KOF Coaching

[snow beacon]

Glad you can reintegrate back into human kind again

[obtuse dock]

@normal hound the other channel is a mess, I'll talk to you here, try not to set your goal to win, you will get discouraged most of the times, try to set small goals like, ok this match I'll land 3 small combos, or I'll counter 3 rolls with a throw, I'll punish a bad DP, then you'll start to improve and then, the wins will come

[normal hound]

That’s a good idea.

In this case, I want to do small combos, start with light confirms.

[obtuse dock]

A good way to practice low confirms is to set the training dummy to random blocking, and start going ham at it, not to overextend when it blocks and when to go full combo when it doesn't, for me, the audio cue is what I take for when the move connects

[runic rain]

Petty 😂

[plush delta]

@normal hound don’t get discouraged. I still barely do any combos and it took me 6 months before I started doing QM combos and I barely land them. For me personally I focus on understanding neutral when i started

I know I always use him as an example but Cien started with auto combos and you saw how much he has improved

When howl first joined he couldn’t do any angel combos nor could he fight against zoners

[normal hound]

Oh god, howl is an Angel user? 🥺🥺🥺🥺

[plush delta]

Many of us who first joined here were big beginners and we just make each other better by playing against one another

[torn drift]

Except me but I’m still here to help you guys get better

I’m your training dummy

[plush delta]

Yes, I would say he’s one of the best players here now but he progressed by playing here and matching with people here

[torn drift]

Angel gang join us

[grizzled heart]

Don’t 🤡

[normal hound]

I can’t even pass her trials 😂

[plush delta]

Also @normal hound if this helps, know that I can’t do rekkas, so you’re better than me already there

[torn drift]

Be kyo and angel so you can keep us together solve our marital issues

[torn drift]

Neither can I and that no joke

[grizzled heart]

You’ll get there haha, I couldn’t even do most trials when i first got the game

[obtuse dock]

It's ok, I can give you tips against angel, I play a friend locally and he is a really good angel, I got used to dealing with her lol

[plush delta]

Play howl’s angel!

[grizzled heart]

Drop the anti angel in the tech forum

we still need to KOTH howl

[torn drift]

I’m on almost all night except this one

[obtuse dock]

Actually @plush delta my friend wanted to join but he is on PC and speaks little English, I don't know if that would be an issue, he is around your skill level and plays a really good Robert, Iori and Angel

[plush delta]

@normal hound if you’re interested in learning beginner friendly characters, I recommend Terry, Robert, King, Kula. I am close to maining Robert and I learned KoF combos with King

[grizzled heart]

I’ll be on tomorrow night

[obtuse dock]

Funny, that's the only night I'm on

[plush delta]

That would be awesome! He’s free to join for sure! I’m not a pc player but we have some here including howl and eljay and squishy and crossplay is coming soon!

[normal hound]

🤔 I should go back and use King again.

[obtuse dock]

I can teach you some combos if you want!

[normal hound]

I will let you know. This week I may be busy with a commission.

[plush delta]

There’s always this weekend or next week!

[normal hound]

Either King or Robert.

[obtuse dock]

I know, it's just funny that mine and howl's schedule never line up

[plush delta]

I recommend it. And I can also do online training with you if you’re interested. I did it with howl and Duncan before. @obtuse dock is offering as well it seems

[plush delta]

I know both!

[obtuse dock]

I'm less intimidating than Oliver tho

[normal hound]

And maybe one day, I’ll try Ryo. I have a hard time inputting his fouled during a combo. I’ve inadvertently did the Haoh Sho kouken move 🤦‍♂️

[obtuse dock]

Ryo's my main and I'm more than welcome to teach you this character

[normal hound]

Looks like Yamazaki will be out on hold until I can get use to his move set again.

[obtuse dock]

Plus it does really well against angels

[plush delta]

Ryo neutral is harder but I can play him as well. His combos are really fun. Jackulie and eljay have the better Ryo for sure

[normal hound]

Ah, YOURE THE ONE! Now I remember. 😆

[plush delta]

It’s funny cause cien started with yamazaki and I recommended him to switch to king and he stuck with king and she’s prolly his best character now

[obtuse dock]

Might've been eljay as well, he is really good with ryo

But I do remember playing against you I believe

[normal hound]

Definitely got me beat with those combos.

[obtuse dock]

I can definitely teach you those combos

[normal hound]

Lol I’ll let you know once I make time.

[obtuse dock]

Sure, my schedule is really limited as well

I only play at nights when the baby and wife are asleep lol

[normal hound]

This Wednesday I’ll be available. I got a rematch with trip as well.

[plush delta]

Okay ping me. I might be free Wednesday. I can help with king and Robert

[obtuse dock]

I'm free on Wednesday but is día de muertos here so I'll be on that, but we'll align some other day

[normal hound]

Eres mexicano?

[obtuse dock]

I am

I mean, si lo soy

[normal hound]

EYYYY! 👍

[obtuse dock]

Tu también?

[lament mirage]

Estamo hablando español aqui?

[plush delta]

You Mexican too? There’s like 4 of you now

[obtuse dock]

Creo que si

[torn drift]

@normal hound on a real note. This server is made for you. It’s beginner friendly and causal. You can play anyone here and we’re all friendly. You need help doing a combo? Text it to coaching or tech, you want to learn a character let us know we’ll do what we can to help you me and @plush delta are also willing to learn basics of a new character just to help you out. If you need us to slow down and not play so aggressive so you can learn better we will do that for you. If you want us to go all out and that’s how you learn better will do that. Ask for advice or tell us what you’re having trouble with. As long as you can communicate with us we’ll do our very best to help you. My biggest piece of advice is to pick whoever you want to play and just understand some characters are harder than other but we’ll help you to the best of our ability regardless. I’m on almost every day except today I’m always down to clown

[plush delta]

Well Tripp is like half Mexican

[obtuse dock]

Howl's mexican too

[normal hound]

Soy “gringo”, por q nací en los Estados Unidos. Mis padres son de Durango.

[torn drift]

Damn Mexicans taking over our servers 😓 (I’m Mexican too boku)

[torn drift]

Eres mexicano

[obtuse dock]

Eres paisa entonces

[normal hound]

https://tenor.com/view/taco-time-dancing-nido-drums-drums-gif-15307671

[normal hound]

Lol si, soy norteño.

[obtuse dock]

Yo soy de Sinaloa pero vivo en sonora, aunque pronto me estaré mudando para Estados Unidos por trabajo

[obtuse dock]

Norteño 😤🤝

[normal hound]

AJUA!!!

[torn drift]

Pinche mafioso way no mames por eso ganas tanto, “new job opportunity” mis huevos

[obtuse dock]

Jejejeje

[normal hound]

Lmao

[obtuse dock]

Y tú señor tienda de llantas mis huevos, tienes todo el set up para streams misteriosos

[torn drift]

No hay nada misterioso de lo que yo ago, es mágico

[obtuse dock]

Nah, soy ingeniero, arreglo máquinas que hacen producto médico jeje

[torn drift]

“productos médicos”

[obtuse dock]

Jejeje

You got it

[normal hound]

Bueno pues, se me acabo mi hora de descanso tengo que ir a “limpiar”.

[obtuse dock]

Y yo a podar el césped

[torn drift]

But for real @normal hound you learn way more way faster playing with better players willing to give advice we got you

[normal hound]

No te creas. Si soy limpiador, por eso estoy tomando clases de soldadura 😆

[torn drift]

I would’ve never learned at this pace had it not been for these guys yes even @torpid quarry

[obtuse dock]

Uhh yo también se soldar, de hecho yo hice todas las protecciones de mi casa jajaj

[torn drift]

Samesies

[obtuse dock]

So you know how to weld fr?

[normal hound]

I believe it. I do feel bad for being a bitch to Trip, so that’s why I want to make it up with a rematch.

[torn drift]

No don’t worry @torpid quarry trolls a lot but he’s a cool dude he doesn’t get upset by anything it’s all fun

[normal hound]

I’m learning. And I like it. Me and a small few are ahead of the class.

[obtuse dock]

Trip's really good, he stomped me and asked for advice and sent me this bible of what I needed to improve, which I am working on

[torn drift]

MIG only and have an idea on how to TIG I took automotive clases on how to be a body man/ painter but I’m more on the painting side

[torn drift]

He gives everyone advice but me 😰

[obtuse dock]

Have you asked?

[normal hound]

I’m getting a certificate on SMAW and MIG.

[torn drift]

That’s what’s up you’re gonna be rolling on though

[obtuse dock]

You'll get there in no time, as well as in KOF, just be patient and enjoy the ride

[torn drift]

Welding is the drug dealing of legit hard work lol

You make a killing

[normal hound]

True 😆 “ey mang, you got the stuff? And by stuff I mean electrodes.”

[torn drift]

By legit hard work I mean manual labor lol I respect all types of hard workers even if it’s not manual labor

[normal hound]

Alrighty, I gotta go before my coworker playing supervisor todays gives me an earful.

[obtuse dock]

Sure dude

[normal hound]

https://tenor.com/view/welder-happy-work-fun-gif-25821496

[torn drift]

This is me lol

[obtuse dock]

I'm better with woodwork tho

[torn drift]

I’m better with hard drives 😏

[obtuse dock]

I'm better with Ryo tho

[torn drift]

I’m better with Vanessa tho

🧢

[obtuse dock]

We shall see

Someday idk

[torn drift]

Continuity continues we never meet lol

[torn drift]

@snow beacon I think im a family man now

I can do chuns bnb

[obtuse dock]

You labbing sfv?

[torn drift]

Yeah I was earlier

Work now

[obtuse dock]

It's being a while since I booted up sfv, I was gonna say that we should play but

You know, stars aren't aligned rn

What rank are you?

[torn drift]

Guess

Super high rank

[obtuse dock]

Damn, gold-ish?

[torn drift]

Nah

Bronze

I just lost me super bronze too 😭

[obtuse dock]

See, I told you you and I about the same level

I oscillate between bronze and super bronze

[torn drift]

But I’m trying an experiment where Imma take labbing serious with most time on kof but also gg and sf see how good I can get

[obtuse dock]

Damn I barely got time for 1 fighting game, you labbing 3 at the same time

[torn drift]

In days and when I have time

Like today is chun day

I also have the biggest case of character crisis

So I kinda scheduled out days for specific characters so I would stop switching around so much

So like today if I do have time imma lab chun li

[obtuse dock]

Lab karin

Be a Karin main like me

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-star-wars-rule-the-galaxy-join-me-gif-17440064

[torn drift]

I want to play Laura but honestly chun is harder and I’ve always had a thing for chun

Manon, Juri, Chun are my toss up for SF6 so I figured if I learn the more technical character now I lose nothing where if I main juri now but switch later it’ll be harder than vice versa

Ya feel me?

[obtuse dock]

I gotcha

But

Karin

You feel me?

She share some similarities with angel, that's why I suggested her

[lament mirage]

Oh

@plush delta

You watched over the stream, right?

Know what I can do better?

[obtuse dock]

I am looking forward to manon and Marisa tho

[plush delta]

Bro I already told you last night you did well. But I think you should main o shermie. Ralf needs some work with incorporating specials. Don’t press sweep in hop range

[lament mirage]

Anything else?

[plush delta]

Nope. I like the king and Beni a lot. You did really well with both

[lament mirage]

One left unmentioned

[plush delta]

She was okay. I think o Shermie has potential to replace her and make your team better

[lament mirage]

That's just a full zoning team

[plush delta]

Yes

You’ll do well with it

[lament mirage]

Zoning can go to hell

I still despise doing it

[plush delta]

You can work with Ralf as well since he has good normals but you have to work more a lot on him

[plush delta]

If it works, it works

[lament mirage]

Doesn't work for me

[plush delta]

And you aren’t turtling the whole time anyways

You struggle with hit confirms but are good with understanding zoning spacing

So zoners fit you

[lament mirage]

The hell I understand zone spacing, I still get clipped all the time with jump in punishes

Can't dp em or nothing

Not that King has one anyway

[plush delta]

Better than your hit confirms

[lament mirage]

Yeah

That's what I want to work on

[plush delta]

Well up to you

You asked me and I answered

[lament mirage]

I asked what can I do better

And you just said I did well

That's not answering

[plush delta]

So hostile

[lament mirage]

Wym hostile?

[plush delta]

Work on hit confirms

Incorporate Non jump in hit confirms

[lament mirage]

How ya suppose I go on abt doing such work?

Ah, edit

[plush delta]

Do meatys after hard knockdowns

Have the dummy set to throw or dp or do 2A

Work in safe jumps and meatys after the knockdown and get the timing right

Have an option if the opponent rolls if you run in after the knockdown too

Mix in run in close C or run in 2B 2A meatys for heavy or light confirms after a knockdown

Mix in some command normal overheads too if they are blocking low all the time and QM that

When mashing 2A, you can QM that

That’s a lot of advise now

[lament mirage]

Thanks

I'll get to trying it

[plush delta]

These are all things that you can incorporate into your gameplay to change it up

In corner pressure, mix in empty hops into 2B or empty hops into command grab (for Shermie and Beni)

[lament mirage]

All my corner mix is to go into that cmd grab

That's how I got that Beni EX grab in the corner

I think it was in the last game I played actually

[plush delta]

Be more in your face with Shermie. Roll around your opponent and catch them with the command grab. You always stay like jump range and just do axel kick or jump CD

[lament mirage]

Well I'm always being told I'm too close

And then I get grabbed by a normal one

Which overtakes my cmd grab often

I lived through it

[plush delta]

Identify situations when you can do dash grab (always do it at less than hop range). You can surprise them while you are walking back

[plush delta]

Command grab beats normal grab always

[lament mirage]

Not mine

[plush delta]

Just means you are too slow in inputting

Shermie command grab is frame 1

[lament mirage]

I am aware

[obtuse dock]

I always thought it was the other way around

[torn drift]

Yeah I get it I just enjoy switching between my games much to my displeasure

I play rush down in kof

Mobile grappler/ charge character in sf

Set play in gg

[obtuse dock]

But all Booba

[torn drift]

Don’t know anything else

It would probably be wayyyyy easier on me if I just chose a type

Like playing straight forward rush down or only mobile grapplers

But bad bitches is the only thing that I like 🤷🏻‍♂️

[obtuse dock]

I don't have a type as well, just what clicks with me or looks awesome or fun to play that's what I use, don't care about meta stuff.

[torn drift]

I don’t care either

But I don’t play what suits me

If I like a character I force myself to learn the playstyle

Like chun li is always a character I wanted to play even though I never played sf. Sf 3rd strike sprite is gorgeous. So despite not being a charge player or turtly (unless you ask mac) I still want to learn her and not be discouraged by that

And and SF6 Chun Li is beautiful

[obtuse dock]

She is 😤

[torn drift]

Not even in like a sex appeal lewd way like they made her look Elegant unlike sfv

[obtuse dock]

They made her older I believe, that's what you mean?

[torn drift]

No sfv models look jarring to me

I just think sf6 looks good in general

Sfv models are busted

https://tenor.com/view/street-fighter-v-street-fighter-mika-chun-li-sfv-gif-19318094

https://tenor.com/view/chun_li-stretching-stretch-street_fighter-street_fighter_6-gif-25932884

Way better

[obtuse dock]

I agree with you, I guess they made less "goofy" clothes and went to something more realistic, and in Chun's case looks classy

[torn drift]

I don’t even think it’s the clothes

Just models in general

SFIV is better looking than V in my opinion

[obtuse dock]

I didn't play 4, went from 3rd strike to 5

[torn drift]

I didn’t play any lol

Idk maybe im on something but sfv has better graphics or sure but the faces look weird to me sf4 looks better facially but obviously graphically not as good

@obtuse dock don’t pay me no mind I’m just an old man on some crazed rant

[obtuse dock]

Idk man they look weird to me

[torn drift]

Point is

Sf6 Chun a beauty

[obtuse dock]

I can agree to that

🤝

[torn drift]

🤝

Play me in sf punk

Or kof

Just play me lol

It can be Mario Kart at this point

[obtuse dock]

Oh you wouldn't stand a chance in Mario kart

[torn drift]

Bruh we’re the same person

But you’re just an evil me

We both suck at sf

We both love angel

But you went on the dark path

You don’t play her I play her

Also I’m on all the time

You’re only on when I’m not

[obtuse dock]

I'm on almost all nights, but I get on on my 10ish which I believe would be your 12

[torn drift]

You see

Evil me

I have a bedtime

You play past my bedtime

[obtuse dock]

I play past my bedtime too

I'm hardcore you

[torn drift]

Proving my point lol

[obtuse dock]

No, you're softcore me

[torn drift]

[obtuse dock]

Thing is I don't have much time to play anymore, my days go to my family, when my baby sleeps I spend time with the wife, so I sacrifice sleep hours so I can still play

[torn drift]

Chad energy

[obtuse dock]

You're a softcore version of me 😤

[torn drift]

You really took chun lis advice

You went home and became a family man

[obtuse dock]

Yep

[plush delta]

When are we seeing jackulie vs howl in KoF?

[torn drift]

I don’t think it’s meant to be oli

[obtuse dock]

Hopefully you can see me whooping howl's ass someday

[torn drift]

I’ll be like I’m on rn till 5 hours from now then there’s a 30 minute break and I’ll be back on for another 5 hours

And Jack will be like that’s crazyyyyyyyy

I’m gettin on for those 30 minutes you’re not on

[snow beacon]

#1021090179102015509

[torn drift]

Sorry senpai

[plush delta]

Mod eljay has spoken

[obtuse dock]

That do be crazy

I'll be available some day howl, be patient

Not to get sentimental here but, one day my daughter will not want to play with me anymore and be with her friend and shit, I'll take all the time I can with her while I can

[torn drift]

Hopefully no time soon

If one of your biggest fears is that your kid starts distancing themselves that means you’re parenting right

They come back

[obtuse dock]

Eljay about to tag the #snk-feels forum

[snow beacon]

I’ll let this fall under life coaching while balancing KOF

How old is the little one? Mine just turned 1 @obtuse dock

[obtuse dock]

1 and 8 months

[snow beacon]

I’m with you there tho regarding giving her as much face time as possible.

I just play when she’s asleep and when I’m not studying

[obtuse dock]

Same, I'd rather sacrifice sleep time than family time

Damn eljay we went full goro Daimon

[snow beacon]

Sometimes, I just pop in training to get my Ryo and Whip combos, to keep them fresh, then turn off the game to cook or something

[obtuse dock]

Retired to be a family man

[snow beacon]

Hence my late night @ calls

[obtuse dock]

Same thing

[obtuse dock]

What time zone you on?

[snow beacon]

PST

You?

So i can update my pin in #snk-fighting-games

[obtuse dock]

Mountain

We're on the same time

It's 9:23 for both

@plush delta @torn drift its confirmed that eljay and I are the same guy

[snow beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/you-right-right-correct-gotcha-kevin-hart-gif-11942102

[torn drift]

And we’re opposites

[obtuse dock]

Yeah you're my weaker version

[obtuse dock]

https://youtu.be/h9z55YC980A

@warped pine figured this guide would be helpful to you since you just picked up maxima

[warped pine]

I forgot he can punch projectiles! 🤣

[torn drift]

You can punch anything if you’re brave enough

[obtuse dock]

Only cowards block

[grizzled heart]

^ u get it

[normal hound]

https://tenor.com/view/ouch-blowtorch-fail-welding-gif-4307250

Nah, that’s you!^

[snow beacon]

@normal hound

A very basic bitch combo: 2A 2B 214C.

You probably meant 2B 2A? That and 2A 2A into 214C are great starter combos. Can you consistently cancel into Pit Viper after 214C?

@normal hound

I’m noticing so much of a difference in Yama’s attacks as you connect them in combos. Like using C, 6B doesn’t send the AI flying, so it can be used to connect with other combos.

His 5C 6B is your intro to bigger damage with Yama-kun. My bnb is 5C 6B 623D 214C.

[mild parcel]

No

[plush delta]

Who else? Clark can cancel his sweep into step but that’s not an attack. Btw I realized after 2C is not a sweep but a mid

[mild parcel]

Also its not technically a "sweep"

Honestly I'm only 99.999% sure you cant because that is a conversion ive seen nobody do

[plush delta]

Yeah I said I realized after that Krohnen 2C is not a sweep

[mild parcel]

Oh my b

[snow beacon]

@normal hound https://youtu.be/o4Ie-kHr-as

[obtuse dock]

Do anyone know if you can tech a throw with either C or D? Or if someone grabs me with C I can only tech it with C as well?

[lament mirage]

Either or

It's not Tekken

You just gotta be fast

So fast it has to be a read

Cuz you got 7f after a throw starts to tech it

[obtuse dock]

Aight, thanks cien

[snow beacon]

I didn’t know there was a 7f break window. Good to know 👌

[lament mirage]

Ye

[runic rain]

Oh yeah the window is quite long but not too long

[sinful herald]

There’s an OS to tech empty jump throws. You should always be pressing 6C on an opponent jump in. If they go for empty jump throw you will tech it, if they do jump attack you will block. This OS does get beat by well spaced empty hop 2A/2B so it’s not perfect but, if you see the hop you have time to block low and then stand block an overhead if they do that instead

[snow beacon]

I’ve been trying to implement this in my play, but it’s still so unnatural to me.

[plush delta]

@lament mirage is a master at this

[lament mirage]

im sorry?

master of what?

[plush delta]

Throw OS

[lament mirage]

i don't even know why i picked it up

seems to fuck me over more than help

[torn drift]

Ngl this has really helped me fine tune my combos especially with j.c

[sinful herald]

It also seems like there are character specific variations on this OS. My time in the lab has basically been: combos, safe jumps, and this OS tech. Totally agree it’s weird to press a button while blocking

[warped pine]

Question for you folks. What can counter Robert's overhead jumpin kick move?

[snow beacon]

Anti air, parry, counter

[snow beacon]

Please see your profile photo

[grizzled heart]

I’m dead

Eljay too funny

[warped pine]

yeah, that definitely works but I'm trying to stop using him as a crutch 🤣

[snow beacon]

A simple 5A would suffice for everyone

[warped pine]

That makes sense, I'll try it

[snow beacon]

If the Robert spaces it though, try other normals, depending on character

[sinful herald]

Are you talking about his command normal or air hyunshipuu kick?

[warped pine]

The air hyunshipuu. I had a match where a Robert ran through my team just repeatedly spamming it. I got him with Krohnen but I was too far behind by then 🤣

[sinful herald]

Gotcha. It’s unsafe on block unless spaced really well, a Robert who’s spamming it probably isn’t doing that. Hit confirm with 2A or 2B and blow him up

[warped pine]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-notes-gif-23631832

[sinful herald]

Haha. Imo as a Robert player it’s best use is off a jump back. Seems to catch people off guard when he’s suddenly coming at them. If Robert jumps back, walk forward and be prepared to block

Be advised he can also do it off a back dash, so watch out if he’s cornered

[warped pine]

thanks, I'm going to try setting this up in training mode

[snow beacon]

Thanks for confirming, as I assumed he was talking about the command normal.

I would just start off by just blocking then work on a 2A or 2B punish.

[sinful herald]

If you time it right you’ll punish the landing and can get big damage, while scaring them off of whiffing a jump normal. I agree tho, mistiming the button can be disastrous

[lament mirage]

oh the thing i do is a bit different, anytime a jump in comes in i almost always throw, especially if i get hit

if the hit is too high i throw them free and if it was deep enough im getting combo'd regardless

[sinful herald]

Yeah set up the dummy to do:

1. Neutral jump heavy special
2. Jump back heavy special
3. Back dash special
4. Jump forward heavy special
5. Heavy DP

and just practice walking forward, blocking then punish. Probably pretty close to what he was doing

[sinful herald]

If they hit you too high, yes throw is a punish but you get a way better punish off a combo. For example, with Robert I’ll press 6C > 6C > 4B on an opponent jump in. I tech the throw, block or (ideally) get his combo starter and do around 350 damage

If you’re getting combo’d you’re pressing the button too early

[normal hound]

Yeah that’s one of the videos I’ve been looking at, reminded me that Yama can deflect projectiles.

[snow beacon]

I think it’s one of the best for combos.

[normal hound]

I’ve used it as part of a combo, but, I am guilty using that DP as a habit.

[snow beacon]

Yup, he can reflect AND store a fireball.

[snow beacon]

Which “dp?”

[normal hound]

His deflect. It’s not really a DP, but it does knock the other player back on their ass.

But yeah, I’ve for some reason have this habit of using it, despite not being a good idea.

[snow beacon]

If you use a special to anti air, try using 214A. That way you can finish it with 214C or Pit Viper~Stomp

[normal hound]

Yup! Looks I’m gonna have to start implementing 214A.

[snow beacon]

If you use 236P to aa, I’d recommend 236AC, where you can finish with 2B 623D 214C

[normal hound]

Jump attack as are hard to predict, so I’ll work on that.

What’s 236 P?

Nvm. Got it.

[snow beacon]

They can be, which is why it’s nice you can hold the 214A in case you make a read, but cancel the stance with D if they don’t jump.

His 5A and 2C are a good aa’s

[snow beacon]

Do backlashes avoid throw and/or command throws?

[sinful herald]

Maybe? I feel like Clark snatched me on a backdash at least once last night

[snow beacon]

Backdash or back roll?

Per Dream Cancel:
Backdashing is done by pressing back on the control stick or twice. The character will move backward a certain distance to quickly move away from the opponent. The distance and the speed of the backdash will vary between the characters, along with their animations. In many cases, when you perform a backdash, you are in a midair state.

No mention of throw invulnerability.

[plush delta]

Midair means you can’t throw them

[snow beacon]

I wish I was near the PS4 to test it, but I guess my concern would be the startup of the backdash as well as the frames of being airborne, especially since throws have a 1f startup

[sinful herald]

Both I think. Testing it now but it’s hard to tell if it works with cmd grab or not bc timing starting the playback puts me behind the curve to execute the grab

[runic rain]

It depends

Roll and Backdashes can be thrown but the window have during the start up frame

Which is why grabs are insane in 15 rn because you can just throw people out of a lot and cripple them on having semi safe defensive options

Command grabs that are 1 frame can do the same but they need to be 1 frame. (Most meter burn grabs besides Iori and Rock)

[runic rain]

Also mid air back dashes just allow you to get sniped from the air and act as a counter hit from throw attempts. (It's always better to roll/BD from range 2-4

[snow beacon]

@fading ridge copy pasta here

@fading ridge yes the 623D

[fading ridge]

You know the move where Yamazaki kicks sand right, 623D

[snow beacon]

Dust kick

[fading ridge]

is that cancelable or does it just have extremely low recovery, because I've been watching some Yamazaki combos where they'll do that move immediately into Serpent Slash

[snow beacon]

Yes that move is cancellable into some specials, like 214C

5C 6B 623D 214C will be your bnb

[fading ridge]

sounds about right

the only combo I know I can do consistently requires 1 bar of meter

[snow beacon]

What’s the combo?

[fading ridge]

its the one they teach in his Trials with the 214AC into 236AC into 214A into 214C I believe

but it has the 5C 6B starter iirc

its been a minute since I played so my memory might be a little faulty

[snow beacon]

I never actually played the trial, but I’m familiar with that combo. It’s a good starter to a more advance one

Can you cancel 214C into Pit Viper yet?

2141236P

[fading ridge]

Not yet

I haven't practiced Yamazaki outside of trials

[snow beacon]

Gotcha. I’d love to do online training mode with you, but my playing hours are when you kiddos snuggle up in your PJs

[fading ridge]

Are you not up for games tonight? I don't have work tomorrow so I'm down to stay up and play games

[snow beacon]

@fading ridge check out this video

[snow beacon]

Unfortunately no. I have an early morning tomorrow

[fading ridge]

Unfortunate

[snow beacon]

This video might be info overload, but it breaks down combos by meter

[fading ridge]

I see

[torn drift]

@craggy gyro should be on in the next hour if you could wait for her

[snow beacon]

#1 skill to learn is that 216C xx 2141236P

[craggy gyro]

woa coaching

[fading ridge]

also I've been having trouble landing the things like Geese's ground grab and Ryuji's stomps, is there a trick to that?

[torn drift]

Welcome to the secret room

[snow beacon]

Are you aware of the hold buffer system in KOFXV?

[craggy gyro]

im not smart enough to be in this channel but ty 🤧

[fading ridge]

Yes, actually, its what I had to learn to do the trial of 214AC into 236AC

[torn drift]

It’s where we scrubs listen to eljay senpai

[snow beacon]

Same applies to the stomp

[fading ridge]

Once I learned how to do that buffer, the combo system of KOFXV made way more sense to me

[craggy gyro]

🤓 so like a classroom but for kof got it

[snow beacon]

I love the hold buffer

[fading ridge]

because originally when I watched combos I was like "Woah, those timings to these links and moves must be hard as fuck!"

Then I learned about hold buffer and it made combos make way more sense

[snow beacon]

Link you still have to timed right, but specials can be held

[fading ridge]

Now I'm like "Oh character animations make certain characters easier to make their hold buffer combos easier."

like how canceling EX Pit Viper into Climax you have to buffer the input BEFORE he kicks you off of his hand

so being able to apply that knowledge I learned in the trial to the analysis I apply to the combos I watch helps me understand the game just a bit, but still ultimately requires me to practice them

Also holy SHIT the video you sent me is fast

[torn drift]

Some character can cancel certain moves early or late and that can affect your damage like mai but for the most part if you already know how to hold/cancel/link you’re on a great path!

[fading ridge]

I'm not good at it with every character but the nature of the system makes way more sense to me because of it

[torn drift]

Kof tends to be more system based that character specific for the most part with certain exemptions

So the fact that you’re getting it and you like that it makes sense it’s great

[snow beacon]

Just set the playback speed to half

[fading ridge]

For example I can watch the combo in this video and understand that the 236 AC after the 2A is a buffer because of the nature of the system, and I know from what little experience I have linking specials from normals can be hard depending on the character

and if I'm wrong and its a cancel, that only makes it easier

[snow beacon]

I hope the video helps for your Yama!

[fading ridge]

Holy shit

it already is

that 236AC set up is fucking NASTY

[snow beacon]

Tbh id just rely on the video than trials

[fading ridge]

the fact you can get a guaranteed 214C OTG or a safejump is scary

for half a bar...

[snow beacon]

Wait til you get corner

[fading ridge]

Also I think I see what you mean about the trial I was doing leading into a more advanced combo

[snow beacon]

After the 236AC, doing 6B 623D 214A?

After landing a shatter strike, you can do just that too

[fading ridge]

D > 6B > 236AC > 6B > 623D > 214A > 214C

[snow beacon]

Then you can end with 214C or Pit Viper

[fading ridge]

Pit Viper is such a nutty Super Special

[snow beacon]

Get good at doing CD 214(C)~D

[fading ridge]

the cancel?

[snow beacon]

Yeah

[fading ridge]

The Dream Cancel wiki does say he needs some stance cancels for his execution... I'll look into it

[snow beacon]

I love the guaranteed poison after

The OTG stomp will ensure you get all poison damage

That and OTG 214C

[fading ridge]

One of the reasons I love Yamazaki is so much, is that I have this weird desire for characters who move in a certain way. If their combos look like something like I could see them actually fluidly doing in a real fight, it looks so beautiful to me

so seeing Yamazaki send people flying then doing badass shit like catching them out of mid air with a Pit Viper just looks SO BADASS

[snow beacon]

He’s swaggy. That’s why I love him

[fading ridge]

Have you ever seen Gill in SFV?

[snow beacon]

Yup

[fading ridge]

Dudes combos look GORGEOUS

[snow beacon]

That are purty

[fading ridge]

I get a special feeling watching a 623HK purposely whiffing to make someone fall into an VT2 Ice Trap

and then just watching them blow up

Yamazaki invokes similar feelings with the way his combos look, not to mention I love crime aesthetics

[grizzled heart]

Wish eljay still played the same character as me for this in depth advice 😭

[torn drift]

Same

I’m hyped he’s picking up chiz with me though

[snow beacon]

I think I can still give some Leona insight

[fading ridge]

Simply play a cooler character

[torn drift]

Lol you tell him skill issue

[snow beacon]

She’s swaggy too

[fading ridge]

As a complete newbie what should I be focusing on learning first with Yamazaki?

[torn drift]

Yes she is

[snow beacon]

Just that hand in his pocket with that murderous scream got me haha

[fading ridge]

because a lot of the stuff in this video seems advanced and it doesn't seem practical to learn right away before I get some basic understanding of what to practice

[fading ridge]

When I saw his specials and his Level 4 I was like "Him. I want to learn HIM."

I do kinda wish they gave Yamazaki back his knife though

its all the little details with Yamazaki that make me love him, like how he never uses his right hand except with certain specials, how his right hand glows when you have Double Return stocked, the effects of Drill and the level 4 Climax flash when you fully charge it, or how he grabs his head when he does EX Baddabing Bombshell

[snow beacon]

Two bnbs:
2B/2A, 2A, 214C xx Pit Viper (PV), OTG
5C/5D, 6B xx 623D xx 214C xx PV, OTG

Get used to his normals and their range and uses

[grizzled heart]

I just need to upload some footage of Leona and have y’all review the tapes

[snow beacon]

And practice reflect/store timing

[fading ridge]

Does it matter if I use EX Pit Viper or should I conserve the meter and just do regular Pit Viper

[snow beacon]

Depends on his placement, meter left, and opponents remaining HP

I rarely use EX PV tbh

To save meter

[fading ridge]

I've seen some Yamazaki's only use EX PV in the corner

so the wallbounce from the chest kick doesn't create too much space to play neutral

[snow beacon]

Especially if I have them cornered and I OTG EX stomp to keep them same side

[fading ridge]

and allows them to keep pressure

[snow beacon]

Yeah I’d only use it in the corner or if it kills anywhere

[fading ridge]

or if you play him anchor and you do Lv. 1 Guillotine in EX Pit Viper then do Climax

actually I should probably do research on which one does more damage

Lv. 1 Guillotine into EX PV or Lv. 1 PV into EX Guillotine

[snow beacon]

I was gonna ask you to do so. I actually never did

[fading ridge]

because I'm already aware of things like how Level 3 is more optimal than Level 4 in some combos due to scaling

[snow beacon]

I’m used to the latter

[fading ridge]

EX Guillotine do be kinda nice to look at

[snow beacon]

It is lol

It’s lovely to end the round/match with that

[fading ridge]

the fucking head slams before he kicks your ass into the stratosphere

especially if you cancel EX Guillotine into Climax because it looks so swaggy when he fucking grabs your ass out of mid air just to slam your ass into the ground again and then maul in 4 different possible ways

[snow beacon]

I get those feels when I land Whip’s low command throw when she pulls you in and stomps you tf out

[fading ridge]

Whip looks so cool

I might be willing to play her and give her a shot since even though I don't like playing zoners more than half the time she seems really intuitive

[snow beacon]

The animation duration is also nice for the opponent so they can run off and take a piss

[fading ridge]

LMAO TRUE

[snow beacon]

This is also me with my Ryo

His combos are as length as a thesis

[fading ridge]

same with Joe

like if I get hit with a Joe and he has two bars I'm making a hot pocket

simple as

[snow beacon]

Make mine a croissant pocket

Pepperoni

[fading ridge]

fr tho why are Joe's combos so fucking LONG

[snow beacon]

Oh I don’t zone with her. I thought she would be but she’s more mid range imo

[fading ridge]

really?

Interesting

guess not all whip characters are zoners

which honestly, thank fucking god...

[plush delta]

Whip is not beginner friendly

[fading ridge]

Looks at GBVS Ferry and Poison from SF

[plush delta]

In fact, she’s the opposite

[fading ridge]

[fading ridge]

I don't really care who is and isn't beginner friendly

I mean I'm picking Yamazki of all characters as my first character to learn

[plush delta]

Yeah but whip won’t teach you the building blocks you need for the game

[grizzled heart]

Duncan Mindset permeates

[fading ridge]

That's fair

so I can save Whip for later

but if I really want to learn a character

I will learn them

I am more than willing to drop shermie to learn Angel

even if she's extremely hard to play

[snow beacon]

Shermie was my intro to KOF. she can gorilla

Enjoy her 2C aa

Oh also learn Yamas aa options

[plush delta]

Yeah that’s fair. I just recommend someone who can teach you the fundamentals first before switching

[fading ridge]

I'm at that part already

[snow beacon]

That is, see which work for your playstyle

[fading ridge]

learning 2C to 236AC seems REALLY fucking good

[plush delta]

Angel has the least transferable skills to other characters. Whip prolly second

[snow beacon]

Sometimes keep it simple with 5A, especially against hops

[fading ridge]

If I remember correctly that has something to do with the Rock, Paper, Scissors Theory of KOF

Jab beats Hop, Hop beats Sweep, Sweep beats Jab I think it was

[grizzled heart]

indeed

[snow beacon]

At its most basic theory yes

[fading ridge]

I like to do a lot of research before I get into a game so I tend to try to come in with some knowledge before I begin learning a game I'm interested in

[fading ridge]

@snow beacon so I have a question about Double Return

As an EX it turns into a launcher but does it actually do its job of being a decent anti zoning tool?

[snow beacon]

Yes. It’s pretty decent

I’ve never juggled mid match but it’s nice it’s a option

[fading ridge]

So it's usable outside of spending a meter on it in combos is what I'm hearing

[snow beacon]

Correct. I have never actually labbed it, but I could see it being good for blockstrings that might have a gap before the fireball

[fading ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-styles-harry-onedirection-hmm-really-gif-12526056

I like hearing possible versatility

[snow beacon]

It also reflect back as a super projectile so it would be good in cases like joe ex trinado

[fading ridge]

I like what I'm hearing

Keep talking

[snow beacon]

That’s I have have off the top off my head

Oh, learn a QM combo

[fading ridge]

QM?

Oh, Quick Max

[snow beacon]

Also, I posted anti Yama tech in the #1021088427397095585

[fading ridge]

D:

Why would you tell them how to beat us!

Traitor!

[snow beacon]

To improve us haha

When you get away with unfamiliarity, you’re not playing an opponent at their “best”

[fading ridge]

also since I didn't do it yesterday I'm installing mods right now

[snow beacon]

When someone knows the mu, I am forced to adapt and improve

💪

[fading ridge]

That's fair

[snow beacon]

But now that info is out here, it’s up to them now

[fading ridge]

I'm modding shoes onto Chris and Vanessa

[snow beacon]

You running Chris, Van, and Yama?

[fading ridge]

Nah I mod characters that I don't play anyway just to make them more bearable to look at/fight

https://gamebanana.com/mods/383748

Prime Example

[snow beacon]

That’s what I started doing.

[fading ridge]

I vehemently dislike Kula

so I'm debating putting that

or a different mod over her

[snow beacon]

I plan to put a Samsho skin over her default

[fading ridge]

I'm either going turn her into a Persona Waifu or put her in Angel's outfit

[snow beacon]

Haha I saw the latter

Anything will look better than her default

[fading ridge]

Yep

[snow beacon]

I need to find a good Krohnen skin too. He fugly

[fading ridge]

I don't mind Krohnen's look

I like his scarf

[snow beacon]

I agree with the scarf at least

[fading ridge]

though his jumpsuit is a little hard on the eyes

[snow beacon]

Coming from SFV myself, I’m used to capcom design

[fading ridge]

Capcom's designs aren't really as overloaded as some SNK designs though

they'll at least keep it simple with things like a Gi and a general outfit then maybe add some things later

whereas SNK is putting intricate fucking fingernail designs on each of Ash's fingers that you don't even get to see

[snow beacon]

Oh I didn’t know that about Ash

[fading ridge]

I remember seeing it on a Reddit post and thought it was funny how much care that SNK puts into their character design

[obtuse dock]

https://youtu.be/30MEaqpb6NY

@torn drift he is going to be your main once I beat you, might as well start labbing him

[sinful herald]

In case you haven’t seen this yet @torn drift

[torn drift]

I have this tattooed on me

[plush delta]

He has it memorized

Posted in his mirror to look at everyday when he wakes up

[sinful herald]

Haha ok didn’t know 🤘

How about this one guys

Little anti Clark tech

[torn drift]

Don’t worry I see people share it everytime someone mentions angel and I love it

I’m glad ángel players have a resource like this and the community shares it

Always happy to see it

[sinful herald]

It helped me out for understanding her, thought she had more overheads

[torn drift]

Nah she’s pretty rounded

However it’s her freestyle ability helps her

[grizzled heart]

Yeah I’d say she’s round in certain areas

[torn drift]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-26414884

[grizzled heart]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-card-uno-uno-cards-gif-13032597

[rancid marlin]

Boutta play Angel rn

[torn drift]

Let’s gooooooo

[obtuse dock]

@snow beacon how would you line up Andy, Clark and Ryo?

[snow beacon]

In that order

[obtuse dock]

Ok, thanks

[torn drift]

@obtuse dock @snow beacon 🤝

[snow beacon]

I have never tried Andy in other spots. I’ve used Clark as point and mid. I can put Ryo anywhere.

[torn drift]

Andy looks like he can mid up too no? He has some tools plus that climax is instant

[snow beacon]

Yeah I was thinking any spot, too. You can play him however you want, plus he’s not a bad meter dump.

[torn drift]

We discovered yesterday that ryo counters climaxes

That’s crazy

[obtuse dock]

Oh I knew it already, I just never parried one

[torn drift]

That’s busted

Can’t wait for this next patch to nerf him to the ground

[sinful herald]

I’ve only ever fought against Andy but he builds meter like crazy in the point slot

[snow beacon]

Or just don’t raw super/climax

[torn drift]

Blasphemous

[obtuse dock]

Unless you use Andy

[torn drift]

https://youtube.com/shorts/zMk2w9OIxwk?feature=share

@obtuse dock look at it and cry

[obtuse dock]

Saw it a while ago, understood like 20% of it

[torn drift]

I’m impressed gramps

[obtuse dock]

Thanks kiddo

[snow beacon]

Thank you coach. It is illuminated.

[rancid marlin]

@lament mirage Sorry I got distracted by stuff

[lament mirage]

Nw

[rancid marlin]

Let me go watch the stream again

[sinful herald]

Can anyone give me some starting points for doing cross ups? When do I press the button, it seems like it’s when my characters feet are still above the head but I can’t figure it out

[torn drift]

It really depends an active frames and the move for example luongs kick special just does a cross up with no follow up you can let it rip as soon as the j.a gets blocked

However for angel an what I assume would be everyone else you have to let it rip pretty late

The closer to the ground the better

At least for angel j.c you do it at the peak of your jump it’s gonna “combo” but you can be thrown out of it

However you do it closer to landing and it’s a true combo

[sinful herald]

Just talking about regular jump ins

[rancid marlin]

Yeah this here is pretty depressing

[rancid marlin]

For what character though

[torn drift]

Getting thrown out of a cross up?

[rancid marlin]

Yeah kinda ridiculous tbh

[sinful herald]

It should be like that tho just like regular jump ins

[rancid marlin]

The spacing can also be easily determined depending on what normals you just threw out, or if you did a forward throw. Kinda how I gauge how far I need to jump

[sinful herald]

My issue is spacing and where do I press the button? Trying with Shun j.B and D and I can get it to work but when to press is throwing me off

[rancid marlin]

Try 2a 2a then full jump B

[torn drift]

Eh yes and no I agree it’s probably better for balancing however having to commit to a longer jump for the most part and being able to sike out your opponent it feels very unrewarding especially when angel specifically has no other use for j.c

However angel j.c is still very good so it sounds like cope

[rancid marlin]

Does his even cross up?

his jump b

[sinful herald]

Yep they both do

[sinful herald]

I dunno there’s been times you’ve hit me with that and I thought to myself, “There’s no way that’s low enough” but the combo counter said otherwise lol

[rancid marlin]

Just hopped on I see what you mean. His jD probably way better for crossup

[sinful herald]

Liz and Kyo both have really crazy hit stun from j.B

Gato is just broken lol

[rancid marlin]

Yeah this character literally runs down on you and just does shit

[sinful herald]

Haha I meant his j.B cross up but yeah you right 😁

[sinful herald]

So where are you pressing? Like by their neck?

[torn drift]

I was forced to learn the timing and I can get it pretty consistently now very rare do I do it too high it’s my only good tool and @lament mirage is crazy with the throw OS so everytime it didn’t connect I got punished

[rancid marlin]

I am actually kinda struggling to get the proper timing myself

[torn drift]

It helped me learn fast though which I’m grateful for

[sinful herald]

In Angels case it almost feels like the move pushes the opponent downward

[sinful herald]

For Gato or Shun?

[torn drift]

It’s the intense pressure from her war crimes

[rancid marlin]

Shun really like I was able to do it on block but by itself I keep missing idk

I can do it easily crouching but standing he just goes right over them

nvm

[rancid marlin]

Yeah with his you actually have to be a slight earlier than any I've had to do

[sinful herald]

Ok will try that

When the opponent is crouching was it hop or jump?

[rancid marlin]

Only tried jumps so far, but from standing I was only able to link 2a or 2b after the crossup

[sinful herald]

Yeah you also link cl.C >6A

Part of the reason I’m trying to learn it

All of his hit confirms off jumps are really delayed

Not sure why but that’s how it is

[rancid marlin]

His heavies are so slow

[sinful herald]

D A M A G E

[rancid marlin]

I've played him when I first got the game just thought he was cool but not for me

[sinful herald]

Yeah I need to branch out more

[rancid marlin]

Same. I need to play grapplers and charge characters

[rancid marlin]

I was able to do full from into Cl.C with Shun timing is kinda ridiculous really

[sinful herald]

Interesting guess I’m just used to it

[rancid marlin]

I mean the crossup

[sinful herald]

Hard part is the cross up after that his combos are easy

Ah yeah we’re saying the same thing

[rancid marlin]

I wish there was an easier way to share this

I can post a clip on youtube

[sinful herald]

I started just wheeling the stick for supers lol don’t know if you saw me hit the optimal routes with Liz and Shun today

Phone video works here right? I don’t know how to get something off the PS

[rancid marlin]

@sinful herald

[sinful herald]

Thanks dude! Wow that’s quite a bit closer than I was trying

It looks like it can be kinda ambiguous

[rancid marlin]

Yeah I was super close to him. Kyo from round start I can do super jump into crossup

[sinful herald]

With Kyo?

[rancid marlin]

Yeah. Kyo jumps pretty high

[sinful herald]

Wow crazy

Shun only gets a super deep jump in from round start super jump

[rancid marlin]

Yeah K is the same way

[grizzled heart]

Tech

[sinful herald]

He knows that I know that he knows

And so the circle continues

Appreciate the time boys thanks again

[torn drift]

@plush delta this is what i saw

@lament mirage i like what im seeing however watch the mai fans point blank

try only using 3d to low profile inbetween point blank and midrange-y if closer do 2c 3d, 3d only combos if connected by 2c first

try using your other jump in buttons for starting pressure j.c is a good poke but hard to combo after j.b combos and is a fast a2a however trying to go for low starters after might cause you to do double knees instead.

hand in hand with point above work on your light confirms for full combos. i see mai do j.d into sweep, mai gets solid range on both 2b and 2a go into ex flame.

the good things i saw were your cd j.cd usage and about half the time youre following in your fan which is great for pressure. i only do it like 10 percent of the time. But overall im liking the mai.

this is entirely based on your first ft3 with daru btw

[torn drift]

@lament mirage do you enjoy zoning?

[lament mirage]

No

I actively hate it

[torn drift]

Oh

You’re good at it wth

King Mai and then your Shermie can really change pace and get close and personal

[plush delta]

Embrace the hate

[lament mirage]

And you wonder why I'm drawing Athena

Getting absolutely stuffed

[plush delta]

If you hate zoning, why do you use King O Shermie and Mai

[lament mirage]

King I love O Shermie is spicy Shermie so I adore and Mai is the horny side piece

Besides I said that I hate it, not that I won't use it

It is a part of the game

[plush delta]

Your king countered @torn drift ‘s angel really well and allowed you to win against him

And you know the key to beating howl is to beat his angel

[torn drift]

Yeah I agree if you wouldn’t have been so effective at zoning me out I would’ve taken that match

[lament mirage]

Wild

[grizzled heart]

Yeah Cien claims I sandbagged him this one time when really he just went master zoning mode

Zoner Grindset

I think it’s funny when I start zoning w/ Iori I’m tapping into the lame play then I do a funny dp 🤡

[plush delta]

@warm hollow how long have you been playing KoF and what’s your fg experience? I like what I see already. You have a good sense of spacing and movement. I can see you leveling up easily! The main thing I think you can work on is getting used to defending jumpins and getting used to doing close heavy - command normal combo starter

[warm hollow]

About a month now, give or take, but I haven't had a lot of practice against people my skill level yet. KOFXV is my first FG I've actually tried at outside of like getting bodied by my uncle at SC2 and Tekken 3 as a kid haha

[plush delta]

@grizzled heart your combos are hype. Way better than what I can do already. Don’t forget your movement options though like rolling running and super jumps (I can’t hop either). KoF is a fast game

[lament mirage]

A MONTH?!

@plush delta when I started kof I had two months of Strive in my back

Compare us real quick

[warm hollow]

And some change? I went to one Smash tournament and went 0-2 and never went back if you count that, but KOF is the first game I've "labbed"

[plush delta]

You are at a great pace already! When I started playing the game, I was really terrible one month in. It took me several months to do combos. 6 months to do QM

[warm hollow]

I'd say like a month of KOF consistently, maybe a little more, and like 2ish months of playing laggy Smash online. Other than that, just beating story modes for MK11 and Injustice and stuff

[plush delta]

You were doing auto combos one month in. Khrism is definitely in a more advance place one month in

[warm hollow]

I appreciate that a lot. I work from home and have a decent amount of time during the day I'm just waiting on software to load so I take my laptop on the couch and lab combos to kill time

[torn drift]

@lament mirage remember to try and not compare yourself we all start at different places and different paces

[plush delta]

That being said, your dedication to improving is incredible and you made a massive leap compared to your one month self

[grizzled heart]

100%, I keep trying to hop haha some times it works sometimes it doesn’t

[plush delta]

Nice labbing will definitely sharpen your skills but playing matches against people here will as well. It’s a balance of the 2. Duncan (rekka) can be a great training partner for you

[lament mirage]

I'm just curious

Honest

[grizzled heart]

Hop w/ Vanessa something I have to unlock

and all other characters

Iori needs to make a comeback

[warm hollow]

I'm so glad Smoke sent me this way because I had all the time to lab but not a ton of people to play with

[plush delta]

No one here trains harder than you. Maybe you and howl

[plush delta]

Yes for rushdown characters, hopping is essential. Which is why I avoid them. Iori needs it too. Kyo can just unga with 3D into upkicks. I suggest learning the light starter for it. Should be easy for you

[plush delta]

We definitely have a great group here who play every day and a lot of people here are closer to beginner or intermediate level. Glad you could join us!

[grizzled heart]

Yeah I’m tryna use all my buttons more, and implement some cross ups

I want to 50/50 more w/ Kyo after pressure

It’s fun

[lament mirage]

You see howl?

[grizzled heart]

Had built up to it before but after the break need to patch it back in more

[plush delta]

Have you played @rancid marlin ‘s kyo? He got the kyo mixups and combos down

[plush delta]

It’s a race between you 2

[grizzled heart]

yes!! He’s the one who shows me a lot of what I can really do!!

love playing him for that reason I learn a lot

I actually have gotten motivated to add more combos to my arsenal after he hits me w/ them haha

[plush delta]

Nice! Yeah when I see someone use something against me and it’s a character I use, I will definitely steal that tech

[torn drift]

When I’m not playing in studying bala dechimo and the angel goats

I wish I could play like them lol

[plush delta]

Kyo jB (I believe) is a nice crossup. Daru uses it all the time

[grizzled heart]

yes!

Was labbing it just need to go for it

[plush delta]

Definitely. For crossups just go for it. That’s what I do with Athena jB. Good time to do it also is after a hard knockdown

[grizzled heart]

Tech 😤🤝🤝🤝

[warped pine]

I don't trust "new to KOF" players anymore. I been burned too many times 🤣

[warm hollow]

I promise I'm new 😂 I just have a remote job with a lot of downtime and ADHD so if I fixate on something I go hard

[lament mirage]

Howl is definitely in the lead

And in points now too

[plush delta]

Looks like you gotta figure out the counter tech against the angel and the Mai

Shermie seems to struggle hard against the Mai zoning

[lament mirage]

Cuz I'm too scared of that Climax

That's the only time he doesn't do it from full screen

[plush delta]

You gotta stay on top of the mai. I believe the climax will miss if you’re right beside her

[grizzled heart]

Worth labbing that out

[lament mirage]

If I could get in in the first place

[grizzled heart]

Idk if howl is dumb enough to just climax right next to Cien tho he always does it from a distance

Big whiff punish type beat

I think the real tech is if you’re that worried abt the climax you should put him in situations where he has to burn the meter so by final match u don’t even have to worry abt that

My two cents

But yeah that’s the trouble…

He plays lame

So hard to make it in there

[lament mirage]

I play Oli

I know what playing lame is

[grizzled heart]

Then Win

[lament mirage]

Trust me

I'm trying

[grizzled heart]

or just bait the climax

[lament mirage]

Why do you think I was walking?

If I rolled then I would've ate it

Or jumped

[snow beacon]

I like this idea. Walking then short hop or neutral jump. I like your 214D idea

[lament mirage]

I'm trying to focus on countering one move rn

While still focusing on being denmcent everywhere else

So I don't get exploited

And then I get exploited by the j.C

[snow beacon]

It’s good to set a single goal like this, then move onto the next when you feel you can achieve the first one

[snow beacon]

Now you have 2 Asian dads … you’re lucky I’m the nice one

[lament mirage]

That's been my thing this whole time!

But

It's just so slow

You think a simple goal like this could be done in days, not weeks

[snow beacon]

Just keep at it.

[snow beacon]

Just my observation from earlier: I’d make aa’s one of the higher priorities, but idk your immediate goals. You’re overall game, combos, and execution are fine though. I see you being patient and not playing haphazardly.

[lament mirage]

Finally

Only took me 8 months

Almost

[obtuse dock]

@torn drift I need feedback from our matches if you don't mind

[torn drift]

Got you let me eat

[torn drift]

@obtuse dock couple of things

Your Clark aa conversions you weren’t doing them and I know you can I want to see them more often

Your Vanessa combo Enders until you’re comfy with the full thing just do the forward dash into 6a and end with c dp

You Andy does that weird arch thing that I believe is punishable in neutral be a little more careful with that

Who else did you play

[grizzled heart]

howl have u found a diff consistent ender for that Vanessa combo

I find sometimes when I do it and get to like a little less than near the corner it whiffs

Specifically the dash 6A

[torn drift]

Dash 6a c dp

[torn drift]

That’s my go to cop out

It also allows you to cancel to super

[grizzled heart]

yeah it’ll whiff if you’re in a weird screen position

If u convert off it from near corner (your back to it) and you don’t carry to the other side it’ll miss

prolly just end the combo after the ex dash if you’re doing the big one I guess

Doing C dp leaves u in a super good position

[torn drift]

Yeah but @obtuse dock you were Great at getting in with it

[plush delta]

Dash 6a needs to be in corner

[grizzled heart]

Thank you sir 🫡 you have the answers

Any better option in a non corner position then?

[torn drift]

No meter just do hcf punch

[plush delta]

What’s your combo? Hcf p is the common no corner ender

[torn drift]

Yup

[plush delta]

But Vanessa has really strong corner carry

[torn drift]

You can also ex hcf p and c dp super cancel

[grizzled heart]

yeah I do starter 6A hcfAC dash punch ex dash punch then corner dash 6A into C dp super cancel

So another hcf will do the job?

[torn drift]

I’m not sure if (4)6ac can cancel into hcf. But dp might

[grizzled heart]

will have to lab when I get home

[torn drift]

What’s that

[obtuse dock]

Ryo I believe

[torn drift]

Oh your ryo is too passive

Get on there a bit more

Go for low confirms

[obtuse dock]

Thank you, I already know these things but wanted to double check if I missed anything, tbf I was doing Clark aa with rait, I didn't have time to warm up my clark, just ryo and Andy before our match

[obtuse dock]

That is something I need to work on yeah

Im focusing on hopping in at the moment

[torn drift]

Yeah I figured you knew most of this just noting what I saw

You have really great potential but you nerf yourself like oli as you play more casual

[obtuse dock]

Which i believe I was doing somewhat consistent

[torn drift]

You’re definitely improving

[obtuse dock]

Irl doesn't let me do anything more than casual gaming at the moment

[torn drift]

It be like that

But you’re getting better already from what I’ve seen

[obtuse dock]

I agree my ryo is passive, actually my whole game plan is always more defensive if you can tell, I'm working on getting more offensive, don't let my opponent set the pace

[lament mirage]

Need to be less aggressive sometimes

Can we switch for a minute?

[obtuse dock]

Which arc thing? The arc kicks?

Yeah they are hella unsafe, I just do them to see if I can catch you with them

[torn drift]

Yeah

[obtuse dock]

Thanks for the feedback, I will focus on low confirms next time

Btw yesterday I felt your luong the strongest

And your Mai the most annoying lol

[plush delta]

He has a lame Leona as well

[obtuse dock]

"lame Leona" lol

[grizzled heart]

please don’t say that about her

[obtuse dock]

Only when howl uses her

[grizzled heart]

please respect her she doesn’t deserve that 😐

[torn drift]

Thanks Dunc

@obtuse dock sorry I was very catty yesterday

I was sad I missed my luong clímax and wanted to build meter

Also I’m learning to be annoying bee with mai

[torn drift]

I have the combo! My Leona is so cool

Not lame

[grizzled heart]

howl when he misses a climax

[torn drift]

https://tenor.com/view/my-disappointment-is-immeasurable-and-gif-20080022

That’s my whole purpose

Raw climaxes are the only reason you guys keep me around

[grizzled heart]

I love Review Brah

he’s so cool

[torn drift]

Sorry about being annoying Jack

Please

Forgive me

[obtuse dock]

Don't be, tbf I was the kid that only threw hadoukens and then shoryukens with Ryu on sf2, so I'm not one to judge

[obtuse dock]

You're always annoying

[torn drift]

True true

I try being more rushdown

But my angel only works full screen

I guess I like having room to dance with her unchain

It throws off my opponents

[obtuse dock]

Since I'm used to angel it's not a big issue for me, that's why I said your luong was better imo, but that doesn't mean you're angel was bad

[torn drift]

Thanks home

Homie

Imma test my Jenny and Yuri with you

Also you’re gonna be my nessa coach

I’ll do not mains next time

Bench angel

@plush delta I think I used cd on mai like 200 times between Jack and cien lol

[obtuse dock]

150 on me

[obtuse dock]

My Vanessa sucks but ok

[obtuse dock]

I always keep at least 1 main on my team

[torn drift]

I like learning new characters

Plus my angel is 100000 times better than any of my other characters

I think the next skill level for me is evening out my characters

I would’ve beaten bubs by now if my mai and third were better

[obtuse dock]

Can't say, haven't played bubs

[torn drift]

He sucks

[obtuse dock]

Why he beat you then

[torn drift]

I suck more

[obtuse dock]

Man, where does that put me then

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-riley-flynn-zach-gilford-midnight-mass-pensive-gif-23254966

[torn drift]

Above me

[obtuse dock]

Looking it upside down

[torn drift]

Oh

Damn bubs is the worse?

Makes sense

[lament mirage]

@plush delta you see me today?

[plush delta]

A bit

[lament mirage]

@runic rain if you can please review my vid and nitpick a bit

[grizzled heart]

@short herald my main Kyo bnb is starter 3D 236D D, command grab then Orochinagi. Orochinagi is honestly a super useful super to just throw out in combos because not only do u get good damage and corner carry, but you get a guranteed safejump off of wake-up reversals so you can make ur next mixup even more safe, I like this in the corner especially because the opponent is prolly feeling like ‼️‼️‼️‼️ because they just got carried over, if I can get a guaranteed confirm off of the mix I usually like to do his max damage 1 bar corner combo that Daru actualyl first showed me, it’s any starter 3D, 236D D, 236A, 236BD, 236C, 623AC

If you also get a hit with the heavy 236C rekka after the first half circle back you can QCF to get orochinagi and it’ll hit too!

[short herald]

Yeah, I actually started with these Orochinagi combos...I kind of stopped doing them, but you bringing them up reminds me to bring them back.

[grizzled heart]

If you’re near the corner as well you can mix w/ the QCFA, HCBD HCBD rekka and converting into 236BD to get a combo you can convert into the command grab or the 236C into DP any variant

And if you aren’t in the corner u can just do the normal QCFAx2 K rekka series and delay the K slightly and you’ll combo

Also very awesome corner carry

[grizzled heart]

My fav super

[short herald]

I need to study up on notation so I can communicate with you guys. 😆

[grizzled heart]

I hear u bro haha didn’t help that I switched mid talk because I forgot what the numbered Half circle notation is

@rancid marlin also has a really awesome Kyo as well

[short herald]

I'll be sure to play him

[warm hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/doug-maclean-doug-maclean-nhl-hockey-gif-26098496

Me just unga bunga shotos please

Jokes aside dude, speaking as someone who does not like rushdown, your Kyo is SPOOKY once he gets in

[short herald]

Oh man that's good to know. Getting in with Kyo is tough, so once you do there is so much pressure to make it pay off, right @grizzled heart ?

[grizzled heart]

I think it’s pretty easy to get in with him tbh imo

Even more so for u Danzo, u have the hops, I do not really

[short herald]

This is where you need to give me tech. lol

[grizzled heart]

Just play like you got that dawg in u 😤

[short herald]

lmao

[grizzled heart]

Show them…

MISETE YARU… KUSANAGI NO KOBUSHI WO!!!

[plush delta]

He has armored moves that allows him to get in. He has a nice crossup jump B, and his light confirms link to 3D to do his BnB upkick combos

Varying the rekkas will also make the opponent second guess themselves in how they block

[warm hollow]

Anyone with a free second able to write up like a 101 guide for dealing with grapplers? I feel like I'm slowly starting to visualize how to deal with certain characters, but I cannot avoid getting command grabbed to save my life

@plush delta like when you smashed me with Ramon and O.Yahsiro yesterday. I thought about it and I realized I have no idea where to even start figuring out how to defend against that

[plush delta]

They all have slightly different strategies but know that you can hop/jump when they try to command grab you

[plush delta]

I’ll write something longer when I have free time

[warm hollow]

No rush whatsoever. Like I said I'm just looking for an entry level 101 overview. Seems like it's more anticipating the grab and getting in the air. I'm not very good at reacting that way yet

[plush delta]

Yeah for sure! Reacting and anticipating the grabs is definitely key