KOF Coaching

[warped pine]

Burn knuckles and CDs hit Chizuru no matter which way she goes... I may point Terry for a while 🤣

[spring relic]

How many times did you think to GC Roll the CD if you knew Burn Knuckle was the follow-up?

Also, to elaborate on @plush delta ‘s point it’s the A version of Burn Knuckle that can be safe if spaced properly. It’s the same with Rock’s A Hard Edge.

His elbows are safe. Like many moves, you beat it by preempting / hitting him out of it rather than blocking. If you block, you lost your turn.

[plush delta]

Light can be made safe but heavy is unsafe if blocked I believe

[spring relic]

I’ll double check, but I actually labbed this not too long ago

[plush delta]

I have punished a blocked (heavy) Andy elbow many times to know it is unsafe

[spring relic]

May have been a character selection issue on my part

[warped pine]

Funny thing is, it was more CDs than burn knuckles being thrown. I had no idea it had that much range. I tried to get distance but misjudged the distance I needed. Once I finally got away far enough from the CD... burn knuckle 😅

I eventually figured it out and got rid of him with King, but I was in too deep of a hole by then

[meager portal]

If Andy whiffs anything, he just explodes🤣🤣

[snow beacon]

Haha if you’re opponent is fast enough. There’s an A elbow whiff that can catch unsuspecting opponents with follow ups. Just 2D to A elbow whiff.

[plush delta]

Can Andy Kara cancel 2D to elbow? If so, that’s a useful tool

Yashiro can Kara cancel his 2D into his overhead elbow attack which is an easy way to catch people blocking his sweep

Kinda cheap tbh

[obtuse dock]

And he can Kara cancel elbow into DP if I'm not mistaken @snow beacon

[snow beacon]

I wish his sweep was whiff cancelable.

[snow beacon]

This is correct though.

[plush delta]

That’s an easy buff for the next patch

[snow beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/scrubs-yes-please-jd-gif-23257941

[meager portal]

What's a Kara cancel?

[torn drift]

A Kara cancel is canceling the startup of a move into another move. This name comes from the Japanese word 空 (kara), which means empty or sky. You are canceling the startup of the first move such that it never comes out (and thus empty).

Why you would want to Kara cancel is because moves that you Kara cancel out of tend to have some forward movement

For example in street fight 3rd strike you can Kara cancel chun lis kick into a throw so you basically get a throw with more range

[plush delta]

Are you using the new FGC dictionary website for this?

[torn drift]

Luong can also do this with her CD it’s a little spin kick that moves her forward which you cancel so you can do geki (he slash kick)

[torn drift]

Dust loop

Why is it not a good source

[plush delta]

No it’s still viable though it’s GG and arc sys centric

[torn drift]

Yeah I figured but from what I understood that definition seems to apply across fgs

@plush delta Kara cancel elbow? They mean his elbow special that moves him forward?

If so that’s sick

[plush delta]

Yeah that’s a good way to catch people trying to punish his stubby 2D.

[torn drift]

Yeah I love luongs as well

Simply because her “mixup” with low geki straight geki and high geki normally sucks

[plush delta]

Btw learning to Kara cancel Vanessa’s 2D into the backward dash is essential for her

[meager portal]

Sometimes I'll condition people with H elbow, then throw out a light elbow and bait a jump-in

[torn drift]

Simply because low and high are very stubby

[torn drift]

3d? Or 2d

[plush delta]

Conditioning opponents is fun and is a big reason why playing human opponents is better than playing the cpu

[torn drift]

2d is sweep 3d is volley ball fist

[plush delta]

2D. 3D shouldn’t be safe. It should be a commitment since it has range

[torn drift]

3d is safe at max distance

So you could do something like

[meager portal]

Conditioning and reads is literally me entire gameplay against people😅

[torn drift]

236v 6a 214b 3d and be safe

[plush delta]

I’m just saying you shouldn’t be able to make 3D always safe since it’s a good tool to catch people. Making it safe will make it broken

[torn drift]

And it’s fun and reads and conditioning is important however focus on playing solid first. Higher level opponents will make it hard to be read or will blow you up

[meager portal]

When I was fighting mac, I got him in a corner and landed 3 Mary command grabs in a row because I baited crouch block from all my whiffed slicers

[torn drift]

Oh you’re not saying you can’t

You’re saying you shouldn’t

[torn drift]

A lot of people here struggle with grab character

That’s why Clark was so “hated”

[meager portal]

I'm trying to move away from it being my primary plan. I'm tryna work on a lotta other stuff too

[torn drift]

But that’s a big commitment just be wary of not getting predictable

[plush delta]

Ouch. With real counter or the hop command grab? You get me with the hop grabs as well

[meager portal]

Hop grab

Ong I can not input real counter

It just kills my thumb

[plush delta]

Yeah hop grab seems to be your thing. Both hop grab and real counter make Mary strong since you can’t just sit and anticipate nor can you mash, so she counters both types of gameplay

[plush delta]

Fight stick will save you

[meager portal]

j.D is also a really solid poke when incorporated into hops

[torn drift]

Lab it

Might not even be a poke

Should be a combo starter

[plush delta]

Mary has incredible hop pressure buttons

[torn drift]

Jumping heavies tend to be all your optimal combo starters

[plush delta]

Mary hop B is super good

[meager portal]

If you land it right, j.D can combo into cl.D or any other combo for that matter

[torn drift]

But her hp b is great for pressure

[torn drift]

Unless you get it on the start of the hop, hop d should land and combo into cl.d

[meager portal]

hp b?

[plush delta]

This is true for every character though.

[torn drift]

Unless you didn’t actually hop

[meager portal]

Yeah, but j.D is less likely to whiff with Mary from what I can tell

[torn drift]

Yeah jump ins you have to time, however if you do a proper hop in it will combo

[torn drift]

J.b can cross up

[meager portal]

Ooh didn't know that

[torn drift]

And the reason j.b’s almost across the board are better is because lights win in air to air situations

[plush delta]

Yeah her jump buttons are good

[torn drift]

If you jump d at me I can neutral jump with a light button

So you jumping b will beat air to air, potentially cross up and also get your combos started

[meager portal]

I'm so not used to jumping in 2d fighters bc jumping in sf could mean death if you didn't connect

[torn drift]

However j.d will net you the most damages and they tend to have bigger hitboxes

[meager portal]

And I've been conditioned with the "don't jump you'll die" mindset

[plush delta]

You need to learn to hop. It’s way harder to punish

[meager portal]

Hops are gonna be my main focus this week

I've worked on em here and there, but nothing super intensive

[plush delta]

Like you saw how I was pressuring you. I need you to be that and more cause I know you have it in you

[meager portal]

I can have good pressure game. I pressured fake may Lee fan with Andy pretty good with some Andy cross ups and such, it's just that when I get pressured, my block game is not there

Against people who don't block though, my Mary messes them up good with pressure, I just need to use a lot safer of moves like I need to stop using bm heavy slicer and such.

[grizzled heart]

Rare howl looked the definition of something up on the internet moment

Yeah idk if you can cancel Vanessa 3D

[torn drift]

I’m not sure if cancels but players do it

[grizzled heart]

I gotta check

[sinful herald]

It’s not? Many (most characters) can

[sinful herald]

Optimal for damage but jumping lights can hit way way higher and still be plus enough to combo after

[meager portal]

so currently labbing my Mary, and i got a 822 dmg. combo off of 4 bars, but im greedy and want more. Is there anyone I should check out for that kind of stuff??

I'm asking bc this fightstick makes Mary inputs so much easier so now those big damage combos are actually accessible to me now. I just need to know where to look.

[torpid quarry]

YouTube

I would like to know what combo got you doing 822 dmg with Mary

The most I’m getting is 805

[torn drift]

Are you starting off a jump heavy

[torpid quarry]

Yup

[torn drift]

What’s the combo

If you don’t mind sending the notation

[torpid quarry]

I was gunna send it but now I’m too lazy but now after experimenting I got 837 but it’s definitely not a viable combo

I send vid tomorrow with notations

[rancid marlin]

@torpid quarry do you use stick too?

[torpid quarry]

Nah I’m not a cheater

[torn drift]

Yeah @meager portal if you’re reaching 802-840 with 4 bars you’re chilling lol it’s gonna get pretty hard to upscale from there

Focus on consistently landing 60-80 with anchors and you’re fine most matches are gonna be your first hit leads to big combos

You’ll do a little before and maybe kill off 70-80 or you leave your opponent with 30-20 which is scary for them

[torpid quarry]

BM don’t got those big damaging combos like Terry or rock even krohnen has

You know who does do a fuck ton of damage for no reason chizuru💀

Like tf is this bs

She gon her nerfed for sure

[meager portal]

Its not optimal by any means

Gotta be the most situational combo ever

Its an anchor maxmode combo that cancels into level 2 super and then into climax

Like, only way I land it live is if the opponent is afk or smth, so I just need to work on smaller meter combos but I can get a decent chunk for 1 bar

[spring relic]

?

What’s the starting button?

[meager portal]

2C

Well, max mode would be first because of the tight window

[spring relic]

Oh…yeah, you better know your math if you’re gonna try and land that as the opener

[meager portal]

It would be good to land if they were stunned, but if they're stunned, they don't need to eat a 822 damage combo

Cuz they'd be nearly dead already

[spring relic]

When in doubt…

Punish the DP

[plush delta]

Mary can go into max mode after a corner ex slicer and stun gun. It’s her trial 5. Though Mary can’t do lvl 1-lvl2- climax as her command grab super is not cancellable

[spring relic]

Fun Fact: Shermie is another one who has this weird exception to her super cancels.

[meager portal]

There is technically a way to combo the command grab super, by canceling off a slider with no follow-up, but its so much less damage than if you would so some ex move shenanigans

Rip rising typhoon💀💀💀

[plush delta]

Shermie can do lvl1-lvl2-climax by doing kick super into lvl 2 command grab super into climax unless that’s what you mean by exception

All other grapplers can’t due to their command grab supers not being cancellable - Clark, Ramon, dinosaur. O yashiro can’t either even though his command grab super is climax cancellable but I believe his other super is not cancellable

[spring relic]

It’s been a long time since I’ve touched Shermie, but I know she has a Level 1 to Level 2 that doesn’t work.

[lament mirage]

Shermie my goddess

[lament mirage]

Lvl 1 Air Super doesn't connect with the Grab super

[torpid quarry]

Oh that combo

[plush delta]

Trial 5 combo

@meager portal here’s some Mary crossup tech you can practice https://vxtwitter.com/amedo310/status/1610503437283741697?s=21

Looks so dirty

https://vxtwitter.com/amedo310/status/1610503440546889729?s=21

[torpid quarry]

Idk what you’re talking about I don’t do trial combos💀

Is it the one you cancel 3D from?

Into qm

Because that one I hit before in a real match agains omf,howl, cherry, Mac

Or is it the blue max mode one

After ex taser

[plush delta]

You can Blue max mode after ex slicer into taser in corner

The trial has you doing dp into super into climax but I wonder if there are more optimal damage routes after the max mode. I bet there is

Trial 5 combo is (corner)

2C 4A 46BD 236A/C MM 623A/C - lvl1 ranbu super - climax

[torpid quarry]

Honestly fuck that combo

I did it yesterday night

[plush delta]

Yep there’s easier more practical routes that do more damage

[torpid quarry]

Yeah I needa stop dropping her combos cost me way too much winnable matches against mac

I think imma practice at 2 frames for online like dbfz

Because I think that’s my problem

[plush delta]

Or pick a character with easier combos so you drop less 😉

But you’re pretty OD with Mary

Or don’t do combos like me lol

[torpid quarry]

You can do this without the double ex slicer

[torpid quarry]

Who you recommend imma swap out isla I’m never dropping BM

[torpid quarry]

Idk man I kinda be struggling

[plush delta]

Why did you drop Luong? You’re great with her and her combos are simple

[torpid quarry]

I didn’t I was putting in mad work with her against Mac almost Ocv’d him with her only to just choke and lose😪

[plush delta]

So sounds like you already have a team with BM/Luong then chizuru/yuri/Isla/yashiro/Iori

Yashiro prolly has the easiest combos of the 5 alternates

[torpid quarry]

Fuck yashiro the days of him being a crackhead are over

@runic rain how do I stagger properly

Or if anyone else knows

Am I suppose to do 2a, 2a dash 2a, 2a or something?

[sinful herald]

Like stagger pressure?

[torpid quarry]

Sii

How I do that

Reliably

[sinful herald]

Good question. Best I’ve been able to come up with is set the dummy to do 4F reversals like DP, 2A, 2B etc and random guard. Start with guard all so you can figure out what what string you want to do and then go live with random guard

You’ll also get practice in ending block strings with a safe move

[spring relic]

Stagger pressure is about conditioning

[torpid quarry]

Yeah I started assuming that idk why I was thinking it’s a definite thing

[meager portal]

Yo is there an input shortcut to canceling dp into 2363214 or dp into 2141236? I try to do the full motion, but I'm too slow

[torn drift]

Yes

Dp into half circle back should work

For example dp into qcf qcf you can just dp, qcf

[torpid quarry]

DP, 214 then whatever button

[torpid quarry]

You’re confusing him

He’s asking the super shortcut

From dp

[torn drift]

Yeah

[torpid quarry]

Mfer said dp into half circle😂

[torn drift]

Right

That’s the input

[torpid quarry]

Lmao that’s some yuri shit

[torn drift]

Ah

I get what you’re saying

[torpid quarry]

Si

Those long cuts funny asf thou

[plush delta]

@meager portal here’s straight from terry dreamcancel page

[plush delta]

He is asking for 2 different things. You both are confusing him

Basically you are inputting the dp as a long cut

Instead of 623 you are doing hcbf or 632146. This input allows you to cover the 214 part of the inputs for the 214236 super so that you only need to do the 236 part

[plush delta]

This input will cover dp into qcfhcb supers though

[torn drift]

Gotcha

[plush delta]

Which is not a Terry thing but works for Andy

[plush delta]

I reworded my response above cause I realized what you mentioned does cover one of the things he is asking

[torn drift]

Yeah I thought so but I’m always open to the possibility that I’m wrong lol

[torpid quarry]

I’m never wrong

[plush delta]

@meager portal basically for dp into qcfhcb do 623 then hcb. For dp into qcbhcf do hcbf then qcf

[torpid quarry]

Damn me and howl highkey trash at explaining

[meager portal]

Nah, I made it confusing by asking for 2 different inputs. One of em is so I can rising tackle into power geyser, with terry, and the other is so i can do vertical arrow into splash rose with bm. Both are situational, but still helpful to know.

[torpid quarry]

For blue Mary vertical arrow into super you just do vertical arrow into QCB LP or HP

that’s about it

However you can only cancel from her dp if they’re not too high from the ground

But you can also kill yourself if they safe jump baiting it out

[plush delta]

Yep that’s just 623 into hcb as I said above

That’s easier than the long cut for the other direction

[torpid quarry]

Yeah I get you that’s for the long cut but the shortcut for it is just 623, qcb

And you get it

HCB might be hard for sum

[plush delta]

Yes long cut is for when you want to do the qcbhcf super. What you are saying is for the qcfhcb super

[plush delta]

You can’t do this if he’s canceling into a qcbhcf super from a dp. You have to do the longcut

I think you might be confused as well

[torpid quarry]

Im talking about blue Mary though specifically which for what he’s asking for it’s her dp into qcb to cancel her dp into her shuper which I do

We confusing each other

Meex

That’s it Oliver ft10

[plush delta]

Yes that works. I’m agreeing with you for the BM combo

[torpid quarry]

Yeah my fault we were talking about two different characters

[plush delta]

Words are hard tbh

And I’m dumb a lot of times

[torpid quarry]

They are bro ong

[torpid quarry]

*We

[spring relic]

KOF DP Longcut = Standard GG OD input

[spring relic]

“Situational” being “when I have meter and hit my opponent.”

[terse oyster]

Hey Cherry and Oliver, I was wondering if you had any advice on how I play Uncle Anto and Cousin Kukri

[runic rain]

I can!

[terse oyster]

What’s you’re impression?

[plush delta]

Cherry can teach you Kukri and @snow beacon can teach you Antonov. Unfortunately I don’t play both. I know Antonov has a tod combo that you need to learn and Kukri has tons of knowledge checks that you can fool opponents with since both are unfamiliar foes

I do think your Kukri is really strong though. Antonov I’m not sure since he’s one of the few characters I am not really familiar with

[runic rain]

Kukri has pretty safe specials 95% of this specials are safe on block tbf. It's because it's mostly projectiles. Kukri can connect his command normal which is 6A after CL.D/C, 2A/B. His Far D is quite special because it's a Mimi slide that can be special canceled. I mainly use it for whiff punishment since his normals are lack luster besides 5B

Kukri is a Defense/Mix Oriented OKIZEME Character. Very strong zoning to control space and teleports that has it's own hurtbox going down which can tag the opponent. His general game plan is too assault the opp with his zoning tools to keep them at bay but can easily be very aggressive. He's quite versatile in that sense.

Specials: [236B] is his forward sand projectile that goes 3/4 of the screen and is a tad slow but better to use while close with the opponent hence the block stun. [236D] is his Fullscreen projectile that's mainly used in midscreen combos. It comes out slightly faster. [214A] close pillar I use it to push my opponent back after blockstun but you need to be aware of it's range because you can get killed for it his close pillar and far pillar both stop projectiles. [214a] EX is one of his better pillars it's a launcher if you're fast enough to confirm.

[214b] is his OH that's unsafe when done close but has good recovery. Mainly used after a jump in to mix your opponent up since he lacks real 50/50 potential. [214d] is his very slow start up but + OH when blocked. When either one of those OH tags the opponent you can OKI with close sand pillar.
[236b] is his short but fast glide kick among that it's safe giving you a free back dash on block, this move also leaves your opponent standing which puts you in a neutral position. [236d] glide kick knocks down on hit and isn't recommend AT ALL it's very unsafe and should only be done in combos.
[22A] is his clone teleport that brings you closer to the opponent but it goes a very short distance while [22C] actually brings you very close to the opp (1/2)

[meager portal]

@torpid quarry yo what are some low meter bm bnbs I should know?

[torpid quarry]

2b,2a 4B ex slicer,3D D slicer

[runic rain]

(2/2) [22B] brings takes you away and D is just a further distance. Now the fun thing about Kuk is his ex sand mixups [22A] EX pushes the clones towards the opponent as for [22B]EX goes immediately behind them for a quick mix to disorient them.

Anti airs: He has very subpar buttons his best anti air's are his 5A and J.B

Kukri has no defensive options given that he's a safe mixing zoner but you can use EX teleport to escape and punish your opponents oki but it's very risky to do still. J.CD is one of the best in the game. Given that he shrinks his hitbox and the hurtbox is rather huge.

Supers: 236a(x2) is a massive sand avalanche that comes down on the opponent and gives Kukri solid OKI afterwards and is also plus on block so keep attacking after! His C version is the same but this one actually tracks the opponent from where their last standing was. The tracking is a few frames off but it still follows the opponent. 236b/d is his torpedo. Also used for combo enders. @terse oyster I can give the entire Anto intro tomorrow dear I'm all tuckered out from typing.

[runic rain]

My dude you better give him the real shit 🤣

Tell him the sauce xD

[torpid quarry]

I am

@meager portal anything off of 4B, 4,6 B+D,3D 4,6 D, 236 D

Then anything off of 6A 236 A+C, 3D, 4,6 B, 236 A

That’s as meterless it’s gonna get @meager portal

[meager portal]

Yeah, Mary's got a lot of ex shenanigans

[spring relic]

[rancid marlin]

LOL who made this!!

[runic rain]

Not really shenanigans. She just has two solid EX combo starters and that ex air grab which is useless to burn a bar for 🤣

[spring relic]

You’re neglecting the power of the corner stealing, side-switching EX Real Backdrop

[runic rain]

SHHHH

[runic rain]

Don't give MF's shit for free

[meager portal]

I can never land the follow up after real counter, which is really easy, but I never think to do it in battle

[runic rain]

They gotta learn to lab and find that we old heads spent centuries finding this shit

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stupid-younger-generation-young-old-pissed-gif-5068746

[meager portal]

Omw to to steal character tech

That I can't even use yet😂

[plush delta]

Cherry gatekeeping smh

[plush delta]

Just think of the 2 inputs as part of one move so you’ll always do it

[runic rain]

Oliver STFU 🤣🤣 You know I troll :3 I'll always come through if people want the tech xD

[lament mirage]

Shermie command grab is this for me

[plush delta]

You did came through for heves for the kukri tech

[runic rain]

I'm not done with Anto either lmao

I can breakdown every character if asked and need me :p KOF is just a system based game. You know one u know a good majority with minor changes

[torn drift]

As always

[runic rain]

I'll be happy to give your petty ass advice 🤣

[torn drift]

You merely adopted the petty I was born in oit!

[meager portal]

What's an optimal qm combo for bm? I've been doing a 3 bar qm for about 643 damage, but I was wondering if there's a more optimal one out there I should be doing?

[plush delta]

643 is very very good. What’s important is that you want one that’s practical and something you can easily do so you don’t drop it instead of something super complex

If there’s something better than 643 for 3 bars, it won’t be by much

[meager portal]

Yeah, I just randomly figured this one out, I didn't look anything up I was like "wait, what if..." And it works

If anything, it's easier then my terry qm

I'm in lab rn trying to land it 3 times in a row on both sides just so I get familiar with the inputs.

[plush delta]

I want to see you go for it next time we play a match together! Also sometimes the hardest part is getting the hit confirm and remembering to do the QM

[meager portal]

Nah, it's a way easier hit confirm this time, it's just the last 2 hits that get me cuz I suck at doing half circles

Hense why I'm in le lab

This qm can also cross up too so thats pretty helpful

[spring relic]

Note to self: don’t run quite as much.

Remember: can’t block until 14F in.

[torn drift]

@prime ferry seems like we can both learn from each other

My mai is very linear with almost no air movement lol

[prime ferry]

Let’s find out

[meager portal]

Yo, anyone know if it's possible to do a followup after ex dp for Andy? I can cancel heavy dp into climax super, but seemingly nothing off of the ex dp

[spring relic]

EX DP for Andy is an ender

FYI: you can’t super cancel EX moves. An EX move will give you a ground bounce, crumple, or multi-hit property if it can be combo’d after.

[snow beacon]

As an Andy main, I don’t really use EX DP unless I just need that extra damage for the kill. I like to cancel heavy DP into super fireball (or super flying kick for corner carry + mix up). For reads or desperate wake up situations, I wake up heavy DP ~ super.

[meager portal]

Ah

[prime ferry]

What are some common Yashiro frame traps?

[spring relic]

All the buttons haha

[runic rain]

5/2A, 2C6B, 41236A Lariat 236A

[runic rain]

Just to name a few just go lab

It's a lot easier 🤣

[torn drift]

@plush delta did you catch yesterday ft10

[plush delta]

Dreamcancel will show which normals and specials are plus on block. He has a bunch of them

[plush delta]

No I haven’t watched it yet. I did see you won

[torn drift]

Eh that’s the least of importance smoke did great

No worries if you ever get a chance feel free to comment if not that’s ok too lol life be irling

But kuku gave me an amazing drill

It got me hoping in matches with mai almost immediately lol

[plush delta]

What’s the hop drill?

Hopping should be easy on cheatbox

[torn drift]

Yeah I can hop pretty effortless in lab

Not in matches

[torn drift]

It’s amazing great practice and helps you learn her cross ups

[obtuse dock]

https://tenor.com/view/im-watching-stalking-lurking-watching-peek-gif-7914122

[plush delta]

Looks toxic

[torn drift]

I’m starting to think you guys just hate mai

[grizzled heart]

Preparing to roll out chariots for the Mai Hate Army when S2 rolls out

[torn drift]

It’s ok

I like the hate

[plush delta]

Also kuku is either a genius or has way more KoF experience to be knowing all of these for only playing for 2 weeks

[torn drift]

He says he picked it all up from only playing in ft10 servers constantly going 10-0

I believe it

Like he lost 10-0 lol

[plush delta]

I think they mentioned having experience in 98 and 02

[runic rain]

They do have KOF experience but haven't played any of the recent games

Finally picked up 15

[plush delta]

That makes more sense

They seem to have a lot of the general knowledge down already

Most people who are really new are more similar to fizz

[runic rain]

Yeah once you understand one game it's just easy and learning new meta on the next haha oh yeah definitely

[torn drift]

Yeah idk I just know KuKu is the man, I hope to learn all I can

[plush delta]

I’m worse than fizz was when I started

[torn drift]

I was horrendous lol

[obtuse dock]

||you still are||

[runic rain]

You were also a Angel main 🤣

Ofc you gonna be WAY WORSE off lmao

[torn drift]

Fax

[torn drift]

Am,

Always will be

No ángel no howl

[obtuse dock]

Bro is committed

In all seriousness howl, if a KOF XVI drops without Angel, would you play it?

[torn drift]

I genuinely don’t think I would play kof 16 or at least play in any real sense if ángel doesn’t return

Lol same brain cell

[obtuse dock]

Dude

[plush delta]

Jack, I hope you beat howl’s main team in a ft1, then forever dip him

[obtuse dock]

Change it to ft10 and yeah, that's the idea

[torn drift]

That’s the Oli Tech lol. This man told me “I’m retiring so you can never beat my main team”

[obtuse dock]

Beat him and never play him again

[torn drift]

Then he came back

[plush delta]

Yeah I should have just dipped

[torn drift]

You came back and started being disgusted at my team lol

[plush delta]

Howl kept pinging me for ft5 until he finally beat me. Now he moved on to bigger fish

[torn drift]

Not true!

I always want to play you

You either send me away or in a room with 18 newbies

[plush delta]

I’ll play you again when I feel ready

[torn drift]

Is mai the issue?

[obtuse dock]

Howl did improve a lot

But I still have the sensation that I can beat him

Close matches but yeah, that's why I like playing with him

[plush delta]

I don’t really know. The last set you beat me, I was super rusty after a month long break

[obtuse dock]

Unless he uses kula🤮🤮🤮

[torn drift]

The new hopping is helping soooo much

Now I can rehop with Vanessa into a j.a or just j.c get her going

[torn drift]

I told you that was the issue

[plush delta]

Your mai definitely is better so you’re likely to beat me even after derusted

[prime ferry]

Nah I got recommended this drill by a fellow Mai player

Doesn’t mean I started to do it

[torn drift]

We’ll have to see

[plush delta]

Your mai swept Meiten and Clark in that one match in the ft1 then you dipped to play sonic before I could rematch you

[torn drift]

[torn drift]

That was in a room right?

Not a ft5

[plush delta]

Yep

Ft1

[torn drift]

Ah

[plush delta]

Hit me with the crossup into the lvl 2 super for 700 damage

[torn drift]

Sometimes I feel bad about beating the new players none stop I wanted to step back and let them play it out. They seem to learn more from each other than me

[plush delta]

I felt you went to the room with the sole purpose of wanting to beat me

[prime ferry]

Nah I only played some 98 but super casually on Fightcade, got destroyed every time

Rn I play KOF on my old DS on a bus too lol

When 15 came out though I’ve been watching YouTube content for it

[plush delta]

Anyways, I don’t want to do a full set until I figure some things out in neutral for my characters

[plush delta]

KoF is on DS?

[torn drift]

Did I say that? I don’t remember I’m sorry

[plush delta]

Nah it’s all good. It only felt that way to me cause you left after you beat me lol

[torn drift]

Oh no I’m sorry it was because the whole room cycled lol

You know I don’t care about ft1s. I wanted a full set but didn’t want to pull you away from the room my bad

[plush delta]

It’s all good. It’s part of how things work and are in FGs

[torn drift]

Yeah I’m focusing on longer sets now, I did one with mac and smoke now I need you bubs and Daru

[prime ferry]

No DS KOF but I play the GBA version on it https://youtu.be/iOrNeY45vys

[plush delta]

Well all of them are better than me. But also just because you beat mac and smoke doesn’t mean you should be done with them

Also you forgot Tripp

I think he’s just as good as everyone you listed

[torn drift]

No not at all lol. I’m just trying to play everyone constantly I just figure swapping between them would be better

[plush delta]

And you need to play the ft10 server

[torn drift]

You’re right he’s finally getting serious now

I think you’re making the lobby mad sweaty oli lol

[plush delta]

You can also do ft5 instead of ft10. Ft10 can be draining. Mentally hard too if you’re down big

You can always do 2 ft5s

I prefer ft5 to ft10 as you know

[plush delta]

I’m just making them work as hard as you

[torn drift]

They’re gonna beat my ass

[plush delta]

Don’t forget about eljay too

[runic rain]

Stfu! Your Angel is doing good. Stop selling yourself short. It annoys the hell out of me

[torn drift]

Me and eljay contractually can’t play

He needs to be on 2-6 am

I can’t operate on him time lol

[torn drift]

She weak sauce atm

@plush delta you think this is cheap

Angel 66c in the corner if you rn side switch you actually don’t get it she stays on corner

However if you jump a they need to block reversed

So basically you get out switched from p1 side to p2 but have to keep blocking 1 or get full comboed

[plush delta]

Sounds cheap

Which means you should use it

[torn drift]

🤣

But I’d get hate for it

But I like hate

It’s a predicament

[plush delta]

You’re already hated

[torn drift]

If I was good

[torn drift]

By who?

[torpid quarry]

Me

Aight I’ll stop lying

IT’s everyone here

[torn drift]

[sinful herald]

You forgot the most important part which is to DP again if the DP > super got blocked 😹😹😹

[sinful herald]

A lot of characters have these types of setups tho. Kyo and Beni are super obvious but if you ever wondered how daru gets crossup so often that’s how

[sinful herald]

Me too. He was running away with it and I finally pulled my head out of my ass just ran out of games lol

[obtuse dock]

I have the sensation that I can beat you too smoke, coming for you too

[sinful herald]

This. Especially if he wins and then asks for feedback. I need the screenshots of that one lol

[sinful herald]

Oh yeah no doubt. A single FT3 is no measurement of anything

[plush delta]

Yeah being able to crossup hop is incredibly oppressive in this game and will guarantee you wins against any intermediate players and below

Hops are the one thing I dislike about KoF as it’s an execution barrier that separates out the haves and have nots

[plush delta]

They are very hard to defend against especially if the hops are mixed in with empty hop lows. And if I try to 2A them, I still get hit

How to win in KoF. Step 1: Learn hops. Step 2: pick Kula and Yashiro who has the most oppressive hop offense

[sinful herald]

Yeah. You and I both need to incorporate holding back and pressing C. I know it’s a huge muscle memory conflict because pressing will get you killed in SF but it forces them to land outside of cl.C range/they can’t autopilot pressure. And if they land outside of that range you can just block low

Again I’m not saying I’m a pro at it but that’s the answer

I tagged daru a fair number of times last night because he just does it and lands right on top of you

Force him to space it and the mix is a little less scary, it’s still scary tho

[plush delta]

Tbh I think it’s a cheap tactic and I’ll say it now, it carries the people who have learned how to do it

Cause that’s 80-90% of the offense of a lot of low level champion playersI

It’s basically a skip neutral move

Granted it’s an execution skill that’s not easy. But once you learn to hop and hit confirm your hops into the big combos. That’s all the offense you need

[spring relic]

Absolute lies

My hop-ins get blocked 95%+ of the time haha

[snow beacon]

You’re damn right. The hardest of reads there lol. It’s my way of punishing a failed punish lol.

[torpid quarry]

Omf lying! I underestimate him and next thing I know I’m on my anchor

Because I try to hit him out of his hops99%💀

I get smoked

[spring relic]

Imagine what it’d be like if 2 out of 3 characters on my team had air normals that were worth a damn

[meager portal]

Yo, I've been experimenting in the lab and I've worked out an andy qm that deals upward of 650+ damage for only 3 bars, but its still in the testing phase. Is there a more optimal damage one I need to be doing?

[torn drift]

@plush delta any specific advice from the set

Besides not switch I know that’s a bad habit

[plush delta]

Not switch

😉

[torn drift]

Not actual notes though lol

[plush delta]

To expand, you didn’t really learn from switching

Okay actual other things I noted

You seem to be susceptible to shatter strikes which bubbles uses a lot

Perhaps you can learn to use shatterstrike

Also be able to 100% super cancel off the mai fire butt thing

[torn drift]

I was actually pretty consistent with it

Don’t know what happened

Maybe abusing the frametrap regressed my small muscle memory lol

Now I’m more used to not following up Ig

[plush delta]

An early game you should have won but you dropped the confirm

Also putting mai at point allows you to abuse her frametrap since they can’t GC roll or shatterstrike or even ex dp as much

[torn drift]

Yeah

But she’s also the only anchor I truly like

Having those end game situations where ángel just doesn’t kill it’s kinda disheartening

Where I dump 5 bars and they’re left with 10 where mai mai have killed with only 4

[plush delta]

Yeah mai is a better anchor and angel is a better point

[torn drift]

Agreed

[plush delta]

So switching allowed you to win but you didn’t learn the angel vs Ralf matchup which you were losing

[torn drift]

Maybe I need to put some mai on angel

[lament mirage]

@plush delta when Athena/Meit do fireball into 2C/2D, how would one get around it?

[plush delta]

?? What do you mean by fireball into 2C/2D? Do you mean the opposite? Otherwise you can just block low if they’re trying to sweep you after you try to block a fireball. 2C isn’t even a low, so you can just block

[lament mirage]

That's why I said get around

You and Daru have a tendency to loop those two back into themselves

[lament mirage]

When you guys do that repeatedly on block

Fireball into a move over and over repeatedly

I think it's Athena's 2C i just know it's long as hell

[plush delta]

Okay, don’t stand around waiting to block the fireball then. Control space. Be proactive against it

[lament mirage]

Yeah when I try poking out I get hit, gcing doesn't quite work either

I mean when you are already in that scenario, say I moved into the corner or smth and the opponent is doing that

[plush delta]

I mean you can just block it

[lament mirage]

But any way around it?

I'm asking cuz I can't quite get the replay I'm recording to do it the way you guys do

[plush delta]

There’s plenty of way around it, hop, jump, do an invulnerable dp, do that Shermie axle kick, fireball back, etc. depends on what the opponent does

[rancid marlin]

2C Then psycho ball

[lament mirage]

Just I always seem to get hit with I try doing any of those things

But ig I'll just try it again if I find myself in that situation

[spring relic]

Except it totally does

GC roll the 2C and punish the Psycho Ball

[meager portal]

Is Joe a zoner or a shoto? I hear he's a zoner cuz his fireball is hella good, but at the same time, I notice other shoto similarities from him.

[raven ridge]

He's more offense driven because his fireball is really good. But it's not meant to be a zone, more so a pressure tool and you revolve your gameplay around that (whether it's rushdown driven or defensive)

[spring relic]

^ even for zoners, in KOF fireballs are a means to an end rather than a primary playstyle

You can throw them all day if you want

But you’re gonna have to hit me with about 20, whereas I will have to be right only once out of those 20.

[plush delta]

Zoner with shoto tools

[lament mirage]

Then idk what the hell I'm doing wrong aside from being too slow

[spring relic]

Just labbed and verified

[lament mirage]

I'm not doubting you

I'm just remarking at my lack of proficiency

[spring relic]

It’s another aspect that makes KOF fast and why it’s good to know your math, cause a lot of punish windows are tight which is why they go unchecked

A good example is Blue Mary’s taser on the EX Slicer

It is punishable, but you got a small window and better be ready otherwise it may as well be safe on block

[prime ferry]

Diaphone explains it https://youtu.be/BTqFv7j_Npk?t=265

How to do this string and what can be done against it

Also what Athena can do to counter your counter to it

You can for example jump or roll after a blocked 2C

Guard cancel roll, DP the gap

[spring relic]

All true, but this is a classic KOF “read VS react” situation

[lament mirage]

@raven ridge please please please can I have a crumb of knowledge on dealing with Rock

Not playing him, but like are there ever any scenarios where you're like "I can't use Rock for this"

@runic rain you taught Mac right?

Please

For the love of WAH

I need some Anti Rock tips

[rancid marlin]

Bro that man Rock is all purpose lol. What you struggle with against him?

[lament mirage]

His buttons, it feels

I can never contest him in the air

Even if I'm the aggresor

Like I'll be in the air already and this mf j.b/D (idk the specific button) and knocks me out

For one example

The other is is 5C but that's just hdhsidvei

His 3B hits better than Beni's sometimes

2b*

Like in general, his buttons go crazy

And trying to move around it and shimmy is a problem

But that's cuz my footwork is weak

And he smackeths me

[rancid marlin]

Block. Jump in moderation.

[lament mirage]

Look at the match, maybe it can give you better insight to my woes

[rancid marlin]

Beni jump D.

[lament mirage]

Nope

I git smacked outta it

Trust me, I tried a few times

[raven ridge]

One sec

[lament mirage]

Unless I'm thinking of another match

[raven ridge]

I can when I have time, but his jB is very good with great priority

[lament mirage]

Issdumb

So much woe

[rancid marlin]

I mean he top tier for a reason

[lament mirage]

Ugh

Pain

[raven ridge]

So moderation like Daru said or you have an even more cranked button/priority button

[torn drift]

Yeah rock plays very solid he benefits incredibly by hopping just play solid defense and you’re defending rock

[rancid marlin]

Iori has OD ass jump B too. Jenet as well.

[lament mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/such-a-pain-fullmetal-alchemist-fma-sloth-fma-sloth-death-gif-17966804

[runic rain]

I was kidding when I said I taught Mac Rock but Rock is a all rounder and a force to be reckoned with

[torn drift]

He’s not very gimmicky

You taught.

That was the joke

[raven ridge]

^ he's pretty honest, Cien. You either respect the rock player or you don't but it works both ways. Reading the opponent and their habits can help with what you wanna do to interrupt a string or prevent them from doing what they want

[runic rain]

Rock and Yash calls players out for not having strong neutral, you have to keep on your toes and do your best to win the ground game

[raven ridge]

^

[torn drift]

Any “gimmicks” he has like the running overhead special has a lot of startup and most rock players won’t use it too much and if they do it becomes easy to punish but yeah hits stop his hops and work on your own rock plays kof just play golf kof

His hops are amazing and he has good lows

[rancid marlin]

When did you fight Rock on the stream?

[lament mirage]

@raven ridge next time we fight, mind putting Rock on point so I can try learning through exp?

[runic rain]

He confirms off of everything too

[lament mirage]

I'm looking for it now

[runic rain]

It was me

[raven ridge]

I can go more in depth when I have a moment. I'll ping you @lament mirage

[torn drift]

Yeah like mai but mai has infinitely more gimmicks

[runic rain]

Around 12:00

[rancid marlin]

King has good ass air buttons and Shermie too.

[lament mirage]

https://www.twitch.tv/cien_tekiou/v/1705141026?sr=a&t=8146s

[lament mirage]

I stamped it at the beginning of the rock matches

[torn drift]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-button-keyboard-press-the-ban-button-gif-16387934

[obtuse dock]

@torn drift k that was the last one for today

[lament mirage]

2:15:48

Imma be busy so ping me when yall done

I'll try to read it as soon as I can

Also of I sound upset, that's just game salt

I still had a kick ass time with Cherry and I hope she had a good time as well

[lament mirage]

Ballin

[runic rain]

I was having a good time haha. I'm glad it wasn't a serious set 🤣

[rancid marlin]

Well Beni you missed some punishes, Rock DP you could’ve killed tbh. And you overextending with Beni, he got them stubby ass normals, ofc Rock can run all over you.

[runic rain]

My Rock wasn't even good. I was just Rock shit 🤣 as all Rock mains do. Just do shit

[rancid marlin]

Yeah pretty much. And damn I did not expect Shermie just to just die like that. That Rock Far C omg

[lament mirage]

Exactly

[lament mirage]

Mind pointing me out these punish opportunities?

[rancid marlin]

You don’t have to respect the repukken blockstring

[lament mirage]

Noted

[rancid marlin]

Next time you can go to training and practice rolling or DP or whatever for your characters

[torn drift]

Roll it right?

[rancid marlin]

Yeah kinda like Terry

[torn drift]

I always put too much respekt on macs name

His terry too

[rancid marlin]

Me too. But I do it too so yeah

[torn drift]

I gotta stop respecting y’all fr fr

[runic rain]

Y'all are just scared of Rock 💀

[rancid marlin]

I like Rock tbh

[runic rain]

Mac isn't the best at playing on the ground

[rancid marlin]

Cien you fighting a high tier main character he gonna do what he want

[runic rain]

If you win the footsie war you won over Mac

[torn drift]

But he’s one of the best hoppers

[runic rain]

Start hop checking

Simple

Rock doesn't have IMMEDIATE frame jumps

You can check him safely without getting too much damage

[torn drift]

Also mac adapts very well

[runic rain]

He does?

Idk about that one chief

[torn drift]

Yes

[runic rain]

To you maybe

[torn drift]

Once you beat him air to air he has a very solid ground game

[runic rain]

Yeah too you 💀

[torn drift]

Idk man I fight everyone and mac is super solid

[runic rain]

You can beat Mac on the ground

You really have to slow down and try

@raven ridge yo sweetie you actually playing neutral now? And you didn't tell me 💀

I wanted to see ya ground game

[rancid marlin]

Bro @raven ridge got Geese now too I’m tryna see that

[runic rain]

Idk about that one

[rancid marlin]

Damn

[runic rain]

Geese......

Mac

He's gonna get tired and jump back on Joe

[rancid marlin]

Geese more fun than Joe

[runic rain]

Your just boring

You don't know what's fun

[rancid marlin]

Joe throw 59 hunnid tornado kick somebody full screen no thanks

Geese flip yo ass over Raging Storm

He way better

[torn drift]

Mac adapts really fast

Faster than bubs

[runic rain]

Yeah too your playstyle @torn drift

[torn drift]

No

[runic rain]

Mac has issues adapting to me

[torn drift]

Because you play like a crackhead

He adapts to me

Daru

Bubs

[runic rain]

I play like a crackhead?

HOW 🤣

[lament mirage]

Cherry

You are cocaine incarcerated

[runic rain]

How though

💀

[lament mirage]

You never sit still for one

[runic rain]

What do I do that makes y'all say that

[torn drift]

From what I’ve seen

Mac Daru bubs top 3

And the difference between us and them is wild

[meager portal]

Bruh what am I reading🤣🤣

[lament mirage]

Dyl how long you played fighting games in general?

[torn drift]

Me smoke and trip can take sets off them but they’re still better

[meager portal]

Casually since about 7 years ago and competitively since about 2 years ago

[lament mirage]

Then you have to see it to see what I mean

Check it out next time you see Cherry playing

[runic rain]

BRUH

[meager portal]

I saw her play dino once and...

💀

[runic rain]

My Dino is cracked

[grizzled heart]

Cherry Dino OD

[meager portal]

It was good, but I just didn't understand what was happening

[lament mirage]

Your Dino is is a punk

[meager portal]

So many things at once

[rancid marlin]

I saw that last Rock battle it look like you gave up came Shermie

[lament mirage]

Get caught by my Shermie mux

[meager portal]

I once saw you stand slash like 6 times in a row from full screen

[lament mirage]

I had to go at the time

[torn drift]

@meager portal you shoudl tune in next time the top 3 are playing you can learn a lot

[rancid marlin]

You should play Rock tbh

[lament mirage]

Ew

[runic rain]

He can cancel it and it gains him meter

[rancid marlin]

Everyone here needa play Rock Howard and main him

[meager portal]

Wait who's top 3

[grizzled heart]

She’s building meter

[torn drift]

Daru bubs and mac

Daru streams

[rancid marlin]

Krohnen is top 3

[grizzled heart]

pocket Rock time

[meager portal]

Gotcha

[grizzled heart]

Okay so we have pocket Mary, pocket Rock, who else?

[rancid marlin]

Mary?

[obtuse dock]

Pocket clark

[runic rain]

I got a Kroh

🙄

[meager portal]

I misread that as "pet rock time"😂

[grizzled heart]

Okay you’re spitting

[lament mirage]

You had a Krohnen

[grizzled heart]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-its-okay-rocky-you-go-when-you-feel-like-it-gif-21084732

[obtuse dock]

Pocket shoto

[lament mirage]

I tore that bitch up

[runic rain]

I wanna OCV you again with Pink Dino

[grizzled heart]

I will main Robert

[runic rain]

So bad

[lament mirage]

Too bad that's never happening

[grizzled heart]

I’ve never even opened rock up in training mode

[runic rain]

It did though

[lament mirage]

Proof or it didn't happen

[torn drift]

It’s pretty bad

[runic rain]

IN THE STREAM

[grizzled heart]

my Leona on Crack

she my best character

[runic rain]

No shit idiot

[lament mirage]

Idk, sounds like fake news

[runic rain]

I'm super bad at the game

[grizzled heart]

me too

[runic rain]

I'm terrible

[torn drift]

Stop lying

[rancid marlin]

You got to. Rock is amazing

[grizzled heart]

Yeah I’m trash

[runic rain]

I lose to everyone.. I'm ass 💀

[grizzled heart]

Same

[lament mirage]

Mood

[torn drift]

You’re really good cb

[rancid marlin]

Same

[torn drift]

You just os too much

[lament mirage]

DARU SHUT THE ACTUAL FUCK UP

[grizzled heart]

Shut up bro 😭😂

[runic rain]

Y'all grind this game hard asf

I'm super casual

[grizzled heart]

Daru be like “okay I won’t go try hard” proceeds to OCV you for the rest of eternity

[rancid marlin]

Nah

[grizzled heart]

Daru what can I do ?

Daru: idk just use light buttons for pressure

[lament mirage]

Wym

I stopped grinding like that since before new years

[runic rain]

Y'all take the game more serious than I do

[rancid marlin]

Damn it’s kinda important tho. You actually do this

[grizzled heart]

I’m just memeing ur advice bro haha

[runic rain]

Grind aka trying to improve

[obtuse dock]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[grizzled heart]

It’s just a single player game when we play in this game

[lament mirage]

Oh I didn't give up during the match that last hit I know Cherry wouldn't drop

I was getting them grabs

[obtuse dock]

Cause you got no friends?

[grizzled heart]

Yes

[obtuse dock]

I'm your friend bud

[torn drift]

No that’s not it

[grizzled heart]

You’re my friend too bro

[lament mirage]

Hey you do them like it's nothing so I don't wanna hear shit from you

[runic rain]

We wuv wuu

What? 🤣

[lament mirage]

Trying to improve one area of my craft, Cherry calls that grinding

[meager portal]

I can't remember if I beat you once or not. I also couldn't tell if you were trolling or playing fr.

[lament mirage]

I'm sorry did we just forgor 2016 Cherry?

[grizzled heart]

Daru my friend also he just a Genius Crackhead at this game

[torn drift]

@runic rain Daru doesn’t grind like us nor does he take the game as serious

He’s casual

[grizzled heart]

That’s the scariest part

[obtuse dock]

That or, hear me out, bro it's just lucky

Like he whiffs al the time but always connects

[grizzled heart]

No he has the sauce

[lament mirage]

Like yall call me good and I still got beats by Cherry twice and two long sets like get ouuuuutta here

Cherry

You PUNK

[rancid marlin]

Bro I play Anime fighters b4 this. And 3D shit

Ion play Street fighter

So we can play this like anime

Or no

[torn drift]

@runic rain sometimes you just make wild statements for no reason

[grizzled heart]

you’re not beating the Crackhead level good at the game allegations my friend

[torn drift]

The casual or not sweating isn’t the issue

[grizzled heart]

Howl to be fair dude you do this too

[runic rain]

You really still talking

STFU

[lament mirage]

Bro has 5 years of sweaty arcane knowledge built into her bones

[grizzled heart]

Personally I always have a fun awesome time playing Cherry

[torn drift]

I’ll stop when the os stops

[rancid marlin]

Same

[runic rain]

Looks like we got a on going battle baby girl 🥰

[obtuse dock]

I haven't play cherry 😔

[runic rain]

Let me be the troll of the server @torn drift

It's what I'm good at

[grizzled heart]

I’ve only played Jack like once in this game haha

[torn drift]

I have a better Leona than bubs -cherry

https://tenor.com/view/cap-capping-lying-liar-yeah-gif-24723670

[rancid marlin]

Me too

[grizzled heart]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

Me too

[torn drift]

But you’re a true random main

[grizzled heart]

I don’t actually

[obtuse dock]

Only once? Really? I thought there were more

[runic rain]

My OS, Hottakes, and personality of being a furry and brony

[rancid marlin]

Nah Leona I ain’t got it

[grizzled heart]

I think maybe twice in this game

[runic rain]

You really don't

You need one though

[grizzled heart]

She’s fun!

[rancid marlin]

I need to hop on the Leona bandwagon

She look cool

[runic rain]

Then we can play a full random set

[grizzled heart]

she’s awesome bro!

[runic rain]

[rancid marlin]

I just don’t charge well

I like Ash tho

[grizzled heart]

It’s not that important w/ her

[runic rain]

Her charges are basic

[rancid marlin]

Ash my fav charge character on the game

[grizzled heart]

She not guile

[lament mirage]

Yeah same

[rancid marlin]

DP

[lament mirage]

But sometimes she be wilding

[rancid marlin]

How y’all charge move then do a super

[runic rain]

Don't tell him

[grizzled heart]

Oh I can’t do that shit 100%

[runic rain]

Lab that shit

[grizzled heart]

I’ll tell you

[runic rain]

[obtuse dock]

I'll tell you

[rancid marlin]

I be dropping the hell outta that

[grizzled heart]

For leona or ash ?

[runic rain]

Me n Tricky put in the hours

You need to

[rancid marlin]

I def used to be able to

I just don’t play them

Leona got them weird ass supers

[grizzled heart]

Cherry if we just tell him the motion he’ll lab it out LOL

[rancid marlin]

Probably won’t tbh

[torn drift]

You get used to them

[obtuse dock]

You tell him Dunc, you know Leona better

[rancid marlin]

I don’t think I’ll take them that serous anyways

[torn drift]

2141236k

Or 2363214p in the air

If I’m not wrong

[obtuse dock]

No he means after a charge move

[torn drift]

Could be

[grizzled heart]

yeah and if u wanna do this from moonslash u have to do like 2189 2141236

so it’s like charge down back or down, go to up back SLIDE IT ALL THE WAY BACK DOWNTOWN

I’ve never done that shit tho that’s like an impossible motion for me

[obtuse dock]

I thinl there's an easier way

[grizzled heart]

but the air super is easy you can just do j.c/j.d 5C, 4/6B 214C, 2363214 P, cancel into level 2 right when u hit the ground

Easy combo

[obtuse dock]

Wouldn't (2) 1478 (p/k) 236 (p/k) be easier?

[grizzled heart]

you can also cancel cr.C into 4/6B and do the same sequence

No idea

Someone lab it!!

[obtuse dock]

That's the shortcut I use for Kim super

[grizzled heart]

I’m omw to Austin Texas

[obtuse dock]

Also I've labbed Leona and that's the shortcut I used

[grizzled heart]

closet leona main ??????

Pocket Leona ????????

[obtuse dock]

@torn drift @runic rain can you confirm?

[obtuse dock]

Yes

We trying to put all this tech here while Daru stated that he doesn't care and won't lab it lol

[grizzled heart]

Yeah dude he tooooooo casual

[rancid marlin]

Imma check it out later thankx guys

[obtuse dock]

As we all should be

[grizzled heart]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

Daru see me in Garou bro

[runic rain]

Oh, I do it the hard way 💀 a easy method is

[rancid marlin]

I need to see who I like on there lmk when you tryna play that

[grizzled heart]

Cherry so funny haha, she always like LAB IT, then we say something and she like “ahhhh actually a totally easy fun way to do it is _____”

[grizzled heart]

Terry bogard is in the game

[obtuse dock]

Lol, all I'm saying is, you buffer one QCB/F on the way of (4)6 or (2)8 so all there is left is another QCB/F

That's an easy buffer since the beginning of KOF

[runic rain]

@rancid marlin for Ash is spirit ball is QCF QCF1 so what you do is QCF/U 3 which his his DP then immediate input QCF1

It's a KOF cheat code

Moves register and all you have to is manipulate and buffer

Same with a charge that's 4(6)

[grizzled heart]

https://tenor.com/view/the-matrix-reloaded-matrix-reloaded-neo-keanu-reeves-gif-4011236

[torn drift]

Work sorry

[grizzled heart]

When you do KOF cheat codes

[runic rain]

Just input HCF into super

Because the game registers you still input back, as long as forward is your ender it'll register as a charge

[obtuse dock]

https://tenor.com/view/stick-dance-gif-18304207

Cherry's harder method

[runic rain]

Nah I'm just dumn

I do 3 QCF 🤣🤣

It's how I was taught my my teacher so I do everything the hard way 💀 it was on stick so it was easier

Pad is definitely a issue at times but charge is great on pad

[obtuse dock]

Idk I'm a cheatbox user

I just press them buttons

[grizzled heart]

The average cheatbox user

[torn drift]

That’s me!

And the doctor told me I would never be average smh

[obtuse dock]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-cruise-shades-cool-smug-cool-shades-gif-18677159

Bro I'm not average

[obtuse dock]

You could be a good cheatbox user you know?

[grizzled heart]

no

I don’t wanna relearn the game im already bad now

[obtuse dock]

How well do you play scales on the guitar?

[grizzled heart]

oh I never played scales LOL

I’m a cheap ass punk rhythm guitar type guy

[obtuse dock]

Lol bro a normie guitar player

Got it, stick with pad then

[grizzled heart]

LOL

[torn drift]

Dunc fraud boomer and guitarist

[grizzled heart]

I kinda wish I did now, I be listening to Smashing Pumpkins and be like damn it’d be crazy to shred like this

[obtuse dock]

Just checking if you had the left hand dexterity which would make cheatbox learning a breeze

[grizzled heart]

I have the dexterity for sure

[obtuse dock]

Jerking off does not count as dexterity dunc

[grizzled heart]

You’re cooking today bro I love to see it

See me in the YouTube comments of my old bands tape!!

[obtuse dock]

Bro a boomer fr

[torn drift]

Fr though

#snk-fighting-games

[grizzled heart]

SNK Duncan and Jack friendship chat

[obtuse dock]

Wouldn't #1051573097184108585 be more appropriate,

[grizzled heart]

howl the worst mod bro

Can’t even link the right channel

Bro prolly too distracted playing Persona on mute at work rn

[torn drift]

I don’t care

[runic rain]

When I say something like this I get called out

[obtuse dock]

Yeah howl DM me my 1st strike

[runic rain]

Ew

That's gross as fuck

I have like 5 strikes

Don't worry

As long as I'm here your safe

[obtuse dock]

I'm JK, wouldn't care either

[runic rain]

I won't miss this server if I got banned

[lament mirage]

Cap

[runic rain]

I'm in other servers and I have a local scene lmao

I also have my training "partner and their partner"

They play hitbox

[lament mirage]

So you wouldn't miss any of us

Wooooooaaaaw

[torn drift]

Get out of #1021448500518584341 I have no problem the convo but fucking skedaddle out of here

[runic rain]

I always like to hitboxes

Piss on it

[lament mirage]

Kinky

[raven ridge]

Rock's honest but high/top tier honest because of his buttons + what can combo from them, mostly 5C. Really good light confirms, all that. Likewise, if Rock is optimal with his shit, you're going to get combo'd and put into a corner or SKD state where they can set up some kind of Oki or safe jump scenario (4f reversal)

In the air, the biggest problem is jB because it hits far, horizontal, and has really great priority meaning it'll beat most of the casts air attempts with leniency favouring Rock, and even TRADE on a late jump by Rocky. So you have to respect the options. Cast with cranked buttons that stick out are Yuri/Shermie/Mai/Nessa jCDs. Mai - any air button really. If your anti air options are solid, you can stop Rock's air attempts because jD kiiiind of sucks. It'll lose if you have a great 5d/5c/2c option.

To "beat" Rock, it really is who can out-neutral who on more interactions. 5d is a fantastic anti-hop and an anti-air with appropriate spacing, but it does whiff on crouchers, so pay attention to the whiff n you can get some easy damage in. Reppuken is a "safe" ender but it's unbelievably slow so if you're expecting the reppuken ender, you can 1) SS 2) EX DP 3) roll/GC roll. 214A (light elbow) is also a safe ender only at max range, where I think it's +1 Rocky? For the most part, it can be punishable but the window is tight so use light buttons. @lament mirage

5c is also a terrible anti-hop which I still do to this day, as it whiffs most times. So at hop range, you have a 50/50, favoring the 5c even because Rocky wants to combo, that it's either 5c or 5d, and if it's 5d, they can't combo anyway. So a hop in is a safe gamble.

Some Rock's, mine including (workshop), end a string with DP kick, light or heavy. Try not to crouch block the light because that makes Rocky +2. Heavy flip kick hits high, so you gotta stand up either way, is either 0, +2, or +3 depending on opponent height. The tradeoff/counter to this is that it has a long start up time so you can interrupt this.

That's really it. It's mostly a neutral game with Rock. You just have to out-fundie him

He doesn't really have a crossup game, jB is very inconsistent & a shit cross up

[snow beacon]

Dream Cancel is your go-to site for frames, move properties, etc.

https://www.dreamcancel.com/wiki/The_King_of_Fighters_XV

[lament mirage]

Thanks for the time

[raven ridge]

As frustrating as playing against Rock might be, it's really playing the player. Most all rounders are like that. They might seem oppressive but at the end of the day, there's not many gimmicks - if any, and it boils down to what's the string; can i out neutral them.

[lament mirage]

Hm

And here's me being illiterate asf

[raven ridge]

every character has some kind of special that can be made plus but all rounders can mostly be checked through DC. Obviously having someone in the server who plays those characters also go a long way because of preferable strings n whatnot, which i think I covered most string enders

There's some odd stuff like 6B cancel into cmd throw but even that I struggle on still

[lament mirage]

Through DC?

[raven ridge]

dreamcancel lmfao

[lament mirage]

Oh

[raven ridge]

on jah i've seen you say DC 😭

[lament mirage]

No

Not I

[snow beacon]

@hollow cloak

[hollow cloak]

Ty

[torn drift]

@mild parcel any particular reason Rugal doesn’t like corner

The little I’ve seen from him rugal looks like he struggles with keeping corner and struggles even more to escape corner

But i could be wrong

[mild parcel]

He struggles with corner carry and he has to spend a whole bar to get it. Or make his bnbs weaker.

[torn drift]

But once he’s in the corner is he any good

[mild parcel]

Yes

[torn drift]

Because I know you mentioned you prefer it only for mid but even then you shy away from it

So I was just wondering isn’t instant corner worth?

[mild parcel]

(Side note: I do know the corner reppuken combo)

[torn drift]

Learn it

[mild parcel]

Depends on the scenario

[torn drift]

@torpid quarry learned a dope ass yuri corner combo in like 1-2 weeks of labbing her

You need to do it too

I can’t say for sure

But I have a feeling you be slacking on your lab

[mild parcel]

I think you read wrong

[torn drift]

Yes I did

Because reading is hard

[mild parcel]

See Howl

[torn drift]

[mild parcel]

See how you come off!

[torn drift]

Hey bubs I was wrong

Look bro

[mild parcel]

ALL THAT over a typo. Already assuming all that about me!

[torn drift]

I was wrong

Come here

🫂

[mild parcel]

Ima talk to the head mods

[torn drift]

But I’m still assuming you’re not labbing like you should

Like I said could be wrong

[mild parcel]

[torn drift]

But ain’t no reason a Mai player should be taking matches off you

[mild parcel]

Oh matchup labbing. That is true.

You were talking main labbing

[torn drift]

Eh just labbing in general but yeah, at the same time you have a very solid grasp on your mains bnbs

I love your Leona corner gimmick lol

The corner side switch with air 214c

[mild parcel]

[mild parcel]

I labbed Ralf a lot trust me. And he still needs more labbing, because doing A into BD is still finnicky for me

[torn drift]

Yeah your Ralf has improved a lot

You’re in stick right?

[mild parcel]

Yup

[torn drift]

You can’t just 3a 214bd?

[mild parcel]

I'm still sorta dookie with him because I'm inconstistant with confirms

Even the heavy ones for some reason.

[mild parcel]

No you gotta do the half circle starting with 6

[torn drift]

Whack

You also need to just grind some mu’s

Like angel

[mild parcel]

[torn drift]

You let her get away with anything that’s not a jump in

[mild parcel]

This is the part where you coach me on the angel matchup

[torn drift]

If you ever need help on what to do how to beat a move just let me know I’ll try helping you to the best of my ability

[mild parcel]

Tell me all the secrets