KOF Coaching

[craggy gyro]

@torn drift hey hey heyyyyyyy

i think i found out how to avoid one of angels chains

i think if i can time my rolls right it can whiff and i can go in for a big punish

idk how to describe it but its the one every angel player does 😔

[torn drift]

try and tell me what the move is\

like describe it

[craggy gyro]

hmmmm

one of her unchains that end in a command grab

ill try to find it

[torn drift]

qcf c

[craggy gyro]

YEA THAT ONE

[torn drift]

she whiffs if not in combo

[craggy gyro]

ohhh oki

[torn drift]

if in true combo its ininterruptable

punish it they do it on block

2b which is a unchain circle is her foward low lung is interruptable

so is her unblockage 66c

[craggy gyro]

noted 📔 ty!!!

[torn drift]

you can also gaurd cancel out of her block strings i believe 6b and 2a are her only things that are somewhat safe from gc oh and her 2b lunge since youre too far but that gets interrupted with gc so yeah

[craggy gyro]

ty ty

[torn drift]

You have a really good team to fight Angel my biggest advice is to not let her play her game. You start thinking you can just learn her patterns you’re gonna get opened up. She has instant overheads instant lows, slower both as well just to switch timing, can side switch and go for the options listed above. And with some really really impressive tech she can cancel starters to the point that they don’t even come out and use her other tools. For example instant low into instant low into instant low and switch that you at any time. That’s way more advance than I can handle but she can do it so

TL;DR: Don’t let Ángel play at her effective range. Zone, GC, Roll, Poke

[craggy gyro]

got it, i have another friend who plays her but hes really scary at her but could feel myself slightly getting better at the matchup. those overheads and lows fuck me up when trying to block but im glad i got a clearer image on what to do with her pressure

[torn drift]

I’m glad I could help even in the slightest

[craggy gyro]

yeah you sure did 😄 i appreciate it

[obtuse dock]

There is a gap in her unchained combo, with a tight timing, it's around the 3rd-4th hit when she goes for a sweep, you can roll out of the way and depending on what character you have, you can punish

[torn drift]

Sweep?

[obtuse dock]

I don't remember if she just punches low or it's the move where she kicks you low, but it's not like a traditional sweep

Didn't knew how else to describe it

Put the pitchforks away please howl

[torn drift]

No lol but I think you’re referring to 2b which is an unchained mid that I was talking about. She lunges forwards and kicks you low. Super interruptible

[obtuse dock]

Yeah that one

[torn drift]

Got it yeah,
I was talking about that one but thanks for pitching in and agreeing with me I don’t want to be the only one who is responsible if the advice is bad

[obtuse dock]

No prob, pitching in where I'm not called is my specialty

[torn drift]

Jack a pro aid and abeter

[obtuse dock]

Don't know what that means but yes

[craggy gyro]

yeeee that one!!!! i didnt know how to describe it but ty

[meager portal]

I've got a quick question
As anchor Terry, is power geyser a good anti-air?
Or should I stick with power dunk?

[torn drift]

@raven ridge

Sorry dyl that seems like it should work but mac is our terry expert

[raven ridge]

You could, power dunk is fine too for a hard knockdown. I prefer crack shoot/SS/5d

my go-to anti hop is 5d, anti-air light crack shoot. @meager portal

[torn drift]

Thanks Mac

[raven ridge]

The only problem with doing heavy power dunk is the timing of your input + height/when the opp attacked. Because the opp could very well land + block before power dunk begins it's ascent/hitbox. But if you're already hitting the power dunk AA on the regular, stick to it 😛

Alternatively, preemptive light DP is a decent option too because it recovers decently well. Little annoying and inconsistent, as it trades a lot more often than you think a DP would air to air

[torn drift]

To add to this like Mac said your aa normals are crucial since hops are hard to read/react to so sometimes you don’t have the reaction speed or your mental stack is too high to hit a full dp motion or your supers

5D is your anti hop best friend according to Mac right?

[raven ridge]

Terry's 5d is a disgusting anti-hop at the proper range. Being hop/super hop. Any closer and it starts to get inconsistent. So you can really control the hop space if you're proactive on your movement/positioning @meager portal

[meager portal]

Alright, thanks, I'll try it out.

[torn drift]

I hope you’re enjoying the server if I can’t offer you help I’ll try finding you someone that can

[plush delta]

@warm hollow some thoughts from our matches earlier. I thought the o Shermie was predictable with how she does her projectiles. Her big thing is setting up her orbs and kinda anticipating where people will move. I think you are placing the orbs where people are instead of where they will be, if that makes sense. I think it may also be due to panic if she gets pressured and you panic on what to do with her. Know her good buttons for close range so you will be prepared if an opponent gets close to her. Remember she has Shermie buttons and you hardly utilize them

For Andy, be very very careful with throwing out the elbow raw in neutral or ending your blocking strings with them. They are very punishable. Practice ending the block string with the fireball instead. And recognize when you hit confirm before you use the elbow

For Jenet, she definitely is your best. I think you can definitely improve more with her. Know what her good buttons are and what situations to use them. Fighting daru’s Jenet, he used her jump cd to beat my jump cd. It seemed really strong. She has some tricky frame traps as well with her far C and the 214P move and the know how to use her projectiles and their ranges to trap people. The ex is very tricky and can also OTG if you need extra damage

Jenet is a very strong character. If you decide to stick with her, know she will likely get some nerfs in the Jan patch

Oh I’m sure you already know this, but the tip in fighting raitguy is to (1) block until he leaves himself open to punish and (2) he is very susceptible to jumpins and especially ones that crossup (since he doesn’t really block)

[warm hollow]

Thanks for all this! Hadn't considered some of this

[plush delta]

Also do you still feel comfortable with o Shermie as the anchor? I feel (at least from our matches) you don’t get to do her big combos. Maybe Jenet can be a better anchor since you are consistent in hitting that combo. It would be easy to tack in a lvl 2 or climax after it

@meager portal can I recommend the BnB combo for Terry for you to learn? It’s gonna be super helpful especially since you have 5 bars with him

[meager portal]

BnB?

Hell yeah, I'd love a bacon ranch burger.

Jk, i don't know what it means

[torn drift]

Hey dyl raw supers are a great useful tool

Don’t over rely on them

They should be a specialty in the back pocket not your main gun

[meager portal]

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out ways to light combo into them

[torn drift]

I would say for now tone them done raw

And learn how to implement them

[meager portal]

Because tricky said I should use a lot of lights in neutral

[torn drift]

They typically only work raw on hard reads

And when you’re learning to improve start relying on better solid gameplay than hard reads

And that’s coming from someone still struggling with this rn

[meager portal]

Yeah, I'm actively trying to break all my hard read habits of my smash bros days

[torn drift]

No worries man

You’re new here and to kof it seems

[plush delta]

Bread and butter combo. You need to learn the BnB for each of your character. Luckily KoF has a universal combo system

[torn drift]

I hope you’re enjoying it

[plush delta]

Kinda like your Ken jump in combo in sf

It’s like a simple essential combo

[meager portal]

I am, its a very fun game

[torn drift]

You’ll be beating that weak angel in no time

[meager portal]

A lot of my simple ken combos would be jump heavy kick into 2 light kicks, then flaming shoruken. It would work once. And then from there it wouldn't work anymore because my opponent would read all my jumps.

[plush delta]

@meager portal I need you to master this terry combo - jD close C 6A 214A 236236BD climax

[meager portal]

So that's why I'm hesitant to learn hops and such, because of old sf2 Turbo ptsd

[plush delta]

It’s like his combo 4 or 5 in trial without the QM

You need to learn the QM eventually but learn it without the QM first

[meager portal]

jD close?

[plush delta]

Jump D then close C

In KoF, buttons attack differently when they’re close or far. There’s proximity

[meager portal]

D is heavy kick right?
I'm still not fully used to input numbers and button letters

[plush delta]

Yes D is heavy kick

A is light punch. C is heavy punch

B is light kick

[meager portal]

Ok just to check real quick, correct me if I'm wrong:

7 8 9
4 5 6
1 2 3

Those are for the directionals right?

[plush delta]

It’s basically a jump in D, into close C into 6A command normal into light burn knuckle into lvl 2 Buster wolf into climax

[plush delta]

Yes

[plush delta]

This should do close to 90% damage with 5 bars

Basically a tod

[rancid marlin]

Can do all these from light attacks. Just need to use 3C with Terry after 2A,5A, or 5B. Awkward light confirms. @meager portal

[plush delta]

Yeah but Terry close D is a very strong jump in that crosses up and the close C into 6A hits multiple times for easy confirms. Light is important but for a beginner, I would stick with this.

[rancid marlin]

Idk what you all were even on. I just saw light attacks pop up. You right

Don't want to neglect light confirms entirely though

[plush delta]

Mac doesn’t even use the light into 3C for terry

[plush delta]

Agree. Light confirms are super important

Just wanted to give a strong easy combo for now for Dylan to learn

[rancid marlin]

You kinda have to. Can do EX Power Dunk or DP, but if you want BN or the tackle got to use it. Mac is also a killer with Terry

[plush delta]

@meager portal if that combo is tricky, you can just do this one (I find this way easier. It takes out the burn knuckle and replaces Buster wolf with power geyser). jD close C 6A 2141236AC climax

[meager portal]

Ok so like this?

[plush delta]

The inputs are correct but what you want to see if jump D into close heavy punch into command normal (6A) into light burn knuckle into lvl 2 buster wolf into climax

Or you can do the alternate one I posted above

I have a video of the alternate

https://youtu.be/D9i9hUTQEBw

[meager portal]

Woahh

[plush delta]

The alternate does slightly less damage but is easier for me but the main one is pretty easy enough and is what most terry players use

Once you can do QM, you can save meter (need only 4 bars instead of 5) and do about the same damage

This macdizzie‘s main move to win games here in the server

[meager portal]

My plan with me team is that Terry have at least 4 bars to play with, which leaves a lot of options, but the reason I don't say 5 bars is because I want b.mary to use some ex slider shenanigans

[plush delta]

Yeah you only need 4 bars. With the QM you can do the same damage with 4 bars. You can even use 3 bars only with QM by just using lvl 1 buster wolf instead of lvl 2. Should still do 700 damage

Terry jump D is very good for a jump in and the close C into 6A have a long animation that makes canceling easy

[meager portal]

I've been trying to lab some basic mary combos too, although they're pretty inconsistent when I panic.
My go-to for Mary is
2B, 4C, 6CD, 236A, 623CD
And it gets great damage as long as I don't fudge up the shock fang follow-up

[warm hollow]

I could move stuff around. I may play with them in different spots for the near future just to see

[plush delta]

Unfortunately I don’t use Mary so I’m not familiar with her combos. Getting the ex slide into shock is very important for her combos though. It’s like that into ex hop kick which causes a juggle into 6D into dp into super I think

Although you can just do ex slide into shock straight into super for a scaled big damage

[meager portal]

Maybe. Idk how to super cancel with mary

I dont really use Mary for super canceling though bc I wanna leave bar for terry

[plush delta]

It’s not easy since you cancel from the dp mostly. But as I said you can just super after the shock for a scaled damage

[plush delta]

Yeah definitely terry scaled really well and is best to give him meter

[snow beacon]

What’s the super one should cancel from her DP?

Inputs that is

[plush delta]

I think putting Jenet on anchor has the potential to give you more big damage combos

[meager portal]

Yeah, level 2 splash rose deals more than ex vertical arrow after shock, but for 4 times the bar, it's not much extra damage because it's all scaled down so much.

[plush delta]

I think it’s 236x2 but don’t quote me on that

[meager portal]

Nah, qc.F hc.B

2363214 in number terms

I think?

[warm hollow]

I just worry it's because her damage and meter efficiency are nuts and if she gets the nerf bat next month that I won't be able to replicate the success

[snow beacon]

It would still be good to practice if your BM got through to anchor for the kill

[plush delta]

Yeah you are right!

[meager portal]

Very true

I'm torn between labbing my Mary combos or labbing my terry

[plush delta]

It might be worth waiting and seeing what the patch says. Only a couple more days away anyways!

[plush delta]

Lab the big terry combo first. You’ll get more chance to use it

It’s an essential terry combo

[meager portal]

Arguably I go for Mary combos first since Terry combos won't matter if Mary combos clean up

[snow beacon]

Are the SNK gods gracing us with The Patch Jan 1?

[plush delta]

Cause you need to learn the QM for it

[plush delta]

Haha we don’t know. I’m guessing first or second week of jan

[meager portal]

Alr, I'll do terry bread and butter finisher first.
Then I'll work on some ex Mary combos

[plush delta]

For Mary, it’s worth knowing her hop crossups. It’s super good

[meager portal]

Mary is kinda tricky, but she's really fun to play

[plush delta]

I feel she’s harder to learn but she’s super super good

You will be rewarded heavily if you stick with her

[meager portal]

Also
Does anyone mind if I explain my reasoning for my designing my team the way I did, and then giving me advice on what I should work on from there?

[plush delta]

Go for it

For Mary, abuse her real counter command grab as well

[meager portal]

Ok, so I picked Andy as my point because I can use my basic shoto knowledge to outspace or rush down opposing points depending on character, but I use Andy for scouting, conditioning, and learning my opponent, while also building chip damage and meter.
For mid, I've got Mary, I put her at mid so she can jump heavy kick for good pokes with good combo potential for whiff punishes or command grabs for excessive blockers. I limit her to no more than 3 bars of meter total unless she makes it to opponents anchor, in which case, go for heavy combo game.
And lastly I've got terry. And I picked Terry because I think he's really cool, he's got epic super cancels and a wide variety of stage controls with crack shoot anti‐air and huge combo potential. Terry's job is essentially to take whatever meter he's got, and go berserk. Terry time is taking everything I've learned about my opponent and punishing bad habits (such as punishing jump with raw power geyser) but Terry, is the finisher. The last stand if you would.
I would say currently, my weakest link is Andy as I can't combo with him, my second weakest is Mary because of input inconsistencies, and then Terry is my strongest character simply because he makes good use of my basic fundamentals, with basic super confirms.

Sorry for the novel, but I put a lot of thought into this.

Now that you know this what do you think I should work on?

[plush delta]

No this makes perfect sense. Usually for point, you want someone who can meter build and be efficient without using ex moves. Mid must be character that can function with or without meter and anchor needs to have that tod combo

That’s the usual built so sounds like you got it down

There are variations of course but thats the most basic team build

[meager portal]

That's what I was focusing on, Imma be real, I picked the characters first, then built the team around their strengths and thats what I got

[plush delta]

Certain characters are better at certain positions like Athena and angel are fantastic point characters. Grapplers like Clark usually go point or mid and characters like terry Antonov and ash are best put on anchor

[meager portal]

I didn't go "I need a good shoto. Oh, Andy's good at that." Nah I was like, "Andy's pretty cool, judging by his playstyle I should put him in the front "

[plush delta]

It works out, cause most players put Andy point and terry is probably the best anchor character in the game. Mary is good anywhere

[meager portal]

That's what I've heard

[plush delta]

Actually krohnen is the best anchor

I forgot the meta lol

Terry is second best

[meager portal]

Speaking of point, I usually see a lot of Luong and Robert points, Robert I understand, but is luong a good point purely because of her pokes?

[plush delta]

Kula is the best point

[plush delta]

I think Luong is best at mid. She needs meter for her ex combos but her big combos don’t do a lot of damage so she doesn’t fit anchor

Robert is good anywhere but there are better anchors who deal more damage than him

He is good with or without meter. I would put him at mid tbh

[meager portal]

Another character I'm confused about is Ralph. I see him widely used in any position. Usually point or mid, but I've been told he's a solid anchor too. What's the main thing I should look out for against ralph?

[plush delta]

He is great everywhere as well. Pre patch, he used to be a super scary anchor. But he is good because he has good buttons. Watch out for the 2C mostly

[meager portal]

Is that his main combo starter?

[plush delta]

It’s a fantastic poke that can cancel to his gatling punch which can cancel to super

[meager portal]

Oh woah, yeah that sounds dangerous

[plush delta]

I can use Ralf and Luong next time we play

[meager portal]

Alright, sounds good

I'd say that about covers all my burning questions. (for now, lol)
I'll be practicing more tomorrow as well and I'll try and work on some terry bread and butters.

[plush delta]

Sounds great! Let me know if you have other questions! You are leveling up really nicely!

[meager portal]

I should probably get to bed here soon so I can wake up refreshed for some more practice.
Because I seriously want to get to the level that tricky is at, and I'm willing to put in all the practice I need. So all the feedback is very much appreciated and I hope to play some more matches with yall tomorrow.

[plush delta]

You’ll get there! The fact that you are hungry for it is a great sign. You remind me so much of @torn drift when he joined, he couldn’t do any angel combo and doesn’t know how to fight zoners but he is persistent in labbing and training with people here that he eventually became one of the best players here in just a few short weeks

[snow beacon]

A = LP
B = LK
C = HP
D = HK

[sinful herald]

Can I just say this is hilarious? It’s hilarious

[torn drift]

How come lol

[sinful herald]

I mean…Mai Rocket, Luong round start and who could forget “annnnnd get fucked” 😹😹😹

[torn drift]

Heyyyy man

There’s rhyme to my reason ok

[sinful herald]

I know still gonna poke fun 🥸

[snow beacon]

Time to roast the new mod!

KOFXV Frame Data

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uPQlyMB8pJhCILH0BYZNhJAO2cNq0aEZt_ifYQ6-uiI/edit

Idk how accurate these are, so make sure to double check with Dream Cancel

https://www.dreamcancel.com/wiki/The_King_of_Fighters_XV

There's an app on Android called "Frame of Fighters" that lists all the frame data for everyone on a super easy format.

[meager portal]

Gurus of the discord, I come seeking knowledge.
How tf do I counter yashiro rushdowns.

I block, but before any of my light punishes come out. I just get punch combo'd again

[warped pine]

I think I can answer this one.... wait for the balance patch because he's broken 🤣

[torn drift]

What exactly are you getting hit by also @snow beacon @torpid quarry and @rancid marlin probably have the most yash experice I think

[meager portal]

I'm getting hit by stand C into 236C, and then sometimes they ex cancel into even more punches

And whenever I get cornered and block. They throw out a supersonic light kick, so then I crouch block, and then they pull out an overhead

And my moves dont come out fast enough to knock them out if their attack strings

[torpid quarry]

I don’t know I just play the character and shut my brain off

His dash punch is safe so respect that

And any other of his punches are unsafe

[sinful herald]

@meager portal bait the DP and full punish. Also his st.CD is realllly punishable on whiff so take him in the lab and learn that spacing

[torpid quarry]

His dp can be stopped by lows

[meager portal]

Also on a smaller side note, does Terry have any moves safe on block?
Almost everything I'm seeing is -- on block

[sinful herald]

Burn knuckle is safe (at the proper spacing) crack shoot is too. Go to Dream Cancel to learn frame data just know that some moves can be more than -5 but aren’t punishable because of pushback

[plush delta]

The answer is to wait after the patch

[meager portal]

From what I know, light crack shoot and light burn knuckle is kinda safe

[sinful herald]

But yeah go in the lab, count off the squares, set the dummy (Iori is good) to reversal 5C on block and practice your burn knuckle spacing

[sinful herald]

They both are if you space it right

[plush delta]

Yashiro is very broken but hopefully he will be nerfed hard. I hate that character

[sinful herald]

Same with Shun burn knuckle

[torpid quarry]

I hope shun gets nerfed

Broken character

Angel too

And Ramon gets deleted

Make luong one shot you when she sits on your chest I’d definitely pass out

Sounds like a great time

[sinful herald]

He was such a joke before the patch and then they made him ridiculous

[meager portal]

Ok, I got my lab schedule figured out for when I have to travel for the holidays

Should I change anything?

[torn drift]

Mmm I disagree with the yash wait after patch, I’ll see what I can but there’s always something you as an individual can be doing

[plush delta]

You are @torn drift ‘a protege

[sinful herald]

I would steer clear of matchup stuff because, like Howl said, there’s a patch coming any week now also there’s more than one way to play a character so you’d be labbing against a specific players character

[plush delta]

I would agree except the patch is really really close so it does make sense to wait. If you lab now, it might end up being useless when you can lab other things

[sinful herald]

I’d practice light confirms, punishes, and movement in that order

[grizzled heart]

Raitguy the goat 🐐

[torn drift]

I guess you guys are right in that regard

[meager portal]

yo if anyone has the time, could someone list me some basic bnbs i should practice for either Andy, Mary, or Terry? google has failed me in this regard.

[plush delta]

Use the ones I gave you for Terry and Andy. You can also look at the trials (usually trials 2-4 are good) and you can look at the combos section at Dreamcancel

[snow beacon]

There are many Andy combo videos on YouTube

[torn drift]

@mild parcel

Cl.d 214ac 2c 6b 214c (2)8a (4)6a super right?

What’s the in the corner

[snow beacon]

End that (4)6 with a B, not punch. This is for 1.5 bar (lvl 1).

Mid screen 1 bar:
cl.D 214AC 2C 6B 214C (2)8A (4)6B (4)6BD

Corner:
cl.D 214AC 2C 6B 214C (2)8A (4)6D (4)6BD (2)8A super

[torn drift]

Thank you!

[meager portal]

anyone have a good fightstick recommendation for ps?

im looking for one that ill be able to use for a long time without costing me my soul

[plush delta]

What’s your budget?

[torn drift]

Yeah depends on budget

Also <@&970785255067910215>

[plush delta]

If youre looking for budget friendly under $100, try out the qanba drone or mayflash f500. You can get these at amazon. Try them out and if you don’t like how sticks work, you can always return them. You can upgrade the mayflash by switching out the levers and buttons too if you enjoyed it

More middle budget ($100-$200), the most recommended is the qanba obsidian or pearl. I use the razer panthera and I really like it but you may have to go to eBay for that as it’s no longer being produced I think. You can also try the hori rap N. I never tried it but have heard good things

Higher budget stuff include the Vitrix and others but that’s too expensive already

Understand that a fight stick won’t provide you a discernible advantage over controllers. It’s just a preference thing

If you do want an advantage, you can go the hitbox (or keyboard route) as that will make your inputs cleaner. But the advantage provided is minimal

There is a middle budget version between the qanba drone and the qanba obsidian/pearl called the qanba crystal

But people usually recommend going for the obsidian or pearl

Btw the difference between the obsidian and pearl is just the button layouts

[snow beacon]

@meager portal I can vouch for the Qanba Obsidian/Pearl, Razer Panthera Evo, and the Hori Real Arcade Pro (RAP) N. If you’re trying to customize, these would also be some of your better options imo.

[plush delta]

Mayflash has a super budget stick called the f300 that you can try but I believe it’s tiny and you’re much better off buying the f500

[snow beacon]

Is he on PS4 or 5?

[plush delta]

Not sure

[meager portal]

$200 max

[meager portal]

ps5

[warped pine]

ok, so Mai doesn't have your standard shoto DP, but I see her standing C goes completely above her head. Does this serve the same anti-air purpose?

[snow beacon]

Are you open to secondhand? Do you intend on customizing?

[plush delta]

All the ones I listed in the middle budget should fit and can be had for under $200. I recommend looking at eBay

[meager portal]

not much for customizing aside from pure cosmetic

[plush delta]

Hunt eBay for qanba obsidian or pearl is my recommendation

[meager portal]

is there a difference between the two?

obsidian and pearl i mean

[plush delta]

Just the button layouts and the default color

https://qanbausa.com/obsidian/

https://qanbausa.com/pearl/

You can get used ones for cheaper on eBay if you want to save money

[meager portal]

ive heard that some sticks come with a square gate, or an octagon gate. are those important to consider?

[plush delta]

Most default is square and that’s what you want

[snow beacon]

I think most come with a square gate. If I’m using stock parts, I prefer octagate. It really depends on your playstyle and feel.

The lever/stick itself has many options like the actuator (I use an oversized one to shorten its throw from center/neutral to the periphery) and spring (to adjust its tension; most people I know go 1.5 or 2 lbs. Default Sanwa levers are 0.9 or 1 lbs).

I only mention these 2 other mods because they seem to be the most common to start with.

I also use foam silencers for my buttons.

[meager portal]

alright, i think im gonna pick up a quanza pearl, it looks cool, it looks clean, and the buttons arent too close to the joystick

and there is mod potential with it right? in case i wanna swap out the buttons someday?

[snow beacon]

Yes. Changing buttons are a simple swap.

[snow beacon]

Remember to search “qanba pearl”

[meager portal]

and the stick just plugs in via usb right? i dont gotta buy batteries or nuthin?

[snow beacon]

Yup. USB

[meager portal]

neat

alright, well i appreciate the help. ill let yall know if i have further questions

[magic harness]

There is but I need to warn you about screw-ins and the Qanba Pearl (and also the Obsidian). Because of it's placement close to the pcb, you need to do a hack where you have to cut off part of the outer ring that holds the button. You can barely squeeze it in for the obsidian because viewlix layout but the pearl is much nicer. If you end up getting it may be go for snap-ins like the qanba gravity k's which are ridiculously popular rn. It should be onsale at Arcadeshock rn. I believe I posted that sale link last night. Or check Qanba's website.

[meager portal]

👍

and im not looking to immediately mod the hell outta it, its just like what if 2 months later, i want to swap out a few buttons with some red ones or something just to change it up a bit and make it look nicer.

if its too much a hassle, i probably wont try to mod anything, but its nice to have options

[magic harness]

You'll be completely fine with any snap-in buttons, which the gravity k's are. The stock buttons are also snap-ins (sanwa).

This is what I meant by having to cut part of the ring to accommodate a screw-in button. In any case just hit me up if you decide to mod, and I'll help make sure you get parts that won't be aggravating. I actually previously had the Obsidian. Converted it into a hitbox but it was too heavy for my lap (I lap play) so I ended up selling it to a friend.
Fantastic stick though. Kizzie Kay actually uses it. The Obsidian is just the Pearl with different colouring and layout.

[snow beacon]

I’ve been out of the stick customs for a while. Why are the Gravity Ks popular?

[magic harness]

Same. I found my endgame with the micro form factor. I just need a ps5 compatible pcb when it comes out . Anyway here is some feedback from several people who love them:

[torn drift]

@runic rain come come

I need routes

[torn drift]

@plush delta 2a 2a or 2b 2a 214a frame trap

2c

Some throws

And mid range a fan for run ups

C fan is too fast

Something like this should improve my mai game no?

So she’s not so jumpy

@spring relic feel free to weigh in as well

I rely on j.b or hop b when I can to start my lows

[grizzled heart]

Oliver deadass ASLEEP

[torn drift]

Nah oli searching “May/Athena ‘SFW’ art” rn

[grizzled heart]

“Blanka SFW art”

[snow beacon]

<@&1020150124984406036> <@&1020150383139631124> Since there’s been some reach out for character-specific tech and combos, I was thinking that character specialists can post mini guides for their mains. When I find time, I will list my characters’ notable normals (to me) as well as combos (organized by meter requirement and screen position).

If any you want to contribute, please post it here in "KOF Coaching" and title your post with character name and combo or whatever you wanna list (ex: YAMAZAKI COMBOS). You may have to separate sections because discord messages has a 2000 character limit. Please condense into 1 message if you can, rather than sending 1 million messages. That will make it easier for mods to pin for easy access and organization. Thank you in advance.

[grizzled heart]

Bubbles leona guide gonna be a whole buncha emojis and emotes

[rancid marlin]

mine too

[snow beacon]

No hieroglyphics please

[grizzled heart]

Daru’s K’ guide: uhhh idk just do stuff

[snow beacon]

I will make guides for the following:

• Andy
• Anto
• Clark
• Ryo
• Whip
• Yamazaki

There’s a lot of overlap, so if I miss anything for any of these characters, I will edit my guides to minimize the number of guides per characters.

[obtuse dock]

Eljay covering all my mains

[snow beacon]

Lol. I’m not really gonna go in-depth like ranges and such. As I have been preaching, it’s up to YOU to learn that in lab or match because everyone plays differently. I don’t intend to hold your hands 100%.

[rancid marlin]

Tbh I feel like it would be easier for me to answer very specific stuff..

[grizzled heart]

Yes I will be penning my Hibiki guide for Samurai Showdown 2019

[grizzled heart]

You don’t wanna hold hands bro ☹️

[warped pine]

Can I get some Last Blade guides?

[grizzled heart]

LOL

[grizzled heart]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/12xXamlJKuq3OLH74la6SOHOKP-DqsE6GqoWhIVr5fQ0/mobilebasic

[obtuse dock]

Last blade 2 sucks, last blade 1 is where its at

[snow beacon]

Yeah, that’s what I’ve been saying too when people wanna learn how to start. Play around with them first, then ask me more specifics

[grizzled heart]

Stop trying to bait me

[obtuse dock]

I just missed you dude

[grizzled heart]

I’m always here

[obtuse dock]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[obtuse dock]

Anyway samsho 7 sucks, samsho 5 sp is where Its at

[snow beacon]

But for those who have time, feel free to list normals and combos at least as a start. More specific tech will take longer, as is better as a discussion,

[torn drift]

@runic rain

[snow beacon]

It’s up to you guys as to how in-depth you wanna get. Just please follow @snow beacon format 😂

Or i will ask you to edit and compile haha

[snow beacon]

Haha you’re more than welcome to add on. Just reply to my “guide” then I’ll copy pasta

[torn drift]

I wish I had the knowledge to contribute

[grizzled heart]

I wish you had none

Im joking

[snow beacon]

Also, if you follow or come across a good guide that already exists, feel free to post that too, with a proper title so it can be found in search

[meager portal]

Maxima guide right here:

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk

[obtuse dock]

Me: posts screen shots from dream cancel
Here are some guides I made guys

[torn drift]

Daru kof guide: press random select :baiken_whatever:

[plush delta]

I have a feeling only Eljay will be writing a good guide. Most of the knuckleheads here are too lazy

Including me

[grizzled heart]

Daru and Bubbles have potential

Mac w/ Terry , Joe and Rock too honestly

But I also feel like all three potentially wouldn’t wanna put the time in

[plush delta]

Yep. Cherry and howl will write something

Smoke might

[torn drift]

I feel inadequate for a full guide tbh

[warped pine]

you mastered the hardest character in the game to control. You're adequate

[torn drift]

That means a lot rait but I’m far from an Ángel master

One day though

[rancid marlin]

Literally wrote a whole book earlier

[torn drift]

Those were my 4Am hallucinations

[mild parcel]

@snow beacon

[rancid marlin]

What characters would I even do..

I pick random

[mild parcel]

Theres my guude.

(I was trying to reply to "no hieroglyphics")

[torn drift]

Kyo, K’, Iori

You have a solid geese

You’re by far the best k’ here though

Oh and O.Chris maybe you’re not at where you want to be mechanically but you could know tech

[obtuse dock]

Daru's guide: idk man just hit the oponent until the health bar runs out, oh and avoid being hit as much possible

[rancid marlin]

Ok. Well if anyone has specific questions, I will attempt to answer.

If I can't, then

[spring relic]

Mai Notable Normals:
cr.A, far B, j.B (cross-up), far D (anti-air), cl.B > D (target combo), d.C, CD, j.CD

[obtuse dock]

What's my purpose on this world?

[warped pine]

Will SNK ever really fix matchmaking?

[spring relic]

Crossplay

[lament mirage]

Oh

I'll do King and Shermie when I can

And maybe O Sherm too

[rancid marlin]

To plant many trees. So many trees that global warming stops.

[rancid marlin]

No.

[torn drift]

Are you proud of me?

[grizzled heart]

GEESE

[grizzled heart]

Beni too?

[rancid marlin]

Yep.

[rancid marlin]

P R E D I C T A B O

[lament mirage]

I'll do if I can just I'm still trying to flesh him out

I feel like @runic rain could give a more sensible guide then myself

On Benimaru anyway

But I'll give my 2 cents until then

Wait, I remember already doing this for Shermie

Shermie General Guide
5A (2A) are good for panic situations but don't rely
5B is a good poke, cancels into grab unless at max range
5C is good for anti airing hops and catching rolls on a crossup
5D is your anti jump
CD is good for "Idk what they are jumping in with but fuck em" occasionally catches low crossups

2B cancels into Grab
2C this button is your Lord and Saviour
2D can cancel into special moves, useful for light and heavy Axel kick mix

6B is good on its own for QM reasons

J. A/B I mean, they fast
J.C is the button for HKD mix, don't do it all the time, but follow up with 5C for back roll catches
J.D is real good jump in after you scare them with your CD
J.CD a wall of perfect thigh and power, if you insta press this jumping up, basically no one can contest in A2As, on the way down its good pushback and Dash grab if youre cheeky

Spiral (CMG) this steals turns like a mf, and also empty hops if your reading is godly

Shermie Whip (214P) DO NOT USE SHERMIE WHIP FOR THE LOVE OF GO-- 214C is Ground Invul f1 if you feeling lucky

Clutch (623K) is like "fuck you" when it comes to anti air, catches late too. Can super cancel into the A/C super, EX can Hail Mary you out the corner but use it sparingly

Dash Grab this is your chase down CMG, try not to use further than 1/2 screen away to minimize hop punishes. This also has the benefit of Whiff punishing pokes once you get the timing down

Axel Kick, from 2D this can cause a sorta crossup scenario (light same side, heavy switch), additional tool against zoning

Neutral
Ofc the hardest part, as per her grappler nature. You'll want to say in between Hop and Super Hop range at all times if possible. 5B and 5C to contest space and lull them into paranoia with Normal CMG and Dash Grab, shoot down their jump ins with 2C and dog fight them with J.CD. If you manage to get consistent with grabs, there is at minimum 6 ways to attack them: Overhead, Empty Hop Low, and EH Grab

<@&1053061952236171374>

[grizzled heart]

DAMN Cien ALREADY HAD IT

He was READY TO GO

🐐

[obtuse dock]

Bro just typed here what he had already tattooed on his back

[torn drift]

Like Marik

[grizzled heart]

Jack doesn’t miss

[torn drift]

Winged dragon of thighs

[grizzled heart]

Marik da goat

[obtuse dock]

Only when I wake up to pee at 2 am

[obtuse dock]

Marik best Yu-Gi-Oh villain

[torn drift]

Pegasus is a close bro

[obtuse dock]

You're right

[torn drift]

I actually like 5D

[obtuse dock]

Btw do you remember that weird dungeon dice game?

After the pegasus arc

[torn drift]

Yeah fucking random ass hell

puts my dice away

[obtuse dock]

I thought as a kid it was cool af

Always wished that game got made

[torn drift]

It did

[obtuse dock]

I find out that it already did

[torn drift]

Bro have you been playing normal yugioh this whole time ya normie

[grizzled heart]

🐐🐐🐐

Who tf was the one villain after marik

The one w/ the demon looking duel disks

I stopped watching after that lol

Eljay be like take this to SNK yugioh chat!!!!!!

[torn drift]

The seal of oracalcos? Something like that lol

It was the leviathan

[grizzled heart]

Yeah that shut lol

[obtuse dock]

Eljay insta banning, no warning, bro's had enough

[torn drift]

One dude was Rafael

[grizzled heart]

Bro ima just say I’m a nerd sometimes but you a whole nerd for knowing that

😂😂😂

[torn drift]

Been a nerd

[grizzled heart]

same

[torn drift]

Ángel player remember? 🤓

[grizzled heart]

RIP da yugioh guy

[obtuse dock]

Let's play this howl

[grizzled heart]

I feel like Duke

[torn drift]

Ok fr fr #1051573097184108585

Lol let’s not clog this up

[lament mirage]

Benimaru Guide

Standing Normals
5A/B these are fantastic anti (super) hop tools because they are fast but can be contested.
5C is good too as a way of making sure they get the message
CD is long as hell and even on whiff can cancel into his specials to put up a wall of hit boxes

5D is a notable exception since it it is the only standing normal capable of hitting opponents who are crouching

Crouching Normals
2B is one of the best in the game, long fast and Chains into itself and is special cancellable

2A is good for scrambles
2C is really good bcuz it the event you get pushed out of proximity range it can pick up the HC
2D is good

Air Normals
J.A exists
J.B this is a low-key great crossup tool especially on rehop
J.C hits very deep and is good for jump ins
J.D is hella good for its range A2A abilities
J.2D is a gimmick but it works really well for creating a double OH/ OH > low 50/50
J.CD is the go to for when you expect a jump buts it's not easy to hit a grounded opponent

Specials

236P (Raijinken) is good as it destroys projectiles and (usually) a great anti hop tool. You'll rarely have a need for 214C unless you're sure on a jump in
236K (knee) is a good pressure ender after a blockstring
214P (Lighting Slash) is basically your lariat but can be hit out of so be wary on your spacing. A is fast but C give you frame advantage which is compounded in the corner (214C into 236D is a true combo 95% of the time)
623K is an invul reversal but very very very stubby, very good for eliminating attempted rehops on oki

Neutral
Beni is weird, he's a rushdown zoner if that's a thing. He's best place juuuust slightly out of hop range where he can use his limbs to their fullest potential. But with all his tools he makes for great suffocating pressure once the ball gets rolling, especially when in the corner where that 2B will eat rolls for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Oh and he has an air throw (j.4/6C) if you're feeling stylish

[snow beacon]

YAMAZAKI: NORMALS

f.A - hop checker
f.B - good short poke, cancel into 623D combo
f.C - can be cancelled, can be whiff canceled with fwd advance = kara tool
f.D - good long poke (half screen)
cl.B - can frame trap with cl.C and 2C
cl.C/cl.D - heavy combo starters
2A - main light confirm tool
2B - long light low, links into 2A
2C - anti hop & air, CH cancels to 214A & 236AC
2D - long, can cancel to 214C delayed release for OTG & frame trap
j.B/j.D - jump in buttons
j.A/j.C/j.B - air to airs
6A - standing OH, no knockdown
6B - forward advancing kick, raw hit into 214A for juggle
CD - cancel to 214[P]~D for quicker recovery if whiffed or blocked, but if hit, can run up to combo with 6B starter
j.CD - good coverage except below

YAMAZAKI: SPECIALS & SUPERS

214A - aa juggle extender
214B - long reach, punishable on block & hit, use sparingly
214C - 2nd hit is low, main combo ender
214AC - ranged hit throw, follow up with 236AC combo
236A - stores projectile, 236A again to release
236C - reflects projectile
236AC - launcher & follow up with 6D combo, reflects projectiles returns like a super projectile
623B or BD - standing OH, knocks down
623D - go-to combo extender, can cancel no another special
41236K - upper body counter, weak to lows & throws, BD version has juggle point
632146K - OTG stomp, BD ends same side, others ends opposite side
632146P - OTG after if cornered, better oki & damage with BD
236236P - his only full body invulnerable reversal
2141236P -

Will update later

[snow beacon]

YAMAZAKI: COMBOS

($) = can add super enders after bolded move, listed at the bottom, depending on remaining meter
($+) = cancel into super from 214C if you omit 623D
($++) = cancel into super from 214C if you omit 2D

0 BAR
2B 2A (5B 623D) 214C ($)
cl.C(orD) 6B 623D 214C ($)
CD 214A/C/B~stance cancel, dash 6B 623D 214A 214C (2D 214C if cornered) ($+)

0.5 BAR
2B 2A 236AC 6B 623D 214A 214C ($+)
cl.C(or D) 6B 236AC 6B 623D 214A 214C ($+)
(Corner) cl.C(or D) 6B 236AC 6B 623D 214A 2D 214C ($++)
(Corner) cl.C(or D) 6B 236AC 6B 214A 6236D 23B

1 BAR
cl.C(orD) 6B 214AC 236AC 6B 623D 214A 214C ($+)

1.5 BAR

2 BAR

2.5 BAR

3 BAR

3.5 BAR

4 BAR

4.5 BAR

5 BAR_

Will update later

[tacit ether]

@torn drift Does this look right? Is this the type of combo I should be practicing? I could only get the last hit to connect using meter, but I think I've seen it connect in videos without meter. Unsure. Baby Angel brain broken.

[rancid marlin]

How did you upload this? You console or pc

Nvm

Lol

[tacit ether]

PC. I record using OBS then edit in Vegas

[rancid marlin]

That combo was 🔥 @torn drift

[tacit ether]

[torn drift]

letssssssss go

cl.d 6b qcb c 2b 8a 6ab 66a is like her main string

that ex guarantees safe jump after and leaves you in hyper jump j.c range however in corner you might want to do non ex as it leaves you closer on corner only

but great job!

[torn drift]

so in videos people say they connect 63214d but i cant

i do 63214b

thats easier

[tacit ether]

Interesting

[torn drift]

but great job!

that main combo i only learned about 3-4 weeks in

before the server it took me 2 weeks to learn

[tacit ether]

I noticed this route a lot, so I wanted to get it down before practicing much else. It works off of hop jC too, which is nice!

[torn drift]

2b 2a 46b 2a 6b 236c

@tacit ether want to know the best part

j.a can be followed by j.2b

double overhead

[tacit ether]

Ooh

I'm digging this unchain system now that I fundamentally understand it

[torn drift]

as i keep learning this is probably more crucial to angel

[tacit ether]

The rules are very simple, once you understand them!
Opener > Middle > Ender
No repeat P/K
No repeat direction.

[torn drift]

not as fun not as big

better players will crush your jump ins

2b 2a is a low starter

[tacit ether]

I will work on that next!

That gives me a high and a low option to get into Unchain

[torn drift]

also super tricky buttttt

[tacit ether]

Then I can work on some pressure strings

[torn drift]

2b 2a 46b 2a super cancel

2a can super connect

sneaky damage

dont focus on that now though its a pain

its a 2a into 4626p

[tacit ether]

Oh wow, that sounds tight

[torn drift]

low hanging fruit gray lol

but yeah very

[tacit ether]

So I've been having trouble getting this to connect without the metered version. Is it just a delay thing or do you immediately go into it after the 66A?

[lament mirage]

King Guide

Normals
5A quick anti hop, nothing more nothing less
5B can reflect AoF's fireball super and I will never stop trying to hit it
5C serviceable hit box that will stop hops
5D sweet anti jump
CD this thing is a lot longer than you think and can be made safe by canceling into specials as you see fit

6B purely just to smack a bitch in the head by itself

2A needed to link into her slide for light HCs
2B not bad but short and doesn't loop into itself
2C great anti hop, but it's not perfect
2D decent enough sweep, cover yourself with a light fireball to pressure their tech roll

3D just short of round start (hyper hop) range and cancels into her main BNB combo

j.A you panicked, didn't you
j.B A2A denial too, it hits above her
j.C hits deep and with a (hopeful) patch, can be an ambiguous crossup otherwise keep dreaming
j.D deep jump in tool, great for locking someone down
j.CD hurtbox shifting is so fun you guys, lemme tell ya

Specials
236K classic projectile, B is slow but useful for varying pressure, D is fast but get ready for a punish if they are in the air already.
*well known fact but can be done in the air too. Useful for tricky landing timings and avoiding mistimed jump ins if you're tricky with it.
214K tatsu that's surprising good as anti-airs. B is short but safe when spaced, D goes further but minus onB
623K raucous laughter that devolves into quiet sobbing

Neutral
She a Zoner but imagine Guile without charge and a dp. She's not... baaaad per say but you'll be putting in more effort for same reward of other zoners like Athena, Rugal, and even fucking Joe of all people. Classy and simple, perfect for beginners

[torn drift]

66A63214B essentailly

try it as one input

[tacit ether]

Gotcha

[lament mirage]

<@&1053061952236171374>

How's this?

[tacit ether]

"Perfect for beginners". Here I am, a beginner learning Angel, Whip, and Isla

[lament mirage]

That's totally fine

Tis a guide after all, but learn who you choose to

[torn drift]

Hop CD, 41236BD 8A 6AB 66A? Into 46d 2b 66d?

[tacit ether]

Getting this to work 10/10 trials. Thank you Howl

[torn drift]

Always

[tacit ether]

@torn drift This combo is hard

[runic rain]

That good!!

Need help?

[tacit ether]

I got it once, just need the consistency now!

I also love this combo and will be fishing for it in every match.

Does anyone know if it works off of any confirm into 6B > 236BD?

I've just been practicing with the confirms I know combo off of a hop jump in

[rancid marlin]

Isla?

[tacit ether]

Yeah

[rancid marlin]

From light I believe you have to at least do standing light like 5A 5B @torpid quarry status report

[torpid quarry]

Si

[plush delta]

Dreamcancel will tell you which normals can cancel to command normal

[tacit ether]

I've been spoiled by Dustloop all these years

[torpid quarry]

You can also do 2B close 5B close 5A into ex 214 b+D

Or you can do close 5D or 5C 3D 214,214 lvl 1 super into 214 D

[plush delta]

Learn this swag combo https://youtu.be/j3jyI47U5JE

[tacit ether]

Oli with the sauce

I did not know you could get two level 2 supers in a combo. That's nasty

So glad Isla is my anchor character!

[plush delta]

It’s very rare. Only a few characters can do this. Only her and o Chris and whip off the top of my head. Beni and Ryo can do multiple lvl 1s

[plush delta]

You’re definitely becoming an Isla master!

[meager portal]

I finally nailed a 3 bar qm combo for terry and I can do it fairly consistently now.

I'd show a video of it, but my camera is the absolute worst

[tacit ether]

Say that after I learn how to operate her in neutral

KoF combos are easy. It's the neutral I suck at and don't really like

[lament mirage]

Well

Take it from me

You'll get there

[magic harness]

Lmfao you and I are always opposite

[lament mirage]

You just have to see neutral as a conversation

Is the best way I can describe it

[plush delta]

Try this whip combo! 2 lvl 2 supers in the same combo https://youtu.be/wRAamYM4k08

[plush delta]

Nice you got the most important terry combo down

[meager portal]

Yeah, I'm not telling anyone which qm combo it is though because it's a surprise for when I come back

[plush delta]

KoF neutral makes a lot of sense to me. Cause there is actual neutral and footsies. You can’t just do special moves in neutral like you do in strive

It’s more important to learn what your normals can do then rely on them and your movement options on neutral

[warped pine]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-gif-25421939

[meager portal]

I wait for the day when raitguy can do the Baja ultimate

[warped pine]

So raw specials work in Strive? I need to go ahead and make that purchase

[tacit ether]

Most raw specials in Strive will get you eating a fat punish

Neutral in strive is a lot more character specific

[plush delta]

On the low level you can just spam dolphin

[tacit ether]

May's thing is she can skip neutral with her dolphin, but she's the worst offender of that by far

[warped pine]

On the low level Kof spamming works, problem is there is no low level 😂

[plush delta]

You can spam Potemkin mega fist

[warped pine]

I can in Training smh

[tacit ether]

Punishable on block.

[plush delta]

Is that a patch thing?

[tacit ether]

Nope, always has been

[plush delta]

Well I remember it’s very abusable when I played

[tacit ether]

With proper spacing, it isn't punishable, but they are spamming it, just block and kill them with a cS combo

At max range it's safe against most characters

[torn drift]

Amazing!

[plush delta]

Honestly I think you will destroy people in strive

[warped pine]

I've never played a Guilty Gear game ever in life

[plush delta]

Play strive. It’s on sale now.

The biggest skip neutral character in KoF btw is Kula with her tatsu

[warped pine]

I can't let you influence me 😅

[plush delta]

You’re gonna be a top player in strive immediately

And bully all the newbies there

[torn drift]

@tacit ether end that corner combo with cl.d

After the 66c cl.d resets them

[warped pine]

Kula's top move when I play her is spamming light kicks then doing a tatsu

[tacit ether]

Ooh

[plush delta]

Yes that’s the Kula skip neutral

[tacit ether]

I can't get the OTG. Do they have to be in the corner for it?

[plush delta]

No but corner will make it easier. If you’re in the corner, you don’t have to roll to get close. Here’s an example https://youtu.be/aVr2XnG44J0

Btw this is an unoptimal combo since the extra OTG super is scaled. So use it mostly to kill

This combo also has the main whip BnB combo

[tacit ether]

Oh yeah, I got the main BnB down.

Just can't seem to get the OTG to hit in the combo you linked earlier, even after rolling

[plush delta]

Prolly too slow?

Tbh the OTG combo is not that important anyways

[tacit ether]

Yeah

Oh I got it

[tacit ether]

Whip Drip

[plush delta]

Let’s gooo!!

[meager portal]

bro i swear lv.5 clark cpu be reading my inputs or smth cuz he manages to block 80% of my attacks, and flawlessly counter everything with an armored backbreaker

idk how to deal with that armor bc he grabs my rolls, he kicks my jumps, and he armors through my attacks

[torn drift]

On wake up neutral jump him

In neutral don’t be predictable with your jumps

What’s your team?

[meager portal]

andy mary terry

[warped pine]

All my homies hate Clark

[torn drift]

You have dps

[torn drift]

Bait Clark jump ins and dp him

Clark wins by predicting you

If you’re gonna mash on wake up he as armor

Roll on wake up he has grabs for that too

Jump air to air which leads to conversion

[meager portal]

andy doesnt have an invincible dp, mary is super unsafe on block, and terry is either hit or miss

[warped pine]

does an Andy Ex dp work?

[meager portal]

not if he blocks

which then is also super unsafe on block

[torn drift]

I believe it still beats jump ins

[meager portal]

probably does

[torn drift]

Clark is gonna beat you if you’re predictable and unsure

Hold back and block trying to figure it out

You’re gonna eat a combo

Be predictable with moves you’re gonna eat a combo

[meager portal]

i just gotta play like a clark player and turn my brain off

[warped pine]

The only things that work for me:
Jump/hop around
run and spam projectiles (but stop if he consistently rolls/evades them)
attempt a 2c and retreat
pick a character with command grabs and try to out grab him
Whatever you do - Don't do the same thing every time you wake up

[torn drift]

The actual opposite

Also since this is coaching channel

Give Clark players more respect

They work for their kills and it’s very important to know how to deal with grapplers

[warped pine]

Whatever your plan, I was able to formulate strategy vs Clark best by actually labbing BEING Clark

[torn drift]

That is the best way to learn any matchup

Understand what characters do

[warped pine]

For example, it's stupid easy for Clark to wake up with the armor grab - 100% effective vs CPU.
I know not to be there on wakeup, or be ready for it

[torn drift]

Exactly

[plush delta]

Also you’re talking about cpu here. Cpu doesn’t play like humans do. Also the hardest cpu to fight is blue Mary actually

[plush delta]

Dyl, as howl says, please do put respect to other players. I’ll gladly teach you anti Clark strat, but I personally find it really annoying when people trash characters I play and how I play them

[plush delta]

Clark actually has to take a lot of risk to get in and get their kills. They rely on RPS but that means it can backfire horribly to them as well. Rait mention wake up armor grab. No Clark player actually does that against better players cause all the opponent has to do is neutral jump and do a huge jumpin combo

[grizzled heart]

Oli tired of the Clark slander

Just let the command grabs rack up

[plush delta]

Honestly I personally am. Clark teaches you not to mash which is why he is a good scrub killer. Dino has the same thing. It’s just no one uses Dino

[grizzled heart]

I’m right there with u bro

No use getting mad at him

U get grabbed, that’s on u (the one that’s holding the controller mashing)

[torn drift]

Yeah I agree on an open joke convo I’ll trash Clark and Ramon, however in a serious kof convo skill matters and every character and every player is respected 🫡

[grizzled heart]

It’s weird how ppl don’t shit on Mary like Clark he grab on wake up just as successful as Clark’s I feel

Insert OMF blue Mary meme

[warped pine]

I respect the player, but I feel a way about him as a staff, record label, and as a crew 🤣

[torn drift]

Lol because trip plays BM shitting on trip is like petting a dog

[plush delta]

Mary does have the exact same thing with real counter. It’s just she’s underused

[grizzled heart]

why is no one talking about Blue Mary? This character is dumb af

I wanna play Mary she seems awesome

Why people not picking her

[torn drift]

@spring relic meme please

[plush delta]

I have no problem making fun of the character but it’s when the conversation turns to the player that it annoys me. Instead of Clark, it becomes Clark players. That’s when it’s annoying for me

[grizzled heart]

My list now of ppl I wanna try is Chizuru, Mary, Whip, Clark, Athena

[warped pine]

Well, you see the level of (angry) respect I have. I devoted lab time to get sweaty 😅

[grizzled heart]

oh Yama and Geese too

Ryo

Yuri

[plush delta]

Anyways, if you have any questions for anti Clark tech, feel free to ask

[grizzled heart]

How do u escape the vortex? Neutral jump

Is that the only option

Will reversals work or does frankensteiner just win

[tacit ether]

What position is best for Clark?

[plush delta]

Because it is a vortex. Different things work against the different things clark employs. The most effectively honestly is to neutral jump, cause from what I understand, the only way Clark can beat that is to do close D (or jump throw) but it’s very unlikely that the Clark players will go for that.

[plush delta]

If Clark goes for frankensteiner, you can just normal throw him

Dp will beat if Clark goes for 2As. But if Clark just blocks, he will punish the dp

[torn drift]

Either mid or anchor no oli?

[plush delta]

Rolling away or just blocking will beat the 2As

[plush delta]

Point or mid actually. His combos are very unoptimal in terms of damage

[torn drift]

Also @plush delta you know how I pick characters and suddenly people think they’re horny? It’s weird how it’s the same with you for annoying. Like everyone always shits on your characters. Clark, Athena, May what’s up with that

[torn drift]

Ah see @tacit ether this is why I always fact check my advice 🫡

[plush delta]

The reason you see some pros use Clark anchor is because he is a good counter against krohnen

[torn drift]

This makes sense

[tacit ether]

Shame. I was thinking of maybe trying him out, but my weakest character is my anchor

[grizzled heart]

Oh lord here this guy go again

[tacit ether]

Clark looks fun. Very tilting grabs

[torn drift]

Never be afraid of running un optimal orders

MU>Character positions

Some people run angel as anchor even though she gets outclassed by everyone with meter and she’s the best point/battery in the game

[warped pine]

Clark is the best battery character I've ever tried.

[torn drift]

I would disagree

[grizzled heart]

Oli got pissed now y’all like aahhhh actually Clark da goat 😭

[warped pine]

And your disagreement is probably right

[grizzled heart]

Raitguy’s palms sweaty rn

[warped pine]

Never

Oli knows I secretly lab Clark

[tacit ether]

I'll learn Ramon anchor

[plush delta]

To continue the vortex thing @grizzled heart Clark armor grab will beat you mashing lights or blocking. Mashing lights will beat Clark doing the close D. Clark 1 frame grab will beat you rolling away. Clark 2As will beat you rolling forward. Rolling away or forward will escape the armor grab. Just blocking will escape the one frame grab. Neutral jump will beat both of Clark’s grabs. Clark 2A will meaty you if you try to throw, but throw will beat frankensteiner. Frankensteiner will beat you mashing or blocking too

[torn drift]

You lucky this is the coaching channel, if not I wouldn’t be as encouraging. But go ahead lol! Ramon is very gimmicky but he’s fun too and I honestly enjoy seeing a good Ramon

[torn drift]

When the Clark main grabs you irl 😳

[torn drift]

Ángel the Queen always

But Clark is a great battery rait lol

Dude can jumpstart an electric semi on a completely drain battery

[grizzled heart]

Clark mains go thru a lot…. On top while constantly being harassed … Clark players have even been tazed for their exceptional gameplay… true story… few know this

[plush delta]

Clark is a horrible battery. He doesn’t build meter well. What he is, is self sufficient in that he doesn’t need meter to succeed

Athena is a fantastic battery

[torn drift]

Athena/Kula/Ángel

[torn drift]

Oh I guess self sufficient and battery are two different things you right

[warped pine]

That's what I find unfair. If Blue Mary/Dinosaur is pounding on me they're usually burning meter

[torn drift]

Hey

[grizzled heart]

Uhhhh Mary pounding on u?

😳

[torn drift]

Kula will delete you with .25 bar and a bite of an ice cream cone

[plush delta]

A good battery is one who does a lot of specials but doesn’t need EX

[grizzled heart]

Kyo

[tacit ether]

Like Angel! I don't even know how to use her EX moves yet but I can do some pretty long combos

[torn drift]

Ángel is the best I stand by this lol even when she uses meter she builds more

[plush delta]

Which is why Mary is usually better on mid or anchor cause her meter leads to huge damage

[torn drift]

Angel gets 44 percent damage off .5 and she only needs .15ish meter to start and ends up building around .60-70ish

I know diving bar into percentages like that is weird but y’all know what I mean

[tacit ether]

Checking out Ramon now. I think I like his stuff. Is this a bad route to go down?

[torn drift]

Overall in like tiers for now yes but he should get buffed in Jan

[plush delta]

There’s a reason for this. I pick characters that don’t do a lot of combos to succeed cause I can’t do combos. But people associate combos with skill. So they see a Clark player not do a combo but still do damage, they then think Clark is dumb or unfair and they are annoyed that they are being beaten by that character. But if they got beat because they were hit with a big combo, they excuse that as a skill execution barrier

[plush delta]

He will likely get buffed in the patch

[torn drift]

However fun is theeeee single most important factor

If he’s fun to you strength be damned

Make him work

You’re an ángel player this ain’t nothing new to you gray

[tacit ether]

I played Whip prepatch too, though that was a special kind of hell

[torn drift]

That makes a lot of sense

[torn drift]

It’s ok gray I’m playing nessa now

[grizzled heart]

More Whip Buffs OTW

[torn drift]

Everyone said they hated her and she should be banned

[grizzled heart]

They’re gonna give her back her desert Eagle

[torn drift]

Now she’s low tier

I’m playing the worse version of her

And I love her

[grizzled heart]

Tbh howl…

[torn drift]

[grizzled heart]

02UM Vanessa is worse

[torn drift]

Worse version of her in XV

🤓 how you look rn

[tacit ether]

Ramon has a command grab off the wall?! My god...

[grizzled heart]

I’m talking to the worst version of you everyday

[torn drift]

@plush delta mfs really don’t enjoy simplicity

Imma say it

Hot take

[grizzled heart]

But nah bro … try playing Vanessa in 02UM sometime

She sucks its depressing

[torn drift]

Big combos don’t equal skill

[grizzled heart]

They don’t

Only if they’re complicated

[tacit ether]

I'm bad and love big combos! I'm the opposite of Oliver and I can guarantee he's a better player than me

[torn drift]

Mf i lab that angel I land all day and still can’t AA properly

[warped pine]

I wouldn't hate him if he could be blocked like most other characters/moves 😅

[plush delta]

They measure their skill levels by combos so they gravitate towards characters with cool combos

[grizzled heart]

like Ash players doing TOD …. That’s Skill

[torn drift]

Id be sad if I couldn’t land it lol

[grizzled heart]

Orochinagi Loops… skill

A simple combo into super, for new people it’s hard but everyone gets there eventually

[plush delta]

Which is why ash players play ash. When they could do the same damage with terry

[torn drift]

Oli is better than most of us even though he has some detractors and he’s his biggest one

[torn drift]

Terry is the biggest damage character for absolutely no work

And I love him for it

[grizzled heart]

Terry bogard so unemployed but he always bring home the bacon

He the KOF Kramer from Seinfeld

[plush delta]

He does but it’s really bad right now. You can just block low against Ramon and you erase 90% of his offense

[grizzled heart]

Unemployed mfrs waking up on a Tuesday to play Terry and get to the top of ranked

[plush delta]

Nah I’m average. A lot of people here are way better than me. And yes, most everyone here are better in doing combos than me

[torn drift]

This is only because you chose to be, you hate being competitive and that’s ok I respect it. However you’re only lying to yourself if you say you wouldn’t be more insane than most of us if you tried half as hard as us

(I couldn’t find this servers ángel heart emote, must be a glitch)

[plush delta]

Nah I do lab as well.

[tacit ether]

Just search the gif "angel heart" and click the first one that pops up

[plush delta]

I thought you already have 3 characters? Why are you looking for an anchor?

[tacit ether]

Just trying people out

[plush delta]

You know Billy is gonna get a huge buff right?

[tacit ether]

Angel and Whip are for sure picks. Isla is sort of there as a filler

I don't think I want to do Whip/Billy

One singular rushdown and I'm smoked

[plush delta]

Like the trailer for the patch specifically showcased Billy

[torn drift]

Yeah but you nerf yourself you have to admit

[plush delta]

Whip jump CD is a fantastic move for keeping people out

[grizzled heart]

She’ll prolly get buffed too

Is frosty the first big tourney post patch?

[plush delta]

@torn drift I think blanka is gonna be hated in sf6. However I really like Jamie from the beta and he won’t be hated. Manon might get hated cause I think grapplers will be strong in sf6 thanks to drive rush

[plush delta]

First big offline tourney

[grizzled heart]

I think one of Manon’s normals pulls u in closer to her as well?

Setting up for command grap

Might be another grab

[torn drift]

I hope Manon is hated, I hope blanka isnt

[tacit ether]

I hope SF6 has a character I like

So far I'm huffing copium for Kimberly and JP

[warped pine]

is Ed in SF6?

[grizzled heart]

Yes

He’s DLC tho

[warped pine]

https://tenor.com/view/malcolm-x-angry-mad-upset-hit-gif-5005267

[grizzled heart]

Season 1 dlc hehehe

[tacit ether]

He's so cool

[grizzled heart]

I wish AKI was base roster

[plush delta]

I really enjoyed Kimberly in the beta. Second favorite after Jamie. She has a lot of gimmicks and mind games. Her inputs are easy. Ryu and Ken are simpler and easier to learn but Kimberly is more fun to play with

[plush delta]

Ramon is really fun. I love how fast his movements are. And he has those command grabs that I love. If they buff his normals, he would be perfect and really strong

[torn drift]

You and cherry lol! Y’all in love with the idea of her!

You guys don’t even know what she does

[plush delta]

@tacit ether I actually think you might enjoy juri as well. She has a lot of setplay stuff that you like plus she has an install like system and you like those complicated mechanics

[plush delta]

Likely similar to fang with setplay is what people are guessing

[torn drift]

What if she’s like a claw type

People were saying that’s the new shadoloo or Whatver it’s called

Aki/Claw Marisa/Balrog JP/Bison

[grizzled heart]

Ed is prolly where Marisa is tbh

was trained by Balrog in lore

People have been saying Marisa has a lot of Gill / Urien normals

The whole her being Greek plays into that as well

but yeah idk if she’s set play that’ll be cool I just think she looks cool and wanna see what the deal is

I get it eljay

NOT SNK

[snow beacon]

False. Andy has invincible DPs

[snow beacon]

Or just good neutral

[torn drift]

What’s that

[tacit ether]

He's so dumb I love him

[snow beacon]

Good Clark players aren’t brain dead. You have to prevent him from getting in. If you are letting him in, you gotta work on your neutral.

[tacit ether]

I know in my soul Isla is the better anchor and will be more consistent, but I feel Ramon in my heart

[snow beacon]

I wanna learn him. He looks fun! Quite a contrast from Whippu-Chan

[tacit ether]

I like movement focused characters with setplay and zoners. KoF lets me have it both ways!

[snow beacon]

“Brain dead” characters are those who are safe on block with most of their moves, that are low risk high reward, to say the least… all characters are beatable … again, neutral/fundamentals.

[snow beacon]

Nice Whip combo you posted. I look forward to seeing how you utilize her tools compared to mine.

[tacit ether]

Though I think the only Whip combo I have so far is her BnB and Oli's OTG combo

Most of my lab time today has been going to learning Angel combos

Trying to get Angel into muscle memory before really working on other characters since she's so specific

[snow beacon]

I plan to post my mini guide for Whip before the end of the year

[tacit ether]

I can't wait for that one!

[sinful herald]

Are you sure about some of this? 99% sure that either grab beats rolling in either direction. Good Clarks will also meaty with 2D to condition blocking so they can armor grab some more. If they read neutral jump they can air to air back into the blender or Death Valley driver. I think calling Clark a scrub killer is a misnomer because even top level players have troubles with him. Also think it’s less RPS bc a lot of his options cover more than one scenario so it’s more like 66/33 in his favor

[plush delta]

Yes I’m sure. Rolling away or forward will get you away from armor grab. 1 frame grab will get rolling away, not 100% sure about rolling forward. I didn’t do the math to see if it’s 50-50 or 66-33, but it feels more like 50-50 to me. Clark is a scrub killer cause he is especially effective against mashers. Doesn’t mean he won’t do well against top players as well. That’s why he’s upper mid. He still loses against the meta but does better than the low tiers

I personally think that Shermie is the better grappler as do most pro players

[warped pine]

Any chance Maxima gets any (speed) buffs?

[tacit ether]

Bro Ramon has looping 50/50s in the corner? That's sick

He also makes tiger noises

@plush delta Sorry Oliver, I think Ramon is my new Isla

[plush delta]

No need to be sorry. I love Ramon too

[plush delta]

Just know most people use him at point currently

Well the few people that play Ramon

[tacit ether]

Point makes sense for him.

I feel like his EX Run and EX Summersault alone will be worth abusing in Anchor though

Changing momentum suddenly and sprinting away/towards with some invincibility is pretty nice

[torn drift]

You’re not playing only females

[tacit ether]

I'm uncultured, Howl

[plush delta]

He plays axl

[torn drift]

https://tenor.com/view/añapankeiks123-gif-26118599

[tacit ether]

I must become the aggressively bisexual representative @magic harness wants me to be

[snow beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-washington-training-day-smoke-gif-22279308

[torn drift]

https://tenor.com/view/banned-ban-mai-mai-shiranui-king-of-fighters-gif-25003086

[snow beacon]

Overruled

[torn drift]

You can’t ban only time out

Melly said

[sinful herald]

Must be an online thing then because I definitely get scooped if I roll either direction, especially forward. Didn’t do any math either, just meant that true RPS would be 33/33/33 and a 50/50 exactly what it sounds like. Once you’re knocked down he has a clear advantage. Agree that Shermie is the better grappler for sure

[snow beacon]

I think i scoop your rolls because i input armor throw a little earlier?

Also you’re missing a %

[plush delta]

I can post a video to prove this. I tested out all the different options when learning Clark. Unless I’m doing my safe jump wrong

[sinful herald]

Possible I don’t know what the timings are. Side question: would this also affect neutral jump attempts? Also also I didn’t feel like typing out 33.33 to the infinite factor 😹

[plush delta]

Neutral jump should beat both command grabs

[snow beacon]

No it shouldn’t affect jump… throw would be buh-roken

[sinful herald]

Gotcha thanks guys

[sinful herald]

I believe you (in an offline environment) but I also believe my eyes when playing against eljay lol. Forward roll is definitely scoop city same with back roll, think it’s just a side effect of having 1F grabs with rollback. Stuff just happens sometimes

[sinful herald]

According to this both cmd grabs beat forward roll

[plush delta]

Let me test the rolls and post a video

[meager portal]

Hey, I just wanted to formally apologize for calling Clark players braindead, I realize that I was venting my frustrations in the wrong way and truth is that I have mad respect for people who play their characters well. It was wrong of me say what I said and I hope there's no bad blood from it. I'm taking my losses as result of my inexperience and will try to learn from it so I can hopefully handle Clark interactions better from here on.

[magic harness]

Clark is braindead idk why you're apologizing

I still play him tho

[snow beacon]

No, there’s no need to apologize. He’s frustrating to play against.

[grizzled heart]

When I pickup Clark: Clark players are now Braindead

[warped pine]

@meager portal I sent some stuff your way in DM

[torn drift]

Hey bro in general discussion go ahead but this is coaching, don’t diss any player or character

[warped pine]

I main Krohnen, keep playing whoever you want 😅

[magic harness]

Wouldn't want to hurt the character's feelings

[torn drift]

You’re all good bro and half of it wasn’t directed at you. You know we solid but big of you to apologize

[torn drift]

No but we’re a casual community who help all, not a place to spread toxicity

Plenty of servers for that

@magic harness this channel is for coaching and helping players improve. Simply sulking and insulting characters or the players who use them defeats the purpose. Feel free to voice out your complains in #snk-fighting-games but try and keep this conversation productive. We support all Clark, Krohnen, Mai, Kula players and all others here

[magic harness]

You really typed that all out just to ping me again lmao, you said the same thing in your last messages

[plush delta]

@sinful herald I tested it out. Both rolls escape armor grab but 1 frame grab gets both rolls @snow beacon your thoughts as well https://youtu.be/sgPE5oQNdPo

[torn drift]

See it as you will, I’ll type it again we don’t support toxicity here

[magic harness]

Didn't say anything

Oh whoops, @torn drift

[torn drift]

Go ahead and take shots at me that’s fine, keep it away from the other players here and don’t be toxic to them

All I ask

[plush delta]

Lol Lar just fast tracked himself to getting banned

[plush delta]

This makes me think that maybe you are confusing the 1 frame grab with the armor grab @sinful herald ?

[jaunty bison]

[warped pine]

https://tenor.com/view/banned-ban-mai-mai-shiranui-king-of-fighters-gif-25003086

[torn drift]

Y’all crack me up

[torn drift]

You wrong for this

[meager portal]

Yo does anyone know if I should be using terry fireball? It seems really slow and often I find myself getting whiff punished before terry can even finish the animation

[plush delta]

Yes but it’s not something you should be throwing out constantly. It should be used for neutral pressure from long range from time to time. Also don’t forget to use the ex version to surprise the opponent

[meager portal]

I use ex power wave on the fact that it's actually pretty good, but regular power waves kinda screw me over

[plush delta]

I would say to be careful with it’s usage and never do it at hop range where opponent can full punish you

[snow beacon]

I agree. On top of that, vary your pattern when throwing out projectiles, especially the ones w/ slower startup. @meager portal

[meager portal]

So what if I'm getting bombarded by ash fireballs or iori fireballs. Terry loses that fireball war right? How would I fight that if they baiting jump and I can't roll in?

[snow beacon]

Neutral jump is a good option, to test their patience

Hop Iori fireballs

[tacit ether]

@plush delta do you know of any high level Ramon players I could check out? Angel and Whip too if possible

[snow beacon]

Combofiend has a nice Whip. He inspired me to pick up Whip again.

Bala for Angel

[plush delta]

It’s important to have patience. Know that you barely get any damage by just blocking fireballs and that you actually build meter. Time your rolls and jumps or just walk slowly forward. Also if you have 2 meters, lvl 2 buster wolf goes through fireballs. Ash fireballs are strong but has slow startup so it’s easier than most to do super jump to jump in on him to punish. Know your jump ranges

[plush delta]

High level Ramon players seem like an oxymoron gulp. But I would go to KoF replays in YouTube and look for your characters there

[plush delta]

Howl for angel

[meager portal]

Ex power wave is also a 3 hit so that would beat out their fireballs no?

[snow beacon]

@meager portal To add onto that, i wouldn’t fireball war with Ash. His heavy fireball has multiple hits. Slowly inch your way forward with Terry. Try to neutral jump to prevent Ash from building meter on block.

[plush delta]

Yes if they try to engage in fireball wars. Ex power wave should beat it. Might trade with ash heavy fireball but yours should be faster

[meager portal]

Ok, and I also found that Andy can duck under ash fireballs with a well timed 2D and Mary can light slider under em and still be safe. It's just terry I have trouble approaching with.

[snow beacon]

Mary might be able to 2D them too

[plush delta]

Since you have terry at anchor, anytime terry has at least 2 bars, it’s a very bad idea for the opponent to throw fireballs at you at full screen since lvl 2 Buster wolf full punishes it. If you have 5 meters, they can basically be TOD (80% damage) by canceling to climax

[snow beacon]

Similar note, careful throwing out fireballs against 2 bar Clark

[meager portal]

Since it would just be level 2 wolf to climax, wouldn't it be huge damage because the scaling is so low?

[plush delta]

Should still be 700-800 damage I think. There should be no scaling.

[meager portal]

Good to know

[plush delta]

If you’re good at reading the opponent, have that lvl 2 buster wolf at the ready

[meager portal]

But if its full screen, couldn't they finish the fireball and still block safely? Or would the lv.2 wolf have to be a hard read?

[plush delta]

It should be a hard read if it’s full screen. You get more leeway if you’re closer

[magic harness]

Bi-gang!!!

[plush delta]

Juri definitely is bi. She got her eyes on chun

[tacit ether]

Time to become a Juri player

Oliver thinks she'll be my type, Melly supports it

[sinful herald]

Dracov has a really nice Ramon

[sinful herald]

Yeah I definitely could be, thanks for testing that out

[torn drift]

@unreal forge kof has 4 jumps

Hop, Hyper Hop, Jump, Hyper jump

You do not need to worry about them as a beginner we still have really good players that can’t hop consistently however if you do invest the time early it will help you out

Hop is blue, hyper hop red, jump green, hyper jump is white

[rancid marlin]

I've never seen this, thanks

[torn drift]

I need to nail my hyper hops

[magic harness]

Good graphic so I pinned!

[magic harness]

Also since I'm here, a link to the graphic LJ posted and OMF has brought up quite a few times
#1021448500518584341 message

It is in the pins already

Sigh in case the link isn't working for you guys. On mobile rn so I don't know if it's just me.

[sinful herald]

No shit? Wow I thought you had definitely watched the Dandy J video based on how you play

[torn drift]

Who?

[sinful herald]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3KVgI1LvU

[torpid quarry]

Ban smoke

So we can make jokes about him getting smoked

[torn drift]

@obtuse dock wtf my nessa guide bro

I’ve been waiting for it

[obtuse dock]

You're better at it, go for it

Also I'm lazy

[torn drift]

No

Ike

Like

I need it bro

Idk what tf to do with her

[obtuse dock]

I'll pull a Daru move and say, idk man if you have something specific ask me

[obtuse dock]

Punch

[torn drift]

Mai traps you with her huge ||normals||

Angel smacks you with her massive ||mix-ups||

Vanessa?

[torn drift]

You know Daru only gets away with that because he’s likable right?

[obtuse dock]

Yeah well... you're...you're an ||amazing friend||

[obtuse dock]

Howl here asking for a guide that is pure text and complains that the video I posted was pure text @grizzled heart

[torn drift]

Bro

No

I can interact with text

A yt video that is just text feels like

https://tenor.com/view/wall-talking-talking-to-self-alone-lonely-gif-5869985

Because you can say oh get used to canceling blah blah blah

And I can go back and be like wait why? How? How come?

[obtuse dock]

You can modify the play speed

[torn drift]

And I can learn

[torn drift]

Everyday

I grow closer to just deleting the server

[obtuse dock]

I'm not posting a guide for nessa until you watch the video I posted

[torn drift]

Dead ass

Like I have your word on that

Full nessa guide

If I watch

[obtuse dock]

Yes

(I'll just transcribe the video to text)

[sinful herald]

It’s ok I posted the gold standard of KOF fundamentals video and he ignored that too

[obtuse dock]

Oh then screw howl

[torn drift]

Bro

No

Imma watch

But I need to learn Vanessa

Understand hops and how oki work can help me enrich my life later

For now

What nessa doing

[obtuse dock]

You overestimating my knowledge on nessa

[torn drift]

No you’re underestimating my lack of knowledge

[obtuse dock]

That doesn't make sense

[torn drift]

Fixed

[sinful herald]

Real talk I think it’s the other way around but no one’s forcing you to watch.

It’s not a knock anyway I rewatch it from time to time myself it’s really good

[torn drift]

You know you’re probably right

But I like being wrong

[rancid marlin]

Wow ok

[grizzled heart]

I really can’t with this dude jack lol, he will never lock it in

[torn drift]

@obtuse dock nessa guide

link?

[obtuse dock]

What did you expect, he's 15

[obtuse dock]

Scroll up on #1021190333771558962

[torn drift]

[rancid marlin]

I genuinely be on KOF brain dead asf

[torn drift]

And here I am trying my hardest

[torn drift]

@lament mirage how you feeling about your game now

Last time we talked you were a bit down

[lament mirage]

My game?

In what way?

[torn drift]

Like you feel you’ve gotten better

Improved

[lament mirage]

Uh...

Yes and no?

I feel my mechanical skill hasn't but my inward understanding has

So now its a matter of time to reevaluate my playstyle in accordance

[torn drift]

Let’s goooo

[grizzled heart]

Based

Cien is savage with it now

Always has been

[lament mirage]

Bruh wym?

@grizzled heart

Whatchu talking abt?

[grizzled heart]

bro is Od at not taking a compliment tho

[torn drift]

Cien OS

[grizzled heart]

On god

[warped pine]

Ok... so I just got steamrolled, almost OCV'd by a Terry that exclusively used CD and burn knuckle the entire match. I went and tried it myself vs CPU level 4 and it worked.

Is this a viable strategy? 😅

[torpid quarry]

Idk

[grizzled heart]

No offense to any of the Terry’s in here, but Burn Knuckle seems like one of the few moves you could prolly spam and get away with

I need to lab and really understand it more

seems like Leona’s grand saber to me where it can be a very “fuck it” skip neutral type move

Anybody else clarify on whether this is true, like I said I really have to get in there and take a closer look at the move and all it’s variants

I know the heavy version is unsafe

Sometimes hard to visually judge for me in the heat of battle tho

[plush delta]

Burn knuckle can be made safe at the right distance. Grand saber is safer but can be hit before Leona reaches you (but good luck differentiating it from her normal run). The most safe is Shunei light orange punch which is always safe

Andy wishes his elbows are this safe though you can make the light elbow relatively safe by doing it at the right distance (harder than making burn knuckle safe imo)