KOF Coaching

[warm hollow]

Awesome, gives me something to work on to get started at least. Thanks!

[obtuse dock]

I can at least help @plush delta writing down the Clark tips, so he can cover and write less

[plush delta]

Go for it!

[warm hollow]

Would be helpful. I think I have a 0% win rate vs Clark haha

[obtuse dock]

So with Clark it's all about Guessing, he can jump in and grab you, jump in and armor grab you, armor grab you on your wake up, armor grab/normal grab on his wakeup, run in and Frankenstein your ass, but, All of his moves mean nothing if you hop, he then just stands there waiting for the punish, also don't full jump on him unless you jump with a quick move, because he'll j.D and then catches you with an EX grab, so hop in all the time, when you're waking up, either wake up hop, or backwash, when he wakes up, hop.
Obviously Clark players can adjust to people hopping all the time, he can Gatling punch you or elbow uppercut into grab, but usually it takes quite some time to adjust

[plush delta]

This is good advice

Clark can do close D to counter the hops

[warm hollow]

This is good stuff. I'm not very consistent with my hops so I end up jumping and eating exactly what you said. Time to hard-core lab my hop game

[obtuse dock]

It takes sometime, I'm not used to hopping all the time yet

What controller or peripheral you're using?

[warm hollow]

Hori Octa PS5 controller at the moment, but also have DS4 and PS5 pads I've used in the past

[obtuse dock]

Also @warm hollow some tip for execution would be to set the training dummy for 1-hit block, so you practice your jump ins and combos overall, if the PC blocks then you're to slow

For pad a good tip for hops is to run and just slide your finger up off the d pad

Run+tap up=hyper hop

[warm hollow]

That makes sense

[obtuse dock]

And if you want to train your hit confirms set the dummy to block on random, try to start your pressure but if you se the dummy blocking don't overextend your combo, only go full combo once you see the hit land

[warm hollow]

And yeah I've done the block practice. I mean more if I need to do Andy's cl.C > 4A > 236A > 236314A/C confirm I mash the motions really hard in excitement and drop it after the 4A or something

[warped pine]

I practice the dummy with blocking the first hit to see which ones I can quickly spam

[warm hollow]

I've done this too and it helped a TON

Need to do it more tbh

[obtuse dock]

Sometimes I get nervous, I start my pressure and don't expect to hit, but suddenly one hits and I don't know what to do and miss the opportunity lol

[warm hollow]

This but 90% of the time hahaha. Hit confirm practice is helping

[sinful herald]

@obtuse dock don’t know if you’ve seen this yet but you may find it interesting @warm hollow

[obtuse dock]

Oh yeah I've seen it, basically Clark's gameplan

[torn drift]

Clarks plan?

[sinful herald]

Yeah it was made by a Clark main over on FGCB. Obviously still a guessing game against him but this is handy for narrowing it down a bit. We all still get grabbed tho lol

[torn drift]

I didn’t think Clark’s had thoughts

[sinful herald]

I mean…this is more for after the initial screw up of letting him near you. Because when you’re flying by the seat of your pants, nothing sounds more official than Plan B

For example tho, I didn’t know he could be grabbed out of the startup of Frankensteiner

[snow beacon]

More than Kula

[torn drift]

Lol true fuck Kula players

[snow beacon]

Naw just the character. You’re cool

[snow beacon]

@sinful herald tho…

[torn drift]

Wholesome senpai

[torn drift]

Fax

[sinful herald]

Fax what lol

[torn drift]

You’re weird

[snow beacon]

Facts*

[torn drift]

My bad

Alexa

Urban dictionary fax

[torn drift]

@plush delta @raven ridge @snow beacon this is how I need to play

[plush delta]

Need to hop consistently

[torn drift]

Yeah I see that

That goes for luong too

Angel kinda gets away with full jumps as she gets either cross ups or double over heads off them

[grizzled heart]

anybody gotta any good short cuts for hopping in the heat of battle

I be trying to tap down back after a jump should I just tap down?

[plush delta]

You wanna do up down, but I can’t hop either

[grizzled heart]

so like up forward up down?

[plush delta]

Up forward then back down I believe

[grizzled heart]

Thank u boss 🫡

[snow beacon]

Everyone

[snow beacon]

Pad?

[grizzled heart]

Yes sir

[snow beacon]

Sometimes I like to press forward then flick up forward quickly

Or back > up/back

[snow beacon]

Useful while closing in on zoners

[warm hollow]

@plush delta Not while you're busy or anything, but would you mind throwing me some notes? I'm sure I'm not seeing as many mistakes as you

[plush delta]

Yes I can do that in a bit

[plush delta]

Okay just based on things I’ve observed. Looks like you are most comfortable staying on one side of the screen and kinda doing mid range counters (like how you play shoto Ryu in sf where you do fireball then dP when they jump in). You’re kinda letting the opponent control the match pace which is not a good thing in KoF. You can be defensive with characters like Leona, Meit and the zoners like king and o Shermie, but for most characters, you need to do pressure and mix your opponent

Your fundamentals are really solid though and as I mentioned you have a good idea on spacing which is important

Just needs to take advantage of that understanding

I do think you need to work on defending jump ins

And to incorporate air movements. This is very important for Isla.

For Luong, you really need to be aggressive and mix it in. Notice how I do a lot of air flip kicks when I played her. You can then use her good frames to start her combos with 2B or 5C

And also to use ex moves for your combos

That’s like rait’s whole gameplan. He takes advantage of his ex moves for pressure and knowledge checks you with them by spamming safe moves and frame traps

Ryo especially has a lot of them with his light dp

I wish I could give more advise for Andy but I recommend playing against @obtuse dock and @snow beacon and let them give Andy advice

I can suggest learning to do the kick super cancel after the elbow

You can do ex elbow heavy elbow kick super

[warm hollow]

Follow-up question because you're 1000% right - I've been trying to do more like 2A/2B light confirms, I just feel like I get the first hit or two and then get stuffed by a poke or reversal before I can get the next move out, so I get scared and back up to that mid-range where I feel like I can space it out better and I'm more comfortable. Is that just from dropping combos or am I missing something somewhere?

Like I get anxious about trying to mix it up because I feel like I'm just randomly eating DPs and crouch pokes every time I try something. It happened against Ryo a couple times where I'd like 2A > 2A and then he'd just throw something out that caught me and I'm not sure where I'm messing up that it keeps happening.

@plush delta Really appreciate the super detailed write-up though!

[plush delta]

If you’re getting stuffed by then then yes you are dropping the combo. 2B 2A combos are hard. I definitely suggest picking characters with 2B mash instead but it will make you a better player if you master it

2As are stubby too so you can only do so much of them before you get out of range

[grizzled heart]

@plush delta what do u think I can work on ?

🥺🥺🥺 tell me coach

[plush delta]

Were you doing 2A 2A into special? It should work if you don’t drop it

[grizzled heart]

any specific pointers for Vanessa as well if u have any

[warm hollow]

2B 2B except with Isla because her 2B doesn't cancel into specials

[plush delta]

You’re showing great improvement from what I’ve seen. I think working on movement is important. Like using rolls and running around and super jumps. It would help you a lot in opening up the opponent. You already have the combos so you just need to be able to put yourself in situations where you can start them! That said, both your kyo and Iori are great with their light starters!

[plush delta]

Ah okay, then if it’s Luong and you weren’t comboing to the 214BD then you are dropping the combo. Should be an easy fix though! Just get more comfortable with it either through matches or training and it will come with time!

[plush delta]

I’m not a good Vanessa player but you have to be very aggressive with her and really rushdown your opponent I think to take advantage of her strengths

[plush delta]

I think you can use her 3D slide move more as a way to catch your opponent

[warm hollow]

Awesome man thank you so much for the help!!!

[grizzled heart]

hell yeah thanks always for the advice Oli!

I’m trying not to be as roll happy I feel like for a sec I was facing a lotta MU’s where I’d have to roll so I kinda picked up just rolling too much as a bad habit

[plush delta]

Also don’t get anxious about dropping combos. At this stage, you’re not playing to win but playing to learn and playing to incorporate muscle memory. Playing scared will only slow down your learning

Just go for it and it will come

[grizzled heart]

I wish leona had better combos from light starters 🥺

[plush delta]

Yes predictable rolling is bad as it can be punished hard. I would say it’s important to vary your movement options and keep the opponent guessing

[warm hollow]

Big time needed to hear this, thank you. I'm normally a very defensive player in competitive games so that's my comfort zone, so I keep just sliding back into it whenever I get tense. Definitely need to full send it more to get the reps in 💪

[plush delta]

That said, if you feel more comfortable playing defensive, you can always pick defensive characters and zoners if they suit your style more

I play Meiten very defensively and barely do any combos with him

Leona is a fantastic fantastic defensive character

[warm hollow]

Yeah definitely a good idea I'm just trying to expand my skillset more. I'm worried if I do like Heidern / Leona / Meit I'll only get good at that single playstyle, so I'm trying to get more mix-up / all-rounder / rushdown experience to really round out my game

[plush delta]

Being aggressive suits KoF but having good defensive fundamentals is important. As I said, you need to recognize jump ins and be able to defend them. Also learning when you can punish certain moves is important. But that comes with time and matchup knowledge. You can always ask questions for that aspect

[grizzled heart]

Heidern is good defensive too

[plush delta]

Yeah I respect it! Which is why it’s nice KoF allows you to pick 3 characters! I play 3 different style with my main team! 4 if I include Robert whom I’m training to be main

[grizzled heart]

The only thing I didn’t like about Heidern that made me drop him is I felt he was kind of Sluggish compared to Leona

[plush delta]

Yeah he’s slower and more defensive oriented while Leona can be more offense oriented and still be safe

[grizzled heart]

yeah I like that leona can switch between for sure it’s very nice

I’ve been trying to play her more offensively recently

J.c awesome button 🤭

[plush delta]

I’m a defensive player in nature as well which is why I put meit in anchor as I feel most comfortable playing him . I play Clark mid and I have to be very aggressive with him.

[warm hollow]

I'm also avoiding charge input characters just for a little bit, to be fair. I've only ever fiddled with motion input stuff and I feel like I have enough stuff to work on in my basic game before I incorporate a different input type

[grizzled heart]

they aren’t as hard as u think they are tbh

Charge times in KOF aren’t hardcore they’re 30 frames

[plush delta]

I find charge input combos definitely to be harder to do

[warm hollow]

Nah I've done combo trials and stuff I'm just trying to reserve as much brain space as possible in a match for learning the game itself.

[grizzled heart]

plus it’s not like SF where certain charge characters will have a super input that’s a charge like the guile ones so they’re all motion

I hear that

[warm hollow]

They're more unintuitive to my brain at the moment for sure. If you gave me a few days I could probably get used to it but that's time I could be grinding matchups and getting more universal game knowledge

Only so many hours in a day gotta maximize those KOF gains

https://giphy.com/gifs/michelob-ultra-beer-runners-cue-the-training-montage-1s77RjtK2AlJZktJe4

[plush delta]

True that lol! I would definitely recommend maximizing your play time with your 3 characters if you want

[warped pine]

I don't like being completely exposed in one sentence 😅

[grizzled heart]

oh this makes sense haha

When I would watch u play rait I’d be like how tf is this working but u Lowkey got a method to the madness

love him or hate him the homie is pressing buttons and it’s WORKING 😤

[warm hollow]

He's so evolved he doesn't even see the Matrix code any more.

[grizzled heart]

On god bro

[torn drift]

@lament mirage @plush delta @sinful herald @raven ridge @rancid marlin any advice from yesterday besides be better forehead?

[plush delta]

I think you should be the one providing advise at this point 🙂 you have worked hard and grinded for improvement far more than anyone here!

But as I told you! I think i like the Luong more than your Kula now!

I think @rancid marlin would agree. Possibly @raven ridge too

[warm hollow]

@torn drift You made it bro. 👏

[raven ridge]

Using EX's after a blockstring is v good, just gotta know when/appropriate time to

But yknow what, everyone here is pretty aggressive so you can definitely check someone with it. @warped pine

[torn drift]

Thanks oli I guess I don’t think about it like that

[raven ridge]

@torn drift just work on Mai at this point lol

Then I'll torch you and your character traits after

[torn drift]

Thanks coach I will

Next set I’m taking it and I’ll 2-3 against Daru

But @plush delta I’m still very open to taking advice criticism from every single player here I don’t put myself above anyone

[sinful herald]

Basically what Oli said. There’s another Mai I play against and they use 5C after block strings to check an opponent’s aggression. All I’ll say is that it’s super annoying lol

[torn drift]

Yeah I need to do that way more

And super canceling

I had a problem we’re I meter dumped and left mai meterless but I’m getting there

[warped pine]

I can't take credit for this, it's what lacid does when he uses Ash and runs out of meter 😅

[lament mirage]

Far more

Yknow what?

Fair

[torn drift]

@lament mirage you’ve improved a lot as well

[lament mirage]

Just that Oli be saying that to just anyone, huh?

Yesterday I was the one with the grind gold

Oh how times have changed

Woe is me

[torn drift]

Didn’t he say you and howl? Or just you I think he said besides maybe howl but I might be tripping

[lament mirage]

He said me and I brought up you I think

[torn drift]

Oh

Idk man we’re both on that grind 🤝

[grizzled heart]

You don’t think I’ve improved bro 🥺

[plush delta]

Haha Cien taking this personally against you @torn drift why don’t I say you both have grinded for improvement equally as hard?

[grizzled heart]

Cien hates me I guess 🥺

[torn drift]

I hop he does take it personal if it helps fire him up

I want him at his best

[plush delta]

Im not Cien but your improvement has been huge. For the first few months when you started it was slow, but then you took a massive leap.

[grizzled heart]

I’m just trolling haha

Cien like the type of guy you can’t help but root for because he wears his heart on his sleeve 💯🫡

[torn drift]

I will say @lament mirage you fixate on getting hit with the j.c too much im still landing it on the bess of em. My jumping patterns and offense have adapted so while it feels like you’re falling for it for months I’ve also learned better how to land them

[plush delta]

Which anime character is he most like?

[grizzled heart]

Don’t ask me this haha I barely watch anime

[plush delta]

I thought he adapted really well against the angel in the last set but forgot how to fight the Mai

[plush delta]

Okay I’ll ask howl

[torn drift]

I agree rewatching it I noticed he was too stuck on getting the j.c hit

And it doesn’t mean he hasn’t improved

@plush delta I know he’ll hate this but he’s like deku from MHA

https://tenor.com/view/deku-gif-25157901

[grizzled heart]

oooo bro

This is why I didn’t answer Oliver’s question 😅

[plush delta]

I don’t watch MhA but isn’t deku the lead guy? Why would he hate it?

[torn drift]

Cien isn’t super optimistic like Naruto

[grizzled heart]

I’d say Cien is like a way more capable Isidro from Berserk

[torn drift]

Because deku is full of a lot of self doubt and the show kinda portrays him a little too cry baby ish

But that’s not what I mean by it

Just super heart in his sleeve and displays a lot of self doubt but still wants to be the best

[grizzled heart]

Cien actually reminds me of Kuwabara

From YuYu Hakusho

Yeah that comparison is OD

[torn drift]

You watched more anime than me

[grizzled heart]

You don’t know YYH bro?

Figures I’m a little older than you

Type of stuff I grew up watching on Toonami

It’s really good, I’ve not seen HunterXHunter but it’s the same guy

[sinful herald]

YuYu is one of the goats

[plush delta]

That does sound like Cien! He is an anime protagonist

[torn drift]

That’s what I’m saying!

[lament mirage]

Not 24 hours ago I'm the Villain, now I'm the protagonist

I'm almost done with work, soon as I rest I'm beating all y'all

[lament mirage]

It just ain't the same

[plush delta]

Cien always has that energy each nite

[grizzled heart]

Cien did u ever watch YuYu Hakusho

[lament mirage]

No

[grizzled heart]

damn bro

[lament mirage]

It's on my list

I'm in between like 7 anime rn

[grizzled heart]

cool series for sure

[lament mirage]

And 4 mangas

Idk the names, I just know Sabat is there

[grizzled heart]

Idk how u keep up , berserk and chainsaw man came back and I read the first chapter back and then I fell off big time

[lament mirage]

"I don't care if she's a girl"

[grizzled heart]

This the guy you remind me of in the blue, Kuwabara

He’s OD

[plush delta]

Lol he’s a funny character

[grizzled heart]

Oli how old r u aren’t we like around the same age

[plush delta]

He’s the quissential second banana/loyal best friend/funny rival character. Think of a funnier ryuji from persona 5 @lament mirage

[plush delta]

No I’m above 30, same as the boomers group like eljay/jack/etc

[grizzled heart]

ohhhhh okay figures haha

[plush delta]

I know you’re 25 I think but you seem to know a lot of the boomer stuff

[grizzled heart]

I’m in the mid tier age w/ Cherry and mac

[plush delta]

Yeah

[grizzled heart]

I enjoy discovering shit 😤

[plush delta]

Nah I think you’re cool because of it!

I actually thought you were a boomer like us because you seem to know so much

[grizzled heart]

Yeah I just usually get into whatever interest I have super hard

Had always been interested in fighting games you know so trying to make up for lost time

[plush delta]

You know way more old school stuff than many of us and that’s awesome

[warm hollow]

I feel you dude I've always loved watching them but never felt like I would be any good until I bought KOF and said screw it haha

[grizzled heart]

it was Tekken for me

KOF my first 2D

[lament mirage]

Whomstde

[lament mirage]

I said it every time it happened

[torn drift]

No I’m saying don’t fixate on that

I’m a slippery bastard

I land my j.c

[lament mirage]

I'm not fixated

I say it every time it happens

[torn drift]

It’s ok thought because you’re improving

That’s Shermie cancel is consistent now

[lament mirage]

If I say it a lot, then I'm getting hit by it a lot

[torn drift]

How you liking mai?

[lament mirage]

Still too early to tell

Remember it takes me like 3 months to do ok neutral

[torn drift]

How you liking my mai 😁

Same

[lament mirage]

AYO WHO THE FUCK IS THIS BITCH?!

[grizzled heart]

He’s OD dude trust me

[grizzled heart]

You can’t tell me that pic doesn’t go hard

[lament mirage]

He looks like a hood Atreus

Or

Atreus looks like high middle class version of Isidro

[grizzled heart]

Is Atreus GOW guys son

aka BOY

[lament mirage]

"Guy's"

pain

That's Motherfucking KRATOS

And yes, to your question

[grizzled heart]

bro I never played a GOW haha

[torn drift]

@spring relic @torpid quarry @runic rain I have Tns tomorrow so I would appreciate if you guys text me the notations to any combos you guys might know for luong ángel and mai respectively if you guys have time please if not it’s ok. Even if they’re bnbs I already know I would like to make a definitive list like I said you guys can’t I understand

[runic rain]

You know Angel already though

But gotcha!

[torn drift]

thank youuu

[runic rain]

You get the sweats I'm guessing?

[torn drift]

just trying to make a definitive list i can get tatted

[torn drift]

wym?

[runic rain]

You get nervous and go blank on combos during tournaments

[torn drift]

oh im blanking rn lol and i have no tourney expirence lmao

[torpid quarry]

Do it for luong

[runic rain]

I... Fine

[lament mirage]

Oh

@plush delta

How can I be better than I was?

[plush delta]

I think you are adapting really well! I don’t really have any additional advice! Just keep calm and continue learning instead of being down on yourself 🙂

[plush delta]

Also I do like ft5 a lot as it allows for adjustments! I feel with ft2 or ft3, you can run away and sneak victories before the opponent can adjust and that can feel like cheating

[lament mirage]

@plush delta how were my hops

I forgor to ask that yesterday

[plush delta]

Eh. Didn’t really noticed it

[lament mirage]

Bruh

[plush delta]

They weren’t a factor if that’s what you were asking

[lament mirage]

Not what I was asking

But thanks

[torn drift]

@craggy gyro any advice

Anything you saw from our set

[obtuse dock]

Invest on assets, not liabilities

[torn drift]

Damn true advice

[obtuse dock]

Oh you meant KOF advice?

Sorry

[torn drift]

Too fucking bad I’m a liability

[grizzled heart]

here’s some advice: Find God

[torn drift]

Oh fuck

[grizzled heart]

You are in need of salvation

[torn drift]

It’s 10:30 @craggy gyro doesn’t wake up for another 2 hours

[torn drift]

Also @runic rain if you have any advice as well it’d be appreciated

@craggy gyro wake upppppp

Punk

[torn drift]

Damn

@craggy gyro woke up and took a nap

[craggy gyro]

oml good afternoon

im sorry 😭 @torn drift

[torn drift]

Bruh

Finally you woke up hella late

@craggy gyro any advice homie

[craggy gyro]

i woke up n went back 2 bed for a bit tbh

id say use angels and luongs jump CD more

[torn drift]

I knew it 🤣

[craggy gyro]

esp angels it has a good range

[torn drift]

Yeah it does

Thanks!

[craggy gyro]

yea np

[torn drift]

Anything else

[craggy gyro]

not rlly but if i go back i can @ you with more advice

keep up the grinding

[torn drift]

Thank you

[snow beacon]

UNDERSTANDING FRAME DATA

https://youtu.be/AdU-xTzOEYw

[grizzled heart]

Love brine

Brine and Sajam both got great vids on the fundies

[torn drift]

Bro said sajam and brine lol

That’s like saying @snow beacon and @obtuse dock

They’re the same person bro

[obtuse dock]

Different accounts though

[grizzled heart]

Yeah my bad…

Sajam and brine…

Eljay and jack…

Howl and the other awful angel players….

What???

Who said that???

[torn drift]

There is no other angel players

It’s only me

On my 12 monitors

[grizzled heart]

That’s crazy my hamster walked over my phone

[torn drift]

Why you think another one pops up every 4-5 months

That’s how long it takes me to buy another monitor

[grizzled heart]

Howl started begging every new player that comes into the server to play Angel so hard that he started making fake accounts to seem like there are more angels

[torn drift]

Cb was a social experiment but noticed how every angel is Mexican

I’m not good enough to do cross ethnicity or gender like eljay and jack

[snow beacon]

Just ethnicity here

[torn drift]

That’s true

[obtuse dock]

Just ethnicity here

[obtuse dock]

Howl started to make bets to other players so they use Angel as punishment

[warped pine]

I'm going to bed tired of looking for answers to this question, how tf are you supposed to counter Clark's armored command grab other than zoning?
I tried in training and the only thing that had any success are lucky timings of CDs and EX DPs, but that's not every time.
If I choose a character without projectiles, I'm just supposed to drop the controller? 😅

I will sweat it out to stop Jack's Clark or die trying (if it's a skill issue)

[snow beacon]

Neutral jumps … when he’s up close and you suspect the light backbreaker (with guard point). They avoid the throw, and upon landing you can perform a jump in for a combo punish

[plush delta]

As eljay says just jump straight up and do your biggest jump in punish

[snow beacon]

Clark is a masher’s nightmare, so rather than, let’s say, waking up buttons, you can neutral jump.

[plush delta]

Masher’s nightmare. You forgot who you’re talking too haha

[snow beacon]

Also, you can also “zone” with your normals. Space him out with pokes and anti-airs.

[snow beacon]

I’ve only played him once, and it was the laggiest match I’ve ever encountered, so couldn’t gauge his playstyle, but from all the jokes I’ve read, that’s why I chose those words hehe

[snow beacon]

If you do catch him “armoring” through some buttons, cancel those buttons into a DP or QM. The QM (assuming you have 2 bars to spare) will do somewhat of a time freeze so you can neutral jump after the QM activation.

[warped pine]

You guys are great. I dropped the question in here and wake up with answers.
Canceling into DP - that makes sense bc that was the only thing that was actually working for me
The only YouTube video I could find was just a compilation of a guy activating QM. That seems awfully wasteful of meter, even for me! 😅

[warped pine]

This explains why I see a lot of people say Clark is only a problem for beginners. He probably picked him specifically because I mash. Ok.....

[warped pine]

That also explains why Clark is NOT a problem when I have Maxima, I can't mash or stay too close to ANYONE because he's so damn slow 🤣

[torn drift]

You can break it if you have a fast character for example Kula 2b 2b 2b which is her normal combo starter breaks it, Luong does as well, Leona, ad I’m willing to bet Vanessa would too. However you’re using any other character just neutral jump you time your attack right you get combo

[warped pine]

Good to know, Kula is already on my lab list for today 😅

[torn drift]

Hell yeah! And mai right? Or she on a different list lol

[warped pine]

That's a different list. I'm going to lab using Kula myself

[torn drift]

Oh lol what list is that

[warped pine]

Just my troll Howl list. I somehow got through Angel and Luong yesterday, One more to go 🤣

[plush delta]

Haha you and @obtuse dock have a fun rivalry. Looking forward to seeing more of it!

[obtuse dock]

Hop like a bunny, this kills Clark entirely unless the Clark player adjusts but we're pretty ungabunga and won't adjust fast enough

[obtuse dock]

Damn Oli, in turning into howl, I'm starting to have rivalry with everyone

[plush delta]

Just howl and raitguy right? Who else?

[spring relic]

ahem

Neutral hop is the Clark killer

A forward hop will get you killed

[plush delta]

I really feel Kula is perfect for you cause you can mash 2B into ex tatsu and be safe

[warped pine]

You're not getting away with what you did to me yesterday 🤣🤣🤣

[obtuse dock]

Eljay, khrism, trip

[obtuse dock]

Let's have it! I'm looking forward to the challenge

[plush delta]

Eljay is your rival?? Isn’t he your secret identity?

[obtuse dock]

In fear of sounding too "howly" I want to be the best ryo in the server, Eljay currently holds that title

[spring relic]

The one upside of being the Billy main

I shall forever remain unopposed haha

[plush delta]

Oh no, a rivalry among the Ryos haha

[plush delta]

Gonna be tons of billy mains after he gets buffed in the patch

[obtuse dock]

Rivalry and competition are fun, more so because we're not really that serious

[plush delta]

Do you mind sharing the replay of your fight with @warped pine as well? (In addition to the one against howl). I can see and maybe give some pointers to raitguy

[spring relic]

Depends on the buffs. Fingers crossed he isn’t cursed like Anji.

[plush delta]

That’s Ramon

[spring relic]

Seriously, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a character get such a laundry list of buffs that amount to nothing

[warped pine]

It was just me trying every attack one by one and getting armor slammed through 3 characters 🤣

[obtuse dock]

With raitguy we had many matches, we were doing ft3s but when more people joined we switched to ft1

@plush delta I just got to work but when I get home I'll find out how to share the replay

[plush delta]

Cheers bud!

[obtuse dock]

If you already know how to share them please let me know

[plush delta]

Do you have a linked YouTube account to your ps? If so, you can view the replay from personal replays then click the ps share button and save the last x minutes that you need. Then select the share option and post to your YouTube

[obtuse dock]

Is a yt account the same as a yt channel?

I have an account but I don't know if that means that I have a channel I can upload to

[plush delta]

You should be able to I think. I believe it’s the same

[obtuse dock]

Ok, I'll try it today

[torn drift]

Let’s goooo!

I want more people with this mentality especially if we can maintain a good healthy attitude towards each other

[obtuse dock]

Yeah, healthy competition

[plush delta]

“Healthy” competition

[warped pine]

Healthy except for Clark, all my homies hate Clark 😅

[obtuse dock]

I love Clark

[warped pine]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-crying-ok-gif-13242352

[snow beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[plush delta]

Clark brothers!

[obtuse dock]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-handshake-group-handshake-gif-13278054

All 3 of us

[plush delta]

I like how other character specialists want to go all Highlander and be the best but us Clark bros just chilling

[obtuse dock]

Have any of you played the metal slug games where Clark and Ralf make an appearance?

[torn drift]

@mild parcel

[mild parcel]

[plush delta]

I just bought the DS version last Black Friday from my local Vintage store. Apparently Clark can do Argentine back breaker on the enemy and Ralf can do Vulcan Punch

[grizzled heart]

Leona can do moonslash too when she’s right next to the enemy

[obtuse dock]

Yes, I would backbreak everyone lol

I had it for the PSP I want to say

I don't recall

[snow beacon]

I’d get all Rey Mysterio, Jr. on everyone

https://tenor.com/view/rey-mysterio-hurricanrana-kurt-angle-wwe-summer-slam-gif-13189101

[snow beacon]

How to say you’re a boomer without saying you’re a boomer

[warm hollow]

Yeah but to be fair the PSP slapped

[snow beacon]

Oh it definitely did! I loved mine! I miss the days of the homebrew 😅 I still have my roms

[obtuse dock]

Be thankful I didn't say the NES lol

[torn drift]

I’m no boomer

[snow beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/tina-fey-youths-30rock-nope-exit-gif-5234560

[torn drift]

I had a psp

[snow beacon]

Haha I’m not surprised. It’s actually not too old. If you said virtual boy though….

[torn drift]

Game boy is the oldest I go

We had a red one

[obtuse dock]

Please specify, GB, GBC or GBA?

[obtuse dock]

Dude I played a lot of virtual boy

[grizzled heart]

The boomers are really fact checking and verifying howl over here😂

[snow beacon]

Anyways, back to coaching.

I can see why you would think QM might be a big waste of meter, but when you QM, you can neutral jump and still get a fat punish with a super and maybe into climax

[obtuse dock]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-laughing-haha-gif-21919022

Eljay and i

[grizzled heart]

You’re the same person

[obtuse dock]

Yeah but you guys aren't 100% sure yet

[grizzled heart]

I am 😈

[snow beacon]

I’d say that’s meter well spent

[obtuse dock]

Lies

[torn drift]

A

Wait no

C

[obtuse dock]

I still have my og GB lol, was in pretty ok condition, like it worked fine, until my daughter got her hands on it

[snow beacon]

GBA was 🔥

[warped pine]

I still got this

[snow beacon]

Nintendo kills it in the handheld game

[torn drift]

They also kill their own fgc

🤣

Sorry that was a low blow

You wrong for that emote 😭

[snow beacon]

I didn’t. I played it at a local Toys R Us, and it gave me eye strain and a headache haha

[obtuse dock]

Oh wait, I thought you meant the emulator for PC lol, but I guess you meant the VR thing right?

[mild parcel]

[snow beacon]

Haha yup, the actual Virtual Boy device

[obtuse dock]

Yeah, the headaches gave it away

[lament mirage]

@rancid marlin any advice?

[rancid marlin]

Give me a min I’ll rewatch I got you and @grizzled heart the best I can.

[rancid marlin]

As I’m rewatching this, I have nothing to give you. But I’m so happy to see you sounding like you’re truly enjoying yourself these sets. You also played well with your characters too. This all seems very coincidental. Whatever it is you did last night keep doing this lol

[lament mirage]

I like how you say that and I didn't even take one match

That shit is funny

[rancid marlin]

We need to party up one of these days we play. Give yourself some credit.

[rancid marlin]

chizuwu

[lament mirage]

Wym?

[lament mirage]

If you ever in your life, I'm just not gonna stream

[plush delta]

@lament mirage I think it’s worth it to train your muscle memory so that you always do the EX command grab for Shermie instead of regular. Being able to cancel into the lvl 2 super means you can do close to 450 damage each time for 2 1/2 bars. Which means at anchor, Shermie can do 900 damage with 2 touch. This is worth it especially if you have trouble doing jumpins against opponents like Daru.

You can choose also to not cancel into super and just cancel to 2D into axle for the oki

Now if you are able to do the micro dash after the ex command grab then you would be unstoppable, but that shit’s hard

Anyways I think doing the ex command grab will greatly level up your anchor Shermie

Think how many times your Shermie died without spending meter

[rancid marlin]

I like your advice. It's like @lament mirage you're asking me how to win. Idk how to interpret this sorry. Cause he's getting hits off and stuff, anti airs, character KOs. Idk

[spring relic]

Next step is consistently cashing out

That counter-intuitively dilutes potential salt for me

Knowing that even though I lost, had I been on point I missed 2 or 3 potential kill opportunities

[paper crown]

Hello KoF chat

[plush delta]

Hello mr mod! How’s your KoF progress? Ready to face people here?

[paper crown]

Oh wait this is the coaching channel lmao

It’s going fine

Haven’t really picked up converting simple stuff yet

[warm hollow]

@plush delta Not sure who else to ask, but do you have any content creator recommendations for picking up the game? I have a lot of time at work where I can throw a video up on my second monitor and I'm trying to find good KOF guides I can have on in the background

[spring relic]

JuiceBox_FGC

Even his KOF XIII guides are still relevant, useful, and applicable to XV

Also, in case it hasn’t been recommended to you yet, I give you the KOF Bible:

https://youtu.be/r75Lz1Drp8g

[warm hollow]

This I believe I did stumble across on my own but honestly it wouldn't hurt to give it a rewatch

[plush delta]

Yeah juicebox would be the best guide as does the Dandy J videos. I also just watch match videos of the characters I use

[warped pine]

I usually have this running on a monitor during the day. I learn something new every day https://www.youtube.com/@Lacid_kof

[lament mirage]

I mean, Shermie doing numbers but what abt Beni King?

Surely I can get better there

[spring relic]

Are you using Beni’s command grab?

[lament mirage]

Yeah

You can see it on stream

[lament mirage]

Watch my newest stream

[lament mirage]

I mean like

I don't think I'm at the point where "just guess better" is all the advice I can get yet

I feel like I need one or two more places of focus

[plush delta]

Do QM

[lament mirage]

Ok

[sinful herald]

Pretty much this, I put my controller down at one point because I was sure I was dead. Shermie is crazy with the damage

[sinful herald]

Also this for me. I’ll get a hit and miss the link or get a combo and drop supers

@warm hollow here’s a good one for stealing tech and learning matchups. Can take some digging but worth it. Also has top player specific playlists so if you see a player who uses one of your characters you can watch a bunch of their sets

https://m.youtube.com/c/KOFXVReplays

This one is great for entry level tech and safe jumps

https://m.youtube.com/@bcole_fgc5687

[lament mirage]

I never put my controller down

There were two three? times I was scratching myself and there were unfortunate resets

I just always use my left hand for that

[warm hollow]

Thanks man!

[sinful herald]

It was a figure of speech lol neither do I

[sinful herald]

Yeah buddy 🔥

[warm hollow]

@torpid quarry @runic rain Not to bother y'all but anything you noticed specifically today I should keep in mind?

[sinful herald]

Definitely check out B_ColeFGC his page is chock full of info and in 3-5 minute bites. Perfect for rewatching

[warm hollow]

You the best

[torpid quarry]

Don’t do ex luong dp, practice short hopping i liked your isla combo you didn’t drop them like me. Also when you’re anti airing react rather than guess i do it too so no worries

[warm hollow]

Much appreciated, thank you

[rancid marlin]

I think I’ve said this in the past, but Maybe work on the light confirms for Beni. Like like the 2B 2B into whatever. Or 2B 2A whichever works for you. I think Beni has a more advanced route I haven’t really played him that much. Like 2A into 2C. King I would say the same but she’s much easier.

[sinful herald]

Having this dumb issue with low light confirms because I’ll be pressing while holding down-back and then won’t get a full 214 for the combo. That’s why I drop those so often, gotta break that habit

It’s like, I know I can’t block and press at the same time so I dunno know why I do it

[rancid marlin]

Yeah for characters I play I’ll usually 2B 5B if I can it’s a lot easier. Or 2B 2A or 5A. Jenet you can literally do hella hits cause all her stuff is cancelable it depends.

[sinful herald]

I remember you saying that @rancid marlin afaik none of my characters have that option. Maybe Chris does buy he’s super new

With Liz her best confirms are actually 2B > 5B or 2A > 5B but it’s a super tight window and easy to accidentally get her counter move

[rancid marlin]

Yeah with her got to be very quick to get DP launch and precise at that

[sinful herald]

Yup she’s best when the player can consistently do one hit confirms which are risky for me at this point lmao

[rancid marlin]

Could always utilize her fast low kicks but those are probably even hard to confirm off of

[sinful herald]

Nah you’re right her safest main meterless bnb is 2B mash into 214A

I really want her to take Roberts place but my neutral with her is no where near his rn

[rancid marlin]

Yeah Robert has the OD broomstick legs and fireball. Elizabeth has super fast 2B though. Pretty good air normals. I just realized I haven’t used her in so long she got dropped.

[sinful herald]

@rancid marlin 5D and 6B are really good buttons. Gotta get his CD in the mix more. Lol I got so much damage with a full health Liz only to lose the round

[rancid marlin]

Yeah he has a lot of range. But she’s kinda stubby, (or maybe linear?) on some of her normals have to reposition more

[sinful herald]

She’s kinda both it’s all about that first hit; still don’t know her neutral shrug

[snow beacon]

Don’t forget his 5B

[lament mirage]

SO MEEEEEEE

[sinful herald]

True felt like I broke up your rhythm with that a little last night. Gotta lab some follow ups to restart pressure after the reset

[snow beacon]

It is 0 on hit and -2 on block as a reference

[sinful herald]

I kid. This means if I hit and go for a heavy it’ll prob get beat by A or B mash right?

[snow beacon]

Depends on the distance, but if both in hitting distance, yes

[sinful herald]

Yeah ok. I think that’s a big issue with me, going for big buttons or sweeps and getting wacked for it

[snow beacon]

Yup. It’s not always about the big buttons. A light poke can harass and even lead into QM and big combo

[sinful herald]

The number of times I went for sweep and ate a hop combo from you and Daru last night was too damn high lol. Like I press and immediately regret it

[lament mirage]

Mood

[snow beacon]

You did the same to me when I spammed Ryo’s 2D~3D

[sinful herald]

I’m slowly getting better at doing short hop up close but still mostly guessing. If it hits tho, I totally meant to do it. Source: trust me bro

[lament mirage]

I need to do that

At least once

[sinful herald]

Don’t know about your characters but all of mine get a combo off j.D if it’s even remotely deep enough and j.B is actually kind of insane how high they can hit and still get a 2B confirm. Sometimes it works and I’m just shocked

[lament mirage]

Beni gets a full QM out of it

It's doing it is the problem

And Shermie's whole thing is j.C

J.D suffices

King does as well, I've practiced it enough to know

The problem is doing it, like I said

[sinful herald]

Ok cool you have some tools then. Yeah I don’t do QM either yet

Too high risk for the reward also not a huge fan of the scaling

[lament mirage]

I mean going for a hop punish

[sinful herald]

Ah gotcha

[lament mirage]

I've yet to do it

So hopefully one of these days

[snow beacon]

What exactly is high risk about QM?

[sinful herald]

Just dropping it and wasting 2 bar

It’s not forever just where I’m at now

[snow beacon]

Ah okay, so just user error. I thought you meant QM itself.

[sinful herald]

Nope skill issue

[lament mirage]

You can also use qm defensively

Bc ofc you can

[sinful herald]

Have you seen the video showing QM used to get out of Clark’s armor grab and then punish?

[snow beacon]

To make it worth it, I don’t even QM unless I have 3 bar so I can climax.

[sinful herald]

Yeah that makes sense. I did some tests super early on after getting the game and saw a big dip in damage (at least for my characters) so decided to not invest time in it right away

[lament mirage]

Bo but I've seen smth similar

QM can get you out of most armour situations it seems

[sinful herald]

Kula and Robert have garbage L3’s only really good for styling on a kill

[snow beacon]

Make sure to simplify the combo and number of hits to minimize scaling.

[lament mirage]

Aka why Krohnen does so much damage

And Shermie

[sinful herald]

Yeah for Shun its 5C > 6A > QM > 5C > 6A > 214A > super > climax but does way less damage than spending the 3 bar other ways. There’s prob a better way tho

[torn drift]

Sorry eljay

@plush delta we got kicked out

[lament mirage]

https://www.twitch.tv/cien_tekiou/v/1668849487?sr=a&t=1038s

@lethal shuttle vid one

https://www.twitch.tv/cien_tekiou/v/1669602546?sr=a&t=7092s

Vid 2

[spring relic]

Was cleaning out my phone and came across an infographic that I think will be useful to you all here:

[lament mirage]

Thanks

That feels good to see I understand it more

Like I can imagine situations I was in

And how it helps

[rancid marlin]

Yeah this my last one I’m super tired

Wrong char

[snow beacon]

#1021451554739462258

[grizzled heart]

Bro was tired fr

[lament mirage]

@lethal shuttle may I get an analysis?

[lethal shuttle]

Honestly nah. Migraine rn

[lament mirage]

I was that bad?

[lethal shuttle]

No?

[lament mirage]

Oh

Ok

Thanks for the games!!

[sinful herald]

Saved thanks

[warm hollow]

@plush delta @torpid quarry other than my complete inconsistency on anti-airing, any thoughts? More patience on defense and more anti-airs I have noted but I'm sure there was more

[torpid quarry]

Aight so The only advice I can give you is for luong stop doing 214b or D for a anti air punish or low punish especially the ex one and another thing try not to dodge too much it’s a bad habit sometimes it does give you good punishes but it’s not worth it

[warm hollow]

Yeah I was channeling my inner Sonic the Hedgehog today

[torpid quarry]

As for the zoning try to space yourself in a way you’re not all that punishable gotta shmoove around

Also you’re too dp happy sometimes idk if it’s a misinput but you place them in some wild places 💀

[warm hollow]

Half mis-input half trying to get used to using them more for anti-airs so I sort of panic input it as a read instead of on reaction

[plush delta]

Trip gave a lot of good advice already but I would repeat what he said about not staying in one place and letting the opponent dictate where you want to be. Use your different movement options including running, rolls and super jumps (hops too but they are hard).

[warm hollow]

Good stuff guys thank you much

[plush delta]

KoF is very offense oriented so if you can maintain pressure and make the opponent scramble, you are at an advantage

Recognize how to block jumpins is of upmost importance. Anti airing them is good but sometimes they are hard to react to so it’s better that you are used to being able to block them

[grizzled heart]

I think one important thing to add is to know when to switch between offense and defense as well, I know I have a problem w/ this sometimes where I’m just blocking and not really getting started, but again knowing when to take ur turn will come with time, also a lot of good options to just forcefully end the opponents turn like GC roll/blowback

[warm hollow]

I'm trying to get used to the idea of reacting to the overhead instead of holding crouch block and I'm getting more consistent at it

[warm hollow]

Yeah I'm struggling with that a lot but I'm getting better. I know people are still using the kid gloves with me which I appreciate but it feels good that the games are getting closer

[grizzled heart]

I don’t use the kid gloves w/ u bro 😤

or with anybody

I be getting my ass beat too 😳

[warm hollow]

Same though 👍we need a for real ft5 soon

[grizzled heart]

Yeah once I’m back from my break

We can run one ft5 w/ each of my teams

[plush delta]

Yeah you got better with guarding them towards the end of the set. Blocking crossups is another whole level too haha. Usually I try to avoid situations where opponent can do that to me. And to do that, you need to be constantly moving

[warm hollow]

Rolling forward definitely helped in the short term until I can start developing the skill more

[plush delta]

Nah you had some nasty matches. There was one game your Andy totally destroyed my Robert and Robert is my alt main

[grizzled heart]

I need to lab Robert

I must end his reign of terror

[plush delta]

Whip has a very stupid crossup. Angel yashiro Heidern and Shermie too. You can learn to guard them but rolling away or forward when they do their jumpins should help you avoid them

[warm hollow]

I appreciate that man I'm feeling the improvements for sure

[plush delta]

He is straightforward. I think you might enjoy learning him

[grizzled heart]

Leona also has a crazy cross up

[grizzled heart]

No 🚫😤

[warm hollow]

Lots of character knowledge I'm lacking for sure but it's all there in time

[grizzled heart]

I just want to know how to beat him

what’s Yash’s really good CU button???

[plush delta]

He’s not cool enough for you 😞😭

[grizzled heart]

Correct 😤

[plush delta]

Yeah right now, you are losing to a lot of knowledge checks. The more you play, the more you will close the gap on these

[plush delta]

Jump C

[plush delta]

Watch out for his 2B. I think that’s the most tricky thing about him? Otherwise he just has good buttons and pressure but pretty straightforward and not tricky

[grizzled heart]

Yeah he’s just aggressively solid

[plush delta]

He’s cool enough for yuri though

[grizzled heart]

Yuri is way cooler 😤

Cute couple, boring gameplay

[plush delta]

Yuri has a lot of sauce actually. Robert is vanilla

[grizzled heart]

Yeah Yuri is crazy

That’s a character that is actually tricky as fuck

Demon Flip is some serious shenanigans

[snow beacon]

@warm hollow don’t forget to simply walk to move around. People can get so caught up in rushing down or closing in they get clipped with fireballs while running or jumping randomly. A walking approach is powerful as it gives you time to assess and react.

[plush delta]

Might be next on my list of characters to learn now that I’m done with whip

[grizzled heart]

wow … only a few games and ur done with her…

She needs LOVE oliver

[plush delta]

Usually I just want to learn their basic BnB

[snow beacon]

I give enough

[grizzled heart]

I’m gonna steal ur lady

[warm hollow]

Awesome advice thanks

[snow beacon]

She don’t need no other mans

[plush delta]

I’m not trying to learn any advanced stuff. I only do that for my mains (and possibly Ramon)

[grizzled heart]

If I could learn those crazy Iori combos where they just stack damage w/ his qcb hcf super then I’d be a demon

I don’t understand how all that works tho

[snow beacon]

Best approach to learn mus

[plush delta]

You should give her a try though! I know you wanna focus on your mains but you saw the bullshit I was doing with her the other day

[grizzled heart]

yeah she’s on the list

[plush delta]

Yeah I wanna learn the whole cast. That would be impossible if i was gonna master all of them! I haven’t even mastered my mains!

[warm hollow]

My old karate instructor used to say there's no such thing as a true master because there's always something more to learn

[grizzled heart]

That’s the first step to greatness

Acknowledge what you don’t know, and you are ready to learn 😤🙌

[plush delta]

Honestly I’m doing very basic stuff with Athena and Meiten and they’re both my mains. Clark is the only one where I do more advanced stuff and even then they’re not crazy

[warm hollow]

He legitimately gave me the best advice of my life. I was getting frustrated doing certain forms because I was making basic mistakes and felt like I was backsliding a lot. He goes "No, you're only getting frustrated because you're starting to see the mistakes you were always making. Now you can start fixing them. Your frustration means you're starting to really learn things."

[grizzled heart]

That’s based

Martial arts so sick

I wanna learn one one day

Would be cool to learn Bajiquan

[warm hollow]

He was an awesome teacher for old high school me trying to figure out life

[grizzled heart]

One of my old man coworkers at my previous job was this dude named Victor who used to be like a Punk in Chicago during the 80’s, but later on he would start practicing Wing Chun and stuff, always sounded super cool

[warm hollow]

Hell yeah. My dad did karate for like 30 years (he's like a 4th degree black belt or something wild) and got me into it in high school for 3-4 years

[grizzled heart]

That’s based

What style was it?

Kyokushin always seemed cool to me

[warm hollow]

Matsubayashi Shorin-Ryu Karate

[grizzled heart]

Oh I gotta look that up 😤

[warm hollow]

Smaller style from Okinawa

Very all-around style. Very traditional.

[torn drift]

@sinful herald any advice hombre

[warm hollow]

@sinful herald if you got a second hit me with that sweet sweet feedback

[sinful herald]

Y’all are crazy lol but I’ll try

@torn drift I only play one other Mai and all I’ll say is, she’s a lot more aggressive than you are. Mai can bully with her normals (lots of them are plus) so do that; I’m not saying totally abandon backing off and whiff punishing (you get some great mileage off this!) just mix in some rush down because Mai can do it super easy and pretty freely. Your opponent won’t know what to expect next, are you going to back off or fly into their face? Angel saved our set today for you so think you’re good there! Can’t really speak on Luong but she seems like Shun (no strong reversal game) so prob best to keep mixing

[sinful herald]

With O. Shermie get (and keep) those kiss orbs on the screen as often as possible especially after you get a knockdown. You may not be doing damage but you severely limit your opponent’s movement options and will oftentimes catch stray hits. Fireball game looks good and you’re not spending all your meter. Keep that up

Luong same as Howl, don’t really have much for you. Trip is gonna be your best bet here otherwise, look her up on KOF XV replays and see what the pros are doing mix-wise (this is where I got most of my Shun stuff)

Andy looking stronger, just try not to be too predictable with the fireballs or you’ll eat a full jump in combo. Also practice canceling level ones into level twos, there were a couple times you had the meter and went straight to level 2 (and could have killed off the advance cancel)

For all your characters, I see lots of sweeps after my turn ended. A good opponent will catch onto that and hop in for a full combo. I’m guilty of doing this too, and I pay for it dearly. Start using low light confirms and also just waiting a spilt second can be advantageous as well. Overall you’re a completely different player than the first time we played on FGCB keep it up!

[warm hollow]

Tons of detail dude I appreciate you so much. Thank you!

[sinful herald]

No worries broski

[torn drift]

Thanks man

[torpid quarry]

@torn drift listen here you dumb whore you know why you opened me up so much with crossover 2b with Luong it’s because that’s not what I do when I play her. Where is 214 D cancel off of Luong JA???? Where is luong CD into 236 B D cancel????

I honestly can’t tell if your short hopping

Like you do this weird thing with Luong where you jump and J A into low multiple times but it has me thinking oh maybe he’ll go for her 214 D im ready to anti air it

[warm hollow]

furiously taking Luong notes

[torpid quarry]

But I don’t think you know that?

Use J A, and 214 D as a mix up tool like how you use J a into 2b and if it crosses up you get free mix if you do Close D into 236 b dash

[torn drift]

Sounds like a skill issue

[torpid quarry]

But that’s all I’m telling you you gotta figure out what I’m talking about in practice mode

[torn drift]

Yeah howls gonna lab

[grizzled heart]

Everybody get in here ‼️‼️‼️ the Luong players are arguing abt “Skill Issue’s” 😂

[torn drift]

Luong players have no skill

Except for @warm hollow

[warm hollow]

Some of us are arguing. Some of us are making popcorn

[grizzled heart]

Bro is due to switch any day w/ his talent

[warm hollow]

I prefer to think of my Luong play as coordinated panic flailing

[grizzled heart]

Round start, kick projectile move, CD option select kick projectile move

Jump do the crosss up

This is all Luong players do

[torn drift]

Cd geki cd geki

[grizzled heart]

gex???

[torn drift]

Rinse rinse repeat

[grizzled heart]

This what Luong players be doing ??

[torn drift]

Don’t worry bout what luong players be doing

That’s for luong players to know

And you to find out

[grizzled heart]

Fair enough 😤

[torn drift]

Where’s the k’ convention fr fr

[grizzled heart]

I’m on a break

Daru all we got

This is like when bubbles played a lot

We had Good Leona player: Bubbles
Then
Bad Leona player: Me

Now it’s
Good K’ player: Daru
Then
Bad K’ player: me

[torn drift]

Bubs being good

It’s ok I’ll play k’ join the mid

[grizzled heart]

nice

So when are u gonna do that 😐

[torn drift]

Tonight

[grizzled heart]

sure…. When I’m not on 😤😏

[torn drift]

😭

Send combos

[grizzled heart]

I literally sent u and mac some 😂😭

[torn drift]

Send again

Plz

I can only read notations

[grizzled heart]

After I shower rq

Remind me

[torn drift]

Bet

@rancid marlin teach me k’

Plz

[snow beacon]

#1021188052032421959

I posted a guide there. Daru too busy being a vampire

[torn drift]

Daru is a vampire

Dude on sunset to sunrise

[torn drift]

Thanks senpai eljay

Btw what can I call you, are you fine with jay or is it strictly eljay

[snow beacon]

I’m fine with whatever

[torn drift]

Can I call you ホイップマスター

[warm hollow]

I will explicitly refer to you as "Whatever"

[snow beacon]

Hoippu Master?

[torn drift]

Yes

[sinful herald]

Yep yep

[torn drift]

I’m super passive

And I don’t want to be

That’s why I’m throwing her point

To learn how to push more

[snow beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/get-to-work-work-simpsons-smithers-trendizisst-gif-15496843

[warm hollow]

@sinful herald Any advice for the Chris match-up? I feel like I'm getting outsped and mixed like crazy. I have zero clue when to even take my turns. Just flailing 😂

[torpid quarry]

He’s a fast lil shit but whenever he does that dash into elbow into low it’s your turn but he can also dp you

The overhead unsafe too

[warm hollow]

So I gotta get better at reacting to the mix and punishing off that?

He's so fast I feel like I'm getting overwhelmed and stuff that feels unsafe and punishable gets blocked or rolled and whiff punished

[torpid quarry]

Yup

[warm hollow]

Is this only something that's like 4f punishable?

It's just so fast I feel everything except 2B gets blocked

[torpid quarry]

If they roll out then you gotta be ready to punish that

[torpid quarry]

Idk

I fought miss trickys chris

[warm hollow]

I'm very sorry to hear that

[torpid quarry]

I was fighting for my life but I was understanding the more we played

[warm hollow]

Yeah more experience is good. I also need to get my light starters to actually be consistent

[grizzled heart]

Smoke Chris got some fire that’s for sure … he don’t even need Orochi…

[sinful herald]

Chris is really new to me but here’s a couple things:

1. His little bullshit teleport thing (grounded and air triangle) is not invincible you can hit him out of it

2. Dash into slide is safe or even at worst the second hit is low first hit mid so just block low

3. He can punish from really far away with 2C and far C

4. Most of the other dash attacks are pretty unsafe so it’s either your turn or a fat punish

Oh and he has one of the best j.CD in the game

[grizzled heart]

Is that when he jumps and then just smacks his feed in ya face

[sinful herald]

Yeah the drop kick

[warm hollow]

This is helpful too, thanks! I'm struggling a lot of just playing the game at the Chris's speed, I think. Feels like I need to be snappier with my punishes

[sinful herald]

He’s one of those characters where if you just look at him, he seems really safe on block. Looking at the frame data tells the whole story tho lol

[warm hollow]

I'm assuming the binder has come into play here? 😂

[sinful herald]

ahem Hakkyokuseiken Scrolls

But yes

[lament mirage]

@runic rain analysis when you got the time?

How am I looking and how can I be even better?

[plush delta]

@lament mirage I highly suggest you look up @rancid marlin ‘s stream from last night. He used Shermie against @torn drift and howl couldn’t beat the Shermie. He plays Shermie slightly different than you so you can pick up a lot of tech from his gameplay

[torn drift]

Darus Shermie OD

But then again Daru is OD in general

[lament mirage]

Hmm

I'll be sure to look when I can

@plush delta did you watch the stream?

[plush delta]

Not this morning

[lament mirage]

Watch my most recent

My team all got new things

[plush delta]

After you watch daru’s stream 😉

[lament mirage]

I'm watching rn

[rancid marlin]

Kinda rusty w Shermie tbh just started randomly picking her again. Need to use her more to feel “good”. But it’s small things I was getting back as I went on I guess

Very easy character ofc. She does a ridiculous amount of damage

[lament mirage]

Mlegh

[plush delta]

lol poor cien

[plush delta]

@lament mirage can I offer some tips next time you fight @torn drift ?

[lament mirage]

I'm always listening

Or trying to

[plush delta]

Okay here are some tips against howl. Against angel, you need to be very respectful of the jump C, so much so that you need to avoid any situations where you are in close or hop distance where she can do the jump C. Since you use King or O Shermie on point, you need to fully embrace zoning Angel out. This is done not just by throwing projectiles but doing a preemptive jump CD when angel tries to jump in

Against Mai, you need to be very patient. You don’t want to be jumping in, but rather to close in on the ground. Try to block as much as you can and identify when you can punish her. There will be lots of grab openings that you can use with Shermie

These won’t guarantee wins since howl is really good and has leveled up but should help a bit

Also I watched your morning set against macdizzie and I think it’s good that you embracing zoning with king and I think it’s a great chance to put Shermie on mid. This should be put less pressure on your Shermie to win and you can play her more relaxed

[lament mirage]

I see

[plush delta]

Finally did you learn anything from watching daru’s Shermie?

[lament mirage]

Not that I feel

[plush delta]

He has some different routes that you need to learn

He is good with light confirms too

[lament mirage]

Ok but light confirms I struggle throughout all my characters

[plush delta]

He can also super cancel into the grab super from Shermie dp

[lament mirage]

Base?

[grizzled heart]

I actually do think Cien has really good game w/ O Shermie but fully embracing zoning will enhance that 100%

I know you don’t like zoning but u gotta admit, O Shermie zoning is so cool, she’s very unique

[snow beacon]

An advanced, spicy tip if you suspect an Angel j.C or any other cross up is to perform a reverse DP to catch them when they’re on the other side. If you’re P1 side, instead of 623, do 421, and vice versa.

If your character does a 2(8)X, just do the same input.

[torpid quarry]

Yeah I tried doing it yesterday and did it the wrong way

[torn drift]

Bro her j.c is so bad just try and block it

[torpid quarry]

And minimize how many chances angel player can get it

Worked on u worked on cherry

[torn drift]

Cherry still got smoked

[grizzled heart]

Inzane tip

[snow beacon]

No need. Just roll out or crosscut dp

[torn drift]

Plz don’t

[snow beacon]

I’ve crosscut dp’d CB before.

[torn drift]

Yeah but @runic rain is washed tbh

[snow beacon]

That was before she went equestrian

[torn drift]

Prime CB???

https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-im-in-danger-ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-gif-14149962

[snow beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/my-pony-genuwine-gif-5706469

[torn drift]

When I take some reverse melatonin and stay up past 10 pm ill ping ya

[warm hollow]

Isn't reverse melatonin just caffeine?

[runic rain]

Oh yeah I'm HELLA WASHED

I lost all my mix and setups 😂

[torn drift]

Banned

[torpid quarry]

I was about to say that😂

[torn drift]

Banned

[lament mirage]

Nah

Cuz I'm really bouta start DPing @torn drift

It may take me 100 tries

But doing it once and I'll win

I'll call that a good and honest win

[torn drift]

Nah

I’m unDPable

[obtuse dock]

https://youtu.be/0LHcRF0-Z3E

@lament mirage I figure more people would benefit from your question so here is a good video explaining training mode

[lament mirage]

Thanks @obtuse dock

[obtuse dock]

No problem

[warm hollow]

@plush delta Did you have that list of characters you recommended for me?

Or any recommendations. I know Robert, Terry, and Rock came up

[plush delta]

Terry Robert Kula and King is who I recommend for beginners to the game

[warm hollow]

Rock and O. Chris fit that bill? Comfying up to some other shoto-type characters atm

Kula and King were ones I was missing

[torpid quarry]

Use orochi Chris I demand it

I wanna see him

[warm hollow]

Catch me learning grapplers and just running full Orochi one day

[plush delta]

They are good shotos but more advanced but you can definitely try them. Rock is a more advance terry with better normals but higher execution for combos (but can still be simplified). O Chris has some weirdness for his fireball and dp that you need to learn and his normals are very stubby but he’s fast and can do huge damage if you learn his combos

[warm hollow]

I asked about Rock because his normals feel REALLY good haha

Me over here with Andy's stubby little elbows

[plush delta]

His normals are some of the best in the game, especially far C

Btw if you are interested in a sagat type of shoto, you can try Rugal

[torpid quarry]

Do it

Peer pressure

Do it

Fuck luong

😉

[warm hollow]

The list keeps growing

[warm hollow]

He's a lot of fun not gonna lie

[torpid quarry]

Big damage

[warm hollow]

Big damage and he's kind of swaggy

[plush delta]

Oh @warm hollow have you tried Iori? He’s another shoto type

[warm hollow]

I have a tiny bit but not much. Should probably also give him a few rounds

[grizzled heart]

See me in the Iori mirror Khris

[warm hollow]

You gonna have to give me a week to practice

[grizzled heart]

SIGN ON RIGHT NOW

nah I’m jk haha

[warm hollow]

Tell it to my end of year performance goals for work 😬

I've spent 5 hours today labbing stuff with mandatory training videos in the background

[grizzled heart]

I need to try the crazy Iori combos now

[plush delta]

I believe in you. You are really good with combos

[lament mirage]

All this motherfuckers livin lives that could be anime

Yusuke: nice, now it's my turn

Wow

The trash talk is unreal

Oh he has it too

Oh it's a learned ability

Sabat

Kurubara is the homie

"Bro you got a job?"

HEHFJDHDHSHDIRJDISIDHEJSOSHRHRIR

HE GIT TUE LIGHTSKIN RIZZ

Ahem

He got the lightskin rizz

The eyes just was so good

Oh he bliiiiiind

Tension maximum!!

Oh shit he thay down in him too

Anime!!!

Oh my god

Oh my god it went on for so long

AND IT BROKE?!

Wow really,

YOOOOOOOOO

Laser sword

12?!

THATS HIS SOUL CAPACITY?!

So he's juicing?

Wait how did he know he hit, he can't feel or see or hear anything

Oh right, spirit

Oh my god this outdone is so old

[plush delta]

Why is this in KoF coaching?

Yu yu hakusho is goated though

[warm hollow]

I like that Oli's response is "Weird place to post it but yeah that's fire"

[grizzled heart]

I knew Cien would like it

Cien is totally Kuwabara

[plush delta]

Yep he is exactly kuwabara. Cien is an anime character in general

[lament mirage]

Bro I deadass that I was in anime

My b

I'm paying attention to the anime

[grizzled heart]

I should rewatch it / read it

It’s OD

[plush delta]

You are kuwabara and mac is yusuke

[grizzled heart]

I watched it when I was stupid young and caught the end of the manga when I was older

should also checkout Hunter X Hunter because I’ve never seen LOL

[plush delta]

Dark tournament arc is incredible

[lament mirage]

Read my post along side. Line per line until you come across something you might need to see to know. So wait there till the animation catches up

Or manga

[plush delta]

Are you at the tourney yet? Or just started?

[grizzled heart]

I remember that shit being godlike but I only have flashes of what actually happened

[lament mirage]

Uh I cannot remember, read anime general

True form

[grizzled heart]

Yusuke is so OD tbh

[plush delta]

It is

[grizzled heart]

There r so many based arcs of YYH

Last anime I had peeped recently was Initial D

I need to pick back up at second stage I had only finished first stage

Most hype thing I’ve ever watched

[plush delta]

The chapter black saga is amazing too

I thought the ending kinda fizzled a bit but the middle 2 arcs are prolly the greatest thing I have seen I. Anime

[grizzled heart]

Chapter Black is like the last arc right?

With that main big bad dude right I forget his name

[plush delta]

No the third arc after the tourney with the former detective

[grizzled heart]

Yeah Sensui!

One of the sickest villains

[lament mirage]

Right you may be but happy I am not

[plush delta]

My favorite is the guy literally based on Akira

[lament mirage]

Wait

Which one is Kuwa?

[grizzled heart]

LOL just like Kyo , Krohnen haha

[lament mirage]

WAIT IM NO PUNK

FIGHT ME BITCH

[grizzled heart]

LOL

Nah bro he’s a based Delinquent, Yankii

[plush delta]

You are reacting like kuwabara right now

[grizzled heart]

That’s a goated archetype

[grizzled heart]

He is fr tho lmfao

[lament mirage]

I will the bricks outta you

[grizzled heart]

that’s totally some shit Kuwabara would say

[lament mirage]

Piss off

[grizzled heart]

Point proven 😁

He’s awesome bro

[lament mirage]

You're lucky I indulge in your bits

But yes the show is good

Loving it so far

[grizzled heart]

Okay ima rewatch this shit soon tbh y’all got me hyped on it

[plush delta]

Bro kuwabara is goated in the tourney. He proves himself. His arc is incredible and hyped

That’s Cien talking

Cien when he sees Shermie

[torpid quarry]

I never watched it but I’ve seen clips of gender equality from yuskue 💀

“I’ll still knock her out”

😂😂😂

[lament mirage]

Ayo same

If she still in the tournament, she's at least as strong as I am

Either able to win or take be able to take an L

Winners OS and it makes us both look good

[torpid quarry]

Facts

I might watch it somewhere in the future the dub gunna make me laugh my ass off

[lament mirage]

Ideal choice

That Way you can hear and read

[spring relic]

Glad you’re finally experiencing the 2nd greatest shounen series ever made

It’s also one of the few anime out there where I think the dub is superior, and that’s despite Yu Yu’s JP cast being a “who’s who” of 90’s seiyuu royalty at the time.

[lament mirage]

2nd, huh?

Well I dont work today

So imma binge it

[spring relic]

DBZ is the granddaddy

Always will be

[warm hollow]

FMA Brotherhood deserves to be in this conversation

[spring relic]

It’s up there

I consider FMA: Brotherhood more or less perfect as a story

[snow beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/community-gif-5412395

[warm hollow]

It's the one anime I still recommend to people not into anime. It's actually just that good

[sinful herald]

Death Note is this one for me

[warm hollow]

One day I'll sit down and watch it

[grizzled heart]

Death Note is OD

I love this one shot the Death Note artist helped do, Hello Baby

[sinful herald]

It’s one of those, “Show this to the hot chick that rolled her eyes at anime”. Red Dead Redemption is the video game equivalent

[grizzled heart]

LOL that’s so accurate

[warm hollow]

Honestly Brotherhood was that. My wife was kind of into anime until I made her watch Brotherhoof when we were dating and apparently that worked

Though to be fair I still wonder how the fuck she woke up one day and was like "Yeah the fat anime nerd with ADHD seems like a solid life partner"

[sinful herald]

Anime: helping people get laid since the start of the 20th century!

[sinful herald]

Real talk women know exactly how many douchebag losers are out there, that’s why most are so competitive over men. That means you’re a winner bro

[warm hollow]

So you're onto something here. We actually met at a college bar because I walked up and asked her to dance and we just kind of got to talking. Later I was like so... why talk to me all night? And she goes "Legit you were the only dude who fucking asked before trying to grind on me." 😂

[sinful herald]

Will have to check this out

[grizzled heart]

It rules love Obata’s art style

[sinful herald]

It really is true! Just being a normal person goes a long way towards standing out

[sinful herald]

I actually need to sit down and watch another show it’s been a minute

There’s so much stuff out there tho

[snow beacon]

@warm hollow I admire your patience. One tip, even though you like zoning… don’t walk yourself into the corner; you’re doing the opponent’s job for them. Be a wall, even slowly moving forward, which helps strengthen spacing tools and aa’s. Try to practice different distances and getting more comfortable in those zones.

For Andy aa’s: I like to use 5D for people trying to hop/hyper hop from far away. For hop pressure, I like 5C and 5D. Dp if you have the time and reactions. Try to refrain from preemptive dp’s; the goal for that tip is to practice reactions.

Don’t be afraid to elbow to close distance.

[warm hollow]

Hey if you're still around just wanted to say thanks. Y'all really put in the work coaching me tonight and I'm very appreciative. Learned a ton

[snow beacon]

Anytime friend!