounds good

[magic harness]

Yup

I'll spend tomorrow learning Beni buttons and combos. And play just a bit of CPU in training to learn how to confirm his stuff

Because I cant get advantage of all of rock tools, he has too much stuff when I want super straightforward characters

Beni might be the man I need

[plush delta]

Beni has incredible normals but he is also a bit weird

[rancid marlin]

Exactly why I’m not too crazy about him

[plush delta]

He doesn’t have the close heavy- command normal- special that is typical KoF

[magic harness]

And hes that kind of character when put in anchor that can do a lot of damage without having to be super careful with meter management which is cool

[rancid marlin]

He def serves his purpose

[magic harness]

Oh yeah? You need to do close heavy straight into special?

[rancid marlin]

Yep but he can cancel super into special to continue combos

[magic harness]

That's dope

[rancid marlin]

Makes him pretty cool in that regard

[magic harness]

I want to learn Beni

[plush delta]

Yes. Not sure why you giving up on rock. He’s very easy, plays fundamental KoF and has great buttons

[plush delta]

It’s fun to explore characters though

Took me a long time to find my third

[magic harness]

Well I love rock I won't give up on him, I just need to learn how to utilize all of his tools, he isn't as easy as it seems. He has so many options and I don't utilize them at all

I would just like to use a more straightforward character

And be able to spend more meter with my other character, especially geese, since I'm more and more able to confirm lights into far.B into rekka.

[plush delta]

Rock is very straightforward. I don’t even know the inputs of most his moves. I just hop into ex elbow then elbow- super- climax lol

[magic harness]

Clark has good meter management and can build tons of meter if you find ways to do 623A in block strings and in neutral safely

[magic harness]

I know, it kind of works for me too, I could keep playing him but as you said its really cool to explore new options

Krohnen isn't for me right now, but I feel Benimaru will be a lot better for me

[plush delta]

Ryo is good for fundamental KoF too and will give you the booms

Or you can be like me and play vanilla bread Robert

[lament mirage]

I heard Beni

[magic harness]

I'll consider Ryo, he seems super powerful

Yeah Cien you're Beni made me think I might want to play him

[plush delta]

Also consider Shermie for a powerful anchor

[magic harness]

Does he have good damage for few bads?

Shermie I don't have a great feeling for her yet but I will learn her at some point later in my KOF journey

[plush delta]

Not sure what you mean. His damage is kinda middling. He just has a lot of tools for everything and makes a good point.

[magic harness]

She's cool, maybe just not for menyet

[plush delta]

But he’s easy to learn and master

[lament mirage]

Wut

[plush delta]

Shermie is easy too. Easier than Clark

[magic harness]

I'll consider him too. But I'd like to keep Geese and Clark

[plush delta]

Yeah try different characters

[magic harness]

Yeah idk why but she didn't click with me, she's super cool though

[plush delta]

Try their bnbs. See which ones click with you

[magic harness]

I'll explore for my anchor. I don't want to drop Clark, just explore other options, that's all

I have a good feeling for Beni though

[plush delta]

Geese can work as anchor too

Not Clark though. Loser Clark damage

[magic harness]

Yeah, what's wrong? Aside from my horrible English mistake (your/you're)

[lament mirage]

I mean why my Beni of all things

[magic harness]

Madkof plays Clark anchor and does very well, but he's a godlike KOF player.

[plush delta]

Beni has fantastic buttons and will make your life easier

He will win a lot of pokes

His combo structure is weird is all I’m saying

[rancid marlin]

The thing that makes him even better his 6A (elbow) connects from all his lights and stuff so he can get carried by this to link to specials and whatnot

[magic harness]

Well maybe not your Beni, but you're the only I've played on the server that plays Beni (Rait too) and I find him super cool and annoying to play against

[plush delta]

Plus Beni has that weird special input that isn’t always easy for people

[magic harness]

Is Beni DP a real DP? Like 623A ?

[plush delta]

His climax can be done raw to catch zoners though

[plush delta]

Yes

[magic harness]

Dope

[plush delta]

It’s 623k

Or you can use his fireball too. It covers him

Slash is safe unless they GC roll

[magic harness]

Ah yes 623k my bad, so 623A is a meterless invisible dp?

Nice!

Oh maybe TAV plays Beni too

[plush delta]

He doesn’t have a 623A but 623D is invincible

You have to learn the 236k28k input to optimize his combos

[magic harness]

Ah okay, cool, as long as its meterless invincible do that Is geat

[magic harness]

I played Benimaru in 2002um against CPU, I can do it no problem

And iirc you can do 236k and tiger knee to 8k and it does the 28k followup

But even if it's gone I can still do it the legit way

[plush delta]

Sounds like you got the experience

[magic harness]

So yeah, theres a high chance my team will become Clark/Geese/Benimaru and I will learn to do light confirms soon.

Clark is a good control character, and he is also a good battery if you can manage to do 623A in blockstrings or in the neutral safely (after a CD on hit for example, or a 22B/D follow up after 426P)

And if I'm against a zoner point (like Oliver athena) i can always switch back Geese/Clark/Beni)

[magic harness]

I have some

[magic harness]

I wonder what you mean by that now lol

[plush delta]

Just that you have experience playing Beni

[magic harness]

On corner yes
Mid screen? I don't think so

[magic harness]

Oh, right!
It's a thing!

I just hate Karas

[magic harness]

Yamazaki

Because I would just like to admit something, KOFXV is the first online fighting game I've spent more than 10hrs playing online for a long time. My memory is quite blurry but I tried out Strive online but played like very few online sets in ranked, that's it. Same for DBFZ. Last games I really played and spent a lot of time online were USF4 and all versions of Blazblue. Some GGXrd too, loved all those games. KOFXV is the first fighting game I've really played online since 2018. the only fighting game I've played since then is Tekken 7, and it's with IRL friends, most of the time offline. One of them is the best Tekken player in Switzerland too lol so we all got quite good at the game but I barely have played ranked in that game, it's too rage-inducing, ranked Tekken 7 has me smoking a whole pack of cig in 4-6 hours sessions when I usually smoke 10-15 over a whole day. People play so dumb and toxic in that game.

[magic harness]

I played him a bit against CPU in 2002 um and XIII against CPU too. I love rock so I wanted to play him. Krohnen looked dumb and easy but isn't for me yet, so yeah, Beni is the most natural choice for me now and he looks strong in XV actually

[magic harness]

I'll think about it. Yama cool too. Beni is n°1 on my list

For real though, if KOFXV becomes my main game I would like to learn all cast.

[plush delta]

He is currently considered top tier. Just below the meta

[magic harness]

He is Shermie's rival, so I obviously hate him
Lol

[magic harness]

There's a 90% chance he will become main team material as my anchor then

Beni also has a command grab, no? Or am I mixing up with XIII, he had a ommand grab in that game iirc

A command grab that you can follow up with 236K28K

I might consider Athena too, she just has so many tools and easier to grasp those many tools than Rock that has a climax install and everything

And she compensates her lack of range on her normals neutral game with some of the best fireball zoning. Amazing space control and mixups, and that fucking crossup too.

I'll explore all of that tomorrow

But Beni 80% main team material

Does beni j.D still crossup or has it been nerfed and it crossups only in niche situations now

And Athena is also very flexible on her placement. You can have her as a great battery since she loads bars like crazy. Either you do small combo with average (still good damage) or you use bar, she does great damage and it gives you back the meter you used.

She's great in mid, and I bet she does insane damage if you dump meter with her as an anchor with like 2-3 bars

I will learn athena too

But Beni still 70% chance

[rancid marlin]

It still crosses up but his jump b is way more reliable for crossup

[plush delta]

Let us know how it goes

[magic harness]

Oh yeah j.B I think that was the button Cien was fucking me up with

Beni just too good. I think it will be him.

Does he have a command grab? Beni

That leads into combo

Maybe only the EX version leads to combo

Meterless command grab gives you good oki though right? Or did they remove is cmd grab?

[plush delta]

He has command grab that staggers opponent

The ex version

[magic harness]

Sure will. If I need help with Athena I know who to ask! Your Athena gives me a lot of trouble. Why not learn both bit by bit after all

[magic harness]

Hell yeah!

And normal gives you oki? Right?

[plush delta]

Yeah let me know if you have Athena questions

[magic harness]

Like hkd

[magic harness]

Yup!

I legit want to play the whole cast. KOF has the coolest characters

Even when SF6 drops, unless SF6 is even better than it seems to be, KOF might still be my main game. I hope it will stay as active as it is right now and that crossplay will make it so you can find opponent easily in ranked

[grizzled heart]

KOF my main game

Fuck street fighter 6

🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

Six middle fingers

[plush delta]

Counterpoint from Capcom https://vxtwitter.com/kyle71587765/status/1640854640249151488?s=21

@mild parcel

[magic harness]

LMFAO
Jiggle Physics!!!!!!

[grizzled heart]

Idgaf 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

7 middle fingers

[plush delta]

😂

[mild parcel]

[magic harness]

How can you not want to play SF6 and main her when you see that.

[small haven]

@magic harness yes Beni is KOF the character. Who I also use and could help you with

[plush delta]

Gameplay fit is more important to me than visuals. It’s why I main blanka In SF

[magic harness]

Personally my main will either be Jamie (rekkas!) or Dee Jay. But Cammy is 100% my secondary. She's always easy to play and is Capcom's fav. She is always strong in SF. She could actually be my main

[magic harness]

I respect that, I always played cammy because she's hot and easy to pick up

[magic harness]

I'll play him

[magic harness]

So its cool, if I end up picking Athena (20% chance) I can ask Oliver. If Beni (80%) I can ask you (and Cien)

[small haven]

i didnt reead above but skimmed over you giving up on krohnen

whu happened

Hes honestly very honest so you wont see his big damage payoffs if you cant win neutral and land that hit

[magic harness]

I think he doesn't fit my playstyle, at least for now. I could try really hard and play him but his neutral is not for me. Too hard to land that hit. Beni will be a better choice and will improve my KOF fundamentals

[magic harness]

That I don't mind, I like honest fundamental chars with good normals

[small haven]

what about his neutral

[magic harness]

His normals are great but I have a hard time landing those hits. I will play him at some point later in my KOF journey though, I really like him

[small haven]

his big button was 2c but it got nerfed

which is fine

less BD

[magic harness]

Yup I can see that. Thanks for all the advice you gave me though, it will come useful at some point, but I think Beni is my man for now. I'll play Krohnen when I will have more experience

[small haven]

ill write up a beni guide as well

[wet briar]

Clark is worth doing the super but not with the grabs better with volcano punches into running tree super

I also play Beni any questions Open up @magic harness

[magic harness]

Oh yeah I see. Close C, 6B, QM, Close C, 6B, 623A, 426x2 P or PP into climax is a really damaging one. Or even just cl.C->6B->623A->running super lvl1 or lvl2. I'll keep that in mind if I want to keep Clark as my 2 or if I want to do a damaging combo that could kill even as point

[wet briar]

Yeah that combo starter i think you can use the 623C more damage and more time to the Running super the frame window of the punches for the super is longer also on this Patch small buff but a good one

[plush delta]

Athena doesn’t do big damage with her combos unless it’s in the corner. For comparison, here’s the maximum 5 bar damage for my team - Athena 776, Clark 800, Meitenkun 880

She can do 606 for 2 bars or 771 for 4 bars in corner though

[pine prairie]

Thanks a bunch for this! I tried her out today and had a lot of fun!

[magic harness]

I thank you for reading!
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!

[pine prairie]

Do you know any good players to watch? So far I've seen Selina on the Replay Channel.

[magic harness]

Yeah...
I don't
Lmao

It's been a while since I last watched any pros playing
And most of the techs I stole were from Tricky, who was banned from here quite a while ago

Very few people play O. Shermie sadly...

Tricky does still stream on Twitch from time to time
But I haven't watched her streams in months tbh

[pine prairie]

I will check her out. Why was she banned if I may ask?

If this is a sensitive topic you don't have to answer

[magic harness]

Toxicity
She wasn't exactly that friendly to everyone here

Idk exactly what happened tbh
But I know it was because of toxicity

She was probably one of the best player here
I never fought her to be sure, but some people told me she was actually our strongest player

[pine prairie]

I've seen her name pop up on the main server a few times. She was also in one of the recent TNS videos I think. Sucks that she's a meanie

I will quietly lurk to steal some tech then

[magic harness]

Yes, I think she actually got to TNS main stream many times
Idk if she actually won any

[magic harness]

She also plays Billy, so I learned A LOT from her

[pine prairie]

Not the ones that I've seen at least

[pine prairie]

Yeah, she was kinda cooking with him in the video I was talking about

[magic harness]

And she was quite friendly to me
I think I had good relation with her
But we were never close tbh

[magic harness]

I think her Twitch is MsTrickyX if you wanna take a look

But be careful, Idk how toxic can she be tbh

[pine prairie]

Thank you!

I'll take care. Idk what she could even do to me tbh.

O. Shermie seems pretty straightforward, I'll ask her when I wanna know smth specific

She shouldn't mind that

Also, I just noticed that your and Selina's name are related to the moon. Maybe that's a prerequisite to be a true O. Shermie main?

[magic harness]

Selina?

[pine prairie]

From the replay channel

[magic harness]

Yeah, but what does it mean?

I didn't know Selina was related to the moon

And I actually just like Luna
Ofc I took it as inspiration from Harry Potter

[magic harness]

Oh
Cool!

[pine prairie]

There is a goddes in DnD called Selune, who is related to the moon.

Sorry, this getting off topic. Wrong channel

[magic harness]

Just got notif
She is streaming rn
Idk if she's playing Kof tho

[pine prairie]

Looks like she's playing Terraria

Maybe some other time then

[magic harness]

Aw
I think she plays Kof on Saturdays and Tuesdays
Or something of the sort

[magic harness]

thanks

[magic harness]

damn 606 for 2 bars in the corner is super good

[magic harness]

O. Shermie does that for 1.5
And much easier combo
Lol

[magic harness]

Oshermie privilege lol

Lol
I'm jk

[plush delta]

How’s the Athena and Beni testing going?

[meager portal]

Kof gurus, I come seeking knowledge.
How do I deal with iori taco

[small haven]

Block. Or dont be there to even have to block

Its hard to give you an answer because theres so many options

You could be stifling all their jump attempts to make them wanna sit still/dp/backdash to not be there/ roll away/ neutral jump button

[meager portal]

And I keep picking the wrong option

[small haven]

This game is about knowing which options you have being able to cycle them

Also a tendency thing

If they hit you with 2A

They probably about to rehop or hyper hop taco

I dont ever see anyone just yolo jump over a person to get crossup

But i also only play a certain level of players

[small haven]

So notice what they did before they attempted a taco

They’ll probably do it again

Especially if it worked they wont change

[meager portal]

Yeah, the iori I fought mashed 2B before hyper-hopping taco combo

"Know thy enemy"
-Sun Tzu or something

[small haven]

You could blow that up because 2b is not plus

It also takes 4 frames to get off the ground, so, you block 2 2bs and know the jump is coming you could mash your button

[magic harness]

What is the taco?

[small haven]

Iori air command normal

Taco = Tacon

[magic harness]

Ah
The crossup?

[small haven]

Yes

Angel jump C is also Taco

[magic harness]

Ohhhhhhh
Hate that

[small haven]

Also Isla jump D is taco

[magic harness]

Right!
But less annoying than Iori
Maybe because I fight her less

[rancid marlin]

smh Angel players

[small haven]

Tacon = Heel in Spanish

Iori hits you with bottom of his foot. Tacon= eventually turned into taco

[magic harness]

RIGHT

[magic harness]

It's Tamanco in portuguese
Lol

[small haven]

Any crossup where the hitbox is kinda far away from the hurtbox of the character is considered a taco

[magic harness]

Going very well. I like Benimaru a lot, he has a lot going for him, very good buttons and neutral, good damage for 1-3 bars, not too tricky. Athena I still have to try out more tbh

I have an Athena question though @plush delta I could try it out myself but am not at my desk rn so I can't for now, I'll play for 1 hour later. So yeah, imagine the situation : you are throwing out fireballs with Athena, doing 214A or 214C... the opponent can use a EX move or super that will go through your fireball and punish you with a hit or a grab. Can you cancel the recovery of your fireball by doing a super (like 624x2 A/C or lvl2) to punish your opponent's punish attempt?

that would be such sick mind games and a sick punish, like your opponent thinks you're mindlessly spamming C fireballs, except you just want him to use his move that goes through fireballs to punish him very hard

and it wouldn't be that hard to do since you can do your fireballs with 624A/C instead of 214A/C

and after that you've conditioned him to eat fireballs, so you can use C fireballs, and then you do a slow one and pressure behind with Athena high running speed and excellent movement options/mixups to setup a command grab or an overhead or a hop high-low mixup

I would consider picking up athena if that was possible

[plush delta]

I think for that, you need to do a hard read, otherwise, you will be too slow and the opponent will have enough time to recover and block. This goes for all characters with ex projectiles and projectile supers

You can cancel the fireball with super but you have to consciously do it as a hard read not as a reaction otherwise you’ll be too slow to cancel unless you have god like reflexes

[magic harness]

doesn't Athena lvl2 624x2+PP come super fast though? like I've seen it eat Iori j.C that were about to hit

hmmm

but what if you buffer it

[plush delta]

It’s fast but that’s true for a lot of fireball supers

Even ex projectiles

[magic harness]

like doing the fireball with whole half-circles

[plush delta]

You can buffer it like all supers

[magic harness]

and then doing just an additional half-circle when you see the guy use the move

[grizzled heart]

Block, also if you’re fighting a dumbass and they hit it too high up on the body it will not combo

if u get hard knockdowned watch out for it

[plush delta]

Athena super is qcf x2 not hcf x2

[magic harness]

I'm talking about the super where she has spheres rotating around here, is that the one you're talking about?

oh...

[grizzled heart]

so if u get Rekka’d, hit command grabbed or something else be on the look out

[plush delta]

Oh I’m talking about the fireball super

[grizzled heart]

It can be mixed with like any other approach tool tho

[magic harness]

was it hcbx2 in previous games?

ahh

yeah I'm not talking about that one

[plush delta]

Why would you want to do orb super in a zoning war?

[grizzled heart]

Potentially roll on Wake up? Sparringly tho 100% because a good player will call u out and grab u

[magic harness]

I'm not talking about a zoning war. I'll re-iterate my situation with better phrasing :

[grizzled heart]

Whenever I try and deal w/ crossup heavy characters I do this, roll, this is how I try and deal w/ Luong, Angel

[plush delta]

I understand what you are talking about then. Like what if Terry does buster wolf to punish your fireball? Tbh I’m not sure who would win with Athena orb super versus terry buster wolf

Terry buster wolf might win as it has full invul. Athena orb super doesn’t have invul

[grizzled heart]

Could prolly 5A here right or 2C depending on how fast the c is?

[magic harness]

Imagine you are spamminc C fireballs, the other guy can't respond, but he has a move (super or EX) that goes through fireballs and would punish you. Except you knew it was coming, and you cancel the recovery of your own fireball with a buffered 624x2+PP (let's say you do a lvl2). and boom, you punished his punish attempt. he's mindfucked, you win the game

[magic harness]

Yeah that's about it, I'm not even sure what buster wolf is for terry but i think you get what i mean

[plush delta]

Yep it’s dependent on what the opponent does. Some would win some would lose depending on invul. Athena orb super does not have invul so she would lose to a super that has invul

It’s still a hard read. I guess you can do it on reaction if you buffer but as I said, your reflexes need to be godlike to react to that

[magic harness]

maybe not buster wolf then, but I'm pretty sure Athena lvl orb super comes out super fast, I've definitely seen it eat a iori j.C that was just about to hit a few frames later (like maybe 2-4 frames)

yeah you would need a read and good reactions

but it's possible

that would be so cool

at least it's possible

[plush delta]

If the enemy jumps, you can definitely do it to punish them

[magic harness]

yes absolutely

[plush delta]

Although you can just do a dp too

Which is what many other characters can do

[magic harness]

super more stylish. it mindfucks the opponent ("he did an anti-air super? i can't fuck with this guy")

but i get what you mean lmao

[plush delta]

I do it as a wakeup reversal if I know the enemy is mashing

[grizzled heart]

bro wants to put the fear of god into his opponents 😂

[grizzled heart]

how do u hyper hop cross up reliably ???

[small haven]

Yeah plenty of options

[plush delta]

Do a running hop

Will take practice in lab.

[small haven]

Gotta Practice the spacing against a bot

[small haven]

Also depends on the character too. Por Ejemplo: Leona jump C crosses up on Jumps only. For the longest i was wondering why hop C was whiffing clearly at cross up range.

[magic harness]

@slate mica

[slate mica]

Wonderful! Thank you!!!

One combo I also find to be really effective for her with 1 bar is

• light starter/ heavy starter xx 214BD xx 623BD xx 236k xx 2D
  It's about 440 on a jump-in, and works especially well off a j.D crossup.
  And then you can follow up that with the sweep setup you mention in the set play section.

Not to Shermsplain; I just dun see it mentioned here but made it a part of my gameplan because it's a LOT for 1 bar and her safejumps are so abundant.

[magic harness]

Wow
Never tried that!

Tech is tech
Everyone can learn, even from complete beginners
So always share!

[lament mirage]

Real

[slate mica]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bY_UHKOMoe4

Yeah, give this beauty a look. This was during the Kula meta too, so I especially loved to see this.

[lament mirage]

That crossup was the textbook definition of Dirty

[slate mica]

Like... to do it TWICE even

[lament mirage]

"Run it back"

[slate mica]

ahahah

[magic harness]

Hey guys
What is Kim gameplan?

I am not sure I understand him

[grizzled heart]

rushdown

[plush delta]

Justice

[magic harness]

LMAO
I found his range kinda weird

He needs to be REALLY close for a Cl normal

And...
He is kinda slow?
The timing on his attacks is kinda weird tbh

[spring relic]

Kim is a pressure beast, it’s looking like

His light timing is a bit slow yes

But his normals are good and have good math

[grizzled heart]

https://youtu.be/ql7ulU_5ets

SNK CONFIRMED

EX HANGETSUZAN SAFE ON BLOCK

[magic harness]

Thank you!

[spring relic]

Damn!

SNK continues to step up

[grizzled heart]

This is a really good guide!

[meager portal]

1080p pants flow

[spring relic]

Kim gonna teach y’all to start spending that meter on D

That guide was great

[wet briar]

Best cross up in the game XD

[slate mica]

sup tiago

[rancid marlin]

Damn SNK dropping guides with routes and allat ? Ayo

[grizzled heart]

Dude yeah right!!? This one’s so good

[rancid marlin]

This the first time I seen something like this since I’ve had this game

[grizzled heart]

I can’t remember if they did one for Shingo

[rancid marlin]

If they did I didn’t catch it.. we was making them crit combos work tho

[grizzled heart]

Shingo Expert 👆

[wet briar]

Lou2.0??

[slate mica]

O dat's me

[wet briar]

Your here cool

[grizzled heart]

Question for everyone or some tips for anybody who’s played me recently

recently I’ve been feeling very like floaty in my movement, im definitely schmooving but I was wondering if y’all had any advice on when the right times to go in and mount an offense are. Im finding a disconnect at times for certain characters I have w/ my movement and also mounting an offense and it’s kind of screwing with my hit confirms lately a bunch too, was wondering if anyone had noticed this or could off some advice on how to rectify this other than just going crazy w/ the muscle memory

basically, tell me how to get that Big Dawg Status mindset 😂

[grizzled heart]

I think basically what I’m asking is better strategies to lock an opponent down

[rancid marlin]

Stand your ground, and prevent them from entering your space. They jump? Anti air them, they try to run an offensive play or some shit can counter poke accordingly. It’s like once you shut your opponent down x amount of times they will most likely sit still.. unless they want to just lose all their health. I feel like once you win air with a higher percentage that round, you will have to face them on the ground and at that point you should be able to pick up the pace in offense at times where you may have swatted them from above. But also if you are getting knockdowns and good counterpokes and hits on the ground, then you can kinda do whatever. Just need to watch the jumps and hops.

[meager portal]

"Keep yo foot on they neck"
-Daru (I cant remember when, but bro totally said this)

[small haven]

When someone jumps in space yourself to where their jump in would whiff and you hop/jump in on the landing of their jump

This is kof neutral

Hop in hop out

Hop in hop out

You get out cause you don’t want to hold anything ideally

[slate mica]

All I see are people jumping and none of you would last a second in a fighting game with REAL neutral

-some SF elitist in a KOF replays comment section

[small haven]

Sf so dogshit with its gimmicky ass gameplay

[rancid marlin]

SF4 is fun

[slate mica]

I get the impression 6 might be decent, but 5 made me fall asleep while watching it on EVO stream last year.

[rancid marlin]

I played the beta and I enjoyed it as someone who doesn’t play SF. Downloaded 4 couple days ago first time playing I like it more than 5 idk why

[slate mica]

Because 4 is just better

[rancid marlin]

Maybe because it reminded me of 6 a bit

[slate mica]

That's fair

[slate mica]

Re-watching our matches from yesterday. I do roll a lot. Any tips for how to break the bad habit? It feels like a trigger-impulse defensive maneuver.

[small haven]

Whenever you want to practice something go into a game making a conscious effort to speak about it.
“This game/round i will actually block and play defense instead of rolling out”

[slate mica]

Lock it in, I feel

[small haven]

Then if you still do roll address it “Ohp i rolled i shouldnt be doing that”

[slate mica]

Fair, fair.

[small haven]

By actually acknowledging these bad habits you’ll eventually change them

Step by step

But yeah speaking them out loud helps alot

[slate mica]

And I mean there are some situations where rolling is appropriate. I'm just gettin' punished for it when it ain't. I'll give these a shot tonight if I'm not dead after capoeira

[small haven]

Capoeira??

Cool

[slate mica]

Yee. My Wednesday night date night with the partner involves dance-fighting. Hahaha

[small haven]

But yeah rolling is definitely important, but you’re probably rolling out of the corner after a knockdown